How do I make a villain that violently embraces the virtues

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>>52694315
......god dammit

>>52694315

Why does Emps look like Nick Cage in that picture?

>>52694497
I don't know but now I can't unsee it.

>>52694274
Just make him CS Lewis with the power to actually act on his philosophy instead of just writing fantasy with it. Alternatively, mix the two and have him be trying to remake the world in the image of said philosophy/fantasy world.

>>52694274
The Egg of Coot

>>52694504
>>52694497
Now you know too much...

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>>52694497
Who do you think Nick Cage is?

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>>52694274
Someone that literally cannot understand what it means to be told "No"

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>>52694588
Alternate picture

>>52694274
All villains are childish, they put their own wants and desires above the needs and rights of others, an extremely childish behavior.

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>>52694600
I mean for a world leader that's arguably a good trait to have in certain situations.

>>52694666
A good leader knows when to hold their ground and not be told no, and when they are fucking it up and need to be reined in.

Wisdom yo, not a dump stat. (this is implying the childish form of hardheadedness, unwavering faith in your own opinion is a childish and frankly stupid trait that needs to be cleansed.)

>>52694666
You have three to eight years to wax apologia, just wait.

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>>52694663
This. Villains are selfish children, good guys think of the greater good like smart adults.

>>52694274
What are the virtues of childhood?

>>52694894
I think greater good people are childish too, for exactly the same reasons (your wants don't overwrite my needs/rights).

Being an adult is not violating someone else rights or letting your wants (and fears, passion, stupidity, training, racism, prejudice, history, heritage) control your actions (and accepting that you shouldn't behave like an asshat)

Adulthood is cooperating and finding a solution. Not forcing what you think is the right thing to do.

It's also standing up to those who are childish.

>>52694946
Innocence, lack of accountability (modern society), potential and understandable stupidity.

more like advantages than anything.

>>52694979
But anon, how can you claim to be good if you allow people to be bad?

>>52694666
Holy shit I thought my ass would be on fire for that one.

>>52694779
You get it, and I'm glad.

>>52695055
Because if they are free game when they violate the bounds of good.

I allow people to choose for themselves, not for other people. If your actions violate the rights and needs of *another* human being, then i'll persecute you in the name of justice.

Ie; You can do drugs all you want, but don't force someone to do them with you. YIf someone is beating on someone else, it's you duty as good to stop the fight and prevent any more hostility. If someone is violating someone else's basic rights as a hman being (not to be killed, mistreated, forced into anything ETC), then they've waved their own rights to humanship and should be cleansed. Or rehabilitated. really depends.

I never said i was good, i implied i was right (good and evil being subjective concepts and not objective, i will, until evidence is provided else wise, that the ultimate evil is forcing another human, or human-intellect, into something against their will. Fullstop.)

>>52695056
It's pretty simple to see that working with people in a cooperative and equitable manor will make your endeavors significantly more successful than if you are antagonistic and a douchewaffle. Nothing to it.

>>52695191
>I allow

Who decided that you get to decide for everyone?

>>52695226
who says you get to decide else wise?

Seriously, think about it. the only times i'll step in is when someone is being an asshole to someone else. That's it.

I'm pretty sure i'm in the right to do so.

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>>52695254
>>52695226
For a more succinct way of putting it;

Im a martial pacifist who suffers no suffering. Mine. Yours. That kid there's. None.

>>52695275
Got it on the head.

>>52695191
>I never said i was good

If you're not good, how is someone bad? How do you define a "villain" then?

>>52695254
Who asked you to step in? What rules are your working on when being an asshole is against them? Who or what gives you the rights to step on other people's rights?

>>52695191
>Nothing to it.
No, it's just that people get triggered whenever Trump comes up. ESPECIALLY if you try to break the illusion of a straight black-and-white situation. I.E., "that trait of his which you hate is occasionally a benefit."

>>52695288
>suffers no suffering

And what are you gonna do about it? Start taking care of everyone?

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>>52694666

I'm not sure I agree, Satan. Particularly in the American system of government, being able to accept when one of your ideas just isn't in the cards and compromising and making deals as needed is a key skill to have. One of the smartest things Reagan ever said was that it's better to get 80% of what you want than to go over a cliff with your flag flying.

A good leader does need to stand their ground in certain situations, but it's much more important to know when it's important to hold fast and when you should compromise or concede a point and move forward. Otherwise you end up ruining everything because you constantly find yourself in a battle to the death about every little thing.

Even if you're the boss, not everything is gonna go your way. If you can't handle that you're not gonna do a good job.

>>52695318
No, but he can damn well TRY can't he? What's wrong with that?

At the risk of sounding cheesier than a German dinner, I earnestly feel like I love everyone. Every time I see someone sad, or upset, or angry, I just want to comfort them and make them feel better. I'd do anything to make the world better as a whole.

>>52695006
Those things aren't even virtues. Closest one would be innocence, but I have a hard time seeing that in a villain.

>>52695327
>Satan
No, devil's advocate.
Never said I liked the guy, and the key in there was
>certain situations

>>52695288
>Im a martial pacifist
Wot?

>>52695384
It's not 2020-2024 yet, you don't need to justify yourself before the House of Unintelligent Activities yet. Settle down.

>>52695300
A villan is someone who does wrong. Simple as that, i think the most wrong thing you can do (as in bad/evil/thisisprettysimpletogetwhatthefuck) is to value your WANTS over someone elses NEEDS and RIGHTS. I also think being an asshole is evil. so there ya go.

I asked me to. Because i think it'
s the right thing to do. Because it lessens suffering.

>>52695318
It's the duty of the strong to serve the weak and give them their strength so that all may be standing at the same basic (and livable) level.

So yeah, i do take care of everyone i can.

>>52695300
As useful as his traits are sometimes, the negative OUTMOTHERFUCKINGWIEGH the positives. So really, yeah it's obvious he's a shitty POTUS and the republicans really only know how to skip leg day.

>>52695387
I don't initiate fights, but i'm probably the most trained person in the room (3 years kravmaga, 5 years mui tai, studied the basics of most founding martials, and spent a good amount of time in the military) and i won't attack r harm someone unless they've harmed or attacked someone else.

I NEVER show hostility first, and i WILL step in if i see violence being committed.

>>52695401
>House of Unintelligent Activities
Kek.

Really though, I'm not trying to justify myself and I'm not worked up. Just wanted to point that shit out is all.

>>52695426
>Muay Tai

Fuck spelling.

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>>52695354
>No, but he can damn well TRY can't he? What's wrong with that?

Point is he's not GOING to try. He's doing to say that he cares, but then act in complete contradiction of that statement. Such as by deciding that it's more important for him to troll /tg/ than to help starving children in africa or whatever. Even if he was in africa right now just taking a break from starving children he'd still be failing to live up to his ideals except to a degree. But when you introduce degrees than all of a sudden anyone can say anything they feel like about anything. Oh yeah, I TRY to be good, but sometimes I may rape a bitch. That's fine though because I TRY not to and that's my moral code. Yeah, fuck off buddy. Why not try constructing a moral code that actually works in reality instead of one that exists just to make you feel good about yourself huh?

But to be fair, this is the case for most moral positions people adopt.

>>52695384

I agree, in certain situations. The problem is when it seems to be "hold fast and never back down" in EVERY situation, which is unfortunately where I feel we are at right now and is not, in my view, a healthy stance to take.

Gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em, as they say. If you hold 'em all the time you're just gonna lose a lot of money and time you didn't have to.

>>52695442
i believe in the excess of moderation as The Way To Be.

Take Michael from The Office and give him a mean streak.

>>52695426
>A villan is someone who does wrong.

Who decides right and wrong?

>your WANTS over someone elses NEEDS and RIGHTS

What if your want to be the hero comes on other people's needs and rights?

>I also think being an asshole is evil.

What if they're only being an asshole to someone who slept with their wife?

>duty of the strong to serve the weak

Could you get me a beer? I'm too weak to weak to get it myself and no one else wants to. I need that beer and surely I have the right to it, I paid for it.

>>52695426
Needs =/= Rights

Therefore,
>Wants > Needs
Is a legitimate option for Good/Neutral characters.

>>52695511
Gotta love it when people fling straw at you like it's a brick.

So your argument is?

i'm sorry, but every point you tried to make skewers itself, has been answered in the previous diction, and if it hasn't is easy to extrapolate.

There is also a massive divide between what we believe are rights, wants, and needs. Which, i'm sure, you'll be childish about (judging by your current line of questioning, it's clear that you are making weak arguments in order to goad me.)

so quick fire
Right and Wrong? I told you, the individual. It's up to other indviduals to help an indivisual to find what is right and what is wrong, but i general say that 'Causing suffering is wrong'

>Hero
Then your an asshole? but that implies that needs and rights aren't settled, or universal, which i believe they are in a simplistic manor.

>Wife
Still being an asshole. Just because you've been wronged doesn't mean you get to wrong another. My argument is intervention and rehabilitation, not vengeance. (ie; Never start a situation, only end it as peacefully as possible and find an alternative solution to the problem that's been had. Looking past a past wrong is part of adulthood.)

>Stong/weak
I ask this then, where, in any of what i have said, did i state that i am willing to suffer being taken advantage of? You, presumably, have the capability to perform the action yourself. if not then i'll help, if so, then you NEED assistance and hey, i'll help. otherwise you're being a dick.

>>52695576
As much as they are separate, it's important to understand that only evil disregards the rights of an individual in order to get what they want, hence it's in the same plateau of importance as needs.

>>52695698
>it's clear that you are making weak arguments in order to goad me

No, I'm trying to understand your personal principles deeper than on some lawful stupid "don't do bad things, only do good things, m'kay?" level. Because that's a very simplistic view and I don't want to assume you're of simple mind.

>Just because you've been wronged doesn't mean you get to wrong another.

Then how does this moral system work, when you can't be an asshole, but no one can stop you because that'd make them the asshole?

>find an alternative solution to the problem that's been had

How you plan on unfucking my wife?

>what i have said, did i state that i am willing to suffer being taken advantage of

Unless you got lie detector to make sure everyone's being honest about their their suffering and their inability to do anything to help it, then you're gonna get taken advantage of.

>only evil disregards the rights of an individual in order to get what they want

Must be shitty being a cop, when you want justice, but you can't arrest or put anyone in jail, because that would disregard their individual rights. Sure, they might have robbed someone, but what rights does the cop have to be an asshole just because someone else was an asshole?

>>52695698
Good need not respect the rights of others to acquire their desires.

That would assume rights are both inalienable and necessarily impartial or virtuous. However rights are by nature simply fundamental normative rules of freedom and entitlement as set forth by legal/social/ethical principles of the society in which they function. This in turn also being subject to temporal and cultural shifts. Never mind the interference of graded absolutism, negative or positive rights, etc.

Respect to the concept of rights is far more accurately prescribed to a lawful concept than good or evil.

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>>52695401
>makes HoUA joke about republicans
>while democratic party burns itself down in neo-mccarthyism

uhh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUyuKicalyw

>>52695863
>understanding
That's fair, and i know you view it as simplistic, but tht's the point. It is a simple mindset, set forth by someone who honestly believes that's the RIGHT way to act, and as a rational being, hasn't come across an argument that sufficient refutes it. I genuinely apologize for a dick about it, i'm use to... different behaviors and am not perfect in my own execution.

>Asshole
No one should be an asshole in the first place, root of problem. It's when you CHOOSE to be an asshole that i'll have to use the strength i have.
>Wife
How do you plan to go about being an adult? the problem isn't the person fucking the wife (unless it was rape, which falls under guy being an asshole) it's the wife not holding herself to the standard she set before herself. You don't possess the weife, she gets to decide to be an asshole, if she she is, it's you right to not deal with her. You get to choose how you respond to things, my morality say 'don't choose to be an asshole'. simple.

>advantage of
I'd rather be wrong about everyone being good, than right about everyone being not. I don't deal with you if you have a history of taking advantage of people (in fact i might have punched you for it), and if you take advantage of me, i will make it a point to ensure you don't deal with the things i've touched. Until you've shown you won't be an asshole. Also, i make it a point to take in a person as they are presenting in front of me, if they happen to be something else i tend to cut ties.
>rights
Remember what i said, i feel human beings have rights, and when you CHOOSE to step on someone else's rights and needs, you throw out your right to those same protections (that being said, your needs should still be met for this to be ultimate good). Ex; a cop shouldn't punish someone for a crime they haven't committed yet. Once a crime is committed, then it's thier duty to intervene and attempt rehabilitation. That's pretty much it.

>>52695870
and for u;
I do agree. But if your desire is the suffering of others, it's your duty to understand that it's unfeasible and detrimental to the people around you, you want becomes an invalid in this regard. As long as your wants and desires don't cause suffering (unwanted interaction etc) then i don't give a fuck. Just don't hurt people to get what you want, find a better way, and work for the betterment of all.

Not that anon, but:

>>52696157
>I don't deal with you if you have a history of taking advantage of people (in fact i might have punched you for it)
Except...
>>52695698
>Just because you've been wronged doesn't mean you get to wrong another. My argument is intervention and rehabilitation, not vengeance. (ie; Never start a situation, only end it as peacefully as possible and find an alternative solution to the problem that's been had. Looking past a past wrong is part of adulthood.)

I could be wrong here, but I feel like you don't know how to fight, and you're just trying to take the highest moral ground you can think of.

>>52696171
>>52696157
to add;
I don't like or want to hurt people, but as someone with a lot of strengths and privelages (i'm a 6'2" white male 190 lbs martial artist, so much privilege) i recognize the advantage and power i have. So i decided to explore what the best use of that power would be, and it's giving to those without.

>>52696251
The latter part is correct, however in the former; i served in the Canadian armed forces for 3 years, have extensive martial experience, and am not afraid of pain (it still sucks, but meh).

Precisely put; I want to find the highest moral ground and bring everyone else up here, so that we can all stop being dicks to each other and i don't have to punch another person.

>>52696284
You're ignoring the moral fallacy of "I'll punch you, but you should never use violence or vengeance on another person."

Basically, "It's only okay when I do it, because my morals are better than yours."

You want the best for humanity, I get it. So do I, and so do most people. But that doesn't mean your particular way of going about it is better or more justified. In fact, many places in the world would kill you because they thought your ideals were evil and abhorent. Who's to say THEY aren't the correct ones?

>>52695439
yikes

>>52696356
note how i've phrased it;

it's not 'i'll use violence, but you should never'

it's: 'No one should use violence, but if met with violence i am prepare to use the same level you will in order to ensure survival'

I guess the... ugh superiority (such a tainted word)? comes from seeing the effects and learning from mistakes.

I didn't come to this behavior pattern in a vacuum, i looked, weighed, and spent a long time comparing behaviors to come up with the way i behave. I'm a rational person, if there was a way to increase the general good i'd do it, this (an preaching these ideals) is the closest i've come to find a way to peace.

I might be wrong, but i do encourage discourse in order to find out what is right. I just won't accept any kind of actual suffering as an aspect of good as i have found it's wrong to behave in such a manor, which means i tend to be paladin-y when i get excited.

As a note, i havn't told a single untrue thing, this is how i am, it makes me kind, loved and loving, and generally accepted into groups despite my overwhelming weirdness. I feel like a good person, and my rational side knows what i do it a better thing.

However;
I don't the best for humanity, i want better.

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>>52695191
What are your thoughts on taxation

>>52696516
You do seem pretty paladin-y from all this (not that that's bad). But you still equated "taking advantage of people" with "punch them". Maybe you meant taking advantage in the physical sense, and if so, fine. It just seemed to me as though it was an emotional "I will punch you, evil-doer!" instead of "I will do to you what you did to others".

Even then... what's the saying? "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"? Be careful what you say and be sure to keep
>intervention and rehabilitation
in front of punching people.

Holy shit this thread has some weapons-grade autism

>>52696597
>autism
Has no meaning anymore.

>>52696516
I'm also writing quickly and proofreading very little, noticing bad word use, survival should be a different word.

>>52696534
Bait swallowed, because it's actually important;
Rent for living in the country (roads, water, air etc), if you think you shouldn't be taxed, you're a fuckwad. Doesn't violate a single basic right, which we've yet to establish in this discourse. so i will, food, shelter, safety, freedom to do what you choose as long as it doesn't step on someone else's rights, and the right to do what you want to yourself (and what needs your body to survive). those are your rights as a human in my opinion.

Also, duty of the strong to support the weak, the people making the most money should be taxed more, because their strength will be added to collective strength. No need for personal wealth when everything is equitable.

Business isn't people, never, ever, make that how you think, because it's well, not going to help anyone besides the business.

>>52696589
I think violence should be stopped with words first, firsts second.

It's more 'ima punch you if you don't stop 'punching' others'

>Even then... what's the saying? "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"? Be careful what you say and be sure to keep
>>intervention and rehabilitation
>in front of punching people.

Anon, that's what being a good paladin is about.

>>52696597
it's interesting conversation. Also autism (so much autism on my part)

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>>52696636
But taxation is taking something against someone's will with force, and thus
>If someone is violating someone else's basic rights as a hman being (not to be killed, mistreated, forced into anything ETC), then they've waved their own rights to humanship and should be cleansed.

>>52696679
>extremism is always the best answer to everything
The opposite of middle-of-the-road syndrome is not the solution to it.

>>52696679
(I'm not the paladin guy) Now you're implying the government taxing their citizens forces them to stay there.

>>52696636
>duty of the strong to support the weak, the people making the most money should be taxed more
If you have to pay more taxes, what's the point? If I had to pay even MORE taxes I wouldn't be running my business right now. Tax is supposed to be the same for everyone, that's the point of it. Duty should not be assigned, it is chosen, otherwise it is a job and loses meaning. When you start telling people where their morals are you begin to infringe on their basic human right of freedom.

The quote was meant to represent that I was aware of your stance on violence only after words, I'm sorry for the confusion. I probably could have worded it better but I am tired and should probably go to bed right now.

>>52695354
How do you people do that?
Whenever I see someone put bottles on a conveyor the wrong way I feel nothing but contempt for humanity as a whole.

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>>52696713
>The opposite of middle-of-the-road syndrome
>road

>>52696722
I am only saying that, according to the paladin, all taxation is inherently illegitimate

>>52696722
You mean in the country?

>>52696679
Nations aren't people bro.

I'm about personal behavior; the rent you pay for operating in a country and community is taxation, but currency itself is a violation of all forms of human rights, so... your half made argument (straw man) is moot,ineffectual and unimportant.

Seriously.

>>52696725
Money is the problem, not taxation. Look at the root of problems, not the symptoms and things become simpler. Our focus and adoration to ideal of currency (and it's use) is helping assholes take advantage of others. I'm sure if taxes were higher, operating costs would drop (in the ideal, since the world isn't we need paladins) as the cost of using and maintaining infrastructure would be covered, people would spend more (it's a weird effect, when there is more money properly being used by the government, and a focus on employee power, you get this effect where people are spending money and making money at about the same rate for basic needs, and luxuries are saved for. the usa before regan. ie; decent minimum wage, henceforth called livable wage, high taxes on the rich and a lot of public spending)

Tax is about spreading strength, one guys makes a million bucks (or million powers or whatever) it's his responsibility to support those that can't.

As much as i respect the right to freedom and choice, i also must respect a specific aspect of the problem. What is the point in obtaining power/material/money?

To have more than what you need. The act of desiring more (and i choose that word on purpose) than what you need is an inherently violent action in my views.

Hopefully that makes you understand why i say it's the duty of the strong to support and serve the weak.

>>52696797
I think money is inherently illegitimate, but we can't all operate at that level. Assholes who take too much should taxed yo, in the system that currency creates, taxation is a form of good/way of taking back what is being inequitably distributed.

>>52696171
>work for the betterment of all.
This is antithetical to nature. Biological imperative implies that one should do quite the opposite. Rather, one should work to attain the most resources for themselves/their spawn. Hurting others is simply a method of achieving said goals, and need not be morally constrained to good or evil.

>>52696722
>You don't HAVE to stay there!
>oh btw there is literally no place on earth not claimed by a country :^)

You and paladin guy both should think a little harder about states

The state supports you and expects servitude in return. But it's not like you had a choice in this, or like the state is anything but an ancient institution of people who maintain a monopoly on violence.
Like this guy
>>52696636
>Business isn't people, never, ever, make that how you think, because it's well, not going to help anyone besides the business.

You support the 'country' but not business. What exactly makes you think 'the state' is people but 'business' isn't? The State isn't providing that food, shelter, etc as rights, it's extending them as a privilege to those who serve it. Much like a business.

You don't have to go full ancapball but you haven't really considered the amoral reality of the state I think.

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Does this guy count?

>>52696866
>one guys makes a million bucks (or million powers or whatever) it's his responsibility to support those that can't.
No it is not, that is a subjective idealized claim. An individual is under no obligation to share the fruits of their success. One could even argue that this is counter intuitive as it limits the individuals potential influence upon the world around them and the ability to pass on success to their offspring. Furthermore, this train of thoughts infringes on the individual's personal autonomy by placing constraints on their ability to reap the rewards of their gifts.

>>52696797
>>52696866
Oh and in case there is any ambiguity, needs trump rights.

Every time (need to life trumps the right to yours if you are trying to take mine, as an example of the idea)

>>52696797
to riff further, you right to what you create is out weighed by others need for what you've taken as profit. So i ask why shouldnt you give away what is extra to those that need it? why shouldn't you bring people up to your level of prosperity?

Taxes help with that.

>>52696888
You are looking at unnatural text, on an unnatural screen.

Fuck off.

>>52696942
>>52696900
And we can do better than this way of thinking.

It's so old, and outdated, and no longer necessary.

We are constently improving, so why give into evil, why not spread love?

It's the duty of the strong because they got lucky. Because the universe gave something to them, and we are past the need for tribal douchbaggery.

you aren't keeping your needs met when you buy a bigger car, and you can help another meet their if you give up a small amount. why wouldn't you?

Basically, you're an asshole if you think your gift makes you more important than anyone other person.

>>52696888
Natural state for humans is living in a tight knit society of 200 where you share all resources.
There's no "u" in "tribe"

>>52696993
Only a fool thinks he can solve the world's problems.

>>52696888
Hey, just so you know, paladin guy here, i think humans are better than nature.

Like in the 'we can do better than what nature says we should do'.

Since we do, every day. So thinking like you do, makes you an asshole (and i'd probably punch you if you insisted on acting 'natural' and raping someone or similar)

I also don't believe the natural order of things is the RIGHT way of doing things, just what was being done before we smarted up.

>>52697020
And only a miserable fool thinks -we- shouldn't try

>>52695332
Get back in your fucking Wheelchair.

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>>52696993
>It's the duty of the strong because they got lucky. Because the universe gave something to them, and we are past the need for tribal douchbaggery.

You know why we have tribal duchebaggery? Because the groups that didn't have it were wiped out by the ones that did, every single time. If you think we're past it then all you're doing is setting yourself - and your group - to be destroyed by one of the many groups that conform their beliefs to reality rather than the imaginary dreamworld that exists only in their heads.

The irony should be obvious. By having the most compassionate people attempt to move beyond tribalism, the world becomes LESS compassionate as they destroy themselves by failing to practice sufficient self-preservation. But of course the goal isn't actually to make the world a better place, is it? It's to FEEL like you are.

>>52697030
Actually trying is the path to being a miserable fool. Did you know self-delusion strongly correlates with happiness? Apparently being blind to ones own weaknesses makes people happy. Who knew, right?

Pretending you're trying is the way to actually do it.

>>52697259
That's just different side to fence i suppose, it's still a shitty one though. Sounds like you gave up.

I believe, wholeheartedly, that we've past the need for tribalism and those that are enforcing it are assholes. When we remove the mentality entirely from the human lexicon, then utopia will be achieved. It's why i stand by my position, it's better to hope and work towards the better future, than to be afraid and settle for a workable one.

I'm kinda dumb like that.

Being blind to your own weaknesses hurts other people, i'd rather be trying desperately and working towards no body hurting no one, than to be stuck in the mentality of hurting people, and to be perpetuating the shitty mindset. I'm not delusional, i know what i preach is something i will never see. But my kids might, and theirs and theirs.

Fallacy in your argument; the fact that those who want to force their world view are universally more powerful than those who work together. I never said lay down arms, or never fight to protect yourself, i just said behaving in a tribalistic manor is EXTREMELY detrimental in the long term.

It's how nukes are a thing.

(also never stated that we should do away with different thinking, i simply stated the closest thing to what i believe the RIGHT way to act is, if you choose else wise and violate my morality in front of me, i probably will punch you. I honestly do think people need to have more respect and understand for each other, and to take a moment and go 'shit this'll hurt a human being' and accept that action as a bad one. and that i don't tolerate bad behaviour in my presence because i'm doing what i can to do the right thing regardless of how it hurts me or effects me. I'd rather die than do something evil, per se.)

>>52697462
In the end the argument is 'we are better than being shitty, and we as human beings can find a way to not be shitty if we actually tried'

Just because something is natural, doesn't mean it's right, and just because you're a shitty person, doesn't mean we all are/have to be.

To be so delusion filled to think that the overriding mentality of humanity should be 'fuck em, they aren't us'. But hey, wanting to maintain power often deludes you into thinking you can keep it by being shitty.

It shows that you are not only weak, but unnecessary. The strong do the hard stuff, and tough through it, only the weak accept things being shitty.

Paladin-anon has to go to work now, but it was neat seeing a different side to it. Just don't be shitty to people around you, and don't tolerate shittyness, and the world WILL be a better place for it.

>>52696636
>you have the right to food and shelter
That's a right that depends on society being functional, and until society can function without the labor of men it's a right we have to earn. Nature puts those requirements on us and it falls to society of individuals to take care of those less fortunate: there's no virtue in forcing charity at gunpoint.

>>52697030
I'm going to tell you a story you probably already know. In south Vietnam, when there were Buddhist monks who burned themselves alive without flinching, calm as they sacrificed themselves with the hope that maybe, just maybe their deaths would lead to an end of the Diem's persecution of Buddhists and make the world a better place. This added to the poor view of Diem, and he was assassinated in a coup that ended with the collapse of the Republic of Vietnam after US relations soured. The horrors of communism did not end the persecution of Buddhists, and the deaths in the reeducation camps and killings that followed left an already suffering populace even more devastated. The domino theory proved not to be fallacious as more nations around fell to even more violent regimes. Those monks, through foolish idealism contributed in their way to yet more suffering in the world. Your ideals are no different. There is no Shangri-la outside your heart. Your ideals are above this world and cannot be of it. You cannot hope to carry the burden of the whole world's suffering on your shoulders alone, to pull each and every fool into awareness of the value of his fellow man. There are higher and lower natures, some quick to understand, and some slow to understand, so slow it would take lifetimes. Try as you must, but don't expect anything good to come of it.

>>52694274
They constantly whine about being called 'immature' and 'not grown up enough'. They're constantly quoting the OP quote - in fact, it's the only Lewis quote they know.
Y'know, basically, your average geek giving you a lecture on why things should never be 'dark'.

>>52695384
>No, devil's advocate.
Nice try, but we all saw your original trips.

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>>52694274
The previous villain had more complex motivations. Weird ones, but whatever. This guy doesn't care about them, he just knows you killed his brother and now he's going to wreck you and everything you care about. It's a superpowered temper tantrum, you will never calm him down, and nothing about what he's saying is incorrect; tailor the quantity and timing of the collateral damage to ensure that the PCs start at "we would be doing the same in his position" and then get taken to "this guy needs to be stopped RIGHT NOW".

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>>52694497
>Emperor running through the Palace of Terra shouting I'M A VAMPIRE

>>52697639
So what you are saying is the monks choose the wrong path to being better?

I mean they did the right thing in trying but the wrong way which was dumb, (seriously pisses me off they wasted their life like that), but to not try because you are afraid is even dumber.

the choose to do what was wrong, they didn't stand in between violence, and committed violence against themselves hoping it would work.

Those monks are disgusting and violated my morality, but that doesn't mean we as a people shouldn't try to do better, a failure on the way teaches what not to do (the actions, not mindset)

So your point is moot, people make mistakes, but that doesn't invalidate trying to do better, it only enforces it.

>>52695442

When you have your hands on the gun and wave it at everyone menacingly, chances are they're going to grab it when you let your guard down and shoot you back because the moment prior you were waving it at them, assuming that they don't have one of their own. It is lost on most people that they never had to pick it up in the first place, but once they do, there's no setting it down.

>>52695511

>Who decides right and wrong

The common law, something developed over the course of a thousand years through trial and error. Is it perfect? Much like Democracy, America, and the F-35, no, but it's currently shown to be the most successful system placed in use. More directly, the people decide what is right and wrong democratically through enacting and repealing laws as needed, setting the morality of a particular society.

>>52697774
You get it.

>>52694274
Make him a pedophile

>96 posts in
>no peter pan

>>52697639
Paladin anon back for one more.

I will still fight for the right thing, because if i lose, i'm dead, if i win, everyone benefits. including my enemies if they happen to be alive.

Fighting for good is a really really really hard thing to do, and not everyone sees it as a burden to work towards it regardless of their own (i sure as fuck don't). I know everyone isn't the same, i know everyone values things differently.

I still want to improve on the world i love so much, so that the people i love don't have to suffer. And that's everyone. Even you Anon. The paladin loves you man.

>>52697774
>The common law

But the law also allows suffering. It allows acting against the needs and rights of others. It allows you to be an asshole.

>>52698105
Hence the whole 'trial and error' thing.

>>52698124
I'm not comfortable with anon going around enforcing the law personally by trial and error. And he didn't seem like he was talking about the law when he was talking about right and wrong.

>>52694663
Wouldn't that be more animalistic than anything?

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>>52697941
Even if men were good to each other, Nature would endeavor to destroy them. Usurp Her, and the Cosmos intervenes. Overcome that, and Time, the invincible foe, makes himself known.

You can't save anyone.

>>52695950
>>52695434
>>52695401

Guys, it's HUAC. House Unamerican Activities Committee. Or in this case House Unintelligent Activities Committee.

>>52694334
Nice.

>>52697941
Anon, I have to thank you for bringing to me the image of Christ kissing a grand inquisitor. You must know that those men who died loved as well: they loved their fellows so they died for them. If you lose, you're dead but we must live with it. If your love causes us suffering because it asked so much, is it good?

>>52697757
Had they not tried, had they been still, perhaps fewer would have died, but you're right to think that would not be a good in itself either for them have to done nothing. Had they done that, they still would have been committing a kind of violence against themselves, purposefully enduring persecution in silence: that was almost inescapable. There is little difference between killing yourself and making an enemy kill you, save that in the first only one man bears the guilt: both can be done with the same intentions. They stood up to an evil as made sense to them just as you would do so in your own way, and the result has very little to do with the specific method: their message got out of their hands and yours can too. Violence is the foundation of the orders of this world, and even economic violence or more quiet forms of violence against the self are often louder to the masses than the teachings of great men. It's not fear which should stay your hand, but mindfulness. All the good intentions in the world can't help you if you're mistaken about the consequences of your actions, if your ideas are actually horrible for society, if your efforts to give the world happiness only ruin things more, all your idealism has been wasted. Society cannot force men to be strong and good any more than threats of force can ensure genuine peace.

>>52694274
Everything becomes a cornfield.

>>52699694
Paladin anon back.

I appreciate it, I suppose? the point I'm trying to make is my goal is the cessation of violence, in all forms, even my own. I made the rules I've made because I don't wish to take life. Military taught me that. The first step in any interaction where I'm witnessing violence is to ask them to stop.

In all honesty, I am a psychopath. Like doctor diagnosed, how I got out of the military, full blown rational/lackthefucktocareaboutshitidontlike. Add in an allergy to antipsychotics and you get having to learn to cope so people don't put you in a pen. I had to learn to care about other people, and found that the most rational way to, within the law of the land (easing this >>52698141 anons fears), was to be the best abd goodest person I can be. While maintaining the ideal of ultimate (not objective) good as an overall header.

I view this as 'everybody gets to live as they choose to, as long as they don't hinder someone else's ability to do so'. Killing someone? Against this ideal. Stealing? Same shit. Taking advantage of/forcing someone into labour they don't wanna do(labour defined as an action or series of actions that take up time that could be spent elsewhere)? Pattern.

I also enjoy hurting people, but choose not to because of obvious conflicts. So I set rules, simple clear rules, that I tell everyone I interact with. If you feel this is to come to blows, I'll match you, and cause only wounds. If you don't back off after suffering damage, I'll mame you good and proper. And I'll remind you of this fact when you attack me again, I'll be you choice. If you want to kill me, show clear-cut hostile intent, only one of gets to walk away breathing and my money will always be on me. But the first step is to try and talk it out, you have to choose to try and murk me.

This keeps me from enjoying myself, but makes me good, so different enjoyment, different pay.
1/2

>>52700190
Martial pacifist bloodknight paladin.

I don't cause suffering, I end it when you choose to continue it, and I get to enjoy myself when I do so.

Saying this knowing full well how edgelord I sound, but hey I also hate lying and traitors, and in all things considered, I don't hate myself.

(Those monks should have endeavoured for a third option, but I was raised on video games and solution based thinking so I dunno choosing to die without fighting is reprehensible to me. But the assholes in that situation was the government bent on eradication, and I know the other half where asshole extremists did stuff, and there isn't black and white bull shit. Past is past, it matters what you are doing right now, and if you are working toward peace and life for both sides. Tradition is code for stupid training, and the 'altright' can eat several bags of colourful dicks. Both embrace suffering as the status quo and truly disgust me. Same goes for the left hat does the same thing. Suffering is suffering, what you are doing is what you are doing and what you've done is done. Don't cause more suffering, don't get the smite. I also write a lot and use /tg/ as my main mode of social when I'm on call for work, so I tend to babble. I do have friends outside of here, but I don't see them when I work and I get chatboxy. Also explain myself too much, but why comes with the territory.)

>>52694274
>violently embraces the virtues of childhood?

What deos that even mean.

>>52696780
It's not something you DO it's just how you are.

>>52696866
>I'm sure if taxes were higher, operating costs would drop
HA!
No.
In the real world, you push out the small businesses who can't afford the higher tax and those who CAN just gain a larger monopoly on the market. It was hard enough starting a business in an economy full of insane tax advantages and breaks, that would fucking murder my (nicely profitable) business in a snap.
>one guy makes a million bucks it's his responsibility to support those that can't
No, it's his REWARD for working hard. If everyone is taken care of equally and the wealth is shared, what's the point of working any harder? Why spend your entire life trying to "make it" if there's not a whole lot to gain at the end?
Humans, by base nature and instinct, desire more. Are you telling me that every single animal and human in all of history was being violent about their materials? No, they were trying to survive, to thrive. If you take that goal away, everything is meaningless. This is why communism fails literally every time it is put in place, and spectacularly at that.
>I think money is inherently illegitimate
What IS legitimate then?

>>52696958
Why shouldn't I be able to reap the rewards of my labor just because some one is lazy or unlucky?

>>52696969
There is a difference between something we ourselves create and something that is a base of reality and biology. And you could even argue that the text and screen is natural anyway, because it was made by something natural from natural things - a form of evolution.

>>52697022
Rape isn't natural, it goes against the social contract. And no, biology is not something you can simply "overcome", it's how you are. If it's something you can transcend, why am I (as a woman) not stronger than my father, even though I really want to be?

>>52697462
We evolved tribalism because that's what works best. Society is based off of tribalism. It is an ingrained part of our minds and psyches, it's not just something you can "remove". I wish it was, believe me, but this is not something that can ever be done unless we decide to kill everyone who doesn't agree, and keep killing them.

>>52697694
OH WHAT
I didn't even realize that.
Kek delivered.

>>52697462
>behaving in a tribalistic manor is EXTREMELY detrimental in the long term

Quite the opposite actually. Ethnocentrism is the most successful strategy in evolutionary dynamics.

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>>52697774
>the common law
That changes depending on where in the world you are.
For example, in lots of places in the middle east it's common law to throw a homosexual off of a building. Should we take that to mean killing gays is good? Or that mutitlating women is the way to go? Who decides which place's common law is the "true" or "best" common law?

>>52697941
>And that's everyone. Even you Anon. The paladin loves you man.
No one believes me when I say this, but it's fucking true dude.

>>52698614
Save them? No. But you can always try to make their lives better.

>>52700190
>>52700198
I am getting some serious Emperor of Mankind/possibly Konrad Curze-ish vibes from you. Good in theory, perhaps, a noble thing, but watch yourself.

>>52697746
>The Watchers Face in the tattoo
What's this from?

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>>52694274

>>52707119
Nier Automata.

If you actually care the timeline goes

Drakengard 3 -> Drakengard 1 (Ending E) -> Nier -> Nier Automata

That is excluding novels, drama cds, stage plays and comics. But yes, that is a Watchers reference and their existence is somewhat important to the plot.

>>52707189
I'm just waiting for TheDarkId LP of Automata, honestly.
I only played the first game.

>>52694274
Peter Pan is a good character to get ideas for with this.

Alternately, go with Doctor Steel, mad scientists who wants to make the world a utopian playland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J48vuoO2PQY

>>52695426
You're not any kind of pacifist if you harm people physically.

>>52695950
but it is suspicious how many of the people who work with Trump have deep financial relationships with Russian politicians and businessmen, though. Don't write it off like it's nothing.

>>52711723
That isn't any difference really with the Democrats under Clinton. I mean hell, she used her position as secretary of state to okay a deal basically sold 25% of the USA's uranium assets to a Russian state owned corporation after several of its higher ups made some nice donations to the Clinton Foundation. God forbid we look at other instances of her fouling the waters.

Bernie maybe, but he wasn't the presidential candidate and his platform was often fucking retarded.

>>52694525
But Lewis was a pretty cool guy.

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>>52694798
I don't live close enough to the border to shout an apology over, how much does a 30 second television spot cost in Mexico?

>>52694335
Came here for this.

>>52712393
Or her connections to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, which were frankly far, far more damning.

Or both parties' total subservience to the Israeli Lobby, which is really the root of all of our problems. But we're not allowed to talk about that.

>>52703373
You're an asshole, we live in an age when reward should not be the motivation to work, and if you need it to work, you should look hard and long at yourself. But hey, i'm not an asshole.

Humanities goal has been changing since the development of agriculture. Survival (basic, pants shitting kind) is no longer a maybe. Food isn't scarce for a developed country. Labor is plentiful. Lif e is genuinely getting better overall for humans, so this whole 'gotta be a dick to survive and thrive' shit, it's childish tantrum throwing because the world doesn't work like you've been promised. sucks to be you.

>>52703600
I don't say this often, but you dumb.

You don't understand how evolution works. you think evolution is looking for what works best? fuck no, it works by what survives best.

Tribalism is basically the appendix of human culture, was useful when we were being shitty, but now it's only noticed when it tries to kill us.

Rape totally natural, every single duck you've ever seen is a rape baby, rapist in training, rapist, or rapee. Ducks have a genital arms race going because of it and it's fuck up.

Humans arn't natural, the shit we do isn't natural. to care or love, isn't natural. So fuck naturalism (and i'm a pagen), it's usless in a modern context.

lastly, if a screen, the thing that CANNOT exist in nature in the form we've produced, is natural, then EVERYTHING IS natural. Violence, love, thinking, everything. including not being shitty to people. which means we get to CHOOSE our behavior regardless, because us choosing to be that way is natural.
Funny how if that's the case, then natural loses meaning and your lack of argument losing what hot air it had.
If they opposite is true (as in some things are natural, some arn't) there is not dividing line between unnatural behaviors (altruism in your mind (even that's fallacious in nature)) because we have already cross and pissed on the line as a species and are moving past being controlled by the natural.

>>52694979
>Being an adult is not violating someone else rights or letting your wants (and fears, passion, stupidity, training, racism, prejudice, history, heritage) control your actions

What if your rights are in direct conflict with the more beneficial outcome for all involved?

You can't just handwave it away. Your existence is build and preserved on the suffering of dozens if not hundreds of other people less fortunate half a world away.
Just because you don't play an active role tormenting them doesn't mean you aren't part of the problem.

>>52697827
Damn you beat me to the joke

>>52713696
So stop allowing taxes and government income financing that pays for them to be repressed. If they couldn't write a check for a trillion dollars and have no one care that the money doesnt exist, how would they pay for all their bombs nnshot

>>52713624
Calling someone an asshole usually makes you an asshole. But anyway;
>we live in an age when reward should not be the motivation to work, and if you need it to work, you should look hard and long at yourself
Okay. Why do YOU work? And what do you do in the first place? We'll start with that.
>Lif e is genuinely getting better overall for humans, so this whole 'gotta be a dick to survive and thrive' shit, it's childish tantrum throwing because the world doesn't work like you've been promised. sucks to be you.
I don't subscribe to this philosophy either. Just because I own a business doesn't mean I'm a dick about it.
>you think evolution is looking for what works best? fuck no, it works by what survives best.
Same thing, and exactly what I meant.
>Tribalism is basically the appendix of human culture, was useful when we were being shitty, but now it's only noticed when it tries to kill us.
Agreed, but we still can't wish it away.
>Rape totally natural, every single duck you've ever seen is a rape baby, rapist in training, rapist, or rapee.
Ducks =/= people, hence why I mentioned the social contract.
>Humans arn't natural, the shit we do isn't natural. to care or love, isn't natural. So fuck naturalism (and i'm a pagen), it's usless in a modern context.
I disagree, but to be fair, this largely depends on your definiton of the word "natural".
>which means we get to CHOOSE our behavior regardless, because us choosing to be that way is natural.
Being natural doesn't mean it's a choice, I don't even know how you can conflate the two. Wouldn't we all just choose not to get sick? Or not to get cancer?
>(altruism in your mind (even that's fallacious in nature))
I would love to borrow from your mind-reading powers, anon.

>>52713786
>So stop allowing taxes and government income financing that pays for them to be repressed.
The end result of this is societal collapse, which fucks over everyone far more than being simply repressed.

North Korea is an interesting case of this. Their national mythos emphasizes childlike innocence of the Korean people.

Another great example would be the Chinese Red Guard. It was all about replacing the old, corrupted generation with a new generation that been born under the current (and therefore correct) regime and didn't have any knowledge about how things were before and would therefore be more easily manipulated. The breakdown of the family unit was also critical. Children were encouraged to turn on their parents and teachers.

>>52703947
>I am getting some serious Emperor of Mankind/possibly Konrad Curze-ish vibes from you. Good in theory, perhaps, a noble thing, but watch yourself.

I don't see myself like that, but EMPARAH had a good idea, good plan, and a good soul, it was the fools who took it too far that made it derp.

Thanks however. I will always try to be mindful. I do make it a habit to surround myself with as many different view points as possible, and often don't work for myself as a rule. So that's a nice buffer.

But really it boils down to, i don't want hurt people unless i have to, i'll enjoy it when i do, and if i think it was a righteous thing to do, i won't think twice.

Useless behavior needs to be done away with, and the first page of that is titled 'Discrimination and you; how you TOTALLY CAN TELL what a person will do based on shit you know nothing about Karen'

(While i will never say every *anyracegenderreligionhere* is *whateverthefuckwrongideayouhave* i will say i am extremely judgmental on cultures/practices that perpetuate suffering or are fucking useless (America/France/TCM). I also can't stand basing an opinion on anything but rational measurable shit,even then i'm particular and make sure the data involved isn't cherry picked or altered to have a particularly apparent bias. Oh and fuck the altright. i might just make that the last thing i say forever now.)

In the end, i am what i am, and i'm not afraid of death or pain or my own suffering. I have rules, strict immutable rules, that let me live a normal life where i don't rip the heads off assholes. I'm smart enough to realize when i am in the wrong, and smart enough to notice when i'm being fucked around on.

and the thing that people often don't get, i'm skill enough to back everything up. My views, my hate, my rage, my love, my kindness. Everything. i don't tolerate assholery, and i won't suffer it. You can have a different view, just don't be an asshole.

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>>52713624
>one guys makes a million bucks (or million powers or whatever) it's his responsibility to support those that can't.
>Hopefully that makes you understand why i say it's the duty of the strong to support and serve the weak.
>It's the duty of the strong because they got lucky.
>(and i'd probably punch you
>(and i'm a pagen)

How do you not realize how much of a pathetic piece of shit you sound like, you fucking parasite

>>52713876
I work because i have to in order to survive in a system not of my choosing. I use my extensive knowledge of the human body to be an embalmer. i fucking hate it, but hey i have to pay the bills.
I am an asshole (if you wanna split hairs), but i'm a righteous one. so ehhhh. also that logic implies that we can never ever question anyone ever for fear of being an asshole. good job b
I play music and bar tend for fun. I would do both even if i never got paid. I also build houses for fun too. Because i enjoy the work. It's only assholes who worry about other people not working.

Life is empirically getting better for everyone, just because you own a business doesn't make you a better person/own the works of the people who work for you (i actually don't think possession is a right, but a privilege, but YOU KNOW modern thoughts)
Duck=nature Social contract =/= Nature your argument =/=good.
Lets add an addendum so you can get it
>it works by what survives best, for right now it doesn't think about tomorrow.

>Agreed, but we still can't wish it away
So you agree its a bad thing but don't want to do anything about it? SHIT YOU ARE SHITTY. seriously, the first step in removing it from our stupid flesh bot processor is identifying it and not falling victim to it. So far your argument has been 'it exists and is bad but it's hard to do something about it, so...'
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/natural
definition yo, in the context im assuming it's #2 we are using for our whole 'nature' vs 'artificial'. so to be fair, no it doesn't. and that's not a counter to my argument.
Logically, if everything is natural, then our choice of behavior is always natural. I was talking about behavior, not cancer. So i'm guessing you wanted to try and feed me straw?
>mind-reading powers
I'm Phycic, and you own a phycus (or maybe i attributed that particular thing to the wrong anon. my B).
You have such little faith in humanity. and that makes you sad and miserable asshole.

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>>52713966
What the fuck pallybro. I wish everyone I knew was like you.

>>52714019
And here, we have an example of the childish villain attempting to goad a hero off the righteous path.

Keep it up little guy, maybe one day you too will find purpose beyond being selfish prick.

>>52694335
>KIDS ARE CRUEL, JACK, AND I'M VERY IN TOUCH WITH MY INNER CHILD!

God damn this game was full of great one-liners.

>>52714214
Come to canada Bro, me and my brothers are all the same, all psychos on the path to good (it took awhile to get my older one on the wagon but ehh) so it's a family of paladins spreading the word of ultimate good around punching dumbasses who try and start shit.

Even have a couple younglings who've chosen to learn from us. So at least i know the order will survive.

>>52714221
Nice try there little one, but I donate almost all of my money to charity and spend much of my time on humanitarianism.

Doesn't change that he sounds like a total faggot.

>and the thing that people often don't get, i'm skill enough to back everything up. My views, my hate, my rage, my love, my kindness

AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

>>52714197
>I work because i have to in order to survive in a system not of my choosing. I use my extensive knowledge of the human body to be an embalmer. i fucking hate it, but hey i have to pay the bills.
And that's your reward, the bills get paid. You survive. I'm sure if you had the chance, you'd want MORE than just that, right? A nice house? A new car? A private island, or a yacht? Not everyone can have these things, but SOME can. Why refuse such luxuries to ALL simply because YOU can't (or don't want to) work enough to earn them?
>I am an asshole (if you wanna split hairs), but i'm a righteous one.
The worst kind.
>also that logic implies that we can never ever question anyone ever for fear of being an asshole.
Questioning someone and calling them names are two different things.
>I play music and bar tend for fun. I would do both even if i never got paid. I also build houses for fun too. Because i enjoy the work. It's only assholes who worry about other people not working.
And I'm happy for you, I am. I like doing plenty of things which others can't do for free, and I genueinely enjoy helping people in any way I can. But the unfortunate truth of the matter is, there are a lot people who don't feel this way, and a whole fuckton more who would take advtange of those people/societies and do literally nothing (look at welfare). It's an ideal I'd like to see, but is no way possible both from a societal and psychological perspective.
>just because you own a business doesn't make you a better person/own the works of the people who work for you (i actually don't think possession is a right, but a privilege, but YOU KNOW modern thoughts)
I never said it made me a better person, I just said it doesn't automatically make me a dick. And you don't even know what type of business I own!
>Social contract =/= Nature
Yes... yes it is... look it up.

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>>52714197
>>52714412
>So you agree its a bad thing but don't want to do anything about it? SHIT YOU ARE SHITTY. seriously, the first step in removing it from our stupid flesh bot processor is identifying it and not falling victim to it.
My point is that you LITERALLY CAN NOT DO IT. That's like turning a lion into a pacifist vegan. Doesn't fucking work.
>Logically, if everything is natural, then our choice of behavior is always natural.
No, no that's not logical. You cannot choose behavior (or more specifically in this context, emotions).
>I'm Phycic, and you own a phycus (or maybe i attributed that particular thing to the wrong anon. my B).
Not gonna lie, that fucked me up a little bit. I do technically own a phycus, it's just been dead for like 5 years. Though that's also a fairly common plant to have, so maybe a lucky guess? If you can do that again I'll be impressed.
>You have such little faith in humanity. and that makes you sad and miserable asshole.
I don't actually have little faith in humanity, I love people and I can see our potential as being so fucking great. I'm just (from my point of view) being realistic about the situation, and not assuming everyone on Earth can be held to the same standard myself, you, or pallybro want to hold them to. Not without a gun to their head, anyway.

And I don't mean to be rude about this, but constantly flinging around the word "asshole" makes you look like you don't know what the fuck you're even talking about.

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>>52714250
Okay so is this most of Canada or just your family? Might be worth the move.

>>52714412
I refuse such luxuries because they arn't what i need, and since i lead by example, i don't believe people should be working toward personal wealth in this day and age. So, ha i guess? Just because you're luck/smart/work harder doesn't mean your life has more value than the guy who wants to smoke pot on his couch for his entire life.

Clinical usage of righteous, but hey i'm being baited.

welfare isn't the problem dude, and there are VERY FEW non anecdotal bits of evidence/data that says welfare is abused, in fact it's a straight up myth (i personally want guaranteed minimum income, but i can feel the republican in you clench)

I never said you were a dick for owning a business did i? i said you were a dick for not sharing the wealth generated by that business altruistically. That's what makes you a dick.

So you are saying, the things that naturally developed rape as thier main means of procreation arn't natural? neat. Or are you saying that because we are different than nature our natural state is to have a social contract? Because either way you lose.

The social contract being natural has no bearing on whether or not being altruistic is the right way to be.

>>52714525
You totally can do it, you just need to find the right way. and you probably, with enough knowledge of genetics, evolution, and gene-therapy, develop a lion descendant that can be vegan. Just because we can't now doesn't mean we can't. Look at flying, nuclear physics, SPACE. This is generational work.

So wait, i don't choose to punch people? i don't choose to be on this board? or are you going reductionist because we are all dust on dust being duuuuuuuuuust. it's a stupid argument too and reduction-ism serve little purpose beyond wanking.

One time deal bro, that thing had enough life let in it for one solid message.

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>>52714525
Realism and real arn't the same thing, realality is a wired place, and we can do anything as a species. For me, thinking anything less would mean we will need to burn it away so that suffering can end, it's not the end i want.

I use it as a way of calling out the behavior. and as much i have to respect that you HAVE an opinion, i don't have to respect your for having it.

Important. (same goes for you toward s me, i'm explaining my position, what i view makes an asshole, and how i'm not so filled with fear i'm afraid to call people out on it. You can think what you want, it's what you do that matters to me. Act like an asshole, get called an asshole, don't like being called an asshole, change your behavior)

>>52714558
Southern Ontario, but it's mostly just my family. I say; start preaching in your community, find other like minded, and stay on the path. work towards ultimate good and those that feel the same will gather.

it just takes time (and a bit of luck).

>>52714321
Passion makes for faggotry, got it.

Nice to know that even people who might be decent sometimes, are still assholes.

>>52713624
>You're an asshole, we live in an age when reward should not be the motivation to work,
Creationist-tier nonsense that belongs firmly in the trash where it has been put.

Nothing pleases me more than low-information retards like you being put in their place--which is to say, out of all serious political discussion.