I'm in a pickle, folks. I've been DMing a weekly RPG

>>52662879
what class does he play?

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>>52662879
A game of pretend isn't worth spending time with someone who'd I'd probably want to chain to the back of my truck and drag across a rough gravel road until there was no skin left, if you want my honest opinion.

There's a point in which real-world actions can't be forgiven just by coming out and being like "but I addmited it, so everything is cool now, right?" If I wouldn't let this person around my younger siblings, I'm not going to pretend to be friends with them anywhere else.

That is a tough decision, and I don't envy you.

First and foremost, are there any kids at your house? If there are, that's a non-starter. He probably isn't even supposed to be there if there are.

On the one hand, he is going to his therapy, and might be making an effort to manage his shit. He might also be getting individual counseling or taking meds, hard to say. But if he's making an effort, it is possible that regular contact with people in a non-threatening environment could be good for him. If he's being cool and not a dick, you could give him the benefit of the doubt. he did come clean with you after all.

On the other hand, if he relapses, you and all your gaming pals could wind up in a bunch of drama at best. Worst case scenario, you could end up with honest-to-ghost legal issues.

I dunno if we're the right people to answer this question. You need more info. Maybe he has a probation officer or counselor you could talk to? You should find out what the risks to you and your group could be before you decide. What you don't know can hurt you really badly.

If it were me and my group, he'd be out. No choice. Two of my players (one of them being my wife) were victims of sexual predators when they were kids. They wouldn't put up with him for a second once they knew.

>He then proceeded to let me know he's a level 1 sex offender.

Tell him to grind for more XP and come back when he's level 5.

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>>52662879
If you decide to keep the guy around, everyone else in your group probably has a right to know about it. If there are any women or minors in the group, they DEFINITELY have a right to know. Regardless of your own opinions on the matter, you have no right to knowingly expose them to that kind of risk without making sure they're informed about it.

>>52662879
Often I believe that people deserve second chances, and it seems like our legal system did whatever it considers justice, but if I remember correctly, sex criminals are the most likely to re-offend (which is saying something considering the rate of recidivism in the US).
Maybe ask him if he's planning on telling the other players?
Maybe ask the person leading the therapy sessions if there is something you should watch out for?
Something to consider, if you do kick him out will he be less likely to be open and honest with people in the future?

You've given us little detail so you know the situation best and will probably know how to protect your community the best.

>>52662982
>>52663001

I don't have kids, but yeah, he said he's not allowed near them. Pretty fucked, I've never met a pedo before (that I know of). Just so surreal to have someone drop this bomb on you, I 100% thought he was kidding at first.

>>52662896
This makes me think you're him, but he plays a custom class called Pugilist. Think this is it: https://dnd-5e-homebrew.tumblr.com/post/138408104058/pugilist-class-by-coolgamertagbro

>>52663023
Ok, that was a good one and I'm pissed I didn't think of it.

Ask him for pics of his sister. If he provides them, he gets a level.

>>52663062
>>52663070

I'm thinking that rather than do a hard boot out of him, I just finish out the quest everyone is working on then gently disband the thing. Maybe 1 or 2 more sessions. That way he doesn't get the shock of "Shit I really must hide who I am" which wouldn't be good for anyone. He is a nice enough guy, but he's sick in the head. I don't want to be dragged into his world by reaching out to his therapist, etc, but I also don't want to kick him out cold turkey which would just devastate him.

He's indicated to me that he loves this group, and he obviously trusts me and considers me his friend by coming to me straight up with this.

>>52663136
It doesn't matter if it would devastate him. The consequences are coming from actions that HE is responsible for, not you. Don't put your players at risk or end a game they're enjoying just because you're feeling bad for someone who made their own bed.

Fuck, I'd be pissed about the guy not telling me up-front and the fact that he was in my house without telling me about those kinds of offenses first. God help me if I actually had kids or younger siblings. (I knwo you said you don't, but that begs the question as to whether he actually knew this or not, and whether your players might have anyone like that who tags along with them some day.)

>>52663079
Well as long as he doesn't play cleric.

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ITT
strangers on the internet shiting all over someone's past mistakes

also ITT
4chan defends pedophilia

your move anon

>>52663136
Soft boot would be as bad tb. Players are not idiots (most of the time).

Honestly, the dude is doing therapy and he came out to you honestly. That at least counts for something. Don't cut campaign short, observe for now.

>>52663255
Shitting all over someone's past mistakes is perfectly justified when those mistakes put the safety of those and people close to you in danger. Employers refuse to hire people arrested for theft, it's perfectly fine to refuse letting a guy convicted of sex offenses into a fucking game of pretend.

OP needs to kick the guy out and pray to god he's not some clingy stalker who will keep begging to be let back in. There's no "soft boot" with issues like this, you need to remove those kinds of people from your life cold-turkey and let them be someone else's problem.

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>>52662879
>>52663079
>>52663136
I understand why you might not feel super comfortable with this, and maybe It's just because I'm a sucker for a redemption story, but I personally feel you should give him a chance.

Firstly, you said there's no children, which is priority one, so that's good. Secondly, you said he's legitimately cool and doesn't act like an asshole, which is priority number 2. If he's not acting like a complete creep, there's no children around and he's making a legitimate effort to get better, why punish him further?

>>52662879
People get into some weird headspaces sometimes. He might have been really depressed, and somehow his only vice may have ended up as fucked up, illegal porn or maybe he was born with some twisted predilection that is now ruining his life. What's important here is that he's seeking therapy and is also going out and doing something exclusively social and productive. If this man is willing to change the last thing you ought to do is oust him over something that doesn't personally affect you. By the sounds of it he didn't touch the kid so he (hopefully) hasn't scarred anyone for life.

Your moral stance is up to you but I think if you would be decent enough to give him an environment where he isn't judged and he can get away from how shit his life must be now that'd be good for him at least. Maybe encourage him to address it to the rest of the group eventually.

>>52663345
I agree with this anon. Dude's already paid his price.

>>52663347
If he was convicted then there is basically no chance his sister didn't know what he did. Even with no physical contact or previous awareness, this sort of revelation could definitely scar someone for life.

>>52663347
>>52663425

Yeah, there's no way she doesn't know. He doesn't live with his family any more, he lives in a group home for people like him.

>>52663438
I wouldn't have him around, and I'd probably tell the rest of the players too honestly. If it were a game in a public place I'd probably be more lenient, but I would never risk having an actual pervert pedophile in my house.

>>52662879

As long as he dosent do or say anything "pedo"-y.

If he's trying to honestly change, don't give him another reason to relapse.

>>52663438
Like >>52663308 said, remove these people from your life and let them be someone else's problem, like the therapists or the prisons. There is NO justification for ever taking advantage of children, and it's not the kind of "mistake" you should ever forgive as a mistake.

>>52662879
I'd pretend I didn't know, if no 12 year olds are around/coming.

>>52663345
>>52663347
>>52663383
>>52663564

IIT people who should never have or be responsible for children ever.
For both the sake of the kids, and the gene pool in general.

I'm surprised at these responses. You all are really going to cast stones?

>>52663308
That analogy does not work. A store manager doesn't want to hire somebody convicted of theft because he's placed in a position where he's tempted to steal. If there aren't any young children in OP's group, then the pedophile won't have any temptations.

I guess it would be different if he made a little girl character or tried to rape girls in-game, but obviously that would be boot-worthy. And if he hasn't done that already, it's unlikely he'd be retarded enough to start.

>>52662879
Don't tell the rest of the players unless he says it's okay. That's betraying the trust he placed in you as a friend, and will inevitably lead to drama. The state already publicly embarrasses him enough. You don't need to make his social life any worse.

If he really creeps you out that much, then just talk with him and be upfront about it. But I don't think it should be that big of a deal if he's otherwise a nice person. It's not like he's violent, or a threat to you or anybody in your group.

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>>52663617
>Don't tell the rest of the players unless he says it's okay.
H O L Y S H I T

If my DM ever pulled something like this on me, I'd never play in his games ever again. If you're going to bring a fucking sex offender to our sessions, you sure as hell better be letting me know about it. There's a reason the state has to tell people when this fucks move into your neighborhood.

OP, do NOT keep this a secret from your players. For the love of human sanity, don't knowingly deceive them about something this serious.

>>52662879
Quit being a bitch about it.

This passive aggressive crap is bad for DM's. Either be upfront with the guy and talk to him about it a bit more, or hard boot him.

If he isn't "That guy" as a player, there's no reason to boot him. He's there to play a game, just like the rest of you. The only game i'd keep him away from is that wandering loli brothel greentext one.

Unless the other players actively bring their kids to games what kind of asshole would even do this or you do it at someones house where there are kids, there's no problems. Just look out for any children characters you bring up.

>>52663710
>>52663617
Thes guys are correct OP.

If you're uncomfortable with him being there kick him. If he's not being a problem then you don't need to kick him. Plain simple

>>52663581
>>52663308
>>52663188
>>52663667
You need to calm the fuck down.

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>>52662879
Bring it up with your players. Have them vote to kick him out. Everyone deserves a second chance and hes just trying to enjoy his fucking hobby but hes still a sex offender

>>52663759
This. It should be a vote by the group.

>>52663710

Eh, there's being a bitch and there's getting opinions about a tough situation. I'm leaning toward continuing play with him and letting him tell others in his own time if he wants to do so. We're all twenty-something dudes, nobody is going to have kids around. It also seems obvious to me that he would just GTFO of a situation with kids around.

Then again, and this is me of course being totally pedo-ist, what if I leave my desktop computer unlocked and he "goes to the bathroom" which is next to my computer room. His internet traffic is heavily monitored at home, and for all I know, he's itching for the chance to look up shit unmonitored. He said himself he was (is?) addicted. I could suddenly be in a heap of shit for some dude I can only barely consider a friend.

Speaking of opinions- damn, this thread is split right down the middle.

>>52663745
>Legitimately telling people who are upset over pedophiles to "calm down".

I bet you tell people they should calm down and forgive murderers too.

>>52663667
This might differ by state, but in mine level 1 sex offenders don't have to tell anyone.

>all these fucking assholes who know best

He paid his debt to society and continues to

He isn't interacting with any children

This is valuable socializing for him

Unless you game with children it doesn't matter

And no the other players don't have a right to know

>>52663781
Sex offenders do that anon. Unfortunately, some people have all the awareness of a wild boor that got smacked across the face.

If you aren't using the internet, just shut it off. Or talk to the guy and be clear you don't want any of that shit on your internet. He was willing to tell you, which means he's ready to be told that kind of compromise.

Once again, he is there like the rest of you to play a game. Take measures to make sure his actions don't negatively affect your group or you, which seems to amount to talk to him about using your internet, and just play the game.

You are not the police, the courts, or the criminal justice system. You are not his KPA group, nor are you in any way obligated to even CARE about his shit.

Just play the damn game as if he hadn't said anything.

>>52662879
Kick him the fuck out Anon.

>>52663781
Man, the guy is admitting it was an addiction? I'm not sure what else you really need as far as convincing?

Yes, the risks are minimal, yes the social interaction is probably good for him, yes he's (supposedly) getting help.

All that being said, it is not your responsibility to help him. AT ALL. He's got an addiction to something that is morally disgusting, you don't need to compromise your own morality to be friends with him. Any consequences are entirely his fault and there is no reason to feel guilt over it at all.

>>52663667
The only reason the OP knows was because the guy shared the information in confidence. It would be betraying his trust for OP to expose him.

Even if you think he's an irredeemable bastard, he's still a human being and should be treated with that modicum of respect. OP should upfront with him and deal with it person-to-person, rather than making it into a goddamn witch hunt.

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"Tier I Offenses (Level 1 Sex Offender) are typically of a non-violent nature with persons of the age of majority."

This guy isnt even a kiddie diddler, hes just into that hot teenager body and had a willing reciprocate since he didnt force them into anything

How would you feel if you fucked some 16 year old that might not have even told you that they were 16(because guess what, youre male. Youre expected to ask otherwise youre guilt) only for her to regret fucking some mid-early 20's dude, tell her parents and then youre 100% fucked.

>>52663188
Legitimately, how is it putting the other players at risk? It's not contagious.

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>>52663839
>This guy isnt even a kiddie diddler, hes just into that hot teenager body and had a willing reciprocate since he didnt force them into anything

"So- do I kick him out? I've never really taken a moral stand like this before but turns out this dude's been in jail for taking pictures of his 12 year old sister without her knowing."

>>52663617
>The state publicly embarrassed him
This is the worst fucking thing i have ever heard in my entire life. M8 he embarrassed himself with his actions and by extension the entire human race when he decided to make CP INVOLVING HIS OWN SIBLING. I honestly believe in redemption to a certain point but sometimes their are stains on your soul a stint in jail and therapy can't remove. If it were me I'd just shut the game down and learn a valuable lesson about inviting fucking randos to my residence for D&D.

>>52663839
>turns out this dude's been in jail for taking pictures of his 12 year old sister without her knowing.

yeah, no

It's odd watching /tg/ of all places ostracise someone for a mental illness.

>>52662879
Why should you fucking care? Did he misbehave while you were DMing that you know of?

Why do you feel the need to add your justice sauce to his slice of hell? As long as he doesnt offend, why should he be punished? But if being a holy paragon of virtue is your kick, go for it.

>>52663861
It's one thing to have a mental illness, it's another to act on it.
Regardless of urges this man chose to do what he did.

>>52663839
This, level 1 is not likely to repeat either.

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>>52663853
>>52663857

>>52663667
It's frankly no one's business.

The guy was under zero obligation to even tell the OP, he did it as a courtesy. If he hadn't told him, OP's game would continue until the end and no one would know the difference.

The fact that people might react the way you are is EVIDENCE that it should be kept private.

I wonder how hot his sister was, honestly.

>>52663861
It's odd watching /tg/ of all places defend actual legitimate real-life pedophiles.

>>52663854
So it's a crime that much worse than murder? Because fucking murderers don't have to go through the social ostracization that sex offenders do.

>>52663857
And has never raped anyone else it would be higher. Likely it is "only" his porn habits.

>>52663876
They arent defending pedophilia. They're defending the right of a human being to live normally.

He's in therapy and isnt assaulting anyone as far as we know. Why should anyone bring mob justice to this guy?

Or should life for any sex offender be a living hell 24/7?

Kind of funny this guy is a lifelong felon for taking pictures of what a good 50% of this board has jacked off to in drawn form

>>52663881
Yeah it is.
At least Murder in some cases is justifiable, child fucking is unredeemable.

>>52663881
Sexual offenses scar victims for life, some of whom never recover, so in that sense it IS comparable to murder. The only difference is we usually don't let murderers back into society.

>>52663884
The dude literally admitted to taking pictures of his little sister. This isn't some weeb who wanking off to anime girls.

>>52663891
True, but he has not done that.

>>52663881
Im pretty sure the vast majority of people consider rape worse than murder.

>>52663889
This is a sex offender that hasnt even touched anyone at that.

>>52663881
Listen to yourself. You are actively defending CP production to a certain extent. I also didn't mension anything of murder but i also wouldnt want a fucking murderer that i dont really know at my dnd table.

>>52663900
Didn't say he did, I was just pointing out reasons why this is less acceptable.
Honestly the pics of 12 year old sister is unredeemable as well because it isn't justifiable meanwhile murder in some cases is.

>>52662879
Playing with you probably means a lot for him, I doubt there's too many people around who don't hate him. It might help him be a decent human being, and it doesn't sound like he actually did anything physical.

Then again the other players will hate you too if they found out that you were protecting a pedo.

>>52663894
So? The justice system already took care of him. You have no business persecuting a person on your own just because you feel like your self righteousness is enough to be judge, jury and executioner. Fuck off anon.

>>52663894
>The only difference is we usually don't let murderers back into society.
Yeah we do. Only the worst serial killers don't. Some industrialized first world countries don't even do life sentencing, too.

>>52663894
>The dude literally admitted to taking pictures of his little sister. This isn't some weeb who wanking off to anime girls.
Still aint rape. Its a shit thing to do. But rape it is not.

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>>52662879
This is simpler than we're making it, but it is still up to the OP:
Imagine someone you respect and whose opinion you value.
Now imagine yourself explaining to that person why you continue to spend time with and game with a pedophile of his caliber.
How do you feel about yourself and your explanation?
There's your answer.

I believe in redemption, but unless I was willing to defend his presence to others, I'd have a hard time justifying spending time with him.
But that's me. I'm here and not in the situation.

One thing is clear though, unless he told you this in the strictest of all confidences, and probably even still then, you should tell the group so they can decide for themselves.
Otherwise, they could find out the hard way, which is worse for everyone.

>>52663917
>Not justifiable

Fucking casuals

>>52663889
A large group of people would want him outright dead.

Another would want him in jail, at least.

And another subset wants to be a living lynch mob.

They won't even stop to consider severity. As soon as the words "Sex offender" were brought up, all of the above immediately jumped on board because they are some white knight group that feels some form of righteous vindication in lynch mobbing a guy that can't adequately defend himself anymore.

There's a reason you need to go through so many hoops to get a place in the justice system (aside from being a juror). Its because the average person isn't tempered enough to stop the lynch mob mentality.

Yeah, it's not your place to play judge & jury. The judge and actual jury did that.

It's also not your job to play therapist, his therapist is doing that.

Keep some perspective. You're playing a make pretend game with grown ups. The dude's life outside his ability to show up and roll dice without causing incident shouldn't be anyone's concern.

That said, it's useful knowledge if you plan to have children NPCs, maybe... don't.

And if the knowledge literally makes you uncomfortable to be around him, and reconciling that discomfort isn't something you want to do, then yeah remove him. Courteously.

>>52663914
I'm convinced half the people in this thread (if it's not 1 or 2 trolls samefagging) are defending the CP stuff purely for the sake of trolling or playing devils advocate.

I'd really really like to believe people aren't ACTUALLY stupid enough to buy into the arguments defending this.

>>52663920
>implying you shouldn't be able to decide who stays as a member on a make believe game you host

>>52663920
Hes also not suggesting persecuting him, hes suggesting not to associate with him, which hes very much not obligated to do.

>>52662879
If he's not a problem, don't kick him.

I don't know why he'd even tell you about this. Might be part of his therapy or something, but honestly, really should keep that shit to yourself.

I wouldn't want to know, as GM, but if a player did tell me this, and I thought they were a cool person, I wouldn't kick them.

In my online group (which certainly doesn't carry nearly as many risks, to be fair) I've got a sex offender (not a pedo, admittedly, though I know he browsed CP back in his middle school /b/ days like 8 years ago and give him shit for it all the time), a white supremacist, and worst of all, a Jew.

>>52663917
Murder, by legal definition, is unjustified.

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>>52663929
Yes, people find taking advantage of children to be disgusting and inhuman because of "white knight" mentality. Yup, that's it. Keep telling yourself that.

Knee-jerk mob justice reactions are precisely what keeps pedos who haven't hurt anyone (yet) and want help from getting it. Which in turn drives them closer and closer to hurting someone.

So remember next time you want to start screaming "HANG THE PEDO!" that you're actually part of the problem.

>>52663950
No, i'm saying their lynch mob bullshit is white knight mentality.

You aren't a judge, a jury, an executioner, or a therapist. You are literally nothing in this equation and should treat yourself as such. They already did their jobs, you just keep playing the fucking game you set up and do yours.

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>>52663947
>legal definition
>same legal definition that says theft is wrong but steals from its citizens

>>52663917
>Honestly the pics of 12 year old sister is unredeemable as well because it isn't justifiable
What if there was a medical emergency and he needed to take the pictures to show them to a doctor?

>>52663947
Thats because justified murder is often considered manslaughter

>the father beat his daughters rapist to death, we cant possibly hold him fully accountable but he still took another mans life

>>52663931
No one is defending him. I am just pointing out that he has not kidnaped a kid, put his penis inside of said kid and done it several times.
He has wanked off to a picture of his sister that he took without permission.

Thats not the same and everyone in this thread is disrespecting the victims of the former.by comparing them on the same grounds

>>52663972
I guess then it's justifiable but in this context it is not.

>>52663967
>collecting a portion of the money that you print, mint and distribute in the market that you established, protect and regulate is theft
Holy shit fuck off

Urinating in public can be prosecuted as a sex offense.

Teenagers sexting can be escalated to "production and distribution of prohibited material".

>>52663967
Well hey, if we're using moral relativism, then my morals say posting on 4chan should be punishable by death.

>>52663972
Yeah. No. Dont be stupid.

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>>52663965
I'm also not obligated to run a game for or associate with a person who did something that makes them sub-human trash in my eyes, just because it might "hurt their feelings". It's not my responsibility to pretend to be their friend because everyone (rightfully) hates them over a bad decision they chose to make.

>>52663931
I'm defending him because the guy had admitted he has an addiction and has already been punished by a legal system that is really fucking hard on sex offenders of all types. Anything OP does is excessive, and given his classification and crime he wasn't required to tell OP in anyway.

You are not a moral judge. You are not a legal judge. You aren't any kind of judge. So judge ye not, or be smoten

>>52662879

Assuming that he's actually enjoyable to be around, does not show signs of recidivism and you're okay woth running games for him, the only question you have to ask yourself is whether the other players would be happier not knowing.

Yes, sex crimes are terrible, particularly against children. But we as a society do not weigh them heavily enough to justify execution or life sentences, for the most part.

If you're going to release prisoners back into society, you have to be willing to give them a chance to go straight and experience the joys of a normal life or else you're consigning them to recidivism. If their daily lives aren't pleasant from time to time, or tolerable on average, they're going to go looking down the same path that got them arrested in the first place because it's the last time they found a reason to keep going.

"But I don't care if their lives are a living hell and they go back to jail," you might say. Tough shit; this isn't about helping them, it's about making sure they don't make more victims, and the best way to do that - short of executing them - is to rehabilitate them. Part of that means treating them like human beings even though you know what they've done.

If you can't stand having him at the table, fine. Try to ease him out of the group as gently as possible, because by your own words he's been a stand-up guy until now and you'd have loved to keep him around but for this knowledge.

>>52663985

(OP here)

He hid a camera to intentionally film his 12 year old sister changing. He also admitted to viewing and seeking out kiddy porn online. So, not the same thing.

>>52663974
That's the entire point, though. Those people aren't considered "murderers" except, maybe, by the prejudiced or uninformed. But the claim was that "some" murder is justifiable.

The comparison is playing DnD with a convicted sex offender vs. a convicted murderer, not someone who "just" committed manslaughter. Don't move the goalposts.

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>>52663983
>that you print
>implying that all civilizations have printed their money when many in the past just used standard gold
>the market that you established, protect and regulate
>implying that inside any government other than socialist that they established the market
>implying that it's optional to choose this 'protection' which is generally slow and ineffective
>implying it's okay that to steal from your citizens to provide lackluster protection for them that's not even optional
>literally forcing someone to buy a service they may not even want or use

>>52663904
>Im pretty sure the vast majority of people consider rape worse than murder.
Such an idiotic mindset. Literally just a bunch of thirsty whiteknighting drones cucking for feminists.

>>52663990
Absolutely true. But one should strive for enlightenment, and some people here compare a level 1 offender with a level 3.
They are worlds apart.

Look, leave it another session, if it's still fucking eating you inside, you can ask him to bring it up with the other players, and if another session passes without that happening, you tell the players yourself.

You're clearly in a situation where the risk of FULL LIFE CONSEQUENCES are minimal, the crime isn't really that extreme, and this guy can't be unperson-ed for the rest of his life. If you immediately throw them in a furnace for being decent and telling you about it, odds are they just won't tell the next GM they find about it because it's too much drama.

Your players would certainly like to know as well, and are likely to have issues, but you literally just found this out, you shouldn't go fucking hysterical and tell them literally ASAP. Just make sure it gets brought up if it becomes relevant or there is an appropriate time, and in a reasonably timely fashion so you don't have to play the fucking secret-keeper or whatever.

Gossip can travel as slow or fast as you choose to allow it.

>>52663998
>"But I don't care if their lives are a living hell and they go back to jail".

Thats it. That's where the argument should end. Nobody is under any obligation to care beyond this, especially if they're sane and have any sense or morality, or even simply don't want to get dragged into the kind of shit that tends to swirl around people who have fucked up their lives like this.

>>52662879
I mean, it's a risk/reward thing, OP. On one hand, you have a relatively low risk of any of this coming back to bite you. On the other hand, if it DOES come back to bite you, you're looking at (potentially) hard time and having to tell your neighbors that you're a sex offender. Plus, if he IS a pretty cool dude, you can never just go to the movies or something with him, or chill at the park.

Honestly, I dunno if I could be friends with someone who wanted to fugg his 12 year old sister. Is the dude a creep? Is he deformed or something? You said the group was "mid 20's" but did this happen when he was barely 18, or was this 6 months ago?

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>>52663931
>yes anon, very good. People do not change, and criminals must never be allowed to escape

>>52663974
>>52664009
To be honest, even if it was "just" manslaughter I'd still rather play with someone who filmed his little sister changing. At least he wouldn't fucking kill me if he happened to get mad.

>>52663983
You should realize by now that all ancap posting is trolling.

>>52664015
This. Steppe cultures have marriage rituals involving kidnapping and rape.

>>52663486
>therapists
>the rapists

We're onto something

>>52664023
Everyone should be constantly and continually punished for every mistake that they've ever made. There is no penance.

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>>52664024
>I mean, it's a risk/reward thing,
How is there any reward in this?

>having to tell your neighbors that you're a sex offender.
What the hell are you talking about?

Holy shit anon, you went full fucking retard right there. You arent making any sense at all.

>>52664041
We're breaking the conditioning.

>>52662879
You already wrote that he's been really fun and you've been getting along well. Also, he trusts you enough to tell you about him being a sex offender. That's enough to know what I'd do.

I don't think you should punish him further. Just continue to have fun playing and let him tell the other players on his own. There is even the possibility that he already did tell them and they also decided not to make a fuss about it.

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>a criminal can never reform

Reminds me of the dude who got released via clerical error, got a job, built a family and bought a house only for them to take him back.

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>>52664014

>>52664046
>How is there any reward in this?
A good player at the table, man. Do you know how hard it is to find good players? If the guy can RP and doesn't just roll blunts or fuck around on his phone, I'd be conflicted.

>What the hell are you talking about?
If OP get caught up in whatever kiddie porn ring the guy is involved in, he'd be looking at hard time and/or having to inform the neighbors he's done a sex crime.

>>52664045
It's not punishment to not want to associate with someone. It's also not punishment that you consider someone's "mistake" to be more than a mistake, just because some judge somewhere said the person is good to go now. If I had kids, I'd still prefer the guy go fuck off and die than be told I should feel guilty for being wary of him. Sorry, sometimes life is tough shit.

>>52664023

If everybody treats them like shit, what reason do they have not to go back and do what made them happy before? Morality is as much a social pressure as a personal one.

You aren't under any obligation to care about them. You aren't under any obligation to treat them decently. But by turning them into a nonperson, you are pushing them toward recidivism.

If they serve their sentence and are released, they should have an expectation of being able, more or less, to reintegrate, or else you should have slapped them with life/execution.

>>52664035
Youre in the minority. I have killed people, in a fit of rage, my friends knows this. No one gave a shit. I was convicted, served my time got put and have a shit ass job. But no one cares.
A dude I knew was accused of rape. Accused but it did not make it to trial because it was so thin an argument. He was beaten and had to move because no one. Not a single person, would consider hanging out with him.

I dont mind, im getting off easy and being a sociopath helps, but fair it aint.

>>52662879
Well if hes decent enough to game with I see no need to eject him.

But ask him if he's willing to tell the group, as keeping it secret is probably the worst thing to do.

You are under no obligation to rehabilitate him or feel pressured to keep him on the straight, but you ARE helping.

Also
>>52664078
This.

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>>52663255
>>52663308
>>52663617
>Shitting all over someone's past mistakes
There is a rule that I learned from my good and wise friend, Evil Keen.
It is from his policy regarding people shitting on his living room carpet:

If he invites you into his home and, while there, you choose to shit on his living room carpet, he will not hate you.
He will not bear you any ill will at all.
He will not invite you back into his home, because you chose to shit on his living room carpet and might do so again.
He will also tell others that they should know that you chose to shit on his living room carpet.
He does this without malice.
He does not do this to punish you, to shame you, or to prevent you from being invited into people's homes.
He does this because they deserve to know that if they invite you into their home, you might shit on their living room carpet.
To do otherwise would make him irresponsible and inconsiderate.

tl;dr: Sometime your past mistakes simply shit all over themselves without any help from anyone.

There is a very real, and not altogether fair, phenomenon called "guilt by association".
If you recreate with pedophiles, people are likely to think that you are the sort of person who recreates with pedophiles.

>>52662879
Do you know how old the guy was when he did this?

>>52664024

Uh, what? I don't think I'm in any real risk of getting in trouble myself, barring him sneaking onto my computer and downloading kiddy porn or something like I mentioned early. But I will just be on the lookout for that now. Remember- he spent time in jail already for this. He just got out something like 6 months ago. So it's not like I'm keeping his deep dark secret or something.

As far as I know, you can't get in trouble for being friends with a pedo.

>>52664073
Nah, that's fair. A lot of the arguments here seem to be stepping over the line from "Not my problem" to "BURN THE HERETIC" and that's where I feel the rationality breaks down.

>>52664102
>If you recreate with pedophiles, people are likely to think that you are the sort of person who recreates with pedophiles.
Nobody but the DM knows hes a sex offender.

You arent somekind of imaculate savior of morality, anon. You just suck in your white ivory tower.

>>52664114
It's a question of law vs morality and redemption.
Reason never stood a chance.

>>52664110

You can't get in legal trouble for it, but do you really want to be known as "that guy who's friends with a pedo?"

That shit will destroy your community reputation.

>>52664129
There's also the utilitarian angle to it. If you ostracize him now, what kind of message it's going to send? That you get punished for complying with the law.

>>52662879
If you don't have kids and the other players don't bring their kids rounds then who cares.

If he was up to something nefarious he wouldn't have told you.

>>52664137
With ivory tower fuck-wits who believe in guilt by association. What a terrible loss.

>>52664102
He didn't take pictures of OP's little sister, and there's no reason to think he would pose a risk to anybody in OP's group.

If you think the acceptable solution is to practically exile this guy from society, then why not lobby to have the law changed to reflect that? There's a reason why we have codified punishments. You're advocating mob justice.

>>52664106

He was 17. He's 21-22 now. He just got out of jail about 6 months ago and has a probation officer. In fact, he learned how to play D&D in jail.

>>52664102
>If you recreate with pedophiles, people are likely to think that you are the sort of person who recreates with pedophiles.

Look, if this was suddenly going to be public knowledge, like if my boss and my mom and everyone suddenly found out "Anon knew X was a pedophile and *still* let him play in their game because he's a good player!" then yes, of course I'd disavow him and throw him under the bus. It's not a big deal in the scheme of things for me to do that, and in a black and white world that's the clear thing to do.

But I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't have a lot in this world (he lives in a house full of fucking pedos, his family hates him) and so he enjoys playing pretend once a week to get away from it. I wouldn't have let him join at the start of the campaign if I knew then, but I do feel like he's become my friend.

>>52664058
the jail system isn't made to reform. it's meant to take the poor out of the labor pool, so the middle class can take even shitter jobs

>>52662879
The real crime here is that you're playing DnD.

They should be locking you people up.

>>52664164
Except, you know. The judge let him leave a month later because he was reformed.

It happened again to a black guy, he didnt get to go back

>>52664166

Yeah, figured I'd get a comment or two along those lines.

>>52664163
>He was 17.
Huh, I guessed 18. It's weird how you can get jailed for that even when you're a minor yourself.

>>52662879
To me, personally, there's no dilemma here.

He did his time, he's going to therapy. The system considers him good enough to be out and about. That's good enough for me.

>>52664157
Really? You think it's only "ivory tower fuck-wits" who will care?

Good luck when your boss is deciding who will get a promotion, Tim or the guy who hangs out with a known pedophile.

Or when you grow up a little and your friend has a kid - say goodbye to ever being around them again.

Stop a minute and think, man. OP is in a truly unenviable situation.

>>52664145
"If you offend , it's a life sentence either way so don't stop untill you had your fill"

Same as the "Strike three, shoot your way out".

>>52664122
>Nobody but the DM knows hes a sex offender.
Nobody that the DM knows is aware he is a sex offender, yet.
That is a significant difference.
I'm fairly certain there are very public records of these kinds of things.
Also, the guilt of association may not necessarily be immediate.

>You arent somekind of imaculate savior of morality, anon. You just suck in your white ivory tower.
It's not my tower, nor is it a tower really.
It is old wisdom phrased in many ways over countless ages.
"Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas." and such.
As I said, it may not be fair, but it still exists.

I wonder if you could articulate what you feel are superior views on morality.

>>52664173
What kind of autistic are you that you feel the need to reply to a post like that? Are you colette or something?

Now I'm heavily inclined to believe you're just some dumbass idiot NARPer who wants to complain about his imaginary scenario because "/tg/ is my blog :DDDD"

Fuck off.

>>52664163

Do you think that it will never be public knowledge though?

Assuming he's on the registry, what happens when one of the other players searches his name on a lark?

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A good portion of this thread is why people have trouble getting help in the first place.

>>52664194
>what happens when one of the other players searches his name on a lark?
He either confronts the guy, leaves the group, or tells the entire group about it.

>>52664183
You are playing a once a week game where basic strangers get together to roleplay about killing fucking orcs and goblins and dragons and shit.

You can just as easily deny him ever having said it.

And if it gets out to the point it affects your job, you are the one that has fucked up on that end. You would need to go around actively advocating for the guy for that to happen.

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>>52664172
>Proving my point
>also black man getting the shaft again
>nothing changes
system as intended would have stolen his life pointlessly

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>>52662879
>He's been coming over to my house directly from kiddy porn group therapy sessions.

>So- do I kick him out?

>>52664176
Oh they can bump you up from minor as they see fit.
Zero tolerance election policies and all

>>52664183
>>52664194
In that case, the OP could just claim that he didn't know and disavow all future relations.

>>52664200
Yeah, this.

>>52664194
>what happens when one of the other players searches his name on a lark?
Lazy solution: feign ignorance.

>>52664188

Woah, yikes, sorry dude. I suppose I'm not supposed to respond to this post, either?

>>52664194
Actually, that raises an interesting point. I don't know his last name, only his first, and I tried searching my county's sex offender registry for everyone with his name- he isn't on there.

Maybe he gave us all a fake first name?

>letting strangers into your house
>not renting a small storage space for D&D or going to a shop
Serves you right, now sex offender knows your address

>>52664218
What is he going to do, secretly film OP while he's in shower?

>>52664217
>my county's sex offender registry for everyone with his name- he isn't on there.
That's suspicious, call the registry about this guy.

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>>52664206
>America
>Shiting on the working class
>business as usual

>inb4 Elections
>MUH RELIGION
>Stupid voters
>voting against self interests
>sucks the rich dick

SO yeah best bait thread this week

>>52664217
Or it was expunged due to age/severity

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>>52662879
Boy, that's a toughnone, tubby. One of those dang ol danged if you do do dang ol danged if you don't situations.

On one hand, he did do his debt to society, continues to do so, and came clean when it looks like he didn't actually have to. On the other, he was taking spank pictures of his own little sister, and that's pretty damn heinous by any measure.

>>52664161
>He didn't take pictures of OP's little sister, and there's no reason to think he would pose a risk to anybody in OP's group.
If others in the group have little sisters, they might want to know the Player's past before inviting him over to practice their shared interest in photography.
They might want to know before their mother asks them what they've been doing spending every weekend in a room with a pedophile.

>If you think the acceptable solution is to practically exile this guy from society, then why not lobby to have the law changed to reflect that? There's a reason why we have codified punishments. You're advocating mob justice.
I'm not advocating anything like that.
I'm actually supporting the law by stating that his past should be made aware of so that each individual can make their own decision.
I know someone convicted of having sex with a minor. The two involved been married for about twenty years now.
Each case is different.
Each person is different.

Acts of pedophilia is one of those past mistakes that shits all over themselves and there's no real avoiding it.

>>52664238
>>52664217
>>52664194
For a level 1 offender theyre on there for 15 years

>>52664217
>Maybe he gave us all a fake first name?

>Giving out your full name to strangers
Get Keked True naming for the win

>>52664228
Better safe than sorry.

>>52664256
His age.
They may be a seperate one for junior offenders.

>>52662879
As a DM and host, i would ask that sucj information be shared with the group, hiding it is a sign of disrespect, disclosing it can build the relationships important to a game group.

>>52664250
The group is 20 some year old men anon, that was already said. Hopefully most of them aren't living with their parents, and even if they were they aren't obligated to tell them what they do with their freetime.

>supporting the law
>the one that said he doesn't have to go around telling everyone
>by saying he should go around telling everyone

anon, you might just be retarded.

>>52664259
>truenaming
>in DnD

Man, fuck that broken Piece of shit class.

>>52664260
Right.
Go into isolation in case other group members are domestic terrorists or counterfeiters.

>>52664250
>>If you think the acceptable solution is to practically exile this guy from society, then why not lobby to have the law changed to reflect that? There's a reason why we have codified punishments. You're advocating mob justice.

>Proceeds to ignore own advice
Get cucked little bitch. Eat the cake or fuck it can't have both. Change the law or stop bitching about it.

>>52664260
It's better if it's OP than little girls, so I think OP should just sacrifice himself for the well being of all the little girls in his country.

>>52664250
>I'm not advocating anything like that.
I'm with that guy. You are advocating mob justice. You may not think you are, but you are. "Each individual making the own decision" is exactly the definition of mob justice. Our justice system involves the system making the decision for everybody. The sex offender registry is a form of systematized mob justice in and of itself.

>>52664256
You know from personal experience?

>>52664163
>He was 17. He's 21-22 now.
Alright, he was a horny teenager who made a very bad mistake. He's been clean for probably more than 50% of the time since his hormones activated.
I think he deserves a chance.

>>52664250
>I'm actually supporting the law by stating that his past should be made aware of so that each individual can make their own decision.

Level 1 sex offenders are not required by law to tell anyone, so no, you're not really supporting the law at all.

>>52664314
Do you think being horny throws morals out the window? Not even his older sister he did it to, it was his little kid sister. That's beyond messed up. She's supposed to trust you. You're supposed to be there for her, not abuse her sexually. If he's someone with that little self control, he's not good inside.

I honestly feel kinda bad for pedophiles: nobody gets to choose what they are attracted to, and with people like him they just have to resist their sexual urges for the rest of their life. Getting support can also be really difficult, I mean imagine your family finding out about shit like this. This guy is going to therapy and came clean to OP, so I think he deserves to be given the chance to have some semblance of normality in his messed up life.

>>52664163
>I'd disavow him and throw him under the bus. It's not a big deal in the scheme of things for me to do that
>I do feel like he's become my friend.
This doesn't make me want to be your friend.
You need to reconcile this eventually.
You should either be able to defend his presence or not.
See >>52663925
If you can't say "Yes, what he did was fucked up and wrong, but I think it's okay to let him play because of X.", then you know that you feel it is wrong and you are doing what you feel is wrong.

>But I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt
So:
"Yes, what he did was fucked up and wrong, but I think it's okay to let him play because I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and he hasn't done anything in the group yet to warrant ostracizing him."
If this is actually your position you should stand by it.

>>52664314

Well, he also told me he sought out full blown CP online and said he was addicted. So, probably not just a horny teenager. He's just a pedophile plain and simple, even if he knows it's wrong.

>>52664335
I'll feel for you if you dint do anything. This guy abused his sister. HIS OWN BLOOD! He loses all sympathy and deserves to hang then
>>52664343
He knows he's wrong and still does it. A bad person.

>>52664284
>>the one that said he doesn't have to go around telling everyone
If that was brought up earlier I missed it.
As I said, each case is different.

>>52664330
Sexualy motivated offense=/=Sexual abuse

>>52664356
He took pictures yes, but didn't take it beyond that. Now he seems to be trying to become a better person by abstaining from porn and going to support groups, and I think he deserves a second chance at life.

>>52664343
>What is Loli?
Literally an entire genera of porn dedicated to it. 90% of the fags biting at the bit to give this guy shit are trying to hide their own guilt.

Still best bait thread

>>52664287
>>Proceeds to ignore own advice
What?
You seem to be in such a hurry to express your inexplicable anger, that you seem to have failed to be clear.

>>52664335
I dont understand how there can be any other way of looking at it but that way.

>>52664340
>This doesn't make me want to be your friend.
>You need to reconcile this eventually.

Unfortunately that's the way of the world. I'm comfortable saying that I am willing to be his friend to a point, but I am not close enough to him that I'd go through the effort of defending him to everyone. It's not either disowning him right away but it's also not exactly sticking up for him.

It's shitty to basically have one stance when nobody knows but another if it's public, I get that. Humans can be shitty. I am at least giving him a chance.

>>52664384
Betrayal of trust is abuse
>>52664386
Doesn't matter. Someone who would do that to their kid sister had no place with people.
>>52664392
Exactly. Ton of outlets out there. This guy doesn't care and hurts his sister anyways. Little sisters are for brotherly advice and hair ruffles, not sex.

>>52663781
Lock your computer when he's around and tell him - for his own good and yours.

>>52664403
Good thing he didnt fuck his sister then

>>52664303
>Our justice system involves the system making the decision for everybody.
Please cite the laws regarding the system making the decision for everybody on who they spend their free time with.
Because that is what I was talking about.

>>52664343
Well, that does change things.
Honestly, he's bad enough that you have a solid reason to kick him out if you want to; but then it was he who told you while more than aware that your reaction would 99% be utter disgust.

Honestly, it comes to your own preference between retributive Good or merciful/redemptionist Good (because it sounds like he's making an attempt). ERABE.

>>52664403
>hurt his sister

He took a picture and fapped to it. I'd hardly call that hurting anyone. For that matter, she probably has no fucking idea that he'd done anything wrong.

>>52664435
It went to fucking court anon. You can be sure she has a pretty good idea that it did something wrong, and she might be completely fucked up by now.

>>52664403
I guess ones stance on this is ultimately dependant on whether they believe that pedophiles who have done stuff like this can reconcile themselves and be rehabilitated into society. He is trying to be a better person by telling OP about thgis, which he had no obligation to do, so I don't think his trust should be betrayed. If he is kicked out of OPs group he may feel more alienated from society, which might drive him towards a relapse. Helping him live a normal life is the moral thing to do in my opinion.

>>52662879
Well, ultimately, it's your choice. Morality is subjective, and we all have to take responsibility for ours.

From a pragmatic point of view, though, all you're accomplishing by throwing him out is teaching him to not tell anyone about it (probably a good lesson, though), and of course, removing one of the distractions he has from his sexuality.

If everyone he meets constantly ostracizes and demonizes him for his feelings (actions notwithstanding), he's probably going to end up reasoning that, fuck it, if he's getting shit for it anyway, he might as well go all out on the pedophilia thing.

Even if that happens, though, it's not your responsibility. This is the one time I might genuinely tell someone to follow their heart.

>>52663345
I agree with this dude.

As long as there are no kids around, it should be fine. He's a human being, albeit a twisted, crooked one. But he is going to therapy and his honesty is not something natural nowadays.

But that's just my opinion.

>>52664435
>For that matter, she probably has no fucking idea that he'd done anything wrong.
Well, if his parents hate him, you can be sure they're telling his little sister how awful he is too, even if she doesn't really understand it herself.

>>52664328
>Level 1 sex offenders are not required by law to tell anyone, so no, you're not really supporting the law at all.
Apparently. My mistake.
Each case is different.
Either the player in question made a mistake or was beginning a pattern of potentially escalating behavior.
One seems redeemable and the other worthy of warning others.
I have absolutely no idea which is the case.

>>52664401
You can think whatever you want, you can be friend with him, you can play with him, that's your business.
But really, you should tell your players.
You think you're betrayhing his trust, okay, but what about the trust of your others players? It's a total gamechanger in a social relationship.
If you were my friend and you hide something like that from me, I would sure as hell not talk to you anymore, and I will spread the words that you can't be trusted.
If I sit next to a criminal, I want it to be my choice, not yours.

>>52664401
>Unfortunately that's the way of the world.
That's kinda where I was going with the "guilt by association" thing.
The easiest thing to do would be to shun him outright, which probably means it's the wrong choice.

You're in a tough position, but as long as you can explain your choices in a way you feel comfortable with, you should be okay.

And it probably would be easiest if you didn't tell anyone else and just let them find out on their own.

I'd say booting him is more likely to ultimately result in some form of negative outcome than letting him keep playing. Get him to tell the rest of the group though.

>>52662879
>Get him to tell the rest of the group though.
Why? What is there to gain in doing so? Is this DM playing with 12 years old girls? Even if it was the case: what is there to be gained?

>one of my players is a sex offender!
>who should I ask for advice?
>A website full of closet pedos will know the answer!

Really OP?
I know the Wild West days of 4chan are long over but it should be obvious that asking a websites who's origins involved A LOT of CP isn't going to be the most objective source.

That said I think you need to tell him that he needs to tell the rest of the group and then take it from there.

Louis Theroux did a documentary on one of the types of communities the dude lives in, you should maybe watch that then see how you feel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oijDFIqd0Yk

A lot of people in this thread are being very reactionary though. >>52664403 for example seems to think a little sister is some kind of animu waifu. But then autists aren't known for being able to take a balanced view of things.

>>52662879
>So- do I kick him out? I've never really taken a moral stand like this before but turns out this dude's been in jail for taking pictures of his 12 year old sister without her knowing. Serves me right for playing with strangers I guess.
>Should I just boot him and tell everyone else "So yeah that dude was a pedo". On the other hand, he's human, and he's been fun to play with, and I need players. I could just pretend I didn't hear that one thing.

Do you have kids?

If so, you defend your family first and boot him

Do you not have kids?

If so, whatever.

>>52664531
>what is there to be gained?
Nice moral there.

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>tfw your player won't get off his phone for the entire session

>>52664496
>But really, you should tell your players.
He really shouldn't. He should maybe encourage the guy to tell the other players, or ask him it it's okay to tell the players, but not go behind his back. This helps nobody.

>If I sit next to a criminal, I want it to be my choice, not yours.
You could be sitting next to a murderer and you'd never find out because society made that choice for you. Every day you are subjected to choices that are made for you by the societal contract you were born into.

>>52664563
>tfw your player won't stop browsing CP with his phone for the entire session

>>52664531
This, to be honest. Would you require shoplifters, tax fraudsters or GW employees to disclose their misdeeds? What about having beat up someone in a bar once?

Sex offences are icky and clash with our protective instincts, I get it. But this is one of these times where you have to take a few steps back and look at the situation calmly and rationally.

No one's at risk. No one stands to gain anything from telling. A guy committed a crime, got punished, and told you even though he didn't have to. You'd betray his trust, and for what? A nice feeling of trampling the guilty?

>>52664564
>He should maybe encourage the guy to tell the other players, or ask him it it's okay to tell the players, but not go behind his back. This helps nobody.
This is a good point.
But if he never tells them or gives the okay after significant time, I'd still tell them anyway.

>>52664567
>tfw you realize he's using your phone

>>52664581
>No one's at risk.
Guilt by association.

>>52664593
>tfw you realize he's just going through your browser history

>>52664587
>I'd still tell them anyway.
Well, if I decided to do that for whatever reason, I'd still go to him first and tell him that it's going to happen, and leave the choice of leaving, staying or telling the group himself up to him.

But in all honestly, if I was in OP's situation, I'd just stay quiet and let the guy work it out on his own unless it became an apparent problem.

>>52663255
Sometimes you kind of have to forgive someone showing actual repentance. I can't speak for the guy OP is talking about, obviously, but I know this other guy. He was very anxious all the time, and had these weird ticks. He was actually the most decent player at the table, in terms of inappropriate remarks and behaviour. He kept it clean.

Starting up a second group that would have included a 13 year sister of another player, he told me (GM) that he had been in jail for 2 years for paedophilia, and couldn't participate in the game because of it. I was kinda surprised, and outraged, and at first my thought was "How the fuck did you get out that fast?"

I was openly hostile, and he actually got more calm, as he explained the situation.

He had almost killed himself in prison. He had straight up cut off his own dick, and was only alive because the prison staff had tried to save him for some reason. Apparently very good behaviour, a ton if remorse, and straight up removing your offending body part, is a good way to get out of jail before your sentence is up.

He is only doing counselling once a month. Talked to the psyche chick in charge of him, who said they had scaled down on the hours, because he literally had no sexual drive after his self mutilation. No drive = no chance of further abuse.

Still not allowed around children, of course. But despite the months it took me to let it go completely, he stuck through it. He is a decent guy, past deeds aside.

Also, it isn't really about "defending it" - literally nobody is defending it, some are just advocating at least giving the guy a chance. Whether or not you SHOULD, depends entirely on your gut feeling, and we, random strangers in the internet, can never make that decision for OP. If It seems like a creep, kick him in the nuts and drop him off a bridge. Does he seem like a decent guy? Give him a chance, but think of a plan for how you'll deal with him in case something happens.

>>52663925
This, OP.

Another man has opened up and revealed one of his darkest secrets to you. The reason could be because he trusts you enough to talk to him and keep him on the straight and narrow path that he should've been following since the beginning.

It is not your place to pass judgement on the man, at least I wouldn't think of it.

My advice is this: learn more about him. He might be more human than you think, thus relatable. And when someone asks you why you would game with a murderer, a thief, an adulterer who destroyed a family or a pedophile you can answer "I got to know them more: they go to the same barber, take the same train, go to the same movies and ride the same bus without hurting anyone since I know them. They want to be like us: they need help, not scorn."

>>52664564
He really should. This is not about "helping" anybody, it's about trust.

>bla bla social contract
That's coincidence, life event, being around others people. That's not abusing the trust other put in you, which is the problem right here.

>>52664581
This is highly different. You can say all those things without getting kicked of a house. This is "acceptable" behavior, that's why it's not a big deal if you don't say it.

>gain
This is not about gaining anything, this is about trust. This just means I can't trust you.

What happens if one of your players has experienced abuse and start to befriend him? And he learns it and break down? Think worst case scenario. If something like that happens, you're definitely going to be blamed, because you didn't say anything.

>>52664611

That's heavy, man.

Good on you for being able to eventually accept him, even with the unusual circumstances.

>>52664533

Meh, I know full well what 4chan is. First and foremost it is honest. If you came to Reddit for advice about this you wouldn't get people's sincere take on things, you'd get what people think they should say.

>>52664563
>>52664567
The guy actually doesn't have a smart phone. Thought it was weird at first, but makes sense as he's living this super monitored life.

>>52664581
It's really tricky. It's not just a matter of betraying his trust. I'm actually good friends with two of the guys in the group. As in, I hang out with them often in non RPG settings. I'm already very tempted to tell them that, holy shit this guy we've been playing with is a convicted pedo. Now I feel like I'm in an awkward position of keeping a pedophile's secret. Because I know if they found out they'd refuse to play with him.

>>52664611
Holy shit.

Don't associate with people like this, no matter the reason. If word spreads, you'll end up in the same basket and this WILL damage everything about your image, and potentially bear your prejudice in important life matters (family, work).

>>52664604
That is one of the stupudest thing I've read. If your friend rapes someone people don't automatically assume that you're a rapist.

>>52664636
> Because I know if they found out they'd refuse to play with him.
Frankly, that's the deal breaker.
You're hiding something that would revulse your friends, and you perfectly know it. That's not being a good friend, at all.

>>52662982
A level 1 sex offender is barely worth torturing. How long ago was this? What was the situation? Just a reminder that a teen girl got level 1 sex offender status for owning her own nude selfies.

>>52664041
wow its like im in high school again!

>>52664627
>it's about trust
I'll play your game. If I was playing with a DM and he told the table Joe the Rogue was a pedophile who had served his time and was going to therapy sessions when it was not relevant to everyone at the table (as in, if even one person at the table was childless), I'd literally never trust that DM with anything even remotely important.

The only way the DM can avoid losing any trust at all is by convincing the player to come out by himself. Anything else and trust will be damaged.

>>52664652
The OP said it was like, five years ago I think?
He filmed his 12yo little sister and he was addicted to child porn.

>>52664285
>not doing background checks on people you associate with
I bet you don't have extensive talks with your girlfriend's parents either.

>>52664664
This is outright pedophilia. I'd heavily recommend staying clear of such a person.

>>52664636
>Now I feel like I'm in an awkward position of keeping a pedophile's secret
Ok, so what you're going to do now is take the pedophile aside and tell him exactly what you told us in that post. Then go from there.

>>52664611
yeah that guy wasn't a pedo. He was a straight up NUTlessCASE

>>52664642
>If your friend rapes someone people don't automatically assume that you're a rapist.
No, but if you are friends with a rapist, they'll automatically assume you're the kind of guy who likes being friends with a rapist.

>>52663070
You know that level of recidivism is exactly because they almost never get second chances, right? Get stuck with an illegal sexual kink and see the world treat you like you're a monster despite doing all you can to get treated. Not to mention looking for help is admitting you're a pedo and therefore human trash.

>>52664661
You don't know if it's relevant. You don't know the life of the people playing with you, as we can see in this thread.
If the DM told the table that Joe the Rogue was a pedophile and he felt he had to tell the table because it was too important to not say anything to be sure that everyone is okay to play with him, I'll be certain that this guy is not gonna let me walk home with a rapist, or lend money to a thief.

The fact that you'll never trust him again is irrelevant. A lot of people would do the same thing, and you perfectly know it. Most people reaction to this type of act is disgust and anger, that's why OP made this thread.

>>52664640

I'm not some paragon of virtue, and I definitely have cowardly tendencies like anyone else. I am fully willing to feign ignorance or, like I said above, throw the guy under the bus if it came down to it. I'm not too worried about getting super associated with this guy, nobody outside of the players even knows I have a weekly game.

>>52664652
How does it even work in the USA, do people once they turn 18 get booted and sent to the opposite coast "well you're on your own now, buddy"?
Age of consent in Poland is 14, Japan has 12 in some prefectures, and it usually (barring deadbeats and cesspool) work with parents knowing, and approving (or not) of your partner.
No problem with kids falling for student loans either (only illiterate adults who used loans in a foreign currency)

>>52664707
>Japan has 12 in some prefectures
No it doesn't. Nowhere in Japan is the AoC below 15.

>>52664692
No they don't, you just know shitty people.

>>52664707
>Consent laws are the means to arrest black ghetto thugs when they bang white chicks

>>52664636
The pedo told YOU his secret, not your friends. He was under no obligation to do so, and it would be a betrayal of his trust to tell the rest of the group. From your account the man sounds repentant and low-risk, so I see zero reason to kick him out nor to tell the rest of the group unless he chooses to.

He has received society's punishment and is trying to change. Give him a chance.

>>52664707
The US is very retarded on a LOT of issues. Being a very religious country, anything related to sex is very touchy stuff.

>>52664699
>I'll be certain that this guy is not gonna let me walk home with a rapist, or lend money to a thief.
See, that would be relevant. But if you weren't lending money to a thief, why would you care if you're playing, or doing anything that not involves lending money with a former thief?

If my friend was about to lend money to a former thief who admitted so to me in confidence that he did time for it, then the best course of action is to tell the friend alone, not scream it at the table.

>The fact that you'll never trust him again is irrelevant
Make up your mind, either trust is relevant or irrelevant.

>>52664702
If you're not worried about your image, it's your choice. But you SHOULD warn the other players, because getting friendly is the best way to be invited to another's home and there might be children there.
Or else, you can ask the guy if he'd be ready to confess his stuff in front of the rest of the table. It's also about THEIR reputation.

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>>52664699
>that's why OP made this thread.
Pretty sure OP made the thread as he knew it was the perfect bait for a tiny shit storm.

>>52664699
Only relevant if he's dating your sister
>So you're going to let him diddle your sister then? eww enabler

>>52664740
>newfag

>>52664740

Ha, I made this thread because I legitimately didn't know if it was horrible I was considering keeping him around, and I'd much rather find out from strangers what they'd do than ask people who know me and give away the pedo thing.

>>52664611
>had no sexual drive after his self mutilation. No drive = no chance of further abuse.
That is not how it works

For any of the things you just said

>>52664721
>>52664642
Alternatively, see the post directly above yours >>52664640
>this WILL damage everything about your image
It's a real thing.
Has been for ages.
Countless sayings and stories about it.

But sure, pretend it's just me.

>>52664728
For some reason, the USA can be downright puritanical.

>>52664802
>For some reason, the USA can be downright puritanical.
Probably because a large number of the original colonists were puritans?

>>52664728
Except abortion, adultery, pornography, one night stands, orgies, and homosexuality.
but clearly it's too conservative.

>>52662879
12 year olds are usually in the middle of puberty if not already far along. He's not even a pedo. In fact, a hundred or so years ago this guy would be considered completely normal. It wasn't until the early 1900s that age of consent was increased from 10~13 to 16~18. As he's only a level one offender, and your interaction with him involves no one under age, I see no reason to change anything. I definitely wouldn't let the other players know. You can't trust people to handle things calmly, especially when you can expect them to be ignorant on what pedophilia actually is and how distorted the law is on the subject.

>>52664826
"fornication" was the word you were looking for

>>52664764
If we start asking the sexual and criminal historics of all our acquaintances, we'll never see the end of it. The guy is aware he has a problem, he's in therapy and isnt a problem to anyone in the group? Just let the man be ffs. He already have enough problem living with this shit and everything that came after his offense.

>>52664628
Can't agree there.

With how I have acted towards him, and with all the shit he put up with, I am legitimately surprised he stuck around.

I don't even feel bad for him. Like, at all. He brought it on himself.

I know these guys are mentally ill. But he fucked a 13 year old who "wanted it".

The story according to his psych is that this girl was toying a bit with him. She got a reaction, and escalated it. At some point, it had gone too far, and he, a fucking 24 year old, dipped it.

That's fucking retarded. At least he made sure he couldn't so it again, but come on buddy, that requires some serious mental illness to make that kind of decision. Something is very wrong with you if you do this kind of shit, because no matter what the fuck a 13 year old does to lead you on, IT IS A CHILD.

Like, holy shit man. You dont fuck a cat because it keeps showing its ass to you. Same shit.

>>52664840
Thank you!

>>52664826
Abortion is still a VERY hot topic in the US and the country is deeply divided by it. Homosexuality, while legal and everything, is still shunned and persecuted openly in many states.

>>52664818
That would be it, yes.
You get a cookie.

>>52662879
If you have no kids around you might be worried about, just leave him in. He's been fun to play, he's done time, he's recovering. Perhaps even through roleplaying interactions taking his mind off of things.
As long as you aren't the average pathfinder general poster group, he shouldn't have any stimulus and risk relapse, even in a fantasy environment.
He came clean to you after some time, he did it without request of any sort and without any suspicion, so your real question is when letting the other players know, if ever. I suggest letting
him share the information himself when he feels ready, in accord with you, in a moment of safety.
Communication is good, if you say it out loud you have less to fear than hiding stuff. Despite his past errors, he did the right thing, so you do yours.

>>52664764
Hey OP, I've been thinking. Do you know if he's really only a level 1 sex offender?

If you can't find his name on the registry, can you take him at his word?

>>52662879

Depends, OP. Do you believe that a person's past deeds forever inform their future actions? Do you believe that people are able and willing to change?

Do you care about these things? Are you or anyone you know at risk of having their pictures taken?

>>52664863
It baffles me how there is even a debate if you can murder the product of your own irresponsibility.
Don't get raped. there are dick-mangling traps as a last resort, and 2nd amendment should clear all other cases.

>>52664846
>With how I have acted towards him, and with all the shit he put up with, I am legitimately surprised he stuck around.
You're probably the friendliest guy he knows.

>>52664787
Quoting the psyche last who has been in charge of him since he was put in prison.

I am going to assume a professional knows their shit.

>>52664846
>13 year old
>child
So have we all just decided teenagers don't exist anymore? That until midnight on their 18th birthday everyone is just an innocent little baby?

I think it's more fucked up that Western society has demonized sex so much that people seriously believe puberty isn't a fucking thing anymore and people below the age of 18 are somehow unaware of sex and their own sexuality until their 18th birthday.

>>52664846
>that requires some serious mental illness to make that kind of decision.
Humanity was fine with making that decision for multiple centuries. Biologically nothing has changed. There's nothing wrong with you if you're physically attracted to pubescent bodies. It's only society in the past century that has decided it's wrong.

>>52662879
From my experience paedophiles never "get better" It's like trying to turn a gay guy straight.
The best that can be hoped for is to teach them to stop acting on those influences.

As long as you don't have kids and he isn't acting out fantasies in game. I wouldn't have a problem.
If you're really not sure put it up to group vote.

>>52664880
>Don't get raped.
Good policy that.
You should run for office with such clever insights.

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>>52664880
>dick-mangling traps as a last resort
Friendly advice from someone who lost a friend because of this:

Don't use it. Ever. The rapist WILL kill you, if not torture you first.

You are better off packing cyanide pills and chucking one of you get raped.

>>52664905
He'd probably get elected.

>>52664905
>You should run for office with such clever insights.
You say that like it hasn't worked for a large number of Republicans.

>>52664894
>23 year old fucking a 13 year old
>DON'T DEMONIZE SEX
Literally kill yourself you sick fuck.

>>52664894
Whinging about where we draw the line is not what this thread is about.
Save that for your next group therapy session.

>>52664921
Literally educate yourself, you brainwashed fuck.

>>52664880
>Don't get raped
Because I'm sure that is a choice that people who are raped have a hand in, anon.
>>52664894
People are quick to act like they don't after they are no long teenagers themselves and seemingly forget what it was like.
As for OP, I'd go on with the game simply because if it hadn't come up before, and the guy is making solid attempt to put his best foot forward, well, who doesn't have their sins to be judged?
>t. recovering alcoholic with a long list of offenses

>>52664921
Your reaction just proves my point.

Shame.

>>52664921
Yeah...

Teenagers can start being sexually active at that age, sure. But 13 year olds dicking 13 year olds is just equally awkward teenagers playing around.

A 23 year old fucking a 13 year old is completely different. You can't compare those 2 cases.

>>52664846
It's retarded because of the social consequences, sure. But have you seen a thirteen-year-old lately? They're usually well along sexual maturity, and they often dress provocatively.

Until relatively recently in Western society, thirteen-year-old girls were considered marriageable. Romeo was in his twenties and Juliet was thirteen or fourteen. It's really not that weird unless you're incapable of looking past your own (shitty) contemporary society.

>>52664905
Taking basic countermeasures to protect yourself against criminals is YOUR responsibility.
I came out on top from a few mugging attempts, never got drunk beyond control in an unfriendly environment either.

>>52664911
Why not stab a rapist, pepper spray him, protect your glass from getting slipped a mickey?

>>52664921
13 is iffy indeed, consider 15 and 23 with parents of both parties approving of the relationship?

>>52664942
It's weird because mentally they're children. There's a reason there are underage bans in lots of places, kids are immature shitheads. They can dress provocatively, but if you fuck them it is weird and immoral be cause you're literally taking advantage of a child for lust.

>>52664930
Surely they don't have another they at the office then in the blink of an eye they're getting raped by 50 goons in an alleyway?

>>52664942
>But have you seen a thirteen-year-old lately? They're usually well along sexual maturity, and they often dress provocatively.
I have. I am part of a role-playing club with several younger girls.

And you know what? They look like children trying to be adults. It is funny at best, and cringe at worst. It can't be attractive. Developing confused kids with literally 0 sense of what the fuck they are doing is never attractive.

If they are to you, you might have some issues you need to look into. Or hopefully you are at least close to 18.

>>52664958
15 is better, but to be frank most year olds are still children. There's a lot of pressures for a kid out there, and it's just not good to put a child in that kind of position.
>>52664974
Exactly.

>>52664958
>Taking basic countermeasures to protect yourself against criminals is YOUR responsibility.
>victim blaming
I'd call you a troll, but people actually think this.
They are invariably guys who carry an opinion of their own invulnerability.

>>52664959
>kids are immature shitheads
So are a LOT of adults, and depending on their life circumstances a lot of 13 year olds can be more mature than your average american 21 year old.

AoC laws exist for the sake of convenience. Otherwise every case would have to be judged legal or not individually.

>>52664942
>looking past your own (shitty) contemporary society.
This is fine.
Advocating diddlin' younguns 'cause "Y'all ain't sophisticated 'nuff ta know society's rules don't matter!" ain't fine.

You are part of society, bitch.

>>52665000
If an adult is immature it's on them. Children's brains are still developing. You're either lying to yourself, or haven't spent much time around children if you think more than 1 in 200 13 year olds act like an adult.

>>52665013
>Advocating diddlin' younguns
Which he was not, anon.
What he was saying was that the overblown reaction people have is greatly at odds with most societies in the history of civilization, and is almost solely an American thing, which should not really be taken as the basis for anything sex related given it's roots.

>>52664958
>Why not stab a rapist, pepper spray him, protect your glass from getting slipped a mickey?
Because a 50kg half drink chick can't really defend herself against a 130 kg gorilla who can't understand what "no" means.

Also just warning people about the infamous death trap that is the dick mangler. Had a very good friend who got killed because she used it. He had broken her bones in 4 separate places, pulled her jaw off the socket, and beaten her into a mess that barely looked humanoid.

She didn't die until she was on the way to the hospital.

>>52665022
>Children's brains are still developing.
Your brain doesn't stop developing and hit adult mode on your 18th birthday. Scientifically speaking you're still going through puberty up through your early 20s and in most people the process doesn't reach full "adulthood" until 25-28.

The "still developing brain" argument, if anything, just proves we should raise the AoC to 25.

>>52664958
>I came out on top from a few mugging attempts
>on top
So, you raped your muggers?
You must be so manly.

I guess when your mother gets raped you can tell what she did wrong.

>consider 15 and 23 with parents of both parties approving of the relationship?
Why can't they wait a few years for sex again?

>>52664959
Sure. It goes against the idea that both partners in a relationship should be equal. Which is fairly objectionable to most people, but it's not objectively worst goddamn thing in the world like some people in this thread are saying

>>52664974
Women are sexually infantilized to a certain extent, even if they're adults. The qualities men find attractive in women are often childlike. Consider the airheaded bimbo stereotype, for instance.

>>52664959
>Taking advantage of a child for lust.
There's a difference between using an underage pubescent person for a pump and dump and getting into an actual relationship. I don't think anybody is defending the former. The latter, however, is demonized for bad reasons. The only reason you can even think of it as taking advantage is because you've demonized sex to the point that teaching pubescent children about it and relationships properly has somehow become something sick to do. Instead you leave them in ignorance. You view them as lesser people incapable of making decisions.

>>52664992
Law isn't a preventive, it's an information "if you do X you'll receive Y as a punishment"
At best it might be a deterrent, but it's a guideline what should be done if someone does the thing everyone agreed on not doing.

>muh victim blaming
>don't teach me to lock my doors at night, teach burglars not to burglarize my rectum

>>52665039
Why was she getting drunk and with nobody to protect her if she's unable to do it herself?
Knives and pocket guns are nice equalizer.

>>52665039
You know you're gonna get a "well she should have had a bazooka in her purse and asploded everyone near her just to be sure"

>>52665053
My father would not allow my mother to get raped.
Neither would I.

>>52665033
>almost solely an American thing
And European, and a lot of Asian countries...
>>52665056
>airheaded bimbo stereotype
This stereotype is considered hot because:
1. Easy sex, requires very little effort, and they likely have a lot of experience.
2. They look like blow up dolls with huge tits.

Both requirements have to be fulfilled to qualify as an "airheaded bimbo". Neither of these fit on a child.

>>52664974
Not him, but I've seen pictures of young, too young, teens that were attractive.
But put me in a room with anyone in their earlier twenties or younger and they seem like children to me and any attraction is lost.

>>52665022
>haven't spent much time around children if you think more than 1 in 200 13 year olds act like an adult.
You haven't spent much time around adults if you think more than 1 in 200 20 year olds act like an adult.

You don't magically become aware of all things adulthood and maturity on midnight of your 18th birthday.

>>52665063
>Why was she getting drunk and with nobody to protect her if she's unable to do it herself?
>Knives and pocket guns are nice equalizer.
Could we not imply drunk people need to have knives and guns on them?

>>52665047
You're a legal adult at 18. This means you're free to make your own decisions. Until the, your innocence and immaturity is protected by the law. Do 18 year olds still get taken advantage of? Yes, of course, and it's legal. Can't protect them forever though, eventually the burden is on them.
>>52665056
Who cares if it's the worst or not?
>>52665058
Its demonized because it is a messed up thing, for an adult to love a child like that. For a child, Yes I will demonize sex with an adult. You'd be crazy not to. If kiddos want to experiment with eachother it's on them, but its quite literally taki g advantage of a kid otherwise. You care about your child waifu so much? Keep it in your pants until it's legal. They can make decisions, but they're not old enough to make the right ones more often than not.
>>52665089
Looks!=Personality. To the guy I replied to above, this is where you fall apart. You are either messed up in the brain to be attracted to a child, or doing it from lust.
>>52665097
Your brain literally starts thinking rationally as you mature. Your brain goes from thinking with your emotion center to logic center. Not immediately when you're 18, but it's a good benchmark for maturity.

>>52665033
>What he was saying was that the overblown reaction people have is greatly at odds with most societies in the history of civilization, and is almost solely an American thing, which should not really be taken as the basis for anything sex related given it's roots.
...which is a precursor to advocating for diddlin' younguns.

You don't point out high gas prices unless you wish they were lower, anon.

>>52665058
>The only reason you can even think of it as taking advantage is because you've demonized sex to the point that teaching pubescent children about it and relationships properly has somehow become something sick to do.
What?

No, you have something wrong here.

Several of the girls at the gaming club I frequent know a ton about sex. Their parents told them, or they have tried out a few things themselves. Likely a lot of internet browsing helped them here.

This is fine. And them going wild with a 13 year old boy is also fine.

What is not fine, is a grown adult taking advantage of a young, inexperienced child, abusing their vantage as being older and possibly even a role model, for sex.

That is sick. Children knowing what sex is, is perfectly fine.

>>52665110
>Not immediately when you're 18, but it's a good benchmark for maturity.
Meh. 21 would be better, but some things get grandfathered in, I guess.

>>52665098
>Could we not imply drunk people need to have knives and guns on them?
Of course not, women should just be barred from drinking (for their own protection)
and never allowed outside without a escort of armed male relatives who'd nev rape her and if she said so she is a filthy lying whore.

>>52665098
Why not?
Why do you want to disarm people then complain
>teach people not to commit crimes reeeee
>why do you expect me to have a shred of responsibility for my own life

>>52665110
>Yes, of course, and it's legal. Can't protect them forever though, eventually the burden is on them.
Quick question, are you planning to murder your parents the moment they reach retirement age so they don't burden the social security system and they've exhausted their use?
I'm 21, my father's 53, she still helps me out with legal shit and taxes, because he's been doing it for over 30 years more than I have.
Once she retires she'll be living in my home with ME providing for HIM in return.

>>52665076
Is that why she must be constantly escourted when allowed out of the kitchen?
What if whoever is with her needs to go rape some muggers?
What do you then?

>>52665063
>Why was she getting drunk and with nobody to protect her
Because we were terrible friends, and stupid as fuck.

>>52665144
>Why not?
Because they're fucking drunk. If they're in no state to legally operate a motor vehicle, what the fuck are they going to do with a weapon?

>>52665110
>You're a legal adult at 18. This means you're free to make your own decisions. Until the, your innocence and immaturity is protected by the law. Do 18 year olds still get taken advantage of? Yes, of course, and it's legal. Can't protect them forever though, eventually the burden is on them.
>Your brain literally starts thinking rationally as you mature. Your brain goes from thinking with your emotion center to logic center. Not immediately when you're 18, but it's a good benchmark for maturity.
There's literally no reason this age of adulthood couldn't be anywhere between 15 and 21, your whole argument just goes to show how completely arbitrary the chosen number "18" really is. And if you sincerely believe that 18 is the objective magic number of adulthood regardless of the law then that just goes to (further) show how horribly uneducated you are.

>>52665085
The bimbo lacks awareness, similar to a child. If children weren't protected by parents and older family, they'd be easy to have sex with too because they're so naive and impressionable.

>>52665110
>You are either messed up in the brain to be attracted to a child, or doing it from lust.
So most of human civilization was "messed up in the brain" because child marriage was acceptable? You're just speaking from your own values and trying to pass it off as psychological truth.

>>52665163
See
>>52664927
>Whinging about where we draw the line is not what this thread is about.
>Save that for your next group therapy session.

>>52665144
I mean legally you can't protect them retard. Eventually they have to make their own choices. I didn't say disown your children.
>>52665163
Legally it's 18. Of course Its subjective. Did you notice the part when I said "not immediately when you turn 18". Its near that time. Could a 17 year old make as good decisions as an 18 year old? In some cases yes, but The law needs to draw a line somewhere.

>>52665089
>Not him, but I've seen pictures of young
Pictures is not the same.

Pictures of young girls being unnervingly attractive, is often because of heavy modifications, either pre- or post-shoot.

Some of the young Disney chicks are far too prettier up by professionals, who are more than capable of making even 12 year olds look hot. Slap on some heavy computer editing, and even a little child could look far more attractive than you would ever realistically find.

A plain chick who doesn't have an army of stylists, wont look even remotely adult or attractive.

>>52665182
>So most of human civilization was "messed up in the brain" because child marriage was acceptable?
Correct. There's this thing called progressive insight.

>>52665182
Doing it out lust yo. You're saying you enjoy the company of a child, in terms of human conversation?

>>52665200
It is folly.

>>52665202
Nah, I'm gay.

>>52665110
>ts demonized because it is a messed up thing, for an adult to love a child like that. For a child, Yes I will demonize sex with an adult. You'd be crazy not to. If kiddos want to experiment with eachother it's on them, but its quite literally taki g advantage of a kid otherwise. You care about your child waifu so much? Keep it in your pants until it's legal. They can make decisions, but they're not old enough to make the right ones more often than not.
Circular logic is circular. You've done nothing but further prove that your argument is illogical.

>>52665116
What is not fine, is a grown adult taking advantage of a young, inexperienced child, abusing their vantage as being older and possibly even a role model, for sex.
>That is sick. Children knowing what sex is, is perfectly fine.
Sounds like you've assumed a pump and dump scenario, for no reason. Why is it taking advantage? You've immediately demonized the other person by assuming he's not serious and he's out for easy pleasure. Also how can you sanely claim they're inexperienced right after claiming that they're well educated and experienced on the subject matter?

>>52665211
What's gayness have to do with enjoying speaking to someone? You're just proving my point that it's lust more than anything.
>>52665219
It's taking advantage because they're a child and you're an adult. They're inexperienced mentally. Knowing what sex is does not equal maturity emotionally and mentally.

>>52665219
>Also how can you sanely claim they're inexperienced right after claiming that they're well educated and experienced on the subject matter?
Are you fucking 16?

Educated and self-taught =/= experience

You would know this if you were 20+.

>>52665219
>Why is it taking advantage?
Because of the implicit position of authority an adult has over a child.

Why is this so difficult to grasp?

>>52665250
>Because of the implicit position of authority an adult has over a child.
Where? Utah?

>>52665241
It's more than just lust. The appeal is that you can shape her mind as she grows older and make her into a perfectly loyal wife. Read Genji Monogatari sometime.

No, a child isn't very interesting to talk to. It's the child's potential and capacity for learning that's attractive.

>>52665263
t. autist

Adults always have implied power over children, that's how society works.
>>52665269
You don't see how that's creepy? Let them become the person they want to be. Life isn't one of your mangas.

>>52665263
Human society. Adults raise children. This is not an equivalent relationship.

>>52665263
>Where?
Literally everywhere.

>>52665269
>It's more than just lust. The appeal is that you can shape her mind as she grows older and make her into a perfectly loyal wife. Read Genji Monogatari sometime.
Which is the exact issue with a child being with someone twice their age.

Like... This is actually the exact issue, and why paedophilia is considered wrong.

>>52665280
>>52665292
>"All of society pre-1900s is creepy."
I want to go back to Rome.

>>52665292
But, are you saying his pedo mangos have lied to him?

>>52665269
>The appeal is that you can shape her mind as she grows older and make her into a perfectly loyal wife.
Other people aren't extras in the movie that is your life, you sociopath. Let children grow into proper individuals rather than your emotional hostages.

>>52665301
No, just you.
You're creepy.
You are creepy as fuck.

Pre-1900s society would probably agree.

>>52665301
It is creepy. Maybe if you neck yourself, your personal hell will look like Rome? You're just highlighting even further why pedophilia is wrong.

>>52665241
>It's taking advantage because they're a child and you're an adult. They're inexperienced mentally.
This slippery slope is a blanket statement. You can't assume that all people develop their understanding of action and consequence at the same rate any more than you can assume that all people's bodies age and develop and the same rate.

>Knowing what sex is does not equal maturity emotionally and mentally. >>52665249
No shit. And they have no experience because you've demonized the whole thing.

>>52665250
>Because of the implicit position of authority an adult has over a child.
>Why is this so difficult to grasp?
It's not difficult to grasp. It's circular logic. It's 'taking advantage' because they have a position of authority and they have a position of authority because they're taking advantage. You'd only have a point if it were the parents, uncles, doctors, etc of the pubescent children who were making the moves. If it's someone who is making a sincere gesture and plans for marriage your entire argument falls apart.

>>52665292
>Attraction to pubescent bodies that can reproduce is pedophilia.
Educate yourself before putting your foot in your mouth.

>>52665326
All of pre-1900s society would agree with him. Do you even know why the age of consent was raised from 13?

>>52665364
>Do you even know why the age of consent was raised from 13?
Suffragette movement?

>>52665280
>>52665307
I'm curious if you actually think Genji is a manga.

>>52665364
>No shit. And they have no experience because you've demonized the whole thing.
No, they don't have any experience because they are fucking 13.
Give them 10 years and they'll have the necessary experience. Hell, for a lot, 5 years is enough. But you cant compare a 13 year old to an adult and blame "demonization".

There is legitimately something wrong with you.

>>52665364
I don't really care about age of consent returning to good old times
I'd rather duels were reinstituted and education made non-compulsory and sex-segregated

If some philosphers are to believed, zeitgeist will bring them back