Assuming such a continent* exists. Would it be close enough that

>>52496457
What, is that meant to be Atlantis or something?

It would seriously change the weather patterns of the Atlantic that's for sure

>>52496529
this, from my limited understanding of Northern Europe England would be much closer to the climate of Sweden and thus wouldn't have developed as much as it did, which would dramatically change euro history.

>>52496529
This. It would block the gulf stream, which would mean England would no longer have mild winters and lots of rain. This would significantly reduce their value to the various conquering peoples over the century, not to mention hamper their own economic development.

That potentially means no British Empire, which means no 13 colonies, which means no American revolution, which means no lend-lease to Russia and Britain in WW2 which means the Germans would be ruling Europe through puppet governments.

Wait, was the EU inevitable?

>>52496592
>impliying there would be a Germany at all in a world without anglos being relevant

France dominates Europe which means there's no chance of Germany ever being allowed to exist.

>>52496592
>was the EU inevitable?
In a sense, yes. Either the continent gets conquered and unified, or the countries decide to form a union which is what happened irl.

>>52496592
Well, Atlantis would get the mild British weather, they are kinda enourmous, we'll get something from there too. Atlanteans won't fight themselves forever, they'll eventually unite to fight a strong Europe.
An even more massive seafaring empire, with a stronger homebase, would be born, while the whole Europe will be slower in developing a strong agriculture.

>>52496592
>implying WW2 would happen
>implying history would go the same way everywhere at all with exception of Britain
There would be no Germans. History will be completely unrecognizable. If PoD for this continent is far enough in the past, humans might not even evolve at all.

>>52496650
>it's another episode of Napoleon rapes your country
I want off.

>>52496857
No fun allowed faggot, pls go and stay go.

>>52496870
But you are the no fun allowed faggot, anon

>>52496457
Shouldn't it increase humidity in Iberian Peninsula and Western Africa and provide better trade opportunities for them. Portugal would become the largest trading center between inner and outer seas.

>>52496592
This here.
But i guess UK has enough ressources to be interesting for mining.

>>52496775
Guess Atlantis would be like england and Uk would be like scandinavian?

>>52496775
>impliying they wouldn't be conquered and genocided by spaniards like everything east of europe

>>52497045
>like everything east of europe
You mean west of europe?

>>52496457
Looking at the mini-map in the corner I want to know what effect the multiple smaller continents would have.

For one thing this arguing about the Gulf Stream becomes pointless. This world doesn't have one.

>>52496976
it'd also raise sea levels pretty dramatically.

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>>52497342
The equatorial current being uninterrupted by the americas would be interesting.
The El nino and lL nina system would be utterly fucked though.

>>52496592
>no 13 colonies
Spain an Portugal
>no American revolution
It's the same but they speak beaner

>>52496457
That is roughly the size of Greenland. So no, it's not a continent. Continents are determined solely by size.

>>52498524
Then how come India gets called the sub-continent?

>>52498604
Because it's contiguous with Asia.

>>52498711
Unlike, let's say, Europe.

>>52498862
Which is bigger, and not so immediately dwarfed by Asia, and more easily defined as separate from Asia.

Though I've certainly heard the continent referred to as "Eurasia".

>>52498524
This man is wrong.

>>52496457
An idiot Spaniard would land there and think it was the Indies.

Is it reasonable to assume it's populated by technology advanced Neanderthals?

>>52498930
>and more easily defined as separate from Asia
I don't know, the Himalayas seem like a pretty good place to draw the line.

>>52501245
East and west?

>>52498524
There is no clear definition of what a continent is exactly, the answer you'll get depends on where the person you ask it comes from.

Though I guess most geographers will give similar answers

>>52496592
A Britain that is less developed would most likely not be conquered by the Romans, freeing up legions for use elsewhere, perhaps conquering Germania?

>>52502173
So we have a possibility of a longer lasting Rome. Possibly even to current year.

What would the climate of the middle-east be like?

Okay, let's think about this.

The gulf stream is completely fucked by such a large landmass at its northern curve. Chances are if it still exists, it rounds off south of the island.

This makes for a much colder northern Europe, including France and the UK. South West Europe, such as Spain, would get subject to much more extreme weather as the hot air from the Saharan meets cold air over that region, rather than further north in France and England. On the plus side, it also means more rain for them.

Given this, I suspect the balance of power would shift from France/England to the Southern and Eastern European states. Ukraine and Hungary especially would benefit, as their agricultural bases don't rely on the gulf stream and they're ridiculously fertile in comparison to the colder Western Europe.

As for the island itself... It's approximately the size of the entire Western/Central European nations, so it'd probably have its own set of warring nations and borders. They'd likely be maritime nations as it'd be fairly easy to island hop from Atlantis to the mainland, but they'd also get much more powerful storms than the Brits ever did. Hurricanes might even be an occasional problem. The Saharan dust stream could make the southern half of the island into one of the most highly fertile regions on the planet, too.

So all in all, the island would probably end up playing the same role England/Britain did in real life history.

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That thing's so far west it's pratically an extension of continental North America just south of Newfoundland

>>52499841
Only if they use GEICO.

>>52496457
Aside from majorly fucking up the climate as other have pointed out, assuming there would be no well developed natives, it would have probably been settled quite early, since vikings started settling in Iceland before the year 1000. Even in the scenario where it conceivably changes the least - just giving more space for medieval Europe to expand - it would have changed the historical balances of power immensely

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>>52496592
>>52496457

WHY WOULD YOU PUT A CONTINENT THERE ANON?

>mfw when we're all wearing overalls and waiting in line for a slice of old bread

>>52497031
>Guess Atlantis would be like england and Uk would be like scandinavian?
Normans decide not to stop in northern France or bother with england. Keep on going until they reach Atlantis.

Youre all ignoring the bigger impact.

You have a fertile continent at a midpoint between Europe and North America. Chances are Roman era seafaring technology would be sufficient to cross the Atlantic over a millennia before Columbus.

The entire Colombian exchange happens over a thousand years earlier. The plagues that decimate native populations are far weaker and they gain horses and iron working technology far earlier, jumpstarting North American development. At the same time Europe gets corn, beans and potatoes a thousand years earlier which accellerates their development.

Human population would explode far earlier and see trans Atlantic rivalry between Mesoamerican and European empires.

>>52504698
Native American coalition vs. Roman Empire war when?

>>52502382
Wouldn't that also remove the Sargasso Sea and make an earlier discovery of the Americas much more likely?

>>52504821
Yup. Chances are we'd see Roman or North African colonies in Brazil as soon as seafaring technology became sufficient to make it to Atlantis.

>>52502382
>>52504698
You also have to think about what a island/continent/subcontinent/whatthefuckever of that size would do to sea levels worldwide, especially on the Atlantic coastlines.

>>52496457

Isn't that literally Atlantis?

>>52504861
Good point, though I doubt it would be much difference on the global scale. Probably have higher sea levels on the European/American/African coasts facing Atlantis, but otherwise it'd be same old, same old.

>>52504861

I was assuming this meant deleting an equivalent amount of water but if not that would be a big effect too.

>>52504853
Not really, North Sea naval experience was not a strong suit of the Romans.

On the other hand, England would probably be the new Viking power.

>>52504698
But without a native population on the mystery continent whose artifacts would wash up on the european shore, there is no reason for the romans to go against the jetstream to push that far west.

If there ARE natives on that island, that changes the world immeasurably.

If not, it owuldn't be discovered until centuries later.

>>52505054
I imagine Iberians colonies the Island fairly early, because those fucks colonised the entire Atlantic coast.

>>52505084
>They colonized the entire Atlantic coast
And their descendants are now colonizing both American continents.

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>>52504698
>Romans
>Not any of the Seafaring champs of the Mediterranean like the Phoenicians
>Rome's face when they go west and find ANOTHER Carthage

>>52505163
>Desendants

So the Celtic-Britons and Spanish then? Hell, Atlantis would probably make Rome BTFO out of Western Europe and never form as big as it did.

We'd have a Nordic-like England, Iberian dominated Western Europe and probably a Persian themed Eastern Europe.

>>52505179
Instead of running east, Hannibal runs westword to a little known (but probably documented lets be fair its kinda big) island of impressive size off of the coast of (his childhood home) Spain. Rebuilds a new Carthage but has to name it something else since I think there's another New Carthage in Spain. Lays low long enough to become a major Mediterranean player and Hannibal's great great great grandsons lead the new Atlantean army to retake the western coast of Europe and crush armies lead by Caesar and Pompey.

This is a good idea anon.

>>52505294
Dude. A landmass that size would be a massive superpower, probably Iberian to begin with, Carthage would probably never exist.

That's just out of reach for celts, but well within range for Iberian ancestors.

>>52505340
Goddamit, we have another Spain don't we?

But, would it be conquered by the Moors like Spain, or would it be what Spain could have been if they didn't invade? Hell, could the Iberians migrate over when the Moors came in?

>>52496857
>There would be no Germans. History will be completely unrecognizable. If PoD for this continent is far enough in the past, humans might not even evolve at all.

THIS. You've completely changed weather patterns, climate, the ranges of different flora and fauna, even things like erosion and the course of rivers. Points of divergence this "deep" in time are impossible to honestly follow though.

Anyone asking about how the Romans or French or whatever would change is completely missing the picture.

>>52504861
The Iberian Peninsula has a surface area of 600,000 square km and Atlantis looks about five times as big, or 3 million km^2. Let's assume Atlantis is just west of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, the depth of the ocean was about 4km in our original timeline in that area, and that the undersea parts of the continental plate take and extra Iberia or two of space. We've now arrived at roughly 15 million cubic km of water. The surface area of all oceans is 360 million km^2, therefore the oceans would rise about 4cm.

Thermal expansion effects would not be much higher; rather, I think blocking the gulf stream would prolong glacial periods, binding much of the oceans to continental glaciers.

>>52505179
This, the Carthaginians or Greeks would make a better civilization to sail over the ocean if we want to use real life cultures instead of just deciding that a massive continent in the middle of the Atlantic wouldn't completely fuck up the timeline millions of years in the past.

And if we want to go full "Barcids rule Atlantis" conspiracy theory crazy, there's always this curious find to support it...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthaginian_coins_of_Corvo

>>52496457
It would completely fuck up climate in Europe. And it's a massive piece of land where Azores are IRL, so go fucking figure if it wouldn't be settled by Phenicians (assuming it would be fertile)

>>52505559
Oh wait, I probably fucked the math up. A depth of 15/360 km, not meters, so a 40 meter rise. It's a big rise, unless there's an ice age and the sea level is 120 meters below modern times.

I apologize, it's like 5am. Somebody with a clear mind should really double check that.

>>52505559
>>52505720
>I apologize, it's like 5am.
Look at the minimap in the OP when you wake up.

Carthage may actually stand a chance if atlantis exist
Also europes climate is completely BTFO

>>52505782
Jesus fuck not him but shit, the whole of Earth's history is going to be rewritten.

>>52498524
>Continents are determined solely by size
Interesting. Do you consider Australia a continent, island, or country?

I consider it an island country, and part of the continent Oceania.

>>52496457
I'm more concerned with what the fuck has happened to the New World. It's been split into three continents with assorted islands of varying size.

>>52496457

Vikings would have had that shit settled first.

>>52508666
I'm a vikingaboo and I'll admit that Phoenicians would likely have beaten them to the punch. Norse seafaring didn't really take off until 800 AD and onward.

>>52508628
I guess it was split into Lemuria, Mu and Greenland

>>52508797
Do Ultima Thule and Hyperborea exist as well? I really want those crazy ancient lost knowledge history stuff like that to be true

>>52496775
Atlantis would probably have limited contact with Europe until the late middle ages. Those waters are pretty intense in RL and will only get worse when you factor in reefs and shit from a new continent.

>>52504698
It's not a midpoint. It's right fucking next to North America and pretty far from Europe.

Early morning bump. This thread is giving me a mental boner.

>>52505224
Why Persian themed eastern europe?

>>52507962
Not that guy, but I'd say that after thinking about it for a while that you're probably right ... although if it didn't have a bunch of other islands in relatively close proximity it would be it's own country. as much as my American Education is screaming at me to call it a continent.

I'd say that the 3 lesser continents out west are far enough apart to be as alien/unknown to each other as they are to Europe.

There is no Gulf Stream and as such Britain gets actual distinct seasons and less rain.

The date on the OP screen cap shows it as 1444.

I'm going to suggest that there is a Rome, or Rome equivalent, that rules much of the Mediterranean coastline from Gibraltar to Constantinople on both the north and south shores. Except for the much contested Nile delta, that's still Egypt. Egypt has spread and amalgamated damn near everything along the length of that river from it's source to it's end. Capital of Egypt keeps varying between Axom, Cairo and a few other of the big/ancient cities in that long valley. Extremely stratified society, extremely ritualized and with at least 3 or 4 conflicting cosmologies/religions. Also extremely insular. They don't often leave their river lands, you don't generally get invited to stay.

Scandinavia and the British Isles are more than a dozen major nations and a bunch of independent islands. Mostly exist in a state of angry inter-tribal skirmish until some dipshit outsider (usually German) sticks their dick into the mix. Then they all unite to fucking overkill the interloper. They own the coats of the North, Baltic and North Atlantic seas from Novgorod to Britney to Iceland and the north coast of Atlantis.

>>52512672
I think I could agree that Australia would be its own country if it was more isolated. I consider Antarctica to be a full fledged continent, mostly because it's nearly twice Australia's size.

>>52496560
Meh, the tin is in southern England.

>>52504698
>At the same time Africa gets corn, beans and potatoes a thousand years earlier which accellerates their development.

BLACKENED

>>52508746
The atlantic coast had enough shipping for Cesar to casually ferry an army across the dover straits though.

>>52496457
There actually was a land there long ago.

>>52513868
This Atlantis is definitely isolated enough to be a Continent, being in the center of the Atlantic between America and Europe, but do you think it is big enough? Due to its isolation from other it would probably be considered one at first.

>>52514027
>>At the same time Africa gets corn, beans and potatoes a thousand years earlier which accellerates their development
Anon, at this point Western Africa would've been long conquered by Atlantis

>>52514086
I personally just see it as a large island country, like Greenland.

To ancient and medieval peoples, though, then yeah, they'd probably think it's like a brand new continent to explore en masse like the Americas and later Africa were.

Would the Atlantians be more technologically advanced than the Europeans and thus find the Europeans first. We should probably assume that there are people there somehow. also what about going in the opposite direction to the americas that would probably be significantly easier.

>>52514330
>Would the Atlantians be more technologically advanced than the Europeans
Their position would benefit trade and technology on both continents so it depends on climate changes in Europe.

>>52514402
This post >>52502382 explains the climate changes that would probably happen in Europe. Atlantians would thus have more advanced technology than both Europe and America.

>>52496696
yeah, they got conquered by bankers.

>>52514534
The problem is how would the Atlanteans have contact with Asia? Unless they develop their own version of gunpowder, they would either have to go the long way around the globe or through Europe.

>>52513838
I'd assume that the Atlantians would have discovered Europe due to proximity and currents before we discovered them. Also typically Atlantis is depicted as more technologically advanced than others around them.

Also they are hogging all the good weather, so they may have a considerable head start because of this. Although western side of the landmass will get horrific storms given the lack of the Americas.

Possibly, assuming they aren't naturally imperialistic, they will still have merged/subsumed the eastern side of Iberia and north Africa.

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So, what kind of people are the Atlantean?
Numenorean like?

>>52515846
Probably through Europe.
>>52516915
Americas are still possible in Op's pic and probably exist.

>>52518119
They'd probably be a combination of Iberian and Germanic peoples.

Whiter people in the north and darker people in the south.

>>52519919
If they went through Europe, we'd probably be on the same level of technology. It'd just turn into a non-european power that could keep even with the european technology advance. Maybe.

>>52519919
Not according to the minimap in the corner of OP's pic.

There are 3 big non-connected landmasses and a few smaller islands.

The effects from a geological change like that will impact humanity's social and cultural development from the first, yet you fuckwits are still talking about Rome, Carthage, etc?

How stupid are you people?

>>52497240
Yes. Sadly the spanish plan to invade China along with Japan wasn't approved because spaniards couldn't pay it .

>>52520729
Oops I missed that but is it possible that the minimap isn't fully filled out?

>>52520953
This.

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This seems to be the type of thread to ask, but what if the world was like pic related? Where the whole world was flipped upside down? What changes?

>>52521414
Weather patterns and geography are so different that you might as well stop with alternate history and just use it as a springboard for your fantasy novel

>>52520953
It's not unreasonable to assume that something not unlike in scale and grandeur would arise in similar conditions.

It might not be the Rome we know but it might not be entirely alien to the Rome that we do.

>>52520953
It's more fun discussing how history would have changed had there been a continent between Europe and NA than discussing how the world would have changed had the Americas not existed. There'd be way too much mental figuring involved if that were the case.

>>52503370
It's also sitting almost directly on top of the Midatlantic Ridge, which seems like it'd wreak all kinds of merry geologic hell on that island, assuming the laws of physics buttfuck themselves long enough to allow a point of seafloor spreading to somehow mound up high enough to form a mini-continent.

I cannot even imagine how seismically active such a place would be.

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>>52521444
>Those trips

>>52518119

Depends if there was ever a land bridge and, if so, when and where it was licated.


If there never was one, it'd probably end up full of vikings.

>>52521444
>It's not unreasonable to assume that something not unlike in scale and grandeur would arise in similar conditions.

Given the changes in climate and weather patterns, it is unreasonable to anyone who wants to actually THINK about the proposal.

Will there be kingdoms and empires? Of course. Will all the usual ebbs and flows occur? Of course. However to assume there would be a large empire on the Med's south coast or a large empire on the Med's north coast or that settlement patterns will even remotely similar is nothing but WILLFUL IGNORANCE.

A land mass there resets human history from the very beginning. The Fertile Crescent may not be fertile. The Sahara may not dry up. Settlement patterns are going to be completely different. Where settled agriculture is developed will change. Climate change means different animals will be present in different places changing what is domesticated where and when. Everything is going to change from the very beginning creating even more changes as time marches on.

Everything changes and yet boobs like you continue to bleat about how a "Rome" or "Iberia" or "Carthage" or "Germans" are somehow in the mix.

You've a chance to make something wildly different yet completely plausible but YOU'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID AND LAZY to do anything but mindlessly copy history.

What's that famous Marlon Brando quote? "I could have been something. I could have been a contender. Instead I'm a bum."

This idea could have been something, could have been a contender, but instead it's formulaic shit thanks to bums like you.

You and nearly everyone else in this thread are fucking pathetic.

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>>52521681
Then come up with something better and show us, you fucking sop.

>>52521513
It would be as stable as Iceland.

Which is to say that occasionally the entire island catches fire and very occasionally enough toxic shit is released to kill most of the nation depending on direction of prevailing winds.

>>52502382
So Atlantis would have no reason to colonize Europe? Suppose there exists maritime empires.

>>52521681
Then please tell us of your obtained and objectively correct information on the development of a parallel world.

>>52522027
Northern Europe most notably Great Britain would be raiding Atlantis and would likely be similar to Vikings as a result. Either that or they try to attack Western Europe which while not as nice as Atlantis, is still much better land than what they have.

>>52521880
>>52522028

So I have to do your homework too? Sure thing, faggots.

Start with how the climate changes. With the Gulf Stream diverted, wat will the climate be like Scandinavia, the British Isles, and Western Europe? How will the duration of the last ice age be effected? How will the withdrawal of the ice sheets be effected? Will Doggerland be lost to rising sea levels? Will the English Channel be as wide? Will the Black Sea break through the Dardanelles?

Chart the changed climate zones and then change the flora and fauna to match the locations of the new biomes.

Look very hard at the Sahara/North Africa. Will the grasslands and lakes remain? Or will the desert still arrive? Without the pressure created by people leaving the drying Sahara, civilization along the Nile doesn't arise where/when it did historically.

Look at the Fertile Crescent next. Will the Anatolian highlands receive the same rain fall so the Tigris and Euphrates will be the same? If not, civilization in that region changes dramatically too.

That's just the beginning, but you should know where to begin instead of simply making shit up regarding Rome, France, etc.

>>52522309
I love how you get all salty and make these demands of people, but then just repeat the same vague "shit will be different" as >>52502382, but even less specific than that.

No shit the ocean currents will be "different". Any mongoloid can figure that out.

Put some actual thought behind the bile spewing from your cakehole.

>>52522309
>Things are different so things will be different

No fucking shit Sherlock. That was your great revelation?

Yes this is a pointless post. It complements yours.

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>>52498524
>continents are based on size
>not tectonic, cultural, and physiograpic boundaries that can be seen as ultimately abitrary and change depending on who benefits the most

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>>52498930
>>52498862
>>52498711
>>52501245
India is tectonicly separate from Asia. Europe is not.
If anything it is easier to argue that India should be it's own continent instead of Europe but Europeans are the ones who made most of the maps and wanted to be seen as distant from Oriental Culture

Other than Eurasia most of the continents are based off of tectonic plates.

>>52522429
>Put some actual thought

Actual thought? Let's see...

I specifically mentioned climate changes and how they'll result in different flora and fauna being in different regions thus changing where and when domestication of both will occur.

I specifically talked about ice sheets and sea level changes mentioning Doggerland's survival and whether the Black Sea remains landlocked.

I specifically mentioned the Sahara and how whether it desiccates or not will effect any civilization arising in the Nile valley. I mention the two most critical water sources in the Fertile Crescent too and how changes to them will fundamentally change any civilization arising there.

What douchebags like you cannot understand is that you're looking for changes too far into the future. The changes in human history will occur BEFORE civilizations arise. Paleolithic and Chalcolithic history, settlement patterns, and other developments are all going to be wildly different. That in turn will effect where/when the first civilizations arise and the changes will only accumulate from then on.

But, because I'm not talking about Vikings fighting Romans in Atlantis, I haven't been addressing any "real" changes. Sure thing, fuckwit.

>>52522803
Wow Atlantis sit exactly on the intersection of three plates that would mean a whole lot of activity ... how would Atlantians adapt to this.
Also with volcanic ash being very fertile combined with the area having an fertile climate agriculture would be unmatched.

>>52522968
There are not volcanoes there now so why would there be any if Atlantis sat their? That spot where all three meet is mostly transform (sliding next to each other) boundary. So Atlantis would have lots of earthquakes that made large scale buildings hard to maintain.

>>52523081
Ok, didn't know. But still how would they react to all of that tectonic activity?

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>>52522822
>Specific things are different so specific things are different.

>Name drop some occurrences and variables and the places they might in some way have effected but not what those effects might have been.

Also we are working off of OP's pic and working outwards from there.

It shows Europe inhabited by nations.

Those nations are presumably at least slightly analogous to the nations of today or at least a nation of today.

There could be a "Carthage/Roman Republic" type blob going along the coast because the Mediterranean Sea would still make trade easier and the climate more bearable.

The mountains of Europe, Asia and Africa are all in the same places so we can assume that most of the major rivers are somewhere near where they should be.

If the Nile is still a thing then the Nile Delta is still a thing so even if the rest of the Fertile Crescent is relocated the Nile will still provide fertile ground. All civilization requires a surplus of food beyond mere survival to work, so something is going to arise along that river.

The prevailing wind direction is still going to be the same and it's still going to be passing over the same amount and shape of Africa and probably still be carrying the same amount of moisture when it gets to the Nile catchment area. So the Nile is still going to be there.

>>52523161
How do Californians and the Japanese react to it?

>>52523199
>>52523161
this is an opertunity for me to point out that the vast majority of things destroyed in earthquakes are not the result of the shaking (except in really big ones) but the resultant fires from torches, fireplaces, gas mains, ovens, etc are the real problem.

>>52523257
This is a case where there would likely be a lot of "really big ones" (relatively) as there is a triple intersection of plates which is right in the middle of the continent.

Something I didn't think about is if there are mountains on the continent and what the orientation the mountain range is if there are mountains. Due to the gulf stream if there are north/south oriented mountain ranges the west side of the mountains will be extremely wet and the east side will be a desert.

Also if the Land mass is between 30 degrees and 40 degrees north latitude with little to no mountains going north south then the west side of the island will generally have a Mediterranean Climate that may be the whole climate. That is based of the prevailing pattern the Koppen Climate Classification System.

East/West Mountains are going to change average annual surface temp on the north and south side of the land mass because of the mountains blocking the sun during the winter.

Koppen Climate Classification
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ppen_climate_classification

>>52523476
Cont.

Also blocking the gulf stream is going to change most of europe's c climates into d and make the continent as a whole dryer and colder with russia potentially becoming a cold desert.

>>52496457
For most of Humanity's history, our ships have remained close from the shores.
So that distant continent would probably be pretty isolated until the 15th century, simply because nobody would have any reason to cross such a vast area of water before.

One can imagine that the Atlanteans would hop from island to island with their own ships and eventually reach Africa.
But if any trade is set, it would remain limited.

The Americas might be discovered by Atlanteans, though

>>52523546
>Also blocking the gulf stream is going to change most of europe's c climates into d and make the continent as a whole dryer and colder with russia potentially becoming a cold desert.

Which should give all the simpletons populating this thread something to think about.

If the Russian/Ukrainian steppes are deserts or similarly marginal regions, will there be the same movement of populations found in our history? For thousands of years, entire groups left Central Asia willingly or unwillingly to invade, Europe, India, and the Near East.

The Bronze age collapse of ca.1200 BC was due in part to people like the Dorians, Phrygians, and others moving from lands north of the Black Sea into Greece, Anatolia, the Levant, and Egypt. If the Ukraine and the lands further east are a desert, would those people even exist?

Guess where the horse was first domesticated? Guess where the first chariots were built? Without the Eurasian steppes, where will those things happen instead?

>>52496457
It would probably be at least half full of angry nonwhites, like Spain, except instead of swords they only use spears and axes due to the technological disadvantage of the region as sea currents would be too strong for ships to cross from Iberia to the island judging from how far it is off the coast.
It would become a Spanish or Portugese colony.

>>52496457
How does this continent affect the climate of the Americas? Is there a European version of the Gulf Stream that moves from Europe or Africa to the Americas that this blocks?

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>>52496457
Here's a better map

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>>52529793
EVEN BETTER MAP

How do you even get the random continents to spawn, I have it set to frequent and have never seen it happen.

>>52529849
Delete system 32.

Wow.

>>52520953
>>52521681
>>52522309
>>52525067

You anons caught one super salty fag master. And so far the contributions have been the sort of shit that is covered third year of secondary school being delivered like some philosopher king from on high to the simple masses.

>Rain shadow is a thing
No kidding
>Drier areas provide less food
Bravo
>Can't domesticate animals that you aren't greatly familiar with for extended time so the domestication would have to occur elsewhere
Much revelation
>Things would develop different
So enlightenment

>>52498462
>beaner
people still use that ward?

>>52523081
http://bayimages.net/blog/inca-construction-and-earthquake-resistance/
Incas figured it out, no reason why Atlanteans shouldn't.

>>52496592
There's no Americas on that map, so I don't think you need to worry about the United States.

And it would not block the North Atlantic Current much, or the Gulf Stream. It's (slightly) north of.. and they wouldn't be generated anyway because there's no Gulf of Mexico to act as a water heater on this map.

You'd still have the European/Afrcian landmass forceing water to go up when it wants to go east, so Northern Europe would still have plenty of energy getting dumped on it, though not as much.

With no Americas, just those big subcontinental islands you could see a gigantic amount of energy hitting Africa. Prevailing winds starting in China would carry moisture all the way from China. You could end up with Africa utterly soaked.

>>52505500
Durkas are terrible warriors, and an ocean would make it much more difficult to invade an occupy.

>>52524181
Not true. The Scandis had been to NA by the 800s to 1000s.

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>>52531321
So Africa is a mix of Rainforest, becoming temperate forest in the more northern and southern latitudes and grassland where it's not that.

We now have the Great Sahara Plains upon which the horse was first domesticated on in prehistory. Pic related.

Horse was later adopted by the steppe/plains peoples of Europe because of course they fucking were.

Britain is a bit shit with it's harsher climate, coniferous forests and it's generally considered not worth the effort to invade. May or may not be the last refuge of the Neanderthals or at least people with a lot more Neanderthal blood in them than the rest of Europe due to them dying out there last.

Also given the increase in cold plains of Europe it's not impossible that the woolly mammoth has survived to the OP image year of 1444, possibly even domesticated in the manner of an Indian elephant if that is possible.

Agriculture, when it arises, in central Europe is primarily pastoral rather than arable, in contrast to Africa where it's predominantly arable and tree plantations.

>>52531558
They land hopped around the top.

Erik the Red got booted off of Iceland for murdering a dude and founded Greenland. Lufar the Lucky, son of Erik the Red, gets sick of Greenland and sets out further west because presumably the fishermen saw something on the horizon. Discovers Canada/Vinland and gets kicked off by the natives.

>>52496457
It's about the same size as zealandia, which is often considered to be a continent now due to being geologically distinct and unified. It would probably be just too far away for large scale trading during the middle ages, but into the renaissance it would probably be a large trade power from having invested in a navy, and would discover the new world long before Portugal did. It would probably become an incredibly powerful empirical power and dominate Atlantic trade. From 1600s-1700s onwards it would have affected the world enough for history to become unrecognizable.

>>52496775
Atlanteans would be backward AF, no significant trade/knowledge exhange with asia/europe after being collonised some time around 1000BC. They would just be raped by whoever shows up around 1400AD

>>52531013
>http://bayimages.net/blog/inca-construction-and-earthquake-resistance/
Yea, hand shaping 1000's of rocks is an efficient way to build.... hint: it isn't
Sidenote I have been to machu picchu, highly reccommend doing the 4 day hike to get there.

>>52531760
Or it's consists of several distinct kingdoms all in fierce competition with each other and the competition has spurned on experimentation.

Which is not so say 2,000 years of XP farming has gone entirely perfectly. By 1444 they might not be much more advanced because the earthquakes keep fucking with them, big "half the population died because of toxic shit" might occasionally knock them on their ass, occasional hyper storms gathering speed since China and also maybe they encounter a few easterners on occasion and one of them had Ebola or some shit.

>>52531956
If you are actually interested in why they would be backwards as fuck read the book guns, germs and steel.

Best case scenario they would have been on par with Incas.

>>52532131
>>52531956

It all comes down to no knowledge exchange/trade because it is not big enough and more importantly not wide enough. Also there would be limited animals to domestic (again not big enough, not connected to eurasia).

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>>52532156
>not connected to eurasia

The mini islands look like a connection..

>>52534150
This.

Madeira, Canary Islands and any new islands would be stopping off points for traders.

There is no need for Atlantis to be isolated from the mainland.

Looking at how the climates might turn out by 1444 it an west African coast might be the cultural hub of the western hemisphere.

>>52496469
Its just some randomly generated landmass. The game eu4 has an option to randomly generate a south/north America and cultures their cultures, climates and names

>>52534751
>>52534150
Madeira is now Tortuga for Númenóreans. I never realized how much I needed this.