/exg/ - Exalted General

And here's something Minton posted in the forum. Isn't it so weird to have devs that communicate with us?

"First Age Artifice

By incorporating sorcery and other arcane sciences into their work, First Age artificers achieved feats beyond the grasp of latter-day smiths. This, specifically, is what is meant by First Age artifice (Exalted, pp.243-244). Then as now, most artifacts constructed in the First Age employed more straightforward techniques. First Age artifice was reserved for grand and sublime feats that could not otherwise be achieved.

Artifacts requiring Craft (First Age Artifice) include such things as warstriders, airships, powered armor, miraculous infrastructure, sophisticated siege weaponry, automata with human-level intelligence, and anything else the Storyteller feels is incompatible with the setting of the Time of Tumult.

Out of game, this subsystem supports the setting conceit that many First Age marvels could neither be maintained nor replaced after the Usurpation, and allows Solar characters to repair and rebuild a few miraculous wonders from that era without being able to casually restore the glories of the First Age singlehandedly. It also ensures that certain artifact types are sufficiently difficult to construct that characters can't build them casually, and that they are very rare in the Time of Tumult without being outright impossible to create in play. These restrictions are fuzzy and ultimately rely on Storyteller judgment.

The section mark (§) denotes an artifact requiring Craft (First Age Artifice) to manufacture and repair. As a reminder, all crafting and repairs on such artifacts must be done with white experience points."

Apparently according to Vance, they've tested upgrading Dragon-Blooded to being neutral with all materials other than Jade (which they're still Resonant with) rather than Dissonant, and it's worked well in said testing.

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This seems to be getting posted in every thread, so I might as well get it out of the way now.

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>>52576454

I hope they don't go through with this.

>>52576635
I hope they do, so DBs can be actually as good at Evocations as the corebook claimed they were.

>>52576454
I don't think I'd mind this

>>52576454
Really? If the Solars, and the Lunars, and the Dragonbloods are unaffected by the Dissonant keyword, then it's a very rare situation that it actually applies.

Sort of reminds me of the way that every race except human in 3e DnD got low-light or darkvision.

>>52576742
Tricky, but that could just mean that they have the infrastructure to make Jade artifacts while Lunars have to salvage First Age Moonsilver and Sidereals need to wait for dramatically appropriate moments to harvest Starmetal.

>>52577354
Same, them being baseline competent at all the materials but Jade while getting the cool superpowers of Jade seems fitting for what was billed to be the second best at Evocations splat.

Serves to make Artifacts a way to punch above their power level, be that a good thing or bad thing. Reminiscent of 2e where CMAs were the way DBs had to build to really put up a fight. Not sure if Artifacts would become the One True Build for DBs.

>>52576399
I know, man. Did Holden and Morke have the current devs on a gag order until they got fired? They're so much better at acting like normal fucking people

>>52577413
I'm betting Lunars get the Dissonant keyword for lots of stuff if they go Beast Mode, I recall quite a bit of dev talk about Lunars not being able to really use Artifacts well while in DBT.

>>52576742
So do I. I loved the idea of DBs being super good at evocations.

>>52577424
This is pretty early on in the new devs life cycle, I remember back in the beginning John and Holden were quite a bit more communicative, it was only after delays, rewrites, and leaks that they really started clamming up. As the devs they were the ones bearing the brunt of the fandom's ire for those periods, hard to say how Vance and Minton will respond but they do appear to be a bit more sociable and capable of interacting with people online without blowing up.

Hopefully it never gets as bad as it did a couple of years back, but if it does I hope Vance and Minton keep up this level of communication.

>>52577432
It was at one point an utter inability to use Evocations while in DBT. What it's been since then, I don't know.

The additions of Resonant and Dissonant may mean they maintain some level of power from their artifacts while hulking out, but we'll see.

>>52577413
I'd be happy enough with some errata actually applying that word to solars for a change

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>>52577479
I suppose if they keep up a good rate of releases and don't blunder into easily avoided dramas, they'll stay good.

>>52577548
Giving Solars Dissonant?

>>52577572
only on one or two things, with everybody playing solars anyway it's a bit pointless otherwise

>>52577560
Basically. It does give me some hope that Vance seems much more open dev minded, taking some amount of direction from the fanbase.

Now if he can keep a cohesive image of his own in mind for the game while taking the technical critiques from the fans, that will be something.

>>52577548
Solars are the best at everything Solars can do. Nothing wrong with that.

>>52577606
People play Solars to have access to most of the cool toys, I'm not too upset about it. However Soulsteel would be the one MM I'd totally be fine them being normal or Dissonant towards.

>>52577632
What about Necromancy?

Well, at least Vance and Minton haven't tried to renegotiate their contract to make more money yet.

>>52577606

If Vitriol still exists, it'll probably cause everyone to lose the Resonant keyword when attuning to Vitriol treated artefacts.

>>52577782
If not make them flat out dissonant.

>>52577560
Well real life including jobs, illness and family always beckons - Morke had throat cancer back in 2013 for example.

Sorry for unrelated, but how would you fix the burning garbage that is the lunar tell system for a somewhat homebrewed 2.5e game?

>>52577876
I'd start by crying and regretting all of my life decisions that lead me here in order.

Then I'd tell /tg/ what the exact problem I am having with the Tell system is, since OH BOY, there is a lot wrong with Lunars in 2.5 and it is hard keeping track of all them.

>>52577876
How does it work in 2.5E again?

So, apparently Tomb of Dreams is out for backers. Has anyone seen it yet? What are your thoughts?

Anyone willing to upload it?

>>52577915
special snowflake mental attack that ignores most of the rules yet is also somehow absolute shit at actually doing what it's supposed to do.

it's "unexpected" which means it can only be resisted with mdv and any charms you had running by pure chance to boost it and if you don't see through it your player never knows their character was 'attacked'

but the mdv is only 6 which is trivial to have fresh out of chargen AND it can subtract 4 if you're trying to sneak past the wyld hunt so you walk into some random bar and literally everybody in the room instantly knows you're a lunar.

>>52577916
everybody was so scared of secret watermarks getting them sued we only even got 'miracles of the solar exalted' a week or two ago

>>52577986

We got Miracles of the Solar Exalted forever ago. It was never put in the OP because we never got the final version that had the missing charm. If you DO have that version, send it on to us.

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>>52577971

I'd just fucking ignore it and say it only is evident in a beastial true form (ie: DBT, true animal form) and when using pereph essence.

Lunars have enough fucking problems already, they don't need their only special trick (shapeshifting) made even shittier by default.

>>52576399
It seems so weird to have an Exalted dev say something on a forum and for me to say, "Fuck yeah! That's awesome. I like it!"

>>52578423
>It seems so weird to have an Exalted dev say something on a forum

I know, right?

Any idea what'll be the Abyssals' answer to Solar Supernal Skills?

>>52578446
I think it has been hinted somewhere in that dev-asking thread that Abyssals are actually going to have Supernals as Solars do.

>>52577432
I still don't understand that.

If a player decided to spend experience points learning his Lunar hulk-out Charms, and then spent experience points learning to use his awesome Moonsilver sword better, why would he get punished for that?

Oh sorry, but you don't get use the Charms you bought, or if you can you get shitty versions.

What is the point?

>>52577635
If Abyssals only resonate with Soulsteel and nothing else, it would be nicely symmetrical if Solars were resonate with everything but Soulsteel.

It seems a little late to do that though.

>>52578497
I do actually kind of think that should be the case, despite my rabid love of Solars. Soulsteel isn't an OG magical material so it seems weird that Solars can go fully Resonant with it.

>>52577876
The original idea for the Tell was somewhat interesting. It was a unique physical characteristic, a quirk like Odin's lost eye or cat years you couldn't keep hidden, that would sometimes follow you between your different forms.

But the mechanics for it have always been complete garbage.

>>52578461
>Mirror Supernals
Hoo boy, here we go again.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzhchnad4Iz9dlV5XzQxVFpnd28/view?usp=sharing

This is staying up for 1 hour.

>>52578462
>What is the point?
Lunars are shit, that's the point.

>>52578548
Just as long as we don't have Mirror Charms again.

>>52578562
where did you get this?

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>>52578548

Well, what else are you going to do with them? They've always been "Solars, but with a fedora and bad Day of the Dead cosplay".

Now you've also got Liminals to eat away at any potential new design space by latching onto "lol death and dead stuff" Exalted.

>>52578562
Thanks. You just made my day. Literally the entire reason I just came to 4chan and opened this thread.

>>52578595

I bought it for a gram of coke.
Where do you think?

>>52578562
Thanks for the upload. I've been looking forward to seeing this for myself.

>>52578613

What is it?

>>52578562
>A fucking year after the corebook came out they finally release a short adventure to teach people the game

Better late than never I suppose, though it still seems beyond stupid this wasn't released at the same time the corebook was.

>>52578613
sorry, I didn't look close enough; I thought it was something new.

>>52578629
Quickstart rules and an adjoining adventure

>>52578635
>>52578628

As the uploader, I'm mainly pissed off that it took 4 years for my book to get to me.

That, Beast and the general shitty attitude some of the OP Devs have has soured me on the company a lot.

Still waiting on Wraith 20 as well.

>>52578660
Beast went bad?

>>52578680
Beast is so fantastically bad, it boggles the mind.

>>52578680
>Beast went bad?
Oh boy. He doesn't know.

>>52578680

Beast was a terrible product.
Good idea ruined by terrible execution, force-feeding their idiotic ideology into the game and just shitty everything.
The main developer calling people that questioned his judgement MRA's didn't help either.

It didn't go bad so much as start out bad and got worse.

(Sorry for the rant)

>>52578730
>The main developer calling people that questioned his judgement MRA's didn't help either.

lol what

That only makes sense if like they were raising a giant fucking row over transsexuals or something getting representation in the character list. Or something along those lines. "MRA" isn't "somebody who disagrees with libtard me".

>>52578680
It would have been interesting if it had come out 20 years ago.

>>52578766

They also have a typical enemy insane beast that's the one who kickstarted Gamergate off as a troll online.

>>52578766

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?751112-Beast-the-Primordial-teaser-thread&p=18869444#post18869444

>>52578766

>(And, I note, once again Heroes smash their way in here and are all like "not all Heroes!" and "what about the Heroes?")

>>52578562

Took it down early since I'm going to bed. Sorry for those who missed it.

>>52578462
They couldn't find out what they want to do with Lunar, especially the theme, like Lunar has no theme unlike the perfect hero that is Solar, brotherhood DB and fate ninja Sid
Also in 2e Lunar's main schtick shape shifting get rekt by Infernal who is miles better
>>52578680
Think a game where you can play as a bully victim to bully back every bully and their friends by acting like an edgelord
The concept of teaching others by inflicting pain on them makes no sense at all unless you have that fetish

>>52578827
>>52578829
>>52578844
Wow, that is just fucking sad.

>>52578766

It was over people having serious questions as to why Heroes were portrayed as the unambiguous bad guys by the Devs.
Whereas they felt like people fighting back against literal child molesters and murderers.

Matt disagreed and compared people disagreeing with his views on what's good and bad with Men's Right's Activists. Beasts, the horrible murderous child rapists are of course Feminists in his head...for some reason.

>>52578863
>Think a game where you can play as a bully victim to bully back every bully and their friends by acting like an edgelord

The weirdest thing about Beast is that, if anything, it seems less like the product of rabid social justice types and instead much more like something somebody on the right would have wrote up as a scathing parody of the far left.

>>52578562
This is the first time since the release of the second leak, or hell even the first leak, that I've felt this hype.

>>52577657
you mean that token thing that solars don't get which intentionally sucks? the shittier version of sorcery(which solars just so happen to automatically be the best at)?

>>52578680
Beast is basically the living proof that if you go full liberal you become almost identical to an idiot reactionary. It's entertaining to watch, as I'm a commie and I find it funny as fuck when the typical Hillaryman starts acting as dumb as PepeGoebbels1488 but doesn't recognize it because his head is so far up his own ass.

>>52577548

Yeah - it dilutes the thematics of non-Solars if any Solar can easily use their evocations. It's a backwards step from Eclipses only being allowed to take specified non-Solar charms.

Perhaps not the best example, but Solars don't get to be just as good at Sidereal Martial Arts as an actual Sidereal.

Plus, it helps keep interest in playing non-Solars alive. The slow pace of releases is probably why they did it, so everything they put out is good for Solars (because that's all you get to play), but that's not a great justification.

>>52578923
>far left
They're liberals who fetishize minority status as a totem against the right because they're dumb enough to believe that if you diversify a board room, every problem will be fixed. I don't see communists or socialists doing this shit because they're focused on class, not race or gender.

>>52578915

Yeah, the game came off as intentionally edgy - "You're playing a horrible monster, a murderer or worse. And the antagonists are heroes out to stop you from hurting people."

Except when pressed on it, the author collapsed like a house of cards and insisted that everyone was interpreting everything wrong, and then started throwing bullshit in to appease the SJWs who were upset with his game.

Which is too bad because the edgy teenager who still lives in my heart kind of liked the basic premise.

>>52579017
Many of 'em are actually pretty damn socialist too.

>25 pages to describe the rules of a game
>In a published pre-made adventure

What a fucking failure of a game.

>>52579020

I would have liked it too if they just went full-on Horror Villain with it. None of those flimsy justifications in it and a little more social stuff or reasons to do all this besides 'just because'.
Yes you're the villain and yes people will hunt you down, but you ...I dunno uphold the cosmic balance or something?
In the end you have a role to play but you still deserve to die.

I'm about 90% certain that half of the 'subversive' ideas came from Rose. She seems like the type to go all academic feminist on standard fairy-tales.

>>52577867
And I think most people were generally accompanying about that. But by that stage, it was already late. And even afterwards, the proofing and layout stages took over a year (when the whole project was slated at 3 months).

The medical stuff was really a tiny factor in the incredible lateness of the project.

>>52579107

All the best wishes to John Mörke.
Though there really shouldn't have been a 4 year delay between finishing the kickstarter and giving backers their physical books.

>>52579054
How the fuck are supposed to make a quick-start guide to playing Exalted without including the rules on how to play Exalted?

>>52579153
I think his point is more that if the game's rules require that many pages to adequately explain itself for a *quick-start*, something has gone fairly wrong.

>>52579039
Are you sure, or are you the type of person who thinks Obama and the Clintons are socialists? Because I checked through Matt McFarland and Rose Bailey's twitter and there's not a drop of socialist in either. You figure they'd be following the Democratic Socialists of America or something like that at the least.

>>52578462
>why would he get punished for that
because he isn't a solar, and how else do you make solars feel better about the one cool toy they don't get to have?

>>52577432
That was well over three years ago. I wouldn't bet any money on anything said that long ago.

>>52578537
yeah, I like the general idea, it's just the execution

>>52579289
>Are you sure, or are you the type of person who thinks Obama and the Clintons are socialists?

Nah, I'm talking about actual socialism, not Red Scare these-people-who-don't-follow-my-ideology-are-commies socialism. And yeah, not all of them do by a long shot, but I've seen plenty who do.

>>52579289
maybe he means the german socialist people's worker party...or whatever nazi unpacks to in german i forget their full title

I want to FUCK suma

>>52578423
Minton and Vance are both cool dudes. I liked Holden and Morke's writing well enough, but they were shit at communicating with fans. The new devs are just as good of writers and way better with people skills.

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>>52579562
I want to teach the snek more about humanity by seducing and fugging it.

How much does Caste affect a person? Does it merely slot them into a role or does it change them t fit that role?

>>52579966
Mainly the former; people who Exalt as Solars usually end up in the most appropriate Caste for their talents. 2e had an exception in Ebon Shadow's Graceful Daughter, the creator of Ebon Shadow Style, but I don't know if that's canon anymore.

>>52578562

Are you a backer? can you post the final copy of the backer charms? I've been asking for it for ages but no one here seems to have it.

>>52579054
>Volfer has dexterity 3

Instantly dead.

>>52579966
Depends. For Solars, your caste is the reason you were chosen. Putting it another way, a Solar caste is your primary tool for approaching the world. Dawn Castes fight, Zenith Castes organize, Twilight Castes think, Night Castes act with subtlety, and Eclipse Castes use diplomacy. Within those broad purposes, there are wide latitudes.

It's different for other Exalted too. Lunars actively pick their own castes, while Sidereal castes are more about how you see the world than how you deal with problems.

>>52579054
It's not just an adventure, man. It's the quickstart for the game. Basically a mini-version of the rules *plus* an adventure to run new people through.

>>52580053
See >>52579188

>>52578534
If it's not OG how did Autochton make the Soulsteel caste?

>>52580033
What about Infernals and Abyssals?

>>52578534
Soulsteel's been around since before the Primordial War. It originally held the souls of Auto-kun's first people, those weird grey alien fuckers.

>>52580083
Alchemicals came well after the creation of the original Exalted Host, I thought?

>>52580101
Abyssals are mirrors of the Solar Castes, but tinted with death. A Dusk Caste was chosen to kill, a Midnight Caste was chosen to organize death cults, a Daybreak Caste was chosen to think up ways to creatively kill people, a Day Caste was chosen to quietly kill people, and a Moonshadow Caste was chosen to convince people to kill each other.

Infernals are weirder. They're chosen for failed heroism as a general thing, but each Yozi picks champions based on their own personalities and whims. Malfeas picks violent assholes who have the will to dominate others. Cecelyne picks people who hate the gods or want to abuse hierarchies. SWLiHN picks cold, ruthless motherfuckers who want to tear things apart to learn how they work. Adorjan picks goddamn psychopaths and yanderes. And the Ebon Dragon picks straight-up sociopaths and people who want to rot groups from the inside out.

>>52580124
They did, but the potential for something like them existed since the beginning. Soulsteel predates the Primordial War, but significant deposits of it didn't exist until the creation of the Underworld.

>>52577876
don't know about tells, but

Schaefer chargen
TAW dice caps and "Acquire a form just by killing them, no fancy hunt needed", tack those onto regular Lunars, and let Lunars take TAW charms on a case-by-case basis. (primarally str/dex/sta, and also probably wits/int charms)

all shapeshifters get a tell of some sort not just lunars, although specific mechanics may differ.

Also, can we agree, "Lunars have a bigger base pool, Solars pass up Lunars when both of them are maxing their excellencies" is a good way to handle the Solar Vs Lunar dynamic?

>>52577876
http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/exalted/56816-old-forum-repost-lunar-fan-errata

http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/exalted/1069023-ask-the-devs?p=1074353#post1074353
>Yes, this is a non-answer, and I'm sorry I don't have anything better.

Fucking christ, was that so hard OPP? Shit like this is literally all most of us have been asking for.

>>52580387
The new developers have said more of actual substance in the span of a week and a half than the previous developers said in 5 fucking years. It's incredible.

>>52580185
>Abyssals are the killdeathmurder exalts
>Infernal castes are tied to the Yozis
>Yozis are all one-note cartoon villains
Fuck off, alright?

>>52580485
>Abyssals are the killdeathmurder exalts

They fucking are.

>Infernal castes are tied to the Yozis

They fucking were.

>Yozis are all one-note cartoon villains

Blame the writers.

>>52580387

I know, right? I remember asking Holden a question about Manses only for him to reply back with "we've got an exciting new solution that, we'll only vaguely allude to when asked about" while Vance simply said that manses are just to far off to talk about.

Simple, blunt, and no time wasted.

>>52580543
Holden liked to think he was the ultimate hype machine but all he did was just the RPG equivalent of Donald Trump. "Oh yeah. We have a big plan for that. It's great. You'll love it when you see it."

>>52579966
The caste gives you a speed boost on level up abilities, that's it. An Eclipse can become a murder machine if he puts all of this xp into combat traits and a Dawn can be the best diplomat if he chooses so.
Though caste ability is quite useful if you know how to use it.
>>52580185
>Yozi can choose which ones they want to be their GSP
It doesn't work even with the trainwreck that is 2e.
>Yozi wants new Infernal
>Put an exaltation into a 1CD
>Send that 1CD into Creation or anywhere
>1CD encounters candidate who just fucks something up
>1CD offers exaltation
>That guy becomes a new Infernal

>>52580719
Yozi didn't get to pick their Exalted, in the same way that the Celestial Incarna couldn't get to pick their Exalted.

The Deathlords were unique in that they could shove their Exaltations into anyone.

>>52580663
I can at least a little understand that since from what leaks we've seen shit changes all over.
Evocations used to have a keyword where solars could perma learn them on any weapons, then it was emerald saphire afamant, now it's resonent and dissonant

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>>52580663

Really, his entire attitude can be summed up in his response to being asked for XP based chargen. The contempt is palpable.

For the record, I asked him if Craft in Ex3 would fix the Manse making system so you wouldn't just raise one with Sorcery, and he replied by going on about Wyld Shaping, completely missing the point of my question.

Incidentally, Craft does fix that particular problem. The single redeeming feature of the system.

>>52580733
And Lunar too can choose their caste don't they?
>tfw you just survive an avalanche but there's this pregnant boi appears before you blabbing something about furry and shit
>he's so beautiful you want fuck him too

>>52580743
>>52580752

I also honestly think it was made a little worse by Ex3's sales success. Holden and Morke used the sales figures to deflect a LOT of criticism of the game. I still believe that we might have seen this changeover happen much earlier if the book hadn't sold like hotcakes.

>>52580762
Lunars don't really choose it. Their caste is in constant flux, until another Lunar performs the Moonsilver tattooing ritual on them. It locks them into the caste that resonates most with them.

So you probably wouldn't have a bookish scholar becoming a Full Moon, though it is possible, just like it's possible for a bookish scholar to become a Dawn Caste, though it is unlikely in either case.

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Will someone remind me what the paranoia combo from 2e was?

>>52581043
Reflexive Sidestep Technique + Seven Shadow Evasion + Leaping Dodge Method.

It's been years since I've played 2e.

>>52581043
Reflexive surprise negator plus perfect defense that could negate bad touch effects, was the basic thing.

There was a more advanced form called a 2/7 filter but I forget how that works beyond recalling the numbers refer to combat resolution steps.

So how's the system? I was interested in Exalted ages ago but someone told me 3e was coming out, and I forgot about it until I saw this thread scrolling down. Is it a good time to pick this game up?

>>52581075
Ah yes, flurry breakers were also part of it.

>>52581043

First Excellency, Surprise Negator, Perfect Defence, Flurry Breaker.

>>52581086

Step 2, perfect defence; step 7, perfect soak.

>>52581043
You get an anti-surprise negator, flurry breaker, and a perfect defense Charm and them combo them into every other Charm you can use.

This is because otherwise, you make your big speech with Performance Charms and someone jumps out to kill you. Due to the combo rules, if you didn't have your surprise negator and perfect defense combo'd with your Performance Charms, you couldn't use them. This would be the one time you showed weakness and someone could kill you.

>>52581086
I think it's pretty good overall, though opinions vary. The general consensus seems to be that it's not exactly perfect, but it's a whole lot more playable in general than 2e.

I'd say now is as good a time to pick it up as any, especially considering we're starting to see actual new material for the first time since the core was released.

>>52580185
infernals only worked like that in chapter 1. the rest of the time it's more "find a potential solar who fucked up in some way and offer a second chance. between the nagging urge, mind twisting charms, and conditioning from using the excellencies, and the recent fuckup softening them up, you'll get as close to conditions to steer him into what they'd like to have chosen(those things you listed) as possible, the rest is wishful thinking"

>>52581276
so swlihn might want cold and willing to vivisect reality to see how it works...but what she gets is a partially broken twilight. so basically the same thing, she was a bad example. twilights are often nuts like that.;)

>>52581086
About as good as any other system out there, which is to say mileage may vary based on personal tastes and also it has a few rough spots.
Still a blast to actually play though.

>>52581086
It's a mechanics heavy, but if you enjoy lots of widgets, customization and options that's a positive.

>>52580026
You don't actually need Dexterity 5 to survive, not unless your group goes for that and the ST adjusts the enemies to be a better match for them.

>>52582202
I've heard this, but I'm not quite sure how well it bears out.

>>52582240
Decently well, in my experience. Against some enemies you want every bit of advantage you can muster, but most enemies are ones a combat-competent Solar is probably going to defeat anyways. The 2-die difference bewteen Dex 3 and Dex 5, 4-die difference when using full excellency, isn't enough to make such enemies suddenly unbeatable.

>>52582281
That is weird. I'd always assumed that it was a mathematical inevitability of a dicepool-based system that even a couple of dice were a huge advantage.

>>52582294
Of course they are. If a guy with Dex 3 and Dex 5 fight, the guy with Dex 5 is probably going to win, tjough assuming other stats and Charms of the combatants are similar, Mr. Dex 5 should still have to gove it his all. It's just that the advantage in question isn't actually needed against most enemies. Someone with Dex 5 will no doubt defeat a Fair Folk noble with more ease than someone with Dex 3, but both of them probably will win. Coiple of dice are a significant advantage, but not enough of an advantage to make someone without those couple of dice a complete punching bag.

>>52582294

You'll still be rolling more dice than you need to hit most opponents. You'll be a little less efficient, but you'll still win eventually.

The issue with Dex 5 isn't that it's impossible to survive without it, it's that it is by far the most efficient thing to max.

>>52582395

And this isn't even going into how those two dice might be in something like Stamina to synergize with a resistance build or something, which throws off the math quite a bit.

>>52582294
If you're at a slight dice disadvantage you'll definitely need to get lucky, but it won't be a one-sided curb stomp or anything. And just being behind 1 or 2 dice isn't game over. Now, a 4 dice or more disadvantage is a big fucking deal, but then you always have the option to stunt to close the gap a bit and keep it manageable.

>>52582412
Yeah, there's that, too. Dexterity matters a lot, probably too much, but it isn't the only thing that matters.

Hold old is the most recent edition?

So you can 'melt down' an artifact to get the magical material out right?

Does Striking Fury Claws and Tiger Form require extra successes each or do successes apply to both?

>>52582503
If you allow that, I wouldn't make it something that can be done casually. That's a unique wonder you're destroying for raw materials there, and there should be weight to that. No just chucking smashfists into a grinder and shrugging your shoulders.

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>>52579780

It's not that you can't fug the snek. It's can you stop the snek Goddess/Lunar from fuggin' you, son.

>>52578497
>>52578534
The reason Solars are resonant with every material is because in 3e, a big part of their theme is being the master of evocations:

"Masters of Evocations
Master artisans and warriors alike, the Solar’s journey is one of spiritual expression through physical means. In touch with an Essence greater than all others, the Solar may evoke the greatest of powers sleeping within their immortal panoplies."

Pretty explicit right there, while it is not mentioned at all for Abyssals. Vance commented on this, and said that it opens up room for Abyssals to get more strength elsewhere - I assume necromancy, but I could be wrong.

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>>52582496

A year or so. But it took 5 years of fumbling around to make, and it's been purposefully delay splat books by shithead writers who just got fired for purposefully delaying books to try and get more money.

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>>52582559
>That's a unique wonder you're destroying for raw materials there, and there should be weight to that. No just chucking smashfists into a grinder and shrugging your shoulders.

And yet most people are gonna do the latter, not the former. When you want a sword and all you got is fists, you better find someone to beat those fists into a sword.

Maybe make it a sword that shoots fists.

>>52582754
>And yet most people are gonna do the latter, not the former.

I know, but one can at least try to preserve the proper thematics.

>>52582503
Artifacts are generally indestructible. If you can figure out some way to destroy an artifact, presumably you can reuse the parts - they might even give you special benefits that carry through the artifact's previous existence.

But destroying something that's indestructible is obviously the hard part here. However you go about it, it's a lot harder than, "Press X to break it down into components you can use for crafting."

>>52582559
>>52582803
I would imagine it would be a pseudo superior project itself. Find something that could melt magical material in the first place and you could probably do it.

>>52580001
I can in the morning.

So, the Attribute spreads for the premades in the Quickstart adventure.

Cruel and disingenuous because they will lead less experienced or numerically analytical players to create characters that just straight up have fewer capabilities than the characters of other players at the table for no trade off?

Or earnest teaching tools to serve as a starting point for new players to compare their own creations to so that they may naturally acquire the system mastery necessary to prevent the XP/BP divide from fucking them in the ass?

>>52583442
Like any and all WW quickstart characters, cruel and disingenuous.

>>52583442
The attribute spread is fine for beating up all the enemies in the adventure.

>>52576570
Nice, do you have the EX3 Charm card pdfs?

>>52578025
Missing Charm?

I have an art request that I haven't been able to find with google and various sites so if one of you has this in a folder, I would be elated:

An Abyssal flashing full Anima banner who is a Dragon King instead of a human.

(I'm well aware that this is heresy. Still need the picture.)

I almost don't care what kind of Dragon King it is, nor what the Anima banner looks like because the players haven't met them yet and haven't seen either. but if I had a choice, I'd want a Mosok or Anklok (or if it's not an explicitly Exalted artwork, something that looks like a traditional dragon-man creature) with a dragon skull for anima banner.

But that is strictly secondary to any picture at all that looks like a dragon king warrior w/ anima banner

>>52584195

Blade Turning Body Technique was absent from the leaks, but was edited in for the final version that was never posted on the boards. If you have a version of the pdf with the charm, (and it wasn't simply commented in) could you please post it?

>>52576377

I'm surprised they're not doing the Castebook, or adventures. Like, I've always liked adventure modules. For Exalted, a module should just basically be a sandbox where your players can be unleashed to go wild.

Or maybe a whole forgettable region in Creation.

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>>52585024

Are non-human Exalts a normal thing in your game, or is this a one off thing?

>>52585460

1) Great picture, I love it.

2) It's actually a zero-off thing. The real fact of things is that this is a human Day Caste in a great disguise leading a cult of Dragon Kings but my players have swallowed the deception hook line and sinker. The Twilllight is busy hunting down and researching every scrap of knowledge and I reply some variation on "These sources also say it can't be done, you get the feeling there's something weird going on."

>>52578680

You have no fucking idea.

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>>52585544

That's pretty cool. I've no more warriors, but maybe your Abyssal is a sorcerer? It's my only other "lizardfolk with anima banner" type image.

>>52579020

It's funny, because a game like Wraith did the core concept with a lot more subtlety that anything I've seen before.

For instance, in Wraith, the whole point is that you're dead and gone. Trying to affect the real world is absurdly difficult, and dealing with your Shadow even more so. (Nearly all of the 'useful' Arcanoi are completely useless when interacting with the living, I'll point out. The ultimate level of Embody, which is 'almost as good' as being alive, has the caveat of being unable to channel any of your Passions at the risk of being flung back across the Shroud. And this is a game where Passions are the whole POINT!)

>>52579966

It doesn't affect your personality. There's a Night Caste who really, really wishes she was Zenith again. It's stated that the Unconquered Sun made her a Night Caste for that reason, so she wouldn't enjoy the work too much.

>>52580485

It's more that the Yozis are vast concepts, and they're monolithic concepts. Their absolute biggest problem was dealing with things outside their 'scope'. This, by the way, was how the Exalted killed them.

Basically, the humans blew their tiny minds.

>>52585582
>That's pretty cool. I've no more warriors, but maybe your Abyssal is a sorcerer? It's my only other "lizardfolk with anima banner" type image.

Oh yeah definitely a sorcerer, but in armor. I think I'll fiddle with contrast and maybe invert the colors on the first picture you posted, see if I can get a black-blue death flame effect going with the anima banner.

>>52581276

The funny part is, usually the Infernal-to-be fucks up because there isn't a spare shard. The demon is drawn to him, because the demon is carrying the shard that the mortal would otherwise get.

>>52582695
The problem with evocations and solar mastery of it, it's that I don't like it thematically. Dragonblooded should have a niche, and them being "we have like, a million artifacts" would be a theme that would make them actually dangerous.

>>52586022

Their niche is 'starter villain'.

>>52586057
Yeah well, I don't like that either.

>>52586067

Why? It's going to be years before you play as one anyway. Their whole gimmick is 'Not as good as Solars'.

>>52586077
Possibly. But I run dragonblood campaigns, I run campaigns that have mixed circles and I saw what happened with solars in 2nd as I watched splats being released back then too.
It's the same.

Solars gets some things that they are the masters off.
All others gets a new thing. One thing, that they are the masters off.
Except dragonblooded.
And then solars gets a way to get that thing. And then suddenly that other splat is equal or worse at their thing than solars, without their everything else category.

So, I want them to sit down, and give fun stuff to everyone else first and solars last.

>>52586057
that's a shitty niche>>52586077
so is this

>>52586135
I don't care if the dragon-blooded are the masters of stone cold fucking nothing. There's 10,000 of them. The Dragon-Blooded being too strong would destroy the setting, destroy what I enjoy about the Dragon-Blooded, and destroy what I enjoy about the Celestial Exalted.

Does anyone have a link to the quick-start? The one from earlier is down.

>>52586730

Created this folder, just for you. We can put it in the OP of the next thread. Hopefully, >>52583247 will post the final version of the backer charms so I can slot that in.

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>>52586789

>Forgot the link.

I need more sleep.

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b54o6teut3fx6/Exalted_3e

>>52586789
>>52586805
Many thanks.

>>52586523
Yeah but... but... my concerns about inter-splat balance should trump that because my friends have bruised feels if they have to play the same type of Exalt in the group even if there are granular ways beneath the splat level to distinguish them! I grew up on DnD and it informs how I think about every game! WHAT ABOUT ME? WHAT WILL *I* DO?

reminder that holden and morke are liars
ok notanautomaton
/pol/tards
Infernals

I heard Miracles is missing a charm? Do we know what kind of charm it is?

>>52586931
Anon, you do realize that >>52586135 didn't say that all types of Exalts should be equal? He said that they should all get fun stuff, and that Solars shouldn't get all of that fun stuff. Discussions often work out better if you address things people actually said instead of beating up strawmen.

>>52587004
Resistance charm called Turn the Blade. It was added on to the pdf with an edit.

>>52587004

A Resistance charm called Blade Turning Body Technique. +8 Soak; +5 hardness without any armour. Apocryphal.

>>52586931
>I grew up on DnD and it informs how I think about every game
Thanks for admitting you're retarded and not just pretending.

>>52587014
Why bother? Eventually another Exalted shitposter is gonna come in and they will make that argument then drag the entire discussion down into it. Or it'll be about Lunar shapeshifting tells. Or about Sidereal martial arts niche protection. or whatever fucking pet peeve these idiots want to carry on like a cross for actual years of their real life so that they can insert it into an argument like an unwanted political discussion during a casual dinner

All I'm doing is saving you time.
All discussions are political
Ok Holden
Paranoia Combos
"2E is at least out"
Godbound
unwarranted anime comparison

>>52580001
>>52583247
>>52586789
>>52586805
>>52586837

I bring you Charm Cards.

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/mq2kzzdarkqu9/Exalted

>>52582736
Wait, what? Holden and Morke got fired? What the hell happened? I swear to God, I stopped coming here for a few months and the wildest things happen.

>>52586931
ugg, jackass

>>52587749
Like... a week ago maybe 2?

>>52587749
Holden and Morke are out, Minton and Vance are in. Everything beyond that is supposition and rumor. There are some chat logs going around suggesting that Holden and Morke got salty for not getting paid over some bonus material they wrote and threatened to hold the line hostage unless they got more money, so Rich fired their asses. But that's all super secondhand and no way of really proving it.

>>52587302
>unwarranted anime comparison
Final Fantasy VII, Ninja Scroll and Dissidia: Final Fantasy were all cited as inspiration for various Exalted books

>>52587735

That's been zipped and uploaded with the others, thanks. By any chance do you have the final version of Miracles of the Solar Exalted? The one we have now is missing a charm which needed to be commented in.

>>52586135
Yeah, like that one time Lunars got shapeshifting and all of a sudden Solars could shapeshift too.
Or that other time where Abyssals got necromancy and a whole Underworld themed Charmset then Solars got the better of that too!
Oh wait.

>>52587831

Are you going to make a unified link to all the things so we just have 3 links in the OP for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd ed? Because the OP is ridiculous.

>>52587831
I apologize, I do not. I have a friend who has the book, perhaps we can crudely append a picture of the charm at the end of the PDF?

>>52587885

I'm just doing Ex3 for now, but I might make a pastebin containing links for everything just to clean up. I've not decided.

>>52587889

It's been put in as a comment already. It'd just be nice to have the proper thing. It's funny, though, going on about this because we're all too cheap to shell out $4 on DriveThruRPG to get the final copy.

>>52587798
I have mixed feelings about this. Holden and Morke were kinda dickish but sudden changes in production often spell the death of the line... though maybe that kind of shakeup is exactly what Exalted needed?

>>52587991

The new devs have done more in two weeks than what the old devs have done in nearly a year. We finally have a line of communication open, it's great!

>>52587830
Look at me I can't parse a criticism of fanbase behavior from criticism of the game itself!

Ok Shyft
"what happened to the wiki"
natural language
sharkdad
rapeghosts
whitewashing
DB's should be ATLA
"creation is flat so how does the horizon work"

>>52587873
you mean "token thing solars don't have, but is only a neglected and universally shittier version of sorcery(something they do have)" and "only one splat even interacts with animal rules, so why would we bother making them functional"?

also you do realize solars *do* get the very few "a whole Underworld themed Charmset" they might actually want because of the mirror keyword and 'black mirror revelation'?

>>52576454
>resonant
>dissonant

what?

>>52588030
>DB's should be ATLA

I still want this

>>52588030
What you said doesn't actually mean anything.
You talked about anime comparisons as unwarranted, as evinced by you using that word. I pointed out that various authors have admitted to being influenced by anime/RPGs in their work. That's not even criticism, that's matter of fact and right there in the book. Those fans you were criticizing? It's in their right to talk about Exalted as if it was what it basicaly is: Super Saiyan Achilles in E. Howard's Hyperborea.
Lastly, I don't know what a Shyft is supposed to be. Some cumrag out of SV?
Sarcasm is difficult on the internet, without accurate conveying of intent and having to actually comprehend the discourse at hand all, so practice a little in real life and stick to straight conversation here.

>>52588367

>arms of the chosen preview literally in the OP

>>52586209

That is literally their niche. If you don't like it, then thats too bad. DB's entire purpose has been to be entry level villains for your games.

It's like complaining orcs are shit after a few levels. Well, yeah. They're 1HD wankers and now you're fighting actual enemies.

>>52587965
I tried buying it the other day, but dtrpg was shitting itself and wouldn't take my payment.

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>>52588411
>The Solar Exalted are masters of Evocations, and may draw forth Resonant Evocations from any magical material.

>>52588481

And he was talking about Dragonblooded?

>>52588408
Ok let me come down off my 1 dot of socialize to 0. Let me spell it out for you: In every thread since the dawn of fucking time talking about powers/charms people want to make 1:1 comparisons of powers in anime. They don't know the difference between inspired by and directly being that thing. They don't care about the essence of that influence they care about their attachment to the source material.

I assume you also don't know the difference. I also assume because you're on the internet talking about "rights" of people to talk about things because you support that stupid position.

Ok RichT
Lilun
Breeding Camps
"Problematic"
ashtonkutcherface.jpg
Solaroid
Dreams of the First Age apologism
"Charms are too discrete things!"

>>52588509
I'm talking about Solars though

>>52587302
>>52588030
>>52588541
Why don't do everyone a favor and kill yourself?

>>52588608

I don't know, I think he's got a point. It's the same shit over and over again.

>>52588460

Are you getting the same problem now as well?

If I have Guild Contacts 5, could I reasonable expect to have access to any Crafting Materials I need?

>>52588697
Just got it. Here is the version with the missing Charm included.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/g4iif2fcpyziuso/Miracles_of_the_Solar_Exalted.pdf

>>52588608

Ok emeraldstreak
Mirror keyword
simulationism
"1E wasn't great either you know!"
Djala
Cosmic lottery
BP/XP split
"Withering attacks don't make any sense!"

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>>52588861

>Scholar
>Gentleman

Pick two.

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>>52588995
I feel honored. I hope it serves anons well. We're getting ready to start our campaign, so I am pretty pumped.

>>52586022
>>52586135
The Dragon-Blooded already get resonant evocations. Unless you think their "niche" should be getting resonant evocations with every material??

I don't think you understand that Dragon-Blooded already do have a niche that Solars can't touch, and it is being a master of the five elements. Not only that, they get dynastic and familial relationships that none of the other Exalted do. Playing a Dragon-Blooded in a mixed splat game is only going to hurt the latter theme, not to mention they're just much weaker than the Celestial Exalted.

>All others gets a new thing. One thing, that they are the masters off. Except dragonblooded.

They're the masters of the five elements, as expressed by their native charms. The devs are making their charmset even more elemental themed, which I hope will turn out great.

>>52590398
I don't think you understand that Dragon-Blooded already do have a niche that Solars can't touch

Being garbage tier?

>>52590424

No, that niche has been provided to everyone else now, too. Part of the whole "flattening power curve" and "Players have been bitching for 2 editions now that their DB sucks balls in a mixed game and why can't DB's be Solar tier and...".

>>52586022

>Dragonblooded should have a niche, and them being "we have like, a million artifacts" would be a theme that would make them actually dangerous.

Uhhh, but they are extremely dangerous in 3e already?? The removal of perfect spam and the base 3e system went a long way towards that. AND they also have "like a million artifacts" too? It even says that being the inheritors of a trove of artifacts is part of their themes. You're conflating 'niche' with strongest at X thing.

Sounds like you're full of shit and you just want Dragon-Blooded to be even more powerful, which would just do bad things to the setting.

>>52588203
None of this is true in 3e, so hold your bitching until the books are actually released.

>>52590398
>I don't think you understand that Dragon-Blooded already do have a niche that Solars can't touch, and it is being a master of the five elements.
OK, that's cool and all but what the fuck does it mean? Does it even mean anything?

>>52576399
I don't know Minton even a bit, but I like him already.

On a side note, do you guys do sheet checks?

>>52590597
I need to do one. One of my Essence 1 players has Celestial bliss trick and the one that makes anyone a valid sexual target.

>>52590592
Yes? They get elemental powers. They can wreathe their sword in flame, shoot bolts of elemental energy, etc.

That is part of why you play Dragon-Blooded, because you think that shit is cool and no other Exalt is about that.

>>52590624
Sounds like my kind of player.

>>52590661
No you play them because they're the strongest. Power level is the only reason to play anything btw.

>>52588613
But he's not making a point. I mean, literally, unambiguously, there is no actual substance to any of his posts.

>>52590685
There might actually not be a single person alive who wants DBs to be the strongest. Dragon-Blooded having a thing of their own that isn't just about aesthetics is the most anyone's asked. Now, whether you agree with that desire or not is one thing, but misrepresenting the position of people who hold that position is just childish.

>>52590736
what does "a thing of their own that isn't just aesthetics" mean? Mastery of the elements isn't just aesthetics, and it won't just be aesthetics if Vance does his job.

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>>52590736

Not that guy, but I honestly dislike DB's because every goddamn DB player I've ever had in mixed games has always wanted to be "Solar but with fire/water/whatever because Avatar lols". I'm not even exaggerating. Every fucking one of them. Avatar basically poisoned the DB well to boot, and all of these shitters want to special fucking snowflakes of the highest order.

Your experiences may differ of course, and mine may be unique. But seeing that shit in action game after game, while also seeing people bitch about Solar power levels makes me just consider the whole fucking thing is pretty much nothing but DB players whining that their choice isn't the top dog of the power realm, because they want to be Korra or whatever the fuck. As far as I'm concerned the whole reason anything has been getting nerfed this edition is pretty much because people whining that DB's die too easily to what they're supposed to die easily to. At which point it makes me question if people even understand that a DB's advantage is supposed to be numbers: You're gonna die, your friend is gonna die, and so is his friend, but maybe the 6th or 7th guy in the line will avenge you all, and if not, theres always 8, 9, 10...

>>52578144
This. This is awesome. I need more of this art in my life.

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>>52590823

I collect good art. It's what I do. Beyond playing and running and bitching about Exalted, anyway. These are actually from a CCG called Shadowverse. Lot of good art in there.

>>52590816
To be fair, the power level of Solars in 2e was pretty ridiculous. Calling into question where the Usurpation would even be possible at all, the gap was that huge.

>>52590816

>Solar but with fire/water/whatever because Avatar lols

Do yo have stories of bitching? Bitching about how they should be stronger? You do, don't you? Care to share them?

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>>52590856

Funny part is 1E had them at an even bigger gap. 2E actually lessened Solars powers by quite a bit while simultainously buffing the living shit out of NPC's and everyone else.

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>>52590881

I do, but I don't really care to share them because it's pretty much the painfully generic kind of whining you'd expect it to be like "Why does his Charm do X mine should do X why does he have a bigger dice pool my dice pool should be" sprinkled in with the occasional Avatar references or every goddamn Earth DB player wanting to be Toph for some reason.

>>52590736
Other than elemental powers, Dragon-Blooded also get to pass on their Exalted lineage through the blood (no one else can do this), they have access to the remaining legacy of the first age - warstriders, airships, etc, and they get to have an entire empire of intrigue and dynastic politics all to themselves.

>Dragon-Blooded having a thing of their own that isn't just about aesthetics is the most anyone's asked. Now, whether you agree with that desire or not is one thing, but misrepresenting the position of people who hold that position is just childish.

Who is the one misrepresenting positions now? They don't just want them to have a thing of their own, they want them to be more powerful too. DBs already have plenty of things unique to them, but the one thing that that anon asked for more 'niche protection' on was personal power (evocations), not a stronger focus on the dynasty or w/e.

>>52590882
What are you talking about? DB's were worse off in 2nd edition than in 1st edition. In 2nd edition DB's didn't get access to the 4th Excellency so their dice pools were universally garbage in comparison. Further they didn't get access to Perfect Defenses they could use against other Exalted, and so they were barely speedbumps against a competently built Solar.

>>52588805
Sure, if you also have the dosh to buy them.

>>52591001
I was thinking more of an agreement of "Guild gives me materials, I give them the assembled artifact, and we split the profits."
All I really need is practice crafting.

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>>52590967

Two words: Stacked Persistents. Remember, 1E had a system where you had to split your pools to account for attack and defense. Solars could put up scene-long, full-defense-against-every-attack Charms, that allowed them to both block and dodge every attack. Couple that with outright mindrape as their Social Charms (ie: no one had any defenses, it was just "I roll and you are now my cocksleeve for all eternity"), and some generally nasty Charms sprinkled in here and there, and Solars were literally untouchable.

Solars got a massive downgrade when 2E hit, and everyone else got an upgrade. The only thing that got worse was Perfectspam now being a thing. But now Social Charms weren't just "lol 100% unavoidable mindrape" all the time, and up until your players realized "Hey, everything kills you in 1 hit now because of the retarded damage system, we better make combos that make us unkillable", DB's had an actual fighting chance for the first time in Exalted.

>>52591031
That wouldn't be all just in Contacts, Contacts would give the people to talk to to set this up. You'd have to make the deals and everything yourself.

>>52591049
Stacked persistents were stupid because they were a 'one true build' - I hope you didn't think any other build than melee + dodge was viable - and it was extremely tedious and boring to play. A Sidereal could get stacked persistents too, so against Celestials there was definitely more to it than 'lol I have double persistents'

As for the mindrape charms, a Sidereal had stupid bullshit fate powers that were just as bad. Shun the Smiling Lady? Transcendent Hatchet of Fate?

Solars were a big deal in 1e, but it wasn't as lopsided as you're making it out to be.

>>52590816
I don't get a lot of people wanting DBs to be STRONGER so much as wanting Solars to be not as strong, and also a lot of people wishing that DBs were the lead splat of the game rather than Solars.

>>52591260
Yeah, but I think this is a legacy of non-solar charmsets in 2e, except infernals, just being watered down version of what solars got or shitty ports from 1e.

As long as 3e's splats have unique charms that are fun to play, no one will bitch about Solars being the strongest. I hope.

>>52591337
I'm less sure, as in my experience many of those folks DO genuinely have a lot of fun playing DBs even with the charms being somewhat troublesome at times. I don't think DBs getting a good charmset will really do much to throw water on their burning hate of Solars.

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>>52591260
Weakening Solars has the same effect as strengthening the rest, and I honestly don't want either of those to happen. I got into Exalted because it wasn't a game about balance, but because it was a game about playing some crazy Godking who is back among the world and now theres hell to pay. Unfortunately, the ugly dragons of "players want" and "muh balance" have been rearing their heads for 2 whole editions now, and it's really done little to help the game be unique anymore. If anything, it's starting to feel more like D&D with anime weaponry than Exalted at this point, because it seems everyone wants this super condensed power tiering to the point it doesn't seem to meaningfully matter what you are anymore.

I also honestly wish people would stop wanting DB's for the core. They're the least interesting Exalts by a mile because most of their lore reads like shit cribbed directly from, and have the most dead on generic power set.

>>52591233

One True Build exists in damn near every game system, though. Perfectspam was 2E's One True Build. The thing I was saying though was that the power gulf between Solars and DB's was incredibly bigger in 1E than 2E. At least in 2E you no longer had to split actions just to defend yourself and Social stuff had an actual rules set to it.

>>52591337

People never seem satisfied, sadly. At this point I almost wonder how exactly the fuck they got into playing Exalted in the first place, considering their hateboner for the core book of the game. It's like playing D&D and hating all of the core classes and only wanting to be CW Samurai or some shit and then bitching even a Fighter is better than you.

>>52578863
If they don't know what to do with Lunars they should look to their Patron. Luna is so much, so many human shapes, arcane secrets and divine beasts. They could rewrite Lunar caste breaking from the castes showing the phases of luna to stranger aspects of her, like Full Moons being reflections of her nature als the 'all-beast', the ever changing monstrous being that is her most primal part, changing moons her many faces as goddess of the moon, making changing moons master of disguise in mind and apperance, stealing intimacies, memories, shapes as predators of the court and no moons embodying her draw on the strange, arcane and secret things from beyond the world.
Also less charms with monstrously great effects, except for feats of strength, that suits lunars pretty well and more ability to adapt to any kind of situation.
And cutting the shape part out of shapeshifting.

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>>52591447
>They're the least interesting Exalts by a mile because most of their lore reads like shit cribbed directly from

Oops. Cribbed from OWoD, because it's all about politics and backstabbing and generally being the least pleasant cunts in all of existence while simultainously trying to prop itself up under the weight of it's own bullshit in the least "realistic" ways possible.

>>52591494
yeah but people seem to like that shit a lot for some reason. muh realpolitik!

>>52579562
Who is suma?

>>52591447

>One True Build exists in damn near every game system, though.

Is there one for Ex3? It seems that everything has some sort of exploitable weakness. Even Melee, which otherwise does everything.

>>52591447
>People never seem satisfied, sadly. At this point I almost wonder how exactly the fuck they got into playing Exalted in the first place, considering their hateboner for the core book of the game.

I've heard tell that in original pitches for Exalted, Dragon-Blooded WERE actually going to be the core game splat, and I believe this belief (true or not) fuels that fire a lot.

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>>52591523

Yeah, and thats fine, but I certainly do not want that to be the whole and only focus of the game like DB's tend to make it. I've not got much tolerance for playing some wanker sitting around trying to eke out a metaphorical pat on the back from a 200 year old senior who is somehow in control of what is essentially a multinational conglomerate corporation, yet still has all the time in the world to fuck around with the newly hired desk jockeys by making them go fetch the morning coffee for no real discernable reason other than that they somehow have time on their hands despite supposedly running this shit.

>>52591547
What is melee's weakness?

anybody have a port of gravehounds to 3e?

>>52591031
What you want is something more like Backing. That includes both support from and responsibility to a group.

>>52591644

It's weakness is probably that you can only have 1 Supernal at a time, and thus can't back it up with all of the great Resistance stuff until you get some EXP under your belt.

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>>52591557

If you're basing your idea of how a game should play on a rumor of how it might have been long ago during the earliest ideas of the game, you might as well probably not play that game, or make your own game instead.

Also I have no idea if that is true or a rumor.

>>52590686
>Failing to understand parody
>Probably one of the people being parodied

Ok turkeygiant
Heroin pissing dinosaurs
"usurpation isn't /technically/ possible by RAW"
Elemental dragons are Gaia's souls
Rape camps
"If it has stats I should be able to kill it"
The sun is a giant spaceship
Craft is terrible
Magitech is good/bad/necessary/stupid
"Well I've been playing Exalted since 1E and.."
Solars charms steal thematics from [fave splat] Q.Q

>>52591644
It doesn't really have a weakness so much as its not as good as doing what the other combat abilities do - massive brute force in Brawl, range and alphastrikes in archery, being an asshole in thrown.

And that you're not forced to buy melee like 1e because in 3e you cannot stack parry and dodge. Melee is incredibly strong but its not a one true build.

>>52591447
boo hoo, my ridiculously overpowered solar godking can't *quite* steamroll the entire realm fresh out of chargen. those nerfing bastards made it take at least a week. AND I'd have to cooperate with my circle. for shame.

lol. considering the original solar concept was more like hercules or achilieis and less "superman on steroids with a lantern ring and also wizard powers and also he gets everybody else's toys too" I'd say they're still doing alright on the powercurve

>>52591709
Remember: Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. Compiling other shitposts just leaves you with a pile of shit.

You can't really discuss the specifics of relative power level in 3e without the other splats being released anyway.

What is still true is that Solars are on top, but we only have a rough idea of what that means mechanically. If the difference is like the difference between Mastery and Terrestrial for martial arts, then I think 3e will be fine.

>>52591772
99% sure shitposting is the idea here so calling him out as a shitposter isn't going to accomplish much but smug self-satisfaction

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>>52591714

>>52580485
There is nothing wrong with the last two. Even though the nature of the Yozis was portrayed a bit wrong. They are, afterall, the living concepts they are, they have to be idiot savants by definition and that makes them actually interesting, them being their charms makes even sense in that context and even if people complain about them being pretty much robots, much of that fact stems from the charmsets in 2e being too small to represent to nigh infinite greatness that is a yozi in it's domain. It also makes sense that Yozis would split solar exaltations by their caste, Malfeas would not even understand how Eclipse or Twilight even CAN be useful, while brute force is something he understands better than anyone.

>>52591709
I'm contributing to the thread what everyone else here is by that metric. If anything I should be lauded as a traditionalist who has respect for his community's roots!

Ok raziere
Beast People are human too
"Mathematically the population of creation..."
[Shitty Homebrew Exalt Shilling]
"WHY DIDN'T THEY CHANGE [foundational game concept] in this edition?!"
Ask the Devs questions you know the answer to
Pretending to know things about design
Solar/Lunar Bond Ships
"I've never played IRL"
Perfect of Paragon
Celestial Xbox

>>52591709

You should adopt a trip.

>>52592130
Thats the thing. Each of those posts have been a different person.

>>52592155
truly we are in a vortex of shit

>>52591634
It's more like the heir apparent to the family business trying to eke out a pat from the old granduncle who's retired from the day-to-day affairs of said family business but still sits in the board of directors and owns sizable protion of the company. Do you actually have difficulty seeing how that might make sense, anon?

>>52591557
IIRC, the way it was gonna go was that Dragon-bloods would have been the core splat and would basically have told the story from the viewpoint of the Immaculates and the Dynasts; that the Solars and Lunars were terrible demons who stole the power of the Celestines and enslaved the world for untold centuries until they were justly overthrown by the Dragon-blooded, and that everything was fine and dandy until the Solars started coming back in higher numbers. It would later be revealed in the Solars book that all of that was bullshit, and that Solars were good guys who were corrupted, not inherently bad Anathema.

It's an interesting idea, but the devs correctly guessed that building the core on an incorrect view of the setting would be very unwise, and went with the Solars first.

>>52590843
Thank you very much good sir, please continue along your awesome ways.

>>52591644
Not being able to grab your anima and throw it our of stealth to kill someone. And succeeding at it.
On that note: fuck thrown.

>>52592380

I think that another thing was that if you define the guys that come out first as being the absolute strongest, you can sort of reign in a bit of power creep by people being able to easily compare the core with what's new or incoming. Also, people generally tend to want to play as the strongest there is, so if you make the strongest guys the core option, you get rid of people who'd buy two of the books, and then ignore most of the core.

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>>52592423

Anything character-centric tends to work for most character art. So card games (since art tends to focus on one thing there), fighting games, video game art books, etc.

>>52592380
I think I'd have liked that version a bit better, not for the 1e book, but maybe the 3e reboot now that it's actually established anyway

>>52590816
>all of these shitters want to special fucking snowflakes of the highest order.
???

Do you even know what role-playing games are for, anon?

Captcha: Slow Children at Play :p

>>52592380
Oh that reminds me, I've seen people who actually do run DB games that do take the tack of the Immaculate view of the world being correct, heh.

>>52592653
But if it's a reboot then it isn't established, is it? Besides, the core book now serves the same audience and purpose of the core books before, part of which is to bring in new players, so it would still be a mistake to bait-and-switch them now.

>>52580124
Soulsteel has been around since the early days of Creation.

>>52592913
Wasn't that sort of a retcon, though? An "oh, wait, we accidentally gave Autochthon soulsteel before the Underworld exists" sort of deal. Is there any mention of Soulsteel pre-dating the Underworld outside of the context of Alchemicals?

Does anyone have the quickstart adventure?

>>52580485
>>52580527
Seriously, they are. I don't know what triggered you. Abyssals are murder exalts, Infernal castes are tied to the Yozis in 2e. They picked out their favorites and everything.

>>52593067
With Abyssals I can kind of see it because at one point there was this thing about "Abyssals aren't the Exalts of death, they're the Exalts of MURDER" that didn't go over too well with a lot of people.

>>52593107
That was dumb since they are clearly the Exalted of death, made specifically to kill the world and everything in it

>>52578829
Is there something I'm not getting here? All he seems to be saying he doesn't want to repeat himself and being a little snide about someone saying his name wrong. I'm not seeing any rage-tastic rants about how 'muh MRAs are ruining my reverse-power-fantasy'. I want the rage, dammit.

>>52593020

It's in here >>52586805

>>52582736
Goddamn, now I want to have a jackal totem lunar.

On that note, do we have any not-egypt cultures in the south?

>>52593146
Thanks a bunch

>>52583483
Can one create a chargen solar that can fight and defeat all five of the premade solars simultaneously?

>>52593140
Nevermind, I read a little bit up and down and HOLY FUCK I thought people were exaggerating when they said RPG.net is a rampaging SJW hellhole. I don't see that much concentrated entitled shitbag even on TUMBLR.

A mod seriously shut down someone's argument by dismissing it off-hand and then another mod tells him not to post in that thread ever again? I mean, maybe calling it "Feminist Dismissal: The Game" was a little too harsh, but that was some disproportionate retribution there.

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I grabbed this picture from the previous thread. Anyone know where it comes from? Google shows me nothing.

I kind of love it. Using it for my scholarly Dawn.

>>52593395
No.

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>>52593199

I'm actually running a whole Lunar Not-Egypt citystate at the moment for a character that got abducted by their leader, this guy.

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>>52593470

And yes, I love egyptian aesthetics in things. Blues, golds, the designs, etc. Love that stuff.

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>>52593492

And yeah I just am using this as an excuse to give you some art and also post some of my favorites.

>>52593408

I posted that, and I don't know where I got it from. Sorry man. I've got so much stuff from over the years I barely remember where half of it came from.

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>>52593523

Really wish Exalted would shove a Not-Egypt into the setting. Even if it were a small city or something.

>>52582688
Hooora hoora~

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>>52593536
>>52593540

Said Not-Egypt also had a little war with an invasive Snake totem Lunar.

She got BTFO'd by their leader.

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>>52593595

And of course, the city-state is basically beastmen. Not so much with the beast part anyway, it extends to about having the traditional animu ears style shit here.

And all of them having slightly buffed Perception and sense of smell/hearing. The Lunar's daughter.

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>>52593536

it'd slot in quite nicely in the South, considering that Direction is based off of Africa. Isn't Anubis a Jackal, by the way?

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>>52593669

I think he was supposed to be, I dunno, been a while since I read any mythology stuff.

the south is too busy being not!muslim. allaht would either kill or convert ancient egypt

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>>52593752

Yeah, too much of the South is basically that.

>>52593780
At least it's not aggressively turning the entire direction to shit than halta, right? ;)

>>52593752
>>52593780
Is it, really? Chiaroscuro and the Delzahn are obviously influenced by Arabian culture, bbut they're not exactly not!muslims. Harborhead has something resembling monotheism, but aside from that they aren't that close to Muslims, either. Paragon, Gem, the Lap, Varangian city-states...none of them really fit that description.

>>52593862
Harborhead is more East Africa than anything.

>>52593669
The jackal represented Anubis. This stemmed from the way jackals would often prowl through graveyards because they were attracted by the smell of carrion. In turn they became viewed as protectors of the dead.

Anubis himself was the god who would way an individual's heart against a feather. If your heart weighed more than the feather, because of the sins you committed, he would feed you to Ammit, the crocodile monster-god.

>>52593946
I thought anubis wasn't actually a jackal but some other possibly mythical possibly extinct creature that was /like/ a jackal?

>>52593752
Maybe the south west replacing references to the Nile with the ocean

>>52593974
That's Set.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_animal

>>52593974
Exactly.

The Egyptians called the creature Anubis was based on the golden jackal, because they were retarded and believed it was a jackal. Recent genetic testing however showed that golden jackals are not actually part of the jackal family but are actually part of the wolf family. So modern scientists have renamed the creature the Golden Wolf instead.

So fuck those ancient Egyptians for not using DNA tests and mistaking a wolf for a jackal, right?

>>52592965
It may have been a retcon, but it does sort of track with Auto's death cancer. The minable soulsteel tumors growing inside of him are a symptom of the death essence corrupting his systems.

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Should we make a new OP? Here's what I'm thinking of using for the next thread.

>What is Exalted?
An epic high-flying role-playing game about reborn god-heroes in a world that turned on them.
Start here: http://theonyxpath.com/category/worlds/exalted/

>That sounds cool, how can I get into it?
Read the 3e core book (link below). For mechanics of the old edition, play this tutorial: http://mengtzu.github.io/exalted/sakuya.html
. It’ll get you familiar with most of the mechanics.

>Gosh that was fun. How do I find a group?
Roll20 and the Game Finder General here on /tg/.

Resources for Third Edition
>3E Core and Splatshttps://www.mediafire.com/#b54o6teut3fx6

>Arms of the Chosen Preview
https://www.dropbox.com/s/15xddoahzedtkwu/Arms%20of%20the%20Chosen%20Preview.docx?dl=0

>Other Ex3 Resources
https://pastebin.com/fG1mLMdu

>Resources for Older Editions
https://pastebin.com/GihMPwV8

>>52594366
Throw in some links to non-EX3 systems like Blood & Fire or FateXalted and I'm all good.

>>52594366
>>52595437
Let's not.

>>52595529
A lot of us in the general love the setting and hate every official version of the system. It's not a bad thing to show people that there are already options for playing in Exalted without using any of the existing editions. But whatever, man.

>>52594366
Just kill yourself.

>>52595437
You too.

>>52595601
If you want that to be in the OP then you make the threads. Don't get on your knees and beg someone else to do it.
>But whatever, man.
You must be a very insecure man, getting so defensive immediately after meeting any resistance to your idea, and yet also backing away to avoid further confrontation. Be less of a fag and maybe people will listen to you.

>>52595529
>>52595680

So that's a "No" on the new, smaller OP? What's wrong with it? How could it be improved?

>>52595732
New, smaller op would be great. We just have some luddite fags is all.

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>>52595774

Just the usual, then?

Do you guys prefer Death of Obsidian Butterflies or Flight of the Brilliant Raptor?

>>52596713
Death of obsidian butterflies. It's just such a fucking cool spell.

>>52596713
It depends if I have a circlemate with Will-Bolstering Method for infinite damage.

>>52596713
It depends on the character

>>52596713
Brilliant Raptor. I have found a pleasant amount of utility in lighting large amounts of things on fire from a distance.

What are some good non-solar charms wit hteh Eclipe keyword for an Eclipse caste to learn?

>>52594039
thanks, that's what i was thinking of

>>52596713
Am I reading it right? Is butterflies really undogeable AND doesn't reset initiative? Whats to stop someone from building up to high int and then spamming?

>>52597562

15sm.

>>52597597
This, plus get over there and punch him in the face already.

>>52597562
Because you don't actually use your initiative to roll damage. You don't even roll damage, really. You deal automatic, hardness-bypassing damage equal to Essence + extra successes, which is not usually as high as you'd hope.

>>52597597
So a genuine tag team strategy is a sorcerer who builds int with thrown/archery and then does sorcery shit all the while defended by a dedicated defend other guy who also probably has archery thrown. I like it.

>>52594242
>symptom

nah, it's made out of him smiting a bunch of "grey alien" looking mortals who worshiped him. they tried to use tech to trap him as a powersource so he flash-soulforged their entire civilization or something

>>52597680
It's not hardness bypassing

>>52597681

I like a Dodgr-supernal who uses Poised Lion to mock enemies into attacking him while shaping Sorcery, crashing the attackers with dodge charms, stealing all their init, then sending at back at them in a raging ball of fire.

>>52597860
Reread the rules for Hardness. Hardness only works when countering dicepools. Butterfiles has no dicepool; its damage is Raw, and isn't stopped by Hardness.

>>52597879
"Raw damage' means a dicepool. If it did levels of damage, it would say "levels".