Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

I saw an 1850 game on Friday where it was Ynnari Eldar vs Orks and the Orks player tabled the Eldar player in turn 3 and only lost 1 model. Absolutely ridiculous, especially knowing that the orks player is actually pretty decent

Who is more braindead? Ork players or Nid players?

How good would a singleSisters of Silence squad be at raping Thousand Sons units?

>>52662004
Tau players and GK players.

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Reposting from last thread, I am trying to build my first 1850 list. How does this look?

>read nid codex
>all the fluff is about nids losing hard and getting fucked by guardsmen

Why is this allowed...

>>52662036
Blame the King of Crud.

>>52662036
>read the nid codex
>there is no mention of them losing to guardsmen except for the final battle on Kel'shan where a Cadian fleet allies with the Tau to defeat a hive fleet

?????????

>>52662004
It requires a good deal of creativity to make a nice looking army out of kitbashin' other armies kits (and even things from outside the game).
On the other hand, at least in my experience, 'nid players just spam fucking flyrants and complain that their army is "literally the worst in the game" when they inevitable lose because of it.

Nid players are also the grill's choice of faction. Take that however you will.

>>52662036
The last person to write their codex was a butthurt guardfag who nerfed their codex into the ground while simultaneously turning the eldritch space bug menace into a palette swap of his own faction crunchwise.

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Working on custom scenarios. How does this sound?

Attack at Dusk/Dawn
Players roll off. The winner chooses attacker or defender, and the attacker goes first, and chooses to attack at dusk or dawn.

Attacking at Dawn starts the game with night fighting and it ends on a 4+, 5+, auto in the following turns. Attacking at dusk starts off normal but on a 4+, 5+, auto in the following turns, night fighting takes place.

The map looks like pic related.

Defenders must deploy 12" away from either side, and the only units who can Deepstrike are Jump/Jet infantry. Drop pods must start deployed. Infiltrators can not deploy within 12" of the enemy table edge.

Any Attackers not in reserve must enter the battlefield from their table edge on T1, and outflanking units can not enter the supply line the turn they enter the table. Infiltrators may not start in the supply line. Scouts may make their scout move using their table edge as a starting point.

Objectives:
Attackers gain 1 VP for each unit in the enemy supply line and for each destroyed supply cache and 2 VP for each controlled cache.

Defenders gain 1 VP for each destroyed enemy unit and each surviving supply cache.

Not sure how to handle the supply cache. I'm thinking maybe an 11/11/11 vehicle with 1 HP.

>>52662004
Ork players but space marine players are the biggest faggots in 40k. 30k is excusable since it's better and it's pretty much just space marines.

>>52661963
You lying faggot. You took my post and recreated it. It was actually GK vs Orks. I didn't ask what list the GK player was running. Just remember seeing a stompa on the board thinking it looked awesome.

>tfw want a third army but not sure if I'm able to juggle three

>>52662036
Why not? Nids are always shit and a joke army.

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Working on this list, how would you guys improve it?.

>>52662127
>playing black templars and not white templars
Kill yourself

>>52662006
>I saw an 1850 game on Friday where it was Ynnari Eldar vs Orks and the Orks player tabled the Eldar player in turn 3 and only lost 1 model. Absolutely ridiculous, especially knowing that the orks player is actually pretty decent
I saw an 6500 game on Friday where it was Space Marines vs Space Marines and the Space Marines player tabled the Space Marines player in turn 3 and only lost 1 model. Absolutely ridiculous, especially knowing that the orks player is actually pretty decent

>>52662099
*Vanilla space marine players

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How would you guys shave off 25(26 in fact) points from this list so that I can take ML 2 on the librarian?

Alternatively, do you not think the librarian is needed? I feel he is for shriek, denying enemy psykers, and possibly invisibility

>>52662180
I like yellow marines though :(

>>52662121
What is 4th edition

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r8 pls

>>52662290
The Taufag is too new to have played 5th edition much less 4th

>>52662290
Also third edition and second edition.

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>>52662290
>tau players
>before 6ed
>on /tg/
Anon please

So I'm getting back into this game after 10 years

I have some chaos dreadnoughts but I see CSM can't use Dreadnoughts anymore, can I use em as Dreadnoughts?

>>52662403
Chaos just calls them Hellbrutes now.

>>52662180
*Ultramarine players

Iron Hands are cool and you know it, faggot

>>52662403
helbrutes are dreadnoughts

>>52662403
CSM Dreadnoughts have been renamed as Hellbrutes and they basically function the exact same way ignoring like 1 special rule so yeah, you can.

>>52662411
Ultramarines players are obnoxious because 99% of them are newfags who started with Battle for Macragge or Assault on Black Reach.

I'm trying to ignore the newfag factor when I say vanilla marines in general.

>>52662406
>>52662413
>>52662414

Oh, cool!

So how long until the Tau finally understand just how much of a shithole the 40k universe is and become jaded and sadistic like everyone else?

>>52662096

Anyone? My friend thought it was great, but that's one dude.

>>52662462
I hope they get hung like the commie scum they are before they get to that stage

>>52662471
fuck off back to re'ddit

>>52662484
>reddit

What?

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When you only have a basecoating brush, but you're gonna do edge highlighting anyway.

>>52662478
How did your last game against Tau go?

>>52662484
You can just say "return to reddit" next time. It's the phrase "bāck to reddit" that's spam filtered

>>52662492
thanks, bud

>>52662490
Last time I played against Tau (5 years ago) he was a total retard who wasted my 1 hour by shooting at me and not bringing searchlights while I was camping in cover.

>>52662513
Who won?

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I'm looking to start playing a character & story heavy warhammer campaign. Does anyone know any groups I could start talking to? It'd be my first time, but I love the lore, especially where the tau and necrons are concerned.

>>52662517
I think it was a tie because neither of us managed to accomplish anything at all. Literally 0 units died on either side, the center objective remained unclaimed and because this was 5th edition objectives basically counted to nothing.

>>52662528
>name for no reason
>liking tau
>asking for rpgs in the wargame thread
>looking for groups
Nigga what are you doing

>>52661958

Has anyone scanned the rules for SWA? I'd like to build a small Guard force to maintain my connection to the hobby without having to go all in on a million different vehicles and infantry,

>>52662528
>namefag
>taufag
>ERPfag
Can't make this shit up

If I'm just getting into the hobby, are there any good podcasts to listen to? Both minis in general, and 40k specifically?

>>52662296
anyone

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>>52662036
>read nid codex
>all the fluff is about nids losing hard and getting fucked by guardsmen
>Even though every conflict in it is "The Imperium of Man deployed every space marine chapter, all titan legions, every single Imperial guardsmen, and fucking everything, they held for a while but then the nids created a counter and everyone died, the end"

Even if the nids are defeated, it's usually with heavy casualties

>>52662573
no

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>>52662569
>>52662547
Should I just make a new thread for this? I'm almost completely ignorant in regard to /tg/, and have just started here. Would another board work better? I'm not trying to dampen the mood. Would this image work as a sacrifice?

>>52662006
>How good would a single unit of T3 3+ models be against an army whose gimmick is S4 AP3 guns
If you absolutely have to be a list-tailoring douchebag against one of the shittiest armies in the game, take the Culexus. A single squad of TSons rapid-firing a SoS squad will kill 4 Sisters. They'll do 0.375 wounds against the assassin.

>>52662636
Nigga, I feel like you just came from reddit.

Like

This is levels of newness that i haven't seen in a long time.

>>52662296
Why not death guard legion rules/10

>>52662618
bullshit, 7e nids are fucking shit

git gud, guardsman

>>52662649
We all start somewhere somehow. I typically come to 4chan for wallpapers and help people on /adv/.

>>52662659
It is DG, they maintain their legion rules in addition to the Vectorium

>>52661958

>Full death guard release plus new formations edition
Please enlighten me

>>52662296
Plasma is far better on Termi-cide. Far less risky with deep strike, superior performance against light armor and MEQ/TEQ.

I'd scrap a Biker to buy SW's for the CSM squads.

>>52662670
drop the name, then we can talk

>>52662670
Considering how fucking stupid you've made yourself out to be I don't think you're in the position to help anyone.

>>52662020
pls halp

>>52662679
next week, or next next week

who pays more than 50% for a pro painted model on ebay? why do they keep selling at that price

>>52662670
There we go.

>>52662020
Not sure why you don't just go full WAAC and take the Grav-cents. Nobody is going to look at that and go "what a unique, fluffy force, better pull out the casual list for this one."

>>52662638
Haven't TSons gotten a lot better with the release of Traitor Legions though? All that warp charge dice is making me a bit worried.

>>52662732
You think I should take a CAD instead?

It's a best of 3 tournament

Im about to sell a bunch of my old shit to frontline gaming, do you guys think this list of shit is worth a lot more than $227.50?? Is this a bad deal y/n?

-1 Pro Painted Metal Chaos Bloodthirster
-1 Painted Metal Chaos Lord of Change (No picture yet)
-1 Pro Painted Metal Chaos Changeling
-1 Pro Painted Metal Chaos Daemon Prince
-1 Pro Painted Metal Cypher the Fallen Angel
-1 Pro Painted Plastic Chaos Terminator Sorcerer
-1 Pro Painted Metal Chaos Kharn the Betrayer
-1 Primed Metal Chaos Abaddon the Despoiler
-10 Painted Forge World Resin/Plastic Chaos Plague Marines
-5 Unpainted Assembled Plastic Chaos Terminators
-1 Pro Painted Forge World Resin Chaos Death Guard Dreadnought
-1 Pro Painted Metal Eldar Eldrad Ulthran
-5 Painted Metal Eldar Wraithguard
-1 Pro Painted Plastic Eldar Wraithlord
-1 Pro Painted Metal Space Wolves Logan Grimnar
-1 New Untouched Storm Talon Sprue
-10 Painted/Primed Finecast Dark Eldar Wracks
-1 Painted Metal Dark Eldar Archon with Agonizer and Blast Pistol
-1 Painted Finecast Dark Eldar Archon with Power sword and Blast Pistol
-1 Painted Metal Dark Eldar Archon with Huskblade and Soul Trap
-5 Painted Metal/Plastic Blood Angels Death Company with Jump Packs
-6 Basecoated Metal/Plastic Blood Angels Death Company
-2 Pro Painted Metal Astra Militarum Techpriest Enginseers
-10 Basecoated Metal Astra Militarum Karskin Storm Troopers

>>52662740
Yeah, but rubrics and the terminators are STILL overpriced garbage

>>52662753
***********pro************* painted

>>52662740
>Haven't TSons gotten a lot better with the release of Traitor Legions though?
Lolno.

TSons are still massively overpriced, have a terrible point-to-warp-charge ratio, and lose a ton of their spells to the Tzeentch table, which is still mediocre.

Take out Magnus and they're barely above Ork-tier.

>>52662753
Post pics

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>>52662777

>>52662753
>"pro"
Are the Wracks painted or are they primed? There's a massive difference between the two.

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>>52662036
>NPC armies complaining about losing to the main faction

You're pretty much just around to give the Imperium players a break from playing against eachother.

Xenos: when will they learn?

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Potentially cheesey but just the right amount
Thoughts?

>>52662636
The common adage is "lurk more." Hang around, read and observe, but don't post until you've gotten a feel for the place.

Also, don't use the name field unless your identity is important for some reason.

>>52662789
PRO
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ORP

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>>52662777
Eldrad

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>>52662789
m8...thats barely table top quality

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>>52662791
They're all primed black except for the acothyst who is finished. They've all got they're bases textured. I really want plastic ones.

>>52662626
okay, thanks!

>>52662528
Do you know what 40k is, anon? Have you actually read the rules? Because from your post, it wouldn't appear you have. You can find a download of it in the mega link in OP.

>>52662807
yeah it's an old one but as far as the people at frontline are concerned it's the mona lisa

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>>52662812
No problem, we here at 4chan are always here to help!

>>52662821
I'm just kidding, there are actually pretty good. no shading or highlighting i can see, but defiantly competent

>>52662821
>as far as the people at frontline are concerned it's the mona lisa
Aren't they offering you like less than a quarter of the retail value for the lot?

>>52662753
>>52662789
>>52662801
Its not bad, but dont sell it for that low. You can probably make more on ebay. Maybe try and find a facebook group to sell them on?

>>52662835
You're not hurting my feelings. Truth is, I've always fucking hated the bloodthirster model. It's shitty hands and fingernails and stupid pecks just piss me off. I couldn't bring myself to look at it for more than two hours

What should I buy after 2 DA sides worth of DV for Dark Angels?
I also have a drop pod and a razorback, is the DV expansion set with the dark talon, death wing Knights , and Ravenwing command worth it next or should I focus on building a demi-company? I'm not looking to play super competitive but it's be nice to win while having fun and fluffy lists

>>52662854
Dark Angel Gauntlet squads because cheap rhinos.

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>>52662677
>those nurglite dubs
Then carry on son of Barbarus, spread the grand father gifts

>>52662841
Yeah but it's also a convenience thing. I don't wanna spend a month selling it all. I'm just saying they're not perfect, (they're obviously old and unwanted) and i'll say anything is pro painted for a couple extra bucks.

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>>52662842
The problem is that they're all from different armies. I'll have to sell all 23 lots to (mostly) different people

>>52662756
But they look so gooood

How are the Thousand Sons in the meta? And is Magnus *required* in order to be 'competitive'?

Man crisis suits can be a nuisance. They got a bunch of parts for their size and some are annoying. But the worst part by far is building sans stem

>>52662883
Rehati War Sect (Magnus 3-9 Princes or Exalteds) is top tier. Everything else is garbage.

>>52662914
Don't forget magnetizing every weapon and support system.

how do I play tau but not be a cottonheaded ninnymuggins about it

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>>52662914
cute, you think you know suffering?

>>52662958
underrated comment

>>52662955
You don't

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>>52662955
Grow some balls, play guard

>>52662917
So how do deployments/formations work? Like...lets say I get Magnus, and 3 exalted sorcerers, I need to add on the other shit? For a Thousand Son detachment/formation?

IE a Rehati War Sect, a War cabal, and a War Coven for example for the deployment. Do the points still matter or what? Like if me and a friend are doing a 1500 point game, wouldn't a detachment like this cost atleast 2490 points(That's taking the minimum number of units within each formation)

>>52663003
>So how do deployments/formations work?
Why don't you just read the rules?

>wouldn't a detachment like this cost atleast 2490 points(That's taking the minimum number of units within each formation)
Something like that. Pretty much all the Thousand Sons stuff sans Magnus is overpriced to some extent.

>>52663003
The links for the books are at the top of the page

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Why doesn't Chaos ever get xenos units?

>>52663052
>vagina mouth

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Is this too much cheese for 1250? It's using three of my favorite units: asscents, pedro kantor, and sternguard.

I took the bikers because I really don't have any ranged anti MC/tank, so I had to take a unit that was good.

I have 65 points left to fill out; I could go with double deathwind launchers, or I could drop the rhino for some devastators. What do you think?

>>52662849
>It's shitty hands and fingernails and stupid pecks just piss me off. I couldn't bring myself to look at it for more than two hours

your biggest critic is you man, if you hate it so much, why do you re-do him?

>>52663052
Because "chaos" isn't an army.

It's chaos space marines and chaos daemons.

There is no generic chaos army in which chaos worshiping xenos would be included.

>>52663153
I have the beautiful plastic one now

>>52663156
I mean, in theory, you could make them a supplementary unit, like Kroot in a Tau army, but I don't think there's a big clamoring demand for that.
I guess if you *really* wanted, you could make weird xeno-looking guys and fluff them as chaos cultists.

>>52662954
I just jammed on like 4 different guns. Some of them are hard to tell what they are anyways.
Problem solved though

so do thousand sons suck? It seems that the sentiment here is negative towards them

>>52663198
My opinion is that they used to suck more dicks than antifa sucks bull cock. Now they only suck a little bit and that's mostly because of their ridiculous points cost.

>>52662955
Don't spam riptides and don't play grey tide

>>52663198
Yes
>crazy expensive
>has to roll on worst god psy table
>the ML is worse than the marine one for no reason

So I'm just getting back in from 4e and I'm starting over with guard. I have about 1k points painted but I haven't brought any books yet. Should I just wait and see what 8e brings first?

>>52663309
All in the mega my compadre, browse to your hearts content.

Looking to start playing again after about 2 years break and have a 750pt tournament coming up, I have a full daemon army, but haven't played with any of the new rules or anything, so looking for advice on a list to take. Force FOC is 1 of everything mandatory and then 0-1 of anything non HQ/LoW.

Alternatively thinking of taking Tau, but just looking for suggestions. Not looking to make friends at the tournament either as it is not at the main store I play at, so looking to get some voucher prizes.

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>>52662793
God I know the feeling anon. Silly Imperials. We all know who the true star of the show is.

>>52663149
I'm thinking about making the biker sergeant a veteran, adding lightning claw + Thunder hammer

That's 55, and a lot to dump on a 1W model. I have doubts, but it sounds cool. What do you think?

>>52662881
If it's a thing of making as much from selling as you can, use eBay even if it takes longer. It's inconvenient, sure, but you get a better price than from selling wholesale

>>52663340
I know, I'm just meaning is it worth getting a codex now maybe? Or is 8th going to be some universal release?

Also, geedubs please don't nerf guard.

Hey guys bought my first set today.
I got some plastic glue and it came with a middle needle, and I was curious what it is for.
I thought it was a dropper but nothing seemed to come out, and with no dropper felt like alot of glue coming out.

>>52663366
Even the most conservative estimates right now would put 8th ed at a fairly major overhaul.

>>52662986
Don't you mean sacrifice your wallet to GW for models.

I can't fucking take it anymore

life sucks, I have depression

I AM GOING TO JOIN FUCKING CHAOS

Is a razorback just a rhino with a gun on top? I mean this in the literal model sense, i.e. can I buy the gun for a razorback (or use the one from my land raider), use the gun emplacement top from the rhino box, and "have a legal razorback"?

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What you working on boys?

>>52663421
Fuck off Logar.

>>52663421
Curze is that you?

>>52663445
Curze hates Chaos as much as anybody.

>>52663423
yes, as is the predator. The rhino kit even comes with the turret mount, but no turret.

I don't remember if the land raider heavy bolter is the same size or not.

"Legality" won't come into question with kitbashes or conversions, so long as it is at leat mostly GW parts and 100% obvious what unit it is supposed to represent. A rhino with a twin linked heavy bolter on top is obviously a razorback.

Personally I like to model more armor on the razorbacks and predators, to represent that in the rules they have more armor than a rhino.

>>52663450
*hated

>>52663450
Nah he just doesn't care for it. He's basically the edgy kid who joined his local anarchist club just for the sake of rebelling.

>>52662769
And Magnus isn't even that good. He is overpriced as fuck. Especially considering that Girlyman who is 300 points cheaper will take him out in CC like nothing

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>>52663459
Ok cool. I have 3 rhinos, but no razorback.

I have a LR, and magnetized the turret so if it fits then I will use that.

All that being said, I can plug it in my list for exactly 1250 points. What do y'all think? 1d4chan says TL LC is the only loadout that is worth anything so I went with that.

I suppose the tac squad will sit on my home objective sniping with the LC and grav cannon.

>>52663484

After he saved Lorgar's ass from Corvus and his legion started popping into possessed, Curse basically told him to fuck off and that he would let him down next time.

>>52663507
las-plas is also not a bad razorback loadout, but you will have to convert it yourself because there haven't been official models for las-plas in ages, unless forgeworld sells one.

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My LFGS is holding a 40k tourney next weekend (semi-competitive meta). I've decided to shoot for having fun instead of going for gold, so I've decided to bring a Talons of the Emperor list. Thoughts?

I have to position the Sisters in a way that gives me a pocket to deep strike in, but other than that, I think I can get this to work. The Malleus Inquisitor and Voldus ride with the Custodes in Deep Strike, and the Hereticus Inquisitor jumps in a Rhino turn 1 (this can help me create that pocket). The Contemptor is also going to deep strike, because why not.

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؜>>52663421
I understand that feeling anon. Imperialists suck, and while Necrons are cool with their Egyptian motif, rules, and general existence, I still feel lacking in fun or Egypt-y stuff. Truly Tzeentch is the next step to enlightenment. Change is truth.

>>52663533
I just went and checked and it does, indeed, fit correctly. I only have the TL assault cannon, is that any good?

It benefits from being the same range as the grav cannon

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>>52662487
Horry sheet

>>52663579
can they take TL assault cannon? I don't remember if they can or not as I haven't actually played loyalist sm since 5th.

Assault cannons aren't bad, but you are limited in what you can shoot at, as where las-plas not so much.

>>52663368
I use it to clear jamming and for fine glue application

>>52663557
First anon, don't look now, but I think second anon just wants you to accidently turn your friends into sentient dust so that he feels like less of a fuckup.

>>52662487
a new brush would have cost less than the bottle of super clean you must now buy

>>52662487
Fuck mate you did decent job on some of those parts with such a shit brush.

>>52663557

Just don't complain when your troops are overpriced as fuck and the majority of your psychic powers are rolled from the worst chaos god table.

>>52663368
it is to clear jams

make sure you have very good ventilation when using butanone or acetone glues (not just opening a window but using fans or a respirator). Those chemicals can cause nasty nerve damage, and repeated exposure can be very dangerous.

>>52662487
>we are the doodlemarines, the emperors doodliest and we are here to doodle on things other than our armour

>>52663613
Yes, it is an option at the same cost as TL las, las/TL plas for 20 points.

I like the idea of the las-plas now that I think about it. Too bad bolter drill doesn't effect autoguns.

>>52662487
Every brush has (or at least should have) a point. The size of the brush doesn't matter, I routinely paint infantry with a WN7 size 3 which is way larger than most GW brushes. Don't blame the brush for being shit.

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>>52662487

He's probably better than me...

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How do I shave this to 1850?. I know I am going to be told to drop the enginseer, but fuck they are just so good with a bunch of tanks.

>>52663641
I don't. I understand that to have such nice looking models, GW requires me to have such a sacrifice. I've come to terms with it. At the very least, I'll be able to have fun with my friends. I also have daemons just in case I want to change it up too.

>>52663664
>How do I shave this to 1850?
Remove models until you have <1850 points worth of them

>>52663427
A wyvern

>>52663675
Thanks anon. Quality shitpost.

>>52663641
>Worst Chaos table
>not constantly casting Treason of Tzeentch to make the enemy units kill each other over and over

what is wrong with you

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؜>>52663627
What do you mean, anon? We have so much power and countless bits of knowledge here. No accidents or mutation involved. Just simply change in your strength and intellect.

>>52663664
Get rid of the heavy weapons squad and upgrade the infantry autocannons to las cannons?

>>52663718
The problem is that Lascannons in infantry squads is you either waste your Lascannon shot, or you waste your Lasgun shots, you can use orders to get around it, but it's way better not to.

>>52663687
>not getting up in the face of a 50 man conscript blob and casting weapon virus on them so they have to roll all their shots individually.

>>52663740
Doesn't matter because we won't hit anyway. Conscripts are just meatshields.

>tfw you line your leman russes all in a row around the corner so they can only see front armour while you nail them with battle cannons

Is there a better feel?

>>52662411
>Iron Hands
>Consists of powergamers and the uncool grognards
Nah.

Non-Newfag Ultramarine players, IF players and Salamanders players are best players.

Man it's so tempting to get a knight over a superheavy. I really want a superheavy, but fuck, Knights are so much better all around and like 100 points fucking cheaper on average.

>>52663642
The GW glue they sell is dangerous and carcinogenic?
What, why don't they have any warnings on the glue???

>>52663776
Sorry, I can't hear you over ELEVEN BARRELS OF HELL

>>52663779
Idk about the GW glue, but Army Painter glue has Polystyrene. So it should be fine?

>>52663729
You say that like s7 ap4 should ever really be shooting at the same target as s3 ap-

I feel like you're spreading your points too thin anyway, that psyker should be level 2 and your plasma tank should have a lascannon.
Remove a leman and upgrade your plasma tank to a commander with the other one, make the psyker level 2 by removing conscripts if it doesn't fit.

>>52663807
Not that guy, but, S7 AP4 is to make sure whatever blob you point your fuckload of lasguns at, also gets fucked by a fuckload of Autocannons. It's only for shooting armour or heavy infantry in an emergency or if a nice target presents itself.

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How's this for a 1500pt army list?

Again, disregard the extra 5pts, that's from the list builder getting the cost of the Dreadnought plasma cannon wrong.

I need to fucking bully a Nid player

RIGHT NOW

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You know I think this list might just work. I would need some cheap conscripts though...

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>>52663886

>DoW 3 plot
>A planet they travels through the Warp. Appears in real space every hundred or so years
>It contains a apocalyptic waapon called Spear of Khaine. Eldar want it.
>Within the planet there is an ultimate evil than all three factions must unite to defeat

So...why do people think that Necrons will be the bad guys in the game? They cannot Warp travel, the weapon has an Eldar name. and Necrons are not evil let alone an "ULTIMATE EVIL".

Why do people want to force the Necrons as the bad guys when GW is moving away from that direction for the Necrons by introducing good guy Necrons like the Silent King and Trazyn?

>>52663911
>Slaneesh csm as main DoW chaos faction
Neat

>>52663911
Because we miss soulless space murder-robots.

>>52663911
I'd say Trazyn is more neutral than he is "good".

>>52663911
>Slaanesh is the main villain
holy shit, that would be cool

>>52663970
In Gathering Storm book 1, Trazyn motivation was to act as a good guy/savior because he was bored and curious.

>>52663970
He is neutral as fuck, all he wants is his space autist collection museum.

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>>52663911
Why any factions have a tussle without Chaos sticking their dick in everything?

>>52663997
Especially considering the difference in force projection capabilities. Chaos is mostly confined to black crusades and random raids.Every other race except Tau can have a good reason to be there.

>>52663997
Because Chaos is the BBEG and by far the most interesting of the "villain" factions.

Who do you want the ultimate evil to be? tyranids? Those guys are just animals.

How do you run a fluffy Space Marine list at low point levels like 750 to 1250? Space Marine Troops have too little firepower to rely on them, and the more-killy units are either overcosted into uselessness or swing right back into cheese terrritory. I feel like there's no middle ground.

>>52664011
The factions can fight each other quite happily without chaos having to stick their noses in.

>>52664011
>Because Chaos is the BBEG

This fucks me off comething chronic. Space robots coming to eat your soul and Space locusts who will devour your entire planet are way more scary than muh edgelord space marines.

>>52664019
Hey, games workshop works really hard on balancing those rules for you anon :^)

>>52664034
Who gives a fuck about wacky space skeletons and dumb animals?

>>52664032
>Omnipresent and manipulative warp force shouldn't be a part of a story about a planet touched by the Warp

Argh..

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Guys, I found this mega link in a certain Chan. It contains every single book released by GeeDubs and FW. Warhammer Fantasy and 40k. Codex, suplements, rulebooks, the IA volumes and the HH ones...everything. At least AFAIK.

I think that it should be added to the OP.

https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS

>>52664057
Because they are way more scary and interesting threat than muh cultish BDSM enthusiasts, fuck even the actual BDSM faction is more scary than them.

>>52664057
Chaos truly is the worst fanbase. We need to stop paternal child-violence if only to get rid of this cancer.

>>52664066
Do want, I don't know about random mega links though.

>>52664085
I have been using it for a while and seems legit. Only contains PDFs, tho.

>>52664066
You are a fucking moron

>>52664074
>>52664081
t. nid fanboys

Necron fanboys don't exist lol

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>>52663427
Questionably painted kill team for shadow war.

>>52664090
Where can I get 40k Audiobooks? I can't find any in the OP mega.

>>52664097
Fuck those old nids actually look not half bad with a decent paintjob.

>>52664101
Dunno. I was looking for PDFs and found them. Not interested in audiobooks at all.

>>52664101
audiobookbay

>>52664116
Do all 40k books get audiobooks? Because the selection on there seems fairly limited.

>>52664124
No. Not all of them

>>52664095
0/10

>>52664124
Not really. Mostly it's just the Horus Heresy stuff that gets audiobooks but there are some other audiodramas.

>>52664111
Second edition tyranids are legitimately really good models. They're extremely detailed with a strong, consistent design and aren't overly busy.

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>>52664074
>Necrons
>scary

Who are you kidding mate?

>>52664101
there's a lot of them on youtube.

>>52664132
Fuck man it looks like it's pretty much all space marine shit and HH crap.

>Want to make a Death Guard army
>but the release is rumoured to be late May so anything I buy/convert is gonna be outdated in some weeks
FUUUUUUUUUCK

>>52664097
You should work on not fucking up your mobile picture uploads.

>>52664154
I have a broken camera anyway so I'm not super concerned about it.

>>52664147
Those pauldrons look great

>>52664158
I mean not having them rotate sideways when uploading.

>>52664159
And as we all know, the pauldrons determine 90+% of the models coolness.

>>52664147
Just wait.
Google "deferred gratification"

>>52664169
I think you mean "delayed gratification"

>>52664168
I think it was confirmed by GeeDubs.

I would paint an SM army just because of them

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>>52664181

Okay so what if I have a death guard terminator lord and I hide him in like 30 cultists?

>>52664199
You have a death guard terminator lord hidden in like 30 cultists

>>52664203
But would it achieve anything on the battlefield?

>>52664214
If you can hit anything with it, sure. Otherwise it's a nice bubblewrap, but plague zombies makes a much better bubblewrap.

>>52664199
I don't quite understand what you're trying to imply here.

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Is it safe?

Is it worth the points?

>>52664219
I can't find the Plague Zombie rules in the codex.

>>52664236
>Is it safe?

No.

>Is it worth the points?

Depends on the user and target.

>>52664236
I think so. I haven't used it much, but mostly play IG, so anything with more than S3 is welcome. Also, you know. Human filling is free.

>>52664199
Tarpit mode

>>52664263
MEQ firing it at other MEQ?

>>52664246
Look under Typhus.

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Thinking of starting Black Legion, looking for advice on my "oh god what am I doing"-tier list. I've only read the relevant books once each so sorry if I missed an important rule or something. The fluff is TL;DR Slaaneshi defector for Emperor's Children leads multi-God task force of BL vets since all of his old homies died in the slave wars, except his personal retinue.

I know terminators suck but running a super elite army of 10,000 year old bastards in power armour is why I wanted to run BL in the first place, so please no "drop all the termis, they're shit" advice

1k CSM, Black Legion (Traitor Legions rules), CAD

HQ:
>Chaos Lord (150) - VotLW, Mark of Slaanesh, Terminator Armour, Power Axe, Spineshiver Blade [Warlord]
Troops
>Terminators (128) - VotLW, Mark of Slaanesh, 2 Terminators with double Lightning Claws, Champion with combi-flamer and power sword
>Terminators (112) - VotLW, 2 Terminators with combi-plasmas and power axes, Champion with combi-plasma and power axe
>Terminators (112) - VotLW, 2 Terminators with combi-meltas and power swords, Champion with combi-melta and power sword
>Chosen (170) - VotLW, Champion with bolt pistol + CCW, 4 Chosen with melta guns, CCW, bolt pistol
(Rhino with Dirge-Caster)
>Chosen (175) - VotLW, Champion with bolt pistol and power maul, 4 Chosen with flamers, CCW, bolt pistol
(Rhino with Dirge Caster)

Heavy:
>Obliterator (76) - Mark of Nurgle
>Obliterator (76) - Mark of Nurgle

>>52664274
Thought Termies were Elites

>>52664271
Oh okay, that means I won't be using them because my meta eschews Special Characters.

>tfw no armies that shit out scenery

>>52664291
Black Legion can take them as troops.

>>52664236
It's handy for removing Marines- the majority of the armies in my meta. Spamming S7 and above is always good for that. It's pretty annoying when it kills your guy and you lose your plasma gun though

>>52664267
I play IG too but I always make sure that my BS3 guys only get the 5 point flamers. I give plasma and melta to my vets in carapace armour.

What would be a nice fluffy opponent for both Imperium of Man and Death Guard Chaos Marines?

>>52664344
Adult Responsibilites

>>52664324
Didn't thought of giving it to my vets. I don't play them neither. I prefer the Guard Spam. Will consider it.

Are venerable dreadnoughts worth it? It feels like they simply aren't tough or deadly enough for the points they cost.

>>52664380
If it doesn't have a grav weapon or is supporting a unit that does, it's shit.

>>52664344
Necrons

>>52664291

BL get Chosen and Terminators as troops, also Hatred (everybody else) for what that's worth. And against Imperium armies reroll all failed to hit rolls in close combat, unless I'm reading wrong. So not spectacular, good for hunting Space Marines though, which is what I was kitting the MoS squads out for; with that daemon weapon the Lord is I7, AP3, and I'm too tired to calculate how many attacks he has against SM on the charge but probably 5 or something IDK, and rerolls all failed to hit vs SM/Imperium

>>52663484
>anarchist club
isn't that an oxymoron?

>>52664364
Vets are great for special weapons because they have a higher BS and take the weapons for the same price as regular guardsmen (as well as being able to take more in a squad).

They work well in Chimeras since they can fire plenty of plasma/melta shots out of the hatch. When combined with Leman Russes sitting back and firing down the field you end up with a tough army with a high damage output

>>52663749
precisely. but it's a lot of fun to dick your opponent over like that.

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>>52663696
>sweeps chaos spawn under metaphysical rug

>>52664472
No, anarchists just believe that there should be no governing state and that the people should be free to do whatever they wish. If anything it makes perfect sense, since anarchos think that society will govern itself via communes and groups.

>>52664074
>BDSM enthusiasts
three out of four chaos gods disagree with that statement

>>52664304
The new Legion supplement has the Plague Colony detachment on page 70, which consists of a Chaos lord or Typhus, and 3-7 units of zombies. Though it can only be used by a DG army.

>>52664034
space robots coming to eat your soul and space locusts who eat planets pale in comparison to literal gods.

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>>52664508
>communes
I can hear the rotor blades now.

>>52664518
3-7 units of plague MARINES

>>52664542
I guess my eyes saw what my heart wanted.

Guess we just have to wait for the new DG release with those mutants.

>>52664308
Any vehicle heavy army. When their tanks get wreck poof! New scenery on the board.

>>52664650
>spamming fast large vehicles on a tau army

>>52664508
How will you get anywhere oh wait you can't because anarchist can not into a functional society.

Anarchist are just as retarded as communist or pure liberals. Any extreme view is retarded.

>>52664657
Leave them still so they get wreck and drop instead of Assploding. Fucking Taufags can not into scenery army.

>>52663763
>tfw not enough guard to play yet

Is there a worse feel?

>>52664691
Not having money/time to properly make an IG army

>Saddest feel?

>>52664701
Saddest feel is seeing your loyal, wonderfully painted guardsmen get mowed down without thought by a middling, un-primed waacfag.

>death awaits me feel.

>>52664142
That is actually pretty cool, good job on selling necrons to me anon

>>52664691
I bought the start collecting box. Is that enough?

>>52664744
No actually, you need another squad of guardsmen to meed the two troop minimum for a Combined Arms detachment.

>>52664744
I started with that two, now I have a Russ and another squad of loyal guardsmen.

The SC kit is great though.

I want to start Guard but I dislike how bulky the Cadians look. Are there models that share the cadian aesthetic but have more humanlike proportions? I saw the the DKoK looked better, but I don't want another Greatcoat-and-Mask army.

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>>52664757
Well, Actually, I have the start collecting box and a deathstrike missile that my nan bought me for my birthday, because she asked my cousin about models and he said that she should buy me the nuke. I'm far from mad, I just thought i'd get something else before the cold war escalated this far.

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>>52664770
See though if you obliterate the enemy before the arms race even begins then it's just a win win all round. Plus they're just cool things to have!

>>52664344
Literally any xeno faction or any chaos except nurgle (especially tzeentch).

On a somewhat related note, which forces have least justification for fighting each other?

>>52662096

I play a lot of custom scenarios with my gaming group, in fact we have a huge on going campaign with all homebrew background. As long as its reasonably balanced and you both are into you can make some games with very asymmetrical objectives and the players can really enjoy it.

>>52664765
Steel Legion?

But otherwise no, not that I can think of. Cadians with bits mixed from third party retailers can look cool though.

>>52662099
>space marine players are the biggest faggots
Everyone says this but Eldar/Tau players seem to be far worse at least on /tg/.

>>52664770
I am the man who arranges the blocks
That are made by the men in Kazakhstan.
They come two weeks late and they don’t tessellate
But we’re working to Stalin’s five year plan.
I am the man who arranges the tanks
That will make all the Nazis keep away
The Fuhrer is dead, and Europe is Red!
Let us point all our guns at the USA.
We shall live forever more!
We can start a nuclear war!

Now I have that bloody song in my head again.

>>52664782

Damn those heads are HUEG

>>52664784
Really almost any faction can justify fighting another. Imperials fight because the other is seen as traitorous, chaos is chaos, eldar and tau might fight when some eldar think the Tau are being a hindrance or the Tau try and offer them a place in the greater good.

>>52663407
in the end, it doesn't matter what army you choose then

>>52664539
All commies and all libtards must fucking hang.
>>52664666
You can't lol. Anarcho capitalism devolves into feudalism (while not necessarily bad it literally defeats the point of anarchism) and anarcho communism is a self-contradictory ideology.

>>52663156
why not, make an army out of xenos, who worship chaos?
like the Covenant from the Halo series? (ok, maybe a bad example, but I guess you know what I mean)

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>>52664782
Oh it's excellent. I even wrote fluff for it, because me and the tau guy I play against are big into the lore.

We're a force of Valhallans that got left behind on a bumfuck backwater planet, that ended up getting hit with a nurgle infestation. They didn't really know how to combat it after their forces started turning into zombies, until they stumbled on a Clunky deathstrike missile launcher from ages back that got left behind on the planet along with a stockpile of leaky missiles. They ended up pulling a less radioactive Krieg and glassing the planet, which signalled the Imperials to come pick them up. Their commissar had already dealt with chaos and because there were no traces left told them to keep schtum about it lest they all get purged by big men in silver suits, and told them that they glassed the planet because of Nids instead.

They have now been repositioned to a world that is of interest to the Tau, and have been bitterly escalating the forces they bring to their skirmishes, but never quite breaking out into full scale war.

>>52664847
You're asking that like I'm personally the head of product development for GW.

>>52664872
wait, you aren't?

>>52664380
BS 5 instead of 4 is 25% more hits when shooting (13% more with twin-linked weapons).
WS 5 instead of 4 can mean hitting 33% more often in close combat (against WS 4) or being hit 25% less (against WS 5).
Venerable is hard to quantify, but I'd say calling it equivalent to a 25% increase in durability wouldn't be unreasonable.

So, you're getting roughly 25% more performance for about 25% more points. Seems reasonable to me, assuming baseline dreads are worth it.

>>52663901
Get ministorum priests, conscripts are LD 5

>>52664835
There is a difference between communism, and socialism where bunch of freaks use pretense of communism to just get on top of capitalistic ladder.

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>>52664856
That's pretty cool man, did that play out in the game?

I haven't built up the lore for my cadians yet but I will. The armoured regiment is the 812th and the infantry regiment I haven't decided yet.

Here's my guys, what about your valhallens?

>>52664898
>WS 4
>WS 5

I'm having flashback of that shit feast thread about AoS.

Just to remind everyone. 40k is a shit system just like any GW main product system

>>52662084
They have most tentacles. Just look at dat lictor, mmm.

Female Orks when?

>>52664918
Yeah, it's pretty good, we pretty much just have whatever new stuff we get, then shit talk in character, him as some tau leader or whoever, because I don't really know tau chain of command, and me as the commissar, then we kill each other, laugh and go home to recover. And my Valhallans look like cadians because the Valhallan models are both shitty and metal, so I'm just gonna paint them in an icy colour scheme and say they got new munitorum gear that got mixed up. Don't have em to hand right now because i'm at the gym but i'll take a pic of em later.

>>52664938
No such thing. Spores, nigga

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>>52664938

>>52664947
Sick man I'm gonna have to mention that to my mates next time we have games. Fair enough on the models though, can't say I blame you.

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>>52664952
You must be 18 to post here.


I bet you think there are not half Eldar ultramarine librarians too

>>52664952
Spores are fucking sexist, we need more strong women of colour (green).

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>>52664952
Don't orks have a biological part too?

>>52664938
Yeah, Orks and Nids are so fucking shit, we should turn them into cute girls instead.

Much better.

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>>52665014

>>52665014
Nids are already girls and are already cute.

>>52664798
Huh, that's too bad. Do you know third parties that make Cadian style body parts? I feel like the arms and heads in particular are too big.

>>52664896
Sorry, I'm just some anon on an underwater basket weaving BBS.

>>52663664
Drop a lemon.

>>52665049
Nids are the cute animal faction, that's why girls play them.

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>>52665057
I've seen guys talk good things about Anvil Industries. Otherwise not too sure as I use the Cadian models.

>>52665091
Yea, they just want to eat, while all other factions are either crazy religious fanatics, crazy religious fanatic bodybuilder men or arrogant assholes.

>>52665091
This being the case, how can we improve Tyranids to further increase their appeal in this regard?

Which models are the most and least cute and what can we change about them?

>>52662118
I wish I had your innocence and self control

>>52665129
I dunno about you guys but I'd hold hands with a tyrant guard

on a sidenote why is it all the armies I wanna start (Nids,Orks and Sisters) are either trash or really hard to set up ;-;

>>52665174
Well only Nids and Ork are trash

No idea why you are talking about hard to set up? You are playing wargames expending absurd amount of money on models.

You can always go chinaman the end result for SoB is either equally bad or better than GW

Toxicrenes are pretty much the cutest.

>>52665174
Just buy 4 hive tyrants, 2 hive crones, some mucolid spores, a malanthrope from forge world and a box of gaunts and you've got everything you'll need for tyranids.

>>52665313
Tbh sometimes you just take 80 gaunts so the other army can't infiltrate or deep strike because your army occupies half the board.

Winning as tyranids is basically just being the biggest faggot you possibly can.

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Anyone have much experience with the FW Knight variants? Which is the most fun? I want one, and I know that to be totally meta I take an Atrapos or a Porphyrion, but my meta is reasonably chill so I thought I'd just get the most entertaining one.

>>52664765
Try Victoria Minis

>>52665483

Acheron or Castigator are good choices.

>>52664806

I never see Tau/Eldar starting shit. I do see Imperium fags getting butt hurt about everything and making shit up a lot though.

>>52665415
At that point play Eldar or Tau.

>>52664980
>>52665005
they retconned female orkz a decade ago, stop with your memes

Just bought two astra militarum start collecting boxes. How should I equip my two squads?

>>52665530
>You can ignore cover with meltaguns?!
>Shred on Hand flamers?!
>AV 13/11/10 for 75 points?!
>Prefered Enemy with flamers!
>Celestine?!
>1d6 shots?!

Eldar and Tau players bitch the entire game about my once per game skills.

>>52665530
>t.Tau/Eldar fag

>>52663502
>Magnus
>Not good

What?

>>52665530
I have a friend, who I love dearly mind you, but he's a Tau player and such a tool, I shit you not he complains about my orkz

>>52663502
>Ever letting Magnus into CC with something he hasn't already buttpounded a thousand times with his strength d spells.
>Ever letting Magnus into CC with Girlyman as opposed to buttpounding him with two strength d spells per turn.

>>52665582

I thought we were talking about /tg/? AKA: Imperial asshurt central.

>>52665572

Autocannons and as many grenade launchers as you have. Count them as veterans and use a CAD instead of the SC formation.
Ideally you want a battle tank and an Exterminator/Vanquisher to cover vehicle threats.

>>52665632
Nop, I can tolerate the bitch and moaning. But when they are all smug about their superior skills and tactics while using the most cheesy list ever is the annoying part.

Does anyone know whether the old (?) Elysian Torsos that look like the cadian ones are still available anywhere? the Elysians on the FW website all have stuff on the chest, I want flat ones.

>>52665650
Thanks!

>>52663901
Add priests and commissars to your conscripts.

How do we fix "anime protagonist" the faction?

>>52665917
You either ignore them, or kill them all in the background while the real war happens elsewhere

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R8 and H8, lads.

Trying them out this saturday, ambush/outflank themed. I'm going to leave my stealthsuits and darkstrider's team in reserve to outflank and the Remora starts off hovering behind LoS-blocking cover, so I can take off and start blasting shit Turn 1. Everything else deploys normally.

I'm very torn on how to field my Commander's team though. Deepstrike is out of the question, too much terrain and shitty luck to risk a valuable squad, but deploying normally wastes their potential. Outflank might help me, but I'm starting without my best markerlights and tank-busting ability. Infiltrate may leave me in a position where I can't surprise the enemy.

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Chucked together some basic nonsense from the starter kits and some other pieces I can get on the cheap.

Any tinkering that needs doing, and is it worth going raptors or should I take bikes?

Anyone know where I can find a defender of the imperium pdf? I'm on fone and can't download the 25gb mega in the op.

>>52665917

Tau are easy to beat.
>Kill markerlights
>Shoot a scary AP1/2 weapon at hammerheads so they're forced to jink and be useless for a turn
>Keep a shooty AP2 unit in reserves to kill crisis suits
>Shoot everything else at the Riptide that didn't get its 3++ off

>>52666021
25GB is not much. Even with my potato third world country internet is not much.

>>52662883
Meta depends on your locals. I play them and while everything said about their price is true, they're still not that bad, don't listen to this shit. Most people here either don't play anything but super-WAAC or don't play at all.

Pros: Fun as fuck, look rad as fuck, great amounts of relatively safe and efficient spellcasting, almost universal access to 4++ and AP3

Cons: Overpriced and therefore a very elite army. You will almost never have any numbers advantage and any loss will be greatly felt. not much legroom for listbuilding, anyone with a list at the high end of mid-tier has a good chance of handing you your ass without much effort. Your damage is almost entirely in the psychic phase, every sorcerer you lose tips your chance of success steeply into the abyss.

TS are a quirky army whose lists vary wildly. They're solid mid-tier, can go to low-end or high-end but have certain lists that make you ork-tier or fucking Taudar cheese analrape central.

>>52666071
>Tau
>Hammerhead

What bizzare world do you live where Tau are stuck playing 3rd edition.

Also it was a question about fluff. On the table top you just smash his models and give him an IG army so he can finally play a men's army instead of that faggot shit

>>52665956
> Stealth Cadre
> Allied Vindicare

Are you trying to trigger TG, anon?

>>52665956
Not sure if I should laugh or get trigger.

7th need to go, bring back 3rd master race!

>>52666081
Space is the problem m8.