Why are female orcs always ditzy musclebimbos whereas male orcs

Female anything usually looks like a sexy woman in cosplay for /tg/ stuff.

>>52508737
You know why, I know why, this entire board understands why. This entire thread is pointless.

>>52508737
Are you asking for big bara orc boys?

>>52508786
Yeah. Rape culture.

>>52508737
To be fair, I don't usually see the particularly ugly males paired with bombastic females. When they're together they are either more or less appealing together.

Granted, when you have a bunch of one off pictures of monstrous males or hot females separately that doesn't help things.

>>52508737
>ditzy
I'm not certain you know what that word means.
Unless you're implying every scantily clad orc misplaced their clothes in some sort of domestic misadventure, I guess.

>>52508737
It's the survival strategy of the orcs. If they lose their wars and males get killed, somebody has to preserve the race.

>>52508867
Used to waifuposting I guess.

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>>52508737

Tolkien's orc isn't the standard. This is.

>>52508737
Do you want the males to also be ditzy musclebimbos?

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>>52509882
Maybe just some tasty green beefcakes.

>>52508737
Because we as a society are ultimately still not comfortable with women being in the role of "random mook who gets killed and you feel good about it" so when orcs fill that role you only see the men.

This leaves female orcs with heroic and sexual roles, both of which trend towards the attractive end of the line.

You'll also notice that there's a lot of orc men in japanese porn for some reason, and while they typically fill the role of "oveweight/hairy/buff dude who assblasts small delicate female" that japanese society loved to death, they're still more anthropomorphic and generically attractive than a Tolkein orc.

>>52509924
I think a lot of those japanese porn orcs don't even have their own females, thus the literal rape culture. Must involve funky genetics too, or they'd have bred themselves out of existence pretty quickly.

>>52508737
Slavs are like that.
Ugly men with hot babes.
English opposite, ugly women with attractive males.

>>52508737

Because modern orcs are modelled after slavs

someone post that oglaf pic please. you know which.

>>52508737
Because MUH MAGICAL REALM!

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>Some people think orcs are sexy
>Green skin
>Tusks
If I wanted to get my musclefetish on, I'd go for brown muscle elves

>>52510839

Muscular female orcs predate your brown muscle elf trash, you fucking mong.

>>52509924
>Because we as a society are ultimately still not comfortable with women being in the role of "random mook who gets killed and you feel good about it"
Feminists are strangely uninterested in *that* aspect of gender equality.

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>>52508737

>>52508737
>Why are female orcs always ditzy musclebimbos whereas male orcs are ugly assholes?

You: Enemies are for killing and taking their stuff.
Me: Woman enemies are "their stuff" and should be worth taking.

*millenia of war crimes*

>>52508816
So, Wow orcs?

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>>52510919
I don't care about what came first, green skin and tusks aren't sexy. Brown skin and kissable lips on the other hand are pretty nice.

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>>52511199
>green skin and tusks aren't sexy

Speak for yourself, loser.

>>52510919
...You know, I'm not sure if that's right.

Non-monster orcs are basically a WoW thing. Green super warrior orcs were introduced by Warhammer, but they don't have females, and they're pretty much monsters.

Brown elves started appearing in anime in the 80's. Warcraft: Orcs & Humans wasn't released until 1994.

>>52511250
and orcs having women didn't happen until WoW. There weren't any lady orcs in WC3. Or lady trolls or tauren for that matter.

>>52511269
>and orcs having women didn't happen until WoW
...no, garona's in orcs and humans

>why are Asian women sexy but Asian males gooks?
>why are ginger women god-tier but ginger males dropped in their faces?
>why are Brazilian women sex incarnate while Brazilian males mostly third world Italians?

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Because orcs and half-orcs, in a modern sense, are a stand-in for niggers.

>>52511304
Not even black men like black women though.

>>52511319
nah black women dont like black men

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>>52511319
>>52511336
literally NO ONE likes niggers

>>52511319
>>52511336
>even black people don't like black people

>>52511250
>>52511269

Warhammer orcs originally had women and they even had minis of their own.

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>>52511304
>Because orcs and half-orcs, in a modern sense, are a stand-in for niggers.

Wrong.

>>52511356
Well duh. Why do you think the only thing they're good at is killing one another?

its hilarious how this thread things the answer is "racism" not "we have loudly broadcast to the world we will masturbate to anything remotely sexual"

>>52511356
Yeah, that's kind of a reason they're so violent and angry all the time. I would be too if I had shitty hair, big lips and skin the color of mud.

>>52511250
>Non-monster orcs are basically a WoW thing

I have back issues of Foniks with "Orcs as people" articles older than you and your entire misbegotten generation.

>>52508737
Somebody must post the comic where death mushrooms complain that human males look like ugly chicks.

>>52511527
It's basicaly the same as >>52511122

>>52511426
yeah, back when Warhammer was a DnD ripoff.

So, during the first two editions

>>52511730
ye, but it's also funny

Just create two orc subspecies.

One is a species that genetically fits in with humans, elves, dwarves, etc. The typical muscled pretty elf-orcs. Big on strength, big on independence.

The other one is some synthetic wizard-derived breed in an attempt to create some simulacrum of the original orcs bred out of I dunno. Similar to the natural original orcs, big on strength, but no independence, very subservient. Literally anyone with muscle or brains can take over a clan of these artificial orcs.

That way you can have your fanged elf-orcs, and your horrid mutant Tolkien orcs.

This thread is bait. The modern orc besides the new lotr has the body of a steroid OGH abusing bodybuilder.

>>52511304
Orcs are more intelligent, civilised and attractive than niggers.

>>52511356
truth

I think orcs are easy to imagine as being like what people were pre-civilisation. Except with benefit of some civilisation. So their bodies are very well trained, lean and muscular for both males and females.
They don't have the luxury of being soft.

>>52509924
>oveweight/hairy/buff dude who assblasts oveweight/hairy/buff dude "

FTFY. You have no idea how much Bara BBM Hentai there is

>>52508819
well hello there tumblr, you're early.

>>52511879
I love her designs.
>The horns are not naturally occuring
So how do they occur then?

>>52511915
Most likely they place something the right shape under the skin and let it heal back.

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>>52511915
>>The horns are not naturally occuring
>So how do they occur then?

Da Big Bozz went 100% nuclear.

>>52511915
Perhaps they use needles to apply specific irritants to the bones that spurs bone growth. With repeated application it'd end up forming a horn. It'd probably be painful as fuck so there'd be a lot of prestige from having several of them.

>>52511960
Heck, maybe it's a "you keep what you kill" type deal, and they make the horns out of the horns/bones of their enemies.

>>52508737
cause, you had least need to fap to it to call something female

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>>52508737
I mean they're not. I have never seen this outside of porn and korean MMOs

>>52509036
No, it decidedly isn't. It's true that orcs are usually just buff green dudes, but only warhams/warcrapft call the giant tusked green dudes orcs, instead of, like, trolls, or ogres.

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>>52508819

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>>52511304

They aren't, though. They basically replaced conan for the noble savage barbarian stereotype. Sometimes a few African design elements slip in, but they're not "a stand-in for niggers".

>>52508737
Orcs are generic trash mobs, and the only reason anyone would spend any time fleshing them out is pingas.

>>52512175

I like that filename.

>>52508737
Because female orcs were never depicted by their creator Tolkein.

They were a race of fucking elven corpses man.
Literally undead elves.

>>52510501
>Slavs
>Orcs

>Said the inbred sheep shagger.

>>52508819
Yep, those Orcs do have a rape culture

>>52509904
>That pant is that long for a reason~

>>52512262
Thats strangwly attractive for an orc.

>>52508737
Can you provide more images of ditzy musclebimbo female orcs?

I need them for scientifc purposes.

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>>52511356

Given orcish brutishness and even with existence of sexual dimorphism, female orcs can't look too ditzy or weak, otherwise they would not be able to handle childbearing or simply being around orc males.

Depending on setting, I imagine female orcs being mostly on par with males, in that they test the strength of males in order to mate with the strongest one - given that only strong females can put up resistance and survive childbirth, natural selection in orcs would diminish overt sexual characteristics like large permanent breasts and narrow waist, but definitely accentuate elements like hips or ass.

Whereas human females tend to look like an hourglass, orc females are probably more bottom-heavy (pun very much intended), and thus most portrayals are fantastic and amusing, but not too big on actual evolutionary biology.

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[blatant fetish bait image]
Why do [fictional thing that depends on the setting and has been defined a thousand ways by different authors] always [obviously false generalization I pulled out of my ass]?
This thread cannot be off topic because literally everything is /tg/ related!

>>52514465
Wow how smart you are anon! Now that you've cracked that case, I won't be sneakily tricked into having fun by discussing my fetish anymore!

Thanks a lot!

>>52508737
Because there is literally no limit to the amount of porn consumers will consume.

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>>52511269
That is wrong. I have a picture here from Warcraft 1, with an Orc female on the left.

>>52511237
>TFW no orc waifu to sit on your face and force you to eat green booty for hours

>>52511199
That's getting a save

>>52510501
>english men
>attractive
Are you one of those people who think that cumberbatch doesn't look like a wierd alien hybrid.

Kill all the males and take the women

Non human males must be purged

>>52514465
Do you do that with every thread? Go back and look if someone posted it month ago?

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>>52512175
>shortstack goblins

>>52508737
I want a male orc ditzy musclebimbo!

>>52510839
Hey there Jimmy

>>52508737
>ditzy musclebimbos
I wouldn't call them that

>>52509924
This is the actually correct answer. It happens so often that players will will start to automatically assume that females of whatever race they're fighting and killing are plot important and should be talked to vs. yet more fodder for the wizard to Fireball.

If you make the enemies players fight roughly half female and half male get ready for lots of PC discomfort when suddenly casting Sleep followed up with a Coup de Grace on an unconscious woman seems somehow wrong, despite doing it to Orcs and male bandits with no hesitation

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>>52508737

Not always.

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>>52508816

Spoiler warning for an obscure indie pixel game, I suppose.

>>52523647
So it's not gay porn? I gave it a try and it seemed to be a tactical RPG, but then a lot of the reviews said it's gay porn?

why does /pfg/ keep escaping its containment field

i swear to christ that is going to be the plot for my next campaign, some weirdo cult opened the book of erotic fantasy and it's weakening the barriers between the planes allowing succubi and shit to come into our dimension and corrupt people, and every town notice board will be full of these stupid semi lewd elf/orc/goblin/black women/whatever pictures and crudely scrawled comments and if our party can't stop it the entire world will be turned into lust enslaved fuckmeat for semen demons (male).

>>52522804
Which begs the question, what is more sexist? Violence towards women or excluding them from violence?

Is the answer "Both."?

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>>52524937
>Which begs the question, what is more sexist? Violence towards women or excluding them from violence?
Let me put this like this: I've never seen a feminist campaign for equal conscription duties, even though they've been around for both world wars and 'Nam.

Let me also put it like this: GTA 5 is banned in Australia for depicting violence against women. Even though that violence is entirely optional and limited to punching female NPCs in the face or shooting them. This is the same game that has a level where you torture a man by -among others- pulling out a tooth without anaesthetics, waterboarding him and applying a car battery to his nipples.

>>52522804

The important thing is to point out some are female AFTER the murdering is done. Your players need to get used to killing women too.

>>52524865

No, there's the occasional dong and there's some gay in there, but it's not porn by any stretch.

because men like to fuck women

obviously

>>52524970
>Let me put this like this: I've never seen a feminist campaign for equal conscription duties, even though they've been around for both world wars and 'Nam.

You're wrong. That was explicitly a demand of the feminist movement since Vietnam. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_and_sexism

Generally feminist movements are also opposed to conscription for anyone, but if there is conscription it should apply to everyone.

Because orcs are played by ugly assholes who lust after ditzy muscle bimbos.

>>52508737
Because the internet wants to masturbate.

>>52525083
Some of their reasons for it are pretty stupid though.

>>52524983
>>>/gurochan/

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>>52525083
I watched two feminists bash a third one in college for supporting an equal Draft, then those two turned on each other once it came to the question of who is able to be counted as a combatant.
Saying 'feminism' is like saying 'conservative'; a broad stroke over a group of people.
>>52525190
And there you go, the true answer!

Aren't orcs in tolkiens setting -- for all intensive purposes -- genderless?

>>52525349

Yeah, there are weird individuals I'm any group. Considering supporting an equal draft is the position of prominent leaders for decades, its as close as youre going to an official position.

>>52510448
The excuse is generally they're all male, and breed by mating with females of other races, guaranteed to make make orc babies, or at least the male children will be. So yeah, an excuse to fulfill their rape fetish in fantasy.

Because muh dick.

Male orcs exist to provide either a worthy opponent or an interesting character background. Female orcs exist for reproduction

>>52508737
Because of horny subhumans.

>>52511879
Pig orcs are best orcs.

>>52511352
this

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>>52508819

>>52508737
They aren't because female orcs usually don't exist or don't get screen time. I have no idea where you're getting your information from.

>>52511445
You lurk every fucking orc thread waiting to post this, don't you?

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>>52514877

No, thats still a dude wearing a weirdly shaped plate male. Its not a "tit-plate" its just supposed to look like that (kind of like pic related, but with a open belly)... Trust me it was cool in the 90´s.

>>52525327

What? No, the point is that in a setting with female warriors, you should fight a number of female opponents and deal with them with the same professional respect you'd reserve for a dangerous male fighter.

On the battlefield, all things are equal. If you'd throat-chop an enemy about to bury an axe in your guts, it does not matter if the enemy is male or female. Letting PCs know "Yes, you killed some women. No, it doesn't matter - they would have killed you as fast as the male orcs." establishes that female combatants aren't to be put on a pedestal.

>>52512262
A nigger is not the same thing as a black person.

>>52514465
I remember that earlier thread.

One anon put forth the idea that orcs could be an artificially created servant race, so the males would be terrifying war machines and the females primo breeding material and sex slaves or something.

>>52527104

It would make more sense for them NOT to have females, so all that aggression can be channeled into war. Victory = win female.

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>>52527064
A nigger is to a black man as a faggot is to a gay man.

>>52527175
Females would be a good way to breed quickly, and remember that you still need something for them to be doing while they aren't in a battle.

The same anon also said you could make a gift of the muscle bimbo females to potential allies and all that.

>>52510937
Yes the are. What are you talking about?

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>>52527199
This Anon speaks the truth.

>>52525386
>Considering supporting an equal draft is the position of prominent leaders for decades
This is a lie though. No prominent feminist leader has done a single thing to oppose selective service. There has not been a single feminist rally for abolishing it, or extending it to women as well

>>52527294
I've never seen anyone who refers to themselves as feminist discuss the idea of the expendable man vs the valuable woman.

It's hard to breach the subject without sounding like "I want to see more women die" though, so...

>>52527525
Perhaps the reason as to why, as far as you know, there has been no prominent feminist to have ralleyed for the opposition of selective service, is because most stripes of feminists see believe that draft-equality is not quite as important, as, say, preventing future Elliot Rodgerses or Brock Turners.

>>52522804
Lucky for me I have a more leftist playgroup so if I breach the subject I can pretty much just attack them for not being forward thinking enough. "What, are women to valuable as sexual objects to be killed? Are you saying they have no place on the battlefield?"

>>52527064
When any slight downgrades you from being a person to being an object that you can freely dehumanize and exterminate the distinction is irrelevant.

>>52527620
>All young men and only men being expected to put their life on the line is more important than some shooters.

Notable that Rodgers killed more men than women, but because "SEXIST INTERNET MAN KILLS WOMEN" gets more clicks that's the story we got.

I'm pretty pro-equality on a lot of things but it's shit like this that makes me embarassed to be a liberal.

>>52527620
What do school shooters have to do with feminism? I can see how sex offenders can be related but honestly there's nothing more they can do about sex crimes, unless it's lobbying for female sex offenders to get sentences equal to the male ones.

Supporting draft equality would be a better use of their time.

>>52527705
Calling somebody a nigger doesn't mean you can freely dehumanize and exterminate them. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>52527723
Because they made sexist and racist blog posts and shit. That means everyone who opposes feminism as a chance to be a BAD SERIAL KILLER, and not that this is the indication of someone with psychosis who needs therapy and medication that the current American system won't provide.

>>52527714
>>52527723
I chose Rodgers specifically for a reason. His upbringing in an environment that brought about his inceldom deeply affected his views on both men and women. Were his peers less shitty, and if he was less of a hatelust creep, perhaps he could have gotten laid and the shooting would have been averted. In SJW-speak, something something remove toxic masculinity something something.

>honestly there's nothing more they can do about sex crimes, unless it's lobbying for female sex offenders to get sentences equal to the male ones.

well, a kulturkampf level of societal change to minimize sex crimes and a change in the judicial system to give rapists actual, serious punishments is what I imagine they'd ideally want

>Supporting draft equality would be a better use of their time.
What's so special about the draft? What's wrong with a movement for women focussing on issues that chiefly affect women?

>>52527525
>This is a lie though. No prominent feminist leader has done a single thing to oppose selective service

First they were busy making sure that women could actually serve in combat arms. Christ you're a whiny little bitch.

>>52527199

>Black people are more prone to crime!

>Applauding alt-right faggots.jpg

>Men are more prone to crime!

>Outraged alt-right faggots.jpg

>>52527755
>putting a person to this group of people of that freely dehumanized and exterminated isn't actually putting them into that category

right

>>52527525
>No prominent feminist leader has done a single thing to oppose selective service

Probably because we did that during the 70's. When was the last time a draft was called, anon? The US doesn't use the Draft. If the US were ever again put in the position of needing to use it we'd all be dead anyway in nuclear fire. The reason no one talks about it is because no one cares anymore.

>>52527815
>a change in the judicial system to give rapists actual, serious punishments is what I imagine they'd ideally want
Should have asked the liberals to think about that before Coker v. Georgia and Kennedy v. Louisiana.

>>52527815
>rapists don't get actual, serious punishments
Really? Is jail time and forever being labeled as a sex offender legally not enough of a punishment?

>What's so special about the draft?
Nothing. I was implying that they're being totally ineffectual in regards to the two issues you brought up.

>>52527620
1) what exactly is feminism doing about mass shooters?
2) how is that a bigger priority than half the population being withheld their rights unless they sign up for the draft?

>>52527815
>What's wrong with a movement for women focussing on issues that chiefly affect women?
Because every time the subject of Men's Rights comes up Feminists are quick to tell everyone that MRAs are all sexist assholes and should be silenced, but don't worry, they'll fix all the issues men face, so don't you bother talking about it.

>>52527908
>right
What the fuck are you talking about?

I can't run around calling people niggers and then freely dehumanize and exterminate them. Those are called "hate crimes".

You stupid nigger.

>>52527943

Let's be honest though, 90% of MRAs are just using whataboutism to fight against feminism, not actually fixing anything for men.

>>52527892

>Black people are more prone to crime!

>Horrified and furious feminists.jpg

>Men are more prone to crime!

>Feminists agreeing and labeling men as dangerous

Two-way street

>>52527975
is this post an ironic masterpiece or is the fact that it's also whataboutism lost on you

>>52527963
Right. Except if that weren't the case why call them niggers at all? You want the emotional impact of turning someone into less than shit that you could freely dehumanize (by calling them a nigger, which is less than a person) and exterminate which you could if you thought you could get away with it.

go away

>>52527909
>Coker
huh. I don't think rapists should die either desu.
>Kennedy
I'm less sympathetic towards child rapists t b h
>>52527926
>jail time
in the case of Turner, that's what, 3 months? Innefectual is right.

>>52527943
The only time I see Men's Rights be mentioned outside MRA circles is when women's rights are discussed.

>>52527839
>>52527908
Look at this ridiculous fucking backpedaling
>claim feminists are opposed to the draft
>get accused of being wrong
>suddenly it's not feminisms job to oppose the draft

>>52527992

That's not how whataboutism works.

"Whataboutism" would be when someone brings up a feminist issue, you yell "But what about the draft!"

>>52508737
What's the sauce of that orc chick? I wanna fap to it.

>>52528015
Soviet whataboutism was never about things Western societies failed to do, but specifically about things that they did.

>>52528007

Yes, feminist groups oppose the draft in general. That's been the stance since the 60s and it hasn't changed.

No, it's not a top priority, because it's literally not a top priority for ANY group. If those MRA groups are so concerned about men's issues, why aren't they fighting it? Shouldn't they be leading the charge on that one? Where are they?

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>>52528025

>>52528054
>If those MRA groups are so concerned about men's issues, why aren't they fighting it?
They are you fucking moron. What exactly do you think it is that MRAs do?

>>52527975
A fact that saddens and annoys me.

There are legitimate issues with how society views men. Men are seen as expendable and lacking in inherent value. Emotion in men is a weakness, and 60% of college graduates are women.

Sexism, as in the old strict gender roles, were a system. Men were always aggressors and women were always subservient. Women's roles have mostly been dismantled, but men are still expected to live like their grandfathers, despite the fact that women aren't playing the same game anymore.

But the closest feminism comes to fixing this is blaming the concept of masculinity itself, and decrying anything masculine at all. Actual menist discourse needs to be had but it's just so hard to find.

>>52527999
I use a slur and all of a sudden I'm a would be murderer chomping at the bit? Nice logic. Call me racist if you want (even though I use nigger based on behavior rather than color) but I wouldn't kill anybody, even if I thought I could get away with it.

Jesus Christ what's wrong with you?

>>52528088
>But the closest feminism comes to fixing this is blaming the concept of masculinity itself
ye nah. I go to the hippiest of hippie colleges and a lot of self-described feminists and people in the community talk about alimony, circumcision, men's suicide rates and mental illness, etc, etc- as bad things that need to be changed for the better.

>>52528080
The feminist propaganda machine makes sure everyone believes MRAs exist solely to harass women and keep The Patriarchy established.

>>52528080
He thinks MRAs run their orange cheeto hands over their keyboards all day leading the e-charge against women's rights.

>>52528054
Don't blame MRAs for only using the draft rhetorically and not actually fighting against it; most of them would be medically exempt so they don't really have a reason to care about it. It's like asking why Tumblr feminists don't talk about the glass ceiling but instead focus on shit like fart rape. Most of them are completely unemployable to begin with.

>>52528004
>Turner
One case. Neat. That totally refutes my whole argument.

>>52528080
Shitpost.

>>52527016
The main cause of people's discomfort, however, is not that they "don't respect women as combatants". I'm sure most players do respect a female hero or villain, someone high-level and unique.

The main cause of people's discomfort is the ages-old omnipresent gender stereotype of men being dispensable. Just like women have been stereotyped as fragile and needing protection, men have been stereotyped as dispensable. That old, ahem, patriarchal trope is the main reason most mooks are male, while high-level opponents can be both male and female.

>>52528080

>But the closest feminism comes to fixing this is blaming the concept of masculinity itself,

If you agree that gender roles view men as disposable, deny them the chance to express emotion whatsoever, discourage them from pursuing education, etc... isn't that an issue with "masculinity"? What are those gender roles if they aren't society's view of "masculinity" in general?

I'd say there is a real need for a better version of masculinity that gets over those biases and lets men actually have a healthy view of themselves, the opposite gender and their place in society.

>>52528132
Yeah, that was basically my experience in the women's studies class I had to take at college, too.

>>52528182
Although these examples are /v/, Ubisoft have been putting female mooks in their games that you can kill now. AC Syndicate and Watch Dogs 2 both had them.

Kind of funny since they got shit on for not putting a female player character model in AC Unity.

>>52528062
Many thanks!

>>52528007
I know this may be a surprise but there's multiple people in this thread. The Feminists don't need to oppose the Draft because the draft no longer exists as a political tool. Selective Service exists for a reason no one can fathom because in the event of a draft it isn't hard to just grab people anyway.

>>52514465
Hey, is that you, the Autistic/Paranoid "Mods are out to get me because they hate my posts" anon?

>>52527294
>>52527604
They just usually frame it like this:
>society has stereotyped men as expendable and women as fragile and valuable, which are basically two sides of the same coin
>MEN CREATED THE STEREOTYPE OF WOMEN AS FRAGILE TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING EQUAL, THE BASTARDS

>Not a single goddamn reference to Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor in this thread

You guys are losing your touch for shitposting.

>>52528175
That was, if you recall correctly, the example I used. But ok. Here's some reading: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/PSATSFV.PDF
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/15/1097784044926.html?from=storylhs

And also, in the case of Turner, the huge number of people who leapt to his defense. Why's that?

>>52528269

Plus, again, there's basically 2 positions with any feminist group: No draft at all, or equal draft for men or women. See: https://www.ncronline.org/news/politics/feminists-weigh-draft-registration-women

>"If we want equality in this country, if we want women to be treated precisely like men are treated and that they should not be discriminated against, then we should support a universal conscription," Speier told the political website The Hill in April.

>Not all feminists agree with Speier's path to equality. Days after the House Armed Services Committee approved the amendment, 24-year-old Julie Mastrine, an activist and media professional, authored an online petition calling on Congress not to force women to register and instead dump the draft entirely.

And that is testimony in front of the US congress. In other words, exactly the kind of advocacy you'd expect from any group fighting against unfair treatment of men by selective service.

>>52528230
There are some more /v/ examples of that. Some old ones, too. E.g. Final Fantasy Tactics (1997) was completely equal with its gender distribution among common enemies.

>>52528327
Agreed. When it comes right down to it the draft has been dead since the US citizenry practically revolted against it in the 70's. Even mentioning it is tantamount to political suicide and in the military fellating public of the modern US it's wholly unnecessary.

>>52528088

I know them feels, anon.

>>52528269
Selective Service still strikes me as kind of messed up. I remember when I turned 18, I put off signing up to vote for as long as possible because my mom told me that by doing so I was signing up for some weird pseudo-draft equivalent that girls didn't have to sign up for. The principle of the thing is what really bothered me, that just because I'm a male one my most integral rights as a US citizen comes with strings attached.

I remember my mom was really getting on my ass about it, telling me that I would get in legal trouble if I didn't sign up for it. Don't know if that was true or not, but she was really freaking out. It actually wasn't until I went to the DMV to renew my permit that I signed up to vote, and only because the lady I was working with saw that I hadn't registered and offered to sign me up.

>>52528320
>Why's that?
I don't know. You know more about this than I do, obviously. So you tell me.

>>52527815
>What's wrong with a movement for women focussing on issues that chiefly affect women?
Nothing except feminism claims it's goal is to solve men's issues too, and that any male-issues-specific movements are redundant and unnecessary

>>52508737
Because nerds.

>>52528479
>Nothing except feminism claims it's goal is to solve men's issues too, and that any male-issues-specific movements are redundant and unnecessary

Like by pushing for equality in the draft or eliminating it entirely? Like they've been doing for decades?

>But they aren't doing it HARD ENOUGH.

>>52528458
I don't really know. People perhaps felt that his career as a swimmer was wrecked and that he was expelled from college and that oh it was such a shame.

>>52528479
>male-issues-specific movements are redundant and unnecessary
ent too sure about that one. I'm sure if Men's Rights supporters spent more time actually advocating for men's rights through proper channels, feminists would be hastier to write off their movement. However, from their perspective, MRAs only bring up Men's Rights when feminism is being discussed. That, or harass people online or call for the legalization of rape. (Yes, I know Roosh V isn't exactly an MRA but afaik feminists use MRA or meninist to refer to a whole slew of distinct movements from puas to mgtows.)

The first one, yes, but certainly as a secondary goal.

>>52528088
>but men are still expected to live like their grandfathers, despite the fact that women aren't playing the same game anymore.
This is very true.

I remember asking my mother (a feminist) if she had ever asked out a boy she liked when she was younger. She said no. So what about girls doing it today, I asked her. She said it's weird and "just not the way things are done". I didn't bother to ask her what she would think about me if I got with a girl that pursued me instead of the other way around, as was "proper".

These double standards are insane.

>>52511237
You know. If she didn't have green skin and tusk she'd probably be attractive.

>>52528218
That's not "masculinity".

That's like saying that awful racist stereotypes about black people are "blackness", and that black people need to get rid of their "toxic blackness" to progress.

We should fight against specific societal norms and stereotypes that penalize men, not deny men their masculinity as a whole.

>>52528479
Well now there's the MRA who can advocate for men to abolish things like the draft and push for equal treatment of men under the law in areas it is sorely needed like divorce.

or they can bitch on the internet when feminists try to make moves toward equality for women

>>52528529
>People perhaps felt that his career as a swimmer was wrecked and that he was expelled from college and that oh it was such a shame
Well was it actually proved that he raped whoever?

>>52528557
>We should fight against specific societal norms and stereotypes that penalize men, not deny men their masculinity as a whole.

That sounds like a semantic argument. The whole point is the "masculinity" is just a bunch of social norms and stereotypes in the first place. What are you defining as "masculinity" in that statement exactly?

Masculinity has to change to some degree to be a healthy thing rather than a harmful thing. I don't think it would be controversial to say that about any cultural norm that encourages people to be self-destructive.

>>52528568
In California, you must penetrate the vagina or anus with a penis to be a rapist. He was convicted of sexual assault beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury.

>>52528590
It is not masculinity itself that is destructive, but the incompatibility of masculinity with modernity.

>>52528568
Yeah, there were two eyewitnesses, plus the testimony of the vic herself. He plead not guilty as he said he'd gotten verbal consent off a girl and them fucked her when she was passed out. Oh, and what >>52528606 said.

>>52528606
>In California, you must penetrate the vagina or anus with a penis to be a rapist
That's messed up. So legally women are incapable of being rapists?

>>52528606

What are you defining as "masculinity" though? The social norm that a guy MUST be rich, emotionless, fuck lots of women, violent, etc?

Until you actually define what you're trying to defend it's a pointless discussion.

>>52528620
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-rape-laws.html
No.

>>52528558
How are women not equal?

Genuinely asking.

>>52528620
I fucked up. Only forced sexual intercourse (defined as penis in vagina or anus) counts as rape, so women can rape. Brock used his finger, though, and never got around to the grand finale so he was only convicted of sexual assault. (Penis in mouth is "forced oral copulation", which is not rape.)

>>52528642
So then what's with the "you must penetrate the vagina or anus to be a rapist" bit?

>>52528503
By pushing for female-specific definitions of rape and family abuse, for one.

>>52528529
So first feminists conflate everyone they don't like into a single "term", and then they extend a one person's weird opinion onto everyone they call that "term"? That's like a dire strawman

>>52528671
>So first feminists conflate everyone they don't like into a single "term", and then they extend a one person's weird opinion onto everyone they call that "term"? That's like a dire strawman

So, using the "Why doesn't X fight against Y?" argument, why aren't the "true MRA's" fighting against people like Roosh V?

>>52528558
>or they can bitch on the internet when feminists try to make moves toward equality for women
Translation: when feminists fight against video game tiddy, manspreading, sexist air conditioning and fart rape.

>>52528590
No, just as women shouldn't be denied femininity.

Just as women have updated the concept of femininity to reflect the modern society, so can men. But again, the problem is not in masculinity itself. The problem is with specific norms and stereotypes which should be taken out of masculinity.

>>52528634
>rich
He must achieve status.
>emotionless
He must be stoic.
>fuck lots of women
He must be romantically successful.
>violent
He must not take insults lightly.

>Until you actually define what you're trying to defend it's a pointless discussion.
I was going to go with "traditional masculine virtues", but that's not a definition, so I guess this conversation is over.

>>52528669
THat's the other guy. I didn't say shit.
>>52528671
No, I didn't say that. They categorized everyone whose chief-identity-viewpoint was misogyny as "MRA". They see Roosh V make a claim, such as rape should be legal, and they see nobody inside any of the movements they glued together call him out on that. As such, they conclude that as no MRAs told that MRA to go fuck himself, MRAs support that perspective.

>>52528634
>What are you defining as "masculinity" though?
A cross between Wolverine and Batman.

>>52528694
But if those specific norms and stereotypes are in masculinity right now, doesn't that mean that the problem is actually within masculinity?

>>52528694

Okay, but what IS masculinity? How are you defining the very thing you're trying to defend?

>>52528702

>I was going to go with "traditional masculine virtues", but that's not a definition, so I guess this conversation is over.

Yeah, that would seem pretty circular and empty. I'm not sure if your previous "He must achieve status." quips are even meant to be sarcastic or not.

>>52528634
Someone stoic, tough, responsible and with leadership qualities.

>>52528726

>Someone stoic, tough, responsible and with leadership qualities.

So, entirely embraching the "men can't have feelings" stereotype? That was precisely the problem that keeps getting blamed for men constantly killing themselves.

>>52528679
Idk about Roosh V specifically, but I've seen some prominent MRAs brutally criticize MGTOWs and some of the creepier PUAs.

>>52528724
>Yeah, that would seem pretty circular and empty.
In a brave new world where you can redefine virtues at will, yes, but historically any given society has had expectations of male behavior as well as expectations of female behavior.

>I'm not sure if your previous "He must achieve status." quips are even meant to be sarcastic or not.
Are they inaccurate expectations?

>>52528708
>a hyper-violent animalistic manlet and an emotionally stunted but outwardly successful rich guy with a lot of repressed issues
You do not have a very nice definition of masculinity.

>>52528740
>In a brave new world where you can redefine virtues at will, yes, but historically any given society has had expectations of male behavior as well as expectations of female behavior

That's not an argument. Every society has different stereotypes, some are completely fucked up and toxic. You can't complain about men killing themselves because they refuse to get mental health treatment on one hand and then advocate the stereotypes that drive them to avoid it on the other hand.

>>52528717
No.
Women have femininity, men have masculinity. No one suggests (except crazy 2nd wave fems) that women should denounce femininity altogether.

>>52528724
see >>52528726

>>52528738
Where did I say he can't have or express feelings? By "stoic" I mean "able to stay calm and concentrated in times of crisis".

Everything else I said is totally unrelated to it.

>>52528775
Men refuse to get treatment because they fear other people (including WOMEN) would mock and disdain them. Not because of "masculinity".

>>52528776
>Where did I say he can't have or express feelings? By "stoic" I mean "able to stay calm and concentrated in times of crisis".

Yes, the expectation of stoicness is absolutely what leads to repressed emotional states and a failure to connect with others. Otherwise, simply being competent despite difficulties isn't really masculine or feminine.

>>52528805

They would be mocked precisely for being un-masculine. That's the stereotype they aren't living up to.

>>52528816
Tell me. What's "feminine"?

>>52528827

Who knows? Society has some fucked up ideas about it no matter how you define it.

>>52528816
So hang on a second. You're saying the movement that got "Male Tears" coffee mugs trending is the same movement that is supposedly dismantling these toxic elements of masculinity?

>>52508737
Because I want to fuck an Orc.

>>52528841

That would be seemingly contradictory, sure, if you also agree that Roosh V represents every single MRA.

Otherwise you can admit different groups have a mix of assholes and reasonable people.

>>52528816
>Otherwise, simply being competent despite difficulties isn't really masculine or feminine.
Nothing is really masculine or feminine. Those are ideals. Individuals can deviate from those ideals, and forge identities of their own.

>>52528868

Right. Ideally people shouldn't be bound by gender roles that define how they should act when that's not true to them as indivduals, whether their behaviour is stereotyped as "masculine" or "feminine", because both those categories are largely made up bullshit.

That's pretty much "feminist gender theory 101".

>>52528880

Hence why wanting to fap to green musclegirls who will hold you like the little spoon is okay.

>>52528866
Roosh V doesn't even identify as an MRA

Labels are stupid.

That is all.

The main problem with dismantling masculinity is this: Yes, it might help with mental health issues. But in the process, the loss of the masculinity ideal would make these men entirely unfuckable. Women would just shrug and choose other men, ones with non-dismantled masculinity.

We all know it's true. Women have repeatedly shown their attraction to men that exhibit "traditional masculine" traits. Even feminists have said that they don't consider feminist men who enjoy dismantling their own masculinity to be sexually attractive.

The main guardian that keeps masculinity alive, with all its problems, are women.

>>52528915

Your entire personal identity is defined by whether or not some group of other people find you fuckable?

That's pretty sad.

>>52528880
Except a lot of men are willing to fuck a masculine woman (as evidenced by all the orc lady fuckers in this thread). While most women won't give a non-masculine man (note: who is not a hyperattractive prettyboy) the time of day.

>>52528775
>fucked up
>toxic
These mean nothing.

>You can't complain about men killing themselves because they refuse to get mental health treatment on one hand and then advocate the stereotypes that drive them to avoid it on the other hand.
I'm not complaining about it. I'm simply telling you that it it not merely masculinity that is inherently fucked up and kiling people, but the combination of masculinity with modernity. This does not mean that modernity is bad or that things should not change.

Men have historically been judged by themselves and others for strength, status, and achievements. They still are. Not all men can have achievements. In traditional societies, they can still have status in a number of ways - for example, being respected and obeyed by their family; or, by displaying great moral courage, such as the strength to persevere in adversity; or, by faithfully executing the duties laid upon him by a higher cause, whether God, king, or country. Modernity has dismantled all of this in some way or another - for better or for worse - and so the traditional safety valves for unsuccessful males have been dismantled. And now you're fucked.

>>52528934
Men are, in fact, sad. A man who cannot find a woman who wants to fuck him is a failure.

>>52528841
Maybe they want to redefine masculinity to be total supportiveness, after all only those that disagree with them get shamed with emasculating language like that.
Personally I think feminity is way more toxic than masculinity, nobody should be taught that physical fitness is wrong, that emotional weakness is healthy or that the world owes them anything. Men are not allowed to cry? Good! Crying is the least productive thing you can do, it's the very act of dumping your emotions on other people and making it their problem.
You'd think that with the whole emancipation thing women would relish the chance to rise up to our level, but some seem to think that's too much work and would rather drag us down to theirs. These are exactly the kind of people that would study gender like it's an academic subject and call themselves feminist activists.

>>52528934
Well, non-asexual heterosexual men want to be desired by women, you know. I'm not sure why it's such a revelation to you.

I never said anything about defining the entire personal identity on that. Merely that those men who would define their personal identity by dismantling their masculinity, would end up becoming unfuckable because of that.

>>52528915
>Women have repeatedly shown their attraction to men that exhibit "traditional masculine" traits.

Which explains the generations of young girls attracted to androgynous pop stars and effeminate boy bands, right? Things have changed, and while women still do want certain masculine aspects, they prefer men to be a lot more modern in other areas too.

>>52528941
>I'm not complaining about it. I'm simply telling you that it it not merely masculinity that is inherently fucked up and kiling people, but the combination of masculinity with modernity. This does not mean that modernity is bad or that things should not change.

So if you're acknowledging they have to change, that's an endorsement of exactly the point most feminists would be raising.

>Not all men can have achievements. In traditional societies, they can still have status in a number of ways - for example, being respected and obeyed by their family; or, by displaying great moral courage, such as the strength to persevere in adversity; or, by faithfully executing the duties laid upon him by a higher cause, whether God, king, or country.

That sounds more like a complaint about the fact that more people are economically fucked by the polarizing income stratification of capitalism, rather than anything cultural. If you can't live on your own with sufficient resources for a home and family, that's an economic problem, not a cultural one.

>Men are, in fact, sad. A man who cannot find a woman who wants to fuck him is a failure.

There's nothing more repulsive to most women than a guy whose only value of himself is finding a woman to fuck, since his only view of them is an undifferentiated fuck-hole with no other redeeming attributes.

what the fuck happened in this thread.

>>52528981
>Well, non-asexual heterosexual men want to be desired by women, you know. I'm not sure why it's such a revelation to you.

There's a difference between "wanting to be desired by women" versus "your entire personal identity is defined by how others see you".

>>52528934
Sounds bad when you say it like that, but go ahead and share your crippling issues with a girl you want to be intimate with and just watch how fast your relationship with her goes down the tubes. I wholly recommend therapy to any man who needs it, but I would also recommend leaving your bullshit at your therapist's office.

That's the reason white girls are going black. Black men don't renounce their masculinity, and ladies love that

>>52529002
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>>52529028
If you're sharing TMI with anyone on a second date they're probably going to be a little spooked.

Hell, I've had girls start spilling some crazy personal shit on the first date. That was seriously uncomfortable.

>>52528987
Young girls are stupid and those pop stars and boy bands capitalize on that. They basically craft a fantasy and sell it.

>>52528775
Gender ideologues like to frame every problem men have as a result of "toxic masculinity", because their entire game is justifying their own existence.
The truth is that it's not really about those men having a bad attitude, it's more about a society that just plain cares more about women than about men and their movement coasts on that sentiment to get outraged on inconsequential shit.

>>52511269

One of the missions in WC1 is to kill Blackhand's daughter Griselda.

>>52529032
>That's the reason white girls are going black.

Porn isn't real life you autist. White men are just as successful with other races as white women are. If black men were so amazing, then Asian and Latino women would be trying to get with them instead of whites.

>>52529023
Are you blind? I specifically touched that point in my post:
>I never said anything about defining the entire personal identity on that. Merely that those men who would define their personal identity by dismantling their masculinity, would end up becoming unfuckable because of that.

>>52528987
What about non-masculine men who aren't rich superpopular prettyboys though? Yyyep.

>>52511199
>Brown Skin
*Heave*
Yeah how about no.

>>52529000
>
There's nothing more repulsive to most women than a guy whose only value of himself is finding a woman to fuck, since his only view of them is an undifferentiated fuck-hole with no other redeeming attributes.
However, women themselves consider a man who doesn't have luck with women a loser.

>>52529000
>So if you're acknowledging they have to change
They don't have to. I actually don't care too much if down-and-out men kill themselves.

>more people are economically fucked by the polarizing income stratification of capitalism
Feudalism had disgusting polarizing income stratification.

>There's nothing more repulsive to most women
This doesn't contradict what I've said in the slightest.

>>52529023
>your entire personal identity is defined by how others see you
That is, in fact, how it works. It does not matter if you believe you are beautiful if everyone thinks you are ugly, or if you believe that you are successful if everyone thinks you are a failure. There is only so long that you can keep up that kind of illusion.

>>52529070
>What about non-masculine men who aren't rich superpopular prettyboys though? Yyyep.

I graduated not too long ago. The guys who had the most luck with women were athletic but not meatheads. They were also very cool and emotionally balanced. No woman wants a Chad who eats with his hands and acts like a 12 year old boy, which is what most of them do in my experience.

>>52529050
Everything we see influences us. If you grow up crushing on skinny Korean pop stars then you can bet it's going to shape what you want in a man.

>>52529058

This thread's already covered a lot of ways that definitions of "masculinity" are pretty fucked up.

>Men are, in fact, sad. A man who cannot find a woman who wants to fuck him is a failure.

>>52529070
>I specifically touched that point in my post:

Not really, you're still buying into that same notion either way. Mostly you're just repeating that "100% of all women only want a 100% stereotypically masculine man" argument like gospel despite it being horse shit.

>>52528987
Boy bands are just that, boys. They're boy idols created for young girls.

Adult women don't want boys, they want men. Masculine men.

And who are those "androgynous pop stars" that young adult women love so much? Hip hop artists maybe? Eh?

>>52529108
>This thread's already covered a lot of ways that definitions of "masculinity" are pretty fucked up.
And they're wrong.
see>>52528978

>>52529098
>They don't have to. I actually don't care too much if down-and-out men kill themselves.
Okay, so feminism is literally doing them more good than your nihilist ass.

>Feudalism had disgusting polarizing income stratification.
And it was shitty for the vast majority of people living in it. You seem to be buying into some weird D+D fantasy version of feudalism as opposed to the real kind.

>This doesn't contradict what I've said in the slightest.
If you put yourself in the "repulsive" category, maybe.

>That is, in fact, how it works.
No, respect from others is the end product of respect for yourself, authenticity and comfort in your own skin. Having it backwards and putting all those as dependant on approval of others is how to be miserable your whole life, resenting other people and the opposite sex.

>>52529148
>Okay, so feminism is literally doing them more good
It's funny that you believe this

>>52529116
>They're boy idols created for young girls

It doesn't matter. If you associate romance with that kind of guy at a young age, it follows through into adulthood.

>Hip hop artists maybe? Eh?

You mean the ones who talk about how wounded they were from their past girlfriends? Gangster rap died a long time ago.

>>52529154
>It's funny that you believe this
Facts would seem funny to someone who's convinced themselves of a fairy tale, yeah.

At least you can keep blaming others for your failures.

>>52529167
What facts? What exactly is feminism doing for suicidal men?

Well if we want to go scientific, one would say they evolved with an extreme degree of sexual dimorphism. But I doubt evolution and orcs have anything in common

>>52529187

Telling them that it's okay to have problems and to get help, for starters. As opposed to your strategy of saying "fuck those weak suicidal losers".

>>52529108
>Men are, in fact, sad. A man who cannot find a woman who wants to fuck him is a failure.
He is. He cannot reproduce. He cannot be a father; he had better be successful in some other astounding way, or else he leaves nothing behind, and his life was wasted.

>>52529148
>Okay, so feminism is literally doing them more good than your nihilist ass.
I thought we were having a discussion about facts, not engaging in a pissing contest about which of us was the morally superior being.

>You seem to be buying into some weird D+D fantasy version of feudalism as opposed to the real kind.
Status is relative. Impoverished whites derived status from being superior to black slaves, which is why they fought and died as Johnny Reb. Historically, men have been able to feel status by fulfilling their duties as head of household and provider for the family, even when farming dirt.

>If you put yourself in the "repulsive" category, maybe.
Why is this about me? I could be a valkyrie, an alien, an AI or a typing dog and it wouldn't affect the truth or falseness of my assertions about society's observed values.

>No, respect from others is the end product of respect for yourself.
If you don't care about the respect of others, you do not respect yourself.

>>52529106
>If you grow up crushing on skinny Korean pop stars then you can bet it's going to shape what you want in a man.
Guess this generation of kids is all fucked then, if the girls their age will retain their adolescent tastes.

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>women nowadays are attracted to non-masculine twinky overemotional prettyboys, i swear

>>52529198
>Telling them that it's okay to have problems and to get help
But that's not what they're doing. When men try to talk about their problems, almost the very first thing that will happen is a feminist laughing about it, while mockingly making references to male tears

>>52529166
>it follows through into adulthood.
Does it though?

Or maybe they know how to differentiate reality from fantasy like any well-adjusted person. I watched a lot of porn growing up, and yet I still find real women attractive instead of only going for bimbos.

>>52529203
>I thought we were having a discussion about facts
When you raise a fact, it will be treated as one - throw around your nihilist virtue signalling and it'll be pissed on.

>If you don't care about the respect of others, you do not respect yourself.
Again, that's absolutely backwards. If you don't respect yourself first you will never get the respect of others.

Nobody likes the approval-seeking supplicant, they respect the person who is comfortable with his own life.

>>52529237
>When men try to talk about their problems, almost the very first thing that will happen is a feminist laughing about it, while mockingly making references to male tears
"Some girl you went out with" isn't "All feminists" there. I'm not sure why so many internet people want to blame "feminism" because they had a shitty date.

>>52529253
>I'm not sure why so many internet people want to blame "feminism" because they had a shitty date.
Not even that anon, but that's a bullshit deflection.

>>52529166
>It doesn't matter. If you associate romance with that kind of guy at a young age, it follows through into adulthood.
I can't believe I'm trying to explain coming of age to you. Young girls want one thing, when they grow up they want another. Young girls want boys, adult women want men.

>You mean the ones who talk about how wounded they were from their past girlfriends? Gangster rap died a long time ago.
Songs about heartbreaks were a thing since the gangstERs of old. And are you denying that modern hip hop artists (except maybe a few) still project a very over-the-top masculine image?

>>52529236

>Literally every single woman is attracted to exactly the same thing

>He said on a messageboard where guys go from fapping to musclegirls, to chibi girls, to futa, to vore...

>>52529253
>"Some girl you went out with" isn't "All feminists" there. I'm not sure why so many internet people want to blame "feminism" because they had a shitty date.
I'm not sure what the fuck you're talking about. A quick glance at any form of social media will prove what I'm saying right.

/tg/ trying and having various levels of discussion on societal gender roles in a thread that almost seems like it might have been posted to draw out cheesecake?

The hell parallel reality did I wake up in? Or have I just been gone too long?

>>52529242
You never wanted a relationship with a porn star. You didn't sit on Tumblr for hours writing a composition on how much you loved Sasha Grey, and what your future would be like together.

There's a difference between sexual desire and someone you want to be romantic with. Maybe that's what this whole thing is about, guys mixing the two together and not understanding how a woman might find a guy fuckable on one hand, but trash for a relationship on the other.

>>52529274
>Not even that anon, but that's a bullshit deflection.
It's a bullshit complaint in the first place if you're throwing around generalizations based on a mug you saw one time.

>>52529279
Checked. And... nope. You're wrong.

>>52529208
They won't.
They'll tell you they will, but when push comes to shove, they'll go for >>52529236

>>52529286
>You never wanted a relationship with a porn star
As far as you know.

So, as a bystander, all this conversation is helping convincing me of is that either a majority or a loud minority of any ideological movement is a shit.

>>52529320
>majority or a loud minority of any ideological movement is a shit
That just about sums it up, yes

>>52529312

The stupidest argument in this whole discussion is the idea that absolutely every single member of either gender is attracted to exactly the same thing.

>>52529278
Funnily enough, that's the position feminists tend to have, when asked about sexy male characters in video games.

>no no no, Kratos and Snake and Nathan Drake aren't sexy, they're male power fantasies, literally all women's sexual fantasy is a twink

>>52529335
I won't say that all women go for masculine manly men, but I've yet to meet one who likes effeminate whiners.

>>52529349

So you agree it's stupid for anyone to stereotype about "what all men/women" find sexy, like several people have already done here?

>>52529253
>When you raise a fact, it will be treated as one - throw around your nihilist virtue signalling.
I am not "virtue signaling." I was pointing out that I was not the person you were talking to and added some context.

>Nobody likes the approval-seeking supplicant, they respect the person who is comfortable with his own life.
I am comfortable with my life. I spend 18 hours a day on the internet. I eat whatever the fuck I want. I do not play the status game. I do not groom. I take my pride in my ability to shitpost on the internet for 36 hours running, if need be. Unsurprisingly, nobody respects me for it. I really don't think they should.

But, if I sought the approval of others - I would groom; bathe; brush; exercise; pursue career advancement; take up an exciting and adventurous hobby; learn how to make friends and influence others, and other people would respect me for my achievements. Even now, you have called me "repulsive." That alone indicates that you think that people should care about the judgments of others.

>>52529294
>>52529253
If feminists don't laugh at men who show their emotional weakness, they just go
>It's fine to have emotional weaknesses, have non-masculine interests and traits... It's okay to be gay, anon

>>52529364
>I am not "virtue signaling."

>LOL Look how edgy I am guize

>>52529335
>>52529278
No one says anything about "100%" or "absolutely single member".

We're talking about _most_

>>52529390
>We're talking about _most_

>>52529312
Nope, that's not "most"..
.
>>52529236
Nope, not there either...

So far not a single one's acknowledging "hey, there's a lot of different tastes out there". So you're making shit up.

>>52529385
In what world does one expect to be lauded for being a shithead? If I told you I killed kittens in my spare time, would that be virtue signaling?

>>52529253
>Again, that's absolutely backwards. If you don't respect yourself first you will never get the respect of others.

>Nobody likes the approval-seeking supplicant, they respect the person who is comfortable with his own life.

Bullshit.
I'm comfortable having a neckbeard, wearing the same shitty clothes, and discussing moe anime on anonymous imageboards.
I doubt it would get me a lot of female attention. Yes, even among (especially among) feminists.

Prove me wrong.

>>52529417
>In what world does one expect to be lauded for being a shithead?

You're on 4chan.

>>52529409
I created the Idris Elba post.
I never implied "100%", I was contradicting the notion that nowadays the average woman's standards have somehow shifted to non-masculine men

>>52529433
I will be sure to conceal my actual beliefs so as not to be judged for virtue signaling in the future, then.

>>52529443

If you're arguing that heterosexual people are attracted to relatively fit members of the opposite sex, that's really not a point anyone was disputing. That's not "masculinity" or "femininity", that's literally just being "male and healthy" or "female and healthy".

>>52525471
This. Pig orcs are best orcs.

>>52529461
Elba also has that stoic and tough persona that people have been discussing here.

>>52529253
>>52529148
>>52529023
>>52528934
>Denounce your masculinity! You shouldn't think about what others think about you! Just convince yourself you're okay, and you'll be okay! Yay!

>Oh, now no woman wants to consider you as a potential sexual partner? Who cares! You've denounced your toxic masculinity, and that's all that matters!

>Damn, why are male suicide rates still so high...

>>52528634
>Courageous, not afraid of challenges and crises
>Tough, able to withstand a crisis without being emotionally repressed
>Adventurous, able and willing to take on new challenges
>Responsible, always keeping in mind his responsibilities and always considering them
>Protective, willing to protect himself and those close to him, not necessarily in a physical way
>Assertive, being confident and sure of himself without being needlessly aggressive
>Leadership qualities, being able to motivate and lead when needed, without delusions of superiority

Something like that.

>>52508737
>posts ugly male orc from a high fantasy movie
>posts sexy female orc from a sexy pinup picture
hurr durr why they so different

>>52523647
>white man becomes green
What? Rather than a girdle of femininity, did he put on rags of Susscrofa or something?

>>52529236
>women
>wanting to fuck a black man

Maybe in porn when they're paid enough, I guess

>>52528218
No, you fucking shit.

Gender roles are an amalgamation of what men AND women expect from both the sexes.

Men don't punish each other for having emotions, unless they're faggots. But then you can crush their face and be done with it.

Then try having emotions anywhere near women. Suddenly you're a creep or whatever is the contemporary buzzword.

>>52530577
Women like men to have emotions they just need to be STOIC and RUGGED emotions. You need to stare GRIMLY at the horizon, a SINGLE tear rolling down your cheek. Then she holds you and let's you know it's ok to be vulnerable with HER

>>52528132

And in the end it won't matter, because there's only one sex that seeks others automagically to help with their problems. Take a hint: the mystical patriarchy is only a shadow projection of a real problem.

>>52528132
>I go to the hippiest of hippie colleges
Been to any protests against free speech lately?

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>>52528938

Muscles aren't attractive in women. A few autists showing how thirsty they are doesn't show anything beyond that.

>>52528978

Talking to the wrong crowd.

>>52528987

>Hurr girls lusting for high status men

> Things have changed

Yeah, women have welfare.

>>52529000

> There's nothing more repulsive to most women than a guy whose only value of himself is finding a woman to fuck, since his only view of them is an undifferentiated fuck-hole with no other redeeming attributes.

>women totally don't virtue signal and shame

>>52529032

Lay off the cuck porn.

>>52529278

>I know too little to know that male sexuality isn't female sexuallity

>>52529349

They went to the Anita Sarkeecheese School of Feminism.

>>52529461

> That's not "masculinity" or "femininity", that's literally just being "male and healthy" or "female and healthy".

This is what feminists and white knights actually pretend.

>>52531084
>Muscles aren't attractive in women.
You said so?
>Then I go on to imply that men are attracted to more bodytypes and fetiches than women
So pick one, mr. Objective Truth.
>Talking to the wrong crowd.
Yeah, most likely. Shoo off to your /theredpill.

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>>52531084
>Muscles aren't attractive in women.
They are, and it's disgusting that we have a culture that promotes weakness and flabbiness in women. We have women not working out because they don't want to get "too muscular" while the only women that can actually get too muscular are the once that juice. You're right in pretty much everything else you've said, but this is pretty grating.

>>52531084
Here's your (You), my virgin autist friend.

>>52531346
>They are, and it's disgusting that we have a culture that promotes weakness and flabbiness in women
My brother of african origin

>>52528620
>That's messed up. So legally women are incapable of being rapists?
In Switzerland yes

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>>52528620
>So legally women are incapable of being rapists?
Let's look at the CDC statistics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender
>1 in 20 women are raped
>1 in 71 men are raped
>in in 21 men are "forced to penetrate" (which is totally not rape!)

See what's happening here? In America, women rape men about as often as men rape women but it's not called rape because only men can rape! So what will be thrown around are the 1/20 vs 1/71 numbers, rather than 1/20 vs 1/20 (I'm counting both male-on-male and female-on-male rape here).

You know the old saying: damned lies and statistics.

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Where the fuck are my green muscle girl pic?

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>>52531313

>You said so?

I know this from depictions in art, listings by sex appeal, high performers in careers dependent on sex appeal to men.

>>52531346

> They are, and it's disgusting that we have a culture that promotes weakness and flabbiness in women. We have women not working out because they don't want to get "too muscular" while the only women that can actually get too muscular are the once that juice. You're right in pretty much everything else you've said, but this is pretty grating.

>recognizing that muscles aren't attractive in women is saying that fatness and other signs of hideousness are dandy

>>52531446

>being totally not triggered

>>52528062
>Dual wielding oversized metal slabs on twigs

Even my dark elf could overpower her easily then befilth her womb with his semen.

>>52508737
They have sexual dimorphism like slavs or other animals

>>52511297
>TFW Redheaded asian qt with freckles on a majestically thicc ass

Just kill me, Anons.

>>52531906

Brazilian women being super attractive is a meme. The only worthwhile looking ones have European admixture with phenotypes.

>>52531923
The ass is all I care about.

>>52532004

Found the Nigger.

>>52531612
B-b-but anon! Feminists fight the draft!!!

>>52512175
Female WoW Orcs look QT

>>52528934
>>52529023
So you suggest that men should completely change their personality, denouncing what is a core ideal to a lot of men, to protect them from psychological problems created by repressed emotions.

But at the same time, you dismiss how making them unattractive to most of the opposite sex might create its own set of psychological problems for red-blooded healthy heterosexual men?

Feminist hypocrisy at its finest.

>>52532028
Friend

Much as you may not like to hear it.

But the ass is the truth. When our distant ancestors were but treedwelling primates, we coveted the ass, as we could estimate a female's fertility cycle. It is only through upright motion that attention shifted to tits. Tits are fake asses!

And truly, their falsehood is mighty. A woman need only have financial funds to enlargen her breasts and men will flock to her, their inner beast aroused in anticipation. It saddens me greatly that the falsehoods also come to the ass with implants, but so far it practice is not widely known. As such, a woman must spend time at the gym and eat heartily to have magnificient glutes worthy of praise and adoration. If she is blessed with wide hips that swing seductively, she is truly born so men must love her.

Do not look above the waist if you seek but physical release, and only above the neck if you seek a partner worthy of family.

>>52532222
>Tits are fake asses!
Look, I'm fine with ass men, in fact I do appreciate a well-built ass myself.
But please fucking stop with that "tits are fake asses pseudoscience", will ya? People have different tastes, and they're all more or less social constructs (which, contrary to what feminists say, doesn't mean they should be eradicated).

The only truly genetic attraction is wide hips. The rest (tits, ass, feet, legs, slender bodies, etc) are social constructs. Enjoy them and stop trying to prove your superiority, people

>>52532342

>slender women being more attractive than fatties is a social construct
>tumblr

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>>52508819

>>52528503
>>52528327
It's great that American feminists actually fight for draft equality or for draft abolition, recognizing it as a systematic gender inequality.

Sadly, in my country, our local breed of 3rd wave feminists, who spout pretty much the same set of political points that American ones... suspiciously ignore the draft.

Because in my country, the draft is active lol

The most they ever say about it, is either
>oh if you don't like the draft why don't you fight to abolish it then
or
>why would feminism concern itself with the draft when there are important female issues to solve?
or
>meh many men dodge the draft, so it's not like it's much of a problem for men, amirite?

>>52532381
I didn't mean "it's natural to have a fetish for landwhales", don't twist my words.

I meant that slender builds as a body ideal, a in "very slim body with small hips and a small chest" (which is most notably prevalent in China, Japan, etc), is pretty much a social construct.

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>>52531084
>Muscles aren't attractive in women.
Here's a (you) for the road

>>52531084
>2009
Find me some 2016 stats, you gonna see white women going for that masculine BBC

>>52524865
The developer has made gay porn in the past and likes inserting manly muscle dudes into stuff.

>>52532566

Tell us about the hordes of non-lower IQ or otherwise dysfunctional White women hunting for Niggers and statisitcs showing it.

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>Dating sites
http://time.com/3302251/9-ugly-truths-big-data-ok-cupid-book/
http://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/
https://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

>Studies
http://www.thegrio.com/specials/life-and-style/study-reveals-racial-segregation-in-online-dating.php
http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/emir.kamenica/documents/racialPreferences.pdf
http://paa2008.princeton.edu/download.aspx?submissionId=80046
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2008/07/why-does-race-matter-for-women/
http://www.as.miami.edu/personal/cklofstad/15_mate_choice_PB.pdf

>History
http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2013/07/white-skin-privilege.html

>Female Listings
http://thebestpoll.com/the-most-beautiful-women-in-the-world-2016/
https://www.bacalao.co/who-are-the-15-most-beautiful-women-in-the-world/2015/12/10/
http://www.femininebeauty.info/attractive-women
http://www.askmen.com/specials/2016_top_99/
http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/most-beautiful-women-of-all-time
http://worldwideinterweb.com/1517-the-20-most-beautiful-women-in-the-world-according-to-google/
http://thebestpoll.com/the-most-beautiful-women-in-the-world-2016/
http://www.stickyday.com/the-20-most-beautiful-women-in-the-world/2/
http://www.strongestinworld.com/most-beautiful-women-of-the-world/
http://www.abcnewspoint.com/top-10-most-beautiful-women-in-world-of-2015/

>Male Listings
http://www.ranker.com/list/most-iconic-male-profile-of-all-time/the-monto-gawe
http://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/gallery/sexiest-hottest-men-of-2015-2016
http://worldsmostbeautifuls.com/worlds-most-handsome-men-2016-poll/

>Other
http://racehist.blogspot.com/2011/05/black-women-rated-less-physically.html?m=1
http://racehist.blogspot.com/2009/04/more-data-on-racial-mixing.html?m=1
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/08/12/are-white-women-the-gold-standard-in-beauty/
heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/the-myth-of-the-medieval-bbw/

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>>52532505
What does that have to do with the thread topic at all?

Also, that gap in statistics is totally 100% because of sexism. Not because society doesn't pressure women to get high-paying jobs, sometimes at the price of abandoning the jobs and lifestyles they like, no excuses allowed, or else they're deemed a societal failure.

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>>52532937
>>52532631
Yeah keep telling yourself that whitey

40% young white women have been with a black man at least once, even though black men make less than 20% of population

Also, try looking up "white woman" on google image search

>>52533074
>google "black woman"
solo pictures of black women
>google "asian woman"
solo pictures of asian women
>google "white woman"
...

oh come on google

>>52531906
>distinctly asian
>has a brazillian booty
>but has red hair

Red hair is a super recessive trait; for it to survive both mongaliod and negroid traits would mean that this hypothetical dream girl of yours is probably chockful of horrible genetic disorders.