Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52532801
Cuse Spheres of Power still feels kind of unbalanced
I mean come on, you get to both heal and raise the dead at level 1.

So what it comes down to is this:
Is the GM ever allowed to say no to a play or is the GM taking a stance on literally anything mean HE'S the entitled one?

Obviously fuck no it doesn't.

>>52532801
Can we stay away from Lawful Good zombies this time OP-sama?

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>>52532801

>>52532801
>Why aren't you using Spheres of Power
I've yet to see a good argument for using them.

I want to sauté my waifu's succulent elven flesh and recite a prayer to the Pallid Princess once I've eaten my fill!

>>52532850
How do you get the semen taste out of the corpses you just fucked? I can't for the unlife of me figure it out.

>>52532850
I'd like to know this waifu. As a connoisseur of elven flesh and the Pallid Princess.

Just a quick reminder
last thread had 37 IPs.

>>52532860
Prestidigitation?

>>52532888
>Thread goes from 4 AM to 8 AM US East (1 am to 5 am eastern)
>Majority of userbase is American
>Surprised at the reduced amount of IPs

>>52532890
Oh yeah! Prestidigitation can flavour non-living shit so I still get the protein but don't have to taste it! You've got a good int bonerus non.

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When's the last time you played an "evil" character who wasn't a complete and utter monster? Somebody who wasn't a monster- but was just a douchebag. Chad Thundercocks, Falafels, people who give children knives to play with, those all count

>>52532974
Well, I played a benevolent tyrant once, who is still LE.

>>52532974
I played once a card-carrying villain, LE Fiendbound Marauder Warder that the party had to tolerate because he was basically offering them their aid with their rebellion just for his share of the loot and was rather efficient.

Passtimes involved defiling temples of good deities with symbols of Asmodeus, using panic at a potential apocalypse to gain further converts, and killing/souldraining homeless men for healing in the middle of a siege (party had no healing).

>>52532974
I played a CE human bard who was a womanizer that didn't tell them he got a case of the deep ones.

>>52532974

The last evil character I played was a con artist; friendly guy, but he'd trick widows into their life savings or steal the priceless heirloom of a demented old man.

>>52532860
>trying to get rid of one of the main sauces

You have much to learn, friend.

>>52532875
I'm afraid Alvaria is a one butcher kind of woman.

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>>52532974
Well my current evil character I play is a drow. Definitely the party bitch to the other PC's in the party (who are also evil) but not a complete monster.

I'd classify her as an ice princess. The pretentiousness and bitchiness my character was displaying got to a certain point that the other PC's got together and crafted a magical slave collar to shut her the fuck up, and disguised it as a periapt of health.

I reaped what I sowed x.x

Hidden effects: http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Serpentine%20Choker

http://archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Saffron%20Slave%20Collar

>>52533088
Does she like it in the gutter?

>>52533088
so....cocksleeved?

>>52532974
>An evil character
Yeah I played this assassin guy who, despite being the only evil character in the party, was actually the central plo-
>Who wasn't a complete monster
O-oh.

>>52533111
Not at first... >.>
She's had it on for several months already do to a plot point in the campaign that had the party spending six months defending one place. So there was a lot of time for "adjustment"

>>52533126
Basically ._.

>>52533173
>.>
._.
Don't do this.

>>52532974
Nah, that's dumb, let's put the shoe on the other foot

When's the last time you played an evil character who wasn't a complete and utter wimp? Somebody who, while potentially not a monster or grimdark, was a genuine threat with a focus and a goal, ready to put these edgy fags in their place by showing how real villainy gets done.

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HA HA, TIME FOR REVIEWS

>>52532801
Shezare Umboros, a Vishkanya spheres negotiator bard!

>Dragon-ish Princess in line with the throne
>but because she's got dark hair, no throne for you
>instead, her bratty youngest sister gets the throne
>which is great, she loves being a master manipulator instead of being the obvious boss and your darling sisters are great to make into powerhouses and you love them anyway
>wait, what do you mean dad had mom assassinated and intends to put her on the throne? And she's got to have her other sisters killed off?
>screw that, let's go bugger off into the Ways

I don't really like multi-apps! They really tend to throw party balance into disarray, and makes cliques inside a group, and if the quality of the apps are different the GM has to make tough choices!

Having said that, at least the quality is fortunately pretty solid from app to app, so that just leaves the other two problems.

Shezare seems to be the de facto leader of the FEARED LEGENDARY TRIPLE APP because her youngest sister is a brat and dumb and the middle sister is a person who thinks with her sword. This is going to be interesting to see how one can be a smoothtalking manipulator behind the scenes when you actually have to be the one to talk. Mechanically speaking, Shezare is going to have to put herself in the front line to do the speaking, so it isn't going to be quite the behind-the-scenes action in her personality.

Like her sister apps, Shezare's well put together. I don't think it quite fits the setting of small shard communities and putting in a noble's app at level 1 is something that raises an eyebrow. Still, none of the three have actually achieved anything of note, so it's probably just rubbing me the wrong way.

>>52533184
Does anyone not do this?
I honestly don't even give edgelords the benefit of Evil. They're not real evil. They're wannabes. They cause suffering without knowing why, it's like a monkey aping the movements without understanding the reasoning or a kid writing down stokes theorem but not understanding shit about it.

Does anyone know where to get the whole Zeitgeitst adventure path? The mega trove contains just a single chapter.

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Would /pfg/ ever get together to play in a /pfg/-sponsored 4e campaign over Roll20?

>>52533180
It's too late.

>>52532801
REMOVE LOLI NECROMANCERS!

>>52533251
4e is like
Not even the same system

Tell me, /pfg/- what kind of tone in a game is your favourite/you've always wanted to play in?

Tone in this case being fairly general; comfy, pirates, grimdark, survival, high adventure, intruigue.

>>52533223
Honestly how do DMs deal with triple apps? Doubles are bad enough but like...

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>>52533223

>Appeal 3/5 Manipulator that's got baggage of a bratty murderous loli and Ms sword. Might work better in a lewd game, but it doesn't seem right for Shardwalkers; "Some hold lofty goals to map out the Shardlands that man might get back on his feet and fight off the Dark, others care only for the coin their services can demand, and many just wish to escape the burdens of their old life and the responsibilities that come with it." The way it's been made seems to be much more drifters-like, and it seems that there's not enough wanderlust or need to go from place to place for these three. They can settle down and just build a powerbase if they want to get their home back.
>Backstory 3/5 It's well written and makes sense, but the scope of the shard being an entire kingdom is just.. well, doesn't seem to fit, as said. Being "stuck on a tiny rock in the night sky" is a lot different from "there's an entire kingdom with royalty and everything".
>Compatibility 2/5 T-T-TRIPLE APP is going to throw any sort of party balance out the window. Neutral/evil group is going to be able to bully their way into whatever they want, so it's just... less than ideal.

Next up, Brynhildr d'Ivrea.

Note: eclair removed because she's not ready for public consumption yet.

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>>52533265
Did someone say loli necromancer?

>>52533173
>>52533180
>>52533261
Don't listen to him, please keep using emotifaces.

>>52533180

Never! >.<

>>52533307
:D

>>52533294
>3 3 2
You're not as kind as the other reviewanon huh

>>52533307
>>52533312
(O u O) Unite!

>>52533299
Will do ^.^

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>>52533278
Some mix of adventure and intrigue. Preferably intrigue going into adventure. That just works for me

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How does it feel to know that DSP can get its shit together to write a huge April Fools' PDF and a shitty psionic collective class nobody asked for, but it still can't get into gear for the PoW1 errata?

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>>52533371
SOMEONE

LIGHT

KELEDRATHS

ASS

ON

FIRE

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Reminder that hate speech against Fighters is banned.

>>52533371
It's almost like a company divies up work for different people and has multiple things going on!

There is like one guy working on PoW 1 errata.

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>>52533278
pirates and high adventure sounds great and easy to do

grimdark survival with a few horror elements is pretty cool guy too

lastly social/mystery/intrigue in an urban setting can be incredible, but only if the GM is a total pro at it and the players aren't retarded

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>>52533396
Keledrath has been procrastinating for literally years and fucking around with 4e and video games, both of which are admittedly more fun than Pathfinder.

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How does it feel to know that Spheres of Might: Ssalarn Edition will be released long before the PoW1 errata?

>>52532974
I'm playing one right now. In a good party, no less.

>>52533371
How does it feel knowing you're a useless saltfag?

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>>52533568

Reviewanon's job just got one app longer

>>52533294
are you going to keep going m8

>>52533266
So what. It's about people playing and PF is bad anyway.

>>52533675
I mean
I wouldn't mind that much
But like
This is /pfg/.

>>52533251

4e doesn't have a centralized repository of info to make playing easy. It's hell.

>>52533694
There's a character builder and free patches to bring it up to date with most content.

I mean, I kinda dislike 4e but that ain't an excuse.

>>52533694

I never realized this is why I still play Pathfinder until you just said it.

The PFSRD and Archive of Nethys makes building characters second nature, I can't emphasize enough how critical these sites are to making Pathfinder bearable.

>>52533694
But it does? I am on my phone so I can't provide links but there is a compendium and character builder.

>>52533713
Pretty much.

Though it's odd given that now I barely need to reference it now.

>>52533184
>He thinks that being a power acquisition machine is real villainy.

Why even pretend being different from run-of-the mill PCs?

>>52533807
>being a munchkin
>not real villainy

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So, /pfg/, what if you were playing your game, and pic related rolled up next to your party while you were walking to the next city, 7 stories high, and spoke thusly:
>GOOD DAY, INSIGNIFICANTS
>IT IS THE ANGEL 7 STORMING BEHEMOTH CHARGING SCREAMING VENGEANCE, PACIFIER OF THE NORTHERN ABYSS-KILL MARCHES, DESTROYER OF THE 1 MILLION TRAITOR HOST, DEVOURER OF 17666 DEMON SOULS, THUNDER CHASER OF THE SUNKEN GOD, THE UNYIELDING CHARIOT GLORY-BOUND, DEEP KING OF ELUCIDON, HIGH NEMESOR OF THE HELL PATROL
>YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CALL IT DEVIL DOG
>YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PAY HOMAGE TO IT, AND BASK IN IT'S CEASELESS MAJESTY
>YOU ARE ALLOWED TO FURTHER CONVERSE WITH IT WHEN COMPLETED FOR IT HAS FOUND USE FOR INSIGNIFICANTS' EXISTENCES
>proceeds to wait motionlessly for your move

>>52533694
Character builder and funin.space.
You speak in complete ignorance, anon.

So I'm working on a conversion of magic of Incarnum to Akashic mysteries rules. The first project is gonna be the classes: the Soulborn, Totemist, and Incarnate. Here's the rough outline of what each class will do when Pathfinderized. Any thoughts on this? Just leave a reply

>Soulborn
Now uses Daevic Veilweaving, drops Smite Opposition, Incarnum defense, and Share Incarnum Defense in favor of more customizability in "Convictions". The Soulborn must be any combination of Lawful/Chaotic and Good/Evil, no neutral allowed. Each alignment has two convictions associated with it, each with a list of thematic abilities like Revelations, which grants the Soulborn a thematic ability. He picks one from each component of his alignment (LG Soulborns pick one from Lawful and one from Good) and that determines his abilities. There's also a number of "Neutral" Convictions that are available to all Soulborn.

>Incarnate
Uses the Vizier's Veilweaving. Once again, customizability based on alignment- your alignment sets your abilities. Good protects their allies and buffs, Law has self-defense and battlefield control, Evil lands debuffs and damage, and Chaos has... Something thematic I guess

>Totemist
Not sure where to put this one. It uses the Guru's Veilweaving, of course. Maybe fold the Totem Rager PrC from 3.5e into it- you have a totem that defines your animal themed abilities, powers like rage powers, and the ability to enter an "Incarnum Rage" that boosts your akashic binding stuff. Maybe pull back the natural attack theme and make it the more utility-focused class.

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Brynhildr d'Ivrea.

>Noble born
>dad's a dick, wants her to sit in the kitchen and do kitchen stuff
>she is smart and queries the philosophy about what old people said about the Dark, wonders about the world so decides to go off into the
>level 1 character start GO

First off, I am 100% sure that when porting 3.5 material to pathfinder, you shouldn't actually get 4 times the number of skillpoints at first level while also getting 3 points to trained skills. Player definitely needs to clarify with the GM if they get 8+int points at level start or (8+int) X 4. SERIOUSLY CHECK THIS.

Having said that, the app itself is a fun little thing. There's reason for her to be on adventure, she's a bit pompous because she's sharp as a pin, and she's got good potential.

>Appeal 4/5 smart girl who could be taken down a peg or two, or keep being a bossy know-it-all
>Backstory 4/5 Simple, adds some folks that could be used as a backstory or forgotten, gives a reason for journeying.
Compatibility 4/5 Initiator/mid-caster. Knowledge bank. Pretty handy all round.

I'd find a place with a full university a bit odd, but it's not entirely out there. Nothing much I'd change for this app.

>>52533320
I base the numbers on how likely it's going to look to the GM. All three really are well written apps, but that kind of story is needs a whole campaign based round it, not a game that looks like it's going to focus on episodic folks with wanderlust that Shardwalkers looks like.

>>52533612
JUST

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>>52533111
>yfw you read that as "does she like it in the getter"

>>52533947
Would you have judged the previous reviews with numbers similar to what they got, out of curiosity? Just wondering if there's a different baseline or if you've rolled some of the shittier apps to review (which *does* happen)

>>52533957

I don't get it.

>>52533993
gutter
getter
they're one letter off

>>52533996

I mean, I don't get why you'd think it's "getter" when "gutter" is more accurate to the situation.

That's like laughing at "we must assess the situation" because "assess" is three letters away from "ass"

>>52534019
>Pun flew over the cuckoo's nest

>>52534052

... What pun? How is "getter" a pun?

>>52533967
Ehh
>akane
>appeal sure, backstory, possibly 3/5, but 30 years of adventuring and level 1? Probably could have 2/5. compatibility 4/5

>CRIMSON GLEAM
>3/5, 2/5, 4/5. Backstory just doesn't seem as compelling. Points off for ambiguous wording in it.

>GERUND C LEGG
>4/5, 4/5, 4/5. Bit iffy on the thesis but he's got a goal worth looking into, so it's a step above Akane and Gleam.

>KATHERINE ELBOURNE
>3/5, 2/5, 2/5 Not already a shardwalker means points off, and healslut isn't great if you can't fight good too.

>LEVIA UMBOROS
>2/5, 2/5, 2/5 Again, see other triple app thing for why.

I'd rate it overall a bit more harshly. Other anon was mostly on the mark, though.

>>52533947
Alright, Eclaire should be ready for review.

>>52534067
>a joke exploiting the different possible meanings of a word or the fact that there are words that sound alike but have different meanings.
>"the pigs were a squeal (if you'll forgive the pun)"
>synonyms: play on words, wordplay, double entendre, innuendo, witticism, quip, bon mot

>>52534067
To throw a line, Getter Robo, I think?

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>>52534187
Tanith Umboros
>see above for sister
>but replace manipulator with swords

>Appeal 2/5 see above
>Backstory 1/5 See above, but apparently is a navy seal who's confirmed in 300 confirmed gorrila raids and lead armies while commanding the full force of the Irkalla Desert Army. While at level 1. No thanks.
>Compatibility 2/5 Literally following her sister around because she says so. Nope.

It'd be fine if it were for a level 6 or even level 4 app, but at level 1? Nope, nope nope nope. There's no reason for her to adventure. There's no reason for her not to build an army up and try to get back her place that she knows has been stolen from her. It just doesn't fit the campaign. It really is a shame because all three apps work synergystically in both backstory and mechanics wise, but... just not here.

>>52534188
Sure thing.

>tfw I gave [redacted] advice on his Blingmaker app
>tfw was talking with authority despite having only 50/50 odds myself
>If [redacted] gets rejected, it might be my fault
You guys think BlingmakerDM likes Petyr Baelish characters?

Reposting in current thread

>>52534290
>You guys think BlingmakerDM likes Petyr Baelish characters?

Anon... Let me put it this way.

Half the characters posted for Blingmaker are machiavellian powermongers, and the other half are greedy ambitious types.

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>>52534272
Yeah, Getter Robo is an anime about a giant combining robot.

>also wearing that spandex when you're around 30

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>>52534272
>>52534373

I'm sorry, I don't watch children's cartoons.

>>52534371
Okay good, I've never actually looked at the lfg posting. I gave standard character advice based on what he was trying to do.

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>>52534396
>oh I'm too old for this
What a faggot. Probably thinks his fucking ponies aren't for kids while he's at it.

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>>52534565
not after Hiroshimoot they're not

>>52534371
Well the GM did ask for things like that so I don't know what you were expecting.

>>52534396
>Doesn't watch children's cartoons
>Posts a children's Cain from moonland

What's a faggot

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>>52534275
Avur!

>he read in a comic he wouldn't be bullied if he were a superhero
>so this guy taught him how to throw a punch
>Now he will become... SUPER MONK

This physically hurts to read. Please, no, stop.

Real talk: Why did his family dislike him? Why are there cartoons in this world? Who's this primary teacher? How did his teacher foster a flame for adventure and fighting injustice?

There are questions that probably need answers, but I'm not going to be the one to demand them.
>Appeal 2/5 A literal comic book hero who's somehow quiet but wears a cape.
>Backstory 2/5 The kindest thing I can say is that it makes chronological sense, and there's a vague reason for going out into the wild, but again, a caped defender could just as easily stay in one shard to fight injustice without ever having to wander.
>compatibility 2/5 He's capable of hitting people with +4 to hit and 1d6 damage, and that's about it. Sheet is incomplete. Best I can say is he's not going to actually actively mess up the party.

Picture unrelated because I can't even stand that. If I was to rewrite the app, I'd give a reason for the old man to teach him to stand up for justice, give him a cause to journey, and give him a defining event. But frankly it just looks terrible.

>>52532849
> It's a lot more balanced than traditional magic, and all of the "This spell changes how your world works." type effects are in their own section where it's explicitly stated that you need special permission to take them. Martials don't feel utterly useless in a mid- to high-level group with spherecasters.
> It lets you build a spellcaster that much more closely mimics fantasy spellcasters you see in media, like books and movies.
> If you want a more traditional "book" mage, they have options for spellbooks, spell creation, and even rituals.
> Casters have useful at-will abilities that prevent five-minute workdays, and their resources are a lot easier to fit into the world thematically... what the fuck even are spell slots anyway?
>It has amazing versatility, allowing you to build almost any type of caster you want by mixing and matching spheres, talents, and drawbacks.

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Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.

Would you the barbarian princess?

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>>52534826
If I can I wouldn't. But good God do I want the barbarian princess to me.

>>52534187
Levia Umboros has a page and a half of backstory before she's even born. The character barely gets two sentences to herself before the other two characters intrude on the rest of that one paragraph she's even in.

Why do people do this to their characters?

>>52533371
Wow, it's almost as if they're a company with multiple individuals who've got different things to do, instead of being a unified faceless mass!
Fancy thaaaaaat~!
Go fuck yourself.

>>52534871
Honestly how much of a backstory can you have at level 1 At least Mari has a short one

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>>52534826
I would anything if it's a demihuman female, sapient, doesn't look like a beast, and is actually hot and willing.

>>52532822
>you get to both heal and raise the dead at level 1
And they both suck at level 1

>>52534826
I would that so hard she'd have to activate rage to keep from falling unconscious.

>>52534922
You shouldn't have too much, obviously, but you can at least have a little bit.

There's a decent range in between "four score and 7 years ago..... and then finally <character name here> was born!" and "after leading wars from the front for fifteen years and individually personally slaying dragon after golem after mecha-godzilla again, she finally returned home to find her kingdom inexplicably missing, her armies scattered and the pet tarrasque she had tamed in her childhood kidnapped for ransom, and then she reached level 1".

>>52534944
Anon, no. If you do that then when the rage ends she'll drop into negatives and have a good chance of dying.

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>>52534925
Is this you?

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>>52534971

>>52533817
I throw a box of teacups at it! Because Juggy is a jobber

>>52534826
After 7th level barbarians are immune to dicks, so I can't. I could give her a friend-licking as pals though.

>>52534971
I'm not so much into BDSM so she's unchained and just eats the loss of THP.

>>52534826
Honestly? No, I wouldn't.

>>52534984
He did say hot and "doesn't look like a beast" so tubbardians and hags are probably right out.

... I like the 'biologically female' quip though; it's a reminder that there's nothing wrong with wanting to fuck something that's actually a fully functional woman and not some guy with plastic surgery

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>>52534969
>"after leading wars from the front for fifteen years and individually personally slaying dragon after golem after mecha-godzilla again, she finally returned home to find her kingdom inexplicably missing, her armies scattered and the pet tarrasque she had tamed in her childhood kidnapped for ransom, and then she reached level 1".
I've found my new character concept.

>>52534994
Maybe yours, but an unchained monk can make unarmed strikes with /any/ part of the body.

>>52535051
lol, i addack with my benis XDDDDD

>>52535103
Make sure you pick up Hamatulatsu as a feat.

>>52535126
Dick jokes are one of the lowest form of humor.

inb4 wheredouyouthinkyouare.jpg

>>52535277
I'd like to give that barbarian princess the lowest form.

What areas of Golarion are most likely to spawn lvl 1 adventurers?

Would it be reasonable for a group of lvl 1s to hail from somewhere in Ustalav, for example?

>>52535395
Varisia.

>>52535395
Varisia

>>52535395
Varisia, Birthplace of Legends

>>52535416
>>52535427
>>52535453
Thanks. Varisia it is then.

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Alright /pfg/, tell me about your fun times in using the ARG Race Builder to make fun races! Or just share races you made without ARG, if that's how you prefer it.

Really, just share your homebrew races

Dammit Plague, stop trying to turn me into a furry

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>>52535615
I've made a couple of races. For example, my Half-Giant race.

Standard Racial Traits

Ability Score Racial Traits: Specialized +2 Strength, +2 Constitution, and -2 Intelligence. (1 RP)
Size: Half-giants are Large creatures. (7 RP)
Type: Half-giants are Humanoid creatures with both the human and giant subtypes. (0 RP)
Base Speed: Half-giants have a base speed of 30 feet. (0 RP)
Languages: Half-giants begin play speaking Common and Giant. Half-giants with high Intelligence scores can choose from the following: Aklo, Draconic, Dwarven, Goblin, Orc, and Terran. (0 RP)

Ability Score Racial Traits:
-Advanced Strength (+2) (4 RP)

Defense Racial Traits:

-Natural Armor: Half-giants have thick skin, granting them a +1 natural armor bonus. (2 RP)
-Improved Natural Armor: (+2) (2 RP)
-Rock Catching: Members of this race can catch Small, Medium, or Large rocks (or projectiles of similar shape). Once per round, a member of this race that would normally be hit by a rock can make a Reflex saving throw to catch it as a free action. The DC is 15 for a Small rock, 20 for a Medium rock, and 25 for a Large rock (if the projectile provides a magical bonus on attack rolls, the DC increases by that amount). The member of this race must be aware of the attack in order to make a rock catching attempt. (2 RP)

Feat and Skill Racial Traits

-Survivor: Half-giants gain a +2 racial bonus to Survival checks. This Increases to a +4 in Mountainous environments. (3 RP)
-Intimidating Build: Half-giants receive a +2 racial bonus on Intimidate checks due to their size. (2 RP)

Offense Racial Traits

-Reach: Members of this race have a reach of 10 feet. (1 RP)
-Rock Throwing (As core) (3 RP)

Senses Racial Traits

Low-Light Vision:: Half-giants can see twice as far as humans in conditions of dim light. See Vision and Light. (1 RP)

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Can you craft a homunculus that is small or medium sized when it is created? Like, I vaguely recall there being a rule in the bestiary about being able to increase a creature's size if you increase the Racial HD a certain amount, but does that apply here?

>Craft Construct, as a feat, has been around for 8~ years
>still totally barebones in almost every area
>meanwhile Craft Wondrous can do everything under the sun

>>52535615

Something tells me that's not happening.

>>52535615
>Mole-men: https://pastebin.com/vP8n2YRQ
>Ported Neopets: https://pastebin.com/7e8FzV1W

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Could /pfg/ please lend some advice on an idea for a certain setting element? This might just appear in a Pathfinder game I will GM.

The idea is here: >>52535995

>>52536021
It's shit

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>>52536268
Your contribution has been noted, indexed, categorized, and filed away for further review.

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>>52536021

As an example of what this can do, consider a lowly, CR 2 ovinnik, a fey cat:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/house-spirit/ovinnik/

An ovinnik is already a house spirit accustomed to accepting offerings:
>A wise farmer placates resident ovinniks with frequent gifts of warm milk, pancakes, or dead roosters.

Now, give the ovinnik a luxurious home all for itself, in exchange for blessing any townsfolk or cityfolk who come asking it for a blessing.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/house-spirit/ovinnik/
>Luck Touch (Su)
>With a claw attack or touch attack, an ovinnik can alter a creature’s luck. If the target fails a DC 14 Will save, it either gains a +4 bonus or takes a –4 penalty (the ovinnik’s choice) on its next three d20 rolls. The target can choose to automatically fail the saving throw, but must choose before it knows whether the touch will be beneficial or harmful. The save DC is Charisma-based.

Given that this ability is at-will, the town or city now has a reliable source of blessings for many of its endeavors.

>>52536299
You're welcome

>>52536021
Starting with weakest kami in PF and an overview of kami in the setting.
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MonsterDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Shikigami

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>>52536466

Pathfinder's kami are no more suited to the concept described above as Pathfinder's other outsiders and fey.

A CR 2 shikigami kami certainly is not going to be as much of an asset to a town or a city as a CR 2 ovinnik, for example.

>>52536411
>fey
>reliable

>>52536570
Yes.

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>>52534984
Poplan is great.

>>52536570

You can't rely on fae to be unreliable all the time, anon; sometimes they get into a dependability stint for a few centuries.

>>52536543
They are however the kami that exist in PF. Fey are not kami and play by very different rules. Devils, angels, oni and the rest are also not kami, each playing by their own natures.

Is it poor form to re-use an unaccepted app's build for a new /pfg/ game? The character would be different, but same class+archetype and maybe race choice.

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>>52536640

There is also nothing stopping someone from inviting a celestial or a similar creature to live a comfortable life in a shrine-manor where it will be tended to and where it can help other people.

>>52536672
I don't think it is but /pfg/ has the same mentality as consumer whores and constantly need the newest devices.

>>52536672
I did it and got into the second game, though admittedly both were Wrath of the Righteous games. If it's similar enough, it should work.

>>52536672
Nigga so long as you change the background and shit to match the new game there's nothing wrong with totally recycling a character.

>>52536706
>>52536707
>>52536729
Now what if I DID re-use some character elements? Name, art, birthplace, major events. Not reusing all of those at the same time, but using a fair amount.

>>52536749
I feel that's going too far.
Personally I think the most one should recycle is the build. But the history and personality, those should be written more appropriate to the new setting.

I find it quite noticeable when someone's just reworded a few words (like changing the village names)

If you're starting a character at level 6, realistically how much could they have done at that point? What's a level 6 character capable of, power-level wise?

>>52536749
>>52536749
I literally copy pasted the app, but again, it was for the same AP in both instances.

>>52536840
>>52536781
So probably okay for the same campaign/AP, but if it's different change the backstory, and maybe personality?

>>52536672
Nah that shits fine

>>52536889
What pfg things is not necessarily what a GM things. /pfg/ will probably bash you for completely recycling a character, while a GM may or may not care.

>>52536749
Wasn't Rinka literally a recycled RotJR app modified slightly?

>Spherecasters can't stop time
>Even the Time Handbook doesn't let you do it outside of a talent that lets you briefly speak to someone in stopped time
>SoP in general has pretty bland time magic that could get placed into other spheres almost seamlessly
I just want to be a timelord, god damn it.
Anyone got any suggestions for stuff to look into?

>>52536832

A level 6 character is an expert in their field, the greatest singer in their city or the finest bowman in a region.

>>52536889
Just alter them to fit the campaign

>>52536832
Quite a bit. They might have rumors about them in the country they're from, or be well known in the city they live in.

Level 7-10 is when people start leading organizations, so a level 6 would be pretty close to that.

High ranking Hellknight officers/leaders are anywhere from 6-9. The actual leaders of each Order are around 10.

>>52536935
Yes.

>>52536933
Speaking of, do we have any hints as to Blingmaker GM's criteria, his likes and dislikes? I feel like what could otherwise be a stronger app might end up getting passed over for this campaign.

>>52536937
Time Freeze Talent. Fucking read.

And the reason there isn't a lot of time stuff is because it's hard making time themed abilities not broken as fuck both in combat and narratively.

>>52536937
>why can't I break action economy completely?
Makes me ponder.

>>52536937
Time element for kineticist in Jolly's Porphyra book. One of the high level talent is at will time stop. You can only get it as early as level 16 though.

>>52536672
It's fine, some autists here might screech about people refluffing their Molthune Knights submissions for BitF and the like, but who the fuck are they to decide what's right and wrong?

>>52537000
Time Freeze is a fart that dazes in an aoe, except it's a bad daze. Also, the handbook is full of stuff that completely shitter-shatter both the combat and the narrative while somehow managing to be totally bland.

>>52537047
I'm not looking to have 5 standard actions per turn, I'm looking for actual flavorful time magic instead of changing a thing's speed or some bland buff that should be in the enhancement sphere. Give me something like that "lmao you can clone yourself now" talent from the handbook, but instead of literally doubling your fucking action economy it lets you take 1-2 extra turns once per week.

>>52537052
I'll look into it, thanks.

>>52537047
explain to me how a time stop effect breaks the action economy harder than a summoner or something

So what's the deal with Mivoni swordlords? Do they also share the name Aldori, or is Mivoni or something else? How dumb would it be to have a Mivoni born decide that "swords are dumb and gay, I like polearms" and want to start their own school for lances and shit. A lancelord if you will.

>>52537091
Speaking of BitF, I'm surprised nobody's memed the applicants yet. It seems to happen to every /pfg/ game.

Do the characters know their own levels and stats? Like does my kitsune look at herself and think "My chest is only this big because I have 11 in Cha."

Does my warlord look at his nodachi and think "Only two more level ups until I can dual wield nodachis. Arigato Obama-sama."

>>52536977
So there we have it, A character that got into a high profile-game was a reused app from another high profile game

If this isn't proof that reusing apps is just fine, I don't know what the fuck is.

>>52537116
>So what's the deal with Mivoni swordlords?

They're cheap imitations of Aldori Swordlords, knock-offs if you will. Every Mivonese Swordlord claims they're not like the others, retaining the purity of the Restov branch, but we all know it's hogwash.

>>52537000
That's not a time stop effect and you know it, anon.

Nice trips by the way.

>>52537121
Give it time, it's still a pretty new game and people are still going bonkers over Blingmaker. Once it gets to about one week left in applications I'm sure we'll have memes and reviews aplenty.

>>52537098
Ok, you're looking for vancian magic then.

>>52537115
>explain to me how a broken option doesn't justify another broken option
Yup.

>>52537141
Then again, Dragons2 was decided based on random chance. At least it wasn't tarot cards this time.

>>52537159
I'm still not convinced of that, given I don't see how Rinka, Calsi, and Liozis fit the 'Team ROAR' theme.

>>52537156
>Actual flavorful time magic
>Vancian

im not that guy and you've triggered ME anon

>>52537181
Just as keikaku (tl note: keikaku means plan)

>>52537177
Were there others who did?

>>52537202
Aurora, Rory, and Rorymei

They all fit.

>>52537130
Not in mechanical terms like that, and not so precisely. But a wizard does obviously know that he is able to cast spells of the 5th circle.

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>>52535910
>MFW no jetsam

>>52537207
I had meant besides them.

Cause if not, maybe he really wanted a Team Roar and just filled out the remainder with randos?

Or Rinka, Liozis and Calsi were who he wanted to play with and picked the others to fill in the gap, claiming "lel le random chance meme!"

>>52537177
Yes, but there were a half-dozen other teams. The winning team was decided through dice, and the other runner-up teams got put on the waiting list.

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>>52537121
Nobody memed anything in Hell's Rebels. Why?

>>52536977
Even if we know about Wugu as a person, we won't necessarily know what his visions are for this particular campaign.

If you want a general advice, though, read through the other apps and think about what they are not doing and how to make your app stand out from theirs. A character that's just a greedy guy - even with a justifiable backstory - will probably get lost in a sea of greedy guys, but give your character something that no one else has, and you now have something that stands out to the DM amongst a sea of other apps.

A good GM will read your character and think "is there anything interesting that this person will add to the story?" Give that to them; don't just focus on single-gimmick jokes or memes, and you might have a better chance of getting in.

Then again, blingmaker might just be as silly in tone as HR that jokey characters are the best way to go, so take caution before accepting that advice.

>>52537271
Because half the characters were just meme jokes at first, and then the 2hu controversy overshadowed anything else.

>>52537250
Thats my theory, Calsi, Liozis, and Rinka were all chosen, and the rest filled out with a random 'team' of 3

>>52537290
A full half? That seems like too many.

>>52537290
yup

>>52536957
10 (Nail, Pyre) to 16 (Scourge), actually, plus a level 15 Graveknight from the Order of the Crux.
Masters of Blades go up to 10, I think.

>>52537277
>implying blingmaker isn't a bamboozle.

>>52537310
I mean its a Kingmaker campaign so even if its not a Bamboozle, it IS shit.

>>52537177
Calsi and Liozis are literally dragon bards. There is no chance they don't roar. Rinka, being a R@ was probably shoehorned into this crew under the same pretense.

>>52537344
Rinka has a gun. Guns are loud.

>>52537154
There's a pair really fucking strange concepts in BitF just from a cursory look. Some kind of Catman Chosen One, a Dhampir that's gone full edge,

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>>52537344
Maybe the roar of her gun?

>>52536640
I think you are getting too hang up on the "kami" part. If you summon and contract an agathion to reside in your shrine then it effectively becomes something like a kami from the real word and cane ba called such for convenience.

>>52536937
Spheres in general look weirdly balanced. What is base light sphere supposed to do, again?

>>52537277
>3 Bastards
>2 Sword Scions
>3 Rostlanders
>1 Brigand
>2 Issians
Honestly, I hadn't expected such an even spread. You'd expect something like mostly Bastards and Sword Scions, but really, anybody who would normally beeline for Sword Scion seems to have spent their traits on PoW stuff.

>>52537309
Yeah, there's a few higher ones. I think most of them are on the lower end of 11-13 rather than 14+ though.

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>>52537363
The gun... IN HER HEART?

>>52537388
No the one she shoots people with silly.

>>52537277
Not gonna ask for full reviews, but if you've looked over the characters, are there any apps that stand out to you as good or bad examples?

>>52537362
The Catman used a custom race, didn't actually provide any details about it and then asked "This is okay right?" in the chargen thread. It feels like bait.

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>>52537364
>If you summon and contract an agathion to reside in your shrine then it effectively becomes something like a kami from the real word

We have kami in the real world?

>>52537401
All I know is THE NUGGET MAN is pretty entertaining.

>>52537344

>Not wanting to teach a rat how to roar like a true dragon

>>52537407
>It feels like bait.
Don't sell roll20 randos short, anon.

>>52537364
>Spheres in general look weirdly balanced. What is base light sphere supposed to do, again?

The spheres aren't really meant to be balanced against each other. Is the divination school balanced against evocation? The fact that light is it's own sphere is odd, though.

>>52537401
I'd rather not give names, and just wait for reviewanon to do his thing. In the direction of name-dropping lies witch hunts and chaos.

Wugu did say he was open for giving private app reviews in discord when he's not busy, though, so maybe that would be a good resource when he gets around to it.

>>52537364
>What is base light sphere supposed to do, again?
To be fair the Light handbook really fixed that up. It's a solid utility/battlefield control sphere now. Like, very solid, actually.

It's a shame the other handbooks can't be as well-written as Destruction and Light were.
I just checked out the Time handbook after reading that post and it really IS bland. You totally could rename and slightly refluff almost all the stuff it adds and just slot them into Enhancement or Fate or Life, etc. etc.
And then it has total bullshit like a talent that doubles your action economy, literal time travel at like level 5, etc.
What a shame.

>>52537413
Kami is just a Shintoistic concept for a natural spirit, often bound to an object or a location. If you're making a Shinto shrine then any spirit you bind to the shrine is the kami of the shrine, even if it's not an creature type Outsider (kami).

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>>52537290
Do we have logs for Hell's Rebels?

>>52537526
Vult is a stripper/runaway noble and some dog bitch tries to recruit her.

>>52537509
>Destruction

The Destruction book was written like shit, man.

>>52537526

I want to give a busty horned girl a headpat!

>>52537481
>The fact that light is it's own sphere is odd, though.
Light/Dark should've been a combined sphere. Luminosity or something. You'd just pick which one you want, like a neutral cleric picking positive or negative.
Same goes for Life/Death, honestly.

I also have no fucking clue why Weather is not a geomancing package for Nature. In fact, both Nature and Weather are such shit it upsets me.

>>52537212
The last time I brought them up, nobody had any suggestions for Swim speed or the like.

I can make it happen, but it might take a while.

>>52537364
Spheres balance makes no sense to me

>Base Light Sphere is a ranged Light Cantrip +1 and Glory is a thing that exists
>Divination sphere requires 2-3 talents in order to do the same thing as a fuCKING CANTRIP GOD DAMNIT MEYERS
>All individual conjuration companion features cost a talent, no matter how insignificant or ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE they are
>Speak With Animals costs a spell point? But why?
>Everything about Weather. Seriously what the fuck.

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>>52537515

Bear in mind that the concept proposed in >>52535995 is less about binding and more about inviting immortals to live in a shrine-manor tended to by miko-maids.

>>52537561
Why not 40? A little faster then walking but not game breaking.

>>52537466
This. I think that the fact that Ironfang is a brand new AP is going to bring a lot more randoms to the application process than any other /pfg/ game.

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>>52537568
Is Marisa no-pan in this scene?

>>52537495
Isn't this just the same as a review or critique? I don't see how this is any different from a reviewanon doing their thing.

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>>52537533
No, what happened was Vult and Reina were forced to work in a strip club.

>>52537536
I'd have to disagree.
It's balanced well and is loaded with great options.
It's only balanced well if your GM doesn't let you get away with total bullshit like that crossblooded blood havoc sorcerer. Although it's not really the sphere's fault that that works.

>>52537566
Their excuse is that each sphere is meant to stand on it's own and not be compared to the others.
Which is total bullshit, but apparently it's good enough for them.

>>52537600
The point is that Vult is a dirty whore.

>>52537611
Blood Havoc doesn't really work with spheres tho

>>52537561
Just give them undine movement.

>>52537536
I don't think there is a single handbook that is universally loved or hated.

I need the who's who concerning WWW's applicant's underwears.

>>52537596
Well no. Reviewanon is just that. An anon.

This is the GM personally telling you what he likes or doesn't like. You can extrapolate from there what his fetishes are. Then you...

Gotta make an app that hits ALL the fetishes, son.

>>52537624
Why not? A destructive blast being cast by a Sphere Sorcerer is equivalent to a Sorcerer spell. You just gotta take Sphere Focus (Destruction). It's on your GM to not allow that shit, but it works.

>>52537683
sphere focus and spell focus are not the same

Realistically its on your GM to allow it, and does not work by RAW

>>52537384
Hm, to list
Torrent-8 (Fighter 5/HK 3)-Minor order, though
Coil-10 (Fighter 7/HK 3)-Traitors
Nail-10 (Fighter 4/Rogue 2/HK 4)
Pyre-10 (Ranger 6/HK 10)
Rack-11 (Sorcerer 10/HK 1)
Scar-12 (Slayer 8/HK 4)
Godclaw-12 (Fighter 4/Cleric 2/HK 6)
Chain-12 (Fighter 5/HK 7)
Gate-13 (Wizard 11/HK 2)
Wall-13 (Fighter 8/HK 5)
Pike-13 (Cavalier 5/HK 8)
Glyph-15 (Fighter 9/HK 6)
Crux-15 (Fighter 5/HK 10)-Graveknight, so effectively 2 levels higher
Scourge-16 (Rogue 2/Fighter 4/HK 10)
About half on 10-12, the other half on 13-16, although, interestingly, most of the strongest Lictors come from minor orders.

>>52537558
I would have made Light and Dark both parts of Enhancement, I think.

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>>52537683
>>52537701

Here is the official stance on this, courtesy of Adam Meyers:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/44264665/#44268357

The damage potential of the Destruction sphere is heavily GM-dependent, because it relies on:

1. Whether or not the GM allows the Sacred Blast advanced talent for Destruction.

2. Whether or not the GM allows a sorcerer focus sphere to stack with an incanter sphere specialization.

3. Whether or not the GM allows custom blast talents using the point-buy creation in the Destruction handbook.

4. Whether or not the GM allows the orc bloodline arcana to affect spherecasting.

5. Whether or not the GM allows the blood havoc sorcerer bloodline mutation.

The more of these the GM allows, the stronger Destruction will be.

>>52537732
thanks 2hu

>>52537714
I'm guessing that's because the minor orders were either written later or used specifically for adventures as villains. The power level of Golarion seems to have skewed much higher as time's gone by.

>>52537611
>Their excuse is that each sphere is meant to stand on it's own and not be compared to the others.
>Which is total bullshit, but apparently it's good enough for them.

Why is this bullshit?

>>52537752
For the same reason that feats are bullshit

>>52537732
I agree with all those, its all based on GM allowing.

>>52537752
Which one of these would you rather take:

1) For the price of 2 magic talents you gain the ability to force an enemy to make a will save or become dazed.

2) For the price of 4 magic talents you gain the ability to force an enemy to make a fortitude save or become entangled for 3 rounds.

>>52537749
All of these come from the same book, though. Also, of the minor orders, Pike is explicitly Lawful Good and so is Torrent. Crux's Lictor's was already a statted out enemy a while before.
Vidoc of the Scourge is LN, seemingly leaning good from his bio, in one of the less cruel orders.
Rack's Lictor is new, there was another lictor before Path of the Hellknight. (Also, she's somehow LN when her idea is to 'purge the filthy mudblood wizards, sorcerers only')

>>52537401
Not that anon, but here's a few standouts.
The Good
>Harland made me laugh

The Bad
>Antoinette's format makes reading the app a chore
>Invictus' player needs to think deeply about his life choices

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>>52537837
>Pike
They also have a swanky order and cavalier archetype combo.

Have we already forgotten about LoB&F mates?

>>52537907
I think the "I want to see Essa cocksleeved and broken" posting ruined it.

>>52537907
Not really, but any mention of them got crowded out by alignment/Nasu bullshit for a few threads.

I expect greentexts or leaked ERP will reignite some talk. But hey, I'd be down for some shipping bullshit. Who looks good together?

>>52537714
>>52537749
I more equate it to the smaller orders require a stronger cult of personality and stronger leader to maintain their independence and identity.

>>52537907
Who was the final team, anyway?

>>52537907
There's nothing really there to meme about yet, though, unless you want to shitpost about how someone stole the C@ idea, which would be pointless and probably false anyway.

>>52537290
But my blinkling maid wasn't a meme joke ;_;

>>52537526
HR is not lewd.

>>52537611
>Their excuse is that each sphere is meant to stand on it's own and not be compared to the others.
If this is true then it literally boggles my mind. How can you fancy yourself a designer and be this stupid?

>>52537954
Two words: Elf MILF

>>52537939
Someone prepare one of those shipping charts.

>>52537987
Yes, and?

>>52537950
>Catgirl slave
>Elf MILF trying to get her groove back
>Aladdin
>Brevic fuckboy
>Moeblob
>Sleepy reverse trap

>>52538000
no

>>52537611
Reminder that doesn't do that much damage and at worst you're now on par with a standard paizo martial.

Like that is essentially literally no worse than a regular vanician sorcerer taking Crossblooded and Blood Havoc.

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>>52537984
>HR is not lewd.

It has doggirl strippers and dogboy trap maids!

>>52538085

That sounds LEWD!

>>52537939
As >>52537931 said Essa x mind break is the spicy meme.

>>52538078
In the DPR game, yes. However, Destruction sphere can create absurd nova characters if your GM lets you munchkin the fuck out of it. We're talking, like, 400 damage at level 5.

>>52538095
Neither did the post I was responding to.

>>52538085
The doggirl isnt the stripper, the conspiracy theorist is

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>>52538118

I also have a demonstration of what can be done with an "all-day" Destruction build under heavy GM restrictions here: https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/48382763/#48382882

Out of the parameters listed in >>52537732, it assumes that the GM allows only #1.

What monsters are know for having a tendency toward grappling its victims?

>>52538118
The "muh megumin knock yourself out after one shot" build doesn't come online till like level 7 actually.

And I don't think anyone would actually bring that to the table, because that's not even fun or efficient.

That being said, I do feel like there needs to be a Spell Point per sphere effect limit like Psionics has.

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>>52538184
Lamias are the obvious ones. Most any enemy with tentacles, too.

>>52537600
That's actually a complete lie! Alexa Jones, AKA Lady Veritas, was undercover at a burlesque show, Reina contacted her and spaghetti'd all over the place, and then they had to run when Thrune's Goons showed up!

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>>52538184
Anything with grab.

>>52538211
I swear I've seen people knocking around one that was like level 4 that shit out 200 damage.

>PLD loses a player for [some normal reason]
>Vult needs a replacement
Would anyone still volunteer?

>>52538184

The neck in particular.

>>52538065
>implying Essa isn't a moeblob

>>52537495
Really? I'm not seeing anything about that on the LFG page, or even a Discord name given.

But for future reference, what's Blingmaker GM's discord?

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>>52538215
How much of the HR party is noble girls or some such shit?

>>52538238
She is, she just has more of a focused schtick than "is moe".

>>52538184

Orcs.

>>52538247
Only one. One of them is pretending to be a noble MAN though! The rest are just concerned citizens, or a literal angel from heaven.

>>52538238
>DHB perfects the moeblob.

>>52538184
Suspiciously out-of-place gnolls

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>That new app for Blingmaker

WAKE UP ANIKI.

>>52538229
That guy was blatantly exaggerating. I remember that thread. The whole "I do 200 damage at level 4" build required upwards of 40 spell-point(which was next to impossible for a level 4 Sphere caster) and was more of a testament to steal time being broken

>>52537987
Elf MILF x big strong gnoll

>>52538211
>>52538229
Level 6 is when the megumeme build gets enough SP to max out the 4x blasts with metamagic, but it works as soon as you can afford 2 quicken, 1 empowered, over three orbs at full cl. That's probably a lot earlier than 6, even less so if you don't go full cl.

>>52538177
2hu you seem to have a billion spherecaster builds
do you have a pastebin repository for them
i may want to play one of them in my upcoming game

>>52538085
There is a doggirl maid that is not a stripper (yet) and a wolfboy trap that is not a maid. And Alex Jones genderbent expy that is a stripper. You have mixed your facts!

>>52538177
Its funny because Sacred Blast is something I would never allow

>>52538281
Meh, It's okay.
False sense of namefag celebrity aside, it's actually kind of a mess. The backstory is a little odd in its format, the random bold text is distracting and makes it a pain to read, and the Griffith did nothing wrong joke seems forced.

Otherwise pretty standard, for a /pfg/ app. Seems to be still chasing the daddy meme. 6.5 or 7/10.

>>52538331
>And Alex Jones genderbent expy that is a stripper. You have mixed your facts!

Why can't I shake the feeling she's basically Streamer-chan.

How tall is 1.72 meters for a female character?

>>52538354
boku no google you nigger

>>52538354
Slightly above average.

>>52538354
About 5'7"

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>>52538354
>sub 2m womanlets

>>52538362

Compared to the average in Pathfinder.

>>52538303
>as soon as you can afford 2 quickes and one empower and three orbs
QuickenX2: 8
1 Empowered: 2
3 full Orbs at full CL: 6
16 spell points.

It's possible, but it also means you need to take almost every drawback in the book for extra spell points. At that point it's not really Destruction/Crossblooded issue it's a "GM needs to put their foot down when it comes to people taking drawbacks" issue.

>>52538351
>Streamer-chan.
No, camwhore/gamergirl/idol is someone else!

>>52538385
Admixture elementalist gets essentially 2x level of sp, and soulfire can bring an extra 4-ish if you care to pump con.

>>52538385
Munchkins will munchkin. It's not really possible to make a system munchkin-proof without also making it really fuckin' bland.

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>>52538313

I do not.

>>52538414
maybe you should spend a bit of time and compile one

wait if you don't have one do you just remember your old posts? how do you find them?

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>>52538430

I use the search function of this archive: https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/

Honestly the worst mistake Destruction made was allowing 'full round casting time for all day full damage blasting'

fucking dumb

How tall should be a female tiefling slayer?

>>52538458
ah, i see, so you search for keywords you can recall from the post

well, if you recall any more spherecaster builds you've done and happen to accidentally link them i'll be sure to check them out

>>52538478
>should be
If you don't have an idea of how you want your character to look, just roll for it.

>>52538478
6ft 6.6in

>>52538478
Four foot eight.

>>52538409
Level 5 Admixture Elementalist(assuming no drawbacks)
>Has 5+CAM+5 virtual for metamagic
So more like 15 +4 from soul fire and you're out.
So it's possible if you want to be a one trick pony who can only do his trick once a day. It's not a practical build to bring to the table.


>>52538413
That's why I said DM's should probably put their foot down on how many drawbacks they allow. I personally only allow 2 general drawbacks. You can take more for fluff if you want, but you won't benefit from it.
>>52538466
That's not really busted. A full round action is a big commitment.

>>52538478
3'6" so i can bully the shit out of her

>>52538525
For a caster its really not most of the time.

>>52538532
But that schtick's already taken by Blingmaker with KyrasxMilre

>>52538281
I'll keep a lid on my maximumoverhype until Valeriyaplayer makes her submission.

>>52538524
Correct!

>>52538532
Or this! There's a racial variant to be Small sized!

>>52538544
its a good shtick.

>>52538478

2.45m.

>>52538538
It is. Especially when metamagic and the like comes online. And even then Destruction damage doesn't get silly until EXTREME metamagic comes into play.

Some guy doing 15d6+30 ALL DAY isn't going to break anything. Initiators and Martial will be shitting all over that.

We need a reviewanon, a reviewanon for blingmaker.

>>52538544

Nah, Kyras x Milre is small dom top with large sub bottom.

Tiefling Slayer should be small power bottom with large sub top.

Basically, a tiny girl demanding the guy mount her and use her.

>>52538597
No but its he can do that for absolutely no cost and still nova the fuck out of shit when he really needs to.

Rather annoying.

>>52538560
>>52538544
But which of them would actually be the dom or the sub in that relationship? Big, bad, black knight doesn't really seem like the type to let someone else take control.

I'd see it more as just a lot of cuddling and vanilla, myself.

>>52538615
Small dom is best though

>>52538634
Small male dominating a much larger and THICCER female is the best setup.

>>52538525
level 4 admixture savant elementalist
Quicken Metamagic
Empowered Metamagic
Any third level feat (extra spell points is a good option)
Race agnostic as long as at least 18 int, 16 con, or 20 int 14 con. (second one better because DCs)
Magical signs, Somatic Casting, Verbal Casting, two of which are going towards overcharge because we're "haha that megumeme"

SP= level x 2 + CAM + drawbacks + soulfire
Assume soulfire to 8 con since we're K.O.ing ourselves with overcharge anyway.

using the 20 int and 14 con
SP = 4 x 2 + 5 + 1 + 3 = 17

That's with 0 wbl investment, any FCB/race stuff. Also we could have used maximize here as well, or time shifted a single target half cr blast, more so if we did take extra sp feat or more drawbacks.

Result: three orbs totaling 21d6 or 73.5 average, though DCs are a thing so it'll be lower. But it's over an area so yeah.

>>52538658
Demonstrably wrong.

>>52538624
>at no cost
So can a full attacking archer?
>and still nova the fuck out of shit
So can any initiator. An optimized destruction caster is basically a martial running around in wizard robes with the amount of talent investment and feat investment required.

>>52538634

You misunderstand.

A power bottom is still a dom, it just means they prefer being the passive partner in the bedroom but take an active role in the flow of what goes on in the bedroom.

>>52538597
Different guy, and I agree wholeheartedly that someone who spent the talents should be able to do that, but consider the following: There are pathfinder players right now who would think being able to do 1d3+(Int Mod) Acid Damage as a ranged touch attack, at-will, is skeevy, and that being able to full attack with that is overpowered as fuck. At level 9. When it's being fired from a crossbow, which means it needs to be reloaded.

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>>52538667
Wrong.

>>52538673
>initiators
>novaing

I'd laugh if it wasn't for the fact that initiators can recover their maneuvers so easily its hard to consider what they do as 'nova' in any sense.

>>52538664
You can't take soulfire at four.

>>52538614
I would like this. I've been working on my app quite a bit and want to see what other improvements can be made.

>>52538664
Thanks for posting a retarded build that literally doesn't matter.

>>52538691
a well built fighter will still "nova" harder than basically anything else in the entire game