Is there any RPG that accurately represents the horrors of socialism?

>>52488488
Mayhaps, it is your fate to write such an RPG?

>>52488488
That's more of a DM narration thing. Depict a storyline about something else, then there's societal collapse and the government makes everything far worse. Its up to the DM/GM/ST to provide atmosphere.

>>52488488
FATAL

>>52488488
Paranoia is a game about living in a dystopian underground bunker controlled by a Friendly and Helpful computer. Fun is mandatory for all Troubleshooters.

Whether you could reskin it into Venezuela is your own challenge.

>>52488488
GURPS

>>52488523
I can try but I am not an expert in English

>>52488539
Is there no RPG about fighting back against evil government soldiers that rape your family and steal your money?

I do not know the better terms to search for with google about it. I tried searching for Communism RPG and Socialism RPG but I only got communism and socialism propaganda from Marx.

>>52488488

Technically speaking, Paranoia fits the bill. The Player Characters are Troubleshooters (their job is to find trouble and shoot it) working for Friend Computer in order to hunt down all the mutant, communist, traitors lurking about in society.

The setting is far enough into the future that highly advanced genetic engineering has turned everyone into mutants, all the means of production are collectively owned by the working population and resources/jobs are distributed via need and skill, and everyone is part of various secret societies all bent on the traitorous goal of destroying or modifying Friend Computer.

>>52488565
>>52488687
Paranoia has humor details. Our situation is not a laughing stock, believe me.

>>52488488
There is a single page RPG system where all the players are stuck on an island and are to be killed in order to be consumed by distant and uncaring overlords. I can't remember the name of it but you might be able to make it fit.

>>Mayhaps, it is your fate to write such an RPG?
>I can try but I am not an expert in English
ah si ah si because only English readers can play an RPG. Looks like your clever disguise fell off, Mr. Troll.

>>52488584
No, not specifically. If you're that interested in making it happen just play something like Chronicles of Darkness and flavor all the weird supernatural shit as highly advanced technology that the Statists have stolen from overtaxed and overworked corporations just trying to abide by the Non-Aggression Principle and provide an optimum quality of goods and services to their customers at prices dictated by market demands.

>>52488723
>Our situation is not a laughing stock

Suuuuuuuuuure.

>>52488723
The Straight playstyle of Paranoia XP strips out a lot of the humorous elements.

>>52488762
My country and most of my continent does not afford RPGs. I play English games and read English books mostly.

Don't be insulting.

>>52488855
So what you're saying is that there is an untapped market for low-cost, Spanish language RPGs?

>>52488903
I wish more people could afford it. :(

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>>52488488

>>52488855
I played 4e online with a Peruvian a few years ago. He was pretty cute.

>>52488940
Who cares this is fun

>>52488942
It is illegal in my country to be homosexual, so all the work camps are filled with child rapers.

>>52488488
What's that one indie RPG where you play on a "post scarcity" spacestation and the currency is facebook likes?

Play that.

>>52488488
paranoia?

>>52488723
Yes it is.

>>52488762
it *is* a good chunk of the market appeal

>>52488488
Paranoia, perhaps.

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>>52488723
>the whole continent excepting post-Pinochet Chile is considered a joke by the world

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>>52488723
>Our situation is not a laughing stock

>>52489332
...

Y'know what, I'm ready for nuclear Armageddon now. We have clearly failed as a species.

>>52489393
>We
No, not we. Socialists. Leftists. They have failed as a species. Not us.

>>52489393
Welcome to 4chan newfriend.

>>52489393
>cyberpunk digital currency being used to fuck over government and corporate enslavement

>failed

Fuck that

>>52488723
>>52489307
True, even for us.

>>52488488
What's wrong with Democratic Socialism? Numerous studies over the years show that countries that have democratic socialist governments and programs are more stable, happier, have better health care at lower costs and more. Just because a party calls itself socialist or communist does not make them so. Look at Venezuela - A big issue with them is that the government is corrupt and inept and their parties are agglomerating power for power sake. Then you look at Denmark which is a happy, healthy democratic socialist government that is actually freer than the US in almost every single regard. Sure, they pay more in taxes but the people understand and willingly pay since it covers so many benefits they all draw on such as healthcare, education, a free and open government and retirement funds.

What you should be focusing on is against corrupt and dictatorial governments, not socialism.

>>52489718
This is the type of propaganda they used to destroy my country.

>>52488940
We know anon

We know

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>>52489195
>What's that one indie RPG where you play on a "post scarcity" spacestation and the currency is facebook likes?

>>52489811
If you're OP... don't kid yourself.
South America has been immune to stable, non-corrupt Governments for centuries.

>>52489718
But we can't do things based on evidence anon because it has a scary name!

>>52488488
Pathfinder

>>52489718
>willingly pay taxes
This always makes me laugh because not paying taxes means your are thrown in jail and your freedom removed.

There is no choice its compliance or else.

>>52489890
>Baaawww pooling money with my fellow citizens gets me better services than I could get by myself
>taxes is theft guys!

>>52489932
>better services
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>52489932
That would be true if you could opt out with the only penalty being a loss of services.

>>52488565
>>52488687
>>52488841
Paranoia is the way to go OP. Just slice out all the humor and lay bare the horrors.

>>52488488
>Is there any RPG that accurately represents the horrors of socialism?

So OP, have you heard about a game called 'Fatal'?

>>52488565
Are you implying that The Computer is a communist citizen? That's pretty damn treasonous.

>>52488903
Spanish would be the most logical market to expand into after english, I'm pretty sure it's got the highest number of speakers.

>>52488488
>I've never seen an RPG that really allows us to fight back against the type of thing we are going through.

Venezuela isn't suffering through socialism, it is suffering through dictatorship. Don't confuse the two, a lot of Burgerstanians can't figure out the difference.

>>52488488
Racial Holy War.

>>52489718
Denmark is not a socialist country in any way whatsoever, it's social democrat, they're totally different. Why do so many people not understand this? You're american aren't you? It's a hell of a thing when a country can produce self-proclaimed socialists who don't have the slightest clue what in the hell is and isn't socialism.

>>52488488
Parano-
Damn it

>>52489852
>country that isn't actually socialist in any way and has it's defence budget covered entirely by a foreign nation is a good example of practical real world socialism
Stop getting your definitions for political terms from right-wing idiots who probably think that the Marx brothers wrote the Communist Manifesto.

>Venezuela
>Socialist

Pick one

Why are /tg/ so fucking red? Oh yeah, fantasy lands that can't possibly exist in real life, how did I not see the connection sooner?

>>52490270
kek

>>52490270
/tg/ Also worships Ayn Rand and Atlas shrugged despite the dumb shitstain living off social services and being laughed out of every economic think tank of her time.

>>52490254
We tried to vote against it. The government reported the vote wrong and then made the media lie.

>>52490298
That is called a "dictatorship" or "failed state", not socialism.

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>>52490314
Wow, one of them is really doing the "not real socialism" thing

>>52490270
The fun people got bored of the thread, now it's time for "listen fuckface, let ME tell you how the world works" faggots.

>>52490292
Workable Eclipse Phase General description.

>>52490141
>>52490254
>>52490314

Venezuela is suffering under an ineffective dictatorship utilizing a socialist system.

>>52490292
>/tg/ Also worships Ayn Rand and Atlas shrugged
They do? News to me.

>despite the dumb shitstain living off social services
Well isn't her entire philosophy about how being selfish is a virtue? Get what you can, fuck everyone else, where is there anything about refusing free money from idiots? I don't think you really understood her philosophy by the sounds of it, it's pretty terrible.

>>52490314
>countries that don't call themselves socialist but are doing well are socialist
>countries that do call themselves socialist but are doing poorly aren't
God I wish I had a world view like that where I'm always right.

>>52490314
This. It's corruption you hate, not socialism.
>>52490195
I said democratic socialist. Reread my comment -
>Then you look at Denmark which is a happy, healthy democratic socialist government

>>52490365
>that is completely propped up by NATO and otherwise wouldn't be able to maintain trade routes or defend itself in any way

>>52490365
Social democrat, not democratic socialist. They're not socialists, the two terms do mean different things. READ A FUCKING BOOK.

>>52490342
Keep raging against the death of the American Empire. You'll either die in a fractured country, or live long enough to see European Social Democracy take over.

Either way, it must suck to have failed as an Empire so quickly.

Why not accept that corruption is part of Humanism? Lets you hate socialist and fascists.

>>52490342
It's a super-corrupt kleptocracy and dictatorship.

Socialism is a perfectly reasonable way to allocate emergency resources to the extremely poor.

That's failed in this case because there's a bunch of communist controls on the market there and it's all being used to rob everyone and at every level there's corruption that reduces efficiency of an already inefficient system.

>>52490406
>the death of the American Empire
What the fuck are you talking about?

>to see European Social Democracy take over.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 10/10 good troll anon I had you wrong, keep up the good work.

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>>52488723
>Our situation is not a laughing stock
You have got to be trolling. What kind of respone did you honestly expect?

>>52490384
Do you honestly think Denmark needs to protect itself from anyone? Germany is a friend, the other Scandies love the Danes in a retarded little brother kind of way.

Oh, and the world isn't in the medieval times when war was declared every monday. Although even in those times Danes did just fine.

What has America done for the world recently? Germany and China are on the rise, while the American government can't even maintain the legitimacy and security of their own elections.

>>52489839
There you go.

Everything is free, the only resource is social capital, play it as a socialist dystopia and do whatever it takes to earn them facebook likes.

>>52490016
You can, it's called emigrating.

>>52489135
What like Little Bow-wow?

>>52488488
>accurately represents the horrors of socialism?

Yeah, not being bankrupted going to the doctors office for Bronchitis sure is a hellish reality to live in.

I don't know how 90% of the western world survives.

>>52488488
>implying you would be any better off if Venezuela was capitalist

>>52490342
>He bought the revisionist lies perpetuated by his corporatocracy
Wow nice going, Steve burger.

>>52490530
This.

>>52490406
At the rate things are going, I assume Europe is much more fucked than the US is. The people in Europe are both weak in spirit and in body.

>>52490530
>Go into doctors about your problem
>Uh ok we'll schedule a consultation
>3 month wait
>Hm ok here's some paracetamol come back if it doesn't work
>3 month wait because it doesn't fucking work
>Oh uh I guess we can do some tests
>Turns out you have problem x
>Had we caught this earlier it would have been fine but now we need to do expensive shit
>Btw that's a 2 year waiting list lol
>Die

That's my countries social healthcare, and it's considered pretty good. People who wank on about social healthcare either

>Live in a country without it and think it's fucking magic
>Live in a country with it and have never had to use it except for flu shots

>>52490536
It's a hard situation. The oil pretty much has to be nationalized or the whole country is going to be a poor as fuck petrostate, but with crashing oil prices the socialist programs that supported much of the country are falling apart. They were stupid and inefficient systems to begin with and with the cash crunch they can't keep working at all.

Frankly they should have just paid everyone dividends from the oil profits and let them buy shit. The cash crunch would still hurt a lot but they wouldn't have the shitty problems of the controlled basic markets.

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>>52490617
>The people in Europe are both weak in spirit and in body
Good bait. Guaranteed replies.

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>>52490617
>The people in Europe are both weak in spirit and in body.

And America is a bastion of health and fitness.

>>52490648

The US has socialist health care for people under 18 and over 65. It's a stupid system. But it also works perfectly well and health care eaislly matches demand.

Also, like 80% of our health care is socialist anyway because it's fucking old people.

>>52490406
European social democracy will either be ISIS or Nazis by the end of the century. It's taking over jack shit.

>>52490470
>What has America done for the world recently?
War and destabilization?

>>52489393
I'd be chill with a big space rock or a 100% fatality biological meltdown. Anything that gets the job done really.

>>52490695
We also normalized digital espionage and assassination by drone.

>>52490648
Nice try, but only Americans think Socialized medicine works like that.

If it is serious, you get the procedure. For free.

Not to mention in America the situation would go:
>Have problem
>Don't have good health insurance, don't go to doctor. Die
>Have health insurance. Go to doctor. Can't afford procedure. Die.
>Sells house to pay for procedure. Live for a year, then die destitute in an alley.

America is the only first world country in the world where minor medical issues are death sentences.

>poor guy is asking if there are any rpgs where he and his buddies can pretend to be the rebel alliance against a government like the socialist nightmare that has destroyed his country

>thousands of spoiled bratty american wannabe commies flood in and start screeching and trying to do damage control

Wow... really makes you think

>>52490695
>Gets pissed because the world policemen is drunk on the job and isn't keeping everything as safe and profitable as they have been for the last century

Fuck you, we get to have wacky bullshit problems too

>>52490730
What, don't like having to share your board? Now you know how we feel. :^)

>>52489932
I think he was just talking about the fact that's how taxes work. You pay them or they throw you in prison.

>>52490669
A weak spirit and weak willpower. You Europeans pretend to be the bastion of tolerance, stabbing yourselves as proof of your own greatness. In the end, that's weakness that will be abused by your enemies. I hope you become more tolerant and embrace the religion of peace.

>>52490730
To be fair we already gave him some solid recommendations. We're probably gonna get merged with /jp/ or something in a sec anyway might as well act like dipshits.

>>52490719
>America, where even illegal immigrants get the finest healthcare in the world for free has bad health care that kills you

>Socialist systems with literal death panels are clearly the answer

Oh you commies, just can't possibly go one post without mortifying yourselves

>>52490730
>socialist nightmare that has destroyed his country
Confusing socialist with dictatorship. Must be a burgerstanian.

>>52490768
You will be amazed how hyperbolic are reactionary venezuelans

What exactly is Japans economic model? I mean they are a collective society but they dont seem to be socialist or communist.

>>52490719
Kek, in socialist utopias you just get thrown in some incompetent state facility where no one so much as changes your bedpans until you die slowly for no reason. If the government doesn't just sentence you to death outright for being too old and inconvenient and probably racist or something.

>>52490768
Wow, it's a "not real socialism" guy, holy shit

>>52490791
Mixed market economy.

Fidel Castro and Che Gueverra arr fucking worshipped. Humanitys collective iq really drops.

>>52490761
Everyone in the US gets emergency care. They stabilize you so you won't die immediately, and discharge you the moment their legal liability is covered. They aren't required to, for example, provide you with chemotherapy drugs or remove cancer.

You can absoloutly die for want of ability to pay for procedures.

The good news is if you make it to 65, you get socialist health care for the rest of your life.

>>52490753
The country least affected by Terrorism lecturing the countries most affected by it. That is rich.

Meanwhile, in the midst of all your grandstanding about how tough and free you are, you let the Russians take over your highest office.

Good job.

>>52489811
Your country was corrupt and had an economy over dependent on imports paid for with oil money, which was vulnerable to sudden price drops. None of that is inherent to socialism.

If socialism is to blame, it's only because the economic planners were idiots. Putting all your eggs in one basket is a bad idea in any economic system.

>>52490768
>Thinking socialism is ever anything but a dictatorship

Yep, American millennial brat. Probably with a $100,000 degree in Oppression Studies with a minor in Butt Sex.

>>52489393
The lord kek is saving people from a communist government and starvation.

those Venezuelans really gave me an idea for a frog god of commerce. I might have to use them in a merchant city setting.

>>52490761
>Death Panels

MAGA like typing detected.

Go wank to Tucker's Bowtie.

>>52490827
>corruption
>not inherent in socialism

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY FUCKING SHIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>52490843
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jin_Chan

Wow you really came up with a good one

>>52490849
>Capitalism is never corrupt.

>>52490820
>He's seriously that brainwashed.

What, are you going to lecture us on how America needs to bomb Syria to get rid of EBUL ASSAD next, followed by taking in half it's population.

>>52488488
Venezuela's ongoing crisis isn't the inevitable result of a centrally planned economy as much as the inevitable result of a centrally planned economy run by beaners.

>>52490719
Let me give you an example of our awesome healthcare system

>Gf gets diagnosed with Endometriosis
>Basically you get debilitating stomach pain and can lead to infertility pretty quickly
>She is up almost all night every night with horrible pains, whimpering and crying
>Often gets this at work and just has to go home because she can't do fucking anything
>Has used up all her sick days and is told to fuck off for disability payments since "but you have a job lol"
>Fuck this
>Go to hospital
>Oh lol well opiates are addictive and bad so here's some panadol
>SHE DOESNT NEED PANADOL SHE NEEDS FUCKING MORPHINE YOU CUNTS
>6 hours later she gets a tiny tramadol pill and we are told to fuck off
>Specialist appointment scheduled for 6 months away because that's the earliest they can do apparently
>That's not surgery, just a consultation
>Spending my entire night every night with her in the hospital because they have finally deigned to give her 1 codeine pill every time we go in and wait for 6 hours
>Rinse repeat for three weeks
>Find out she has private health coverage under her dad's plan
>Call them up
>3 days later she is in a nice private place, surgery done in a day and she is out and fixed

Honestly I can't even imagine if you didn't have private cover in this country and got cancer or some shit. Fuck off.

>>52490842

Remind me again what unfettered and unregulated Capitalism has given the world?

Aside from numerous economic crashes.

Red Markets.
Google it.

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>>52490849
>>52490863
>plebs slapfighting over how they'll make it big someday
>will never be part of the true patrician ruling class

>>52490863
>admits that socialism is always corrupt
>but that's okay because other people are corrupt sometimes too

>>52490879
Remind me what socialism has given the world besides economic stagnation and record-level genocides?

>>52490717
America for the win.

>>52490878
Sounds made up. Either that or you live in Bunga Bunga land.

Oh, and the sick day/disability thing? That's private insurance screwing you over.

Maybe if your shitty country didn't have two tier health, but rather universal, you wouldn't have a problem

>>52490896
>>knows that capitalism is always corrupt
>>but that's okay because people are corrupt sometimes too

Venezolano cheto y cagón.
Aguante el socialismo, pedazo de gato.
Escapate a yanquilandia y anda a lavar platos, bobo.

>>52490719
Closer to this, actually:
>Go to doctor
>Get shot
>Die

>>52489811

If you fucked it up sounds like your country deserved to be destroyed no matter who was running it.

The real problem is scapegoating some system instead of realizing you failed as a people.

>>52490909
Well European social democracy has given us the longest uninterrupted period of peace in human history?

>>52490931
>tries to reverse logic that doesn't apply the other way around
>is a marxist
Wow, people of color me surprised!

>>52490827
>Putting all your eggs in one basket is a bad idea in any economic system.
Take the city of Detroit for example.

>>52490909

>This guy thinks that capitalism hasn't murdered more people.

>>52490926

>Get btfo
>B-but that can't be true you must be lying

Mate this fucking New Zealand, we are supposed to have a great public healthcare system. And yeah I'm sure that getting rid our excellent and cheap private system would make our public system work great. Guess what as well, sick days and disability payments are managed by guess who, THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT WHAT A SURPRISE.

>>52490945
And now you understand why we fought so hard to utterly destroy the democrat crime syndicate.

>>52490960
>Doesn't make an argument

>>52490978

>This is what the alt-right actually believes

>>52490967
>maybe if I repeat the talking points that my gender studies teacher used to deceive me I will look knowledgeable on an anonymous image board

>>52490967
I know right? The industrial revolution killed more then Stalin. Not to mention the American slave trade.

>>52490948
>He thinks it wasn't because of the Cold War
>He thinks it isn't because America pays Europe's defense bill

>>52490967
>He seriously thinks the fount of unprecedented prosperity kills more than gulags and famine

Top kek. Go live in Cuba.

>>52491011
If there's so much prosperity why are there so many poor people?

>>52491011
Considering the US spent billions over the years to cause trouble, raise cain, and generally fuck with Cuba, that's a poor choice in "go look at X".

>>52490971
>cheap private system
>New Zealand

Ah, that explains it. For those who do not know, New Zealand has two systems, rather then one Universal one. Both are subsidized by the government. So rich people can pay for quick care, everyone else has to wait.

That's why you are fucked anon. If you had real Uni Health, this would not be an issue.

>>52490948
minarchist democracies with social programs. more utilitarian than marxist but murricans can't see the difference

>>52490996

>What is the belgian congo

>What was the opium trade

>What were the multiple indian genocides

>What was the irish potato famine

Nope, no fatalities here. Capitalism can carry on.

>>52491022

See, when there are poor people under socialism, that's proof that the system has failed completely and can't be trusted. When there are poor people under socialism, that's proof they're lazy and the system can't be questioned. Double standards are fun.

>>52491022
Obviously the solution is to shoot all the rich people and redistribute their wealth. Because that definitely doesn't lead to all the power in the hands of those who redistribute.

>>52491026
>the US refused to trade with Cuba
>That's why Communist Cuba had problems the entire time their Communist dictator was alive

Oh man, if only Communist Cuba had free trade, that would have solved everything!

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>>52491022
Why can poor people afford luxuries beyond kings of a century ago?

>>52491026
Live in Laos then.

>>52491026
I'd suggest Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Scandies, etc.

Countries that are doing just fine on their own, despite America wrecking the economy like a gibbon throwing shit at the walls.

>>52491039
>See, when there are poor people under socialism, that's proof that the system has failed completely and can't be trusted. When there are poor people under socialism, that's proof they're lazy and the system can't be questioned. Double standards are fun.

That telling mistake man.

My. Fucking. Sides.

>>52490820
I am glad to be unaffected by terrorism. We will help you out by giving you more members of the religion of peace. It's a fair trade right? You get more members of the religion of peace as we destroy the Middle East.

>>52491049
Don't shoot them more, tax them more.

This isn't the 1800s.

MODS MODS

FUCK OFF TO >>>/MLPOL/

>>52491053
>maybe if I post some propaganda that my gender studies teacher used to deceive me I'll look knowledgeable on an anonymous image board

>>52491055
>Why can poor people afford luxuries beyond kings of a century ago?

Take the shittiest eastern bloc country under the soviets and their poor people had luxuries beyond kings a century earlier.

>>52491053
>The Armenian Genocide and Iraq-Iran War were caused by capitalism

That's stupid even by leftie standards.

>>52491093
>the shittiest example you can possibly think of is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

kek

>>52490971
No, it sounds like bullshit because endometriosis is typically treated with hormone therapy and surgical procedures short of a total hysterectomy is generally a pretty fast in and out procedure at an outpatient facility.

The real problem is that that, with all the talk of opiates, your girlfriend and you came across like pill heads trying to score. Any doctor would kick your ass to the back of the line for that.

>>52491092
I bet you wear a Fedora.

>>52491092
>>52491101
>Not making arguments

>>52491101
Tell me about the WMDs, George

>>52491093
Because they stole from capitalist systems. Read Red Horizon, the Soviets had a massive program for stealing shit from the West because their decrepit system couldn't produce anything new.

>>52491109

>The existence of shitty countries under any system means that system failed.

>Shitty capitalist countries exist.

>Therefore capitalism has failed.

>>52491088
>Tax them more
>They raise costs more to keep profits the same
>Everything is now more expensive for the average citizen

Good job Anon.

>>52491115
>marxist can't defend marxism without insulting everyone who disagrees with him
Downvotes to the left m'redditor

>>52491116
>He thinks a retarded propoganda poster is an argument

>>52491101
Well, the first one was. That was the Brits manipulating the middle east and selling to anyone who would mouth friendship to the british business interests in the region. Most of the middle east is fucked because of all the power/guns the brits gave them in the middle years of the Empire.

>>52491125

>Thinks "the west" invented everything

>Thinks capitalist countries never stole anything from anyone

>Thinks stealing things is wrong unless capitalism does it.

K.

>>52491130

Still waiting to see if you're accepted into ECON 101?

>>52491130
That's not how personal taxes work anon.

Go take some basic econ.

>>52491138
I'm not seeing you refutting it

I'm from Latin America and I think we owe Venezuela a debt of gratitude for being such a shining example of how economically inept and authoritarian our left wing populist parties really are. Having Venezuela as a cautionary tale has really done wonders for right wing parties in Latin America

the left honestly deserves it, they were far too willing to turn a blind eye to Chavez' abuses of executive power. Lula was publicly endorsing Maduro in 2016, way after he had already sent several leaders of the opposition to prison and postponed elections. Fuck them.

>>52491162
I'm not sure what "refutting" is, but your hilarious poster has been refuted several times already by multiple people in the thread.

Simply waving a magic wand and saying "every time a person dies it's because of Capitalism" is not a valid reason why socialism isn't evil.

>>52491162
They can't. The far right thinks insults and volume equals 'debate' and 'facts'.

>>52491162
Not seeing any evidence capitalism is to blame.

>>52490361
If the government isn't enacting socialist policies then it doesn't matter what they call themselves, does it? Otherwise you might as well say that democracy is bad because NKorea.

>>52491112
It's not bullshit. People wait a long time for OBGYN everywhere these days, the specialty kind of sucks when you end up making 2/3rds as much and paying twice as much for insurance.

Not to mention you get like zero respect.

That isn't really a socialism problem though. Any non-emergency OBGYN procedure is going to be a long wait, especially when infertility from endometriosis is typically reversible. You end up putting those cases behind more aggressively degenerative conditions.

>>52491188
Kek, all the left has are shrieks of "oppressor" and "racist". They can't even accept the obvious reality that people, on both individual and group levels, are not born and never will be equal.

>>52491187
>Simply waving a magic wand and saying "every time a person dies it's because of socialism" is not a valid reason why capitalismisn't evil.

>>52491195
The need for profit in a larger system drove many of those actions.

>>52491050
Yes. That's all the US did. You got it. You are clearly well educated and familiar with 20th century history.

>>52491223
>marxist sprints away with the goalposts screeching

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>>52491217

>people, on both individual and group levels, are not born and never will be equal.

>MUH SUPERIER WHITE JEANS, Y'ALL

>>52491223
>He's already admitting his shitty propoganda is making stuff up

Prove it, anon.

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>posters
>replies

>>52491261
>I have no arguments left, maybe if I call him names he will go away

>>52491269
Maybe if I put words in his mouth he will go away

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>>52488488
Monarchy/fascism is the best system overall, why try to focus on anti-marxism whan capitalism is the same unfair shit.

>Socialism
Short term solution for people who want constantly expanding empire and economy based on taking money from those who actually work and give it to people who don't work, like how 4-5 million people in South Africa pay for the taxes of about 50 million. Is a priori riddled with corruption.

>Capitalism
A system where those who don't work take money from those who do work to line their own pockets and to power trip. Is always riddled with corruption.

>Fascism
System which takes aspects from both idealogies but purges the corruption by basing everything around a meritocracy
Doesn't lie to people about it's intentions, I even allows those who refuse to read to misunderstand their intentions through freedom of speech but expands libel laws more than in muh free market.

>People don't want to associate themselves with fascism tho because of the genocide of the ruling capitalist class and ethnicity which didn't even need to happen if the Allies bothered to read Mein Kampf and realize that Hitler didn't want to kill the Jews unless they failed to expell them from Germany and the Allies refused to give them back danzig, which they did even after taking Danzig from them which the Allies took from Germany because "muh Treaty of Versailles you lost know we are going to divide up your nation and not expect extreme backlash ij a few years time XD"
ALL HAIL THE GOD EMPEROR

40k is the only game you need, son.

>>52491223
>the form of government you are proposing murdered 150 million people so we don't want it
>that wasn't true socialism
>yes it was
>well capitalism murdered more people
>no they didn't, that's ridiculous
>well then neither did socialism
>yes they did, they lined them up and murdered them by the hundreds of thousands until they were literally out of bullets and had to think of easier ways to exterminate mass numbers of people
>true socialism has never been tried

Every. Single. Time.

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why do people keep saying necromancy is evil?

Sure, every single known necromancer in history was a mass murderer with dreams of world conquest, but that doesn't mean it *always* has to turn out like that.

What about that one evil overlord who was actually an Evoker? See? Non-necromancers can be evil, too. Also good clerics use resurrection all the time and that's kinda like necromancy.

Can't you see you're buying into martial propaganda? They don't want to see us casters unleash our TRUE power.

>>52490948
Except for their extensive involvement in African and Middle Eastern affairs, but I'm sure you'll just blame that entire on the USA.

>>52490926
>be American
>gf gets into a car accident
>no insurance
>$15,000 dollar hospital bill, half her yearly salary
>go to billing department, "I can't afford this"
>get asked to submit most recent W-2 and a current pay stub
>bill gets knocked down to $1200 dollars and put on a $100 a month installment plan
>turns out something like 90% of all patients qualify for some form of payment reduction

>>52491268
Lol, they easily have a society better than any nigger country.

>>52491309
If only the NPC classes would rise up and give absolute power to this 20th level Bard then we'd finally live in a paradise on earth!

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>>52491053
>Capitalism Murders!
>Nazi Holocaust - 12,000,000

Wew lad. Tell me more about those National Socialists and how their capitalism killed everyone.

>Hurricane Katrina

Holy shit, my fucking sides.

>>52491299
>Capitalims kill millions but if socialism kills anyone is worse
>I'l going to count every natural death in every socialist country as a death sentence that came from kultur marx xirself

>>52491325

Lovingly provided to them by their urban, leftist, multicultural betters.

Not that they'd ever actually be grateful for it.

>>52491333
>gas chambers and gulags are natural causes now because I'm losing an argument

>>52491330
>he doesn't know Hitler was so capitalist the word privatization was invented because of him
>he doesn't know hitler persecuted leftists and uniniosts

>>52491347
To be fair if you march until you die that's pretty much natural and everyone knows that breathing in poison gas will naturally kill you, so I guess the screeching marxist is right

>>52491299
Not that guy, but at what point do you hold an ideology responsible for acts done by people or groups in it? Like, do you hold capitalism responsible for the atrocities orchestrated by companies like United Fruit?

>>52491347
>gas chambers and gulags
>Prisons in capitalist countries are completly fine
Hypocrite

>>52491350
>the national socialist german worker's party was capitalist
I love you, Marxist-kun.

>>52491299
Calling everything that isn't your brand of socialism capitalism then blaming malaria deaths on capitalism based around sheer bullshit semtanics doesn't mean people don't starve to death more under communism as a system alone

>>52491294
>40k
Shhh. The adults are talking, stupid as they may be.

>everything wrong with the world can be blamed on the ideology that opposes mine

The best part about sitting on the fence is that it gives me a good vantage point to piss on the rest of you.

>>52491364

well anon compared to those examples, yes, they absolutely are. let's pick our fights wisely, yes?

>>52491376
And for your next trick, an eloquent argument as to why the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a wonderful place to live.

>>52491154
>Thinks "the west" invented everything

They invented communism, at the very least.

>>52491362

Simple - if capitalism does it, then it was an atrocity committed by individuals with nothing to do with the system.

If socialism does it, then that's absolute proof the system is responsible and there's no such thing as criminal leadership.

>>52491362
>this evil banana company set up a puppet government with absolute power to brutally exploit the working class
Hmmm... a government that has seized the means of production is evil? Damn that really makes me think.

>>52491343
Leftists hate these people, want them dead, and have no problem saying so. Lefties are pure scum wherever they dwell.

>>52491376
>Privatizing public propert is socialism because I say so

>>52491390
>The school to prison pipeline is fine and the constant abuses in human rights are better

>>52491395
No thanks, I hate socialism.

>>52491379

Numerically, no, far more people starved under capitalism than communism. It's not even close.

>>52491407

The leftists who are literally keeping those people alive want them dead, despite those rednecks repeatedly voting for politicians who will rob them of the little dignity they have left. Right, those leftists want them dead, the ones keeping them alive. Top logic there buddy.

>>52491412
>School to prison pipeline

Nigs gonna nig, son.

>>52491400
How do you misinterpret "seize the means of production" that badly?

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>>52491412

>>52491412
>The school to prison pipleine...
Hood culture?

>>52491400
The puppet government didn't seize the means of production, though. In fact, the democratically elected government they overthrew was the one that was socialist.

>>52491427
Leftists produce nothing for these people, or for anyone for that matter. They exist to take, much like locust or nigs.

>>52491437
Which is presumably caused by those damn socialists?

>>52491427
>people starving is the same as people being starved
No wonder you're in favor of abortion, you literally cannot tell the difference between something dying and something being murdered.

>>52491268
>Superior white genes

Yes pretty much, the multi IQ thing is complete bullshit black people are just stupid. African and Abo.

Which is why a good setting would involve extermination of inferior inhabita-

OH WAIT ONE DOES PRAISE THE GOD EMPEROR

>>52491430
>>52491437
That is actually due the lack of public funding, capitalism build ghettos socialism destroys them and makes men out of nig

>>52491436
Hitler spowted a lot of things, I'm mesuring him by his actions.
Nazi germany was all propagandy and no theory

>>52491436
>He actually buys this meme
Have you considered that it's possible that hitler was crazy and either had no idea what he was talking about? It's the same with "libertarian" or """"""An""""""-Cap. They meant vastly different things beforehand.

>>52491466
>it wasn't true socialism

>>52491446

>This guy thinks red states pay more taxes

>Laughing FDR

>>52491448

Yes, people being starved by capitalism is the fault of capitalism. Unless you literally think "they're only being starved when it's socialism".

>>52491447
No, it's caused by an almost codified black disdain that's been passed down from generations that faced actual oppression and struggle, as well as a general lack of interest in bettering one's self because it's seen as "white" or "bougie" behavior.

>>52491294
And yet the most prominent examples of fascism were riddled with corruption, inefficiency, cronyism, nepotism, bribery, and utilized economic systems that demanded a constant influx of external capital and resources to maintain themselves.

>>52491446
>Welfare provider states overwhelmingly leftist
>Welfare taking states overwhelmingly red
I'm sure you're late to collect your food stamps, Cleetus.

>>52491464
>Capitalism builds ghettos
>He's never visited a socialist country

Top kek indeed. Nigs gonna nig because it's all they can do outside of the small tribes that are their natural habitat.

>>52491477
>State owns everything
>"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production"
Okay. Good job spouting that tired "not true x" meme.

>>52491511
>it wasn't true socialism

>>52491362
>>52491398

we have several examples of functional capitalist democracies that aren't dystopian megacorp nightmares complete with right wing death squads. We have no such example of socialism - by which I mean full-on 'let us seize the means of production and centralize all economic activity in the hands of the state' socialism. If you wish to redefine socialism as 'a market economy with a generous welfare state' then go ahead but that isn't really what is usually meant by the word and it's definitely not what Venezuela was trying to be.

>>52491380
>This will be the only counter argument

It just makes me more right. Free market a shit. Marxism a shit. Only way forward is fascism.

Sorry cupcake, one day you'll grow out of your shell.

>>52491479
>He doesn't know which states contain the percentages of nigs.

Funny how the most mouthy lefties never live anywhere close to actual masses of brown people.

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Report this thread. This trash belongs on /pol/. It's such clear bait, it's not even funny.

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>>52488488
Hi /pol/

Bye /pol/

>>52491506
>ghetto in capitalism appear out of thin air they do not form out of the lack of jobs, infrastucture or education

>>52491511
Collectivization = state

You basically just posted the literal definition of forming a state. It's not all sunshine an rainbows having this process either, kiddo, there are some parts of society you don't know about which do jobs no one else wants to do which you really really do not want to be socialized

>>52491430
>>52491437
>>52491446
Yes, good goyim - blacks are bad because of their culture, which as we know, is never controlled by Jews!

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>>52488488
>Venezuela
>Socialist
Toplel. Call me when the workers own the Venezuelan means of production. Until then, it's state capitalism.

>>52491486
>States with most blacks overwhelmingly take more welfare
>He thinks this is a coincidence
>He won't say anything about who actually takes it.

"SHEEEIT, I gotta go get me some dem welfares homey."

>>52491527

>Thinks that because cleetus the redneck lives within 1000 miles of a black person, cleetus doesn't have to take responsibility for being hopped up on heroin and flunking out of highschool.

>>52491546
>Nigs can be educated

100+ years of trying says that's bullshit.

>Yes, good goyim - blacks are bad because of their culture, which as we know, is never controlled by Jews!
There has to be sitcom potential with this idea.

>>52491533
>>52491540
>Talking about which form of fantasy government you want/ is superior
>/pol/

Why does /tg/ not like discussion of fantasy worlds and said world's basis in reality?

Seriously fuck off this is a huge part of debating fantasy works which gets into real world politics.

>>52491587
Oh, there is a lack of education, but it's not the schools' faults.

>>52491560
>it's not real socialism

>>52491520

>The functional social democratic states don't count, but the functional capitalist countries do.

Double standards - the best standards of all.

>>52491343
>working class
>limited, if any, government assistance
>frugal lifestyle
>primary non-essential is the daughter's pageantry which can pay for itself through prizes

I get it, they're fat, ugly, and inarticulate therefore they're not people.

>>52491520
No, you're thinking of communism. Socialism is really a more loose term for far-left economics (without going full state ownership). Most modern socialist parties make a point of distinguishing themselves from actual communist parties.

For comparison, most american liberals would be considered far right economically here in Norway (but would at the same time be considered kinda loopy for their obsession with race and gender).

>>52491578
>He won't say who's actually drug addicted
>He won't compare racial disparities in drop-outs
>Unless of course it's because whitey be raciss n' sheeit

>>52491587
>>52491599
Schools in america are shit in general

>>52491560
>Elected officials represent the people
>Elected officials own the means of production then democratize them for the people
>This isn't socialist enough

It's almost like true socialism will never realistically happen because it's a quixotic dream

>>52491609
>that isn't real socialism

>>52491606

>Supported by welfare programs for low income

>Working in rural areas that require vastly more resources to support than urban centres

>Free primary and secondary education, medicaid, massive government assistance

>TOTALLY SELF MADE PEOPLE GUIZE

>>52491614

>When white people use drugs it's not their fault

>When black people use drugs it's totally their fault

>What double standards?

>>52491606
No, it's because they're inarticulate and white. It ain't like nigs can speak worth a damn.

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>>52491606
>limited, if any, government assistance

>>52491483
>meanwhile fritz weissmann still butthurt that jews are closer to attaining autarky through globalized market and culture rather than conquest

>>52491609
Norway is the most fake succesful country in the world.

The only good thing about Norway I'd black metal are fjords. You used to be a literal proto-communist country based around oil ffs. You still are.

>>52491636
>When white people use drugs they're overwhelmingly like to be leftists
>Or faggots

What is correlation?

>>52491618
All compulsory schooling is horrible. They should only be focused on a few things

>Can you read

That's it. Other than improving literacy rates they are probably worse for the general population.

>>52491669
It's almost as if marxism attracts the self destructive. I wonder why that is?

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>>52491595
no, /tg/ is fine with worldbuilding discussion, /tg/ doesn't like /pol/ bullshit

Everything here, is /pol/ bullshit. See the difference?

>>52491603
>>52491609

aren't we merely arguing semantics? Venezuela was definitely leaning more towards the 'we are seizing your factory, comrade, get in line for your daily ration' side of things and has been doing so for over a decade. Can we call that the Retarded Model and agree that it is indeed inherently retarded and not merely the fault of corrupt or inept leadership?

>All compulsory schooling is horrible. They should only be focused on a few things

More gender studies and identity politics?

>>52491676
Without public schooling america will be like a country in africa
School dosn't only teach basic knowledge but how to behave socially and how to think critically

>>52491687
>maybe if I spam this thread that'll prove that it's wrong to criticize socialism

>>52488488
>Is there any RPG that accurately represents the horrors of socialism?
>I'd especially like to focus on the modern horrors of socialism, like what is happening right now in my country, Venezuela.

Paranoia.

>>52491704
>Implying the black parts of America aren't already like Africa

>>52491704
Really? So the United States was like a country in Africa before public schools?

Damn, that really made me think!

>Is there any RPG that accurately represents the horrors of socialism?

KULT

>>52491687
This is literally worldbuilding mixed in with politics arguing which side in any fantasy piece they would side with and why.

Fantasy has always drawn from reality, I know you Tolkien fags like to draw on the fact that "hurr he didn't make anything based on real concept and avoided allegory at all costs" but if you actually think that you're a moron who needs to read more Jung.

Politics is everywhere which is why we usually exclude it to /pol/ so we can focus on the board's central interest. This does not mean all political discussion has nothing to do with /tg/

I for one in 40k would want to serve under the Grey Knights because they represent order. I also have fascist/monarchist sympathies.

Get it?

>>52491741
>This is literally worldbuilding
no it fucking isn't

>>52491723
Because of the lack of public investment and good jobs
Don't pretend poor whites don't suffer in the south too

>>52491726
Its more complicated than that

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>>52491602
It's not, though. Communism has a set definition: An economic system in which the workers own the means of production. If something meets that definition, it communist. If it doesn't, it's not.

>>52491627
It works fine, and has been tried with various degrees of success. This, however, is censored by the media.

>>52491754
>wait if you move the goalposts that wasn't a goal

>>52491774
>I'm going to shout at him, that'll show him

>>52491704
Except before we had compulsory schooling we were doing just fine even with low literacy rates.

Out schools are indoctrination centers that teaches people how our government wants them to think, leads them to drug addiction because lol school culutr weed lmao, and selectively forces people to partake is something half of them resent, which does nothing but make them hate everything.

It would be better to send most kids to trade school than to turn and teach hem things they only ever cheat on.

>>52491772
It's not real socialism

>>52491754
It's because greedy fucks bribe the government not to notice them importing millions of slave laborers to displace the native working class.

>>52491784
>I'm going to accuse some words on a screen of shouting maybe that will help me move these goalposts so that I'm not wrong anymore

>>52491656
>it's all because of the oil
Actually, most of the oil money goes into a fund, so the country has something to fall back on if times turn bad. We were decently well off even before we hit oil, mainly from having the largest shipping fleet in the world during WW2.

>>52491689
That's indeed a retarded model, no arguing there. The point is, there are plenty of socialist parties out there with much more sensible models. Of course, I realize I'm basically going "not all socialists" here, and people who don't follow either ideology aren't going to bother making the distinction, but hey. We're here, might as well argue about it.

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>>52491754
>Its more complicated than that

Its not at all though. It just brainwashed stupid people into thinking they're educated then forcing people to go through unnecessary bs to not learn whatever they need for their careers.

Whenever a plumber needs to learn advanced trig they should learn I from other plumbers.

Public schooling was a mistake from th beginning. It should only exist to make sure people are literate.

>>52491787
>>52491832
Well shit, nice I'm not american

>>52491803
And who are those greedy fucks? capitalists who profit out of the working american
Capitalists want a white genocide bauce whites know too well capitalism isn't good for them

>moving goalposts

All goalposts shall henceforth be required to have wheels for easier movement.

Solved.

>>52491837
Fuckin' commies with your god damn social justice laws

>>52491814
>Decently well off
>He actually believes this

The reason why you have your over priced be is because of oil as it's an insurance measure. That doesn't mean the funds aren't being used in your economy that means the funds are being used to prop up your economy still, you realize that right? It reduces risk in your economy and allows for less opportunity costs?

>>52488584
>Is there no RPG about foghting back against evil government soldiers that rape your family and steal your money?

It is really more of a "DM writes a campaign" type thing.
Use something open like Ops and Tactics

>>52491853
Actually was sarcasm.

But whatever floats your cisgender boat.

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>>52491788
If you want to look at Socialism, look at Yugoslavia. They did amazing stuff; unified one of the most unstable regions in the world, eliminated homelessness, had the best healthcare system to have EVER existed, made the best version of the SKS, beat back the Nazis, beat back the Soviets, and only fell after 50 straight years of CIA AND KGB subversion.
Plus, their president was hot.

>>52491836
Marxists also want a white genocide through 3rd worldism you realize?

>>52491053
>WW1
>WW2
>The Holocaust
>Pinochet

Ah yes, I love how capitalism was the direct cause of all those events. And that hurricane, fastest I've ever seen a corporation create one.

>>52490761
Why are the insurance company death panels so much more moral?

Or do you really think there isn't a cost/benefit analysis being done when private insurance (and a desire to pay for as little as possible to please the shareholders) is involved?

>>52491882
>and just ignore that genocide though

>>52491896
>We shouldn't use slave labor in 3rd world factories
>We should round up white people and execute them
That doesn't add up.

>>52491882
Titos also was an international chess grandmaster

>>52491896
Those are liberals who misread Adorno and Mao
For Mao thirworldism ment the poor countries joining together
And Adorno actually wanted to preservate the traditional family because its an example of micro socialism, capitalism is anti family becausa families share

>>52491882
>Unified
>Yugoslavia
>Beat back the Nazis
>Stopped KGB subversion

Surely this is a shitpost?

>>52491861
Some of it, sure. Obviously it's been a great boon. Point is, even without the oil we wouldn't be a poor country. Admittedly, probably a pretty forgettable one.

>>52491836
Marxists want a white genocide because whites are the evul oppressors of the sacred brown people, because otherwise how could we possibly explain that their countries are shit no matter what they try.

>>52491907
>the horrific failure of my system is okay because I claim that your system is doing the same thing in secret

Wow that really makes me think

>>52490815
>The good news is if you make it to 65, you get socialist health care for the rest of your life.

And the second that they try to extend coverage for the young folk you make sure to go out and throw tantrum because they don't deserve jack shit, it should all belong to you.

>>52491917
Lel, what genocide? Holodomor? That was the Soviets.

>>52491907
Because there's nothing forcing you to stay with one insurance company, so their "death panels" don't mean anything. If you don't like them, you can go to another competing insurance company. This forces them to provide better service than any government run system. Just look at the number of people who come to the US for medical care from countries with supposedly great socialized medicine.

>>52491940
lol

Don't squabble - there's enough genocide for everyone.

>>52491924
Adorno a shit and the Frankfurt school was a shit as well. Their solution for everything were blaming a Boogeyman.

Sure they could diagnose problems within capitalism like Marx did .

3rd worldism is literally built around white genocide whether intentionally or unintentionally through extreme population growth. It's a Marxist neo-colonialism and it would lead to nothing but racial tensions and mas famine as always communists never understand the world in the terms of the finite or set parameters. Malthus is still right despite what you might day.

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>>52491937
> And the second that they try to extend coverage for the young folk you make sure to go out and throw tantrum because they don't deserve jack shit

> implying millennials deserve jack shit

>>52491932
>>52491983
I will expand into this
After Marx, Lenin descrived imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism, in imperialism whole countried dedicate to something, most of africa and latin america is agricultural, asia is industrial and america and europe mostly offices
Mao tought agricultural and industrial countries should join together and so make capitalism crash and liberating western office workers.

Years later liberals with race fetishes misread Mao and act like idiots on tumblr because reading theory is too hard for them

Sorry, OP. You cannot possibly represent something so absurd. There's isn't enough suspension of disbelief available to reject the truth that communism will win.

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>>52492033
>Communism will win
>He doesn't know about the Cold War

>>52491927
No you wouldn't. Norwegians are Norwegians so you'd be more or less fine with anything with enough drive. Then again any high IQ and homogenous country could.


It's that the oil is still a huge reason fo the success of socialism there, the system itself is horrible but the people are great. Your prisons for example are some of the worse in the world for suicides. At least the newer prisons.

>>52492062
rise up pupper

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>>52492033
>>52492062

>>52492088
>In the Soviet Union they had empty shelves
>In America we have empty stomachs

>In American Universities we have empty heads

>>52492112
>In the Soviet Union they had empty shelves
>In America the poor are landwhales

Fixed it for you

>>52492015
>Let's reform agrarian performance
>Put random but of metal metal into any locally made furnace and we'll increase iron production for industrialization!
>Let's kill all the sparrows!
>All the iron is the lowest grade of iron possible, can't be made into anything and needs to be purified
>Focuses too much on industrial reform, agrarian output will take a hit
>Don't worry, we killed all those sparrows what could go wro- sparrows were part of th ecosystem which kept locusts at bay
>50 million people starve to death because of swarms of locust and economic infractions against agrarian labor
>Anyone who hates the system is greated with a struggle sessions
>Most people kill themselves instead

What a great theory

>>52491412
>This other system has problems.
>Therefore mine is beyond reproach!

I have no strong feelings about socialism, but fuck you and everyone else who are too stupid to understand rational debate.

>>52492146
>In America the poor are landwhales

Not because of the excess of food, just the lower quality of the food itself. Some people still go hungry here btw it's that no one starves.

>>52492168
I know about Mao's theories but I'm not defending them

>>52492170
I'm sorry anon but one these threads the quality will always go down

>>52492112
>In the Soviet Union they had empty places where your mother and father used to be before you ratted them out for wrongthink they didn't do so you could be a good little boy and they got executed

>In America that person grew up and had a kid named Bernie Sanders who is trying to do the same thing all over again

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>>52492144
This is true. It happened during the Cold War, when we censored Marxist literature and only allowed neo-liberal propaganda.

>>52492195
>no one starves
>unlike in socialist Venezuela
Hmmm... that really makes me think

>>52492222
>Venezuela
>Socialist
>Workers still don't own the means of production
Good meme.

>>52492218
So we get the squalid worst of both failed ideologies.

>>52491882
While Tito did have that rugged masculinity thing going for him, Yugoslavia didn't fall because of CIA or KGB subversion; it fell apart because no one else was able to balance and suppress the competing ethno-nationalist demands.

>>52492244
>it's not real socialism

>>52492146
>>52492195
Apparently 4,000 people die every year to starvation in the USA. It accounts for about 1 in every 200,000 deaths. This is better than Venezuela (1 in every 75,000) but worse than Cuba (1 in every 400,000).

>>52492280
Which lead to genocide, as all socialist regimes eventually do

>>52492287
>It's socialism if I say it is! Screw what Marx said!
Good meme.

>>52492298
>people are risking death on trash boats to escape cuba
>but their reported starvation statistics are probably legit

>>52492304
Yeah, without the benevolent protection of socialism, humans tend to fall into barbarism.

>>52492222
I hate socialism but venezuela isn't real socialism. Real socialism is an impossible goal but Venezuela still had a representative democracy and partial private ownership.

If you want to tell socialists off tell them real socialism will never be tried. You have to work within their own framework to get then to understand why its a stupid theory.

>>52492298
Hard to starve to death when Castro feeds you a bullet for wrongthink