Modern Mardu will never be a real deck, they said. It's

>>52672854
>Not symmetrical

Does WoTC even playtest anymore? Because this card is beyond broken.

>>52672854
Eidolon on Steroids. It doesn't even ping the controller

>>52674008
I welcome red getting good cards

>>52672854
A 2/2 for 2 that shocks your opponent for activating non-mana abilities.

Who the hell decided that this casting cost was okay? Even 2R would have been a better argument than this.

>>52674292
Especially considering the top decks in standard that rely on activated abilities of artifacts

>>52672854
Neat. Now I might have a reason to splash red in DnT again. Even can get it with recruiter.

>>52672854
FETCHLANDS
E
T
C
H
E
S

>>52672854
The card isn't that great. You can hurt them through fetch lands, but pretty much everything is ETB, not so much with abilities. It does help against Spellskite for Red though

>>52675147
there's a lot of activated abilities in modern you're not considering.

>>52675147

>Card isn't that great, only good vs Fetchlands

DO YOU KNOW WHAT SENSEI'S DIVINING TOP DOES???

>>52675147
Bruh, if your opponent doesn't remove him immediately, this WILL deal 4-6 damage through fetches to your average deck, not even counting any other activated abilities. Either you have a must-answer creature to get your opponent's removal out, or you have a super fast clock.

>>52672854
We gonna see a rise in Boros Burn over Naya because of this? You'll want to cut down on the number of fetches in your deck for facing it in the mirror after all.

File: 66547_200w.jpg (29KB, 200x288px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 200x288px

I think Deathrite Shaman is in for an unpleasant surprise when he finds out who is in his bed.

>Egyptian Plane
>80% of the characters are Nubian

Why?

>>52675560
You know why.

>>52674479
If you are already in red, Imperial Recruiter also gets it.

>>52675560
It's the third age

>>52675560
WE

>>52675560
Look anon, we know. But really, you gotta just give them this one thing. I mean, it's all they have, okay? I get complaining about innistrad or theros or kaladesh but this is the one thing they have. And yes, historically the nubians were a small part of egypt and kinda ran it into the ground in the end, but it's really the only well-documented mythos they have. Just let it slide, anon. Let it go.

>>52675147
We'll let's look at what he hits
>fetches
>man lands
>aether vial
>ghost Quarter/tectonic edge
>ruins kikki jikki decks
>ruins affinity
>walking ballista
>eldrazi displacer
>tasigur
>ruins abzan coco combo
>krak clan combo is gone too
>masoleum wanderer
>ezuri
>neonate
>mishra's Bauble
>horizon Canopy
>grim lavamancer
>endbriner
>expedition map
>scavenging ooze
>sea gate wreckage
>drowner of hope
>engineered explosives
>cursecatcher
>knight of the Reliquary
>spellskite

>>52675255

It is a card that must be answered.

>>52675845
don't forget lantern's mill rocks

Remember those threads where we discussed the "signature" 2drop in each color?
W SFM U Snappy B bob G goyf

Reds card was usually either bolt, which doesn't fit, or young pyromancer, which never felt quite right next to the other 4.

Guys is this card Reds answer? The best 1R that can stand next to goyf/sfm/snappy/bob?

>>52676295
Lmao, no.
There are plenty of matches where this is just a 2 mana 2/2
Gofy/snappy/bob arre always doing something every time they hit the board.

>>52676295
really i think pyro fits

>>52672854
Not even a mythic, or a 2/1, could it be, did wizards print a good card?

>>52672854
I'm kind of sad that it doesn't hit enchantments. Red deserves more Aura Barb style effects.

>>52676472
They wanted to prevent it from hitting Planeswalkers, but didn't want to print "non-Planeswalker permanents" and these kinds of things look best in threes.

>>52676295
>W SFM U Snappy B bob G goyf

>tfw white's card is the only banned one
>tfw white can never have anything good outside of Standard

>>52676556
Personally, I do,wish they just made it "permanents", but I get why they didn't. It's plenty strong on it's own.

Can't wait to try it out in Modern Burn. I've got 5 flex slots anyway, so i think I'll try 1- 4 in the 75 and see what I like.

>>52672854

Modern Playable/10.

File: I wonder who's behind this plane.jpg (34KB, 850x500px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 850x500px

>>52672854
>Red Bear
>With upside

>>52672854
This really should cost RR at a minimum. Holy shit this is pushed.

>>52675544
I don't get it.

File: 1e8edc15524af8384b8e81c753b8b2ea.jpg (630KB, 720x1080px) Image search: [Google]

630KB, 720x1080px

>>52675797
It'd be cooler to give black people their real mythos.

>>52675560
Okay, Samut and...?

File: file.png (721KB, 1517x837px) Image search: [Google]

721KB, 1517x837px

>>52676744
Wrong side of the continent.

>>52676744
>Mansa Musa
... where did I hear that name before...

Oh shit he's the guy who was so rich that when he was doing his pilgrimage, the Egyptians ripped him off so much that it ruined the economy.

Gold was devalued in the region for an entire decade.

>>52676766
I know what I posted. I'd rather have a Ghana/Mali/Songhai block filled with black people than an Egyptian block with a whole lot of black people.

>>52676805
When he was doing his pilgrimage he was throwing the gold around for charity. The egyptians didn't rip him off, but he did wreck the value of gold across the sahara, so he bought it back with interest to try and fix it. Then a lot of the gold ended up in the hand of italian traders who took it to Europe and ended up so wealthy they funded artists and scientists. You should know what happened next.

>>52676841
Who are these "whole lot of black people"?

I see Samut, and if I squint Hapatra might be black even though I wouldn't say so, but who else?

>>52676862
Shut up, I just want a Songhai block.

>>52672854
>4x Swiftspear monk
>4x Goblin Guide
>4x Harsh Mentor
>28x burn spells
>20x Mountains
Harsh mentor is objectively better then Eidolon of the great revel in every possible way.

Hell, splash black and white for blood artist and lingering souls and go the midrange/aristocrat route and with boros reckoner and blasphemous act for extra hilarity.

>>52676841
>Then a lot of the gold ended up in the hand of italian traders who took it to Europe and ended up so wealthy they funded artists and scientists. You should know what happened next.
What does that have to do with anything? Musa funded tons of schools and scholars himself. The Italians didn't need to do it for him a hundred or so years later. Timbuktu was big shit.

>>52676913
Actual african empires are verboten since they all made a ton of their money off of selling other africans as slaves.

>>52676923
How can one person be so garbage at magic.

>>52676862
All of them, anon. ALL OF THEM. If you can't see it, it just means you've been brainwashed like all the rest.

>>52676933
>why we will never have an American plane

File: 1475499181676.png (2MB, 744x2256px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 744x2256px

>>52676933
A TON of their money? You can't think of any other major contributions to that wealth? Are you retarded?

>>52676925
Oh yeah, Musa was awesome for that. Timbuktu was a legendary center of learning.
What I was saying was that his charity accidentally funded the start of the Renaissance, despite him never setting foot in Europe.

>>52676933
Mali was powerful due to mostly gold and salt trading, as well as being a really big trade hub irregardless. Besides, slaves are part of what Egypt is famous for anyway. They just made them zombies instead.

>>52676960
We totally could. We just need to remind Wizards that half of the buckaroo cowboys were hispanic or black

>>52672854
I just want to play this and Bob and all the good cheap removal in mardu and call it a deck BUT IM NOT ALLOWED TO AM I BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A BAD DECK AND I WOULD LOSE GAMES RIGHT RIGHT YOU FUCKING FUCKS

>>52676744
(Insert Kamigawa Lore argument here)

>>52676967
I never said it was all of it. Just that enough of it came from that for people to not want to address it. I know they made an absolute killing on gold and salt too

>>52676967
Why didn't he warn them about kappa main prey being girl for him to rape

>>52677099
>I never said it was all of it.
And I didn't say that you said all of it. But mate everyone sold slaves back in the day. Unless it was their ONLY thing it wouldn't factor into basing it as an influence to a mythical magical fictional plot of land.

File: Eidolon of the Great Revel_JOU.jpg (65KB, 312x445px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 312x445px

>>52676923
Harsh Mentor does not replace Eidolon. The fact you don't realize this is a bad thing.

>>52677177

Correct. Maybe worth a consideration for Grim Lavamancer?

And it could have some legs in legacy etc

>>52672854
this is at best a sideboard card in modern. there are lots of decks that this doesn't do anything to

File: file.png (274KB, 559x373px) Image search: [Google]

274KB, 559x373px

Is this the spoiler thread?

>>52677589
has synergy with mana dorks. I don't know which deck would want this

File: Tooth and Nail_MR.jpg (67KB, 312x445px) Image search: [Google]

67KB, 312x445px

>>52677713
I'm guessing Tooth and Nail, maybe Ponza? I don't know what they would cut.

File: file.png (176KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

176KB, 265x370px

>Best god gets best looking masterpiece

>>52677589
Looks powerful in the right deck, but realistically it'll probably only see play in casual and EDH.

Turn 2 with a single mana dork ramping for 1 isn't terrible, but if you really want to abuse it you need lots of creatures and that's not happening before turn 4 at the earliest. And then you lose.

>>52676704
Cruel mentor is in his bed.

>>52677927
>and that's not happening before turn 4 at the earliest. And then you lose.
standard's turn 4?

regardless, it'd be great in sealed too

>>52677944
>standard's turn 4?
Copy cat.

>>52677951
People get to copy cat on turn 4?

>>52677944
>>52677951
Also standard doesn't have a 1cmc mana dork, so it's ramping for 1 (mayyyybe 2) on turn 3 at the earliest.

If you want early-game ramp there's probably a better card than this one. Its real potential is in getting 3+ lands and I don't know what deck be able to reliably do that. Elves, I guess?

>>52677957
That's what I hear. I'm not going anywhere near Standard, personally.

>>52677109
I thought kappas wanted little boys

File: Gideon-of-the-Trials-Amonkhet-Spoiler.png (170KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

170KB, 265x370px

>>52677589
I've been thinking, lately WoTC has been designing Planeswalkers with Ultimates based on Magic's Story. For example, Liliana the Last Hope summons up her army of Zombies, and Nahiri the Harbinger summons everyone's favorite flying spaghetti monster and destroyer of planes.

So, what if Gideon's Platinum Angel-esque ability foreshadows something in the story?

That ability seems almost like Gideon's last stand; the Gatewatch cannot lose as long as Gideon lives. Could this mean the Bolas is going to kill Gideon??

>>52678068
Nah, that's Kappa SIGMAS.

>>52678318
HEY-YOOOO!

>>52678308

God, I hope so.

>>52678308
>Magic's Story
Ugh.

>So, what if Gideon's Platinum Angel-esque ability foreshadows something in the story?
See that new card Gideon's Intervention: his ultimate ability depicts his ability to defend people because, you know, he's basically a paladin. It's just what he does. Big whoop.

If he dies, I'd be upset only because he hasn't had a significant character arc. He's a very flat character, and offing him before he's had any real development would reek of Wizards simply trying to up the stakes with drama. I don't care about the character. I don't care if Bolas wins or loses. I do care about Wizards' ability to tell a coherent story, and they never fail to disappoint. Let the guy reconcile with his faith, you don't need to kill him off to do that.

>>52677923
>implying any of these masterpieces look good
whatever you tell yourself, buddy.

>>52676584
I think stoneforge mystic doesn't really fit in either, since it is more of a build around card.

>>52678505
Hazoret looks really good
Rhonas looks slightly better I think (also green bias)
Oketra's isn't good because she's too small in her own art
Bontu's is ok but most of his figure is in shadow
Kefnet's is pretty decent

>>52678308
>So, what if Gideon's Platinum Angel-esque ability foreshadows something in the story?
I think it's closer to worship.

A literal fan-boy effect -in game- for playing Gideon cards if you will.

>>52678308
Thus far the only walker that proactively buffs future walker cards.

File: IMG_6094.png (123KB, 223x311px) Image search: [Google]

123KB, 223x311px

>>52677589

>>52678454
MTGGoldfish staff have suspected that gideon will die in amonkhet block for a while. After seeing his 3rd ability, I'm inclined to agree with them.

>>52677589
That's the same condition as Throne of the God King. I wonder if there are enough Tapped Creatures matters cards to make a deck.

>>52678641
You just crew all your creatures into the same vehicle

>>52677957

Copy cat turn 4 only works if you aren't pressuring them at all

They much prefer to play felidar first then Saheeli turn 5

>>52678308
>>52678629
I've been expecting Gideon to die for quite some time, there's not enough room for 2 cis pigs on the Jacetice league. Wotc is going to kill off Gideon and bring back Elsepth some time in the future.

Ajani might kick the bucket in the near future, replaced with a female landwhale planeswalker, probably a loxodon.

>>52678771
Shitelf is simic now, there's a chance we're getting Garruk back.

Or hell, literally any mono-green planeswalker. As long as they aren't a black mammy who loves nature and shiiiiiiit they can't be worse than Nissa.

>>52678786
I fucking hate Garruk even more than the jacetice league

File: approachofthesecondsun1.jpg (39KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 265x370px

I'm thinking some sort of U/W control deck with this as the win-con wouldn't be half bad.

>>52678805
for what purpose

>>52678786
But Garruk has gone full golgari.

If Wotc ever releases a new mono green planeswalker its definitely going to be some strong and independent (and sassy) loxodon who needs no man, this way it opens up the possibility of releasing selesnya version of her for more empowered and socially progressive characters to join the jacetice league.

>>52678846
>But Garruk has gone full golgari.
they're working on that. they've been working on that for years actually. With soon to be 3/4 of lili's demon's dead we're one step closer to doing something with the chain veil and that directly ties with garruk

>>52678810
Just run all the lifegain spells in standard with a few of the white board wipes

>>52678810
Blessed alliance will be your bff.

>>52678786
>As long as they aren't a black mammy who loves nature and shiiiiiiit they can't be worse than Nissa.

That sounds awesome

>>52678786
Chandra is already worse than nissa

>>52679055
Chris whatever got fired and I'm hoping they'll stop writing her like a literally retarded 13 year old.

>>52679066
Was he the one who wrote the intro story to amonkhet where they were in the desert and it kept switching perspectives?

File: file.png (267KB, 1209x405px) Image search: [Google]

267KB, 1209x405px

>>52679078
No he's the one who wrote the intro to kaladesh (and another 2 in kaladesh I think) that started the trend of chandra having the mind of a retarded 13 year old.

Gitrog was kind of entertaining because of how cliche it was and the Kaladesh story was probably exactly as mediocre as the rest of them.

The intro wasn't good or anything, but outside of chandra's retardation it was passable.

>>52679078
No. That was Michael Yichao.

also it did show us giant sandworms and i'm a sucker for giant sandworms

god i hope the sandworm is good, or legendary, or both

File: file.png (277KB, 567x380px) Image search: [Google]

277KB, 567x380px

I don't have a source for chris whatever getting fired, it was just someone on here saying they didn't renew his contract. I doubt there's an official way to find out.

Also, new card.

Is this maindeckable in mono-red burn or is it strictly sideboard?

>>52679120

Somebody posted their fake 20/20 Vanilla Legendary mythic sandworm today. It was simply too good to be true.

>>52679169
I know, I saw it. I got really excited for half a second and then realized it screamed fake with the blurry sideways no es fake look.

File: 1474202694176.png (156KB, 228x320px) Image search: [Google]

156KB, 228x320px

>>52679141
>WotC are now copying Hearthstone

Have we come full circle

>>52679141
Looks good in the hellbent deck if that sees play.

>>52679141
I really like this card

>>52679178
I'm not gonna do a gatherer search but I doubt this is the first time that kind of card has been made.

Though with their "dinosaur" expansion they did just copy the quests from zendikar.

File: 206[1].jpg (62KB, 312x445px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 312x445px

>>52679178
>>52679205
Of course it isn't the first time.

>>52679141

>4/3 for 1R
>Activates Rhonas
>Puts you closer to activating Hazoret
>Is a 4/3 for 1R

Yeah okay I'm sold.

>>52679141
You know Modern does have a red version of Arrogant Wurm

>>52679246
>>52679141

the power creep in creatures has been pretty absurd.

File: file.png (150KB, 226x311px) Image search: [Google]

150KB, 226x311px

>>52679294
that's because creatures used to be complete dogshit

>>52679293
that would only happen until turn 5 so, not good. still, our minotaur friend here has potential for standard

>>52674178
THIS.. fucking finally. i feel like we red players always get the shit end of the stick

>>52679329
>tfw izzet mage

>>52679299
lol the cards not even bad what are you talking about? its literally just overcosted.

>>52679299
I'd still first pick that in draft

>>52679341
>the card's not even bad it's overcosted
are you normally this stupid

>>52679141
this is super fucking good

>>52679299
Shivan Dragon is a bad example to use, since it was one of the best creatures of the early Magic and even now is actually pretty close to being "fine".

>>52679293
It's called Reckless Wurm

File: 1488102139184.jpg (60KB, 498x750px) Image search: [Google]

60KB, 498x750px

>>52679141
>3 toughness
Into the trashbin it goes.

>>52679415

You're right, it should be a 6/5 for 2.

>>52679423
If it was 3/4 it would have been playable.

File: graspingdunes[1].jpg (35KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

35KB, 265x370px

Oh baby oh baby,
what do I see?
Removal on Land
In a deck playing B

>>52679487
>Sorcery speed

Zzzzzzzzzz

>>52679485

Dies to Doom Blade, utter trash

>>52679487
"Sacrifice CARDNAME". Pretty garbage.

>>52679415
There are pieces for a deck in standard that actively wants 1 or better yet, 0 cards in hand.

File: 1490940134425-fit.jpg (37KB, 706x706px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 706x706px

>>52675797
>tfw Wizards finally gave red a good two drop purely so it could get a nigger into the limelight of nearly every format

>>52679487
wow thats bad, especially compared to quicksand

>>52679487

As close to a 2 for 1 you'll get with Revolt triggers.

File: file.png (175KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

175KB, 265x370px

New

>>52672854
Now print it again with less shit art.

>>52675255

6 damage attached to a 2 drop stick sounds pretty awesome.

>>52680057
Great art

>>52679588
>Being this affected by the color of ink they use for a nameless fictional character printed on a piece of paper.

I hope to god this is just bait.

>>52680057

Neat

>>52680057
wtf, why do they keep saying "cylce or discarded"

cycling is discarding, it literally says that in the reminder text

>>52680115
playtesters are stupid, stupid people

i think it's a contractional obligation, go look at some of valve's comments on it

>>52680115
Because their playtesters didn't get that cycling worked with discard triggers.

>>52680131
>>52680130
how can people be that fucking retarded? The text on the card says cycling: cost (cost, DISCARD THIS CARD: draw a card). I cant believe somebody could actually not grasp this simple concept, and now we have to suffer with unnecessarily verbose and redundant card text

>>52680057
Favorite card so far.

>>52680115
would it not work with cards like cryptbreaker that have to discard a card to activate their effect? That's the only reason I think it says both

>>52680216
No it works with that too.

File: Reforge the Soul_AVR.jpg (57KB, 312x445px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 312x445px

>>52680057
Seems really fun with Waste Not.

>>52680216
the point is that it doesn't need to include the word cycling, since cycling is just another way to discard a card

>>52675205
It does literally nothing in modern.

>>52678786
Ajani goes monogreen in next set and stays that way

File: newperspectives.jpg (45KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

45KB, 265x370px

>>52680057
Combo?

>>52680259
Everything is fun with Waste Not, it's one of the coolest cards ever printed.

>>52680373
>Designed by the Magic community
So we can do nice things after all

Despite previous misgivings going off of some of the spoiled "story point" cards I'm cautiously optimistic towards the amonkhet story after reading yesterday's.

Chandra even managed to act like a normal human being for a bit and Nissa has a use.

>>52680401
Really surprising in a way. If you would have asked me what the community would come up with I would have assumed some OP insta-banned flavorless unoriginal 5 color legendary that's unstoppable in all formats. But no, it's one of the most flavorful, flexible, and creative cards ever printed imo. I want to build a deck around it right now, any format.

>>52674479
red is gaining traction right now off the strength of magus of the moon. this little duderino here almost assuredly seats RW Taxes as the top list unless your name is Craig Wescoe and can just beat everyone with OG mono-white despite being at an extreme disadvantage in the rw tax vs mono-white taxes match.

>>52680300

Besides completely shut down Lantern Control, and a large part of Affinity, and Kiki Jiki if it ever makes a comeback. Besides the general hosing of fetch lands, which definitely don't see play in modern.

>>52680457
Shock is not modern playable.

2 mana Shock is also not modern playable.

>>52679334
Izzet for life mang

You got those hot prowess decks and the most artifact synergy with these colors, so its the best of both worlds.

>>52680472

2 mana shock + duress your fatal push ****

>>52680472

How can you be so bad at Magic that you think Shock and repeatable shock on legs are the same thing?

Do you even know what modern is? Or what modern burn, which features Eidolon of the Great Revel, is?

>>52680115
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/159197668438/i-understand-the-need-to-clarify-that-cycling-was#notes


Same reason we can't have untap.

>>52680457
I think the "it does literally nothing in modern" comment was referring to Diving Top, not Mentor.

>>52680472
It's a lot more playable when your opponent had to spend removal on it to stop getting shocked. It's a must-answer card in quite a few matchups.

When will /tg/ stop using "dies to removal" as an argument against a creature's power?

>>52680508
Kind of hard for a card to do something in a format that it is banned in.

>>52680523
It's a legit concern if there is a substantial investment in the creature. I'm not so sure 2 mana is a substantial investment.

>>52680201
WotC play testing has shown that when people believe they know what a card does they skip reminder texts.

>>52680363
Too expensive, there's better 8 mana 2 card combos that don't make you need other cards to go off. Might as well just play scapeshift

File: utzTCyo[1].png (200KB, 490x355px) Image search: [Google]

200KB, 490x355px

>>52680525

>>52678570
ok so turn 1 1 cmc creature
turn 2 rite, tap that creature for another 1 cmc creature (?)
turn 3 uh assuming they didnt get rid of anything, tap two creatures for 2 to play another 2 creatures, play harvest season for 2 more lands
turn 4 you have 2 cards in hand, 5 lands (+ you can play one more if you have it), and 4 mana dorks. so thats 9-10 mana available, plus 1-2 cards in your hand. i guess then you tooth and nail but is that even that good? theres more reliable hypothetical turn 4 tooth and nail ramp.

>>52680086
>le reductionism

>>52680549
Well, that combo is in the same set. I should have specified that I didn't mean for Modern play.

>>52680496
Eidolon requires taking a Shock to remove, last I checked I didn't need to crack my fetches turn 3 to cast Bolt.

>>52680523
I agree that in some matchups it's amazing, but the argument that it's playable solely because it shocks when you fetch is not sound enough.

>>52677923
Bontu's is very nice too.

>>52680653
>because it shocks when you fetch

Or when you use any activated ability. Which, if you didn't know, consists of a good amount of the most prominent cards in the most prominent decks in both Modern and Legacy.

And your analogy of it just being Shock is still retarded.

>>52672854
kangz

>>52680737

Very insightful post, I'm sure you feel very fulfilled by posting that

LOL Already preselling at $11.99 and Wizards still wonders why people are off on new sets and Standard.

>>52680729
I think what he's saying is that when we look at worst case scenario, Eidolon seems to deal at least 2 damage when he's played. Mentor can end up being do nothing. It's not fair comparison though.

I'm probably going to switch to boros burn for a while with this tho.

>>52680762

I get that, it's just that looking at things only in the worst case scenario is usually a bad idea. It's the mentality that breeds stupid shit like "dies to removal"

>>52680762
>Play Eidolon
>Opponent casts t3 Karn
I think this is the worst cast scenario, mentor would be better in it. Eidolon's definitely better overall though.

>>52680781

Yup, it's much more useful to figuring out expected value. And by that I think Eidolon will always be supreme for every deck playing 3cmc or less costing cards after you windslam Eidolon on table.

It's quite stupid to argue over if Mentor is playable or not. We will figure it out very soon anyway. People will play it no matter what we say and it will either show results or not.

>>52680783
Eidolon and Mentor are both useless against a Karn.

>>52680836
Yeah but at least mentor does something in that situation.

File: 701.jpg (26KB, 400x562px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 400x562px

>>52680057

>>52680856
Does what exactly?

>>52680737
queenz

>>52680878
2 damage to their face

>>52680878
>>52680888
Never mind I forgot it didn't activate on planeswalkers. Should've read the card better.

>>52680057
Legacy storm? Allows you to go off without rituals if you have 2 mana, tutor and LEDs.

File: IMG_0247.jpg (55KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

55KB, 265x370px

Should have cost 2 each that, that'd be fine, idk take away vigilence

>>52679141
>no haste
Unplayable

>>52679141
>literally always a 2 for 1 when it gets its shit bolted
Maybe it'll be okay in standard but this is just trash in modern

File: 1200px-Wizards_of_the_Coast_logo.svg.png (164KB, 1200x776px) Image search: [Google]

164KB, 1200x776px

>>52680969
>Should have cost 2 each
why would you want 2 good cards staples together to make a great card when you could have 2 shit cards stapled together to make another shit card instead

>>52681063
Raise the alarm and a 2 mana bone splinters wouldn't even be great, just versatile and decent imo. Seriously there were so many thing they could have done to at least make this playable, but of course they didn't

>>52680987
Implying the discard is downside.

>>52680328
>furfag abandons his white heritage
This game is so fucking pozzed.

>>52681109
>Card disadvantage is an upside
Really making me think here

>>52681130
Anon, run it with fiery temper.
Fuck >>52680057 will make RB madness really real and not just a joke.

>>52681152
>run this bad cards with more bad cards
I see

>>52681152
You can't cast Temper for its Madness cost and bring it back with Shadow. Remember, Madness puts the cards in exile between you discarding them and casting them. The game won't see it as the same card.

>>52681198
Riiiight. My bad.

>>52680432
Is that what you think of Forgotten Ancient, Crucible of Worlds and Vanish into Memory, the three predecessors?

Worth considering that the contest was heavily regulated though. I don't really remember how, and wizard's shitty digital management means I can't look it up either, but I think they picked like 8 submissions or so to choose between.

I forgot what I submitted. I remember thinking it was a neat card, but with the forums being nuked who really knows.

>>52681063
What makes me angry is that even if both halves costed 2 it still wouldn't be a groundbreaking card in any format. I will still pick this up in limited, the only difference is that I'll feel more bad about doing so.

File: ThoughtSupression.png (1MB, 750x1046px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 750x1046px

>>52681335
They did a series of votes, deciding the color and type of card, which ended up being Black and Enchantment, obviously. Then they opened up submissions for ideas of what a Black Enchantment should do. After that, they picked a top 16 from the entire list of submissions, then narrowed it down from 8 for the players to chose.

I know about the top 16 stage because they emailed me to tell me mine made it into top 16, but it didn't manage to get through to top 8.

>>52677923
>irhoras the irdomitablei
???

>>52681679
It clearly says Irhoras the Irdomctablei

>>52678454
>Russel Crowe Paladin wielding whips and fist weapons.
Sounds pretty fun desu Ill roll that next session

>>52675560
Its ok to replace races and cultures as long its with blacks or muzies.

t. Anti racist liberal

>>52677923
I prefer the normal frames with the normal art for the gods. They all look better there, while in the masterpieces they look tiny.

>>52681455
I remember this card. I wish we had gotten that instead of the shitty waste of time we actually got.

File: oketrasattendant.jpg (40KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

40KB, 265x370px

Not a fantastic card but I think the combination of abilities is neat.

>>52682708
That's a neat card. Seems fair.

>>52672854
is this..dare I say, the 2cmc drop red was waiting this whole time? Can he join the 2cmc table with Snappy, Tarmo, Stone forge and..... which was black's 2cmc drop?

>>52682855
Dark confidant.

>>52682855
I'd think so. Stoneforge is banned in Modern tho. I'd say Leonin Arbiter is more the white creature.

>>52682708

>birdtits

noice

>>52682708
Stupid good for limited, not so much anywhere else
>>52682917
Divination that cost one more to make it instant speed and the flexability of cycling for U is actually not bad.

>>52683042
Its essentially an instant speed draw 2. Just that one of the cards is always a 5 drop 3/3 flyer.

File: cascadingcataracts.jpg (43KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 265x370px

Woaaah

>>52683141
Sexy edh card

>>52683141
I'd fuck with this.

>>52683141
Holy shit
Best art of the set?

>>52683141
But why indestructible though

>>52683185
Because gods? Idunno.

>>52683141
>Indestructable Shimmering Grotto on steroids
I can dig it.
Like the flavor too.

>>52680057
Reminder that this is non-synergy with Madness

>>52683185
Could be they thought the 5-for-5 wasn't quite enough for a rare but too good an ability to put on an uncommon.

File: file.png (144KB, 223x310px) Image search: [Google]

144KB, 223x310px

>>52683141
Super Crystal Quarry eh?

>>52683141

>not legendary

wut

>>52683141
they just gave tron access to every color

File: 1447695593106.jpg (39KB, 600x568px) Image search: [Google]

39KB, 600x568px

>>52683363

>>52683141
Every Gx Tron players just came.
I know I did

Why not run both this nigger and eidolon in the same deck and call it a day

>>52680737
kang of my heart

>>52683363
>>52683363
Well how else are you going to cast that Hour of Devastation Bolas in modern? (hint, the answer is Oath of Nissa).

>>52683185
I'm going to assume there is a flavor reason that will be revealed to Vorthos later on (or maybe already, I'm not up to date on lore)

>>52683185
Mythic MLD spell in the next set

>>52683788
MLD?

>>52684100
Mass Land Destruction. Something you Standard babbies wouldn't know about from the Good Ol' Days.

File: IMG_6690.jpg (38KB, 223x310px) Image search: [Google]

38KB, 223x310px

>>52683788
You know it's just going to be pic related, right?

>>52684192
>your dog...
Guess what comes after.

>>52684291
daughter?

>>52684324
Likely.

File: 1489387240398.png (302KB, 458x274px) Image search: [Google]

302KB, 458x274px

>>52683363
>>52683377
>>52683394
Can confirm, as a G/x Tron player I am excited to try this out.

>>52681847
That's a major problem with Oketra's art and kind of them in general. They're too small in their own art for the masterpieces

>>52683495
Holy tempo Batman an actual good split card in this set.
>>52683509
Is this the first one we've seen with the aftermath at instant speed, but not the top half?
>>52684192
Are you not ok with that?

>>52684341
I'm pretty sure I saw a Mana Source lore video that actually went over this. This fluff was back when Magic had books (and not the online short stories).

>>52683509
aside from the rare is this the only ramp spell we've seen so far?

File: IMG_6692.png (121KB, 223x311px) Image search: [Google]

121KB, 223x311px

>>52684539
I am. We won't get the best flavor text though.
>"Something something meddling Gatewatch!"

>>52684542
I know, too bad it's hard to find most of them online, I would love to read The Thran or Ice Age era books.

>>52683143

I can't wait to get this as my promo card at the pre-release... twice!

>>52683315
>play monoblack in invasion/odyssey standard with cabal coffers and this
>wincon is Last Stand

File: sandwurm convergence.png (180KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

180KB, 265x370px

new card

>>52684916
too expensive for basically every format.

Even in EDH 7 mana should have a better effect.

>>52684927
Fuck you I'm doing wurm tribal the second we get a wurm legend hopefully this set or the next

>>52684927
Well I have good news for you then: it actually costs EIGHT mana!

>>52684978
Not sure how I misread that.

>>52684916
Wurmsign!

>>52684456
What exactly are you going to do with it?

>>52685036
Cast color-intensive things. I don't know. Maybe Nicol Bolas?

>>52685058
Seems bad man. Tron online + cataracts nets you 7 mana, 5 of which in any combination. Bolas costs 8. I dont see how this is any particular boon for tron.

>>52683143
>Opponent plays an invocation bomb against you in prerelease.
>You play this but you can't read the text.

File: file.png (210KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

210KB, 265x370px

Neato

>>52685260
Red (pseudo) extra-turn gamble effects!

>>52685260
Ha welcome back Last Chance. You look different.

>>52685260
wonder how much foils will be

>>52685260
Final Fortune got a boob job.

>>52685324
It won't see any constructed play 100% so i guess it will drop sub $10 very fast

>>52685457
final fortune doesnt let your opponent untap

File: gideonofthetrials.jpg (47KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

47KB, 265x370px

>>52685260
Can't wait to use this with pic related

>>52685538
I believe that's the intended combo, yes.

>>52679492

It's still a very good land. It enters untapped, and can be recycled with graveyard galore

>>52685526
Nor does it act as a pseudo counterspell.

>>52685601
You don't need to counter any spell if the opponent can't cast them

>>52681130

>oh look, a cheap threat that enables madness, dredge and graveyard combos

File: absolutely disgusting.jpg (118KB, 980x552px) Image search: [Google]

118KB, 980x552px

>>52684192

>posting the shit flavor one

>>52685621
Don't be such a Debbie downer.

>>52684927
Eh, it's going into my jank/intro rare RUG deck that I play so I don't trigger people, only shit in there is ramp, some basic removal and jank rares or stuff from intro decks.

>>52675560

Because you're an idiot who thinks ancient civilisations were racially divided. Also, most archaeologists agree that paintings showing egyptians with a different skin color from nubians are racist edits made by arabs.

>>52675570
>>52675668
>>52675775
>>52681830

Kill yourselves with a spoon

>>52685843

>Also, most archaeologists agree that paintings showing egyptians with a different skin color from nubians are racist edits made by arabs.

I'd like them to explain the various different Egyptian sculptures where some show people with Nubian features and some show with non-Nubian features. I'd also like them to explain the reasons for various genetic DNA markers showing based on DNA tests of ancient Egyptians it turns out that there were strong markers in some of these tests that were predominant from Asiatic and Mediterranean people.

Turns out that Ancient Egypt was actually quite ethnically diverse and the majority were not Nubians.

>>52680115
Cycling involves discarding but discarding doesn't always involve cycling. Try to keep up.

>>52685843
Yeah it makes no sense for them to be the same ethnicity as the guys who lived on their borders.

>>52676841
Gold dosent make nations wealthy anon, it's just currency

>>52685987
>>52680115
No it's actually because 'cycling' is defined in the comp rules as discarding a card for the cost of a cycling activation.
Yeah. You read that right. Look it up.

It's a fucking retarded and confusing shoehorn.
Oldfags who are used to it like to feel smart though.

>>52686243
>No it's actually because 'cycling' is defined in the comp rules as discarding a card for the cost of a cycling activation.
yea, discarding
cycling is inheremtly discarding, that's the whole point

File: playtesters strike again.jpg (68KB, 719x512px) Image search: [Google]

68KB, 719x512px

>>52686243
>it's actually because 'cycling' is defined in the comp rules
No. It's entirely because playtesters didn't get that cycling triggered those cards. Speaking of, I'm sure they're looking to hire.

>>52686585

I'm reminded of reading about Half Life 2 testers where there was one guy who ended up looping around in one place for like 30 minutes, and other "Where do they find these people?" type shit.

>>52680590
You can play the wurm enchantment and get a 5/5!

>>52678454
Thinking about it more, even if he dies, there is a very real chance he'll get a significant character arc on his way out. The dude is on a lot of spotlight cards.

>>52679299
its still good in limited

>>52680432
It's from a contest. WotC goes through and picks the cream of the crop and we vote on our favorite of the ones they offer.

>>52683276
Quite on the contrary though? You Madness shit out of your hand and then fill your hand back up so you can do it all over again.

>>52684648
thats slick as hell man. I kinda wish I had thought of that.

>>52690633
No, madness causes the card to go to exile and when it leaves exile and goes to the grave it's no longer the same object.

File: vizierofdeferment.jpg (45KB, 265x370px) Image search: [Google]

45KB, 265x370px

So... think UW Flash might get to be a thing again?

*sighs*

Just play standard guys. Modern is the SAME few decks and nothing else. Dumb.

File: ur a dumb cunt m8.jpg (22KB, 400x400px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 400x400px

>>52692060
Standard is literally 2 decks right now. At least in modern you have your choice of 12 flavors of midrange, aggro, and combo.

>>52692133
Ugh, just don't want to take out a loan for a playset of Goyf.

It may be only 2 decks, but at least they're NEW cards.

>>52692351
>playing goyf in modern
Have you considered building something that's been updated in the last 4 years?

>>52692351
Oh, I think I understand. You just want to play midrange. Eww. No wonder you prefer Standard.

>>52692697
Fuck off dude.

>>52693048
You modern cucks just want aggro. Want me to change your diaper you baby? Wahh wahh, cry for me baby. Wahh!

>>52684916
I'm such a sucker for enchantments that read "get something every turn"

>>52685260
Can you combo this with sundial of the infinite to keep putting of your next end step forever?

>>52672854
dies to removal lol

>>52691852

>combat trick that can alternatively exile your own guys to retrigger etb effects

Neato

>>52684994

It was so overcosted your mind couldn't process it properly.

>>52693117
yea

>>52680057
Every card with "cycled or discarded" is fucking ruined to me

I have no clue what kind of mentally retarded group they got to playtest but treat players with a small shred of intelligence

I can't wait for a bolt reprint that says "Lightning Bolt Deals 3 damage to target (you get to pick) creature or player (can also be redirected to planeswalkers). 3 is 2 +1. If a player is reduced to 0 or under 0 (like a negative number) they lose the game. If a creature has 0 toughness or less upon resolution of this card that creature is placed in the graveyard. Don't eat this card Timmy"

File: file.png (144KB, 223x310px) Image search: [Google]

144KB, 223x310px

>>52693698
Playtesters are dumb as dirt.

>>52693698
Playtesters are cancer. It's like companies are contractually obligated to pick the people that are 2 sigma left of the average to test their products. I'm reminded of a dev commentary in Half-Life: Episode 2 where Valve basically say they cut out the entire maze-like structure of a level because people kept getting lost right at the end.

>>52693729
>because people kept getting lost right at the end.
It wasn't "getting lost" it was "they had a path that looped back in on itself, and multiple people spent hours going through that same loop without realizing they were going the wrong way"

>>52693747
>and multiple people spent hours going through that same loop without realizing they were going the wrong way

They still sound retarded

That'd be like people just infinitely trying to go up the infinite staircase in Mario 64 hoping it was just super long

>>52693780
Oh no doubt yea, severely retarded

>>52693698
Fun fact: yesterday there was yet another person who was ranting about planeswalkers, but this time it was solely because...burn spells can't hit them, the only thing you can do is attack them with creatures.
He honestly did not know about the redirection rule.
It's been nine and a half years since planeswalkers were introduced.
People are just THAT FUCKING DUMB.
And that's not including the people who kept arguing As Foretold didn't let you cast Ancestral Visions (despite the first thing in Ancestral Visions' notes being a similar situation) or were claiming that New Perspectives would let you ignore the discard part of cycling. Or that fucking Approach of the Second Sun was not enforcable by the rules because the opponent would just say you never cast it or that they'd already cast it before.
As much as I enjoy watching people being horrible about Magic, it just kinda proves that in this case they're kinda right. The majority of players are idiots who don't actually know how the game works.

>>52693845
>Or that fucking Approach of the Second Sun was not enforcable by the rules because the opponent would just say you never cast it or that they'd already cast it before.
that's a new level of stupid

>>52693869
And yet, someone on this very board insisted that was the case!
These kind of people are why we have 'cycle or discard'.