/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>52688978
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_swords
>Uses DnD terms for swords
>Bitching about not getting things right

You're a dumbass.

Going to be running a Werewolf the Forsaken game set in the Reconstruction South, Richmond Virginia
Come check it out if you're interested.
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/74267/the-lost-cause

Note that I actually have enough applications to be selective now, so you're not basically guaranteed a spot anymore.

>>52688701
DAAAAAAAAAAAVE!! You're still here.

I'm loving the previews you've done so for the Tremere and the Scelesti.

>>52688984
Labyrinth

>>52688984
>What's a good movie for inspiration?
Hellboy 2 has some cool visuals for the Fae.

>>52689063
There's also Pan's Labyrinth.

>>52689108
Sure but David Bowie was probably an actual member of the gentry.

>>52689031
Perhaps you ought to read that a little more, when it talks about size classifications, then google how large a guitar case is.
Protip: a "greatsword", which doesn't really exist and is a expression used for swords often 5'+, were roundly larger than hand and a half/longswords, which were commonly 4-5'.
I am amused you thought you could link wikipedia, not actually quote anything, and count that as a rebuttal.

>>52688984
Not a movie, but I find myself coming back to this ost when running Changeling games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7qdh9lxXIQ

>>52689181
Nigga, it defines a greatsword right in the fucking article.

I'm surprised you can walk without falling over based on your gifted intellect.

>>52689217
And that is not what WoD has in mind when it speaks of greatswords, you monstrous oaf.
You decided to use a real life definition that does not apply to WoD because it still has fucking longswords as single hand blades like D&D. Your wikipedia article does not apply to this discussion at all, and you are the one acting like it is relevant in the slightest.

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You know what you always wanted? A Legacy dealing with forgetting things, but in the good, (probably) non-Abyssal way! Well, let me present the Disciples of Transcendent Memory!

http://www.strawpoll.me/12735417/r

>>52689331
I have dementia-level memory problems, fuck you I didn't always want a Legacy for them! I mean, as far as I know.

>>52689744
Fuck, anon, I hope you're joking, otherwise that's really rough. I'm sorry.

>>52689822
Well it is true but I am always joking about it. I'm not seriously taking offense to your homebrew or something.

>>52688984
>What's a good movie for inspiration? Changeling, preferably.

Pan's Labyrinth. Coraline. Hellboy 2 for the goblin market. Labyrinth itself, which has one of the best quotes for showing some Keepers' mindsets:

Sarah: Give me the child.

Jareth: Sarah, beware. I have been generous up 'til now. I can be cruel.

Sarah: Generous? What have you done that's generous?

Jareth: *Everything*! Everything that you wanted I have done. You asked that the child be taken. I took him. You cowered before me, I was frightening. I have reordered time. I have turned the world upside down, and I have done it all for *you*! I am exhausted from living up to your expectations. Isn't that generous?

Does anyone have a download link to A Beast I Am? It's incredibly rare and almost impossible to track down. Mostly just interested in it as a piece of WoD history but some of the tracks I've heard are pretty good.

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>>52690280
It's also the most 80s thing in existence.
>Jim Henson, George Lucas and David Bowie... [irrelevant details]

>>52689885
Hang in there, man.

>>52690346
Anon a couple threads back said he was going to bite the bullet and buy it since nobody can seem to find it anywhere, but that was the last I heard about it.

>>52689605
>Consensus makes it so

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>>52688984
>What's a good movie for inspiration? Changeling, preferably.

How often do VtM games with Giovanni PCs devolve into Sopranos memes?

>>52690709
Mine devolve into baccano memes on occasion

>>52690280
In addition to these, Stardust has a fantastic goblin market as well.

>>52690760
>Issac and Miriah as a pair of FishMalks
It's like pottery.

Just a question. For spells that cause area lilts like Control Weather, the default scale is still one target right? I just find it funny that heavy winds only affect one guy

>>52690709

I had a Giovanni PC who force fed his ghoul gabagool before sucking his blood.

>>52690709
Rarely, there are just too many incest jokes to get through to anything else. That's what happens when your clan consists entirely out of multi-dimensional inbreeding.

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Mage question!

If I acquire a photo of one-hundred individuals, would the sympathy count towards all of them at once? Could I dictate their lives by the usage of Fate?

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Haven't looked at anything 2E for it yet.

How bad did they fuck up Changeling?

>>52691769
Changeling was never elegant so as long as they didn't steamroll over the lore they've done no harm.

>>52690709
That's too new for a lot of vampires. I think they're still on Chico Marx.

>>52691780
>Seemings are now determined on your method of escape
>not the theoretical hundred years of reality torture you endured
Hmm....

So, I want to DM my first game, and I'm trying to pick a nWOD game to play. Which one should I go with? I'm down with warwilfs, but is there a specific one I should go for as someone new?

>>52691950
If its your first with nWOD or CofD I'd do regular mortals/hunters to get the hang of things.

>>52691737

You are everything wrong with mage

>>52691769
From what I've seen so far...they haven't. They are leaning more on the "madness" end of the spectrum making your Seeming a clear allegory to trauma coping mechanism but also disconnecting it from Kith meaning any Kith can be paired with any seeming making for some very cool combos.

Contracts are less limiting and opened up a lot. A lot of good changes in a lot of ways. Plus you don't have to focus on the story of your trauma, you can leave that in your backstory and move on with your own story and the events in your area just like you could before and leave the metaphors in the background and focus on what you want to.

>>52691737
I don't think anyone is going to be brave enough to answer your question, out of fear for more mage supremacy wank.

Though, the answer to your question is a big fat yes.

>>52692021
Sympathetic range is an actual thing, anon.

>>52691950
Have you ever played a nWOD or CofD game? If yes, Wolves would be fine. Probably a lot of fun. Beast also might be as well. You have one less thing to worry about as a new ST, in keeping track of morality and those problems. DO NOT ALLOW A MONSTER MASH. For the love of hell I made that mistake. I ended up rushing my game to it's end because trying to keep track of what everyone did and power levels was a unhallowed bitch and her sister on meth.

>>52692108
That I don't think is their problem it's using a photo to get Sympathetic range on 100+ people with the same spell. Which said mage could do...but they would clearly need to reach for advanced scale and take a -10 to cast....so yeah hope they didn't need to pump up duration to indefinite (which if they want to control their lives with fate they may need to) or more potency because they are going to run out of casting dice quick unless they are a massively advanced character.

>>52692168
Edited due to me being me.

Advanced Scale is not needed when Sympathy is involved.
A hundred people spread across the planet is the same as a hundred people in a single room when the Space Arcanum is being deployed, assuming the photo is in hand.

>>52689036
>Note that I actually have enough applications to be selective now, so you're not basically guaranteed a spot anymore.

Why would anyone bother apping then?

>>52692574
Because they could still get in? It's just that it's no longer basically automatic.

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>>52691737

Yes. Go ruin a community of werewolves while you're at it. Not sure why Acanthus is considered the king of the Paths, when the Mastigos can do shit like what you're suggesting.

>>52691769
>>52691821

Apparently they're more or less starting the book over with the same basic principles (Huntsman are a thing, it's using the 2e system), so who knows about Changeling 2e lore anymore.

>>52691950
Werewolf is pretty good for first-timers; the themes of working as a unit, defending your territory, and killing shit are straightforward enough. Hunter is good as well, for largely the same reasons.

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Isn't Mage just the best?

>>52692753
>dumb frogposter

That said, unironically yes.

>>52692379
You still need advanced scale to target 100 people. Normal scale can only target up to 16.

>>52691821
Kith is the theoretical hundreds of years of torture.

>>52692168
It's a -8 penalty for 100~ individuals, -10 would be exceeding 160.

>>52693028
Thank god for the Space 4 Attainment 'Everywhere'

>>52693105
-8 only gives you 80. You'd still need to go up to -10 to get the 100. -12 is 360, -14 is 720

>>52692753
Not really. It's a fun problem-solver game but there isn't as much preconfigured social conflict as a VtM game will game, where every player is kept on-edge about who among them has the most vulnerable back to stab.

>>52693132
No, it's still a -8

You also can't exceed 320.

>>52693168
>game will game
*game will have

>>52693174
What? I'm looking right at Page 327 in 2e mage. Max number of subjects you get for a -8 is 80 How are you hitting 100 subjects when you can only target 80?

Also it says that for each -2 after -10 you may double the number of subjects or increase the size of the target subjects by 5But AOE cannot be further increased. It gives no cap to how far you can increase the penalty to keep doubling the number of subjects after the 320.

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>>52693248
It literally says you cannot push it further.

>"Area of effect cannot be increased further."

>>52691737
disgusting.

>>52693379
>disgusting
But entirely doable

>>52688978 →
>You know nothing of swords, go play D&D
>>52689284
>W well WoD uses D&D terms so you're wrong
Jesus Christ
Also different anon

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Fortitude + Presence or Fortitude + Dominate?

>>52693564
None.

Go Mind or go home.

>>52693635
And people still think vampfags are the ones who start shit...

>>52693564
Fort + Obs, really throw people for a loop

>>52693564
Either pick something that the coterie needs, or think more deeply about your Ventrue concept. Is she more wheeling-and-dealing politician or more forceful overlord when it comes to mortals? Also, remember that you can take both when you have enough points.

>>52693564
Presence + Dominate. They combo.

>>52693746
Well excuse me for being retarded.

This current thread has a weird vibe to it.

>>52693764
>He still plays coterie games

Brah court intrigue pvp with non metagaming players is where it's at yo.

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>>52693564
Why not all three?

>>52694007
>pvp
How about no?

>>52694127
How about yes?

>>52691769
David Hill left OPP, so there's still marginal hope for Changeling 2e left. If every bit of it that Hill, Filamena Young, and ArcaneArts wrote about it was simply and totally discarded, it still has a chance to be okay.

Unless you just thing ChroD is garbage, which would be fair. Then there's no helping it.

>>52694367
Alright so I haven't been keeping up. What about Hill being on made people think changeling was going to suck/be super awesome?

>>52693917
Caine > Archmages

Now we can go back to normal

How many dots in forces to create this kind of weather phenomenon?
https://youtu.be/nr6wdTPGFmI

>>52693314
Area of effect is the column over from Size dude. It's saying you can't make the Area of effect bigger than -10's value. You can keep upping The number of subjects with additional -2 and the maximum size of that subject.

So I'm trying to sleep with every single supernatural type at least once. Any tips on builds? Standard human thus far.

>>52694618
Ex Nihilo? Forces 5

From an existing bad weather? Forces 2

>>52694661
Pitching or catching?

>>52694669
Can Heavy winds be created on the spot?

>>52694687
Either. I'm playing a dude so I'm going after girls but if I have to settle for another dude here and there so be it.

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Unmarried Thyrsus maiden. Would you make her your bride?

>>52694712
Prioritize Stamina. At a certain point in the deed the brain kinda starts running on instinct and you don't want to have your hips crushed into fine dust, or be gutted like a fish. (See Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue)

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>>52694438
His defense (and authorship of one) of these pieces of garbage.

>>52694754
Depends if she could put up with me....
But I wouldn't mind. It's pretty lonely being a changeling at times. Having someone who can appreciate what I have been through, help me and encourage me to explore my abilities and adapt to my life, even provide stability as I help them in an equal and loving partnership sounds wonderful. Well equal until she hits Gnosis 3....and starts getting 4 dots in her Arcana...at which point I might become un-needed...

>>52694704
Yeah. Depending on what you're trying to do both forces and matter could do that.

>>52694764
I don't think 5 whole sidebars is enough to really warrant declaring the book ruined.

>>52694764
Oh you mean the shit that causes people's eyes to glaze over, or roll in annoyance. And Dead english professors to roll in their graves?

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As a mage, how would I go about convincing a mass production company to start producing Soylent Green like that one movie?

Would the God-Machine approve?

>>52694531
Stop it you false flagging mage fag.

>>52694757
Good point.

Also another general question for the thread, to fuck a beast and have it count would I just need to have sex with them, or go into their lair and fuck the beast proper.

If I want a wind burst that applies knockdown condition, what practice would that be?

>>52694997
I'm a VtMfag dbh

>>52695060
Sounds like a reach effect on an attack spell Arcana 3 or 4.

>>52694855
I wish it were just five sidebars. That's just the obvious shit.

Really, it just sums up a complete disconnect between Onyx Path and their playerbase. The fact that they're getting rid of (some) people who think that genders and soggy knees are more important than the system means there is some hope that the people brought in to work on it are actually people who want to use this as a game system.

>>52695504

Nothing is going to change in that aspect, and you are going to be very disappointed. The disconnect isn't as wide as you think it is, to the point where honestly I think most CofD/WoD general regulars are a secondary demographic and not the primary one, and that they'd be better off playing a different game.

>>52695564
Also what is problem with hills writing? I've never seen people provide any examples. I'm not super into changeling thou

Just died in a oneshot game of The Lost, mates

>>52695714
How did you die?

>>52694764
I see litteraly nothing in there that warrants a ruination. It is so easy to just not reas shit like that and play the game anyways

>>52695721
Got into a tussle with a true fae in their home base. We were trying to escape. I tried to buy time, ended up getting mulched instead

>>52695775
This is indeed what happens when you tussle with a True Fae anywhere, let alone their home.

>>52689165
Based on that latest spoiler he's a Fairest who defaulted on too many Goblin Contracts.

Two questions:
1. So I'm starting "Second Season" of my VtRcampaign soon and was wondering. How would you play if you were in following situation:
>Be Seneschal
>Prince leaves to go on a marry chase after a guy who peeved him off
>Appoints you as chief-replacement
>You are the youngest Invictus elder in the domain
>Lancea Sanctum wants to wrestle power and has 2,5 times more guys than you
>Carthians get uppity
>As a bonus point you look like LaCroix from that silly computer game so no one trusts you

2. Second question MtAfags:
Does mage sight affect mages normal vision when it is active? Could mage run around with Mage Sight on all the time without adverse effects?

>>52695775
That's what you get for buying into noble gestures.

>>52695753
The fact that said sidebars exist at all are indicative of a deeper ideological agenda that pervades the development of the entire book.

>>52694764

This, plus the shitty 'inclusive' art is why I won't touch 2e. If this is included then you just know that the taint runs deep.

>>52696431
Mages don't run around with Mage sight on all the time. In Tome of the Mysteries it says that it can make new Mages go mad if they don't learn to control it. For Mages that do have control of it, I imagine that keeping it up all the time would be a hassle and not worth it when you have peripheral Mage Sight all the time.

>>52696631
Thanks. I'm asking because I was wondering what would happen if you would force that effect on someone i.e. he would have it on 24/7

>>52696657
Yeah that would probably not be good for that person.

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>>52688984
>What's a good movie for inspiration? Changeling, preferably.

Ironically enough, Changeling. It's not what you think but Changeling themes are absolutely in there and presented in perfectly mundane form.

>>52694764
goddammit

>>52695564
>The disconnect isn't as wide as you think it is, to the point where honestly I think most CofD/WoD general regulars are a secondary demographic and not the primary one, and that they'd be better off playing a different game
Well, this is all just a bunch of opinion, and not really true.

Racist, sexist, classist, ableist, and whatever else kind of -ist material like W20 wouldn't have sold very well if we were a "secondary" demographic. The fact that writers have come to this general in the past is indicative of that as well.

The only thing SJWs care about is their MET Vampire larp shit. The rest is for everyone else.

>>52696431
Okay so...Mage Sight in Awakening 2e is always on. But it has 2 levels. Passive which is the normal world but you perceive small extra details influenced by your towers arcana always. So a forces mage with passive mage sight would always know if something is hot or devoid of heat by looking at it. But not how hot. Once they go active mage sight then oh yes you will go nutters if you leave that shit on for more than long enough to look at one object.

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Imperial Mysteries 2E WHEN!?

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>>52696848
Also is it me or does the archmage girl remind anyone else of Aoko?

>>52696833
Well damn. I will have to rework this idea. I did plan to make that NPC mad as a hatter but this sounds a bit like it would make someone catatonic

>>52696848

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>52696848

DaveB has indicated that in 2e, the Imperial Practices basically remained unchanged, Imperial Mysteries is still largely canon, and very few updates will be required to make it fully 2e compliant.

See this thread on SA for a few of Dave's related comments:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3712435&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=362

For example,

"Yeah, so things like QUintessence become way easier to explain in a game with the Yantra system rather than 1e's conflicting magical tools. "Archspells require the use of a unique Yantra" is easy.

The 2e core mentions that archmasters auto-win any Clash of Wills against things not of their weight-class (to include Rank 6+ beings, other archmasters, Ochemata, and the like). I haven't tested out how they should react to the Reach rules, or even if they should be any different to regular mages. They DO have a third set of spell factors they can buy spells up into - so beyond advanced Scale is Imperial Scale, etc

The Imperial Practices are unchanged. The Imperium system works pretty much as-is.

Really, it's just fine details of the archmaster template that need adjusting."

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>>52696946

DaveB has spoken. PBUM.

In a world of mage supremacy, archmasters remain supreme.

>>52696946
I wish Imperial Mysteries never happened.

I should contact an Archmaster to make it so.

brb

>>52696986
>I wish Imperial Mysteries never happened

The purported problem with Imperial Mysteries is not really so much that such a incredibly high power book exists and tilts an already powerful splat like mages well over the top, but rather that no other gameline has a comparable book dealing with their splat's "sponsors" relevant to the Pax Arcanum.

A Thousand Years of Night, the Requiem elder book, is soon to be released, but given Rose's comments that it will not be the IM equivalent for Vampire, I imagine the disgruntlement about "mage supremacy" will continue unabated.

>>52696980

>Komodo Supremacy

>DaveIsAnExarch

What was the point of 2e?

>>52696946
I wonder just what "fine details" are going to be adjusted.

My Gnosis is itching for enlightenment.

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>>52694764
>mixing new and abandoned

>>52697037
I as a vtr fag am a bit worried about TYoN on the basis of what they shown in Secrets of the Covenants.

The problem is not power level because without fog of ages and such bullshit you can already build powerful elders and Methuselah. Thing is I'm expecting they will stick us with pov stories and untested powers/merits

>>52697037
I think it's more that only Awakening has sponsors that are potentially playable. You can't play as Luna now, can you? Or the God-Machine for that matter.

The only possible exception is Changeling, what with the Gentry being something a player can become.

>>52697064
>I wonder just what "fine details" are going to be adjusted.

Petition the Great and Powerful DaveB, Lord of Reptiles, for wisdom and guidance.

He sometime drop crumbs of enlightenment for the unworthy here on /wodg/.

>>52697082
It will probably showcase a few good powerful Devotions corresponding to ancient vampires.

We only really got a good glimpse of one Methuselah, that being Zagreus in Night Horrors: Immortal Sinners.

>>52697082
>I as a vtr fag am a bit worried about TYoN on the basis of what they shown in Secrets of the Covenants.

Rose's spoilers and definite focus on storytelling for elders, including significant sections on matters like running flashbacks, certainly makes it seem that aTYoN will be far more a storyteller's guide than a player's book with significant new and updated rules and mechanics.

If aTYoN turns out like Secrets of the Covenants, particularly since we waited so long for the book's release, it will be a terrible disappointment.

>>52697088
>Petition the Great and Powerful DaveB, Lord of Reptiles, for wisdom and guidance.

Sadly, I am not worthy. Nor would His Grace even notice my pitiful presence.

>>52697112
Ech I'm kinda on a fence about him. First off I do not take stat blocks from 1ed seriously(CoC covenant book had sheriff with like 5 dots in disciplines and so on). So they guy is kinda wimpy and some elders I stated for fun in my games would probably tear him a new asshole.

I do appreciate that he designed his unique devotion out of boredom and laziness thou

>>52697147
>I do appreciate that he designed his unique devotion out of boredom and laziness thou

Dark Decree is enough to rival an Adept of Fate, so it's quite impressive for a Devotion. The requirements are high as hell, sadly.

>>52697037
Consider that it doesn't matter.

>>52697037
>Imperial Mysteries
>A Thousand Years of Night

>MFW no one has even hinted at or suggested a top power book for woofs :(

>>52697159
Well you probably should drop requirements a bit when converting it to vtr2.0 IMHO. On the other hand I do not find vampires messing with fate that thematic but that is my personal preference.

Still this reminds me my favourite part of that book is nosferatu elder that turned into giant lizard for no reason

>>52695689
Read his fucking japanese setting in mage. It's fucking godawful.

>>52697191
Mine was the territory power.

>>52697190

chris wrote a 10 pu werewolf write up. it reeked of butthurt about mages.

>>52697190
What is woof equivalent of Methuselah/Archmaster for their respective splat? Is there any?

>>52697190
To be honest, I have a feeling that no gameline other than Awakening will ever receive such treatment.

As much as I hate to type it out, it makes the most sense for Mage to have this luxury as it entirely relates to the theme of power and the hubris it entails.

>>52697190
Woofs are one of those splats where it's baked into the game itself.

Kinda like how Changelings become True Fae, Werewolves just become completely spiritual beasts. At PU10 you were bleeding essence at 1 every 4 hours outside of the Hisil, and in 2E, you're now hunting every three days, and can only eat essence for your actual susteinance. (You're also spending 15 fucking essence a turn and regenerating 6 bashing every 3 seconds.)

>>52697207
There is no Archmage equivalent for both Requiem & Forsaken that we currently know of.

>>52697206
>chris wrote a 10 pu werewolf write up. it reeked of butthurt about mages

Where? Link?


Also, Chris used to post here all the time. Where'd he go? Did all the mage supremacy talk frighten him away?

>>52697206
Eh, I don't think even a PU 10 Uratha is going to match a Gnosis 10 Master.

Just my opinion on the matter.

>>52697262
He seemed like a nice guy. No wonder he got out

>>52697262

he posted it here but i think its on the opp forums somewhere too.

>>52697277

iirc it had stuff in it like "can't be erased from time" and "immune to magic"

>>52697280
Both Chris and DaveB seem like swell guys in-general.

>>52697277
This is not a point of matching other splat point for point. It's a matter of being top dog(pun intended) for the respective splat.

>>52697277
If the Mage has time to prepare, and is expecting the attack, of course he wins.

If the Wolf gets the ambush, catches the Mage unaware (like he damn well should), the Werewolf wins.

>>52697286
I believe it was only time shenanigans he wrote about, not total immunity to magic.

>>52697295
That's not even the case at mastery why would it be the case at archmastery?

>>52697304

well, i don't remember and i brought it up because i hoped someone had it on hand and would share it again, wink wink

>>52697310
Stop wanking yourself mage supremacist.

>>52697295
This is assuming the Uratha can even ambush the Master to begin with, as you don't get to Gnosis 10 by walking life free of discomfort.

It's also a simple matter for a Master to garner an ES Unmaking 'Avada Kedavra' and hurl it at the respective Uratha with no chance of defending against it.

>>52697311
>wink wink

I'm uncomfortable now.

>>52697338
It's how werefags try to seduce magefags

>>52697321
I'm not. I've run the numbers they are not in the werewolf's favor without some bullshit fetish.

See how quickly a civil and mature conversation can be brought down by a couple of magefags?

Ugghhh

>>52697287
I sometimes wish McFarland would come here and defend beast

>>52697444
Don't you even fucking joke about that, you piece of shit.

>>52697355
>without some bullshit fetish
SWOOSH GO THE GOALPOSTS

So mages can use "bullshit magic" but when Werewolves use it, its no good? Fetish crafting isn't even a master-tier skill for mages, let alone something that requires a Powerstat 10.

I'll tell you what, no "bullshit fetishes" and mages can't use "bullshit" like
>ES Unmaking 'Avada Kedavra' and hurl it at the respective Uratha

>>52697338
>I'm uncomfortable now.

>triggered!

>>52697520
The 'bullshit magic' of Mage is the entirety of Awakening, anon.

Everything is bullshit about the Supernal, while werewolves have to work hard to even become minimally bullshitty.

>>52697520

What kind of ridiculously powerful fetish could a Gnosis 10 archmage craft?

Considering how mage Spirit fetishes are generally much better than the woof variety, I can only imagine and fear what a Spirit Archmaster might be capable of creating.

>>52697520
Way to miss the point. He's saying that the average Master completely annihilates the average Werewolf of that power level, and only the most optimized wolf stands a chance against the AVERAGE Master.

>>52697547

Werewolves are very powerful early and mid-level characters due to their inherent splat capabilities. However, their power curve (and most other splats) just don't match the crazy Arcana/Gnosis/resource increases available to mages with similar XP.

>>52697559
>Way to miss the point.
Point wasn't missed. And really, I don't trust some random anon who says "they've run the numbers". Because in fact, I've run the numbers and it turns out Prometheans could shit all over a Mage blindfolded!

>and only the most optimized wolf stands a chance against the AVERAGE Master
but that's still wrong :^)

>>52697420

Let's continue discussing whether or not Hermonie is a melanin enriched warrior of Sheba och a fucking evil opressor cumskin instead.

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>>52697571
>Because in fact, I've run the numbers and it turns out Prometheans could shit all over a Mage blindfolded!

Who's under that mask? Oh my! A retarded false flagger and an even dumber bait poster!

You should have posted something even a -bit- believable, sorry. That was your mistake.

>>52697547

Jesus Christ, what's with the level of butthurt towards Mages?

>>52697559

Depends on who gets the jump on who, just like in real combat. All that white room power level wank goes out the window when one person sets up an ambush. Which is what the original guy said and he's right.

>>52697566

Not really. Gnosis doesn't really affect a Mage's power level in straight up combat other than how much health they can heal per turn, which will never be as good as a Werewolf's in the first place. An "average" master would be a master of one or two arcana and really, that's not that much and it all goes out the window in an ambush. What's the difference between a Master and an Adept in a straight up fight? Not much and a Fate focused Mage will still fair worse than a Spirit focused one.

>inb4 masters will always be prepared for anything

Except they aren't and the books make that pretty clear. Even with hung spells and what-not, a full powered werewolf will still be able to hold his own. It's only in prepared situations when a Mage can do some ritual shit that a Mage can pull ahead.

But seriously, why are we always having the same argument every thread? What is it about werewolves in particular that get so upset at powerlevel shit? Neither splat is supposed to take fights head on so the whole argument is stupid anyway.

>>52697606
The fact remains that trying to undermine and ambush a Master is going to extraordinarily difficult. These are people living in a metaphorical cold war, and completely paranoid about everything at this level of play.

Deny it all you want, trying to jump a high-Gnosis mage is nigh suicide.

>>52697606
>But seriously, why are we always having the same argument every thread?
Because this is /tg/, what else are we supposed to do?

So what happens when you become 10 primal urge wolf? Do you become like one of them firstborns/turn into spirit or whatnot?

>>52697571
>He just threw his pole in the water.

>>52697640
>>52697606
>But seriously, why are we always having the same argument every thread?

Lack of new WW releases and material to discuss. The major spoilers and open development have also virtually disappeared.

>>52697606
>>52697619
>"Hey, could a werewolf beat a Mage?"
>"Maybe if the werewolf caught them by surprise"
>"N-N-NUH-UH A-A-A M-MUH-MAGE COULD NEVER BE CAUGHT BY SURPRISE"

What is it like to be this much of a faggot?

>>52697606
>Not really. Gnosis doesn't really affect a Mage's power level in straight up combat
It really does. It really -REALLY- does mean a lot in white-room situations. I can't stress this enough.

>An "average" master would be a master of one or two arcana and really, that's not that much and it all goes out the window in an ambush
Masters can garner chances exceeding 90% when fishing for Exceptional Successes for their Unmaking Praxes & Rotes. But trying to take down a Master is suicide for an Uratha, so let's move on to Adepts.

Adepts can dish out nearly unrivaled levels of damage, and upgrade that even further by spending Mana. Yet even then, they are going to lock you down with no chance of escape rather than killing you. Ban, kinetic manipulation and gravity control are among the most anti-werewolf schticks a mage can manage.

>inb4 masters will always be prepared for anything
They kind of have to be, that's the life of living as a Master living in a cold war.

>Except they aren't and the books make that pretty clear
Funny, as I've noticed the exact opposite on many an occasion.

>Even with hung spells and what-not, a full powered werewolf will still be able to hold his own. It's only in prepared situations when a Mage can do some ritual shit that a Mage can pull ahead.
A mage specifically prepared for an Uratha is going to extinguish the weredog, short and simple. No Mastery needed.

Not that you even need to be prepared to lock-down Uratha with minimal effort.

>But seriously, why are we always having the same argument every thread? What is it about werewolves in particular that get so upset at powerlevel shit? Neither splat is supposed to take fights head on so the whole argument is stupid anyway.
These conversations continue because various anons don't like the concept of wizards being above vampires, werewolves, fairies, etc when this is in-fact blatant game-design.

Mages, mummies and demons are the three strongest supernaturals out there.

>>52697606
It's extraordinarily easy for an Adept and above to take down a raging werewolf, buddy.

Anything under that? Quite hard.

Masters can kill you bypassing all of your defenses. Uratha just can't defend against them.

Hey there was a vampfag here the other week that wanted to make a day walker bloodline. I got a idea of how to implement it.

Have their Blessing and Bane be synced.

Bloodline gift: When the sun begins to rise the vampire may spend 1 vitae to suppress the beast allowing him to ignore the call of daysleep and the lethargic condition. furthermore while the beast is suppressed the vampire's blood potency is treated as 0, allowing them to walk in daylight once more.

Bloodline bane: Suppressing the beast comes at a great cost. While walking in day the vampire is limited to spending their Stamina in vitae for the entire day and may only spend 1 vitae per turn.
Furthermore when the beast is suppressed it takes the vampire's humanity with it. During any day the vampire stays awake as well as the following night, the vampire's humanity for the purposes of banes is reduced by the same amount their vampire's blood potency was reduced by. (For example a blood potency 4 vampire with 6 humanity is treated as having 2 humanity for banes.)

>>52694438
He made a big rant on how the "Beautiful Madness" tagline from 1e (which was generally well-liked) was offensive to the mentally ill and needed to die in a fire and he was replacing it.

He reworked the Hedge to be literally MADE OUT OF PAAAIIIIIN (and backed down a little after significant negative feedback).

Seemings are now a direct metaphor for escaping abuse.

DaveB did mention that a single mage could potentially be the worst possible threat for a Pack to face.

Coming from an actual Dev, I think the answer to the 'Werewolf vs Mage' question should be fairly evident.

But why does any of this even matter?

>dick eggs supremacy

>>52697190
The Werewolf player on the Archmaster power tier is already covered, but she's not playable.

Luna is more powerful than the most powerful Archmasters (as long as what she wants to do is within her themes).

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>>52697606
>Not really. Gnosis doesn't really affect a Mage's power level in straight up combat other than how much health they can heal per turn, which will never be as good as a Werewolf's in the first place. An "average" master would be a master of one or two arcana and really, that's not that much and it all goes out the window in an ambush. What's the difference between a Master and an Adept in a straight up fight? Not much and a Fate focused Mage will still fair worse than a Spirit focused one.

I don't even know how to respond to the stupidity here.

>>52697756
Luna isn't a werewolf.

She can also be dethroned by Spirit 9 Transfiguration, but doing so will provoke a hefty Pax violation.

>>52697768
>Turning Luna into an autism spirit

>>52697751
>Sink the Titanic supremacy

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>>52697768
You could make a harem of the gods using Spirit 9.

Luna, Helios and Gaia.
The three best waifus an Archmaster could possibly hope for!

>>52697794
>implying magefags wouldn't make a harem of husbandos

>>52697794
Isn't Helios a guy? With hate boner for woofs?

>>52697803
Well, spirits ARE gender-fluid!

>>52697812
See >>52697815

Helios could be anything you damn well desire.

magefags winning another thread because of some uneducated werefag.

this is why I play hunter, it has given me great humility in being the weakest of the bunch.

>>52697815
Magefags will impose gender upon spirits.

>>52697768
>>52697794
Still not as funny as re-writingthe Wyrd itself with Fate 9. You now have infinite Gentry waifus/husbandos.

Serious mage question.
Nontransparent souce bottle. Few sleepers tried to extract few drops for their meal but got nothing. Its obviously empty. Mage takes bottle and manages to get enouph for his meal in front of the sleepers. What arcana he needs to do that? Life/matter? Or maybe fate since bottle isnot transparent and emptiness is questionable. Or prime so that souce bottle becomes perfect souce bottle for a moment?

>>52697877
Wouldn't six dots of Fate be enough to do that?

>>52698095
Six dots isn't enough to rewrite a changeling let alone the Wyrd.

>>52698095
Dynamics is like a living program. It's capable of bringing down untold havoc upon the Hedge and Arcadia, but can't re-write it's fundamental nature.

Transfiguration on the other hand, can absolutely fuck over the Wyrd entirely, and bring its denizens under your sway, much like the above talk of godly harems.
9 dots effectively grants you limited omnipotence for a time.

Im rading through VtR 1e, and I have a question about disciplines. Perhaps I've missed something, but when using a discipline, let's say the Familiar straner from obfuscate, if the roll fails, can the 'roller' just keep rolling until it succeeds? I only recall 'dramatic failures' to rstrict any further use of a discipline for the night, and if I remember right dramatic failures can only occur on a chance roll (I may misremember this), so there's virtually no risk for a dramatic failure on a normal roll. That would seem to imply that it's pretty much impossible to not succeed in a non-combat discipline like this eventually.

>>52698070

I'd say matter is a given since he can just conjure ketchup or whatever. Fate... maybe, if it's non-transparent and had ketchup in it before.

But I'm no expert on mage, I've just skimmed through the core.

Why are archmages powerful enough to kill and dominate gods 1v1? Even in D&D this isn't possible except for a minor few exceptions.

I get that they're the most powerful things playable, but c'mon!

>>52698256
Looking at the rules is actually hard. The only way to do it is at spirit 9 because anything below temporary omnipotence is just going to fail.

>>52698256
Dethroning deities is a big part of the background for Awakening. The ancient Atlanteans had done it, such as when they bound the Mother of Fire (who is currently a lawyer in Berlin), or when the wizard-kings of Atlantis stormed the Supernal Realms and personally confronted and kicked them out and forced them to become the Bound, whilst themselves Ascending and becoming the tyrannical Exarchs, lording over their new ruin of Creation.

>>52698280
It depends on the god, to be certain. Rank 8 and above would require nine dots, while rank 7 and under would not necessarily be eligible for that much effort.

>>52698327
Depends on the gods and the spirit archmasters spells. He's need to be fairly kitted out to do it. To the point where creating an orchemata spirit would probably be better.

>>52698353
I think you're misinterpreting a select few things.

Will anyone share Cursed Necropolis: Rio?

The Dark Eras Companion mentions a thing called Clash of Wills when two different splats are trying to effect each other? Does that apply to mages being ambushed by Werewolves?

>>52698826
Clash of wills refers to two powers being opposed to each other. Werewolf has power A) perfect ambush mage b) has perfect detection from ambushes

Since two perfect powers are clashing both the werewolf and mage roll base stats to see who wins. Base stats being ability + powerstat (If I remember correctly). So if the mage has 5 gnosis +5 awareness

Can u have vampire, werewolf, mage and wisp group? For a end of the world scenario or something?

>>52699131
You can have any kind of group you just have to recognize that the mage is going to be able to do more and past arcana 3 the game starts to break badly.

>>52699169
We can handle mage I think. Oh well there are so much possibilities then...

>>52688984
>What's a good movie for inspiration? Changeling, preferably.

Split
Event Horizon
It
Doctor Strange

>>52694764
>mention mystic hermaphroditism and queer magic without actually explaining how or why, or what, possibly out of fear of sorcerous reprisals

This reeks of Brucato, AKA "I can't be assed to explain how Sphere Magic works in the sphere magic book".

>>52696543
That's a bit of an overstatement, nah? Not a fan of how they handled gender, but it's not like having a black guy on the cover will kill anyone.

Calling it the taint just sounds really excessive imo.

>>52696495
The agenda isn't the problem, it's how it's handled.
Efforts to be inclusive don't have to be at the cost of quality or tone. Hill's shitty writing is his own fault.

>>52699752
I don't get it. I live in a country that is 99% white and still run into blakc or asian guy in the street from time to time. What is the fuckin problem?

>>52697794
Gaia if she exists would be like rank 9. So at Spirit 9 she'd be a peer. I don't think it's possible to reach Spirit 10 without ascension.

Trying to build a Changeling Freehold for a game set in London. Anyone got any good ideas/experiences with WoD London? So far I've got
>use abandoned underground tunnels
>Autumn Court is incredibly powerful due to the fear in the city and due to the presence of other supernaturals, especially ghosts
>Seriously there's ghosts fucking everywhere holy shit

>>52698070
For a bottle to function for one person and not others would be Fate 2 (it could be done other ways but Fate 2 is by far the easiest).
Food/nourishment is under the purview of Life in 2e. So creating food ex nihilo would be Life 5 making or Life 4/Fate 2 to create a bottle that would transmute it's contents to anything you could want from wine to mayonnaise.
You could also use Space 3 to connect the bottle to some hidden source.
Forces 2 to make the bottle only appear empty.
Time 4 can trap the bottle in a loop so it refills after it's used.
Spirit 4 to turn the bottle into a fetish of food.

Matter in my games can't create food per se but it could make the gross matter food is made out of. So a Life mage can make bread from nothing a Matter mage can make a 'carbohydrate sponge'. What's the distinction? The 'bread' created by Matter magic will be the most unappealing thing you've ever tried to eat like if you're not starving you'll probably have to make a Resolve+Composure roll to even try. It will also not have the side benefits of real food like restoring willpower or removing/creating conditions it'll only keep you alive.

>>52700194
She'd be 10.

>>52697812
Not by the time the Archmaster is through with him.

>>52700529

No, to the extent she exists in a chronicle, Imperial Mysteries suggests she would be Rank 9, one rank above Luna and Helios.

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Alright my fellow edgelord try hards, I want some suggestions. I'm wanting my players to be in the role of 1-2 Wehrmacht tank teams shoved into Tigers. The rough plot is that WW2 is nearing its last legs, the Russians are nearing Berlin (or are attacking it, not sure which yet) and the PCs are trying desperately to aid. As all but their unit was wiped out, they're outnumbered and can only really take shelter in their tank(s).

I was wanting to see what supernatural being(s) would be best for our doomed German soldiers to have to deal with during the nights when the Red Army isn't on the move and the planes aren't overhead.

I want to give the players a sense of terror and fear, even when they're inside the tank(s). I want their characters to be terrified of opening a hatch for a better look of what may or may lurk in the wreckage of the villages and farmlands they once called home.

Tl;Dr: I need a supernatural can-opener for a WW2 game.

>>52699929
Like, a lot of the people have gotten annoyed by progressive/inclusive/social justic-ey directions. This is somewhat justified in some cases, but the vast majority is sort of like...Jumping at shadows?

They'll get really triggered with anything that could be construed as social-justice, even when it's not harming anyone or is decently pulled off.

Basically, everything is Beast to them.

>>52699929
>>52700737
The worst part is the more they get triggered, the more people will think there's a problem, which means the more Onyx Path can get away with pushing an agenda. I actually agree with a lot of what they complain about, but complaining about it will only make it worse.

>>52700245
I ran a Manchester Changeling based game, once upon a time.

I used a few "Peter Pan" mythos as a thematic, because that fuck is the definition of a Gentry. I reckon that'd work even better for London. Something like a looming threat of a specif fay.

>>52700245
Jack the Ripper is there somehow.Maybe a Gentry that was once an Autumn Court Razorhand until his Wyrd hit 10 and Clarity hit 0.

>>52700730
Vampire is a good choice. It could be like 'The Thing'. Strange occurrences at night, people getting picked off randomly, any supernatural events could be explained as 'shell shock'.

Sorry if this is a gay question, but the talk about Harry Potter and who may or may not have been black in it got me wondering something.

How would you stat some of the spells in Harry Potter according to Awakening's magic system? Avada Kedavra, the Killing Curse, would ironically be a Life spell, since it causes its victims to just cease functioning. The Patronus Charm might be a kind of positive Goetia or something, while Expelliarmus would be a Matter spell. Shit like that.

>>52701174
I've never read/watched harry potter what are the spells and what do they do approximately.

Are you looking forward to Deviant?

>>52701622
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_spells

Go nuts.

>>52701657
I hope it's got a more cyber-punk feel than the other splats.

>>52697141
Not with *that* defeatist attitude, Anon.

>>52701795
HE WALKS AMONG US!!!!

>>52701657
I might be a sour fag but I do not. I think what deviant sells can be built with what we are already given. Also it takes away man power that could be used more in things like changeling and geist 2e

>>52701833
Dave is always here.

Silently watching us.

Judging us.

And some other third thing, possibly masturbating to all the Mage Supremacy.

>>52701674
Jesus christ.

I looked up a list of the 'top' ten spells

1. Wingardium Leviosa
Forces ••• 'Telekinesis'

2.Bubble-Head Charm
Space ••• 'Ban'

3.Alohamora
Matter • 'Remote Control'

4.Accio
Sensory range Forces ••• 'Telekinesis'
Outside of sensory range Forces•••/Space••

5.Petrificus Totalus
Life •• or ••••
1 mana
Immobilized Condition

6.Lumos
Forces ••••• (Yes really. Creating light from nothing)

7.Riddikulus
Mind••• Goetic summons (Summoning something humorous apparently)

8.Expelliarmus
Forces ••• 'Telekinesis'

9.Avada Kedavara
Life ••••• Unmaking

10.Expecto Patronum
Mind ••• Goetic Summon

>>52701980
Implying our lord and savior has to waste time jacking it to Mage supremacy when he has a personal harem of sexy Komodo dragons at his beck and call.

So I just read the World of Darkness from the paste bin and then realized that the Chronicles of Darkness is the newer version? Did I fuck up? They seem kinda the same.

>>52697794

If you've hit 9 in an arcana and aren't planning your ascension in-between fighting off ochemata death squads and whatever else your enemies can throw at you, you're really, really fucking stupid, Terminally so.

>>52696543

Art choices don't impact word count in any way beyond their size. Choosing to waste a sidebar on this bullshit, on the other hand..

>>52702080
Bubble-Head Charm would actually be closer to Repel, a modified Ban that's portable. So it would be Space 3 and Matter 2 or 3.

I also feel like Expelliarmus would be closer to Matter, since I remember reading something about a Kick Back spell which causes an enemy's weapon to harm their hand or something.

You're right on the rest though.

>>52702260
Fair points. This has given me a new appreciation for the free-form system. The wizards in Harry Potter are either painfully dogmatic or exceptionally uncreative with magic.

A mage with the arcana dots to mimic all the mediocre spells listed would be terrifyingly strong.

>>52702367
Well wizard society in potterverse is presented as stale and dogmatic about things so it wouldn't be surprising if they would screw themselves like that

>>52702367
No kidding. It surprises that one of the most minor spells of the series would take mastery of Forces for an Awakening Mage to pull off.

Speaking of that, what if you had a lighter, used it to make a flame, and then cast a spell to manipulate and enhance the light from it, and then put out the flame? Would the light still hang around, drawing power from your magic? In the book it says that when you manipulate something like the light from a light bulb, it's treated as independent from the source.

So would that work?

>>52697219
In b4 beast is the only game line to get a tier 4 play book. Archmasters are also their besties.

Is there a way to reduce paradox by dressing up as a superhero?

>>52697444
He pretty much already 4chaned it up going crazy and calling all the critics of Beast MRAs would fit well with the mentality of shit posting. Too bad he believes it.

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>>52697551

>>52697665
When did it slow down? I wonder if we can pinpoint it to an actual event, like Beasts early documents being a disaster (not that the later ones were better) or the Rape powers in exalted.

>>52702640
No. Might make a few things less vulgar, but flying and superhuman strength are right out.

>Want to run a VTM game
>Don't know what time or city to run it in

Hmmm, I'm thinking of Detroit in the 80's possibly. I dunno though.

Any ideas guys?

>>52702820
Detroit today. The city's a shambling corpse, so the vampires would fit right in.

>>52702989
As someone that lives in Detroit today, I don't really wanna. It's on the rebound, but it's also terribly boring outside of downtown.

Mostly empty housing and wolves.

>>52692705
>>52694367

What happened that made him leave so abruptly?
Leaving during the middle of a project you're developing would point to something very drastic.

>>52702820
Cleveland OH, in the modern day.
There isn't a bleaker, more toxic (metaphorically and literally) city and America. The rivers catch fire, and the water is so toxic the fish have become biohazards.

>>52703073
That's actually a pretty good idea.

Fucking Ohio is a shitty as state already.

>>52703059
Swedish Dracula and questionable hiring practices.

>>52703059

White Wolf hired the man who either stalked him and his kids or has a bunch of obsessive fans that stalked him and his kids that aforementioned man cannot control, depending on how you see the situation. White Wolf doubled down and implied that said stalker and/or figure that said stalkers admire would continue to work with the company on future Vampire 5e/One World of Darkness projects.

>>52702741
That doesn't work with the 2e rules. But you can still do a bunch of OP bullshit with spirit.

>>52702574
>Would the light still hang around, drawing power from your magic?

Yes. In much the same way a spell still works if the target leaves the area of your control. The initial conditions is what matters.

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Why do the Brujahs get painted as the obnoxious SJW clan and how do I stop this shit?

I always thought that the Brujah clan as being pretty militant in their libertarian's stance on kindred issues.

They're domestic terrorists, thugs, drug lords, and yeah they're super passionate activists and shit. But fuck me, they're not antifa with fangs.

This shit is more annoying than fish malks.

>>52703107
>>52703099

Yeah that'd explain it.
Still, that's a pretty harsh response, abdicating your position like that over some other company hiring someone.

>>52703492
You should probably not, its a company he doesn't even work for that he's quit OPP over. Hes just a nut job communist caught up in his weird politics. That's why he quit.

>>52703476
Just make them less preachy and not so easily offended by different opinions.

>>52703476
Because they also embrace a lot of college activists and conflating them is an easy way to tease a gangbanger.

>>52703476
Well dude, SJW for all their shit can be everything you mentioned.
There's a reason why "warrior" is part of their nick, It's not their views that make them obnoxious, it's the fervent zealotry and sheer aggressiveness that they possess while defending them. That my friend, fits Brujah to a T.

>>52703492

The head of the company is close friends with said stalker/person the stalkers are fans of, and being a dev means you have to send your stuff up to the company. It's harsh, but I get it, this person/his fans are apparently the identity theft/take pictures of your family at school type weirdos. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to.

>>52703522

You do know White Wolf still owns the rights to CofD, right? Technically, everyone at OPP works for them in terms that it's their IP that they're licensing. It's within someone's right to leave if the actions of the license holder make them feel unsafe. Hiring someone who either incites stalking campaigns on you or just happens to have fans who want to stalk on you in honor of the writer they like would count as a "bail now" situation. A person should feel like they're in a safe working environment, even if you don't like their politics, which this doesn't even tie into.

>>52703766
Its called contracting. They are contracted by OPP, they don't work for white wolf in any way. T They pay a licence fee to White wolf. This ultimately comes down to Hill quitting in protest because he doesn't think people he doesn't agree with desreve to be able to work.

Why are Demons the mastersplat?

>Existed before reality was a thing
>They are being so complex that their existence is different and manifestated in many plains of existence, or "facets"
>God cut their power source and overall powers, but they were able to stop and wreck God forces while beings only 1/3 against 2/3 of total Elohim and later the Malhim, angels created only to kill them, with only the support of human faith.
>The created the very concept of things like "the feeling of home" "safety" "intelligence" and so on.
>Magefags in the past summon them from the Abyss to learn their secrets about reality.
>Despite being in the Abyss, they were able to influence humanity just by living their torment.
>Lucifer alone was the cause of the rise of the age of reason along men (And the Technocracy), just for the sake of stopping the Earthbounds and his ex-Liutenants to destroy all creation.
>Most powerful demons cannot even stay in a human body without it being consumed and destroyed by its power in a short time.
>Before and after the fall they had to establish limits for their fights and battles because they didn't have any to begin with, otherwise they would be able to continue fighting forever.
>Immune to possession and mindcontrol/rape
>Able to see throu any illusion easily.

>>52703766
Why is no one just using the guy's name?

>>52698256
If the spirit is Rank 8 or above it pretty much wins automatically, because it has access to the bullshit do-anything power only the most powerful Archmasters get whenever it wants.

The Quintessence required for an Archmaster to use that level of power is as much of a pain in the ass as becoming an Archmaster in the first place, and they have to do this every single time they want to cast something of that level. Spirits just spend a bunch of Essence.

>>52703797

"Work for Hire" still means you are working for the license holder. They are not traditional employees, but they still report to the company when working on their projects. That's why there needs to be an approval phase for every WoD, CofD, and Exalted project.

>People he doesn't agree with deserve to be able to work

He either sicced his fans on him and his children or his fans are so uncontrollable that they will stalk him and his children when he writes a blog post about how much he doesn't like Hill's take on Star Wars. Someone with that notoriety can create an unsafe working environment, especially if you have encountered them before.

>>52703807

It's Zak S/Zak Sabbath, one of the writers of We Eat Blood and All Our Friends Are Dead. He's got a controversial, bad reputation for starting shit and for having the victims he started shit with get stalked. Hill was one of them.

>>52703938
>Zak Sabbath
That fucker that made the awful VtM text game?

Fuck that guy.

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>It's another Magefag: The Wankening thread

>>52703949
To be honest I would rather take Hill than him

>>52703949
The bigger question is how the fuck does he have fans.

So I've got solid info on my question about mage sight but I will bump my second quandary

So I'm starting "Second Season" of my VtRcampaign soon and was wondering. How would you play if you were in following situation:
>Be Seneschal
>Prince leaves to go on a marry chase after a guy who peeved him off
>Appoints you as chief-replacement
>You are the youngest Invictus elder in the domain
>Lancea Sanctum wants to wrestle power and has 2,5 times more guys than you
>Carthians get uppity
>As a bonus point you look like LaCroix from that silly computer game so no one trusts you

>>52699629
If it's gold-bordered and purple then it was Brucato. He wrote the whole damn thing.

>>52703970
Anything Vampire gets eaten up by the fat goff larpers who love every aspect of it.

>>52697768
>She can also be dethroned by Spirit 9 Transfiguration, but doing so will provoke a hefty Pax violation.
Luna can cast Transfiguration whenever she wants, including all the time you're crossing universes trying to get the necessary Quintessence to cast a "dethrone Luna" Transfiguration.

>>52703970

Cause, as bad as We Eat Blood was, he writes some of the best OSR material. Vornheim and Red and Pleasant Land are stone cold classics.

It just so happens that he also considers anyone who doesn't have his exact leftist opinions and argument style to be an enemy plotting against him. Remember, as we are all Anonymous, we're part of his band of "Salieris".

>>52701795
>Not with *that* defeatist attitude, Anon.
Dave confirmed for Thearch.

>>52704022
But what if it was a trick by Luna all along and you get stuck defending werewolves forever?

>>52704003
>Prince leaves
Prince has decided the fall is inevitable, it likely is if it convinced a Prince to give up on a sinking ship, and set you to take it for him. Get shortsighted, make an immediate profit and run.

>>52699010

You are fucking retarded

>>52703654
No, it really is the naivete of their beliefs.
Especially as an ageless vamp, it's hard to take you seriously when you're 100+ years old and still wearing Che t-shirts and bitching about the bourgeoisie.

>>52704003
Point out a common threat that everyone has to unite against, that has to be dealt with urgently, before anyone can begin to think contesting your particular position.
Make one if you have to.

>>52704022
>Luna can cast Transfiguration whenever she wants

Spirits do not have access to Arcana, even those as powerful or high-ranked as Luna. Within their purviews, they can mimic certain static effects of the Imperial Practices using their influences, but this is nothing as broad or flexible as Arcana.

>>52704034
Zak pls go

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>>52703476
Because Celerity is poseur Temporis.

>>52703911
>If the spirit is Rank 8 or above it pretty much wins automatically
Not necessarily, however. The Arcana are leaning towards quality more so than quantity, which is what gods seem to favor. The Spirit Arcanum as a whole would trump Luna's purview / influence, for instance.

>because it has access to the bullshit do-anything power only the most powerful Archmasters get whenever it wants.
Rank 8 entities don't actually have access to Archmastery, the mechanics being something to work with when dealing with such beings of power, and would be entirely different if the god's respective splats applied mechanics to the individual(s).

>The Quintessence required for an Archmaster to use that level of power is as much of a pain in the ass as becoming an Archmaster in the first place
Acquiring the Quintessence for Transfiguration is as hard as the Seeking itself, it's an epic gambit!

>and they have to do this every single time they want to cast something of that level
Quintessence isn't necessarily used up once deployed, it entirely depends on what is being used. Once you have it, you're good to cast it whenever.

>>52704289
This sound wrong, doesn't father wolf have arcana as one of those weird things from Pangea?

Wait, I haven't been following all this but did I miss something? I thought archmastery, and by extension rules for 6+ spirits were back in 1e.

>>52704022
Luna's non-Transfiguration abilities do not equate to the massive possibilities of a single Arcanum, or more. Madness is but a facet of Mind, change and the Moon itself corresponding to both Matter & Forces.

Archmasters have to work hard to do what they do, but they have the luxury of potential.

>>52704421
see
>>52696946
For the most up to date info on 2e archmastery

>>52704351
And Presence is poseur Dominate.

>>52704383
Pangaeans are the one non-Awakening entities with access to the Arcana.

Werewolf and Mage cosmologies are rather interesting. Perhaps werefag x magefag isn't so strange after all?

>>52695564
No.

It really is ideological. Gentry liberals see this as THE issue of the time and they'll try to suck up to that portion of the user base, come hell or high water. If there are two pieces of oWoD canon that SJWs hate, it's oWerewolf and oMage.

Think of marvel comics spending years destroying half of their market share with no sign of stopping.

Think of Jakki being more concerned about Aspel's pronouns than the fact that they were a pedophile.

This is how out of touch these people are.

>>52704455
Probably because both have an ancient world vibe.

>>52704473
>If there are two pieces of oWoD canon that SJWs hate, it's oWerewolf and oMage.
I really wish they'd stop ruining things for everyone else. That shit leaking in so heavy handedly is just way more disgusting than the at least in character presentation they communicated the message with in the old days.

>>52704473
>oMage.

I thought we harped on M20 all the time for having lots of SJW shit in it? Was this not the case in earlier editions of the game?

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Why do magefags refuse to acknowledge their privilege?

>>52704571
Not really. oMage doesn't really have an ideology, besides existentialism I guess.

Then again, this is a setting where women are weaker then men because the majority of humans have always believed this to be the case.

DOWN WITH METAPHYSICAL PATRIARCHY!

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>>52704453
Pre has a better combat package than Dom imo but it's true that they've got a lot of card options with similar effects.

>>52704383
>This sound wrong, doesn't father wolf have arcana as one of those weird things from Pangea?

Father Wolf was a Pangaean, not a spirit, and until Dave says otherwise, they appear to be the one type of entity that has access to some supernal magic. Note, however, that the Pangaeans are dead or gone.

Luna is a spirit, and thus cannot access the Arcana. She has high level Influences that can emulate certain Imperial Practices, but only with respect to the limited purview of such Influence.

>>52701795


Great DaveB, since you're around... I was talking to a friend of mine who happens to like CtL a lot and we came up with a doubt: what happens to a mage that goes to C-Arcadia? Does it affects his soul? Is there any Arcana capable of allowing him to get out of there? (If so, is it a regular or imperial practice?)

>>52704637
>Why do magefags refuse to acknowledge their privilege?

Human should consider themselves lucky that mages deign to acknowledge their pitiful existence.

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>>52704783

>>52704473
>Think of Jakki being more concerned about Aspel's pronouns than the fact that they were a pedophile.
I'm pretty damn sure that the only entity Aspel's touched inappropriately was a cat.

>>52704473

Marvel destroys half of its market share because it fucked itself to death latching itself on the Direct Market and can't promote a comic to save its life. People who harp on its diversity being its problems when it's been shitty at business since the 80s and only bailed out by the strength of its IP are viewing the business through an agenda.

White Wolf has always, always promoted itself as the progressive, forward thinking brand to an almost obnoxious point. oMage and oWerewolf did the same, whether it was environmentalism or the early metaphors of Technocracy. That people consider them "problematic" doesn't mean that they were somehow politically neutral or unprogressive before. OPP continues this tradition, and WW already does the same in its own, edgier way.

It's ideological, but it's the continuation of an ideology that's been close to the brand since the get go. Anyone who thinks that this is anything new or anything particularly egregious probably only became politically active when someone yelled at them on a college campus a few years ago.

>>52704473
As someone on the same ideological spectrum as SJWs, I don't have the faintest idea why I should dislike Apocalypse (I hate Ascension, but that's because I hate consensual reality).

>>52704038
>Not with *that* defeatist attitude, Anon.
>Dave confirmed for Thearch.

Why would you insult Exarch Dave?

He's an angry and fickle god, and his retribution will be terrible indeed.

>>52704850
>I'm pretty damn sure that the only entity Aspel's touched inappropriately was a cat.

I would like to know more.

>>52704864
Except I don't recall any of the old non Onyx Path books telling me what to do in things unrelated to the games with sidebars.

>>52704783
There are apparently "Changeling experts" among the Orders that regularly deal with Freeholds and venture through the Hedge.

>>52704871
The merits about "blood purity" and how easy it is to infer from mehcanics that eugenics is a valid approach to creating a superior master race should probably be something you should dislike.

There's also the dog raping.

>>52704902
You never read any of the "this is just a game, don't go out and drink people's blood" sidebars?

>>52704842

thanks a lot but... That refers to the "hedge" which isn't C-Arcadia itself? Isn't the Hedge a "passageway realm" to C-Arcadia?

>>52704980
That's more a matter of "Don't mix this game up with reality" vs "pretending the game is reality". The preachyness of OWoD was always in character. Not the author harassing you.

>>52704983
Arcadia might require Archmastery, considering the realm itself is the Gentry.

Or maybe not. Perhaps you will get lucky and the Crossover Chronicle will clarify such things.

>>52704959
>The merits about "blood purity" and how easy it is to infer from mehcanics that eugenics is a valid approach to creating a superior master race should probably be something you should dislike.
The only benefit to Pure Breed is social, IIRC, so the only benefit it gives is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Also, focusing too much on pure breeding helped drive the Silver Fangs crazy.

And the idea that "dog raping" is somehow necessary is pretty ludicrous.

>>52705019
>Crossover Chronicle

I think you mean 'Soon to be Trainwreck'

>>52704902

You missed the environmental PSAs in Werewolf books, then. They usually slipped them into the text itself.

>>52705001

>Not the author harassing you

People are so thin skinned these days. Annoyed, sure, but harassed? Come on now.

>>52705057
>Annoyed, sure, but harassed? Come on now
Have you seen how these people behave online?

>>52704259
Nah, no way man. They're views aren't necessarily naive, nor are they seen as silly or unfounded. That's why most people agree with them, to a certain extent.

Most people will tell you it makes sense for works to be inclusive, and feature characters that aren't necessarily white, but will get annoyed if you "Ugh, this show only has white leads? It's shit for sure"

>>52705057
>They usually slipped them into the text itself.
Which for some reason are almost always presented as some character talking or other wise presenting the text.
Its still annoying, but its not nearly as bad as being addressed out of character as the reader and being told how I should do something unrelated to game. Though in all honesty Goat Fucker's side bar about what to eat at a game I found just as annoying as being told about pronouns from his little private circle of friends that has no broad application to anyone outside of it.

>>52705019
>Perhaps you will get lucky and the Crossover Chronicle will clarify such things.

Crossover Chronicles, soon to be released at GenCon 2047...

So what exists inside the Gauntlet? Is it like the Hedge a mini-realm?

>>52705166
It use to be Pangea, now its more of a barrier than a realm, things do live inside it though, I think it was covered in Summoners? But I'm not sure what they were called.

>>52705121

So it's better if the author uses a character as a mouthpiece as opposed to a sidebar? That sounds worse to me. At least I can forget about the sidebar, it's a little harder to ignore Max Wizardton turning his cap around to rap at me about gentrification.

>>52705223
That's really interesting.

>>52705121
I see sidebar I can ignore sidebar. I read text as a character talking then this paints my perception of the character and what he stands for.

>>52705232
Yes, in fact almost the entirety of Apocalypse was that, and its a fun game. Partially because of the very likely actually held views of the author about the evils of corporations (and probably science).

Does anyone here care about Requiem for Rome? It's probably the game I'd most want to play.

>>52704959
In context, though, what you call dog raping is not bestiality but a wolf consensually mating with what is in fact a member of their species.
Unless you start making jokes about homid and crinos forms fucking wolves but then it's your mind that should leave the gutter.
To be honest Vampire is a lot closer to a metaphor for sexual deviancy than Werewolf.
And the argument that werewolves promote eugenics is absurd. Werewolves need to watch who they fuck to avoid extinction, which is actually happening.

>>52705347
>what you call dog raping is not bestiality

>rape/bestiality apologist

>>52705347
You forget about Metis! Who have the most wonderful frenzies.
>Metis Garou in Thrall will rape fallen packmembers and foes and engage in necrophilia. This is attributed to the influence of the Defiler Wyrm ."

>>52705319

It's very good. Forsaken by Rome is a great setting to go along with it, even if the timelines aren't evenly aligned.

>>52705380
Yeah, well, werewolves do fucked up shit. Homid eat people, alive or dead. In fact sometimes they don't even need a bad roll to decide for it!
Frankly the Lupus have it easy.

>>52705406
Are you for or against the possibility of saving the Camarilla/paganism/the Empire/etc?

>>52705377
>sees two dogs mating
>STOP THE BESTIALITY WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
You don't even have to mate with wolves unless you were born as one. No one is pressuring you into shit.
Again, compare with Vampire. How often do characters engage in casual assault, sexual or otherwise, because it's more convenient to feed that way?