/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls General

>>52584805
>[Scrollhammer - Tabletop Wargame] http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Scrollhammer_2nd_Edition
Just updated. Some spells were adjusted and the Dwemer army ambiguity was fixed.

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Other than Gortwog, are there any politician Orcs who have people and social skills and not just "OOKA BOOKA SMASH" skills?

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>>52585333
Gortwog is special.

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>>52584978
>Dwemer army ambiguity was fixed
That's a quick delivery.

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>>52585333
>Gortwog
Who?

>>52586020
Founder of Orsinium during the Third Era, important member of the conflict of the Warp in the West, great diplomat even as an Orc, and he managed to convince the Empire to give rights to Orcs and treat them as citizens.

>>52585333
Well there's the smiths. But no, no significant orc socialites. Though Lord Rugdumph does try.

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>>52586120
>he managed to convince the Empire to give rights to Orcs and treat them as citizens.
So him is to be blamed for that...

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>>52584805
Would you drink Guar Milk, anons?

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>>52586538
>"[Guar Milk is] mucus that they slather their fresh eggs in to keep the shells moist against the incredibly hydroscopic ash and bitter salts of Morrowind. The mucous is fairly rancid when first disgorged but it "ripens" over the incubation period of the eggs and serves as a source of nutrients for the little guarlings upon hatching. Also a popular dressing among Hlaalu, especially, as a sweet, sticky dressing for pastries like whickwheat cakes."

>>52586020
The only person who had both the means and the ability to save the Orcs from themselves.

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>>52586566
Thanks, anon.
I had to look up the definition of hydroscopic for that one, which leads me to ask the following:
How humid is Vvardenfell? You'd think the swamps are fairly humid, and might be because of the hills separating most of the Ashlands from the Bitter Coast and West Gash; however, out around Lake Marandus the Ashlands are present in full force.
I think the BC is humid, but not Florida-humid; think midwest summer humid for most of the shores in summer, while the Ashlands are traditional dry heat. I would speculate further that Sheogorad is a dry cold, as it never gets snow but can be exposed to ash blowing across the sea. I wonder if there are ever large floating bodies of ash in the waters at times?

What's Elsweyr like?

>>52586796
Smells of caramel and cat urine.

>>52584868
Holy Vehk

>>52586796
Scorching deserts, dense jungles, cats everywhere. Tends to be ruled by a divine hairball.
Anything in particular you're wondering about?

>>52586923
Mostly the structure of cities and settlements. Where do the catmen live? What do they eat?

>>52587033

the cities of elsweyr are said to be made of large wooden pylons in strange shapes coated in ornate carpet so the khajiit may cling to them with their claws and climb about

>>52587033
>typing on a phone
Kill me. I'll answer in more detail when I get off this train.

Most catdudes live in cities, the most important ones being Torval, Senchal and Rimmen. Architecture varies, and we don't know too much about it, but the Mane's palace is built of lumber, and has large sugarcane gardens. So Torval, which is where the Mane lives, is likely more traditionally Pelletinian in style.
Senchal has been everything from squalid and filled with slums to a more attractive city with a great number of expensive mansions. The Akaviri Potentate had a palace there, so there would be some Akaviri influence, though the city is cosmopolitan.
Rimmen is a city of ivory stone, canals and domes, in a markedly Akaviri style. Holds the massive Tonenaka shrine, with ten thousand statues.
A more traditional Anaquinan city might be something like Dune, but we don't know for sure.

Then there's the rural population. Particularly in the south, Khajiit are agricultural and work the fertile soil. The areas that can produce moonsugar are especially important.
Nomadic tribes are also found, and can at times be powerful. These are particularly widespread in central and northern Elsweyr. Elsweyr has a lot of internal trade, but little shipping, so many also live as caravaneers.

The balance between north and south, as well as between city and rural, is politically and religiously (no real difference for the Khajiit) important.

Universally Khajiit live in large family-clan or family-tribe units, like small communes. This is necessary because of their many shapes, and for example raising children is a communal responsibility.

Khajiiti food is varied in the sense that there's no dietary restrictions, but it is almost uniformly sweet. Much sweeter than other races prefer. It varies from just straight up cakes to sweetmeats. Which might be actual meat.

>>52587577
Ok, now I want to play a game set in Elsweyr. Too bad most if that would be left out.

why are Bretons so good at being merchants, /tgesg/?

>>52589050
Why do you think they are so?

Has anyone run a game of elder scrolls unofficial? What kind of scenario did you do and how'd it turn out?

>>52589556
I ran a game, my friends shitty dark elf wizard derailed the entire thing, and eveyone else went along with it. he casted icarian flight, not knowing he would take fall damage and died in the process of jumping over a gap

>>52590640
ha just like in actual morrowind.

>>52589527
My guess would be the constant rivalries vying for trade along an influential coastal region helps support cut throat and shrewd business acumen

>>52590656
Dagoth Ur did nothing wrong

Is there an official crown or headpiece the emperors wore? Or was it just the Amulet of Kings?

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Give me life expectancies! For man and mer!

>>52590708
In Oblivion, Baurus mantions "Red Dragon Crown" (but that's just jewelry).

>>52590680
t. The Devil of Dagoth

>>52590737
I've noticed in both Oblivion and Skyrim that there are a lot of dunmer/imperial and dunmer/nord couples. What makes dunmer spouses so common?

>>52587577
Moonsugar can be grown agriculturally?

>>52591122
>What makes dunmer spouses so common?
Its against their religion to be afraid of doing something new.

>>52589556
I ran a little thing in True20 that didn't last. It was pretty much drailed from the get go. The players decided to all play fucking Kahjiit. It was slated to be a little globe-trekk-y, eventually getting to Yokuda for plot reasons, but I never got that far. Between Life getting in the way and LITERALLY FUCKING CATS it was pretty doomed...

>>52591122
They are promiscuous when they are young.

>>52589556
I'm running one weekly that is loose with the plot structure and honestly I don't think it's going well. The players don't seem to have any drive to explore like it's an elder scrolls game.

>>52591538
>all khajiit party
That sounds fucking great.

>>52585333
Urag gro-Shub I'd say, but he seems to be more, "ooka booka I make atronach smash you" instead of super smart and politics.

The Gourmet I think. Enough to win a High Rock Bretons respect and admiration.

Aside from that most seem brutish and uncouth.

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>>52586566
damn, I love how creative Bethesda was with Morrowind's foodstuffs

>>52592927

How the hell can an orc cook better than a Breton?

>>52593238
He intimidates the ingredients into arranging themselves into something tastier than what he can normally make?

Like Krod intimidating the wood.

>>52591602
Help lead them in the right direction if they seem lost

>>52591122
Dunmer women are known sluts.

She might be married to the Nord farmer but in reality she's getting banged by the Wood elf stable boy, the Orc blacksmith, the Red guard merchant, the local Imperial officer, the Breton court mage, the Thalmor agent and just maybe even the pair of Khajeet&Argonian thieves.

>>52593368
That one Dunmer in the Thieves Guild, Karliah, think she was banging the entire guild behind her lover's back?

>>52593473
SHE IS A WOOD ELF YOU DUMBAS!

>>52593490
She's dunmer. She's also ugly as sin.

>>52593608
They all have 5heads.

>>52593238
Because Orc's are actually a lot better than Bretons
Bretons are really the human equivalent of Mer, with their snobbishness

Is there anything really known about House Sadras and their customs?
Or is still that all that is known is that they usurped House Hlaalu's position after Hlaalu got fucked

>>52593173
That's not Bethesda.

>>52594162
That's all.

My favourite idea is that it's just another Ra'athim front, or a resurgent House Mora, but that's way too cool to actually be the case.

>>52585962
I check a bunch of archive terms every day and the update has been ready for months, otherwise.

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>>52592608
It sounds really fun.

Here's how I'd pitch a all-Khajiit or majority-Khajiit campaign:

>His name is Ri'Sava-Dar, but the Imperials know him as the Crimson Cat.
>Some of you remember catching glimpses of him, his auburn hair caked in blood, before his thugs chased you into the desert. The day he killed your Clan Mother for her Secrets. The day he slaughtered your Clan.
>It's been two years since you ran, since you escaped. But time does not heal all wounds.
>Ri'Sava-Dar is a faithless crimelord, an affront towards Gods and Clan, and you've finally confirmed that he's relocated to the Imperial City.
>To find him, you will have to deal with his criminal empire, be it as virtuous heroes, or by beating him at his own game. He has wealth, connections and muscle, but you have hateful cleverness.
>Most of you will be kin of some sort, scarred by what he did to your Clan. Others may be adopted family, associates, or even non-Khajiit with a grudge. It does not matter, you're all brothers in arms now.
>As the ship reaches quay in the Imperial City, you're all united under a single set of goals.
>Whatever the means, whatever the cost, the Crimson Cat must die, his name must be tarnished, and his empire must be conquered or destroyed.

>TL;DR: The players are a group of vengeful Khajiit hunting though the Khajiiti-Imperial underworld. Depending on how the party acts, they can try to be vigilantes or become ruthless criminals themselves, likely walking the line.

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>>52595082

>>52596372
Jew Balls

>>52594123
Does Berserker Rage make them good in bed?

>>52597704
>Drain Attribute: Agility 100 pts for 60 sec
They'd put their penis everywhere except where it should go.

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been working on a thing for Morrowind

does anyone happen to know anything more on the Ingenium? not a lot of shit to go off of other than what's in Infernal City

>>52597864
>Fortify Attack
Nope, it goes where it should.

If we go by Skyrim, they also take half pleasure but give twice as much.

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Do you think there's a reason why Numidium is named that? Numidia was an irl North African country of the Berbers around when the Roman Empire was still kicking. You think there might be any significance in that or it just sounded cool to a dev?

Speaking of Numidium, why the fuck does the Totem of Tiber Septim look like this??

>>52584805
If Dagoth Ur had been destroyed at Red Mountain and the heart freed from his darkness, the Tribunal would be the best worship system. Prove me wrong.

>But Sotha Sil said to her, "The old gods are cruel and arbitrary, and distant from the hopes and fears of mer. Your age is past. We are the new gods, born of the flesh, and wise and caring of the needs of our people. Spare us your threats and chiding, inconstant spirit. We are bold and fresh, and will not fear you."

>And the new world we shaped was glorious and generous, and the worship of the Dunmer fervent and grateful. The Dunmer were at first afraid of their new faces, but Sotha Sil spoke to them, saying that it was not a curse but a blessing, a sign of their changed natures, and sign of the special favor they might enjoy as New Mer, no longer barbarians trembling before ghosts and sperits, but civilized mer, speaking directly to their immortal friends and patrons, the three faces of the Tribunal. And we were all inspired by Sotha Sil's speech and vision, and took heart. And over time, we crafted the customs and institutions of a just and honorable society, and the land of Resdayn knew millennia of peace, equity, and prosperity unknown to other savage races.

What do yall this are the most iconic swords of Tamriel? Which is your fave and why do you love it? Same for any staves in TES

>>52600216
Always been a fan of the Bloodskaal Blade despite how underwhelming it was in the game. I dunno why, but I guess I just like greatswords that shoot beams in general (i.e. Ragnell).

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>>52600229
that one is pretty neat. I really like Chrysamere. Cool name, cool reputation, my kinda claymore

>>52600158
If The Tribunal had been destroyed at Red Mountain and the heart freed from their darkness, Dagoth Ur would be the best worship system. Prove me wrong.

>>52600118
Looks like some cocoon, where does that appear?

Also, I wish they gave more importance to the Talos Cult in Morrowind, maybe not yet another religious questline, but still.

>>52600375
It was in Daggerfall. Pretty much the remote control for Numidium only royalty or spiritually powerful people can wield

Someone give me a thorough rundown of tonal architecture, I wanna steal it for a Mage game I'm joining

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>>52600419
I'll play Daggerfall when Daggerfall Unity gets finished...

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>>52595082
Give me more

>>52600479
fuck off anime

>>52600366
>my dick is now a tentacle riddled with eyes and suckers
I can't

>>52600705
Enjoy the Divine Blessing

Are Bretons the most civilized of the races of man?

Not so fast Imperials.

>>52600818
Considering they regularly go on an autistic tard rage against orcs, no.

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>>52594194
What's it from then?

>>52594162
yeah, my guess is that they kinda fulfill the same niche that Hlaalu did; trading and artisanry

About the Kamal, I remember having read somewhere that Kamal survivors found themselves in Elsweyr? Anyone wanna help with that? Would seem really interesting that a bunch of snow demons would chill with cats in the desert.

>>52600452
good luck waiting 5-10 years

>>52596372
Great, now we've got bara Numidium

>>52601910
NO
NO
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
NOW THEY'LL COME HERE AND THEY'LL FUCK US ALL

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>>52601945
It's too late, Numidium has already come to lift weights and fuck your dad.

>>52601989
But Numidium IS my dad
Oh no
Dad broke his spine he's
He's trying to fuck himself

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>>52601989
How do I Dust Adept in UESRPG?

>>52602125
Didn't mean to reply.

>>52602133
Too late, Numidium fucks your dad now.

>>52601249
Just a writeup from a certain Morrowind modder.

>>52602125
I don't think it's in the corebook, so you're probably going to have to wait for the updated version of the Arcane Arts supplement.

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Besides from being an ancient Akaviri relic, was there anything special about the Draconian Madstone? To me, it kinda looks like it's made out of dragon scales. Wonder why it's called a "madstone"

Also, if this was dropped thousands of years ago by a member of an invading army that died in a tunnel between mountains, how did a Nibenese countess know about it? How could anyone have?

>>52604118
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Madstone_of_the_Ahemmusa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madstone_%28folklore%29

>>52604118
>How could anyone have?
Magic. Clairvoyance.

>>52601858
>Though ostensibly its own kingdom, Rimmen still pays tribute to the Mane of Elsweyr, from whose realm it seceded in CE812 during the Interregnum. Earlier, Akaviri refugees had fled persecution when the warlord Attrebus briefly aspired to the Imperial Throne. Attrebus, though he lasted no longer than most of the pretender kings of that period, thought he might rid Cyrodiil of the foreigners who had ruled it for the first half of the Common Era, and he drove the Akaviris past the Empire's borders into Elsweyr. The khajiit granted them asylum in the hills and steppes of northwestern Elsweyr, where they dwelt in relative seclusion until remnants of the Dir-Kamal resurfaced in Cyrodiil, seizing the Throne from Attrebus' successors. The Rimmen (literally, the "Rim Men," as the khajiit called them) joined their brothers to try to rebuild the Empire. This effort was doomed to failure, but not before the khajiit attempted to reclaim their lands in a series of bloody border wars. Currently, since the ascension of Tiber Septim, the hapless Rimmen have once again submitted to the protection of the Mane, with a renewed tribute paying for the Cat Lord's guarantee of their independence, a truly weak reed upon which to lean.

>>52604355
And with the kitty cat dead, I assume they're fucked right? Didn't the Thalmor kill the Mane?

>>52604517
That excerpt was written in the Second Era. Rimmen is and has been a Khajiiti city for centuries by the Fourth Era, which is when the Mane is assassinated.
Though Rimmen still has a history of independence, seceding from Elsweyr again in the years after the Oblivion Crisis. It's probably part of Anequina now, as Elsweyr has been completely dissolved.

>>52600818
I always thought so.

>>52600158
Vivec admits that even WITH Dagoth Ur's drain on his powers making them closer to mortal they had already started to lose their sense of connection to their subjects and were becoming "inconstant spirits" in their own right.

>>52602125
What IS a Dust adept? I just know they're Telvani and have a special helmet (Which is actually the worst of the Telvani helmets stat-wise.)

>>52589045
ESO

>>52591515
I mean yes,. Daring and defiance are bit parts of Tribunal/New Temple teachings but the Dunmer are also pretty socially conservative on various things. Like clinging to outmodded forms of labor like Slavery.

>>52605161
Ash Magic and such. The Dunmer equivalent of kids who play in the sand, but never grew up

>>52605382
So maybe a form of alteration with possible destruction and conjuration elements?

>The Dunmer equivalent of kids who play in the sand, but never grew up
and now I have a new favorite class

>>52605568
The schools of magic, and the circarnate spells placed within them, aren't really absolutes like that. It's just methods of classifications.

>>52605297
It's got the area around Dune and that's about it. It's kind of funny how the argonians always bitch about their lack of content when the khajiit don't even get a full area.

>>52601072
How is that a bad thing?

>>52601072
It's the other way around, thank goodness they're always there to put the shit-mer down.

Threadly reminder that orcs aren't fully sentient beings, little more than goblins

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>>52606220

I really like the extra horns that Skyrim Orcs get.

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can somebody told me about some thing about this island in topal bay

>>52606049
Considering they serve the Empire, that's a bad thing.

>>52606070
Gortwog won Orsinium fair and square by Breton laws and there is no evidence they raided or destroyed other lands (after the Numidium fuckery) and they had an alliance with Wayrest. As soon as the Empire was destabilized to be unable to intervene the Bretons and Redguards attacked the city like the turbo autists they were.

>>52606535
>muh Gortwog
Shut up dum-dum, you'd have to be retarded to think letting a Trinimac cultist off easy would have been a good idea.

>>52606478
And I repeat, What is this Tamriel the Antrena?

>>52606559
>Shut up dum-dum, you'd have to be retarded to think letting a Trinimac cultist off easy would have been a good idea.
Dunmer worship fucking Daedra and they're part of the Empire, nothing wrong with some Trinimac love.

>>52606603
Daedra are not equal, everyone knows this. There's a REASON Boethiah had to devour Trinimac and turn orcs into the literal walking turds that they are.

>>52606577
what is Tamriel The Antrena?

>>52606635
A really forced play on words

>>52606668
:)

>>52606535
>Orcs raid and disregard laws for millennia
>Bretons and Redguards keep then down
>Gortwog turns things around, lawfully wins Orsinium and follows correct diplomatic and political methods
>Bretons and Redguards chimp out
Enantiomorph in action.

>>52584868
Link to uncensored and artist?

>>52585962
What concept art is that?

>>52606618
What, cause Trinimac didn't like Lorkhan?

Cause Lorkhan was an enemy of the elves, and guess what? Trinimac's worshippers are elves. Wow, someone doesn't like the person who is an enemy of his followers. Go figure.

>>52606739
Adam's Skyrim art.

>>52600118
If I recall correctly Nunmidium's correct name is Anumidium and it's supposed to mean Anu Midi interface. You know TES universe is a song dreamed by Anu.

>>52606943
A New Medium.

>>52584868
Sauce?

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>>52606991

>>52600451
To be honest no-one knows what it was actually like, but it's assumed to be manipulation of reality (which is song) by using specific tones. Basically it is more evolved and advanced form of Thu'um.

>>52606716
Artist's name is in the picture.

>>52604144
I'm pretty sure I have seen that eye in Madstone of Ahemmusa somewhere else. First thought I it was Nausicaa manga, but I checked and it was more like standard Eye of Providence. Still pretty sure that symbol is homage to something.

>>52606478
>>52606577
>>52606635
>>52606668
It's a forced play on words, but Jesus FUCK man that image is tiny.

>>52606991
Video killed the radio star. Now you know what those coherers and antennas were about.

>>52606943
>>52606991
Yah but that stuff was put in retroactively by MK and such

>>52607439
Might be or might be not. We don't really know if MK invented it for C0DA or was it from Morrowind design/lore documents which MK (or possibly someone else even) wrote for Bethesda.

This reminds me that it would be extremely awesome to see Morrowind's and Redguard's design documents, but I suppose they reveal too many secrets that Beth has planned for future games.

>>52607439
Yes, and?

On its original inception it just seems to have been another meaningless fantasy term meant to sound cool.

>>52607558
I bet MIDI interface thing was the original meaning given Tonal Architecture, mention of Anu and it's original purpose to be some sort Amaranth machine instead of pure unmaker of things it was in C0DA.

>>52607726
>I bet MIDI interface thing was the original meaning

>>52606362
>I really like the extra horns that Skyrim Orcs get.
I did not like that they got no passive racial.

Also did anyone notice the Skyrim Orc concept art had them with horns on the side of their jaws? That might have been neat.

>>52607804
True, lack of passives is a pain, especially since to avoid controversy they don't have different base stats anymore.

>>52607726
Keeping in mind that Numidium was introduced in Daggerfall, back before dwarves were elves and khajiit were single phase catboys/girls.

>>52607856
Anu existed already back then and so did lore behind universe being a song, so I wouldn't be that surprised.

>>52605568
The description of them in the lore mentions them being an alteration focused school of thought

>>52607128
>Dunmerfags will STILL try to deny that dark elf women are sluts despite it being canon

>>52607856
Reminder that pre-Morrowind lore doesn't count for shit

>>52609866
But we're talking about the originally intended name meaning.

>>52606740
>Wow, someone doesn't like the person who is an enemy of his followers. Go figure.
Correct, therefore it is completely fair for the Redguards and Bretons not to like Gortwog, and they were more than justified in putting the orc fucking shits back in their place.

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Orcjiit

>>52606559
>>52606603
>>52606618
>>52606740
>>52609961
See, at least the Big Three Daedra aren't out to end the world. Worshipers of Auri-El and Trinimac are as bad as the Mythic Dawn or worse.

>>52609962
With this alliance Orcs and Khajit will inherit Tamriel. Altmer can't compete with this.

>>52584868
Sauce?

>>52610430
Lorkhan pls go.

If the nords ended the last kalpa by destroying the towers does that mean that the thalmor plan won't work?

>>52611051
>t. Ooga Gro-Booga
go back to your shit huts and beating your other orc friends with sticks

>>52611135
Eh fuck off man, Malacathite Orcs are cool since he doesn't seem to have the Omnicidal nihilism of the Altmer post-Boethiah

>>52611135
>you have to be an orc to dislike lorkhan
Nordic ignorance hard at work, I see.

>>52611180
Nah, their attitudes are just as bad if not worse. Give me ONE good reason all orcs shouldn't be genocided.

>>52611190
Kajiit Dislike Lorkhan but do so in a way that doesn't demand the cessation of all existence.

Hell, they even respect the Padomaic layer above him!

>>52606943
>>52606991
The closest actual translation we have is
A New
Hope

>>52609961
Boethiah ate him because he spread lies about Lorkhan.

Libel is a different fucking thing from murdering people, but I guess Redguards and Bretons don't know that.

>>52613403
Libel from a literal god is MUCH more harmful than murdering people.

>>52613423
What is a god to a non believer?

>>52613431
Irrelevant, orsimer were dumb enough to eat that shit up.

>>52613434
Bretons are dumb enough they can't beat a so called dumb orc by their own rules.

>>52613451
That doesn't even make sense. Dumb orcposter.

>>52613458
>That doesn't even make sense. Dumb orcposter.
Yes it does. Gortwog beat a Breton in a rule deemed just by a Breton judge.

Dumb manmer, the man half must be dumbing down the other half.

>>52613462
>rule
duel*, typo

>>52613462
Doesn't matter because they killed him.

Who's the smart one now? Dumb orcshit.

>>52613476
>Doesn't matter because they killed him.
So whoever is best at killing is smarter?

Also, when was it mentioned Gortwog got killed? Don't make shit up now, manmer.
>Who's the smart one now? Dumb orcshit.
Considering Colette Marence the Breton is literal dogshit and Urag the Orc is actually fucking respected, not Bretons.

The Nord mage (Tolfdir) and the Imperial one (Sergius) are more respected too. Only Mirabelle Ervine is an actual good Breton wizard, and she got killed by an Altmer, so by your logic she's not the smart one either.

>>52613514
What, don't tell me you think he actually lived through the most recent of the many sackings of Orsinium. Let's just assume he survived, my point still stands. Smart men don't let their kingdom get sacked so frequently that it's like a running joke.
>Colette Marence the Breton is literal dogshit
Fuck you, Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic.

>>52613550
>What, don't tell me you think he actually lived through the most recent of the many sackings of Orsinium. Let's just assume he survived, my point still stands.
You made the initial claim that he got killed, so it's up to you to prove it.
>Smart men don't let their kingdom get sacked so frequently that it's like a running joke.
1: He's not a man, he's a mer. Get it right, dipshit.
2: The Bretons couldn't defend Markarth from a bunch of Nords and got their teeth smashed in, that makes them not smart too.
3: The Bretons couldn't protect Wayrest, they got their asses kicked by fucking pirates (http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cicero%27s_Journal_-_Volume_2)
4: The Bretons lost Betony to orcs, took it back, lost it again to Redguards, and regained control over it. Sounds to me like they let their land get sacked frequently.

>Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic
Fuck off Colette, we know it's you.

>>52613639
Reachmen != Bretons

>>52613658
Bethesda has them as Bretons in game and they are supposedly mongrels with Breton blood. Considering Bretons themselves are mongrels, that would mean they are just more Breton than normal Bretons.

>>52613681
Yes yes, they're bretons but they're not. They're disassociated with High Rock. Everyone knows this.

>>52613690
>They're dissociated with High Rock
They're still Bretons, quit shifting goalposts from Bretons to High Rock Bretons only.

>>52613709
Why should I? Reachmen aren't relevant to this discussion. This isn't a dick-measuring contest between the entirety of the two races, unless that's what you want this to turn into.

>>52613725
>Reachmen aren't relevant to this discussion
Yes they are since they're Bretons.
>This isn't a dick-measuring contest between the entirety of the two races, unless that's what you want this to turn into.
You're the one who used, "orcposter" first, not me.

>>52586566
Hlaalus are the lowest of organisms.

>>52590737
Dunmer and Altmer are apparently conditionally immortal (they can be killed and die from diseases but don't age anymore once they hit late adulthood), judging by all information we have. Average lifespan for Dunmer at least isn't much more than a human though, from a mock interview Bethesda did for Morrowind.

I imagine all the human races' natural lifespans are roughly similar to real humans', fluctuating between 60-80 with actual lifespans probably being biased much lower due to infant mortality and war-related deaths as well as plagues during periods when medicine and technology aren't up to snuff (and just in general with regards to war).

Not sure about the betmer, bosmer, argonians. Bretons might be longer-lived than other humans, given their elven blood.

>>52590783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHL7zyLsQ2k

>>52613737
You're an orcposter, that implies traditional orc, excluding city orcs. Try to keep up, I know your teeny tiny orc brain is having a hard time.

>>52613748
>You're an orcposter, that implies traditional orc, excluding city orcs. Try to keep up, I know your teeny tiny orc brain is having a hard time.
Now you're just defining words by whatever the fuck you mean.

Also:
>>52613434
>orsimer

Come on Breton, stop being so revisionist. Turkey and Japan are getting jealous.

>>52613770
I'm sorry you can't keep up, you must be new to the Elder Scrolls. What's wrong with calling Orsimer by their proper name? I was referring to the time before they got turned into shit (orcs).
>Come on Breton
I'm a Nord btw

>>52613805
I'm sorry you're just changing definitions of words to whatever you mean, like orcposter (which is just a mishmash of orc+poster, nothing about it implies traditional orc over city orc).

>What's wrong with calling Orsimer by their proper name?
1: Orsimer only appeared after they got altered. Because Orsi- means pariah, and they were not pariahs before, only after Trinimac was eaten.
2: You said it wasn't a dick measuring contest between the entirety of two races but you were the one that used a blanket term for an entire race first. Go figure, genius.

>I'm a Nord
Doesn't a winter muslim like you have better things to do, like whine about, "muh Talos" to the Empire he made and trying to exterminate all non-Nords from Skyrim?

>>52613839
>Orsimer only appeared after they got altered
The Orcs were supposedly created when the Daedric Prince Boethiah defeated the Aldmeri god Trinimac, transforming him into Malacath and his faithful, the Orsimer, into Orcs. (Father of the Niben)
>you were the one that used a blanket term for an entire race
I literally just explained how it DIDN'T blanket the entire race.

Dumb orcfag.

>>52613839
Speaking of Orcs and Nords, which race is physically stronger in lore? Any info on that?

>>52613882
Nords, they're better throughout history at killing shit.

>>52613882
Nords start with higher strength and equal or lower intelligence depending on gender than Orcs in Morrowind and Oblivion.

>>52613882
In an arm wrestle the average orc would beat the average nord on the basis that a higher percentage of orcs live an active lifestyle where they work out their upper bodies. Many nords do too, but there's also far more nords that live cushy lives as merchants and such.

As far as "natural" strength the best and most recent we have to go on is attribute values from Oblivion. Nords are 50 strength while orcs are 45 there, making nords stronger. Orc women are much smarter than nords (and orc men), though, which fits well with their lore of their de facto leaders being wise women (with the chiefs being more breeding studs than actual leaders).

>>52613874
>The Orcs were supposedly created when the Daedric Prince Boethiah defeated the Aldmeri god Trinimac, transforming him into Malacath and his faithful, the Orsimer, into Orcs. (Father of the Niben)
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Father_Of_The_Niben

No mention of that. The only mention of Orsimer:
>It is possible that the tradition is wrong. Perhaps the Orcs were an aboriginal tribe predating the Aldmeri colonization. Perhaps these were a cursed folk—"Orsimer" in the Aldmeris, the same word for "Orc"—of a different kind, whose name was to be given the Orcs in a different era. It is regrettable that the fragment ends here, for more clues to the truth are undoubtedly lost.

>I literally just explained how it DIDN'T blanket the entire race.
No, you used Orsimer, a term for orc, and are now using a No True Scotsman fallacy of, "oh no, only THIS is an orsimer."

Dumb Nordfag, I remember you from the tesg on vg, the tard who was saying Nord smiths were better than Orcish ones.

>>52613907
I thought Daggerfall was the last one with Sexual Dimorphism.

>>52613918
Ignore the facts all you want, doesn't change the fact that orcs used to be called something else. It may have not been used the term used at the time, but everyone knows that Orsimer refers to pre-shit orcs and Orc refers to post-shit orcs.

>the tard who was saying Nord smiths were better than Orcish ones.
Well it's true. If orcs are so great at smithing, then why are their weapons and armor so awful? Why can't they work the Skyforge like a Nord can?

Dumb orcfag.

>>52613941
>Ignore the facts all you want, doesn't change the fact that orcs used to be called something else. It may have not been used the term used at the time, but everyone knows that Orsimer refers to pre-shit orcs and Orc refers to post-shit orcs.
Go prove it, you've shown facetious information before so your credibility has dropped.

>Well it's true. If orcs are so great at smithing, then why are their weapons and armor so awful?
>http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Orcish_Armor#Orcish_Armor
Orcish Armor (which is MEDIUM) has a rating of 30 on each piece
>http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Nordic#Armor
Nordic HEAVY armor has a rating of 18 at most.

>Why can't they work the Skyforge like a Nord can?
There are no orcs living in Whiterun, it's up to you to prove that they can't.

>>52613930
Every game with race selection and attributes had different values per sex.

Daggerfall might even be considered the sole exception to this because NONE of the races or sexes have any influence on your attributes. The values exist in the game data but they never affect anything because starting attributes are solely determined by class. That's probably a bug, but it means that in terms of game mechanics Daggerfall is the only one without sexual dimorphism.

>>52613930
That's not what dimorphism means. It's also neither the last with sexual dimorphism nor with stats that differ based on sex.

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Is this mod as terrible as it looks?

Trainwiz posted it once and I've been morbidly curious since.

http://www.automatichamster.com/keening/index.shtml

>>52613988
I like how you straight up ignored the part of Father of the Niben that mentions the naming.
>It is possible that the tradition is wrong. Perhaps the Orcs were an aboriginal tribe predating the Aldmeri colonization. Perhaps these were a cursed folk—"Orsimer" in the Aldmeris, the same word for "Orc"—of a different kind, whose name was to be given the Orcs in a different era. It is regrettable that the fragment ends here, for more clues to the truth are undoubtedly lost.
Nice cherrypicking with the armor, I can link you to the Skyrim page where Nordic is stronger than Orcish, but I'll save you the grief.
>There are no orcs living in Whiterun, it's up to you to prove that they can't.
No orc has for thousands of years, so I assume they can't. Unless you feel up to proving that no orc has ever lived in Whiterun for thousands of years, I feel like that's decisive.

>>52614015
>Q: Why are there random wings on people?

>A: There is a winged race in Keening that is tied into an expansion of existing lore. I am not sure why people keep asking this question in such a negative way, but all of the character designs are deliberate and tied into the storyline.

I have never played it but can definitively tell you yes, it is terrible.

>>52614032
>Father of the Niben
No, I quoted it.

Also it proves you wrong, dumbass. It says orsimer is the same word for orc. You're being retarded now.

>cherrypicking with the armor
Skyrim is literally retarded in-game mechanics wise. Point in case, this:
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Farkas
He's a fucking blacksmith, this master warrior of the companions, with a higher speech than his one handed skill.
Also Eorlund never forges the Nordic Carved Armor for the Companions. He forges Wolf Armor, which is weaker than Orcish. Use a game with better internal consistency.

>No orc has for thousands of years, so I assume they can't.
Now, where does it say no orc used the Skyforge for thousands of years? Your credibility is shit right now so post something reliable.
>Unless you feel up to proving that no orc has ever lived in Whiterun for thousands of years, I feel like that's decisive.
I never said they didn't, but if you want to prove it, go ahead. You'd have to prove they would try and use the Skyforge, considering that they don't own it.

>>52614136
>it proves you wrong
It literally refers to orsimer as the pre-transformation orcs, I don't understand where you're getting confused. I'll just chalk that up to you being a dumb orcfag.

I don't know why you're bringing up Farkas, or why you think he's the master warrior of the Companions, or why you think it matters whether or not Eorlund personally makes Nordic Armor. None of that changes the fact that Nordic Armor is stronger than Orcish Armor, so again, I'll assume that was just your puny orcfag brain getting scrambled up again.

>where does it say no orc used the Skyforge
Where does it say one did? The burden of proof lies with you, but you wouldn't know that since you're a dumb orcfag.

Goodnight orcfag, I'm done trying to have a coherent discussion with a lesser being.

Reminder that orcs aren't even a sentient race. They're closer to goblins than mer, it's only a matter of time before they devolve to the point where they won't even have black souls. That is, if they don't go extinct first. Based redgaurds and bretons might just take care of that.

>>52614191
>It literally refers to orsimer as the pre-transformation orcs, I don't understand where you're getting confused. I'll just chalk that up to you being a dumb orcfag.
>"Orsimer" in the Aldmeries, the same word for "Orc"
Literally says the two are the fucking same, genius.
>I'll assume that was just your puny orcfag brain getting scrambled up again.
You used Skyrim, the game with a retarded in game mechanism like Farkas being a blacksmith. I'm assuming you're ignoring how nonsensical other things are but only want to think that the one thing is sensible, because you have more chromosomes than a Nord has had cups of mead in their lifetime. Or you just like to stick your fingers in your ears and go la-la.

And you say Eorlund is the best blacksmith but the Companions, who would get only the best armour and weapons from him, wear Wolf Armor, not Nordic Armor.

>Nordic Armor is stronger than Orcish Armor
>http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Dragonborn:Nordic#Nordic_Carved_Armor
Total (with Shield): 119.5
>http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Orcish
Total (with Shield): 120
Literally you're wrong, unless you don't count the shield.

Nordfag gets BTFO and has to resort to saying the other guy is too dumb when he posts incorrect facts like a tard.

Back to /tesg/ with you, moron.

>>52614191
Also:

Nordic Carved Armour from Skyrim uses Ebony, which is literally the blood of a fucking god. It takes the blood of a god to match an Orc's skill with an armour. Wow. Real great.

Nordic Armour in Morrowind uses steel, which Orcish Armour also uses. That proves that Orcs make better armour, they use the same materials but produce better results.

>>52614265
>>52614277
>still ignoring the part about the name change
here, I'll spoonfeed it to you
"whose name was to be given the Orcs in a different era"
"NAME WAS TO BE GIVEN"
"ORCS IN A DIFFERENT ERA"
>muh wonky skyrim mechanisms
literally doesn't matter. at all.
>ignoring the fact that Eorlund's reputation is established as the GOAT and you witness him reforge Wuuthrad to back it up
>counting the shield
>muh ebony
Well if that's all it takes, then why don't orcs use ebony in their armor? Guess they're too fucking dumb to smith optimally, unlike Nords.

>>52614296
Technically only dunmer and a few imperials are supposed to know how to smith with ebony anyway, Skyrim completely fucks up the smithing system in almost every conceivable way. I think they had an intern handle that aspect of the game or something.
>steel is made from iron and rubies (which are very common)
>ebony is fucking everywhere and damn near any joe schmo can smith with it, all it takes to smith daedric equipment is the blood of daedra
>ebony and glass on the far side of the continent from Morrowind, including a large glass deposit atop the Throat of the World and more in the Forgotten Vale
>orcish shit made not from steel but from orichalcum, a metal previously only mentioned as being a building material used by the yokudans to make their Tower- this is parallel to real-life orichalcum, which is a reddish-gold alloy that was used by the atlanteans as a decorative building material. but here it's green and mined instead of alloyed and used by the orcs because orcs are green and orichalcum sounds sort of like orc
just off the top of my head, I know I had enough shit to fill three posts the last time I bitched about this though so that's far from all.

>>52614296
>here, I'll spoonfeed it to you
>"whose name was to be given the Orcs in a different era"
>"NAME WAS TO BE GIVEN"
>"ORCS IN A DIFFERENT ERA"
That doesn't mean squat, fucking tard. It literally says they used that word before but the two mean the same fucking thing. People used to use the word nigger for black people, it doesn't mean "nigger" is only the word for black people before a time point and "black people" is the word after that time point. Of course, only a chromosome filled monkey like you would not realize how words work.

>literally doesn't matter at all
>Eorlund is established as the GOAT
GOAT in SKYRIM, not in Orsinium or all of Tamriel. Only in SKYRIM.
>counting the shield
Shields are fucking good unless you like being crushed by a falling rock during a siege or being constantly disrupted by arrows. Only a Nordfag would be dumb enough not to use one.
>why don't orcs use ebony
Ebony is the blood of a god. Super rare motherfucker. Most orcs are isolated and don't have access to it, except that 1 mine that has it, but they do sell ebony armour at a high enough level. They don't need to add extra shit to that ebony armour because they don't fix what's not broke.

Nords can't even smith steel into something good. They can't even make their TROLLBONE armour good, it's is worse than fucking Orcish steel. Pretty fucking sad.

>>52613892
Physical strength is not the sole determinant of killing power. Scandinavians are the physically strongest race from what we can see about their strongmen, yet the an Austrian was a better killer than they were.

>>52614362
>That doesn't mean squat
Why? Because you don't want it to? Reading comprehension is hard, I know.
>GOAT in SKYRIM
He and other NPCs credit him as the greatest in Tamriel too. Not just "Only in SKYRIM."
>needing a shield
>getting hit
Of course the orcfag would be so lacking in skill.
>Nords can't even smith steel into something good.
Huh, that's funny because Skyforge Steel weapons are better than Orcish weapons. Weapons made from inferior steel, by Nords, better than weapons made from superior Orcichalcum, by Orcs. Pretty sad.

Dumb orc, why are you still even trying to compete with the big boys?

>>52614410
True, but in the Nords' case, their accomplishments were directly related to great feats of strength, i.e. 500 invincible men sweeping across Skyrim uncontested, followed by centuries and centuries of iron-fisted conquests that were only eventually stopped by the Wild fucking Hunt.

>>52614362
>That doesn't mean squat, fucking tard. It literally says they used that word before but the two mean the same fucking thing. People used to use the word nigger for black people, it doesn't mean "nigger" is only the word for black people before a time point and "black people" is the word after that time point. Of course, only a chromosome filled monkey like you would not realize how words work.
He's right though. You're blinded by your assrage or something and missing the fact that it says "whose name was to be given to the orcs," implying the orsimer that passage was talking about were not the orcs who would be given the name. Extending your analogy, that would be like saying "the niggers, whose name was to be given to blacks in a later era"- which would imply the "niggers" were a separate race of people that existed before blacks, who would only be given the same name later on. As if that weren't clear enough, it calls them "[orcs] of a different kind." Make sense now?

Of course, that's only posited as an hypothesis. The whole point of the Father of the Niben is that it's an unreliable account (chunks of it are missing, it's by an unreliable narrator, and then another unreliable narrator has annotated it, extrapolating from the original text).

>>52613746
Dunmer were said to live way more than humans in that interview

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>Orcish """"smiths""""
None of these blades could cut butter

>>52614449
>Well, I'm fifty, done my twenty years in the Service, and I'm in the prime of life. I expect another fifty good years, and then I'll be old, and slow, chatting with gaffers around the hearth for another twenty, thirty years. I've known mer still mind-sharp in their late hundreds, and heard of folk 200 and older. My family usually makes it to 120-130, providing we don't get sick or poked in the eye.
Not really. Two or three times at the most. But then you have Telvanni wizards (admittedly exceptional, since there is ample evidence that they use necromancy or other kinds of magic to keep themselves alive) who have made it for millenia, and Barenziah, who is not a wizard, who made it for several centuries, well past 200. He says "providing we don't get sick or poked in the eye" but it seems most likely that his family dies from either getting ill or simply wearing their bodies out with small work-related injuries over time. Still, his family is probably meant to be average.

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Is it just me, or is the 3rd Era so much more interesting than the 4th Era?

Does nobody else feel Bethesda dropped the ball a bit with Skyrim's extension of the lore?

>>52614415
>Why? Because you don't want it to? Reading comprehension is hard, I know.
Your retarded logic means nigger only refers to Africans before it became disused by modern times, and black people only refers to Africans after.

I know context and synonyms are hard for you to grasp.
>greatest in Tamriel too
Where exactly?
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Adrianne_Avenicci
>I don't claim to be the best blacksmith in Whiterun. Eorlund Gray-Mane's got that honor.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Oengul_War-Anvil
>Everyone says Eorlund Gray-Mane is the best smith in Skyrim. I plan to change a few minds about that

>Huh, that's funny because Skyforge Steel weapons are better than Orcish weapons.
>using a magical forge to boost smithing power artificially
>meanwhiles orcs produce their weapons in forges that every other Nord smith uses
Meanwhile in Morrowind the Orcish Warhammer has much higher damage than any Nordic weapon and is also longer with it's reach.

>needing a shield
>getting hit
>Of course the orcfag would be so lacking in skill
Look at all those Nordic guards in Skyrim, using shields. Guess you just said a whole fuckton of Nords lack skill.

Nordfag BTFO.

>>52614440
>whose name was to be given to the orcs
The line before it says:
>The question, of course, is what is to be made of this apparent reference to Orcs occupying the region? Tradition has it that the Orcs were not born until after the Aldmer had settled the mainland, that they sprung up as a distinct race following the famous battle between Trinimac and Boethiah at the time of Resdayn.
Which is what the Nordfag thinks happened to the orcs. But the later line which he quotes says this one is potentially wrong. So he can't quote that part and say orcs were shat out when he part he quotes suggests orcs WERE NOT shat out.

And the important word before that is, "Perhaps".

>>52614475
Almost nothing in Skyrim could. Every blade is like an inch thick.

Also orcs are supposed to be expert ARMOUR smiths. They didn't even have weapons of their own before Skyrim iirc. Only the Dunmer are supposed to be better armoursmiths.

>>52614505
>They didn't even have weapons of their own before Skyrim iirc. Only the Dunmer are supposed to be better armoursmiths.
Incorrect.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Orcish

The Orcs had a Warhammer and Battleaxe pre-Skyrim.

>>52614526
Huh, didn't remember those. All the same, that axe actually looks capable of cleaving.

>>52614538
What's weird is that it has an insane minimum damage of 17, which means you don't have to pull it back all the way to make it hit really hard. Kind of makes up for it's crappy maximum damage.

Also that warhammer literally looks like a cock and balls with the weird roundish hammer heads.

>>52614488
Considering more happened in a decade in the 3rd compared to 200+ years in the 4th, yes, that's fair.
>>52614495
m8 I don't even know what you're trying to prove with your misinterpretation of a sentence in the lore. If you're going to argue semantics, at least try to have first-grade level literacy first.
>Where exactly?
Okay okay, only Eorlund says that. But you know what? I believe it.
>Orcish Warhammer has much higher damage than any Nordic weapon
You're comparing apples to oranges, that's irrelevant. Let's compare apples to apples, shall we? The one weapon type that Nordic and Orcish weapons share is Battle Axes, and, oh, would you look at that? The Nordic Battle Axe is stronger than Orcish.
>Guess you just said a whole fuckton of Nords lack skill.
It's just part of the uniform. If the individual guard prefers one handed weapons, it makes sense to fill their other hand with a shield. And if we're being honest, it's only the milkdrinker Imperial-backed holds where the guards don't use two-handed weapons. Definitely lesser Nords.
>Nordfag BTFO
kek, that means fucking nothing coming from an orcfag, especially one who hasn't put together a single intelligible argument all night.
>>52614505
>Only the Dunmer are supposed to be better armoursmiths.
>Another case of Dunmer thinking they're the best at anything
Isn't it hilarious?

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>>52614410
>an Austrian was a better killer than they were.

>>52614478
Two or three times more sounds like a lot to me, and there are several cases of Dunmer living way more than that.

>>52614561
>Another case of Dunmer thinking they're the best at anything
Ebony, glass and daedric are objectively the best armour types, apart from dragonscale being better light armour than glass and dragonbone iirc being between ebony and daedric, both exclusively in Skyrim, and glass not existing before Morrowind. All three (except possibly Daedric, which may in fact be produced not by mortals but Daedra- no, Skyrim is not evidence of jack shit, see >>52614338) are Dunmeri. A few outside of the Dunmer race have been taught how to smith with glass or ebony by Dunmer masters, but these are extremely isolated cases.

It's less "dunmer think they're the best at everything" and more "the dunmer are developer darlings and were written to be the best at everything besides meme yelling (nords) and magic resistance (bretons)."

>>52614561
>misinterpretation of a sentence
>when the very sentence you quoted says that orcs weren't shit out because it says the theory of orcs being shit out is potentially wrong
You were arguing that "orsimer" refers to pre-shit orcs, who were Aldmer, when that line says "Orsimer" is a tribe that predated the Aldmeris. It literally proves you wrong.
>You're comparing apples to oranges, that's irrelevant. Let's compare apples to apples, shall we? The one weapon type that Nordic and Orcish weapons share is Battle Axes, and, oh, would you look at that? The Nordic Battle Axe is stronger than Orcish.
When you pull the axe all the way back, that is. 17 minimum damage means you don't have to pull the axe all the way back to hit harder (as that is how the weapon system works). The Orcish battleaxe was designed to, guess what? Rapid fast attacks because you don't need to draw it back, meant for Orcish berserkers. The Nordic one is meant to be pulled all the way back, and even then it barely ekes out.
>Okay okay, only Eorlund says that. But you know what? I believe it.
Eorlund literally says, "Gods be praised!" if you buy from him and his family is mentioned to not be doing as well as the Battle-borns. If his steel was the best, he'd be fucking rich charging people insane prices for it. Also of course he says it's the best, he's a merchant, he's trying to sell you shit. I don't trust every snake oil salesman saying their crap does X.
>kek, that means fucking nothing coming from an orcfag, especially one who hasn't put together a single intelligible argument all night.
You're funny, mister quotes shit incorrectly all the fucking time like when you said other NPCs say he's best in all of Tamriel and when you made up a passage from the Father of Niben.

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>>52614622
Amateurs...

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This is pedantic bullshittery, but does anyone else think the draggon-dagger-D is the coolest shit ever, and ESO made a huge mistake in not having it as the symbol of the Daggerfall Covenant or whatever the Breton faction is called?

>>52614436
>True, but in the Nords' case, their accomplishments were directly related to great feats of strength, i.e. 500 invincible men sweeping across Skyrim uncontested, followed by centuries and centuries of iron-fisted conquests that were only eventually stopped by the Wild fucking Hunt.
That's skill in combination with strength and other factors. Every fighting art uses skill, strength, agility, endurance, etc. Pure strength is good, but it's not the end all be all.

>>52614659
Looks out of place to me, like everything from Arena and Daggerfall

>>52614613
>when you made up a passage from the Father of Niben
But I didn't.

Not even going to acknowledge all the other shit you said, you're really grasping at straws now. I'll fuck off now, little orc shit. I'll even let you get the last response so you can think you won.

>>52614659
>Daggerxl
Dagger Extra Large?

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>>52614659

Lets talk about werewolves. Does a cure exist for werewolves who aren't members of the Compabions? They get the special deal where you burn the Glenmoril Witch's head in the tomb of Ysgrammor to remove the beast from your soul. I don't suppose any old werewolf could do that, and even if they could, they don't have access to tomb. Are the rest of Tamriel's werewolves just boned, then?

>>52614784
>But I didn't.
>>52613874
>The Orcs were supposedly created when the Daedric Prince Boethiah defeated the Aldmeri god Trinimac, transforming him into Malacath and his faithful, the Orsimer, into Orcs. (Father of the Niben)
You looked at the wiki and thought that the source was fact checked correctly. Hint: It wasn't. Learn to click on a link before saying a quote is from a source when it isn't.

>you're really grasping at straws now
Says the guy who says, "oh hurr durr battleaxe to battleaxe!" when the Orcish Warhammer has higher damage, greater reach, and greater enchanting power than the Nordic Battleaxe. You're basically saying an apple half the size of an orange has more calories.

Also the Orcish warhammer has a higher Enchant (8) vs Nordic (5.5), so they work better with mages than Nords do.

>I'll fuck off now, little orc shit
See you, winter jihadi. Don't blow yourself up for Talos now.

>so you can think you won
I'm sure you win in your head all the time, Viking Muslim.

>>52614790
They hadn't invented swords yet.

It was a different, purer, time.

>>52614816
There's always another way to get around a curse, just have to ask the right witch, daedra alchemist or wizard. The cure could be anything from having to eat a special blessed flower, having to perform daily prayers for the rest of your life to having another werewolf piss up yer bum. Who knows.

>>52614727
But Daggerfall has a myth about the mentioned dagger falling where their city was founded. The Dragon Dagger is far cooler than a vaguely celtic symbol.

>>52614858
Throughout 5 games, there's been no mention of an alternative cure. If I was a werewolf and I didn't want to be, I would be worried.

>>52614816
In the past they could have the curse lifted simply by getting in good with the Glenmoril coven (or Hircine). The Companions' method is boneheaded, but probably has to be because they are not ordinary werewolves. They were cursed for being shitheads rather than simply afflicted with the disease.

>>52614880
I think the faction logos should have been a fusion of the 3 race logos.

Daggerfall Covenant could have been a lion smithing a curved sword on an anvil.

I can't recall the other sigils but they got lazy when they just picked one of the race sigil to use.

>>52613746
I don't think that Dunmer nor Altmer are really that immortal
The Telvanni Mage Lords are considered to be very exceptional and maybe even unique (although I'm not that sure about the latter) amongst the Dunmer for their very long life spans
And in the games, there is an Altmer who tries to become a lich, and Mannimarco is also a lich
And isn't becoming a lich because they want to cheat death?

>>52615346
>Telvanni magelords

iirc Dratha was messing around with necromancy and Fyr had his corprus research, although that doesn't really explain how he managed his first millennia
I don't think the canis root tea does anything exceptional for Neloth, it might just be an acquired taste

>>52615346
Liches are immune to more than just aging, they're only vulnerable if their phylacteries are destroyed. Death from simple aging is the only thing elves are normally immune to.

I don't recall the title, but one of the first in-game books I ever read back in Daggerfall opens up talking about how "we" (elves) do not die naturally but also do not tend to have lives that are much longer than humans because Tamriel is a violent place and almost everyone is killed sooner or later.

>>52615419
>I don't think the canis root tea does anything exceptional for Neloth, it might just be an acquired taste
Neloth casts a healing spell on himself every couple of minutes. The tea might be to keep himself awake and focused so he can keep repairing his body. Of course he also casts mage light frequently iirc, so it's equally plausible that he's just practicing/pioneering a restoration spell.

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>people arguing about shitty orc and garbage nord weapons
just punch people

>>52615465
But then people would argue about shitty orc knuckles and garbage nord knuckles

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>>52615499
maybe they should be

>tfw hand-to-hand combat was removed from skyrim because it made Uthgerd the Unbroken the strongest character in the game

>>52615499
Dunmer knuckles are the strongest :^)

>>52615506
>strongest
>doesn't even have fists on her feet, elbows and knees
>doesn't have fists on her fists
She's an amateur

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>>52615519
drider magic is just them punching real hard

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Do we know anything about lycantrophes being used for warfare purposes? Nordic Werebear berserkers would be fucking rad.

>>52606278
Orsinium is basically Poland.

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>>52606752
>Adam

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>>52615555
You will never have a qt werebear waifu.

>>52615346
It's stated that the Telvanni use a form of necromancy to keep themselves eternally old.

>>52606220
Threadly reminder Nords are dumb enough to follow a Thalmor sleeper agent and the Nords who didn't couldn't outsmart the tard Nords until an Imperial stepped in.

>>52615721
>Thalmor sleeper agent
I really, really like this meme

>>52615866
>everything I don't like is a meme

nice

>>52615911
Not him, but it's one thing to say Ulfric's actions happen to help the Thalmor, so they just let him do his thing. Its another to say he's a sleeper agent, but somehow being tortured once makes you automaticaly one.

>>52615960
>After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset.
Straight from the Thalmor dossier on him. Not to mention the Thalmor literally showing up at Helgen to bust up the execution, if Alduin hadn't shown up they would have created another diversion to allow Ulfric to escape. "Sleeper agent" MIGHT be implying things that are not true (ie he might not have some kind of trigger word that makes him fugue out or something) but Ulfric and the Thalmor are inarguably in cahoots.

>>52616060
Someone has watched too many cold war movies

>>52616094
Joke's on you the only one I give a shit about is dr strangelove.

But seriously the whole sleeper agent/hypnotism thing comes strictly from giving ulfric the benefit of the doubt and assuming he would never willingly cooperate with the thalmor, it's just that stormcucks don't understand that and think it's just everyone bullying their perfect fictional stormfag icon by saying he was weak enough to be brainwashed or something (when he was already weak enough to get captured in the first place, not once but twice, once by each of his enemies, so who gives a shit). It's more likely that he's just a wimpy little shit that bent over as soon as a knife-ear tried brokering a deal with him.

entering thread.i really think that the fate of the dragonborn should be that the thalmor invade skyrim (the dragonborn completes the stormcloak quests) and kill a bunch of civillians. the dragonborn goes off to atmora to find nerevarine to help him out in his quest. he then goes to the dragons he has not killed, then makes them his allies much like talos did. he then goes across tamriel, gaining the allience of the other races (Except cyrodil and the thalmor) and then goes to the imperial city and the thalmor hold the current emperor at his throat,which he then kills the thalmor holding the emperor at swordpoint when he storms in. he then convinces everyone to join forces under he, the emperor and the nerevarines command (who are now good friends) lead the races on a siege on the summerset isles, kill the thalmor leaders, and restore harmony to tamriel.

>>52616194
Is this pasta? If not it is now.

>>52616194
>the dragonborn goes off to atmora to find nerevarine
well that would fit with TLDB being an utter retard
>the thalmor hold the current emperor at his throat
what emperor

>>52616194
This is gold

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>>52616133

>>52593368
Heu, dont talk about our fair and glorious Barenziah!

>>52616194
10/10

>>52604118
Dragon scales are the size of armor plates, there is no way they could fit on a small amulet.

>>52616829
Not all of them are that big.

>>52593368
And he never finds out cause kids are the race of their mother.

>>52615431
>>52615419
>>52615346

One of the elves in game says that they revere an ancestor because he taught them how to walk differently and added 100 years to that races life span.

>>52616963
What kind of fucking walk does that?

>>52616973
I don't know. I don't think it is literally a walk but instead a walk of life a la don't eat fried food and exercise for 30 minutes a day

>>52616973
Take very long strides, keep your hands either rigidly at your side or in your pockets, always look down, pass up anyone slightly slower than you, and avoid eye contact at all costs.

>>52617179
And never make a deal with a n'wah?

>>52617219
Why do Dunmer complain of being treated badly in Windhelm and then shout n'wah at any foreigner in Morrowind?

>>52617274
because most of the Dunmer in Windhelm are autistic shitters that are too lazy to get off their ass and pick up a farming implement
even the skooma-whores of Riften have a simple job of stacking crates at the meadery

>>52616963
Phynaster, yeah.

>>52617274
All Hlaalu scum. Hlaalu are the Ashkenazi of TES.

>>52616194
>dragonborn completes the stormcloak quests
Fuck off Ulfric we know it's you posting.

>>52613882
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/kynes-challenge

The author in the lore is a Nord from Windhelm who is a Fighter's Guildmaster from Sentinel, and he has an Orc in his party. Here's how he describes him:

>A fellow member of the Fighters Guild, he is an impressively bulky Orc, favoring a cladding of the heaviest armor even on the most sweltering of days. He takes to hammering mead down his gullet like a slaughterfish to water. Although one would favor a slobbering troll over this specimen when attempting delicate diplomacy with a Dunmer, if you wish something to be struck so hard the crack can be heard in Oblivion, using a mace that a giant would have trouble wielding, seek out this Orc. Usually the picture of jocularity, Bashnag is no simpleton, and boasts blood kinship to the blacksmiths of King Kurog of Orsinium. He certainly hits harder than any man or mer I’ve met before.

It seems Orcs can reach a higher physical strength than Nords or Redguards, given that the Nord who spent his youth with other Nords in Windhelm and who is a guildmaster of a Redguard dominant city says the Orc is the strongest person he's met.

So it's my understanding that Alduin turned the Leaper Demon King into Mehrunes Dagon because he was fucking with the Kaplac cycle by preserving parts of it that he collected in his realm of Oblivion. It's also my understanding that the Dovahkiin killed Alduin, or at least caused him to go into a dormant state where his influence is minimal at best.

Question is: Does a fragment of the Demon King still exist within Dagon that could potentially reemerge ala Jyggalag now that Alduin is dead or at least unable to keep that part of Dagon in check? What did Alduin actually DO to Dagon to change his personality so drastically?

Also, what the fuck ARE Leapers? Did they turn into a different form a Daedra or did they just disappear altogether?

>>52617843
Dagon is Dagon until he's destroyed all of the bits of previous kalpas that he hid as the LDK
and given that he hid them all over the fucking place, he's going to keep being Dagon for a long time

>>52617843
>the aldudagga
>taking it as anything but the joke it is
Did you read it yourself or some actual autist's summary of it, because if you read it it's pretty obvious that it is not serious. Like, "and then alduin said, yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man so lorkhan said fuck you!!" tier silly.

The real story (in shades of allegory) is in the mythic dawn commentaries. Mehrunes was created as a weapon by the Magna Ge (the same way Pelin-El was, incidentally; the star orphans seem fond of creating radical agents of change to accomplish things that they, as anuic beings, cannot do themselves), and all the princes have to trade places every so often (since there's an odd number including Jyggylag, and poor Meridia is confirmed to swap with Molag Bal, it's probably Malacath who's the odd one out). The Magna Ge, unsurprisingly given their own history, seem obsessed with the concept of freedom- Pelin-El was created to free mankind from slavery to the Ayleids (and for an unknown purpose during the Reman dynasty), and Mehrunes was created to free man and mer alike from slavery to the Dreughs on Lyg. Ever since Mehrunes has embodied freedom through destruction. Probably why the Tribunal didn't like him much despite being all in for a twisted bitch like Mephala/Vivec, he threatened the established order.

>>52617814
>the Orc is the strongest person he's met.
>the strongest person he's met.
>he's met.
>he

>>52614659
I love Daggerfalls OST more than anything afterwards desu. It's much more immersive and atmospheric and actually conveys a sense of dread that the newer games just don't can't compare with.

Nothing breaks the mood for me more than when Peaceful Waters and The Road Most Travelled keep playing for 10 minutes after I enter a smugglers den.

>>52618472
>he
UGH THIS IS SEXISM
FREE TAMRIEL OF THE PATRIARCHY

>>52618560
It's a shame that Eric Heberling does music for slots instead of vidya now.

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>>52614505
>>52614526
There were Orcish weapons in Daggerfall (the objectively most canon Elder Scrolls game) as well and they were nearly as strong Daedric ones while being a good amount lighter. Ebony was slightly weaker than Orcish but half as heavy.

Orcs are pretty strong so they probably didn't mind the weight much. They were clearly the best mortal smiths. At the very least, they crafted the strongest equipment. Ebony weapons (most likely from Dunmer smiths) were the most efficient when you factor in weight. Anything that's not Ebony, Orcish, or Daedric is simply inferior in every way to one of those three.

>>52618472
Under Xivilai:
>“Silence your frog, Grundvik, son of Guthrum.” The devil spoke, seemingly from inside my head. “Xivilai Sahrith Dagon challenges you!”

>>52584805
So I have a character that's a Vigilant of Stendar Archivist, and like most TES nerds has found himself crawling down the rabbit hole that is the Dwemer.

So how DID the Dwemer deal things like Vampires and werewolves? Did they let them exist as long as they behaved themselves? Did they actively fight them? How did they deal with the Daedric Princes?

>>52616060
You have no reading comprehension if that's what you think the Dossier meant. Fuck off back to /v/.

>>52618998
In other words, Nordfag whines about cherrypicking when he only looks at Nordic Carved Armor as proof of supposed Nordic smithing superiority (not including how with the shield it's still weaker than orcish because, "muh skill"), when he deliberately ignores Nordic armor in Morrowind being shit and the +16 minimum damage, halved weight, and greater enchanting power the Orcish axe in Morrowind has over the Nordic axe because of, "muh +2 max damage" and only wants to use Skyrim, the game with game mechanism logic as consistent as Sheogorath and which would deliberately be biased for Nords because it provides more samples of weapons as it's a Nord-centered game. While ignoring a game focusing on Bretons that puts Orcish really high.

Sorry for the rant.

>>52618998
>Daggerfall
>most canon
nah senpai, don't fall for that meme

>>52615721
This man is correct.

>>52619482
jesus, you sound really buttmad over this anon. skimming through your posts, I honestly have to say you got schooled in every aspect. you instigated every instance of fallacious reasoning and cherrypicking, making all your statements easy to refute. I can see why you're mad at the guy, but bitching about him hours after the fact here and in the vg general is just unreasonable. sorry dude, but you really ought to let it go.

>>52619604
>>>/v/

Would there be Wood Orcs following the Green Pact or otherwise incorporating Bosmeri customs into their way of life?

>>52619655
I thought they cut down forests, and they're where Bosmer buy their lumber from. I highly doubt any of them are Green Pact compliant.

>>52619614
>source: the guy who was arguing with me 10 hours ago and can't come up with a good argument anymore

>>52619194
Given this is the Dwemer we're talking about, they probably would have kept them caged up to experiment on in order to find out what makes them tick.

>all this autistic rage about orcs
Lore wise, orcs are supposed to be the best armor smiths. Their armor pre-Skyrim was just specially worked steel, not "muh special metal." Someone already said how fucked up Skyrim's smithing system was, so that's not evidene for anything
>inb4 orcposter
It's known fact the Dunmer are the best at everything they do.
>swordsmen to rival the Redguards
>mages to rival the Altmer
>assassins to rival the Argonians
>warriors to rival the Nords
>diplomats to rival the Cyrods
>only race to have not one but three (3) ascend to literal godhood

>>52619813
>new IP
whatever you say anon.
let. it. go.

>>52619902
Four if you count Dagoth Ur

Also better liquor than nords

>>52619908
No, you said I instigated every instance of fallacious reasoning and cherrypicking. Go show me where.

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>>52619902
>Dunmer are the author's pet
ugh

>>52619902
>best at everything they do
Wait they're the best at sex too, aren't they?

Explains how they got fucked so hard by the Argonians.

>>52619902
>swordsmen to rival the Redguards
LOL
>mages to rival the Altmer
I wouldn't say rival. Outside of a very small group of individuals, Dunmer are very clearly established as second fiddle by a wide margin.
>assassins to rival the Argonians
One could argue that their established role in Dunmeri politics gives them an easy ride. The Morag Tong just isn't that impressive desu.
>warriors to rival the Nords
LOL
>diplomats to rival the Cyrods
If they were such good diplomats, maybe they'd still be a part of the Empire.
>only race to have not one but three (3) ascend to literal godhood
You can thank MK for that. Literally nothing about the race warrants it, they just happened to be the focus of his self-insert marysue fanfic.

>>52619245
>n-no, you're wrong! I refuse to believe it!!
I can't believe some people actually get this way over fictional characters. What the dossier meant was clear as day.

>>52620034
>If they were such good diplomats, maybe they'd still be a part of the Empire.
Wait when the fuck did all of Morrowind get kicked out of the Empire? I thought it was just the southern half when it got annexed by the Argonians.

>>52620069
they didn't, they seceded after the Oblivion Crisis

>>52619971
Your continued persistence of trying to use the Orcish Warhammer as an example of Orcish superiority is one instance. He was completely right to compare the battleaxes instead. By your logic, he could have compared a Nordic Warhammer of Skyrim to an Orcish dagger and claimed that it was a clear cut example of superiority.

>>52620001
>Explains how they got fucked so hard by the Argonians
That's a funny way of spelling "Red Mountain." The argonians barely made it into Dunmer territory before getting fucking destroyed by the Redoran army outside of Mournhold, and the only reason they made it as far as they did was that they attacked at the most vulnerable point in Morrowind's entire history so there wasn't a border patrol to put them down early.

>>52620055
No you retard. Do you want me to get out my pasta on the subject? The short of it is, Ulfric is NOT a sleeper agent. He is an asset because his existence continues the civil war, giving an advantage to the Thalmor. THIS MEANS that Tullius is the exact same type of asset to them, only he wasn't their prisoner. You see, they don't want Ulfric to win as much as they don't want Tullius to win, but they also don't want either side to lose. If their roles were swapped, they would have taken literally the exact same course of action with Tullius.
>>52620078
Morrowind was the one that formally seceded but it was the Empire that more or less abandoned them first.

>>52619902
Skooma addicts to rival the Khajiit

>>52620134
heh,nice.

>>52620084
>Your continued persistence of trying to use the Orcish Warhammer as an example of Orcish superiority is one instance.
The Nordic Battleaxe weights twice as much as the Orcish one, the Warhammer weighs closer to the Nordic battleaxe. As the amount of metal put in determines how much weight it has, it's literally a weapon with twice the material having barely higher minimum damage.

Also the Orcish Warhammer has the same speed as the Nordic and Orcish Battleaxe, while also having much higher damage and higher reach. Not to mention the Orcish Battleaxe still has higher minimum damage, and greater enchanting potential.

>Nordic Warhammer of Skyrim to an Orcish Dagger
Orcish Dagger has a much faster attack speed than a warhammer. That wasn't the case for the hammer and axe- same speed. I admit I was being kind of cheating in that regard, though.

Also how did I instigate the fallacious reasoning that Reachmen all of a sudden aren't Bretons, or how he literally didn't count shields for the Nordic Carved Armour, or how he used a quote to prove Orsimer was pre-shit, Orcs were post-shit when that quote directly said the theory of Orcs being changed by Trinimac's digestion disagreed with the theory of that quote?

>>52619902
>Dunmer are the best at everythin they do

Literally every other province we've seen so far is less of a shithole than Morrowind, even pre-Red Year.

>>52619965
>better liquor than nords
Nords don't make "liquor" though, they make mead and beer. That's like walking up to someone in a bar having a beer and saying you're better than them for drinking vodka and whiskey. You know what happens when you do that? Your face gets used as a mop on the pool table.

>>52620129
>The short of it is, Ulfric is NOT a sleeper agent. He is an asset because his existence continues the civil war, giving an advantage to the Thalmor.
Wow, I didn't realise disagreeing with your completely contrived headcanon equated to poor reading comprehension!

While it is mentioned later in the dossier that a victory for either side would be detrimental to the Thalmor cause, that statement is entirely separate from the statement that Ulfric was a cooperative Thalmor asset (who is still a Thalmor asset but has become less cooperative to DIRECT contact, ie meeting with Thalmor agents in person to receive orders, since the Markarth incident). We aren't discussing whether the Thalmor is an Ulfric sleeper agent working to further Stormcloak victory, we're discussing whether Ulfric is a Thalmor sleeper agent working to further Elven supremacy. I'd say use your fucking head, but I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

>>52620253
>pool table
what kind of games or sports do you all think people play in Tamriel?

>>52620267
>a cooperative Thalmor asset
says who? nigga he just wanted to survive so he could kill them all later. if you think Ulfric is unironically drinking the elven supremacy kool-aid, and ignoring the facts about the meaning of the Dossier presented to you, you're beyond reasoning with.

I repeat, return to /v/ from whence you came.

>>52620229
>fallacious reasoning that Reachmen all of a sudden aren't Bretons
That IS true though, Reachmen are only Bretons as far as genetics are concerned.
>when that quote directly said the theory of Orcs being changed by Trinimac's digestion disagreed with the theory of that quote
UESP interprets it the same way he did.
>"transforming him into Malacath and his faithful, the Orsimer, into Orcs."
I'd sooner side with UESP than some kid with a ridiculous personal vendetta over an internet argument on 4chan.

>>52620308
>says who?
>After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset. The so-called Markarth Incident was particularly valuable from the point of view of our strategic goals in Skyrim, although it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative to direct contact.
Feel free to keep telling me I have no reading comprehension, pot.
>contact was established and he has proven his worth
>implying he was receiving and following orders
>it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative
>becoming
>implying he was cooperative before
>to direct contact
>implying he is still cooperative to indirect contact

>>52620308
>dude its a total coincidence that Ulfric's former interrogator is now the chief Thalmor ambassador in Skyrim and if you disagree with me hurr durr go back to vee

>>52620229
Also he's technically right about the shields. 2 things:
1: In a traditional context, shields aren't really armor. They're only armor because that's how the game classifies them as that, which is incorrect from a technical standpoint.
2: The game (Skyrim) considers 4 pieces of armor to be a full set, shields are completely optional, and irrelevant to many Nord warriros.

>>52620445
He kind of has a point, you know. With the "go back to /v/ xD" thing, I mean. We're talking about the lore of a videogame on a traditional rpg (ergo, creative writing) board, and telling him his fanfiction is wrong while backing up our stance with evidence from a videogame. /v/ is, in theory, a board for videogames and fanfiction of this sort can be reasonably spun as a form of roleplaying, it checks out.

>>52620364
>That IS true though, Reachmen are only Bretons as far as genetics are concerned.
Therefore Reachmen are Bretons, which is what I was saying in the first place...
>UESP interprets it the same way he did.
It's a wiki, I can change it to agree with me too. Looking at the source (which is where the information comes from):
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/father-niben

(Let's use the Imperial Library as it's not a Wiki and we mainly use wikis for quick glances of information)

>Tradition has it that the orcs were not born until after the Aldmer had settled the mainland, that they sprung up as a distinct race following the famous battle between Trinimac and Boethiah at the time of Resdayn.
So first thing is this: orcs were transformed by Trinimac's change. It's what he said happened to the orcs, and I agree that that is what happened. Immediately following it:
>It is possible that the tradition is wrong. Perhaps the orcs were an aboriginal tribe predating the Aldmeri colonization. Perhaps these were a cursed folk -- "Orsimer" in the Aldmeris, the same word for "Orc" - of a different kind, whose name was to be given the orcs in a different era.
The quote he was using to try and say "Orsimer=pre-Malacath, Orc=post-Malacath" specifically says that the theory of Orcs being altered by Trinimac's digestion does not align with it. It says Orsimer were another race that had their name passed down to the orcs of a different era.

>I'd sooner side with UESP than some kid with a ridiculous personal vendetta over an internet argument on 4chan.
The UESP can be edited by anyone, anytime. The source is what matters, since that's what they're basing the entire articles on.

>>52620463
>shields aren't really armor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shield
"A shield is a piece of personal armour"
>shields are completely optional
He said armour, which includes shields.
>irrelevant to many Nord
Not the townguards of Skyrim who all have shields, not the Housecarls, nor Aela.

>>52620511
>The UESP can be edited by anyone, anytime
yeah but if you're going around making tons of edits to pages that have information copied verbatim from the games, that's a surefire way to lose your editing access
they don't even correct the in-game typoes

>>52620296
Khajiit: gambling, cards, dares, recreational drugs
Nords: wrestling, hunting, fishing, axe-throwing (darts), log-chucking (highland games style)
Cyrods: probably something like chess, riddles, puzzles
Bretons: Sacking Orsimir
Redguards: cards, gambling, sacking Orsimir
Altmer: Eugenics
Dunmer: casual sex
Argonians: who on earth knows

>>52620549
They do that, but they use the "sic" to indicate that it's a typo. It's why when you mouse over the typo it has a little "sic" that pops up to indicate the typo was reserved based off the original text of the in-game quote.

And that part was not copied verbatim, the only mention of Orsimer in the Father of the Niben was that little part I put in my earlier post where it theorized Orsimer were a race that existed before Aldmeris and their name passed down to modern orcs.

Look I think I got really fucking pissed and I realize now I acted like an autistic rage tard. I'm sorry for that.

>>52620566
>axe-throwing (darts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PyBZd0z1tM

>>52619834
So there's no real in lore answer?

>>52619194
>How did they deal with the Daedric Princes?
Denied their existence, or treated them as if they were mortals if forced to acknowledge them. A little known fact is that the mysterious brass alloy used by the Dwemer was actually made by smelting their own big brass balls.

>>52620405
>>52620445
I'm having a hard time believing there's two of you dolts here at the same time. For years it's been unanimously agreed upon that the only people who believe in "le Ulfric is le Thalmor" meme are /v/ermin. Just to humor you though, I read through the Dossier again, between the lines, just to see if there's a chance that I'm wrong. Unfortunately for you, the words are the exact same as the last time I read it, so it still does not support your crackpot theory in any way. You said it yourself, Ulfric's supposed "cooperation" to contact is waning, that's clearly meant to imply that he's having them talk to the hand. Given the Thalmor's nature and self-appointed superiority, there's no way that they would admit in a legal document that they let an enemy (and an inferior human) off their leash.

So yes, you have no reading comprehension. Just like it's been for the last 5 years, you king retards who unironically think Ulfric is an honest-to-goodness Thalmor asset, are still retards. That's all I have to say on the matter, I realize all this will go in one ear and out the other, so I'll not attempt to reason with you further.

>>52620887
>internal dossier only ever intended to be seen by other Thalmor operatives
>legal document

never go full retard

and of course Ulfric is a Thalmor asset, everyone involved in the Civil War is a Thalmor asset, they're all being played like a damn fiddle

Last thread of the weekend
>>52620998

Let's make it a good one, shall we?