What elements are necessary for an Alexander the Great analogue

the gayness

Buggery and lots of it.

Taking on an older and prestigious empire. Then beating up all kinds of barbarians in exotic places, dividing power because what you conquered got too big to handle on your own. The dream of seeing the end of the world, touching the bottom of the ocean and meeting the dead in a land far beyond.

And butt stuff. Lots of butt stuff.

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>>52566944
Recruiting forces and people as he goes along

>>52566957
>>52567007
>>52567017
>Greek
>Suddenly gayness
Sasuga /tg/

>>52567206
He was a Macedonian, though.

>>52566944
>bruh hold my cervisia while I untagle this knot
>bruh hold my cervisia while I conquer the known world
>bruh hold my cervisia while I found another city
>bru hold my cervisia while I chuck this javelin at you
>Bru? BRUUUUUU!!!!

The story of Alex and his brus.

>>52567206
>contemporary sources speculating that he was fucking his best bro with full homolust
>le greek queers meme
no

>not doing a Napoleon analogue instead
baka desu

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>Lel butt stuff. Le Gay XD.
The fuck you guys get your education?

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>>52566944
>What elements are necessary for an Alexander the Great analogue besides being young and unstoppably good at conquering stuff?
Picrelated.

>>52568219
I bet you believe romans were straight too.

>>52566944
Great logistics
Charismatic af
Starting up with extremely loyal and well-motivated troops
At least half-decent tactics
Dragging bunch of scholars with your army

>>52568086
Change places and importance of logistics and tactics

>>52567420
>Maccies
>greek

This meme will never die.

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>>52568222
Your pic related is more my pic related than it is Alex. The only difference is Reinhard died young.

>>52568285
when the fuck did i even imply that

>>52567352
>Bruh, hold my cervisia while I build a land bridge to kick the shit out of these island chumps

Be an incredible conquering leader, but really shitty at naming stuff

>>52566944
charisma, making allies / recruitment, ambition

>>52566944
They need their daddy to do all the work of setting them up to accomplish anything.

Fights hard and parties way harder

>>52568710
Alexander is a beautiful name, fuck you.

he also frontlined all the time despite being the general

>>52568312
Wasn't his son a homo who basically became suicidical after his dad had his lover executed?

>>52568269
But Nappy had both logistics and tactics down well

My setting version of Alexander is a wannabe blacksmith you couldn't make a regular sword. One night he got piss drunk and woke up with a sword in his hand. He figured he made it while drunk. He then decide to go test it out only to end up conquering half the continent and freeing the elves from the bird people.

His sword is now on display in the grand temple

He never actually made the sword he just stole it.

>>52568759
No, Frederick II the Great he was the homo and tactical genius. His father was also keen on military, tho

>Not doing a Caesar analogy instead
Bruh, do you even constant political backstabbing?

>>52568745
>I'm going to name this city after myself: Alexandria
>I'm going to name this other city after myself as well: Alexandria
>See this ancient and really important city in Egypt? Fuck it, it's Alexandria now

Alexander characters need to

>Inherit a solid position from their predecessor
>Have a god-tier combined arms doctrine
>Be a conquer
>Want to merge his people with the ones hes conquered through marriage
>Go a bit mad towards the end
>Die young resulting in a fragmented empire

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>>52569302
>Want to merge his people with the ones hes conquered through marriage

>The generic brilliant conqueror guy from my setting is an orc
>The lands he's currently expanding into are owned by elves

>>52569206
>His father was also keen on military, tho
Worth noting that his father was much less keen on actually waging war. Wilhelm the first did just one small campaign against the swedes and that's it.

>>52569315
That's fine, just be aware Alexander was hated for forcing his men to marry local nobility. Once he died pretty much all these marriages ended.


Also if hes conquering a bunch of random areas that are not a single unified threat (tribes of elves that confederate to fight him) you should go with a Caesar figure like >>52569236 said, Alexander defeated an Empire and annexed it. His other campaigns weren't as impressive.

>>52568870
That's a shame. Having him keep his janky, crooked sword would demonstrate to his people that flesh is stronger than steel. Good swords are only tools for good swordsmen, who are nothing but tools for good strategists, who are nothing but tools for good leaders. A leader doesn't need a good sword at his hip because he has thousands of good swords in his thrall.

>>52569405
Alexander fought in his battles, he would appreciate a good sword.

>>52569443
That was some needless risk-taking, no wonder he died so young.

>>52569458
>no wonder he died so young
Not in battle, though. His sword served him well.
>needless
Maybe, but that's something that gains you a lot of respect from your soldiers. We spoke about Frederic before, who also was very present on the battlefied and sometimes led charges.

>>52568254
Romans and Greeks didn't care about the straight/Gay/Bi stuff. Heck, no one cared until 150 or less ago.

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>>52569500
A lot of well-respected generals were close to the frontlines. Caesar was well-known (and beloved by his soldiers) for being pretty much directly behind the frontlines during pivotal battles like Alesia, and Napoleon's charge at Arcole remained one of the most prominent moments of his carreer (and was later on eagerly used in propaganda. Surprisingly Toulon much less so, the battle where Napoleon actually got stabbed in the thigh by a British bayonet).

Personally I'd say that even today everyone loves a leader who leads by example.

>>52569500
He took a lot of wounds in battle, which likely caused the perforated bowel that caused his eventual death.

>>52569535
Being *near* the front lines so you can see what's going on is not the same thing as being in the front line and fighting. One is understandable, especially in an era when the fastest way to get intelligence is having a guy on a horse come over and tell you. The other is a waste.

>>52569355
He's is famed as the "Soldier King" because he build the Prussian Military up, to become one of the most effective forces in Europe.

>>52569206
>No, Frederick II the Great he was the homo and tactical genius.

He was considered insanely brash by the standards of a society of nobles that loved to style itself after the image of greek demigods. Dude clearly was looking for suicide by war all his life.

I'm a bit of an Alexander fanboy, so I feel pretty happy to bring this up. First Alexander is not someone you actively want in your campaign. He's too big, too almost-perfect. Frankly it's hard to show him without making him a Mary-Sue. Other than his weirdly close relationship with his snake-worshipping mom and his alcoholism the man didn't really have flaws. He won every battle and he won damn near all of them in a big way. Still, I AM a fanboy so feel free to draw your own conclusions; mine are glowingly positive. Also fuck Oliver Stone.

If he's in the same campaign active at the same time as the PC's then they will want to kill him. If they don't kill him then they'll feel railroaded and overshadowed by a DMPC mary sue. Better to put him in the history books or make him the BBEG.

Now, let's talk about who he was and his accomplishments.

Alexander started off in Macedonia under his father Philip the Great. Philip was top-tier and actually raised Alexander properly to be a successor to him. Alex got an education in Greece from Aristotle himself. This was hugely influential. He was essentially on the cutting edge of science and philosophy at the time and would regularly send back plants and animals for Aristotle to study from his campaigns. Alexandria in Egypt where the great library would eventually be built was designed with these principles in mind; so wind would naturally cool the city in the hot summer, settled in an unsettled yet ideal location for a large city. He aspired to be a philosopher-king in a very real way. We also have a few of his words on the matter:

"Alexander to Aristotle, greeting. You have not done well to publish your books of oral doctrine; for what is there now that we excel others in, if those things which we have been particularly instructed in be laid open to all? For my part, I assure you, I had rather excel others in the knowledge of what is excellent, than in the extent of my power and dominion. Farewell." (Source Plutarch)

>>52569790
Fanboy harder over him, there is much to learn.

>>52568781
Let's put it this way:
Alexanter, 2k years earlier, had better logistics than Napoleon in his best moment (fighting in west-most parts of Prussia).
On the other hand, Alexander was pretty unremarkable tactician, all things considered.

>>52569865
Tactics < Strategy < Logistics.

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>>52569790
cotd.
He was also instructed in how to fight and he was supposedly extremely good at it. Pankration later became the parent of many later Asian martial arts and presumably many lost European ones as well. He was also great at mounted warfare, spear and sword, leadership, and... well, basically everything people knew how to do at the time.

We do have a quote of how much fighting he did in person over later years, but it's important to remember that he was not like modern military leaders. He led from the front and very nearly died because of it many, many times. First, a description of the aftermath of his career from the man himself,

"'Perhaps you will say that, in my position as your commander, I had none of the labours and distress which you had to endure to win for me what I have won. But does any man among you honestly feel that he has suffered more for me than I have suffered for him? Come now, if you are wounded, strip and show your wounds, and I will show mine. There is no part of my body but my back which has not a scar; not a weapon a man may grasp or fling the mark of which I do not carry upon me. I have sword-cuts from close fight; arrows have pierced me, missiles from catapults bruised my flesh; again and again I have been struck by stones or clubs—and all for your sakes: for your glory and your gain."

I prefer to believe he was assassinated, but to be frank he suffered from not being a D&D character. It's not at all implausible that he died as a result of those injuries.

Basically Alex was /fitlit/ in weaponized form. You should just assume he knows whatever he can know. He learned from everyone he conquered, bringing them into his army and researching them. If he's in a world where there's magic, he'll know it. Hell, he'd probably be a literal demigod instead of claiming he was for PR reasons.

Bromance.
Brilliance.
Great skill in politics.
Allround cool guy.
Dying young.

>>52569790
>If he's in the same campaign active at the same time as the PC's then they will want to kill him. If they don't kill him then they'll feel railroaded and overshadowed by a DMPC mary sue. Better to put him in the history books or make him the BBEG.
this
you could use a more flawed figure like napoleon, "barbarian" conquerors etc if you want someone more real

>>52569910
Caesar would be better for a flawed character in my opinion. He has done some pretty ballsy things for no reason other than being ballsy (trying to invade Germania and Britannia in short succession [both unsuccesfully] when he already had enough shit on his plate in Gaul alone), pretty much hijacked a republic in no need of saving and burned down loads of villages just to set an example. He'd be a good BBEG actually, the kind of whom you understand why he has such a fanatical following but at the same time understand why others hate him.

>>52569954
yeah, he works fine as well

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>>52569580
To be honest when you look at the situation in his army and at home I believe it's equally likely he was assassinated. He'd just put down a rebellion, he wanted to continue conquering with a new army and his relatives were so jelly that they would have killed him given the slightest chance. After all, they did kill his mother and kids after he died. After a long campaign he was coming back to Greece. A place other people had been ruling with him gone, and which didn't want him back.

Then there's the frustratingly vague answer he gave to his generals on his deathbed. "To the Strongest." Personally I think he was poisoned, he knew he was and that was his final "fuck you". To not give his empire to anyone but let them smash apart what he made.

Alexander's story is basically the story of the limits of the perfect man. His limit was hit when he conquered most of the world on foot with classical era technology and his very human army gave up. He was going home to raise another, and people feared he was taking on tyrannical Persian ways. He'd killed generals for plotting against him in the past, and frankly it's not unlikely his generals were plotting against him. They had the largest empire in history at stake.

If he had lived he might well have conquered Europe, possibly even have had an invasion into China later in his life. If any human in history had the potential to unite Eurasia, it was him. He was just about the perfect man - and he didn't live up to that potential because no one else is.

His death is mysterious so it's sorta open choice. There's good reason to believe he died from complications as a result of his many injuries over the years, but there's plenty of reason to believe he was assassinated too. I simply prefer to believe the latter because frankly it makes for a much better story. His life ends up a tragedy rather than a story cut in half by the sudden natural death of the main character.

>No Genghis Khan and Subutai analogue
How many times has a Genghis Khan analogue been accurate, how many times has there even been a Subutai analogue?

>>52570068
Who is Subutai ?

>>52570068
Actually this brings up an idea. You couldn't have a campaign with Alexander the Great running around - but you could have a campaign with Alex AND Ghenghis AND Admiral Yi, etc.

Basically just make a game where the setting is a game of Civilization with magic. Or set it during a game of Dom4. There's already an Alexander analogue in it!

>>52570103
Mongol Empire General, he wrecked the Polish and Hungarian Armies, and Chinese armies later. Fought some 65 pitched battles and won. I'd be inclined to say he was a better general than Genghis Khan except he fought in the army Genghis Khan founded from nothing.

>>52570103
The man who would have conquered Europe if his Khan hadn't died on him.

>>52570149
Subutai, you can't just defeat the armies of Poland and Hungary with a scouting party.

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1. Dump your extra points in charisma during character creation, and take the Lucky feat
2. Inherit daddy's well drilled army
3. Be an expert in logistics and a proactive strategist who leads from the front
4. Important: Remember to invade the massive decentralized empire's lands where a handful of wins in key battles will make their satraps swear loyalty to you, instead of the smaller nation with a functioning central government that can just zergrush your superior forces by conscripting every adult male and slowly bleed you to death
5. ???
6. PROFIT!

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>>52570107
>It's an IRL match of Civilization except Napoleon is fanboying over Caesar who is fanboying over Alexander, resulting in an ass-raping triumverate based on dubious republicanism

>>52569888
>Come now, if you are wounded, strip and show your wounds, and I will show mine

2lewd.

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>>52570199
For all that Pyrrhus was hyped up to be Alexander II Conquer Boogaloo the guy really was just a one trick pony. He had the elephant charge and... that's it. He didn't really do anything very smart. He was simply a decent commander for his era in charge of a good army that went against other good Roman commanders in charge of an equally good army.

Now Alex would have kicked the shit out of the Romans. Not because he was better equipped but because he had an incredible sense for outplaying his opponents well before actual combat ever began.

Now if you want a really interesting thought experiment you could replace Hannibal and his armies with Alexander the Great and his. Would things have ended differently? Hannibal was perfect in most of his battles, won against the Romans again and again and they just never surrendered and threw armies at him until he lost. He just didn't have the support he needed to truly conquer Rome. But Alexander didn't have the resources he needed to conquer an island (boats) and just decided to move the land to the island the hard way, fighting off enemy boat raids on his land bridge in the process. And he WON.

So could he have come up with something that would have conquered that latter Rome that Hannibal could not? That's the real question.

Also Alex was crossing mountains during winter to attack people by surprise centuries before Hannibal thought it was cool.
>>52570236
You have a point there - a lot of these guys are actually fans of one another and are generally their times equivalent of a militaristic but open minded and well educated person. The old world warhawk liberals, basically. While some like Ghengis are unlikely to play well with others some like Caesar totally would.

>>52570236
Napoleon was fanboying over Frederic.
>Gentlemen, if this man were still alive I would not be here

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>>52570302
Napoleon clearly didn't respect the "only one waifu" rule. If we include every single one of them, we may end up with a centuumverate.

>>52566944
Naming things after your genderbent self.

Alternatively, naming so many things after yourself that it becomes the genderbent version of your name.

>>52570299
Genghis Khan wouldn't have gotten very far in life if he couldn't befriend others and honor his deals.

If Alexander lost a major battle ONCE he would lose everything. Your PCs cannot lose or else everything goes to shit. Darius could lose multiple armies and try different strategies

The excitement of travelling. For many of these Macedonians, they have never even left their native country. So imagine the culture shock of seeing asia minor, egypt and northern india. Dont forget the very many many foreign women.

>>52570149
Just keeping the command chain up that far would have spelled the end for the European conquest effort, wouldn't it?
I appreciate horse archers as much as the next guy, but they weren't invincible.

>>52570325
Don't say it too loudly, the Japs might hear you, add cute girls and run with it.

>>52566944
A great army, a great mind, and great morale. Also, a fuckton of food and the planning (and means) needed to make sense out of a logistician's nightmare.
>>52569531
Little correction: Dante included sodomites as damned in Hell with blasphemers and usurers, and had the top of purgatory (for the lustful) divided between straight and gay. Also, if I recall, Romans thought that being made passive was humiliating, while being active (and forcing someone to be passive, regardless of gender iirc) was a display of virility and meant that you were a powerful/strong person.

>>52568745
>>52569236
>And we shall call the cities we've conquered...
>Alexander
>Trojan Alexander
>Carmanian Alexander
>Arian Alexander
>Arachosian Alexander
>Caucasus Mountains Alexander
>Indus River Alexander
>Victorious Alexander
>Extreme Alexander at the World's Edge
>Bucephalos

>>52570271
You should read the whole speech. It's amazing and it makes it clear just how high Macedon and he himself rose. Macedon basically started out as a poor abused rural state on the borders of Greece. Philip took that and conquered Greece and made the perfect combined arms army. But Alexander ascended the throne with others out for his head, 60 coins in the treasury and over 500 coins in debt. He killed every rival, put down every rebellion, conquered the greatest nation in the world of that era (Persia) and most of the world in general.

And it only ended because his people quit.

http://www.livius.org/sources/content/arrian/anabasis/mutiny-at-opis/


>>52570395
Nobody can pretend he had a small ego about it, though, that's for sure.

>>52566944
Buggery and dying like a bitch, resulting in his empire crumbling almost instantaneously.

>>52570395
Don't forget Iskandariyah (Alex's name in arabic).

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>>52570390
>add cute girls and run with it.
Way ahead of you senpai.

>>52570390
>Sekko Boys with generals
FUND IT

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>>52570478
Post superior version.
At least this one rules over Europe

>>52570540
>Advanced twintail tsundere: sixtail tsundere
>Better than an adorable but brilliant loli
Tsundere's are shit. SHIT.

>>52570460
The Rashidun Caliphs conquered it and started calling it that a millenium after Alexander's death. The Persian name was very similar to the original in Greek, eg. the man himself was referred to as "Gizistag Aleksandar" in Middle Persian, "Alexander the Accursed"

Alexander the Great type character comes back from the afterlife while leading an army of the dead to finish conquering what he could not in life. Interesting campaign idea or not?

>>52570478
>>52570540

>Alexandria the Great
Hot greek chick with curly hair and a big nose and an ego the size of her empire.

>Julia Caesar
Short curly hair, charming, smart and yet naive.

>Napolia
That brash girl with no political skills but kickass battlefield skills.

>Ghengha Khan
A hot amazonian Mongolian girl on horseback. And she's gonna have 300 husbandos, willing or no.

>Admiral FemYi
That quiet bookish Korean girl who turns out to be secretly kickass but gets bullied by her own side.

>Admiral Nilsine
A one armed drunken flirty chick with a good bit of flash.

>>52570236
And Alexander fanboys over Cyrus II who in turn styles himself after Sargon of Akkad

>>52570540
>>52570478
I assume at least one of these is Fate because hay that's what they do but, sauce?

>>52566944
For full analogue the conquests have to end after the person in question dies young and brokenhearted when their army cannot go on. The Empire must immediately disintegrate as it was only the person in question holding it together

>>52570857
If only, servant Napoleon never.

The orange haired one is from Eiyuu Senki. Don't know the other.

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>>52570853
He actually wanted to be a hobo
>"But truly, if I were not Alexander, I would be Diogenes."

>>52570926
That's because Diogenes and Alexander were both people who substituted their own reality, and Alexander appreciated that.

>>52570926
>>52570985
To be fair Diogenes actually ended up living the better life. He died at 89. Alexander died in his early 30's. And Diogenes is remembered just as Alexander is, so he too has immortality.

Guess Alex got a bum deal and the bum got a kingly one.

>>52570365
The issue is that Ghengis Khan wasn't idolized by anyone nor was he ideologically similar. Caesar and Napolen had practically the same rise to power, Caesar idolized Alexander, and both Napoleon and Frederick II were enlightened despots.

>>52571104
alex gets more bums than diogenes though

>>52570765
>Julia Caesar
>Curly hair
Kill yourself

>>52571136
Diogenes was a Greek philosopher, man. Nobody knew bums like the king of bums.

>>52567420
It's funny because the 'Alexander was gay' meme comes from a single line in a primary source that referred to his devotion to his friend. The modern day equivalent is like saying two friends are brother's.

It just got really popular among scholars, who have an almost incestuous system of copying and stealing from each other.

Also, as recent papers are suggesting, early 20th century scholars make a lot of homosexuality claims of classical culture based on ultimately scant evidence. Even Greek pederasty might be overblown and largely misinterpreted.

>>52570736
Sounds good enough, depends entirely on your players and the scale of the campaign

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>>52570765
>>52571151
Caesar

>>52571126
>The issue is that Ghengis Khan wasn't idolized by anyone
Except for the whole of Asia?

>>52570736
So what you're doing is fighting a classical era ubermensch. Every single soldier under his command should have class levels and his army should have everything.

At the same time he's massively out of date but eager to learn. He'd probably want to avoid big battles until modernizing after he conquers some initial territory.

You've got magical beasts in his army, philosopher-wizards, ancient equivalents to knights and so on. His only real weakness now would be how out of date he is and the fact that they're undead. A campaign against a resurrected Alexander would be a campaign to keep him from updating his forces long enough to put together a modern force that is strong enough to survive his bullshit OP battle skill.

On the other hand he'd probably be the friendliest skelebro. In life he was probably one of the nicest guys of his time, avoiding genocide and generally leaving conquered areas alone as long as they sent him taxes and soldiers to continue his conquests. He'd sit you down, pour you a drink and try to bone you. But he was a pretty chill guy by the standards of that era unless he was drunk.

>>52571126
Do you have any idea how popular the name "Khan" is among central Asians? Where do you think that comes from?

>>52566944
Listen to this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06d9bkx

>>52571162
In any case Greek and Roman culture didn't look at sexuality in nearly the same way as we do. Back then all that mattered is whether you were on top.

>>52571326
Maybe it would be more interesting then to not make him all "lol evil?" He just reawakens to a new world to conquer and does what he did best in life. Just trying to logic out why he would come back.

>>52570005
Sounds like you like Alexander for the same reason a lot of autists like Nikola Tesla. You like to imagine that he was too beautiful for this world and that his glaring failings were the fault of everyone except himself, just like people like to think about their own failings.

>>52566944
Naming everything after yourself, your friends, and your pets.

Killing your father because your crazy mum told you that your real father is a god, making him an imposter.

Treating respected enemies as your family after they surrender.

>>52570068
Or Kublai, who conquered China not when it was weak, like the Manchus did, but when it was strong.

>>52571530
He's made a vow once to conquer everything or else his soul won't find peace. Death just interrupted him, he's back to finish it. He's damned to end it, but not for evil, you can actually surrender peacefully to him. The players aren't even able to stop him, but they have to find a cure to give his soul peace.

>>52571603
That's nice. You're a good buddy.

>>52570005
>To the Strongest.

The Greek word for "the strongest" is "kratistos". It is rather likely, however, that Alexander actually answered "Krateros" (whom today we know by the Latinization "Craterus"), who was one of his generals and generally his most favored. And also, conveniently enough, the one diadochi who was not around to hear Alexander's proclamation (he was in Cilicia, modern-day southern Turkey, building a fleet and getting ready to head back to Macedon)

The generals present probably chose to "mishear" it as "kratistos" rather than Krateros, since each wanted to rule themselves, not suborn themselves to Krateros.

>>52571267
Not really, the Chinese fucking hated him and the Mongols (made the sons of all Mongol nobles they could find into eunuchs following the fall of the Yuan dynasty) and Arabs hated him for burning Baghdad (which would be like if he burned Rome to Europeans). The only ones who really idolized him were other conquerors from central Asia like Tamerlane. Plus if it is a civ style best leaders for everyone his only potential idolizer is Tamerlane seeing how he was one of the last steppe conquerors.

>>52571530
Well it depends on how you look at it. He was a man who was literally fated to conquer the world, but he did not do so. He was cut down in his prime after conquering most of it but before he could get a second army. His forces had staged a mutiny, his generals had begun to turn on him. Yet he was supposed to be the son of Zeus, he cut the gordion knot, he faced many trials and tests and certainly lived like he was the fated conqueror of the world. He lived in real life like his existence was running on a prophecy. And then he just suddenly died for no reason and everything fell apart.

Maybe the gods themselves decided to deny the prophecy and struck him down before the could conquer everything else. Maybe he did just die of some random disease and he feels cheated. He was essentially the chosen one. He was the great conqueror-hero of his time. Undead Alex would have to be pursuing that same thing, just trying to catch that destiny over and over again only to die mysteriously again each time as he starts to win.


>>52571567
Not at all. He was great for his time but judged by contemporary standards he had many horrible flaws. He was a raging alcoholic and that led to him killing his best friend that had once saved his life and burning down Babylon by accident. He committed genocide when he fought in Scythia against guerilla forces and he killed or enslaved every single Theban. He had three wives from conquest. And even if he refrained from many of the excesses of the people at the time towards conquered people, he was still unbelievably cruel by modern standards. His massive ego caused him no end of problems with his generals and soldiers. He may have always been right in combat but he was right in the smug smartest asshole in college way. He was also a fucking psychopath that fought on the front lines of every battle and enjoyed it.

Alexander was massively flawed, and those very flaws could have been his undoing if he was assassinated.

>>52571721
Genghis Khan is a chinese national hero.

>>52571721
>The only ones who really idolized him were other conquerors from central Asia like Tamerlane

Also the peoples of central Asia themselves. Most of the Stans. They see him as one of them. This comes out to quite a few people, especially given Pakistan has a huge population.

>>52571744
>Not at all. He was great for his time but judged by contemporary standards he had many horrible flaws.

Judged by "his time" he had many flaws. Drunken excess was not seen as a positive trait. Many ancients saw his greatness as exceeding his flaws, but not all did. Criticisms of Alexander started pretty much as soon as his death.

>>52571721
Ghenghis didn't burn down Baghdad, he was long dead
The siege of Baghdad was done by command of Timur

>>52571794
>Timur
No fuck, I got that wrong, it was Hulagu Khan

>>52571768
So nobody. We are talking about essentially a game of civilization, it doesn't matter much if the common man respects him, he needs allies and his only real ally would be other central asian conquers, most likely ones who came after him who aren't numerous.

The end result is either Genghis Khan rules his empire or he only rules part of his empire and the rest is divided between lesser conquerors who idolize him.

>>52571158
He was too busy masturbating in the street to get bums.

>>52571815
Still Mongols, Arabs had no love for Genghis or his successors.

>>52571744
>he cut the gordion knot

No, he pulled the knot out of its pole pin, exposing its two ends and thereby allowing it to be untied. Plutarch and Arrian both maintain that this is what Aristobulus, the historian who personally accompanied Alexander on his campaigns, said.

The "he cut it in half" thing is a later simplification for plebs and children. Likewise, the addition of the solver of the knot being prophesied to conquer Asia is a subsequent addition to the knot, not an original part of the story - the result of a thunder-storm that night that lead Alexander's prophet Aristander to say that Zeus was pleased and would grant Alexander many victories.

More to the point, when he conquered the world as far as the Indus and Oxus rivers, he had conquered Asia, or at least what would have at the time been conceived of as Asia. So the retroactive prophecy was fulfilled.

>>52569531

Tell that to the christians and muslims obsessed about people having sex with members of the same sex.

Or hell, you, since you're offended enough.

>>52571838
Only having other steppe conquerors as your allies isn't the worst thing, given how fearsome they are.

You are underestimating how good he was at dealing with people. He created the Mongol people. They did not exist as such before him. You don't get to unite an ethnic group if you can't choose allies wisely.

>>52571849
That 30% of the total human population of the 13th century they killed must have been mostly the Middle East, wonder if anyone blamed Inalchuq for fucking up that Mongolian caravan and disfiguring the Mongol diplomats.

>>52571390
The guy who raped their nth great grandmother. He's not seen like a hero like Alexander or Caesar are.

>>52572110
No they focus on the Mongols and healgu told the caliph that muslim blood will be considered halal for 40 days and tried to make him eat gold

>>52566944
Murderhoboing. You know how badly one's decisions are while drunk? Multiply that for 30.000 soldiers or sublime arrogance. Macedonians drunk too much too often, and in Megas Alexandro's case it lead to palace sacking and friend murdering.

Mastering combined arms in a way that thousands failed to do so for milennia afterwards. I applied that to fantasy as racial combined arms, or "2000 dwarfs + 2000 humans + 2000 elves beat 8000 humans, elves or dwarfs"

>>52569531
Tell that to the catholic priests that performed handjobs on one another and later heard each other's confessions.

>>52567221
>>52568285
http://www.pothos.org/content/indexe8ce.html?page=hellenism---after-alexander

>>52570390
I'm actually fine with that.

>>52566944
>an unfortunately and tragic early death; usually before meeting the end goal and usually through illness/potential poisoning or an analogue.
>a problem with some kind of vice; usually alcoholism or sex
>purest deepest love for at least one of their subordinates on a personal level; said subordinate is an unofficial equal
>undefeatable charisma; the ability to make every man he speaks to think they are his best friend, no matter how mean their birth or station

>>52572184
Depends on where you ask, that East/West divide.

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>>52572373
I posted it in the hope that people would post cute girls in response.

>>52570617
>Tfw you are so narcissic even your enemies name cities after you

>>52571126
>The issue is that Ghengis Khan wasn't idolized by anyone

He's a hero to his own people, at least. Also the Kaiser would disagree. But then again, he was a cripple who could barely function in high society.

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>>52571180
>Caesar's men singing songs about how she takes it in the ass and sucks cock like a boss

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>>52571721
>(which would be like if he burned Rome to Europeans).

A friday?

>>52572860
If nothing else he's got a great story, not to diminish the accomplishments the others posted in this thread be Genghis Khan literally inherited nothing, and was the lowest of the low in Mongol society. From that he created his own Empire that at the time of his death was the largest continuous land Empire in history. He also fucked a lot of women.

>>52572973
>that at the time of his death was the largest continuous land Empire in history.

Actually that should just read "that was the largest continuous land empire in history".

The Mongolian Empire has never been equaled in terms of sheer size. It was 24 million square miles, while the Russian Empire was 22.8 million square miles. The next largest after that was the Qing dynasty, at 14.7

British Empire, while not continuous, trumps all though. 35.5 million square miles and the only empire in history upon which the sun actually never set (the same was claimed of the Spanish Empire at one point, but it didn't quite stretch far enough into the Pacific).

>>52570299
>So could he have come up with something that would have conquered that latter Rome that Hannibal could not?
Alexander's siegecraft might well have proven decisive. And maybe he could have peeled some Roman allies off through diplomacy. It's worth noting, however, that Hannibal options were severely limited by his situation, including political divisions at home that resulted in less-than-total support for his war efforts. And the tenacity of the Romans--not to mention the loyalty of their allies--was nothing less than remarkable, so I don't think it's by any means a forgone conclusion that Alexander could have pulled off a victory. Hannibal really was an outstanding commander, after all.

>>52571104
Better to die young having seen and done everything than to live long living in barrels and molesting chickens

>>52573240
>molesting chickens
Whoa, hold it right there. Those were men, atleast according to Plato and Socrates.

>>52570299
Alexander might surpass Hannibal theoretically - if he could successfully siege Rome the city.
He was a fan of unconventional strategy, and where Hannibal hesitate on assaulting Rome, I don't think Alexander would. If he failed, it would doom his army.

>>52573390
>>52573177
It was a very, very hard victory for Rome, so replacing Hannibal with another commander of equal skill (but a somewhat different approach) might well result in a Roman defeat.

>>52566944
Dying young after his soldiers refuse to go further.

>>52568219
No you imbecile.
Being gay doesn't mean being effete, especially back then; like, half of the goddamn Spartans were fucking each other up the ass and their officers ENCOURAGED it because it increased unity in the phalanx according to them.

Alex the G wasn't just bisexual, most evidence we have suggests he was a straight-up homosexual.
>>52568254
Romans just had a different idea of what counted as straight and what didn't.

>>52570005 >>52569888
That's the rougher truth of life; it's not a narrative and characters did for literally no reason that has anything to do with the plot ALL of the time, and as much as we try to make sense of it it's basically just us trying to find a form of order to impose on a reality that worked that way long before we ever even were sapient.

Life is an endless series of anticlimaxes that have no meaning or reason to them. The reason we don't write fiction that way is because it's hard to admit just how completely out of our control real life is.

>>52573935
Thanks for your blog Fredy.

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You need to be the cuckbaby of a dragon and your mother.

>>52575293
Quit dragon his mom into this.

>>52573306
You'd think Aristotle or some other stuck up fuck would go down as the greatest pedant in history.

But nope, Diogenes.

>>52571180
>Pisshair
She's Latin master race, not G*rmanic. Dirty blonde is as bright as it goes.

Armcharir historian here. Don't do it, you'll look like a massive jerk with an unbeatable character.


Weapon specialization: (Sarissa)
Why hasn't anyone brought up the whole technology thing? One anon brought up "engineers" and "logistics" but nobody metioned how his dad either inveted or improved the design of sarissas, which made it very hard for most enemy troops to even get near his guys. Alexander refined their tactical use.

His engineers were a huge deal. They were one of the, if not the, first corps of engineers who made it possible for him to do crazy shit like lay siege to an entire well-isolated island that pissed him off (tyre).

>>52566944
Malaria

This thread needs theme music: https://youtu.be/1oTEQf1d9Iw

>>52570299
>Now if you want a really interesting thought experiment you could replace Hannibal and his armies with Alexander the Great and his. Would things have ended differently?

Of course it would have ended differently and not because Alexander was some ever victorious general.

The Rome Alexander would have faced was much different than the Rome Hannibal fought. The three Samnite Wars hadn't happened yet, the territory Rome controlled was much smaller, Rome had fewer client states, Rome's armies were equipped differently and fought differently.

Alexander is more than a century before Hannibal and there would have been no Pyrrhic War to "teach" Rome's legions how to beat Grecian "combined arms".

>>52566944
A self-destructive streak.

How do I do a good Cao Cao analogue?

>>52581639
What are "combined arms"? I assume its more than just using different weapons.

>>52581888

Troll elsewhere.

>>52566944
Being good at adapting to native culture to bolster public relations.

>>52566944

Egotism, manic-depressiveness, alcoholism, issues with both parents, extremely intelligent and over-educated, an unconventional thinker, generally possessed of boundless energy when not bed-ridden, charismatic and manipulative, trained from birth to avoid assassination and watch for rebellion and challenges to the throne.

A problem-solver first and foremost, whether the problem was how to become the king of Asia, how to lay siege to Tyre, or how to cross the Hindu Kush or the Gedrosian desert or the Hydaspes river. He was always searching for a new task or challenge, and fleeing from boredom and monotony. And that's why he conquered most of the known world in 10 years and died without really ruling any of it.

>>52566957
>>52567007

Also he had four wives and two sons (that we know of), and passed mistresses around to his generals once he was done with them like a rockstar with groupies and an entourage.

>>52581639
>Alexander is more than a century before Hannibal and there would have been no Pyrrhic War to "teach" Rome's legions how to beat Grecian "combined arms".

The Pyrrhic war really prepped the Romans for the Punic wars, and those prepped them to conquer the world. However, their main advantage over the Hellenistic Successor kingdoms was not tactical but strategic, namely an almost implausible population advantage which enabled them to absorb a defeat (or string of defeats) that would end the rule of any one Macedonian king. The fact that the Greco-Macedonians were split into three empires, a half-dozen kingdoms, and hundreds of city-states contributed to the manpower disparity as the Romans picked them off one by one.

>>52570765
>Hot greek chick
>greek
also
>not Alexogyne

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>>52581888
banned in google, I see

>>52583007
>However, their main advantage over the Hellenistic Successor kingdoms was not tactical but strategic, namely an almost implausible population advantage which enabled them to absorb a defeat (or string of defeats) that would end the rule of any one Macedonian king.

And, as already explained, Rome won't have that advantage before the Samnite Wars give her control of Italy and that population.

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>>52570392
Sodomite includes any kind of sex not intended for procreation anon, it's only the last couple hundred of years than it's associated mostly with homos and anal sex. Specially during the medieval age a husband porking his wife in the ass was a sodomite, or getting a blowjob from his horse or getting a handjob from the cleric.
About the buggering you are correct. And then he would go home and sex his wife as well because no one cared what you did with your benis unless you didn't get married and had children. That's why I say they didn't care about Homos, Bisexuals, Helicopter-sexuals or whatever is the new hip sexuality thing from USA unis, what did you bang didn't matter, specially if it was a slave or a freemen, who or what did you love didn't matter unless you didn't perform your duties as a civic member of the society or you got caught commiting unmanly things like gettin buggered, perfoming fellatio or the worse of all, perfoming cunnilingus.

>>52571390
Khan is a lot older title than Temujin anon.It's simply a way Turkic (and later mongol/Turkiced Iranian tribes) called they war leaders, the Xianbei used it for example.

>>52573718
Apart from his wives and kids right?

>>52566944
Felling the taut, supple skin of your lover and confidant in your arms every night to remind you what you're fighting for. Then destroying his boypucci with your majestic Macedonian cock.

>>52573718
>half of the goddamn Spartans were fucking each other up the ass and their officers ENCOURAGED it because it increased unity in the phalanx according to them.

Nice myth there. Spartans by the time of their golden age were probably the least gay in Greece.

>>52588365
[Citation needed]

Ancient Male affection = Modern Homosexuality!