>When you cycle Shefet Monitor, you may search your library

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>>52646269
bump

cant waaaait

>>52646269
If these are more waste cards I will march into WotC head office and put my size 7 sandal up their collective arse

>>52646423
What if Deserts are played on opposing lands, to destroy them?

They've already confirmed Desert won't get a reprint but we'll see more cards with the desert subtype in this set ad the next one

sorry to burst your bubble

>>52646446
How's that bad? Desert is a terrible card. Its only unique feature is that it had its own personal land type.

>>52646438
Could probably deal with something like that, maybe an enchantment that causes lands to become colourless through desert counters or some shit. But the waste cards were probably one of the single most cancerous things to happen to magic in sometime in imho
They were both pointless and retarded and a classic of example of "fixing" something that was never broken

>>52646457
desert is far from terrible, if you get multiple copies into play they can generate so much value

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>>52646423
>size 7
Anon that's adorable

>>52646585
Even tiny, small, baby man can have anger. Just a smoller anger.

>>52646457
>a land pinger
how is this bad

>>52646446
>desert subtype
Yes please. Give me deserts!

I fooled around with the desert subtype on a custom Magic set I never finished. Would love an interesting cycle of land that isn't rare, or just another shitter dual land cycle.

Considering everything else from this set has been dissapointing, I'm sure this will exceed my dissapointment expectations

>>52646269
New land. "You may exert this land to tap for one of any color". Basic tap will be colorless of course. Calling it now.

>>52646269

I think what we really need to ask is will we get more Camels in the set? Currently there's two revealed in this set so that brings the entire MTG camel count to I think five?

>>52646857
exert only applies when creatures attack

and anyw ay we already have a cycle of lands like that

http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Depletion_land

>>52646269
WotC is trying to bait me into its shitty jew game by functionally reprinting some of my favourite Onslaught cards with bumped up rarities?

Fuck.

>>52646480

The OG Desert would be a terrible card in Standard because the decks that would want it would be 3 colour control decks and they can't afford to run 4x colorless sources.

>>52646930
Its okay they will ruin it agin for you when they get rid of trample because it is "too confusing"

>>52646638
Because it only pings attacking creatures and your opponents, who can see your lands, control which of their creatures attack unless you have some rare attack forcing abilities.

>>52647140
>stops every X/1 from attacking
seems fine to me

>>52646423
>size 7
Ok Junior. Pass the 8th grade then you can level up your anger at a children's card game.

>>52647146
>>52647140

Take note that the OG Desert doesn't stop the creature from attacking. It only deals damage at the end of the combat step after the combat damage step so you can still be dead as part of the game state regardless. Besides in Standard right now the X/1's get way too huge already.

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Desert? YES

>>52647471
It's not this one

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It's shit.

>>52648428
Shit fake, yes.

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>>52648463
It's real.

>>52648485
Rise from the tides tier 1 inc.

>>52646457
>Desert is a terrible card.
According to R&D, it's too powerful for Standard.

Shoulda cost 1B.

>>52648485
>The set numbers are correct
Shit, they are real.

But still
>Same site, different qualities of picture
>Cryptic Serpent doesn't feel like an Amonkhet card

>>52648428
I wish it dealt damage to each opponent.
I mean why the fuck not?

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>>52648541

>>52648543
Likely pulled the low quality pic from a different spoiler website.

>>52648559
Now this is pretty cool.
Zero evasion including even trample sucks but oh well.

Can't wait to see the black and green gods, personally.

>>52648428
I need this to be real for my colorless (nonEldrazi) deck.

>>52648485
>>52648559
These feels like things that would be good being played with Hazoret, but in a kitchen table / jank deck.

>>52648598
Hellbent.dec in FNM level Standard?

>>52648485
>costs 2 less per split card

>>52648625
Each split card is a single card.
It sees that fire//ice in your graveyard, asks if it's a sorcery or instant, checks the box for yes, and moves on. Doesn't care that the box got checked repeatedly, it got checked, done.

>>52648614
With how standard having a shitload of burns right now, i was thinking a URdw, but that UU casting cost is going to be a bitch to color fix.

>>52648625

you wish.

>>52648428
I personally dont mind this one. It's not that bad id probably use it outside of standard, also /tg/s response to every card is either "hurdur its shit" or "hurdurr it wey 2 stronk"

>>52648625
I was once like you and thought Boros Reckoner give 6 devotions to Iroas.

>>52648428
If the inevitable rare desert is as bad I'm officially deeming this block Kamigawa 2.0

>>52648515
With this and Censor it's going to take over since it already has good matchups against mardu and saheeli

>>52648663
What if each half is different like the split cards in the set? Does it not count both the instants and sorceries? If one of the aftermaths cards is in the grave, the number of instants would be 1 and the number of sorceries would be 1 right?

>>52648428
How do cards like this even get out of the development stage.

>>52648428
For mono-red aggro/burn, this is fantastic.
>but standar-
who cares?

>>52648770
But kamigawa was good. Hating kamigawa is just a meme, right guys? Right??

>>52648843

Kamigawa was spot on... flavor and art wise. Really underpowered block, even with Jitte in it.

>>52648663
I meant the aftermath split cards. Those are instant AND sorcery.

>>52648786
Each split card is one card. Each card returns a "yes" or a "no."

>>52648865
I don't know.

Through the Breach, Goryo's Vengeance, Azusa, Jitte, Top, Kiki-Jiki, Gifts Ungiven are all pretty major players as top end, with a lot of solid role players in cards like Boseiju, Kira, Great Glass Spinner, the Shoals, Lava Spike in there.

Actually other than some assorted legendary lands that might be it, but that's a solid resume

>>52648548
When burn is finally introduced to all colors Red will still have the advantage of being the only color that deals direct damage to all opponents.

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and yes, this IS real.

also the weirdest Walker design in years.

>>52648930

Pretty cool.

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>>52648930

>>52648930

wat

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>>52648930

>>52648930
unironically good, especially for some temur energy upgrade

>>52648865
I think it was just underpowered given that it proceeded the fucking powerhouse that was mirrodin and then ravnica follwed kamigawa bro. It didnt offer a great deal to the meta at the time beside a few choice rares and its mechanics were largely self contained (but not inherently awful). Its a real shame becasue wizards didnt play it safe and made a real concerted effort to design interesting and unique cards. Half the reason modern sets are so bland is because wizards is scared of kamigawas negetive reception and try not to go out on a limb anymore. I feel sorry for kamigawa and would love to see them take another stab at it once more with feeling. And dont play it safe you do

>>52648930
Am I getting baited here. Didn't they push Nissa as solo green on purpose?

>>52648930
Fuck off nissa, we already have a UG walker and she has way better flavor than this.

>>52648930
This is pretty wild

>>52648930
Source?

That said, it's interesting design, and not automatically in a bad way. She also survives the bolt test at x=2.

Don't see a home yet for her in standard but something could pop up.

>>52648930
>It's not enough that she usurps Garruk, she has to steal from Kiora as well
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52648930
Damn this is good. The 0 ability will be extremely broken in the right deck

>>52648930
So, a good 3 mana walker? Luck involved, but if you kept hitting on your topdecking she'll be insane.

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>>52648930
So if she and Chandra hook up does that make them RUG munchers?

>>52649013
she's real

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/x-factor-planeswalker-edition-2017-04-11

>>52649025
DAMMIT CARL-okay actually that one was clever.

>>52648930
>3 Gideons
>3 Nissas
>3 Lilianas
>3 Chandras
Hell, this doesn't even look like a Nissa card but they had to make it a Nissa because the Gatewatch needs MORE exposure

At least based Jace only has 1 card even if that's just because they don't want to give blue any good card

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>>52649025

>>52648930
Why is UG SO cancerous

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>>52648930
>Nissa "I'm sure the Eldrazi will just leave" Revane
>U identity

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>>52649043
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/x-factor-planeswalker-edition-2017-04-11
N-NANI?

>>52649065
They said starting with Amonkhet they're pulling off the gas on putting the Gatewatch 5 on so many Planeswalker cards.

And don't count the intro packs, those things aren't playable they're meant for new players to have some fun.

>>52648930
If this is real that means there are going to be four Nissa planeswalker cards in standard. That pretty fucking ridiculous.

>>52648930

I knew it was coming so I'm not really surprised as such

But Jesus fucking Chirst, with this there's 4 (FOUR) Nissas legal in standard fucking STOP Wizards we don't need any more, she's not an interesting character please fuck off.

>>52649096
Hour of Devastation* excuse me

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Rhonas the Indomitable 2G
Legendary Creature - God
Deathtouch, indestructable
Can't attack or block unless you control another creature with 4 or more power.
2G: Another target creature gets +2+0 and trample until the end of turn.
5/5

Seems ridiculously easy to turn on like the white one

>>52649072
Only in EDH though. It's not really a powerhouse in other formats

>>52648908
People only meme on Kamigawa because it wasn't strong enough to bring Affinity or Tooth & Nail to heel.

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>>52648930
I am so fucking sick of the gatewatch now man. Every set forever and ever a hundred years forever gatewatch until the end of time just you me and gideon for ever a hundred times gatewatch

>>52649096
If we don't count Planeswalker decks that still makes
>2 Chandras
>2 Gideons
>3 Nissas
>2 Lilianas

But yeah, no need to complain about it when they've already started to fix the issue

>>52649141
Green is the easiest to get online considering the number of 4 and 5+ power creatures available.

>>52649141

I don't hate it, easy as fuck to turn on

>>52649141
TOQUE MORTAL

>>52649175
Heart of Kiran counts. You could be swinging with it and Snake God on turn 4 pretty easily.

Turn 2 Heart, Turn 3 Snake swing with heart, Turn 4 Scrounger swing both

>>52649141
>Green god is by far the best one
what did wotc mean by this?

>>52649141
>Seems ridiculously easy to turn on like the white one
basically he have an auto-enabler ability

>>52649018
>right deck
By default, green and blue have the best top deck manipulation in EDH. Top (+ fetches and green ramp spells to shuffle the top 3 if they're bad), Worldly Tutor, Brainstorm, Ponder, and Preordain. Momir Vig, Kruphix and Vorel love her too.

>>52649141
Death touch is worthless on a giant indestructible creature, at least he seems easy to enable

>>52649141
T1: any one drop
T2: Exemplar of Strength, counters on the 1-drop
T3: This

>>52648930
Amonkhet was a mistake. I didn't think it was possible for them to screw up an egyptian themed set, but here we are. Not even a fucking native planeswalker. WotC is officially creatively bankrupt.

>>52649167
Shittier gravecrawler but ill take it

>>52649210
NO STEP ON SNEK

>>52649141
Best new god so far. Too bad his ability can't target himself, but he'll turn on by just playing another creature on curve or activating his ability on a bear

>>52649215
Shadows had 4 Walkers, this set could have 4.

There was that art of the black woman spoiled that might be a native walker

>>52649141
so, Formidable? Just without the keyword.

>>52649215
Theros 2.0 but with worse flavor.

>>52649241
MaRo confirmed only 3 walkers this set

>>52649255
>MaRo confirmed only 3 walkers this set

Well disregard me I suck cocks

New Nissa pretty cool though

>>52649210
Kills any walls that try to block him.

>>52649193
>>52649175
you don't even need a 4 power creature, just +2/0 any 2 power creature with the snek god

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>>52649167
>sorcery speed

>>52649239
>>52649217
>more good 3 drop zombie lords
They reeeeally don't want us that have that 2 drop

>>52649141
Decently stated and costed
Bland and boring as fuck though

>>52649167
>More cancerous creatures that keep coming back
As if Scrapheap Scrounger wasn't ruining standard enough

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>>52649239
>pings opponents whenever I do gravecrawler shenanigans

I like it.

>>52649282
>Nice 2 drop zombie
What is relentless dead

>>52649293
>sorcery speed
>enter the battlefield tapped
>3mana activation ability
it's not remotely comparable to scrapheap scrounger....

>>52648891
Yes but...
>708.5. Anything that asks for a particular characteristic of a split card while it’s in a zone other than the stack gets two answers (one for each of the split card’s two halves). Anything that asks for a particular characteristic of a fused split spell gets two answers. Anything that asks for a particular characteristic of a split card while it’s a spell on the stack or that asks for the converted mana cost of a fused split spell gets one answer.

>>52649333
>is it an instant or sorcery card? yes and yes
so it gets one count.

>>52648884

it's still only one card, even if it's type is Instant Sorcery

>>52649304
Not played.

>>52649350
>two answers
two TWO 2 to too tutu

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>>52646423
Is this how you hint you're a bottom? Anywho, nothing wrong if it was wastes, but waste is a basic without a subtype. Doubtful they'll do that again with a different name.

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>>52648930
>Nissa is now UG
But my fishtits waifu.

>>52649333

this rule is outdated as of Amonkhet. Split cards combine everything when not on the stack now.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/amonkhet-split-card-rules-changes-2017-04-04

>>52649350
>>52649375
Got it. Thanks for your patience guys.

>>52649217
>>52649239
Why it WotC pushing zombies this hard?
It's the most supported tribe ever, are they running out of ideas?

>>52649323
Yeah sure, don't be surprised when this makes 28/32 cards of the PT top 8
This is even more powerful than Bloodsoaked Champion and that was a card that saw heavy play

>>52649333
I was simplifying. All of the aftermath split cards are instant/sorcery and all other split cards have the same type on both halves. So in this case, for any split card, both halves would return the same answer. The important thing here is the number of cards, not the number of answers.

>>52649167
That's a lot of restrictions.

>>52649432
>Why it WotC pushing zombies this hard?
i mean we are on egypt

>>52649444
Thanks man, I appreciate the clarification.

>le snek man and le snek god as green mythics
>both are not sneks

>>52649105
Remember, the way rotation works recently changed. When they were originally designing Amonkhet, they thought that the other Nissas would be out of Standard by now.
They've acknowledged this already, and said that in the future there's never gonna be more than one Gatewatch planeswalker in Standard at any time.

>>52649167

This is honestly solid for the existing Zombie decks. Lot of the time you are hellbent or close to hellbent and now you have a new enabler for Amalgam strategies. Question is how much grave hate will people pack in the side right now?

>>52649521
>in the future there's never gonna be more than one Gatewatch planeswalker in Standard at any time
Surely you meant one of each. No way WotC would dial it back that far.

Man, we also have that zombs enchantment and lots of embalms.

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>>52649167
Oh my god, it all makes sense now.
They don't want Hazoret in Mono-R aggro. They want her in BR/Mardu Zombie Recursion Aggro.

They're pushing all this "1 or fewer cards in had" BS for Haunted Dead and Midnight Oil!

>>52649565
Expect lots of B/W Zombies for a while.

>>52646269
A New Krosan Tusker, neat.

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>>52648930
Walkers were a mistake

>>52649555
Sorry yeah, I did mean one of each.
Remember, this is the justice league, not Scooby Doo; they're not splitting up to solve their problems.

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>>52649592
I searched for some standard zombs and this one looked the most promising.

>>52649590
>red so cucked it can't even get it's own mechanics/decks
come on wizards

>>52649616
see >>52649590

>>52649565

Why play that Zombie enchantment when you can play an uncommon Zombie Lord that can give your dudes menace instead?

>>52649521
Still no excuse to just keep on reprinting endless versions of one card. It is getting a bit beyond a joke now. Not sure if the hasbro overlords are trying to do a whole avengers type mtg thing because kids love the avengers or if the writing staff have secretely been on strike for 4+ years

>>52649625
Because it shits out 2 free zombies for you?

>>52649239

>5 power
>2B mana cost
>relevant tribe

Wow. Back in my day, 2B bought you a shitty creature with 3 power and some crazy downside.

>>52649645

It's too slow and too expensive to warrant the anthem cost and bodies. If you're going to shit out zombies for value you may as well play From Under the Floorboards.

>>52649239

FLING IT WITH THE TRIGGER ON THE STACK

>>52649619
>we have Bedlam Reveler and Cryptbreaker and Collective Brutality and Haunted Dead and Asylum Visitor and Ghoulsteed in Standard
>Not to mention Scrapheap Scrounger and Prized Amalgam and 25 Embalm cards
Could this actually be a thing?

>>52649432
>Why it WotC pushing zombies this hard?
People love tribal and we are in egypt, also Innistrad was not too long ago.
But when the fuck will the other characteristic race get anything? Elves got some love in origin but it has been a long time since we saw some merfolk or goblin tribal.

>>52649432
>why are WotC pushing zombie so hard
I have a suspicion.
Typically WotC doesn't like tribal to be competitive in standard because of the 'block monster' problem. Back in my day standard used to be dominated by decks that were 80% from one block because of a strong synergy mechanic (affinity, faeries, infect). Because of this most players just bought a completely new standard deck every two years rather than gradually updating them as sets came out. Tribal is especially at risk because it's hard to promote the same tribe in adjacent blocks in a way that's interesting.

Except they seem to have found a way with this embalm mechanic. It feels distinct from how they approached zombies in innistrad while both still read as zombies.

>>52649686
...2 cards and 5 mana for 5 damage?

>>52649720
I miss goblins dude. How many sets has it been now?

>>52649720
Atlanzan will be Merfolk central

>>52649756
We can call it lava ax combo. Surely this is the new meta.

>>52649760
Zendikar had goblins, didn't it?
I mean, gremlins were just goblins by another name but still. Would it have been so bad to have them be creature type goblin?

>>52649756

I don't mean straight away but late game you might be able to finish off with it.

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>>52649191

>>52649799
BfZ was two years ago, and they didn't print very many. The few they did print were good though.

>>52649785
>Atlanzan will be Merfolk central
And they're all gonna be shit except for one card that they missed and its gonna ruing standard and modern.
It's gonna happen. Screencap this post.

>>52649141
Big surprise the green and white gods are the easiest to use. Black will be lifelink + ind and will say pay 5 life to attack or block with it or some shit.

>>52649862

Nah mate it's gonna be Homarid and Crab central

>>52649862
Atlanzan will be the savior of standard just like Ravnica was after the Kamigawa block

>>52649896
I don't even play standard and I'm hoping for this

>>52649879
>lifelink + pay 5 life to attack or block
That would be pretty cool but you know it's going to have something dumb like creatures in the yard though.
>3B: Each player discards a card.

>>52649887
We will see the return of Cephalids. You'll see!

>>52648930
I miss nazi Nissa because of all the promise. Potential black color dip, combat-oriented practical character,

Need a bad guy? Make her black and give her some deathtouch tokens and removal.
Need a creature-based walker? Bam, commander-type that gives creatures hexproof or some minor evasion or some shit.

That said, cool card, but could have been better as a local walker.

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>the blue head is next to the green head is next to the black head
>it doesn't look like the colour wheal from the top
ONE JOB!

>>52649896
Tfw you just draft and you can enjoy each set for what it is rather than constantly having to worry how each block stack up next to each other.

Feels good man

>>52648842
Most of burns cost is red. Putting non red sources in is bad.

>>52649967
>so much potential
>you could just repeat what they did with garruk

Truely you are a visionary

>>52649984
Admittedly, the only thing i waited from these spoilers are the money cards for drafts.

>>52649929
Black is the god of Ambition, right? Would be nice if it were "Can't attack or block unless you have less life than an opponent. 2B: Lose 2 life and draw a card."

>>52649720
Skeletons. Please give me skeletons, wizards. Support my fucking tribe.

>>52649929
You right. Black has been pretty disappointing this set by itself. Minus the cool zombie stuff.

>>52646627
It's also cuter

>>52650013
I love card draw but I am loath to be taxed so heavily. 2 life is no thing but paying 2B in addition? That's like asking me to pay 2BB to draw a card. What do you think I am? A blue mage? I don't have time to draw cards so gingerly.
0/10 would not worship.

>>52649432

>Why are WotC pushing zombies this hard?

Easy, because they kept their power level lowered in Shadows and now they have printed grave hate.

>>52649210
Nigga you're supposed to throw trample on him for that sweet, sweet deathtouch + trample interaction.

>>52648732

He does though

>>52650011
Yes, but it would have been an elf Garruk with big Joraga

>>52650180
He doesn't, hybrids are still only one mana symbol. He gives 3 to Heliod and 3 to Perphuros though

>>52650161
He can't target himself with his activated ability.

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>>52649976
Florian also fucked up the Expedition Dust Bowl by making it look like an eldrazi jizzed on the ground. The man is a menace.

>>52649079
1. You can be U for just natural reasons, and since they're in Egypt and all the green is because of the river, that makes sense.
2. It was Anowon who tried to get her to release the eldrazi because "they'll just leave" Even SHE thought it was a stupid idea,
then Sorin pissed her off and she did it anyway.

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>>52649025
Holy shit Carlos

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>>52648930

> Just bought a ton of tech for Temur

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>>52649141

I really wish I screencapped my post predicting the White and Green gods were going to be easy to use. I was so close.

>>52649803
so fucking bad

>Nissa relegated to Simic
>Mono-green left open
GARRUK'S COMING BACK, MY BOYS

>>52650222
No shit. I meant slapping something like Rancor on him.

>>52649976
Perhaps they are in the order the car touches go in

>>52650407
We got 2 walkers next set
Bolas and a surprise ally of his?

>>52650405

It's Standard, do you know what bad stuff we're playing with to do damage here?

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looks like gideon lost his waifu

>>52650469
> GODS BAD
> PEOPLE GOOD

Fuck and here was me thinking our boy Gid was singing a new tune for a change

>>52650524
it's disappointing, honestly

i thought they would maybe do something mildly interesting in the story for once

SOI/EDM's ends were pretty good but outside of that everything's been pretty mediocre since origins

>>52650438
What happened to Tezzeret last set? He's still Bolas's bottom bitch right?

>>52650222
No but his monument can give him +2/+2 trample when you cast a creature.

>>52650602
Liliana was about to kill him but the amazing flying autist rammed into the room and let him escape.

>>52650524
Well these are fake gods made by bolas to be fair, they can't beed good.

>>52650647
I was hoping they weren't all evil because that'd be way too obvious for a bolas plane.

>>52650469
>these are not muh culture so they're BAAAAAAAD
fuck you gid, go back to your stupid theros.

>>52650647
Eh, I think they can be good so long as their good deeds ultimately supply bolas's ends, whether they know it or not.

For example, lets say Bolas made a god to represent the nuturing mother, to care for and raise the people of Amonket into adulthood. Nothing nefarious about that, and it provides him worshipers.

>>52650678
This IS actually his culture though, he just hates his culture.

He doesn't like something unless it's Bant or Boros.

>>52650647
And these people are living in a Bolas made plane, as in they're essentially living off Bolas' power.

>>52650469
>white Parallel Lives
That's an instant EDH staple right there

>>52650524
It's sort of weird to me how little respect gods get in fiction since the majority of people are beholden to gods in real life. I guess fiction is escapism for the religious in that way?
Sort of sad because I think fiction, especially fantasy, is the only place that worship and religion makes any sense.
For a change I'd like to see some Gods in magic that aren't giant dickbags.

>>52650722
I think it's partially to do with the rise of Atheism in modern society. The GODS BAD narrative helps people associate, and player association is something wizards loves (hence, the entire existence of Jace)

Gods as something benevolent and admirable would be a very interesting and compelling piece for a change.

>>52650633
>the amazing flying autist

Who?

>>52650722
Kruphix was pretty chill, some of the theros gods were actually good.

I thought they handled "greek gods" sort of ok, zeus was a pompous dick who didn't want anything messing with his shit so he got some people to get rid of xenagos.

Besides, outside of planeswalkers (who know the gods aren't "real" gods) the theros gods and the amonkhet gods are pretty much treated as gods.

>>52650776
Chandra.

Dovin Baan melted the hope of ghirapur so she scooped out all of the bits and shoved herself in it then fired herself at the aether tower.

>>52650722
>weird
no it's not.
Every religious individual respects 1% of god (theirs) and hates 99% of others.

>>52650761
Well, like I just said I'm atheist and I think it makes me want a fantasy setting with a nice religious tone. I guess that's because I got over the angsty phase and went into the dejected wishful thinking phase.

>>52650781
Karametra is bae. I really hope we can go back to Theros some day, but knowing Wizards(tm) storytelling if we ever go back it's going to be doom, gloom and the apocalypse.

>>52650821
There's no proof to gods though.

If Yahweh or Buddha or Mohammed dropped down and smited someone then they'd have a lot more reverance.

At least in magic, the gods we've seen so far are a definite thing (in Theros) and literally walk among the people (in Amonkhet).

>>52650846
>Karametra, Kruphix, and Pharika are the best gods
>All green
really makes you think

>>52650793
WTF am I reading
I heard the writing was bad but I wouldn't have guessed it was this bad

>>52650793
>>52650888

Don't forget that Gideon hopped in with her and acted as a human fighter jet harness.

>>52650888
This is award-winning writing compared to the Origins story.

I did hear that the person writing Chandra i Kaladesh (Chris L'toie or something) was fired though, so here's hoping they unfuck her character.

>>52650846
Ah I misread you, my bad.

And agree, kara is bae. She was my first EDH general

>>52650879
I guess the muh nature, gaia, mother earth, earth goddess, etc... tropes are a big hit at WOTC. I don't blame them, I like the concept of a nurturing nature goddess too.

>>52650661
>>52650686
>>52650699

I guess there could've been a plot twist of the gods and people revolting against bolas with the help of the gatewatch just to ultimately fail and die.

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>But something was wrong: she caught a glimpse as she ducked behind the wall, of flaming red hair at the tip of the oversized thopter. Chandra? What the hell—

>"We'll see," Tezzeret said, and then—

>Then there was fire.

>>52650661
Is there anything yet making them evil?
Even >>52650469 doesn't say they are, just that they are still distant from their people.
Personally I would play out the "slave of Bolas" angle, having them being made to serve a purpose and being unable to escape it. Making them tragic creatures that can't escape their nature. Then the Gatewatch would have to fight good gods that have nothing against them because the master said so and Gideon could have a "You will pay for this too Bolas!" moment.

>>52650761
I don't think it has anything to do with atheism, but is the good old problem of evil. If the gods are truly powerful and good, there is little room for grand scale conflicts.

>>52650926
Karametra was the main "earth goddess", Kruphix was the knowledge god and Pharika was the god of poisons and alchemy.

Nylea was pretty good too, but honestly I prefered the secondary Green ones. Artemis was a nice god too, though.

>>52650939
Naya threesome when?

>>52650793
toppest of keks, can't wait for the MTG movie, it will so bad that it will be good.

>>52650940
>Is there anything yet making them evil
No, but this is wotc's creative department here.
Outside of Emrakul's sealing herself in the moon they haven't had non-completely boring and obvious plot moment in ages.

>>52650926
Well, there is a literal Gaia in mtg, so yeah I guess.

>>52650013
Unfortunately this is almost exactly what Erebos is so we're likely to get some hot garbage instead.

>apparently associated with grief and old age
yea pharika was the medicine goddess and the ""good"" aspects of death

>>52650937
>fail
For the people, there's no outcome but fail.
Bolas win? He would probably scoured Amonkhet and decimate things as a warning
Bolas lost/killed? Even worse. Without Bolas's power, it's essentially lights out for the whole Amonkhet. The end of the world.

>>52651020
>Without Bolas's power, it's essentially lights out for the whole Amonkhet. The end of the world.
Do we know how much he needs to support the plane? He hasn't been on the plane in a while, if what that vizier said is true.

Green seems like the only interesting color this set...

Everything else is generic and bland

>>52651020
Is Amonketh a fully artificial plane?

If not I think the gods could manage the plane without issues, after all planeswalkers creations do not tap power directly from the source, examples of this are Avacyn and Memnmarch.

>>52651062
I'm still surprised they made fucking ANUBIS of all people the red god, and made Sobek the black one.

>Sobek was also associated with pharaonic power, fertility, and military prowess, but served additionally as a protective deity with apotropaic qualities

>>52649166
Apparently maro stated the gatewatch will be toned down past hour of devastation

>>52651091
It's because of the color of their creature types in MTG. Jackals are alwaqys red and crocs are almost always black

>>52651073

I was under the impression that the problem with most artificial planes is that they are typically unbalanced when it comes to Mana which is what leads to them collapsing. Balance the mana correctly and things should be fine even after the Mending.

>>52651118
Which goes to show how fucking stupid the entire development process is. The 'superfriends' complaints he says that triggered this change came in Innistrad. This means 4 sets ago this new set was already set in stone.

This leaves no room for dealing with competitive aspect of the game.

>>52651167
This. Serra's Realm collapsed because SOME BITCH decided that black = evil and doesn't belong in her home

>>52651176

They still have bans. That's not enough, really, but it's not nothing.

>>52649215
That's because of the Trials. The place is almost certainly a planeswalker farm for Bolas to have planeswalker minions who are 100% loyal to him, so why would he keep them on the plane after they've sparked? It would just fuck things up.
We may get one next set alongside the boss himself, though.

>>52648428
my guess is that they'll have multiple "types" of desert for this set. Kind of like the guildgates from Return to Ravnica. Maybe with slightly different effects?

A parched desert that lets you draw a card when it enters the battlefield, or forces someone to discard.

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>>52649976
Well I think the color wheel on amonkhet is inherently fucked up too. The Cartouches don't follow WUBRG order.

In fact it looks like it goes Blue Bird, Green Snake, Black Croc, on the faces of the pyramid we see. which lines up with the middle three of the cartouches.

Also the whole Amonkhet Pledge of Allegiance thing goes;
One From Many (W)
By Force of Will (U)
Forged by Might (G)
Driven by fire (R)
Born by Death (B)
to Rise Eternal (I dunno).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-hVm9_O6BI

>>52650923
Did you read the first Amonkhet story? Let me post my favorite excerpt.

>HOLY FIERY RIVERS OF REGATHA WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THAT THING AND DID IT JUST EAT LILIANA NO WAY WHAT THE HELL DIE IN A PILLAR OF FLAME YOU BIG FAT STUPID WAIT DID NISSA JUST SAY THERE WERE MORE COMING OH GEEZ YUP THERE THEY ARE GET OUT OF THE WAY I'LL ROAST YOU ALL GIVE BACK LILIANA YOU STUPID SONS OF INBRED BANDARS—

>>52651410
Oh my god, the Cartouches line up in Phyrexian order.

White, followed by Blue, followed by Green, followed by Black, followed by Red.

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>>52651463
>>52651410

Oh my goooooooooooooooood

>>52651463
Christ, not again. I got enough of this during SoI block.

>>52651463
I've never heard of this Phyrexian order before

>>52651561
Eh, every theory during SoI block that wasn't Eldrazi was retarded

There was one card in SoI that had the Phyrexian symbol, but everything else was tentacles and shit

>>52650081
Nono, they thought Zombies were going to be constructed worthy.
They thought they were pushing certain cards.
Development just has no idea what they're doing whatsofucking ever.

>>52651587

I wanted Marit Lage even when i knew in my heart it was more Eldrazi.

>>52651463
With the heavy mechanical emphasis on -1/-1 counters, that actually doesn't sound too bad. Hoping for the return of infect

>>52651564
In New Phyrexia, the pecking order is WUGBR. Elesh Norn, the White Praetor, is top dog on the plane, with Jin-Gitaxias being the next most important due to being the brains, Vorniclex being the middle most important, and Sheoldred and Urabrask being at the bottom, Sheoldred because she didn't work well with others (I think) and Urabrask because he has what remains of the Mirrian Resistance living in the Forge, since all that red mana gave him the feelies.

>>52650469
>white parallel lives
Neat.

>>52648930
This is pretty insane

>>52646888

You probably meant to post this link instead.
http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Slow_land

A 5-color slow land would be cool. Nobody played the originals because at two colors they're just ass.

>>52651564
It's been mentioned a bit before; its the ranking of the colours based on how closely they fit with the Phyrexian ideology.

White believes in unity, order, and continual improvement, which makes it the closest to Phyrexia
Blue believes in order and continual improvement, and is neutral on unity, which makes is the 2nd closest to Phyrexia
Green believes in continual improvement, is neutral on unity, and tends to be anti-order, which makes in the 3rd closest to Phyrexia
Black believes in personal improvement and order, but is highly individualist, making it the 2nd furthest from Phyrexia
Red believes in personal imrpovement, but is highly individualist and anti-order, making it the furthest from Phyrexia

What if it turns out Bolas is building an army of zombies and shit to take on New Phyrexia, and all those gathered souls are a part of some sorta spirit bomb bullshit?

>>52651874
>>52651745
So it's New Phyrexian order because Old Phyrexian and old Yawgy were about as black as can be

>>52649816
I love you anon.

>>52651935
Basically. Plus, without Yawg or any original Phyrexians to lead the way, New Phyrexia only had a vague sense of what they were about, which was making everything part of Phyrexia for the Father of Machines. Karn is a machine, so they thought "oh yeah, he must be the Father."

>>52650858
There were quite a few religions on Dominaria and other planes where the divine were not definite things nor walking among the people.
The people just believed.
Sometimes the deities turned out to be planeswalkers. Sometimes they didn't. In one case, someone was named for a deity and then later became a planeswalker - then she made a bunch of 4/4 vigilant angels.

>>52651935
Yeah.
Besides, the only reason old phyrexia was black was because black was the designated "bad guy" colour.

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>>52651991
Oh man, remember that time on Dominaria when an actual Goddess who was the manifestation of Magic came along and even the white order fell in avarice, lust and greed for her?

That was some heavy-handed philosophy.

>>52652061
People always talk about how novel it is when there's a white villain, but so many of the villains are white. It's not new

>>52651155
Not true!
Most crocodiles are GREEN, at 6.
There are five in black, but two of those are Zombies and one's a Skeleton - only two are alive.
Two are blue.
And one is blue/black.

>>52650469

It's time to rev up those Hanweir Garrisons as we get ready to go FULL BLADEHOLD.

>>52652182
>Hanweir on wheels shitting out Eldrazi tokens like crazy
>Splash Second Harvest for MORE TOKEN CREATURES
>Or just run Last Hope Liliana to drown your foes in tokens

>>52648428
If White Weenie becomes a deck again, I could see this being played to give it some reach.

>>52652369

Gee Jugghead, why does your deck let you get TWO dudes when Embalming?

>>52652369
Just get Metal Mimic and the new zombie lord for good ol' fashioned raving horde of the dead. Or the cat lord.

>>52650761
Nah, if anything it's a reflection of the monotheistic hegemony in western society. Most people take the reality of a depersonalized, omnipotent+omnibenevolent god for granted, so the fantastical alternatives are multiple, personified and fallible gods -- in which case they're written as essentially superhuman business moguls/dictators, which means assholes -- or a god just like ours only BAD. Multiple benevolent gods doesn't make sense and a single benevolent god doesn't seem fantastical.

>>52650846
>"What if we killed off all the gods on Theros, and replaced them with...Dragons? No, wait! PHYREXIANS!"
2018: Phyrexian Dragons of Theros

>>52650961
Michael Bay already got his advance.

>>52652632
Compleated Thraxes WOTC pls

>>52650661
well, they aren't. The Gatewatch just thinks that because muh cruel trials

>>52651091
Hazoret is more Set than Anubis tho

>>52652103
the kaladesh one is black

>>52650661
I don't think it means they're evil. Oketra definitely doesn't seem evil, at the very least not petty and backstabby like Heliod.

I think Gideon's just gonna see the people worship the gods, think 'maybe this place is different', see the cruel trials and the gods not doing anything about it, then realize the gods might not be as benevolent as he thought

>>52648625
nope, it would if it had "cost 1 less for each istant" and "cost 1 less for each sorcery".

>>52653320
Yes. It's the second living monoblack crocodile ever. The first was in Zendikar. Before Kaladesh released, BLUE had more living crocodiles than black.
Green has the most even when you factor in the undead ones - and you shouldn't, because black will reanimate anyfuckingthing it can get its hands on.

>>52648930
why is she blue now?

because she wet herself after getting out of that KLD shithole.

>>52653452
In one of the last Kaladesh stories she told Yahenni how she wanted to learn more about things so she wouldn't be afraid of them

>>52650469
>the gods here may walk among the people, but they are not with them

Bolas please nuke the gatewatch.

>>52650761
if they wanted to roleplay atheism they wouldn't have made gods literally walking in the streets.

>>52650013
Its gonna be menace, restriction based on cards in grave because cycling, 2B each player discards a card

>>52653498
and so we move further and further from Nazi Nissa

>>52653557
i think you know what's up.

>>52653521
Are you kidding? They did the whole atheist D&D character thing perfectly

Gideon: Holy shit guys look there's a god literally right there we could run up and high five it if we wanted to

Rest of the Gatewatch: <chortles derisively>

>>52653608
>Gideon: Holy shit guys look there's a god literally right there we could run up and high five it if we wanted to
and then the day before the next story comes out they get him back on the "fuck gods" train

>"The gods here may walk among the people, but they are not with them."
Wotc is not known for being subtle so this plus the end of the trailer probably means they have to team up to fuck the gods

>>52653665
> team up to fuck the gods

I'm liking the idea of this plan so far

Do you think they pair up by color or work together to gang bang each individually

>>52653689
Well gideon wants to fuck the cat, maybe chandra

>>52653689
You know how in One Piece, for each story arc, you can make a little hype game out of trying to figure out which antagonist the crew members are going to wind up having their individual fights with?

It'll be just like that, except I won't give a shit

>>52653665
>>52653689
>fucking up the gods is what actually triggers the Hour of Devastation and Bolas' evil plan
>Gatewatch ruins yet another world

>>52653689
Gideon has a threesome with the red and white gods while Jace watches and cries while masterbating. The green and black ones take turns double teaming Lilliana/Nissa/Chandra while the other two lez out.

>>52652061
Yeah, but the Order were dickheads to begin with. It's not really some philosophical statement when everyone in your setting is a barbaric warmonger, regardless of place in the color pie.

>>52654576
>Blue god sits down next to jace
>"Hey come on it's not so bad, personally I like to watch!"
>"Wow, they're really giving it to your friend with the black hair down there huh?"
>"I think she likes it!"

>>52655904
I'm feeling it Mr. Crabs

You can only have 4 deserts in deck.

>>52657706
It's not a basic land, so yes.

>>52649304
Only good in EDH.

>>52657706
No shit, Sherlock Holmes.

>>52657706
The card Desert, sure. This gets any card with the subtype Desert.

>>52657706
8 so far. More if you count lands that can become deserts.

>>52648428
That'll be fun in pauper