Whats the verdict of this /tg/? Have they said anything else

Doesn't look as good as DOW I.

>>52597565
looks worse than two as well

>>52597417
open beta coming up, if its shit, I wont buy it. the end.

>>52597417
Having playing DoW1 and DoW2 in competitive leagues, and being involved in the closed beta for DoW3, I honestly think this is the worst of the series so far. They've replaced every member of the original dev team and it shows. It feels like a completely different game and many of the changes they made were seemingly without cause.

I can't comment on the campaign story, not for any NDA-related reasons but because so far there isn't one. The closed testing has been 100% multiplayer, with all single-player options disabled.

I already paid for it because I know even if it's shit, I'll put 100 hours in anyway

That being said, yeah it's definitely going to be worse than DoW1. My hopes is it incrementally improves with the expansions. I'm not saying the Risk mode has to come back, but it would be nice.

No mentions of Thaddeus,hair gel,Cyrus,Tarkus,diomedies, and Martellus worries me

Since we can only comment on the MP, I think what I've seen makes the game look like a very silly SC2 clone. The unit highlights and the overall visual style makes the game not appreciable to the eye, unlike SC2. The big spell and damage effects don't have that WHAM feel of big spell and damage effects. Nevermind how you can just walk away from those.

And on top of that, a heavy dose of musical chairs.

>>52597417
>what's the verdict of this game that hasn't come out yet?

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Looks "full of new ideas"

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>>52599598

Heres a picture full of their ideas.

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If you guys watch the newest trailer in their channel, you'll notice that you have to unlock all the paints in the army painter.

>inb4 can only buy paints with dlc

>>52599675

Those colors look so awful. The art style just pushes the hideousness to the forefront.

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>>52599627
Angelos confirmed for ugliest marine ever lived, rivaled only by plague marines.

I'm really going to have to hold my thought until I can actually play the campaign.

>>52599627
Why is he twice the size as the others, do marines grow like orks now?

>>52599814
Think thats suppose to be Terminator Armor

>>52597417
Having played the beta: I like it. Yes, it's different from the first two, but you find enough elements of comparison for it to deserve its name: besides the universe, the game plays a bit like 2 in the beginning (when you have a few squads cqpping everywhere, trying not to get eaten), and much more like 1 in the end. The major difference is the TTK imo: battle are now really killy, which I find coherent with the 40k-verse.
The customization aspect is also neat (not talking about the army painter, but doctrines + elites).
On its own, I think it's a really fine game fir now. Waiting for the campaign to confirm this (but we don't have any information besides what we've seen of it in a few videos).

>>52599691
I don't see what people don't like in the art style. Units based on tiny plastic men look like tiny plastic men.
Besides, it will allow the game to run on your toaster, contrary to DoW2 which on release was pretty computer heavy for the time.

>>52599982
>Besides, it will allow the game to run on your toaster, contrary to DoW2 which on release was pretty computer heavy for the time.
>It looks awful because we wanted the toaster audience.

This is not a positive selling point. Moreso if you are not the toaster welfare race.

>>52599982
>Besides, it will allow the game to run on your toaster
Not for nothing but if you can't get an RTS to run on a toaster, there's a problem. It's one of the most toaster-friendly genres out there.

Why is Gorgutz leading the Bad Moons now?

>>52599627
>He must be so big because he's in the foreground
>Nope, there's a marine standing right in front of him
>He's the size of a dreadnaught, he's also bounding through the air

wot

>>52599925
So it is, still seems too big

>>52600028
The site basically says "the campaign will explain it" which to me says "we didn't want 2 red factions in the first edition of this game"

>>52600132
They could have just not used Gorgutz. Say he died on Kaurava or something.

So is it more focused on fewer, more complex units?

Is it more micro-manage-y?

>>52600191

Lots of little regular units with a few elite units you'll carry through missions (think like the honor guard)

>>52600017
I presume this is bait so well done. But no, RTS are pretty cpu-heavy most of the time - unless it uses sprites instead of full 3D models and has no effects whatsoever.
>>52600191
Most units have abilities to micro (especially the elite units), but there are a lot of units to micro, so it's difficult to use all of them efficiently at my level at least

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A novel is coming out about the game.

So what is this ultimate evil that all the factions must unite to defeat?

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>>52600568

>>52600568
.....Chaos. What the fuck else would it be?

Nids and Crons are for DLC.

>>52600594
>.....Chaos. What the fuck else would it be?

Tau

>>52600568
Different clues in the videos they've shown suggest Necrons

>>52600617

What clues?

>>52599627
>sir you have grown ten feet since we last crossed paths.

Yes I was gifted this dreadnought armor for valour against an unspeakable foe of epic power and detestable influence.

>t-that looks like brother Varkus's dreadnought chassis...I can see the name scratched and painted over!

Yes a grand gift indeed.

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>>52599982
>Units based on tiny plastic men look like tiny plastic men.

No they don't you fucking liar. Space Marine models are stout and fat bastards with incredibly thick limbs and dense proportions, and with the right skill can be easily painted to look far better than the fucking garbage graphics this game has. It's clear you don't play the tabletop if you seriously think these Buzz Lightyear shitheads look like anything on the table.

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>>52600823

>>52599627
I bet they'll explain this with him being 90% bionic replacements somehow.

>>52600945

Bionic replacements didn't turn Calgar into Mega Man, it didn't turn Cawl into Iron Man, and it shouldn't turn Angelos into a gymnastics terminator.

>>52600568
>instalment
>INSTALMENT
Way to screw up a two paragraphs long advertisement

>>52600568
Someone call the Ordo Grammaticus

>>52599982
Others having played the beta described the pacing as awful and being a cross between an RTS and a MOBA. Early victories didn't seem to affect your chances of winning much and with elites being highly decisive in your chances of winning. End game balance of units and elites seemed to be shit as well.

The art style is a major fucking departure from the realistic grit and takes to much after Starcrat 2/Warcraft.

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>nu-relic

>>52600568

The trailers have already spoiled that they're clearly on a tombworld.

>>52603756
There was an old relic worth it?

>>52600807
>>52600823
>>52600829
Those models would look terrible in a PS1 game.

>>52600807
You say that but, I remember the Smurfs movie.

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>Death Watch kill teams are considered early game spammable units

>>52597417
If we don't get another hilariously overacted space marine character I'll be upset.

>"we get our lore from 1d4chan"
>"let's copy starcraft 2"
>"because we love ripping off blizzard, let's make all hero characters taller than the rest"

Fuck these guys.

>>52604628
It's an RTS. In DoW1 you could go through several companies of space marines in a single match.

>>52599814
>>52600090
>>52600806
>>52600945

A lot of that height can be attributed to the fact that he's taking a jump from a running start.

>but terminators running and jumping is stupid
Yes. Yes it is.
>but he's still too tall even if you take off that height
Yep.

>>52604628
IDIOT

They are a Elite Unit, thus you get only one per player. Also if they get killed then they simply cooldown until you can recruit them again, and every kill stretches the cooldown even further.

THEY ARE THE REVERSE OF SPAMMABLE YOU TROLL.

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>>52603576

What do you want this time? I'm a little busy.

>>52600002
Actually it is. Not everyone has a gaming computer that can run every game at 4k resolution 120 fps.

Having lower spec requirements broadens your audience. It is also why program optimization is a thing.

>watch the gameplay
>Coh2 players think that the game's fine.
welp

>>52599627

Well clearly that faggot theory about the Reubans being Thousand Sons descendants is confirmed for bullshit, because clearly the main Babe Gabe is their Primarch.

Blood Ravens = Missing legion II/XI confirmed.

>>52606999

What the fuck is the story

They haven't mentioned ANY past Blood Ravens besides Gabe and Jonah

>>52607292

Look at the fucking size of him. He's a Primarch.

Looks like starcraft 2 and I'll never forgive them for that.

But really my ideal 40k game would be a total war-scale combat with battlefleet gothic armada for "naval battles"

>>52599814
>there are larger than average marines

Barban Falk of the iron warriors stood a head taller than most marines. Kharn and Abaddon are also described as being larger than average

>>52607292

They are all dead anon

Hairgel and Thaddeus got tricked currently crusading

>>52603737

Any source to these claims?

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Looks like they tried to turn DoW into Starcraft by stripping everything that added soul to it and then added giant units and MOBA-like stuff such as bushes just because that's what all the cool kids want.
The projectiles are all REALLY slow for some reason and the colors and terrain look diluted.

I mad

>>52607946

I'll take tighter gameplay and larger armies than the floatiness of the previous two games.

And I hate to break it to you, but all your complaints are literally just buzzwords. "It's similar to X" is not a valid con.

>>52608046
>tighter gameplay than the floatiness of DoW2

nigga, if you didn't play the game just say it.

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>>52608079

>spending half a match with 3 Chaos marines and cultists
>having maybe 3 squads of Orks and 1 killa Kan is considered a waaagh

I don't care what anyone thinks, the cap in 2 was unforgivable

>>52597417
The story feels kind of wonky: In that weird planet there's an artifact known as the Spear of Khaine, which an eldar wants for shits and gigs, the orks want it because they are orks and Gabe wants to destroy it because he thinks it's corrupted (and not because its vile xeno tech or because it would screw over the xenos, that would be smart). Why the hell would Gabe know more than the eldar about their own artifact is beyond me, must have been gifted the info along some Primarch templates he used to buff himself up. Also why the fuck does Jonah look younger and like a literal blackface? Seriously, he looks like a macho racist parody of what he used to be.

>>52608187

Where'd you hear those story details?

>>52608170
>talking about caps when i was responding to you talking about a lack of tight gameplay

nothing screams "not an argument" more than responding to something i wasn't commenting on. way to be a dumb faggot anon

>>52608203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQsYP3MQswg

This and i swear i saw something at the website (before being utterly disgusted at the fact that they are releasing preorder skin packs. The fuck mate.) Gonna dig around to try and find the bit where they talked about it.

>tfw liivii likes robodick now after he failed to protect taldeer and she got put into a wraithboner

>>52608262
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQsYP3MQswg
Whoops, wrong version. Kinda scared they did a PEGI version, don't wanna think about the implications of that.

>>52608441

Is macha rebeling?

>>52608046
>just buzzwords
>"It's similar to X" is not a valid con.

Whatever you say captain

>>52600180
Bad idea anon. We already see what they do when the get creative with how terminators move...

New Ork Warboss would be capable of gravitic liftoff from a seated position, without assistance. And probably the size of a epic tank with the visual cues of a Hive Tyrant. Not what we want.

>>52608450
Looks like it, i think it was along the lines of her not wanting the spear to be obtained either. Inb4 they go full goto and have Macha and Gabe joining in jolly cooperation (although to be fair it wouldn't be the first time the Eldar and the Imperium join forces).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82JQ721Y_w8

Same dude here, this is pretty much what they've got so far. Shit looks way too flashy for a 40k game, the fuck.

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>>52608674

The Emperor

Has forsaken us

>>52607292
>What the fuck is the story
Officially, the Blood Ravens are a chapter of unknown founding and unknown primarch whose oldest records dates on M37. Their greatest hero is Azariah Vidya, who set they way of war until Kyras ruined everything.
There is a theory between DoW and HH fans that they are from loyalists Thousand Sons, which is based that in fluff both have shitload of psykers, having the color red and being disliked by the Space Wolves.
The biggest link until recently was the Corvidae Cult led by Revuel Arvida, who weren't in Prospero when Russ tore it a new one, so they went to Terra to find what happened, but he was affected by the flesh change, and it took Malcador and a piece of Magnus (long story) to save him, by the piece fusing with Arvida and creating a new being named Janus, who joins the proto-Grey Knights.

>>52608513


>Overwatch is in first person and has microtransactions like a CoD ripoff so it's shit

Is essentially your argument

>>52609309
Where did I even mention micro transactions?
What do micro transactions have to do with the visual or gameplay side of things?

>All 40k games that have looked promising like Deathwing turned out to be shit

so maybe the one 40k game that looks shit on the outset might turn out to be good?

>>52598379
>They've replaced every member of the original dev team and it shows.

Relic has a bad habit of doing this between every game release. By the time the existing team has learned how their ass backwards engine works properly they've left, or THQ has gone bankrupt, or whatever and then a whole new team makes the next sequel or expansion pack with predictable results.

Then by the time THEY figure out how Relic's ass backwards engine works...

>>52609309

Not him, but let's break down why you're a retarded asshole and also wrong. From his post at >>52608046 :


>Looks like they tried to turn DoW into Starcraft by stripping everything that added soul to it

So here he's saying the game lacks charisma. An intangible and subjective quality, but nevertheless a valid criticism from his POV.

> then added giant units and MOBA-like stuff such as bushes just because that's what all the cool kids want.

Here he suggests that they've comprimised the feel of the original by adding in things to appeal to a mainstream.

>The projectiles are all REALLY slow for some reason and the colors and terrain look diluted.

This pretty much needs no explaination, it's an aesthetic criticism.

I don't even have to agree with that anon to know you're talking shit. If you think that's all buzzwords then you a) don't know what buzzword means and b) are probably just either a butthurt fanboy or a tryhard trying super hard to be a smartass and failing.

>>52609047
So the Blood Ravens aren't even Thousand Sons. They're just some guy's Dudes.

I've heard that the whole game is basically like plants vs zombies where 2 armies charge at each other up the same map with only 3 lanes, trying to reach others core

It sounds hilariously bad.

>tfw you will NEVER have a Total War scale 40k game with huge armies with loads of tanks, titans, and infantry
>tfw you will NEVER have that same game that uses spaceships for naval battles
>tfw you will NEVER have this game let you do a galactic conquest mode

>>52609948
That said, people says that the White Dwarf issue about the Burning of Prospero brings back the theory, almost saying that the OG Blood Ravens were what was left of a Thousand Sons offshot.

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/tg/ im scared

what if 40k never gets a good game again?

>>52610205
BFG and space hulk were gud

not amazing, but gud

So dark crusade is still the best dawn of war game?

>>52609666

I was criticizing that everyone's always like "oh game Y shows elements of being similar to this genre that normies like now so that automatically means it's shit" not saying he didn't have some valid criticisms

>>52608187
>Why the hell would Gabe know more than the eldar about their own artifact is beyond me
It is said somewhere that there is an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor, who brought help from the Deathwatch. He/she may told Gabriel about the legends of the "wandering world" and why it would be a bad idea let anyone else touch the spear.

>>52609948
>>52610176
I hope the Blood Ravens are loyal Thousand Sons.

>>52610330

I think there is an autistic HH author who says he will never allow it

>>52610346

HH has fucking ruined 40k lore holy fuck

>>52610378
At least Goulding does not work there anymore.
>>52610346
Dammit ADB, you made like the Night Lords and you had fucked it up with this.

>>52599525

Apparently the terminator chaplain elite is Diomedes, supposedly some line in the codex in the closed beta names him.

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>>52604749

BATTLE BROTHERS

>not wielding a terminator sized hammer

>>52604628
>Elite unit you can only have 1 of at a time
>spammable

Sure, it's the cheapest of the elite units (standing in a list with terminators, captains, librarians, and knights), but that makes sense. You can still only have 1 of each elite unit at a time.

Way to do your research before posting though, champ.

>>52610274
It had arguably the best campaign, though winter assault and the original make it a close call. But best in terms of gameplay? Anyone who denies that dawn of war 2 and its expansions were not the best in that regard is blinded by nostalgia, basically what we all wanted was a dawn of war 2 with a bit more added onto it and instead we got a starcraft moba with god awful lore

>>52610205
None of the recent 40k games have been terrible imo
But none of them were particularly remarkable either, including this one.

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>>52608046

He didn't use a single buzzword in that post, you idiot.

>>52603985
Those models are the size of your thumb.

Being a tabletop player should be fucking mandatory for participation in these threads I swear.

>>52608046
>DOW 2
>Get a Leman Russ
>It slowly drives into place and crushes everything in front of it, then stops to fire
>BOOM
>Giant weighty explosion, instantly strikes what it was shooting at, you can practically feel the shockwave through the keyboard.

>DOW 3
>Drive Predator up
>Pew

>>52610330

Me too. There are people here who will jump down your throat and go full autism mode at the mention of them being loyalist Sons, but I've never understood why. It is not at all unreasonable that out of the entire legion there may have been some Thousand Sons who were not on Prospero and aware of all the shit that was going down.

>>52610346

Which one, and under whose authority does he allow and disallow things? Because if he used those exact words, then calling him "autistic" might be going a little easy on him.

>>52610205
You should play Space Hulk Ascension.

>>52599627
Is no one noticing how they all have Blood Angels insignia?

>>52613265
That's Blood Raven insignia you dipshit.

>>52613308
>Winged teardrop of blood
>Blood Ravens
>Not Blood Angels

M8, you know full well that the Blood Ravens insignia is a black raven with a teardrop of blood in its chest. Winged blood drops are pretty exclusively blood angels and their successor chapters.

>>52613404
Are you fucking blind or just retarded? There's a bird head above those wings.

>>52613426
Not on the faggot in terminator armour, look at the marines. They clearly are missing the raven part of their insignia on their left shoulders, and the two to the right of Angelus have blood angels chest insignia too. Angelus is the only one with an actual blood ravens insignia.

>>52613404
They just didn't marked the head as clearly as it should be. It's that tiny tiny pointy end on top.

>>52610036

I'm glad WFB players are getting some love, Emperor knows they've been shit on enough, but it makes me sad that they clearly got the Sega A-team and 40k has been handed to trash devs. I loved 1 and 2 in their own ways but this looks dreadful.

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>>52613426
>>52613498
Seriously guys I'm not talking about the big dude, it's the marines whose insignias are fucked up.

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>>52613530
We know ya dingus. They fucked it. The head is still there, but they used the BA way of doing wings instead of the normal, more angular/bird looking way.

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>>52613634
And the tailfeathers are where? It looks far more like the point that you're talking about is just a continuation of the trim around the blood drop rather than the head of a bird. It's not just the BA style of doing wings, it's the BA insignia.

But I agree with you, either way, they fucked it up hard.

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>>52610205
CA will sure make one, they made Halo and Alien game already, there has to be 40k.

>>52613875
but total warhammer is shit

>>52613888
It's not.

All they had to do was make a DoW1 Remaster HD with all factions and it would've sold like hotcakes.

What the fuck happened?

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>>52613888
Khorne you are wrong.

Since we're onto vidya, anyone olayed Deathwing since their last big update that happened a few weeks ago?
I have a computer problem, but I heard most of the bugs and fps drops were fixed.

>>52610839
jesus fucking christ

>>52613254
This, guns had actual recoil in dawn of war 2

>>52613888
Siege war in it is shit but other than that it's bretty gud

>>52610839
Angelos is literally Adeptus Custodes size. Man stands taller than some Primarchs.

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>>52597417
Looks like complete crap, from the videos and streams I've watched I just get bored. Might be different when I play it.

The only positive thing I can say of it is that the sound fx are good, the voice work is trash though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82JQ721Y_w8

>>52615878
Seeing clips of 3 and playing through all of 2 and its expansions made me appreciate the "directing" and dialogue of the scenes from the first game.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgazrS9N8Ro

>>52613254

You can also only have one or two Russ' in a match. That's it. I don't call that an army.

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>>52613175

>IT'S A MOBA!
>ITS STARCRAFT!
>NORMIE GAMES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why won't you faggots stop fucking pretending your arguments aren't full of holes. Dawn of War 2 was objectively shit no matter how cinematic it was. The cap was unforgivable, NOTHING like Tabletop, you couldn't even make it anywhere near an apocalyptic game whereas DoW 1 the armies in 3v3 could be colossal. Now that some games are based around hero units fighting and normies like it, you suddenly flip your shit when DoW 3 has a few elite units and lanes (WHICH THE OTHER GAMES HAD)

Just stop.

All the DoW games have been crap. Hardly anyone talks about why they are crap.
One example. Units fire through terrain. Not just walls but if a unit is below another unit on a ridge they will fire through the ground. Just lazy.

>>52616826
Fuck off, shill

>>52616757
They could have increased the scope, agreed. But as a tactical RTS it worked pretty well except for the fucking retreat mechanic.

>>52613966
fucking manlets, when will they learn?

>>52609425
Eternal crusade comes to mind

but it's a mess

>>52616826
DoW2 was miles ahead of DoW1, and 3 should have scaled it down even further. Fight me, faggot.

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Someone on /v/ played the beta and found this.

>>52617399
BROTHER, I AM HIT

>>52616826
>and lanes (WHICH THE OTHER GAMES HAD)

They did not. Some of DoW2's maps had a lot of narrow choke points leading from one base to the other, but the majority were pretty open.

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>>52617599

Sure.

>>52610839
Dont forget he moves like a eldar too at that size

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>>52617660
>if I cherry pick examples it makes the other maps not exist
Not to mention
>how dare maps set in urban areas have streets

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>>52617660
>Is it my turn to cherrypick mom!

>>52616826

Guy you're replying to here, and I wasn't arguing his case. I was making 3 points:

1. He didn't use any buzzwords
2. You obviously don't know what a buzzword is
3. You also don't know what "literally" means.

MOBA is not a buzzword. Neither is Starcraft. And he didn't say the word "normie".

tl;dr you're still an idiot

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>>52617660
So linear, much MOBA.

>>52615647
yeah but nothing had recoil in 1 aside from the Leman Russ.

>>52618016
MOBA has pretty much become a buzzword, just on the basis of how often people will decry certain mechanics as being taken from MOBAs, even if they were used in RTS games first.

I mean, this is the series that treats bolters like they're just oversized submachineguns, so I'm not expecting total accuracy here.

>>52616826
>IT'S A MOBA!
Well the multiplayer SORTA is. It's still an RTS, but it wants you to do picking/counterpicking of heroes and the objective is to destroy the main building like in a moba.

Which ignores that in DoW you automatically won when destroying the enemy commander center,

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I don't see the problem, I like DotA-style objective modes, it's why I play those games. Yes I would like more like an obvious skirmish mode and maybe DC's Risk mode in the future (not SS's, that was terribly designed and you'd spend turns doing nothing just so you could earn income). As long as we are given more options later, I don't see why having a DotA mode is bad unless you hate that so much you don't even want the option.

And as for the campaign, I can't comment on it because I and no one else has gotten to play it yet. But judging from the trailers, we're going to have to team up to fight the Necrons.

>>52617399

I AM PINNED 'ERE

>>52597417
Utter garbage.
It's like every bad aspect of DoW1 and DoW2 combined into one with the feel of ShitCrack2.
More lane-y gameplay than DoW2, but this time ramped up to eleven, whithout the elaborate cover system and with ugly synchronized clone armies a la DoW1.
Base building doesn't seem to add anything meaningfull to the game.
Those dropable items you use for army costumization will make balance a total clusterfuck, not even taking the historical ineptitude of Relics balancing into account.
Lacks any sort of 40k flair whatsoever, effects and sounds are underwhelming and the character animations are compleatly laughable and disgusting (those dreadnoughts and assault terminators are cringe, as is HUGEriel Angelos).
And finaly: Bigger scale battles? My ass. Shit feels smaler scale and less visceral than DoW2R and can't hold a candle to its on fucking point visuals.

>>52610205
>implying it was good in the first place

>>52617399

You gotta be fucking me

Is it just Diomedes?

>>52618711
>Base building doesn't seem to add anything meaningfull to the game.

Do you just not like RTS games?

>>52619737
Not that guy, but there's good base building and bad base building. For examples of interesting base building that adds something to the experience, look at Supreme Commander, SC/WC3/SC2, or most Westwood games.

In comparison, base building in DoW1 just felt like filling out a checklist. It was boring and unrewarding, and DoW2 did not lose much when it decided to just do away with it and focus on the things it excelled at instead.

>>52619574

Yes, there's no one else returning from DoW 2 in the credits. Other than Jonah i mean. There's Gabriel, Jonah and apparently Diomedes. Tarkus, Cyrus and Thaddeus aren't listed in the credits.

So far the game has been great, have beta and its enjoyable.

Art style was weird at first, but honestly like it, subsided background with bright units, focuses on what matters while keeping a grimdark feel.

>>52620036

And SC/WC are? what drugs are you taking? You had far more usage for buildings in DoW than in those, other than spam turrets all around the place, that is, because they were limited.

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>>52620036

did you seriously say that starcraft has good base building

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>>52618711
>ugly synchronized clone armies a la DoW1.
>Lacks any sort of 40k flair whatsoever, effects and sounds are underwhelming and the character animations are laughable and disgusting (those dreadnoughts and assault terminators are cringe, as is HUGEriel Angelos).
>Shit feels smaller scale and less visceral than DoW2R and can't hold a candle to its on fucking point visuals

If these problems weren't in the game along with the lack of sync kills, I would probably really like it.

>>52620036

Yeah but he listed base building like it's an inherent negative.

>>52620435
>implying RTSes have good basebuilding

>>52621797

Command and Conquer.

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>40k Vidya is becoming garbage
>WH Fantasy Vidya is booming

Really activated my almonds

>>52613530
Oh my fucking god you're right

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>>52620435
>implying it hasn't
I mean its not AoE2, but its still pretty important.

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>>52623947
>every resource point pictured is exhausted
>mass of bodies piled in the foreground
Doing it right.

>>52597417
Still waiting on open beta, but watched AngryJoe play it on twitch. It looks like a lot of fun.

>>52620036
How did DoW1 have bad base building? I specifically remember people having variety of different building strats and that's exactly what you want with base building, not autistic 'muh apm' build orders where it's all the same and the guy who presses buttons faster wins.

>>52627751

Unfortunately, base building in DoW 3 is extremely barebones, it feels like it's just there because they had to mark it on a checklist.

The ones that have it the best are the Eldar because they can move their buildings around.

>>52627872
Yeah, I realize DoW 3 is a piece of shit.

I just don't understand what he means by unrewarding? Does he expect to get his dick sucked for getting dreads before someone else?

Solaria is such an useless piece of shit. I'd rather have 3 Gabriel Angeloses.

>>52600624
The environment where the spear of Khaine is held is mentioned to be made of "living metal" or the likes, and the prophecy by Taldeer in a trailer mentions that the three armies are united by a "storm prince" which some anons think is related to Imotekh the storm king. Might have missed other clues.

>>52628642
Gabe had a fantastic voice in the first two games, kinda pissed he doesnt have the same one.

>>52610839
Jesus Christ his fucking head is almost as big as Mira's body.

>>52629125
>tfw to intelligent to be a 7 foot manlet

>>52599627
>>52600090
>>52599814
>>52600806
>>52610839
>>52629152

Angelos confirmed for primarch status.
He was gifted Sanguinius' body after the primarch's death. Also explains the weird half-ass Blood Ravens/Blood Angels crossover insignia.

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>>52613254
>Predator's autocannon
>Comparable to a Leman Russ's battle cannon

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Haven't played it. As a blizzfag I actually like this asthetic and wish Blizzard went for a style similar to it for SC2.

Beyond that, I really don't know. The hero system seems like a regression from DoW2's while trying to make them more than what DoW1 did, the new cover system is more brainless than DoW1 which is fucking stupid considering how lazy it already was in DoW2 compared to CoH, unit responses are meh.

The combat also doesn't impress me.. It's like a simpler RA2, but RA2 actually has more exciting plays than "dude I used my #epic jump on you." One thing it seems to do right still is the ability to come back from a loss, which if they didn't get right would make the game a total failure given that the combat is largely about 2 blobs headbutting each other.

tl;dr more hyped for the sc1 remaster than this

>>52628354
Basically what I meant is, the buildings in DoW1 are really... standard? With the exception of the eldar waygates and the necron monolith, they are all fall into the categories "builds/upgrades stuff" or "generates resources". I don't really count the turrets because they're so limited and don't really do much. Plus, every faction uses the exact same method to construct them. Doesn't help that the engine is VERY clunky about where you can place stuff.

SC/WC3 isn't my favourite counter example, 'cause it doesn't to THAT much more, but it does a better job of mixing things up between factions. Terrain manipulation and requirements, buildings that can move about, different construction methods between factions, different resource gathering between factions, "buildings" that can be used for scouting (overlords), and so on.

To be honest with you though, I don't actually enjoy the APM race. It kind of bothered me that almost every mission in Heart of the Swarm was a timed mission.

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>>52628840

IMOTEKH THE STORMLORD COMMETH

PREPARE THYSELF

>>52628977

I like this one's voice, i like how he says "BACK! Scum" when he uses one of his hammer skills.

>>52598316
Let's not get carried away

>>52630715
Not to mention that in WC3 a well built base is a deathtrap for any invader.

>>52599627
Wow that design and I don't mean just that behemoth. Why do the Space Marines look lanky as fuck (especially the one on the right; his arms look way outta scale)? Their heads also look pathetically small.

>>52597417
>back flipping terminators
>only seen game play of space marines and eldar
>confimed from developers that multiplayer is going to be a Moba isk system.
>no other multiplayer modes at launch
So far it's not shaping up to be good. Best to let to launch and wait for all the races to get out in.

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My 2 cents.

I would have been ok with the graphics if they hadn't removed what made the DoW series for me personally, the animated kills!

This was what tabled the DoW and set it apart from different games when it first hit the grid. People was amazed by the fact that their units didn't do a set amount of DPS, but instead relied on the graphical engine to figure out a way for your Dreadnought to stomp, slash and tear through the enemy infantry! And if that bad boy hit you, you didn't see a red life bar going down 6 hp, he fucking yanked you by the torso and squished you like a bug, before smashing you back in to the ground! That, to me at least, was the real trademark behind this game series, and what I will miss the most.

Other than that, I also think they fucked up the cover system, but I can live with that, as the game is on a completely different scale. And they promised to ad in tactical routes that only certain models/units could take (like in star craft, I know....). But at least thats something.

Overall, Ill wait until Steam summer sale, as I never buy a game full price and just try it out and still support it. I own everything else to the series, so it would be a shame not to own it at least.

>>52634578
DoW did have DPS, dread's just did a fuckton.

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It's gonna be fucking dead on arrival
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ri8rWyo4c

>>52599627
So apparently Angelos became: Ugly, Giant and a reckless moron... how has relic fallen.

>>52600568
so.. who the fuck is that author? is he good or does he suck ass?

>>52609948
No, they ARE TS loyal descendants. In A thousand sons Magnus sent the entire fleet away, the blood ravens happen to be a fleet based chapter.

>>52610330
They are

>>52610346
Yup, pretty much but Relic and GW just dont give a shit about his fee fees. New Gabriel Angelos it's a blatant call back to magnus the red.

ADB went full batshit autistic because his headcanon wasnt imposed.

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>>52634578
>he DoW series for me personally, the animated kills!
All I wanted is them to remake the original DOW with better padding, better engine, better graphics and reworked tech trees and balance.

No need to re-invent the wheel.

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>>52599627
GABRIEL "XBOX HUEG" ANGELOS

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so... did Macha got her original voice actor back at least?

>>52610839
>When stealing relics isn't enough so you also steal a Primarchs size

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>>52636086

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>>52636125

>>52636125
FUCK THESE PIECES OF SHIT! They had ONE FUCKING JOB, ONE FUCKING JOB!!!

They couldnt even get the voice actors right.

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I LIKE!
This part of game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25wYPsJ7Kds&ab_channel=IGN

Ork theme. WAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHH!

>>52635986

This.. to be frank, whey they announced DoW 3 and at first talked about how they would bring back the glory of DoW 1, but still ad in the heroes, I literally creamed my pants I was so exited! Now thou, not so much...

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>>52600945
I bet this won't be explained at all because it's clearly meant to be more stylistic than realistic.

See: twiggy leg spess marines on his sides.

Making important things HUEG is RTS 101. At least for MOBA shitheap ones.The dangerous ones are when the dangerous things are hidden among bigger threats

>>52635885
They should have mutated flawed geneseed with flesh change, if they were TS Ahriman wouldn't seek cure for 10k years and just seize magpies.

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>>52636326
Why hasnt it occurred to absolutely NO ONE! about the possible solutions.
The flesh change was being induced by Tzeench's Gaze who happened to be on the main legion and on Magnus.

The rubric of Arhiman worked! it took away the fleshchange but screwed the legionaries that where on the planet of the sorcerers.

>>52636326
>implying magpies not being changed wasn't part of Big T's plans

>>52635832
He made Red Tithe (about the Cachardons), hates Tau and does AoS related stuff.
https://robbiemacniven.wordpress.com

>>52636647
>Hates tau

Well he is fine by me

>>52634578
>I would have been ok with the graphics if they hadn't removed what made the DoW series for me personally, the animated kills!
>This was what tabled the DoW and set it apart from different games when it first hit the grid

THIS is exactly what I mean when I say they removed a lot of the game's souls. DoW3 feels so sterile visually

>>52623947
they will never make a game this good again, get over it. this isn't the 00's no more folks

>>52636647
>carcharodons...
>Space Shark not sci-fi enough so now we look like fucking normies to the scientific community.

hmmm I think BL can go fuck itself this time.

>>52613254
>get a russ
How? Most matches are over by tier 2 rolls around

>>52637099

Name change started with Forge World

>>52635986
More or less this, but for Dow 2 for me

>>52635606
Kek

This just came up.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q6u9yst-2cc

>>52637604
exactly, because some fat sociopath faggot that wanted to be more pretentious and cool on an already cheesy setting.

>>52638002

>the inquisitor was not please

Are they ever?

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>>52636647
He also did the War on Fenris novels IIRC. His Red Tithe novel is great for Carcharodons fluff, expanding on them while staying completely into established fluff, it made me start an army actually. I had ir in mind for a while but the novel convinced me.

>>52638002
All I can say is meh. It ain't bad, but it doesn't make my peepee hard like the DoW or the DoW 2 intro. Hoepfully that is not the actual game intro, rather the campaign intro.

You can feel everyone in the studio was replaced...

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>>52638193

The game's intro is the announcement trailer with the happy marine.

>>52638193

>You can feel everyone in the studio was replaced...

Philippe Boule was one of the designers of Dark Crusade.

>>52638239
Ah that's all right then.

>>52638269
Every head of dpts, my bad. The art firector not being the same is the most obvious.

I mean as long as it gets better with expansions, I don't mind TOO much if it has a rocky start.

>>52638193
>while staying completely into established fluff

Whoever painted that Carcharodon termie is going to have to redo it. Red Tithe establishes the fact that their termies are all white armour.

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>>52638002

>Inquisitor Holt
>I thought she said Commissar Holt

FUCK

>>52639492

He got promoted.

>>52639530
They really are desperate if they're pulling out that bit of fanservice.

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So we are never gonna see them again are we?

If they are not even bringing the other Blood Raven characters why would they waste their time with shitty humans?

>>52639553

I'm sure they will be gifted to the Blood ravens in some way or another in one of the expansions.

>>52639553

God Castors mustache is pure sex

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>>52639553

>Diomedes is back
>he didn't bring Castor back with him

>>52639553

Commissar was a mute and fuck the Inquisitor but Castor and Merrick were good brothers

>>52597417
At least is not Eternal Crusade

>>52600568
>READ IT BECAUSE It's a novelisation of the story from the newest instalment in the Dawn of War computer game series!

That's the shittiest pitch I've ever seen.

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>Jain Zar is an elite for the Eldar
>she is an early game elite
>she is shit and weaker than Ronan
>in the future they'll probably add Robot Girlyman

>>52638030
Space Shark is the Nickname, Carcharadons the original High Gothic. Get over it.
Also, please don't pretend like 40k is inherently ridiculous.

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>>52597417
>Whats the verdict of this /tg/?

>>52636125
>Sergeant Ironmaw.

Something smells orky here.

>>52641032
He is actually a Space Wolf.
>Reminder that despite the Wolves and the Blood Ravens hating each other, Cyrus became a Bro 4 Life with one of the yiffs in the Deathwatch.

>>52638002
>the new voice actor for gabriel

Pure fucking shit...

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>>52641032
>>52641111


More like smells yiffy am i rite

>>52641514

what the fuck those aren't even deathwatch bolters

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>>52642507

They get cooler looking bolters if you level them up.

>>52641514
>>52642507
>>52642572

>They arent even combi weapons

>>52643052

Look man, the Inquisition couldn't afford to gift the blood ravens a deathwatch squad and all their gear.

>>52641514

So a Space Wolf,Blood Angel,Dark Angel, and whats that marine in the back?

>>52643106

Crimson fist.

>>52643133

Nah I forgot the crimson fist the other marine in the back

Looks kinda like a Raptor

>>52642572
>Weirdboy becomes Baron Samedi

I lol'd

>>52643145

Don't remember and i don't have a picture.

>>52643145
>Raptor
nah probably salamanders just dumb lighting or poor choice in colors

>>52610839
Guys, don't get mad at me for this... but I think Gabriel Angelos might be tainted by the warp.

Or an Ork in fleshtone bodypaint.

>>52636125
>Inquisitor Holt

Did Der Commisar get recruited?

>>52639066
Wait really? Shit, must have misunderstood that part on the Red Brethren.

>>52638269
literally only like 3 people of the original team remain and they couldnt achieve shit.

>>52639066
>Red Tithe establishes the fact that their termies are all white armour.
Well I disagree, that fagg can go fuck itself.

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Lads...

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As an Astartes geneseed matures throughout the ages, so does it enhance the size and strength of its superhuman host. This is the only logical explanation for why Gabe Mk2 is absolutely fuckhuge.

>>52644552
Seriously, though.

Does Gabe have a transport capacity now that he's the size of a fucking Rhino?

>>52644973
Metal Bahwxes!!!!

>>52617009
WOW YOU CALLED HIM A SHILL THAT TOTALLY DESTROYED HIS LAMO POINTS MY DUDE

>>52610205
The problem is with the gaming industry in general, too many managers out to make a "quick buck", too many people squeezing down on the artistic side of things.

Don't buy shit games and it should sort itself out, also, DON'T PRE-ORDER ANYTHING.

>>52645430
>too many managers out to make a "quick buck", too many people squeezing down on the artistic side of things.

Not for nothing but, this game looks like it was pretty damn expensive to make for an RTS. It does not come across as "quick buck" material to me.

>DON'T PRE-ORDER ANYTHING.

But I only buy games I'll already like to begin with, I risk nothing by pre-ordering them.

>>52607578
and how the fuck would that work? You'd spend a full day playing one round.

Game looks great to me.
Graphics don't bother me in the slightest (at least I'll be able to run the game on a laptop), gameplay is great, I especially like the faction mechanics and hope to see what they'll be able to do with Chaos and IG buildable bunkers and trenches plz. On the lore-side, the only negatives are Gabe related, which is a bit of a shame but we'll see if they try and explain this. The army customization (with elites and doctrines) is a good idea too in my opinion, makes the game a lot more like TT and allows people to make theie own 'subfactions'.
I want the game to succeed because I'm sold on it for now, but I'd like expansions with new factions as well, and I know they won't be able to make those if the game doesn't sell. So here's hoping the memers LOL game is MOBA and bad communication don't impact sales too much.

>>52645638
I should have been clearer with the artistic side of things and how they were bringing that in line with other titles which were a big succes.

Sure the production values might be high, doesn't take away the fact that the atmosphere created and artistic direction are shit.

>>52636155
at least there is brian dobson somewhere

>>52644552
he is made of steel, in retribution he lost both legs and 1 arm i think

>>52639066
I just checke, the book does say at some point the Red Brethren have blood red faceplates and "off-white" armor, which can be considered as light grey I presume.

Shit, I was kinda happy with that Termie. I used FW pics for reference, and so does everyone else, as far as I could tell furing my research.

>>52645749
>Building fuckloads of bunkers and tank traps in DoW2 then charging withscores of Krieg guardsmen
No better feeling.
Alternatively, the Apocalyse mod for DoW1 was great for mass conscripts as well.

>>52645819
subjective mate

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>No weapons teams for eldar
>No bunkers/turrets that can be player built other than WAAGH banners
>No expansions for bases that need to be taken other than resource points that you slap a listening post on


the "basebuilding is back!" meme needs to fucking die. It just looks like COH1/2's simple techup system with "elite points" replacing doctrine points needed to unlock stuff further up in your doctrine.

I don't know who thought it'd be a good idea to make the game based around call-in cancer like COH2 was/is plagued by to this day. Especially since this game looks so goddamn boring with gigantic lulls in combat to turtle for your elite call-ins. The population cap is 250 but I haven't seen a single video from the beta where the caps got above 100 because of how quickly units can be wiped by elites.

>>52646119
That much is true.

However I do believe that most of us are put off by the new art because marines are so lanky.

Pretty much every vidya/animated depiction, especially DoW, makes them buff, huge guys, and suddenly Marines skiped leg days while Angelos is the size of a Dreadnought. A middle ground could have been found maybe?

I really like the more "boney" aspect of the Eldars though, you can see that their stuff is made from wraithBONE, and not super smooth plastic.

I'm talking about the cinematics of course, the game itself is just...weird. There's no weight behind it. You don't get that OOMPH when assault marines hit the ground, or when Solaria does.
Tacticals hoping about makes them look weightless as well. DoW2 had marines a bit too slow for my liking, but at least the animations felt right.

>>52597417
The entire reason im excited for dawn of war 3 is because it means new models for tabletop simulator

>>52600594
>.....Chaos. What the fuck else would it be?
Meh-crons.

>>52597417
>angelos being as big as a primarch
>jumping and doing spinning shit while in terminator armor
>Indomitus terminators with Cataphractii posture
>what's that Mad Dread crap? tunneling deff dread, is there such a thing in table top?

CS Goto level of shit

>>52645697
i don't see an issue with that

>>52646611
>tunneling deff dread
Ork players would love to have deep striking deff dreads.

NEW TRAILER YOU FUCKING GROTZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mZUgmZNDVU

>>52600568
Bad reviews.

>>52645749
>Graphics don't bother me in the slightest (at least I'll be able to run the game on a laptop)

That's unfortunately wrong my friend. Artstyle and graphics does not play in game's performance favor (though it stil has resonable requirements) - it has lots of particle effects and is generally pretty flashy.

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>>52599814
He got fucked in Retribution. So maybe he's got some special terminator armor cyborg body.

Or maybe they just don't care, which isn't unusual for 40k proportions.

>DoW2
>Leman Russ/Baneblades are trash
>Not just meltavet rushing
shiggy

>be Biel-Tan
>send a strike force in some backwater shithole
>get your craftworld raped

Poor Macha, even if she wins/survive DOW3, Biel-Tan's fucked in the ass if she returns.

>>52647255
Even that part they didn't keep. He was pictured like Calgar, only the right eye in cybernetics instead of the left, but same problems with the legs and one arm.
And now he doesn't even look like the old Angelos, nor has he a cyber eye.

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>>52645914

Red Tithe is still relatively new so many 'Space Shark' players haven't had time to digest it yet. Just go with what you like. It might be one of those details that is forgotten next time FW covers them. Then again it might not

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>>52647693
And they changed the voice actor.

>>52648082

>gorgutz, macha and and angelos back!
>none of the original voice actors back

whats even the fucking point? fuck video game companies they are notorious for this

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>Chaplain Diomedes

>>52648834
Kinda looks like a shop.

Awesome if true though.

>>52648894

It's not shopped, it's from the codex(the ingame wiki) in the closed beta.

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>>52649023
Noice.

>>52648217
VA strike.

Some news bits from an interview about design choices

https://www.dawnofwar.com/article/wayward-strategist-legacy-of-war

He also mentioned that they’d taken some lessons from Company of Heroes 2 “The other big change was moving away from Victory Points in match play.” This one pricked my ears up, as I am in general a pretty big advocate for Victory Point-based systems in RTS design. “This was an interesting mode” he said “but… it wasn’t about blowing ++heresy redacted++ up. And Dawn of War is about blowing ++heresy redacted++ up. Victory Points created this premium of building up around the point to create an unbeatable wall, and we wanted to… encourage an aggressive situation that had an explosion at the end.”

“We made the decision to do away with base building in Dawn of War II, principally out of a desire to double down on the focus on units, on the front line. In retrospect, we felt it took away more in depth than it added in simplicity.” Phil noted that the lack of production queues, in particular, became a defining aspect of Dawn of War II, and Relic really wanted to recapture some of that feeling from Dawn of War I. They wanted to return to a less linear pacing system, and wanted to add in more opportunities for harassment.

Phil also talked about units. “Units in Dawn of War II are not disposable in the least. Map control is less important in terms of resource points, et cetera. It was a lot more about keeping units alive. The whole dynamic became about the scarcity of units.” Ultimately, said Boulle, that dynamic was one they wanted to move away from. “Unit control has its role, but the loss of a couple of squads isn’t going to cripple you in the long term – we wanted you to be able to come back. In the early prototypes, this was pushed further. We had to come back from that. Units were too disposable and too easy to replace. It was an iterative process, getting to where we ended up.”

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>>52635808

>Battleworn
>Given the armaments worthy of a Chapter Master
>And hardened enough from his experience he has the gumption to do things others do not

>"man fuck this company"

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>>52644493

>>52644493

not seeing what's the problem here besides blue bolters

>>52647054

They better not be the games cinematic intro

>>52648834

So thats what he fucking meant by "I can no longer serve the chapter as I used to"

He became a fucking Chaplain?

>>52649261
A VA strike happened?!

>>52648217
I sort of want to remark this on Relic's face, this super pisses me off big fucking time.

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>>52639492
>>52639530
>>52638002

Inquisitor Hoth:-Quote :That man is beset at all quarters by traitors, mutants and fiends is self-evident. But in truth none of these evils shall be our undoing.
When the end comes it will be not at the hand of any mortal being of this or any other realm: death will come at the hands of the ancients, those who determined our fate aeons before we stood erect upon the holy ground of Terra and gazed up into the starry night.

Second Book of Admonitions
Codex: Necrons (3rd Edition), p. 66

>>52650588

oh fuck this just confirms Necrons

>>52650344
>A VA strike happened?!
Being going on for a while alreary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_video_game_voice_actor_strike
That's the reason why a lot of recent game had subpar english voice acting.

>>52639727
>>52617101
Is that bad?

>>52650739
It's slowly getting better but the game is running worse with each update and ultimately, Space Marine is still the better game unless you really want to play with a lot of people.

>>52650739
Is a buggy af and unbalanced af pay 2 win game that only relies on "hey dudes, 30 vs 30"

>>52645638
If they already have your money, why excel? Why make a good game? Now this may be alleviated due to not being an idiot, but normies.

>>52638002

ABSOLUTELY BASED Gabe giving the finger to Inquisitionfags now and forever.

I can already tell the Inquisitor is hiding CHAOS involvement and is probably tainted to boot.

>>52650344
>A VA strike happened?!
Yeah, I forget what a lot of the gaming VAs who were participating in this have been calling it, but the gist of the strike was "we're not getting paid enough to voice these games! Publishers, pay us more! The gamers and devs will back us!"

To which the majority of gamers responded with: "lolwut? You guys usually get paid more than the devs as it is. Fuck off with your 'pay me more!' nonsense!" Most devs who heard about this had a similar response.

That all started sometime back in 2016 (kicked off in August maybe? I wasn't paying too much attention at the time).

>>52638002
>Those marine's models
eeeeeeewwwwwwwwww

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Gabriel looks really warhammery now, he used to look clean and almost handsome, now he is all fucked up and shit. I like it.

>>52651007
>Shit Gabriel, get yourself a damned optical implant already
>Fuck

>>52650920
I had no idea about this, I guess they wherent too vocal about it.
Had they been then I suppose things would had been better? In Any case, fucking Relic WILL feel the rejection of their target audience, fuck Relic.

>>52651190
he had one, but new art director thinks he is fucking Jess Godwyn.

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>>52648011
I'll keep on painting then. On that note, another Void Brother is now complete. I'm (very) slowly getting the hang of Polynesian Tatoos.

>>52607608
For you

>>52651487

you got a blog or deviantart or twitter or tumblr where I can follow your progress?

>>52600807
Pic related is really badly painted though, Night Lords have the hardest scheme to pull off and the Forge World painters barely manage it.

>>52651381
iirc, they were being extremely vocal about it on Twitter for awhile. Hashtag and everything.

Thing is Twitter's been muckin' about with its site so damn much the tag never took off. But more likely the VAs just didn't get a lot of support because people are more sympathetic towards actual game devs because they get the shit end of the stick compared to VAs, who don't really do much in terms of work on the game itself.

>>52651570
Why thank you anon, you honour me.
No blog for this humble painter, but I do post in the /wip/ threads.

>>52651487
look dude just paint them however you feel like. Dont let some fucking hack writter or some fat neckbeard dictate how your army has to look.

>>52651609
>vocal about it on Twitter for awhile.
oh, no wonder why I had no clue about it.
I dont do twitter.

>>52651609
>But more likely the VAs just didn't get a lot of support because people are more sympathetic towards actual game devs because they get the shit end of the stick compared to VAs, who don't really do much in terms of work on the game itself.

It's true. Some of these devs work in third world working conditions and not allowed to see their families. Pretty dire stuff.

>>52644552
>Gabriel "I must grow Larger" Angelos

I really don't know how to feel about this
also I think I saw Guardsmen getting bombed by Squig suiciders in the trailers. so DLC Guardsmen confirmed I guess

>>52652889

The Imperial Guard have always been present in DoW games before they were playable, they were in DoW 1 and in DoW 2 and Chaos Rising as NPCs.

>>52652905
that's what I mean, if there wasn't any Guardsmen
they probably won't appear any soonish as DLC

>>52650819
>If they already have your money, why excel?

Well they're only already getting my money if they're making something I want.

>>52647155
>it has lots of particle effects and is generally pretty flashy.
Let's be honest, do you NEED ambient occlusion turned on?

>>52651381

It was big for like a month then everyone forgot about it.

>>52651553
If you take that helmet off, will you die?