Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/els

Suffer no one, blood for the blood god.

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>Putting together some Pathfinders for Shadow War
>Pulse pistols don't fit into any of the hands and are designed to be holstered
I just know I'm going to hate converting this mess.

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>>52607462
>tfw you'll never have a qt3,14 warrior girlfriend whose feet you rub after she has gone through a hard day of purging heretics and/or xenos
WHY EVEN FUCKING LIVE

>>52609233
Just get a /fit/ gf

>>52609252
>implying /fit/ and /tg/ mix

>>52609230
Seriously? I didn't have any problem giving my dude a pistol in my pathfinder team.

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Would anyone call foul on me for making half of my bigger nid bugs out of left over crab shells?

>>52609316
that shit decays and fucking smells

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>>52609182
How many warp charges is considered a lot? Is 15 enough in a 1500 point game?

>>52609335
Yeah should be; you can gt 20 easy in 1850

>>52609332
Nids should be smelly. Also boil the meat out first.

>>52609349
Excellent, thank you

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Thoughts?

>>52609335
>tfw you love Ahriman and Thousand Sons in light blue robes but all the paint guides give them red robes

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Today was the Inner Circle Warlord brawl at GW here. We had our participants here, and would later be joined by Commisar Yarrick and a Death Company Chaplain. Sammael would be the victor with 6 kills total, followed by the Thousand Son Exalted Sorcerer with 5, then me with the blue captain at 4, though Cawl would have tied me in third place if he hadn't left early.

>>52609419
I like it. Dirt stains on the lower parts of the cloak would really stand out well against the more pristine white of the rest of it.

What's a good load-out for a 5-man skitarii vanguard unit?

I'm thinking just five basic guys with carbines would be OK, but it's tempting to load them up with gear too. Could go vehicle-hunting with arc rifles, arc pistol and arc maul or more general-purpose with phosphor pistol, taser goad and one or two plasma calivers.

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>>52609445
After wards I was in a 2v2 Dark Angels and Iron Hands vs Tyranids and Imperial Guard 2k battle. It was called at turn 3 because one of the players needed to go.
We were smashing each other pretty equally but turn one I was alone on the table and took 15 space marines worth of casualties which totaled to well over a quarter of my army.
A plasma devastator squad led by a librarian was totally wiped out by a barebones psychic shriek, except for the librarian
The vanguards got eaten by a dakkafex before they could hurt it
And my rhino not only didn't die for all three turns but was relevant and finished off a chimera with a ram

>>52609419
Interesting choice. I quite like it. Going to have to be careful with the armour though; it would be a bitch to paint over if you slop some black onto your cream. Maybe do the black bits first and then base-coat the cream areas in brown and work up?

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Whats their band name again?

>>52609620
Gashr Slitz and KUNT

>>52609620
Is this the new >I2?

>>52609620

The Orgyn Orgy

>>52609620
"Go and Stay Go?"

>>52609439
>tfw only finding 30k Thousand sons painting tutorials.

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>>52609620
Totally not the guy posting this every thread despite being MY Ogryns. Keep up the good work though!

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>be Necron
>just defeated the last old one
>Eldar crying in the corner
>Orks are autistically smashing one of my fellow robo-skeltons
>I realize the C'Tan just used us and ate our souls like dicks
>mrw the C'Tan start to get BTFO by other C'Tan and we smash the remaining one into shards
>mrw we made the galaxy a lot more boring and went to have a nap until it was more fun

>>52609620
2 Thic 2 Furious

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>>52609287
>Doesn't know how to seduce /fit/ girls as a fa/TG/uy
Look at this faggot

>>52609445
It's more of a bleached bone cloth color in case you couldn't tell
I don't really like the bright colors for the capes, makes them look a bit too much like action figures

>>52609735
Might have been, except he only had a couple, and Belisarius ate them for breakfast. Plus their sergeant is a psyker, so I shot at him with my sisters and rolled a 1 for perils so he ended up getting dragged into slaanesh's rape dungeon.

If Magnus is within 12 inches of sisters of silence, does he harness warp charges on 2+ or 6+? Sisters rules say 6+ but he has a rule that says 2+, which takes priority?

>>52609786
MGW I have been to the lgs and met very 'unique' women with varying levels of 'look at me and my snowflake trait...'

Honestly, I think I am going to be alone for awhile longer desu. At least until the prospects improve.

>>52609816
Why am I constantly quoting the wrong post..
>>52609446

>>52609573
Thanks! I'm likely going to go over with the black, highlight and then gloss varnish the armor. I would 100% spray and paint the cloaks and torsos separate cause they aren't one bit to begin with. Probably spray the torso grey and the cloak maybe white.

>>52609694

>"MY Ogryns"

You posted them on /tg/, they're ours now.

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First army and very new, is this terrible?
I have some other models that need painting that I could use, but i'm not sure if this is worth playing with or not, with the lack of range on a lot of these units

>>52609938
The terminator captain isn't useful, a terminator librarian or chaplain would be more useful for supporting the terminator squad

>>52609973
Working with what I have already, would it be worth swapping him for a stormhawk?

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>>52609182
Sup /40kg/, what's new? Been out for some time. I heard about Shadow War (do we have the core rules yet?) but have there been any more rumors of 8th? Was pic related confirmed or disproved yet?

>>52610031

They teased a picture of the Manreaper, so it's confirmed, more or less.

>>52610031
Confirmed; we're getting Morty and already got Maggie and Bobby G

>>52610004
yeah

>>52610031
Khan's coming back to kick his ass right?

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If I rocked up to a 1-source only local tournament with this, think people would get a kick out of playing it? I don't play to win at tournies anymore.

>>52610132
I hope Khan rides off into the sunset which is the end of the 7th edition and dies off screen

>>52609938
Give the drop pod SGT a combi-melta, stick to the drop-and-pop theme of the squad. You can also probs sub out 1-2 of your termie hammers with claws to get some I4 attacks and your other 3 shields can still eat AP2 fire.

>>52610132
If RG's story so far is anything to go by, more like coming back to get his ass kicked and only surviving because of some filthy xenos or other non-Imperial faction saving their bacon time and time again.

>>52610214
I hope you die alone and unloved

Guis, if I take a relic that blesses friendly units can I do so out of a dreadclaw?

>>52610244
I hope Scars get the cucking they deserve after the travesty that is hit and run and outflanking on bikes

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>>52610322
git gud battlebrother

Has any race tried to genetically modify Orks to use for themselves?

Also have Orks ever gone to war for a reason other than the thrill of fighting, like out of pure rage?

>>52610343
Read moar

They're hardwired maniacs

>>52610334
Apologies, not every army is gifted /THE/ ITC codex.

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>>52610343
>Needing a reason to go to war

>>52610343
>Has any race tried to genetically modify Orks to use for themselves?

Why would you need to do something so complicated when you could just give them gubbinz or teef to hire them as mercenaries?

>>52610343
I'm almost certain Dark Eldar or the Ordos Xenos would have tooled around with them at some point. Dark Eldar will make Wracks and shit out of anything that moves for their arenas, and the Ordos Xenos aren't smart enough to not fuck around with tyranids, so they've probably tried with Orks.

>>52609938
The most terrible part is the fact that you're letting 5 points go unused. C'mon, man! There's gotta be a relic or something to put in there!

How about a dozer blade on the razorback for 5 points, for example.

>>52610343
Yea, it's called "Hey Greenskin! Those Blue Gits with the holes in their faces said you couldn't beat them in a fistfight! You should go kill them"

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eldar anon here. why do I love this mon-kiegh contraption so much? and would I maybe be able to make a almost all dreadnought army?

>>52610343
There was an AI that took Orks and turned them into servitors and cloaked them in human skin in the Mechanicus trilogy.

It was viewed as being so utterly heretical on all levels that read the books nigga, they're actually pretty good

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>>52610478
Because they look cool

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>GUILLIMAN HAS BEEN TAINTED BY THE WARP DONT LET HIM NEAR THE EMPEROR REEEEEEE

What did Leandros mean by this?

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>>52610505
bruh

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>>52610505
alas its true (though our superior eldar wraith constructs are better). Id like to work on an almost all dread army imagine a space marine chapter wic was almost wiped out in some disaster. most of the marines wich survived needed to be unturned into dreads and only a very few marines are left. due to the large scale destruction the imperium cannot spare any new recruits and so the chapter is cut off and realize on its massive supply of dreads.

>>52609896
>I would 100% spray and paint the cloaks and torsos separate cause they aren't one bit to begin with.

Actually, I'm pretty sure they are. Or at least two bits which both have part of the robes and part of the armour.

>>52610132
>Khan's coming back to kick his ass right?
White scars are not one of the favoured chapters, so no. You get Russ, Jonson and maybe Dorn and Corax if you're lucky.

>>52610343
>Has any race tried to genetically modify Orks to use for themselves?

Tyranids have. Biovores are derived from orks and in the second edition background squigs were orks that got transformed by tyranids.

>Also have Orks ever gone to war for a reason other than the thrill of fighting, like out of pure rage?

The Beast Arises series implies that the war of the beast was because orks were butthurt about being smashed by the great crusade. I think there's also a bunch of stories where orks are trying to steal stuff.

>>52610554
I know I cannot write properly or spell but im a very autistic eldar

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Been out of the game a long ass time but a friend decided to goad me back into it. Thinking of grabbing the skitarii box set and throwing it onto my old sisters army since they look so damn stylish and I have always been into Mechanicus.

Still looking through the newish edition but psychic phase looks really neat, is my army gonna be in a ton of trouble for having no mind bullets of their own?

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>>52610555
You are correct. Damn. Oh well, It'll likely all be sprayed white then but I use very thin brushes so it shouldn't be a problem unless I'm careless.

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>>52610554
>(though our superior eldar wraith constructs are better)
LIES
Also dreads are hard to come by and can't stay active for very long so a chapter of dreads wouldn't be doable unless you had a chapter of techmarines to upkeep them

>>52610478
I think there is a detatchment that lets you take Dreadnoughts as troops, or failing that, some formations.

They're a lot better now thanks to getting Chapter tactics and extra default attacks.

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>>52610605
hmm maybe I could have alot of tech marines they could be an offshoot of the iron hands? they could salvage dreads I was almost thinking of making the chapter self sufficient making their own repairs from other chapter dreads left behind

>>52610607
nice ill have to look into it

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After getting a leftover dread from a friend I managed to cobble a Red Hunters force from extra bits alone. Can I use such a chapter in Castellans or do they have to be Generic/BT? Adamantium Will shock troops and a 4+ Deny sponge in the Librarian sound pretty cool against Tyranids and such.

How far can abhumans diverge before they become heretical mutants?

Would monstergirls be haram, or would it just depend on the disposition of the Inquisitor that finds them first?

>>52610701
The forgeworld ones are just alternate chapter tactics aren't they?

>>52610701
Also oh god those gold lines need touch up. You dont see that shit from table height but its triggering me when I see it there.

>>52610718
non-human parts are mutations
beastpeople are definitely mutants

>>52610718
It's a matter of genetics. If their DNA is still clearly human, and whatever modifications exist upon it are consistent across generations.

Ogryns, if you looked at their DNA, would resemble human DNA in clear ways, but they've since adapted to far different environments. They aren't aliens, and they aren't mutants, because it's consistent, rather than just sprouting random tentacles.

So as long as that applied, you can get Felenid catgirls or whatever.

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>>52609868
Read the rules.

>>52610718
There's a specific list of abhumans breeds that are sanctioned. Everything else is considered a mutant.

How you get on the sanctioned list isn't clear, but since there are only a handful on it, it must be pretty difficult. Probably requires some long-term investigation from multiple branches of the imperial bureaucracy.

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>>52610701
>not thinning paints

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since ive got my eldar, dark eldar and slaanesh and now my ynnari force im thinking the army of dreadnoughts would be rather small the chapter would be in ruin and only be 1000pts worth of as many dreads as possible

>>52610744
Assume genetic engineering vis a vis Dark Age archaeotech.

>>52610749
So as long as they breed true and they're routinely purged of witches, mutants, degenerates it's all good, gotcha.

>>52610784
Nah, knowing imperial bureaucracy they were probably all added to the list just after they came up with the idea of a list, then afterwards more rules and regulations got added on to the point its impossible now.

>>52610821
>Genetic engineering
They would probably ironically be purged just for that. Even though the emperor loved that shit.

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>>52610749
are you ABSOLUTELY SURE that you want to have people making children with felenids

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>>52610821
>Assume genetic engineering
considered sub-human and purged as mutants

dark age genetic modification was a monkey's paw, and the imperium ain't down with it

>>52610816
What?
>>52610812
>Thinning GW paints ever
Even a single drop of water in an entire pot just turns it to slurry that drips off of your model.

>>52610859
Where are you getting that? Obviously, the felenids should be having kids with felenids.

Is Mortarion going to be a part of one of those fucking triumvirate things? I don't want a bunch of model I don't want.

Also I know fuck all about Death Guard but I loathe Marines. The squatting out of proportion crap kills me. Could I feasibly run a list just with zombies, nurgle daemons and maybe one or two squads plague Marines?

>>52610883
maybe you shoudl read some fuckin rules and find out for yourself

>>52610866
You must be doing something wrong friend because my geedubs paints thin just fine.

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>>52610866
clearly you're doing something terribly wrong

>>52610883
Magnus wasn't in a triumvirate. Yeah sure, just ally your daemons in and run lots of cultists, because zombies are basically cultists.

>>52610891
I can read the rules cunt. I need to know if it's viable you cocksucker.

>>52610908
think for yourself

>>52610859
HEEEEEEEEEEELLO

>>52610906
Cool, I really want to run nurgle because I feel like there are plenty of cheap third party zombie models and nurgle daemons can be whipped up out of pretty much any beast type model.

>>52610343
Gretchin Commissar comes to mind.

>>52610896
>>52610899
Nope, I've tried all the same shit everyone else does. GW paints should just be used straight up as best i can tell. I get the same result using citadel paints straight up as with other paints i thin, if you try and thin gw paints they fucking self destruct.

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>>52610718

>>52610933
Uh aren't citadel paints and GW paints the same thing?

>>52610931
Only Beasts of Nurgle can really be whipped up like that. Start Collecting Daemons of Nurgle would give you a great nurgle daemons force though, its what i have. From my limited experience combining them with marines though plague zombies would be more or less pointless if you are using daemons, since nurgle daemons are already tarpit models and that's what the zombies do.

>>52610861
Depends how far it goes.

>something something no wolves on fenris

>>52610933
well if you're getting >>52610701 results then they're clearly too thick

>>52610950
Yes. I just used both terms in that post. Was that not clear?

>>52610989
I'm not that poster. He was probably using too much paint.

>>52610936
I found that same clause, but to the best of my knowledge, 'Beastmen' refers specifically to the various castes of gnarly goatpeople (which are both fairly non-human and have a fairly huge variance between castes), not to abhumans with distinct animal features as a whole.

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>>52610933
thin your paints do it water or lahmen medium work just fine

>>52610980
Fenris only gets an OK because the emperor stuck the space wolves there. Sort of like how the mutants of Baal only get an okay because the blood angels are there.

and if you're not a first founding legion, cavorting with mutants ain't kosher

>>52611020
Essentially, the best-viewed abhumans are the ones that resemble humans the most. Ratlings and Ogryns don't have many weird features, and are really just short and giant humans respectively, aside from their other quirks.

The more consistent and human they are, the less restricted they are, so that's something to keep in mind.

>>52611038
Over the years i have grown tired of trying out new methods to cater to internet [aomters and disbelieving the fucking evidence of my own eyes. If you don't load up your brush like its at a buffet it works fine, but it becomes complete shit with even the tiniest droplet of water.

Which faction is the most overpowered?

>>52611094
Tau seems to be the popular opinion around here, from what I've seen of the last few threads (or if not most overpowered, least fun to play against)

>>52610031
June 10th for 8th.

>>52610866
Really? Mine thin without trouble. You got a palette right? If the paint shrinks when you wipe your brush on the plastic you've gone too far.

>>52611094
Eldar, by a wide margin.

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>be a slaanesh chaos marine/demon player
>gathering storm 3 hints at fulgrum
>ohboyicantwait.png
>next book is fucking nurgle

they are gonna get the axe in 8th,arnt they?

>>52611117
Doing it at all with these fucking paints is too far. I do use a pallete. The water and the paint half the time don't mix at all, like fucking oil and water and the other half the consistency is completely destroyed and it won't go on the model. I would need three or four fucking pots of paint to be able to put 1 droplet of water in without it being too much. It fucking infuriates me that people give this shitty advice. I don't mind it when its with other paints like the vallejo ones where it works fine, but it works dogshit with the GW ones.

>>52611094
Tau and Eldar, Marines do well mainly because they get free transports and MSU like a motherfucker so they bank on the opponent not being able to kill them all while using Grav out the ass.

>>52611088
>literally everyone else thins their paints and gets results
>one person doesn't
>therefore, this one person is right and everyone else including professional award-winning painters are wrong

Must be nice being autistic.

>>52611105
Every time I play the local Tau, he complains that my AV14 Russes are too strong and he struggles against them.

I have no idea how to respond to that. It's like it's not good enough that he can wipe my infantry on 2s no armor saves, and fire missiles from out of line of site. And let's not dare mention that I can't even see his suits let alone fight through their stealth saves because they can jetpack into cover. Apparently, having one unit he can't wipe out in one turn with 2 units from halfway across the map is too much.

>>52611145
Nope. Makes absolutely zero sense for that to happen, because they've already brought Slaanesh back to AoS, and Slaaneshi forces have been important actors in both GW releases and BL novels.

It's also too involved in the Eldar story to be axed without outright re-inventing the setting, which GW has already stated they will not being doing.

>>52611258
>brought slaanesh back to AOS
WHAT?!

>>52611148
So either the Calcium Carbonate dissolved in my beautifully unpalatable Floridian water is a natural glue, and Duncan's tutorials are totally faking the thinning process he demonstrates in every video...or your doing something wrong.

But if its such a bitch, get some proper thinner: Medium is called such because it's the actual unpigmented liquid used to make your paint. It's basically paint-glue. Buy some and try it out.

>>52611189
Not Autistic. Stubborn.

mhh. how much of a dick should i feel like for not putting the stormbolter magazines onto my GK?

>>52611326
Just put them on man. It's not difficult. There's a little slot that it goes into without any trouble at all

>>52611396
i already sprayed the main bodies and don't have enough for the whole squad because i filled out the squad with some cheap janky dudes off of ebay with no mags of their own.

>>52611148
Anon, either there is some really nasty shit in your water or you have a bad batch of paints. Every pot I have used does nothing like what you describe, take them back and show them what's going on.

>>52609287
Have you not seen the work on the /fit/ RPG? You resolve actions by lifting.

>>52610918
>>52610859

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>>52610678
Blood Angels has a unique troop-choice dreadnought and HQ dreadnoughts, so they might be a good pick.

Alternatively, Space Wolves have a formation that's Bjorn and two Dreadnoughts.

Up to you.

Are there any actual scans of FW Horus Heresy Volume IV?

The wiki has to have gotten their high-quality pictures from somewhere.

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>>52611108
S-source?

so uh how do peps at gw feel about space marine pdf of codeces

>>52611198
He should be using monat sunforges to deal with AV 14.

>>52611198
>complaining about pulse rifles
>complaining about SMS
>complaining about Stealthsuits
Git gud, that guy is gold by Tau player standards. Why does he bitch, you ask? He's still a Tau player.

>>52611671
Why take those when you can have more Riptides? To be fair AV14 is actually something an untailored Tau list has trouble with because nobody brings railguns and modern fags don't even know Crisis. Though why he isn't using OSC is beyond me. Maybe he's just not a fag.

Quick Lore question; why can't psykers just use their space magic to restore the Emperor?

>>52611728
But...I run fusion suits and two Hammerheads. Am I...Am I out of touch?

No, it's the meta that is wrong

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Because I'm a faggot I'm making muh fandex. Any suggestions on how I can make this look more like a datasheet from an actual codex?

newbie question how many hq, troops, heavy support, exc. can you take what is the standard detachment?

>>52610555
>maybe Dorn
>Dorn comes back with Ferrus Manus's hand
WHOOOOOAAAAAA

IG Orders specify they must be issued to a unit from Codex Astra Militarum. For the sake of knowing what can be done, is there any faq or consensus on how this impacts mixed units? Does an inquisitor in a blob benefit? Can Yarrick join a Marine Devastator squad and issue Bring It Down to himself and affect the marines?

>>52611954
The standard Combined Arms detatchment is 1 HQ and 2 troops minimum, with a max of 2 HQs, 6 troops, and 3 slots for each of the other 3 types.

>>52611956
>>Ferrus Manus comes back with Alpharius' head.

>>52611728
Stealth Suits? HA! I don't give a damn about the stealth suits. It's that damn Ghostkeel I loath. That "Stealth+Shrouded+effects doubled at ranges greater than 12" is a real pain in the ass!

But its more the "Never give me line of sight" thing combined with the complaints about durability that gets me. If his broadsides are going to drop autocannon-strength shots on me from behind cover, and the riptides, crises suits, and ghostkeels are going to shoot me and then hide behind a chunk of anti-line of sight, then what right does he have to complain when one of my units has the audacity not to die when it has to expose itself just to shoot?

As for the OSC? Nobody uses that because anyone who tries can't get any games.

>>52611970
Man I wish you could do orders on an Inquisitorial henchmen squad.

>>52611956
>>52612004
>Sanguinius comes back

c:

>>52612004
>dorn comes back with manus' hand holding alpharius' head only for guilliman to kill dorn and reveal hes omegon

>>52612009
I walked away from a game once when I learned he was bringing that horseshit.

>>52612009
>If his broadsides are going to drop autocannon-strength shots on me from behind cover

Broadsides can't shoot their High-yield missile pods through walls. Only smart missiles do that, and those are Strength 5.

Posting from last thread
>>52610961
>>52611304


Could use some help filling out the last ~100 points.

>>52611956
>>52612004
>>52612025
>>52612027
coming soon from Black Library.

Has anyone posted up the corerulebook for Shadow War yet!?! I went to two gamesworkshops and they sold out of all the box kits literally the minute they opened.

>>52612060
Might be nice to get an assault squad or scout bikes for something cheap to speed around and grab objectives.

>>52612011
Serious question, if you join an independent character from the IG codex to one could you? Yarrick joins a henchman squad, Yarrick is from the IG codex and targets the unit he's in with an order.

Or can mixed units just not be targets for orders?

>>52612059
Good point. They were hitting guardsmen so I didn't really notice.

>>52612083
No I don't think it's entirely legal, but if you did it no one would bat an eyelid.

>>52609534
It may just be my bad luck, but Plasma Calivers tend to melt the skitarii holding them in addition to whatever they shot at
My advice is 420 blaze it take one (unfortunately thats the most you can take in a 5 man team) because it solves a lot of problems, especially if you can get them close to a space marine squad
Radium Carbines are probably my favorite Skitarii weapon, because if you get lucky you end up with more wounds than shots taken

>>52612060
Maybe turn the dev cents to grav and fit two droppods one for the cents so them and the sternguard drop t1

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Something I noticed on the new bundles.

Looks like Raveners are being moved to 50mm bases like warriors.

This pretty much proves that all the warrior-type models are gonna get moved to 50mm. I'm wondering if I should rebase my lictor now since I haven't started painting yet.

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Can I get some ideas for a flavorful list involving Guilliman that includes little to no ultramarines? I have so many imperial units, especially various astartes flavors, and I'm just not interested in making yet more marines if I can help it.

I have inquisition, a knight, assassins, some stodes, tempestus, a watch company, grey knights, ravenwing, a handful of fallen, and a great deal of imperial fists with which to work from.

>>52612156
if you want to run a 10man squad w/ calivers run them in the Dominus Maniple. re-roll 1's. problem solved

>>52612177
Ally in Eldar

>it's a he wrote the name of every model in his army on their base and gets angry when you don't refer to them by their names episode

>>52610478
Chaos, you can get a formation of 3 hellbrutes (Chaos dreadnoughts) that can deepstrike.

Ok Guard players, can you redpill me on Sentinels?

I've been crunching some numbers on armoured sentinels and they are a little more expensive than HWS but you can get plasma cannons on them and av12 front isn't half bad and they move way faster than HWS.

Anything I should know?

>>52612177
Ally in as many fully-filled platoons of guardsmen as you can afford, then lead them into an ambush.

>>52611094
Marines
Based off getting butt smooches from GW constantly while complaining about everyone else

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>>52612244

>>52612244
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S203wIPXLg

A true guard player explains the potential of the Sentinels.

how are rubrick/thousand sons?

just got a few boxes of things.

also i'm thinking of a green/orange color scheme for em.

>>52612271
Not too bad, they throw out the bulk of their power in the psychic phase so you can really fuck with an opponent like that.
Do a blue/bone color scheme for them

>>52612244
I'm not sure plasma cannons are too worth it. Their main downside is lacking orders, but the formation >>52612266 posted neatly solves that.

They are basically more mobile heavy weapon teams, at a higher cost. If you just want some autocannons to supplement a gunline, you're probably better off with the HWS. If you want something to advance alongside vehicles and generally hunt towards the side of tanks, then sentinels are much more appealing.

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>>52612194
While my gut reaction is 'gross', no one in my group uses any eldar, so it might be interesting. I think I have some dark eldar and maybe a wraithguard squad an ex girlfriend abandoned to me. My group might burn me at this stake for using ynnari though, and I'd probably deserve it.

I still need to come up with a nice primary imperial detachment though. I'm not opposed entirely to making an ultramarine honor guard or something, but unlike Magnus who has several self contained little formations along with him, Guilliman seems to require at least a full demi company of ultras if you don't run him alongside his besties. Too bad he can't just hang with a couple units of custodes.

I'd have shoved him in a CAD with the fists, but chapter tactics rules.

>>52612271
Rubrics are kinda meh for what they do. A lot of their points are tied up in AP 3 and a 4+ invuln save, which gets wasted against a lot of things.

Biggest advice is to not bother with an Icon of Flamer or their special Warp flamer. Soul blaze or a chance to give your enemy Feel no pain isn't helpful.

>>52612254
I have a friend who just got a big catachan battleforce and is diving headfirst into guard. I eagerly await him painting it up so we can have excellent apocalypse team games.

>>52609182
So the 40k Custodes are good, but frankly they're pretty threadbare as far as units go. if I wanted to add some of the 30k units in, so Caladius Grav-Tanks and the 30k Contemptors instead of the Venerable, would that be fair or unbalanced or what?

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>There'll never be a Warhammer 40k Total War
>You'll never pre order to get you're free Adaptus Custodes army DLC pack.

It hurts...

>>52612299
neat. I always had a hard on for tzeentch circa ten years ago but stopped playing before I really ramped up an army for them.

>>52612319
Hmm. Talking about feel no pain, how does it work? Can they use it after they failed an armor save?

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>>52612244

I run the Castellans of the Imperium new formation shit that lets me take 6 fast attack, so I run 6 INDIVIDUAL armored sentinels w/las cannons. They are a bitch to destroy, even with dedicated anti-tank shit... pic related. i combine this shit with Guilliman or emperor's wrath artillery co.

>>52612363
Yeah. Feel no pain is good because it's in addition to whatever armor/cover/invuln save you take. It's one of the few ways you get to roll twice for that sort of thing.

The rubric flamer is bad because it has a chance to give that to your enemies, or improve it if they have it already. Not worthwhile

>>52612242
Helbrutes look like shit, are shit on the table, and are probably one of the worst models in the game. They're worse than Dreadnoughts in every way, and crazed is easily one of the worst model specific special rules in the game.

>>52612369
>6 Individual armoured sentinels
>In 1k points

Man that must be some fun trolling.

>>52612363
Yes. It doesn't actually count as a save so can be used in addition to, as well as against attacks that normally ignore saves.

>>52612407
no

>>52612403
Damn. Sucks about the flamers sucking. My friend plays Blood Angels so like half his units have feel no pain. Sucks they took that out of Khorne Berserkers.

>>52612411
Interesting. So how would that affect an insta-kill weapon like the Murder Sword?(Provided the swords target has feel no pain).

>>52612416
>half the number of attacks
>no smoke
>no chapter tactics
>every time it gets shot it has a chance to be useless for D3 turns
wow thanks gw

>>52610478
Iron hands, they come with it will not die. Their tech-marines also get a boost to repairs. I believe you can take them as elite and heavy support for them. I prefer to have them in drop pods but yeah, you can take up to 18 in a CAD with that, again with IWND and BotO buffs to your techpriests.

>>52612448
You can't take FnP against instant death and D attacks.

>>52612448
Yeah. In general, Flamers are pretty good, but Thousand sons bolters are better than their option for flamers, so it's no huge loss. They're mainly good for ignoring cover anyway, so against marines it's not really something to worry about not having.

>>52612360
They're not going to make a 40k Total War when they haven't even mastered WW1 yet.

We'll get something like "Europe: Total War" or maybe "Republic: Total War" covering the first World War, then once they hammer out the inevitable issues with game mechanics such as non-hovering flight, they'll move on to WWII. But expect the years between the WWI and WWII game to be long as CA will likely choose to go back to their comfort zone of pre-gunpower eras two or three times between Warhammer II, WWI, and WWII. The WWII version will likely include a Korean/Vietnam expansion as well. Then, after all that, they might tackle 40k.

So I estimate the possibility of Total War 40k being somewhere around...2023 at minimum.

>>52612369
The fuck is going on with your list? Your have Vox casters with no units capable of orders. Where do the priests go? If youre looking for cheap HQ why not comissars? Are the Vets just hoofing it with one single Plasma Gun each?

>>52612410
it is, hehe
>>52612509
yea, its usually combined with Emperor's Wrath artillery, so the voxs come in handy. Start your shit on the line and run all your shit forward-- i call it drowning out the enemy with bodies

>>52612465
Gotcha. I did notice that one of the Tzeentch spells is a Charge 5 death beam that does S'D' damage, meaning it can probably wipe out a whole freaking unit. I'm in for a treat with the rubrics~(Looking at the book again, it's exclusive to Magnus. Gotta buy that power~)

>>52612481
Yeah, they use Infernal Boltguns? Hellfire? I'll have to pore over the traitor legions book. Thanks for the info~

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>>52612407

>>52612576
I wouldn't call that bad so much as fluffy.

>>52612407
>crazed is easily one of the worst model specific special rules in the game.
crazed used to be bad, but now it's mostly just straight benefits

>1/3 chance to get rage+fleet and ignore shaken/stunned
>1/3 chance to get rage and ignore shaken/stunned
>1/3 chance to be immobilized but also fire all weapons twice
last one's the only real negative result, and that's only because you're forced to shoot the target that glanced you

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>>52612449
>falling from the Emperor's grace
>not expecting everything getting fucked
Heretics please

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>>52610701
Thin your fucking paints, you moron.

>>52612073
I was using the sternguard's obsec to try and do that, but I like the idea of an assmarine squad.

>>52612164
I only have one drop pod model sadly.

>>52612670
i've noticed an uptick in the amount of rudeness in these 40ks generals... my guess is its the same dunce talking shit-- meanwhile all his riptides/wraith knights are primed in black

protip: quit being such a rude faggit dude

>>52612712
>>52612670
FUCKING TOLD YO

Another question about thousand sons

Can the sorcerors take familiars? I have a warpling model...the...changer..thingy.the flamers!

And I wanted to stick it to a sorcs base if they can take familiars

>>52612632
Ive had some hillarious circumstances come of the last one when glancing it with a Russ and forcing it to sit there and fire plasma at my AV14. Eventually he just exploded himself with Get Hots.

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working on my first SM list. long time IG player here so i almost have no idea what i'm doing. I'm building this for casual matches but trying to avoid blatant stupid builds.

any suggestions?

What exactly is wrong with running an army just with a black primer?

Better a nice, even coat of primer than the thick mess like half of people put on.

>>52612629
>literally the only vehicle in the game to have leadership tests
>not bad

>>52612839
Black primer is nice for darker armies like Death Company, Dark Eldar, etc., but it's a bitch painting on top of it.

>>52612839
Because it shows that you don't care about putting in the slightest bit more effort. It isn't hard to prime, basecoat, detail, and wash if you have the slightest knowledge of what you're doing. And it's very easy to get that knowledge unless you're a 12 year old who has never heard of thinning their paints.

>>52612839
If you don't really care what your models look like why spend that much on models whose only worth is to look good? Just use bases with paper cut outs.

>>52612839
Because it's empty, black gamepieces that are difficult to tell apart from each other. Personally I'd much rather play against someone's messy but heartfelt attempt - not attempting to paint your dudes is lazy and contributes nothing to the overall game experience for both players.

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>>52612839

>>52612757
If I'm remembering right fire frenzy used to target the closest enemy unit, rather than the one that damaged it. It's the only part of crazed that's gotten worse, rather than better. The other stuff means it never has to buy extra armour if it wants to get into combat.

People don't remember what old rage was like, turning your very expensive troops and dreadnoughts into dogs chasing after empty rhinos.

>>52612839
Different amounts of paint, combined with the army list, can say different things about your player. Exceptions apply, of course, but I find these stereotypes tend to match up with player behavior more often than not.

An unpainted army with a noncompetitive build says "I have just started and I was hoping to get some games in. I'll paint later"

An unpainted competitive army or one using powerful builds says "This army is to me an expensive game of chess and I am only here to beat you"

A poorly painted army with a noncompetitve list says "I am still new and have zero idea what I'm doing" or "I just got these off of Ebay and will be simple greening them tonight after I playtest them"

A poorly painted or primed army with competitive combinations says "Here is my token lipservice to your so-called immersion. Now lets play already."

A well painted noncompetitive army says "I'm here to play, but winning isn't very important to me. Check out my models!"

A well painted competitive army can say "I take this game super seriously, and spend hours of my free time dedicated solely to my models" or "Look, I paid someone to paint my models for me because I really just want to win, but would rather people think I'm part of the latter category."

Like I said though, exceptions apply. But having even a shitty paintjob can color people's perception of you more positively than bare plastic.

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>>52612961
Holy fuck so accurate.

>>52610571
Well, that's understandable, I wouldn't expect an Eldar to be fluent in Mon'keigh.

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>>52612961
>A poorly painted army with a noncompetitve list

How "poorly" are we talking? I feel like this could cover 90% of players.

>>52611266
This is what happens when you change CEOs; eventually, somebody says 'what if we just did all the *good* ideas we had for AOS, and ignored all the corporate-mandated ideas from the last regime?'

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>>52611956
BROTHERS!!!!!

>>52613127
my god

>>52613127
Poorly in this case means "below tabletop quality" meaning it looks bad from more than 2' away.

So that means to be better than poor, you need to be painting inside the lines, paints thinned enough not to obscure large details, and 3 or more colors that do not garishly clash with each other.

For cases like this a small detail would be the feathers of the aquila on a guardsman's helmet, and a large detail would be the aquila as a whole.

Anyone can make those prerequisites if their eyes, hands, and coordination are unimpaired.

How about if you don't paint your drones only
Is that acceptable?

>>52613127
That wouldn't look to shabby if it weren't for the face
I'm never painting faces

>>52609230
There's an arm that's holding one in one of the kits. Believe it may be the Firewarrior one

>>52613478
Pretty much. In most cases, it shouldn't be hard to find a solid color scheme from the many, many examples and just paint it up neatly.

The biggest thing is faces, but even those I think you could get away with just doing a simple fleshtone and leaving the eyes blank. It looks weird, but not as weird as people who try to go for full detail and end up with monstrosities.

>>52611094
Tau are at the very top of mid tier in tournament results. Don't let 40kg meme you too hard.

>>52613539
>He hasn't seen tournaments where the Tau are allowed to use their alternate LOW choice that costs less than Magnus does

>>52610554
Space Wolves: Champions of Fenris can do an all dread army. As can Chaos. both die to formations

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What do you think about this list? I used the ~100 points, minus a devastator marine to put in an honor guard with banner.

This way if anything tries to get close to my gunline, them and pedro can charge for 5 attacks each (4 on pedro).

The other options for the hguard were either an assmarine squad, or an attack bike.

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>>52610031

confirmed, my Man.

>>52613579
My dick is excited to paint Mortarion. I don't even like chaos though.

>>52613592

You're not kidding, I don't care if I have to eat dry toast for a month, this is one release I'm not skimping out on

>>52613604
I am waiting for fulgrim.

Of course if dorn comes out I will start selling my body for money.

>>52610883
DG update with new models and rules comes out next month. Hold out til then

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8th edition cant come soon enough

cant fucking wait for them to trim down this bloated game

>>52613615
MY DICK

>>52611020
You are wrong. Beastmen include Tzaangors for instance

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>>52610031
>>52613579

Since the Scythe is 1:1 with the leak... it means we're getting Mortarion exactly as he appears in the leak.

Those awesome Moth / tattered wings, billowing robes...

Plague Cherubim? Daemon babies/flies chained to him or holding his robes

HNNNNNNGGGGG

>I am sorry wife, I know baby needs food but priorities are priorities

>>52610343
Weren't the orks created by the old ones as their army.

How to fix Dark Eldar:

>more cute girls
>remove all slaanesh-worshipping assholes
>supplement for Wych cults and an updated Haemonculi one
>lord of war units

>>52612484
Skaven will be in second Warhammer and they are pretty much WW1 army with tanks, machine guns, rifles and chemical weapons.

>>52611145

>Le edgy sexy sexy daemons XD getting the axe

Oh God, a boy can dream.

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>>52612177

>>52612632
>crazed used to be bad, but now it's mostly just straight benefits
no
the results look nice

but they might be totally stupid like having your walker without a powerfist (missile launcher + lascannon) charge a unit instead of firing

>>52613723
>but they might be totally stupid like having your walker without a powerfist (missile launcher + lascannon) charge a unit instead of firing
No, actually read the rule. You don't actually have to charge anything anymore.

the only things you're FORCED to do are either;
1: fire frenzy: shooting the unit that glanced you
or
2: blood rage: if out of shooting range, it must run towards the nearest enemy unit

>>52613754
the problem remains
you are not in control of it and have to make detrimental moves, like shooting when melee is better or not being able to choose the target

>>52613842
yeah, I know, because I straight up said that in >>52612632

The fact remains that crazed isn't anywhere near as close to the worst special rule out there after all its tweaks and buffs.

>>52613864
the worst special rule i can think of is ctan powers where you first choose a target and afterwards roll what weapon profile you will shoot with

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>>52613925
Nah, I don't think this one has any competition.

>>52611934
Three wounds on a termi what?

>>52611934
>those hideous old models
Why?

>>52613656
>video games and anime become more popular than torturing and watching bloody arena matches

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guys, what would happen if a genestealer managed to infect a space marine? could you get tyranid marines?

>>52614239
Tyranid marines are called tyrant guard.

>>52614239
>>52614250
yea tyrant guards are from marine geneseed. notice they are all blind and serve only to protect their hive tyrants.

really makes you think

>>52614264
I bet they also like to to punch ork-biovores and hit on cute zoantropes.

>>52614264
>>52614250
ah that already exists.

speaking of 'Nids are they a good army? I heard they got nerfed pretty hard

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>>52614321
I can't speak for them as a 40k army but I love running an all-genestealers squad in Kill Teams.

>Can't play Tau in DoW2
Suffering

>>52614389
Just play Last Stand bruv

>>52614389
Commander is fun in Last Stand

>>52614476

I wish I had more Commander Bros to play with

>Dual plasma on all

>One uses XV8 "Command" for that sweet 15% damage buff
>One tosses out Ion batteries constantly
>One Uses Frag Missiles
>One uses Anti Armour
>2 Shield Drones, 1 Marker Drone

siiigh

Being forced to roll once on shitty Tzeentch table really hurts TSons.

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>>52613945
>Nah, I don't think this one has any competition.

Au contraire

>>52614628
the dream

my steam is mister616

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I'm bored and thread is dead so here's my attempt at a fluffy forward strike force list, made it about a week ago. Probably my favorite list I've written. If you're here lurking, post lists
Extra 1 point is sniper rounds on shaper it forces you to buy

I own 3500 pts worth of iron warriors, 1200 worth of alpha legion, 2000 worth of thousand sons, 2000 worth of death guard, 1200 of word bearears, and 5000 worth of night lords. DEATH TO THE FALSE FUCKING EMPEROR. Seriously kill me I am having so much fun with NL. They are such goof badasses

8TH EDITION WHEN

>>52614082
Mental torture > physical torture.

>>52614879
>OSC
>Drone Network
>1851pts
>Tau in general
You're going to trigger a lot of people.
What made you choose the Drones in the Hunter Contingent?
And don't forget that you can take two of the same weapon on a suit without twinlinking it

>>52614958
OSC is a way to make the list a little stronger without adding a Tide/Surge/anything particularly retarded. I just love the drone net, I try to sprinkle in some gun drones to keep it fluffy. The drones are in the contingent because I don't like pathfinders, that's really the only reason. I own like 30 pathfinders and never want to field them. Also, the only way I could get 2 guns on each instead of twin-linking was gutting my troop squads, and that would make me feel like a fag tbqhwyf

>>52614879
Neuroweb system jammer is 2p upgrade. You have literally 0 reasons to be 1 point over the limit.

>>52615041
Nevermind, it's the listbuilders fault. Then again why do you use that shitty list builder?

>>52615041
Read the rest of the post you mong
There's no option to not purchase sniper rounds for the kroot shaper, which you don't have to unless you give him the kroot rifle. HOLY shit

>>52615046
People use this list builder because it's 1000x less offensive to look at than people's blocks of text. I always write up my lists in battlescribe then transfer them over

AoS player here, I wanted to start playing 40K with my demon army.
Does anyone know if Tzeentch and Slaanesh are any good in 40K?
How different will my army have to look like, if I wanted to adjust to 40K meta?

>>52615069
Tzeentch summoning bullshit is super strong, especially if you have Fateweaver or Magnus.

>>52610478
Yes, all dreadnought armies have been made.
I have a dreadnought. I call him the big yellow obnoxious metal box of death. They are fun.

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>>52615118
>
DID YOU SAY

>MEHTAL BAWKSES?!?

>>52611286
If i were stubborn i wouldn't have fucked up so many of my early models trying to follow this advice.
>>52611420
It has been consistent over years, i do not think its the paints as other paint brands don't have this issue.

>>52614885
Not soon enough. Everyone seems to be saying June, though.

>>52610478
Cant you take a dreadnought HQ as the space wolves? Bjorn or something?

So I'm ready to base my first set of guys, and I've got Astrogranite Debris.
However, I don't have one of the paint spreader things, and don't want to waste a butter knife.
What's the next best alternative.

>>52615185
Fuck it, maybe I'll try and use a wet palette with some distilled water or something.

>>52615255
You could use acryllic paint thinner instead of water if that helps.

Any book dealing with Emps reaction to HH and siege of Terra?

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>>52613127

>>52615192
Blood Angels, Ultramarines and Space Wolves can get a dreadnought HQ.

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If I get creative with the Shadow Wars terrain, do you think I could make enough ruins for a 4'x4' battlefield?

Thinking of breaking up as many of the large pieces as I can and half "burying" the big parts in gravel and sprue rubble so I can get a ruined world feeling to everything.

>>52613127
i can't believe rambo became a primarch

>>52615069
I swear you posted this exact thing but in reverse in /AoS/

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>>52615310

Probably not, unless getting really creative includes scratch-building a bunch of stuff. Seems like a shame to wreck the nice terrain just to make ruins. There are plenty of options for making smashed structures which work out much cheaper. I'd just buy a shit-load of styrene sheet and beams and try to pick up some of the GW ruined buildings for cheap on e-bay or something. Or see if I could find on of those russian construction sets.

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Why does Gulliman sometimes have lightning claws in artwork?

>>52615394
because he sometimes uses lighting claws

>>52615374
Thanks for the advice anon. I was also hesitant to cut all this stuff up, it's very neatly made.

It's too bad my terrain expertise is just cardboard city tier at the moment. I just wanted more 40kish terrain.
Are Imperial buildings more value for money?

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>>52615397

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>>52613513
Yeah, I'm using that arm for another pathfinder.

>>52609230
R8 me green stuff job.

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>>52615397

Here's the full version of that pic. You can see he's wearing a sort of Mark 2/Mark3 type suit of armour here, whereas his model is wearing a completely different suit of armour.

So that's presumably the answer, he updated his armour to fit advancements in armour tech. The real question is why he picked that moment to change his fighting style from dual claws to sword and fist.

>>52611094
Eldar, Daemons. Look at LVO.

>>52615425
holy shit i knew primarchs were tall but i never really had seen a sense of scale like here.
they must be like 20ft tall

>>52612629
>Only vehicle to have leadership tests.
>Not being more prone to being shaken, etc.
>Introduced at the same time as a price hike
No fun allowed for ork players. Being able to play the game is not allowed.

>>52615473

No that's just bad art.

Primarchs are anywhere between 8-12 foot tall depending on how masturbatory the writer is feeling that day. Not even being facetious there, it's entirely inconsistent.

How good are Emperors children? Do I need Noise Marines to get the best out of them?

>>52612712
Getting mad at kids who don't thin their paint has been a thing since before we had generals on /tg/. This ain't new.

>>52612961
TRUTH.

>>52613526
>The biggest thing is faces, but even those I think you could get away with just doing a simple fleshtone and leaving the eyes blank. It looks weird, but not as weird as people who try to go for full detail and end up with monstrosities.
As long as you have any shading at all it works fine.

>>52614984
Pathfinders are good with the Ranged Support Cadre. And OSC's aren't fluffy. They're as WAAC as you can get without bringing a riptide wing.

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New to 40k and wargaming in general, I'm interested in Admech, Orks and Tyranids. Which is the best of those three for a beginner (both hobby and game wise)?

I'm probably going to wait for 8th before getting into things proper but I'll likely buy a SC! box before then to myself started.

>>52615571
AdMech

>>52615571
AdMech. Boths Orks and Nids are bottom of the ladder in terms of tabletop ranking. Admech look awesome, but are hard to paint for beginners. In that regard, nids and orks are much better but you won't have any fun getting your hundreds of painted models just blown off the table. Admech can field relatively few models and have a good chance of winning, but you should be prepared to mess up your first couple of models.

Just remember to THIN YOUR PAINTS

>>52615571
orks and tyranids are in a bit of a weakspot on tabletop right now but both are super fun to paint and model.
admech are very strong but are small and fiddly to model and paint

>>52615206
an old wrecked paintbrush works fine

also anything vaguely spatula-shaped
I use a nail scraper from a manicure set

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>>52615559
>switch to RSC
>now people bitch that I'm spamming broadsides
The OSC is honestly not that bad. And in what way is it not fluffy?

>>52615588
>>52615583
>>52615597


Thanks guys, AdMech are what I was leaning towards since I was aware that they're the most viable of the three right now but also since they're the least swarmy, so less models to paint even if they are more difficult than the other two. FWIW I'm going full fluff and casual, I'm not interested in competitive play at all, but being able to win sure is nice.

In any case for starters I will probably pick up some cheap used muhreens, strip 'em, and use them for practice to get my experience of confidence up before starting my proper army. And when I do my proper army I will paint a single unit, writing down all the steps I did as I go, and if it turns out good then I can repeat it in larger batches.

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I swear to god it's harder to get a smooth finish on metal than it is on plastic.

>>52615651

Yeah plastic seems to hold the paint best and give the best finished result.

>>52615069
Tzeentch has the best psykers and saves.
Slaanesh has strong, fast melee troops and a powerful, cheap greater daemon.

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how are black templars at the moment?
love everything about them as they are pretty much loyalist world eaters

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>>52615685
Fugging fug, maybe I should start that Admech army after all.

>>52615720
>love everything about them as they are pretty much loyalist world eaters
No, that would be Flesh Tearers
Also I heard someone retconned everything that was awesome about them when they got rolled into the main Marine codex.

>>52615532
Can someone be a babe and help? <3

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>>52615625

>>52615843
Noise Marines are the way to go. Blastmasters are not worth the points, just load up on Sonic Blasters and dump wounds on squads. Take your formations for the S5 and Shred for added fuckery

>>52615616
Your shooting a vehicle's rear armor FROM THE FRONT! And the only explanation we get from the formation description is that we only "think" they're right in front of us. Strange, given that the next turn we can shoot that apparition and it somehow takes damage all the same. At the same time, you completely ruin vehicle armies, whose whole point is using positions and angling to maximize their apparent toughness. "Oh, you cleverly positioned that Leman Russ so that the only way I can get to the rear armor is to deep strike into the middle of a guardsman horde? Well fuck you, I'm going to kill it from the front with strength 6 weaponry using a unit that has a 2+ cover save in the open against anything further than a foot away. I mean, who want's to use cover, or positioning, or strategy when I can park my ass wherever I want and still hit you from behind?

>>52615871

Honestly "lol I'm actually behind you because holograms!" Is more a harlequin trick than a tau trick.

OSC should instead grant the Ghostkeels infiltrate and the stealth suits move through cover. More fluffy, and a nice tactical benefit without being crazy broke.

>>52615616
Fluffy would be taking a Ghostkeel and Stealth Suits without that formation. The rules are cheese, and everyone knows it.

>>52615616
Three Broadsides is not spam. Nine is spam. I take the RSC so that my Pathfinders don't die on the first turn, making them useful. They will still die hard to flamers. I also take the RSC so that I can use three separate units of Broadsides while leaving my HS slots open for my Hammerheads.

>>52615912
I would accept this.

>>52615571

Admech are OK in terms of power level (difficult to judge how they will be in the future, but probably at least somewhat good). Many of their units are tricky to assemble (lots of tiny pieces which have to go on exactly the right way on exactly the right figure and can easily snap off). Moderate in terms of painting (mostly because cloth can be a bit difficult; everything else is just drybrush and wash unless you want to do fancy lighting effects). They can also ally with many other forces.

Orks are shit in terms of power level (and almost guaranteed to stay shit), easy to assemble (and offer many opportunities for relatively simple conversion if you like), difficult to paint (lots of little details, changing from metal, to cloth, to flesh, to leather over a small area).

Tyranids are shit in terms of power level (but might get better in the future, as they have been OK in the past), fairly easy to assemble and easy to paint (base colour, wash, basically).

>>52615864
What's the best way to aquire sonic blasters? I hate the metal ones

>>52609620
Ab-Humans, Ab-Problems

>>52615912
Don't forget the part where shooting the Hologram apparently damages the actual Ghostkeel. LOGIC!

>>52615871
Yeah because it's so god damn difficult to keep your tank 18 inches away from the anti tank division. Talk about tactics, it's not like anything in the OSC has any kind of range. Most tanks could cozily chill like 60" away and hammer down fire, and if the ghostkeel deepstrikes in it's now in the middle of your entire army. Pretty easy to assault and kill at this point.
>>52615923
If I'm honestly only buying 1 broadside per unit at that point it's just a shitty tax that dies to a lascannon to take a unit I already don't want to take

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>>52615977
30k Kakophoni are my personal favorite.

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Decisions decisions decisions.

>>52616035
>what are missile drones
>what are cover saves

Ghostkeels can deep-strike and so can Stealth Suits.

If you did deploy on the front line, that 18" comes into effect on turn 2 after your 6" move. Vindicators need to close to 24" to use their cannon (exposing them to a rear armour shot from the ghostkeel next turn). Any walker is fucked. Commander Pask with his 24" punisher cannon is fucked. Just about the only things it doesn't affect are Landraiders and Monoliths. It's a fucked formation.

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Does anyone know how it's possible to defeat four assassins with Magnus the Red, A unit of Rubricae, a unit of scarab occult termies, some exalted sorcs and ahriman? They're all troublesome to kill, but i'm confident I can tarpit a few like the eversor or the callidus if he's playing cautious with the rubricae and scarabs, it's the Culexus i'm worried about though. Any ideas?

>>52616078
>Bloody Rose: Khornefags
>Sacred Rose: Vanillafags
>Our Martyred Lady: Posterboyfags
>Ebon Chalice: Oldfags
>Valorous Heart: Cuckfags
>Argent Shroud: Moralfags

>>52616110

>How do I kill Culexus?

Gun