>Giants have much larger brains than human beings >Are

>Humans have much smaller brains than whale shark
>Are still smarter

Explain this

Whales also have far larger brains than humans, but are stupider than humans.

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>>52417764
>Whales have much larger brains than human beings
>Are much dumber

Stop posting bait threads

Whales have larger brains than humans. It's a Brain-to-body mass ratio thing.

>>52417764
>Neuron density
>Speed of connection
>Muh soul

Whales
Elephants
Dolphins

Much larger and heavier brains than humans. Not at our intellectual capacity.

Pls /tg/ you're better than this.

>>52417764
Big organ does not mean great organ. Complex organ does.

The welsh have much larger brains than humans

>>52417764
Giant education systems are notoriously underfunded.

>>52417764
>Einstein had a bigger brain on average and was thus smarter
>Was a dirty thieving kike who took credit for other people's work because he was able to see an Eclipse to prove three other people's theories.

Nigger, fuck you.

Are whales /tg/'s home niggas or something?

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>>52417835
>Einstein had a bigger brain on average

The fuck does that mean? Did his brain change size regularly, so that they could only measure its volume as an average? What was the variance and the standard deviation?

>>52417892
Honestly, it's a myth, shit doesn't matter, they talk abou tit like it's significant, Eienstein was basically a big American Age of propaganda Jew like how Freud was propped up back in the day.

>>52417832
Could Human taxes go towards improving their lot, or are the Avianfolks unwilling to give up their loopholes to help reduce attacks on them?

>>52417936
>Standard deviations are a myth

Nigger what

How the hell are you going to demonstrate statistical significance if you can't even measure squared differences in the means

This board is getting dumber by the hour

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>>52417764
Inbreeding due to low numbers
Muscular-skeletal structure of the skull similar to apes, small cranial cavity for brain but large jaw muscles wrap around the skull.

>>52417764
Physics. Not enough oxygen. A massive oxygen-starved brain is functionally useless.

>>52418046

Was gonna call bullshit on that pic, but I looked it up... what the fuck happened to gorillas in this reality?

>>52418353
Look up most ape/monkey skulls

Pretty much always the same
That crest is there to anchor the jaw muscle that wraps itself around the cranial cavity providing MASSIVE jaw strength

>>52418449

I know a lot of animals have that ridge (some dog breeds have it, too), but I just had no idea how fucking massive it could get on gorillas. Makes me think about how we always misinterpret fossilised skulls by just putting some skin straight over it, when they could be entirely different.

>>52417764
Dinosaurs

>hard-science fantasy
y tho

>>52417764
have you met a whale

>>52417996
He's talking about the Einstein's brain part you autist, not the standard deviation part.

>>52417936
Where is the proof?

>>52417790
>>52417796
>>52417801
That's what they want you to believe

>>52417796
It never hit me before how weird looking brains are.

>>52417764
In my setting, giants are just 10-15ft tall mountain folk who are just as smart as humans.

Encephalization quotient

>>52417832
Sort of did that once. Giants were dumb brutes for ages because they were just that much stronger than other races they didn't needed smart. But once other races started to get half decent civilisations, giants started getting slaughtered by superior tactics and war machines. Ultimately some of them realised they need to start thinking and allied with dwarves.
They still aren't geniuses but they are average.

>>52417936
>he wasn't an American while working on his famous theorems
>literally the only major award he won after taking American citizenship was the "Person of the Century" award from Time, more than 40 years after he died
>Germany is America now.

>>52421443
Now imagine the whole of you is basically encased in that weird blob of fat.

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>>52421698
>Germany is America now
Germania is just a self destructive vassal state of the Republic.

>>52417764
Incorrect.

Giants have much larger HEADS than humans.

So did dinosaurs, and they had brains the size of a walnut.

>>52421443
Well, nobody likes looking at themselves all that much. Especially the Brain.

If you REALLY think about it, all our bodies are is clothing for our brain.

>>52421871
>Not Empire
Fucking Republicans constantly rewriting history in favor of "muh glorious republic".

The republic was a corrupt bundle of patrician loving stick bundles wrapped in corruption and abuse of power.

Ave Caesar!

>>52421393
Don't make me sick the Orca's on your ass, whale anon.

>>52421393
This, wake up people, the whales are pulling the fucking strings

>>52422863
Because continuous assassinations by praetorians and family members was soooo much better.

Cicero and Cato, not Caesar and Catiline.

Praise Mars.

>>52421708
>>52422406
You guys are just making it worse.

Brain to body mass ratio. The larger the body the more brain power is devoted to sensory input and processing. Some whales have a breain propotionatly larger than a humans by a significant margin but brain scans have show that a much larger portion of their brain is devoted to procesing auditory input. So larger body needs a larger brain just to jandel the body. Most whales are social animals capable of comunication as well as having to proces input necessary for echolocation so many have brains similarly sized if not larger in proportion to human body size. Now a giant is larger than a man so if for example. Asuming it had the same neural density and conectivity as a human it would need to have a brain exactly prapotional to the extra body mass as compaired to a human. Even a five or ten percent diferance could have a massive effect on intellect.

>>52421024
Why the fuck would I care what he's talking about? He doesn't understand statistical analysis, his opinions can be safely disregarded.

>>52417764
iodine deficiency

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How would I use Giants in a Space Opera game?

Biologist here. It's a matter of surface area (wrinkles) on the brain. So they should have smoother brains.

>>52425129
Macross?

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>>52425610
I wanted to run something based on it, but there isn't too much about the Zentraedi out there to use that's really specific to being Giants, ya know?

I did like the Vajra, since they did do some work to develop them and friendly, giant Insects are limited to them and the Humanx books. At the same time, they are also extremely powerful.

>>52417764
you aren't looking at overall brain size! you need to look at the brain-to-body ratio, how much of their body is brain mass. In that regards in humans 2.75% of our overall body-mass is just our brains. while conversely we believe that Neanderthals had 1.98% of their body mass comprised of their brains, and in Australopithecus Aferensis is believed to have a mere 1.2% of their bodymass made-up of brain. Obviously this isn't a perfect system of measuring intelligence, and does have it's holes and oddities, but its something.

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>>52417764
Giants may well be as smart as humans, but what is often depicted is they live in small family groups or are entirely solitary.

We're only intelligent because we live in large groups and can convey information easily, while Gruk the lone giant has his own wit and no society to back it up.

>>52417805
What if they are at our intellectual equals or more but they simply lack hands to create tools and move them further forward? Thinking especially of Dolphins and Orcas.

>>52417764
Storm, stone, and cloud giants are all smarter than your average spoon ear.

Frost and fire giants certainly aren't less intelligent than humans either.

Pretty much unless you're talking about hill giants, or some shitry rpg that no one plays, this thread is dildos.

>>52427475
You're thinking of octopodes.

>>52417764
Their brains take longer to get going in the morning because there's more brain to wake up, if only really starts chugging along when it's bedtime

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>>52425610

>>52425129
They fling their young into space, so they can colonize other planets.

>>52417764
Humans have more neurones which is the more important thing than pure brain mass
Giants would have unmyleinated neurones making nervous signals pass through slower

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>>52428205
>The REAL Tactical Espionage Action

>A weapon to surpass Metal Gear

>>52427475
There have been plenty of studies on animal intelligence. This issue is less the over all size of the brain but rather the size and complexity of key structures as well as resource allocation. For example while elephants have quite large and fairly complex brains a huge part of it is devoted the their somatosensory cortex, which their trunk uses most of since it has so many fine muscles that have to be controlled as well as neural inputs to process. Humans on the other hand have a disgustingly large and complex frontal lobe wit ha significant portion of the being prefrontal cortex. Their are only a very few plausible suspects for what you are suggesting actually being the case, dolphins being the most notable.

>>52421443
It looks a bit like a nut.

>>52417764
Why do people think brain size has anything to do with intellect?

>>52424402
>understand statistical analysis
And you don't have fucking reading comprehension.

>>52417815
>Big organ does not mean great organ.
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

>>52425776
For one thing, human brains have been slowly shrinking for millennia, but we're getting smarter on average.

But yes, it's a matter of ratio. For a vertebrate, you need a large brain to control a larger body.

Bigger brain = more time for impulses to go around.

What matters isn't how big your brain is. What matters is how many connections your brain has.

This is why a bird is smarter than a mammal with similar sized brains. The bird has evolved to be light-weight, so a bird has more connections in its brain per cm3 than a mammal.

>>52417790
>>52417796

What constitutes as "smarter" here? Elephants have greater long term memory than people, and Chimps have short term memory greatly exceeding ours, does that make them "smarter" than us?

It should also be noted that even animals like Chimps that are "smart" are still beaten by animals like Hyenas when it comes to teamwork.

And of course there's Sauropod brains. tl;dr it's about the size of certain parts of the brain most of the time.

>>52435571
We have been to the moon, Anon

Don't be a dipshit

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I believe the general trend that decides intelligence within animals is the brain's size ratio compared with the body that holds it. 'Smart' animals tend to house brains much larger than other similar animals of about the same size (eg a crow and annother non corvid bird of the same size).

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>>52435649
Hey now

The correlation of parts of the brain is why we've been the moon and why are no whales on the moon

Also doesn't matter how smart something is if it cant manipulate the world around it. Pretty sure All Tomorrows mentioned this.

>>52435734
The scale in this graph is rally really messing with my ability to parse what it's trying to share.

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>>52435796
file related.

>>52428934
Because if you all you know about two different brains were their sizes, you would be correct to say that the larger one is more likely to be more intelligent.

>>52418353
They eat tough-ass uncooked jungle veggies and roots, so they need huge bones to anchor their huge jaw muscles to.

>>52428777
Hence why people say there is something wrong with your nut, and you might just be nuts and etc.

>>52435734
the scaling makes it fucking impossible to make a good comparison

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>>52417764
>Ravens have much smaller brains than humans
>Are probably better than most of this thread at simple logic puzzles.

Explain this

A lot of people have already hit the nail on the head, it's not just mass, but complexity. To give you an idea of how important complexity is, consider the fact that neanderthals had larger brains than modern day humans.

>>52438505
That's a crow, anon.

Also,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz7WKiC4SpY

>>52425129
REALLY BIG SPACE SHIPS

>>52417764
Do they have significantly larger brains?
Anyway, intelligence seems more correlated with amount of folds than size and larger creatures tend to not be able to afford the calories to support a high-power brain since they need to focus on just trying to eat enough to maintain their large bodies.

>>52425129
Giant men floating through space who always are tying to find the party

>>52435571
Puzzle solving and capacity for abstraction is the only worthwhile metric for intelligence.

>>52439518
>>52435571

https://today.duke.edu/2009/09/hyenas.html

>>52439518
Ok mister "I didn't try in school but if I didn't I would get really good grades"

>>52440808
Hey, I won't deny conscientiousness as a necessity for success. But it's not a measure of intellect. More wisdom than anything.

>>52428557
I love the scenes where Macross is silly. I wish they would have played up the parody angle more. Fokker is absolutely hilarious when taken in context of Sleggar Law.

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>>52421708

>>52440880
That's completely subjective

>>52417764
It's all about neuron density you daft bastard

>>52425129
Zentradi

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>>52417764
>all giants are hill giants
Stop.

>>52417764

>Depends on the setting
>Dependsonthesetting
>Depesthestin
>Dpstn

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>>52417764
Dumb giants, like DnD's hill giants are a redundancy over ogre's and trolls.
Giants should be humans but more exeggarated, like DnD's Empyreans.
Somewhere at the midpoint between mortal and divine, they build and create stuff scarcely comprehensible by humans. Castles in the clouds, ships the size of islands that can be folded up and put in their back pocket, weapons with great and terrible magic.
So no, they're not dumber, in fact, they're a great deal more intelligent than the mortal races. They're just not fucking and thus are slowly going extinct.

>>52444007
I've always liked the little mythological tidbit that a giant 10 times the size of a man can do work with the speed, strength, and skill of 10 men, not just things like lifting heavy rocks but also but also stuff like if said giant decided to be a jewelry they could do fine detail with the skill of ten men, and likewise a giant 50 times would be the equivalent of 50 men

Also
>Pic
More giants like that please

>>52428972
I was able to deduce from your post that you're a cuck, so clearly I'm doing something right

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>>52444144
Something to consider is that giants are too big to make sense biologically. They almost necessarily need to be partly incorporeal and fey.

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>>52444374
That, or just actually gods.
If you were a god taking corporeal form to walk the earth, wouldn't you be big and intimidating too?

>>52435734
The Tree shrew brain a counts for 10% of its body. I think it's about how many neurons you have.

>>52444388
>If you were a god taking corporeal form to walk the earth, wouldn't you be big and intimidating too?
I'd be average looking and inconspicuous to pass judgment on my subjects.
Nothing worse than a hypocrite.

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>>52444433
Would you be an ant to see how they treat creatures as much below them as they are below you?

>>52444433
>I'd be average looking and inconspicuous to pass judgment on my subjects.
If you just wanted to observe them, then that's the best way, yes. But if you need to give commands, best take a form that says "I'm your god so you better listen to what I say."

>>52444374
>giants are too big to make sense biologically.
>In settings with dragons and other monsters
Unless it's really low fantasy, why is this ever a consideration?

>>52444144
>>52444007
>>52444374
>>52444388
Another thing D&D (and most other fantasy settings) miss that I like about giants is that going by myths, they tend to hail from "giant land", not unlike the fae, where the rules are different and you can find giant and blatantly magical plants and animals all around

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>>52417764
Brain power is about brain-to-body proportion; how much of it is dedicated to running the brain vs. running the body. Generally, as depicted in your image, their bodies are proportionately large for their heads when compared to an average human, in which case the would be markedly dumber on average.
Additionally "head," size does not necessarily relate proportionally to brain size.

>>52417764
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Fq2huhvEI

>>52417764
Most of their brain mass is used up nullifying the square-cube law through sheer psychic force of will.

>>52417764
Who says they have larger brains?
Show me a book that describes giant brains.
Also, many D&D giant types aren't dumb anyway.

>>52435649
And there's nothing there. If a herd of animals spent all of it's energy time and resources trying to migrate to a shitty place with literally nothing to offer we would call them stupid.

Traveling to the moon was dumb. There's nothing there to eat or fuck.

>>52447511
Step one in setting up asteroid/space based mining
Many, MANY patents and technologies applicable to more than just space travel which are currently estimated to have had a roughly 100 fold return on investment over the years
Proof of concept for round trip space travel
Generating the necessary knowledge and skills for future projects

That's like saying learning how to navigate the ocean when you're outside of the view of land is dumb, there's nothing there
On it's own yes, but when used along side other fields of knowledge has a MASSIVE amount of applications

>>52417835
Nah bro, fuck you.

>>52438716
>alien capitol ship approaches you
>after a friendly greeting you're allowed to board
>when you step inside you realize its a very small craft with a crew of no more than 15, who are each no less than 15' tall
>capitol ship was actually just a small scout ship

>>52446670
dragons are magic too

>>52417764
brain to bodymass ratio.

brain size does not matter, all that matters is connection between neurons

>>52417796
holy shit this same exact image was shown at a lecture for psychology I had two years ago

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>>52447167
Cloud giants have this a tiny bit, because they have castles with huge things everywhere that can form the backdrop of an adventure.
No hiking a great wide road between the redwood trees though, or hitching a ride on the back of a giant goose.

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>>52448551
What would giantland be like /tg/?
Are there normal sized races there, just at a lower part of the foodchain than normal? Are they numerous?
How do the giants live? Do they have homes? Are the homes the same as human homes, or are they sprawling and lonely castles?
What kind of wildlife is found in the giantlands? Geese that lay golden eggs. Talking foxes. Diminutive creatures that eat stuff not usually seen as a food source by other organic creatures.

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>>52448363
If they're only three times as tall I don't see that misconception appearing.
Now what if they're kaiju sized.

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>>52448683
You don't want too many giants bustling around in one place.
Just some giant-sized rooms to hike across before the tenant returns.

>>52417764
>what is mass body ratio

Giants have always denoted to ne an older age. Giant things are the last remnants of a past age. Megalithic structures are a thing from a previous civilization. Giant animals were once quite real long ago. I think what was once a Giant Land is now the world today. The Giants of the world are the last of their kind, and there are a few ruins of their civilization, many of which have been adopted by the smaller races as idols of gods and demons.

>>52452652
I think that's a lost opportunity.
You can get up to some real jotunheim stuff if you want.

>>52452871
Giants matter because of their scale. They aren't brutish like ogres. Their thing is that they're big. That means there needs to be small things to be big with.

I can see the novelty of a giant castle in the clouds and adventuring in it as little people like in Little Nemo. I don't think that holds up to a whole land though, the novelty will get old quick.

I'm suddenly reminded of the Dr. SMOOV video about the Dinobots

Poor educational system.

>>52438423
I remember a test where scientists gave people a gorilla diet.

Turns out, there aren't enough hours in the day to fuel a human brain on a gorilla diet.

We humans just cannot survive without cooked/baked food.

>>52417764
>elephants have bigger brains than humans
>are dumber
>whales have bigger brains than humans
>are dumber
Explain this

>>52447167
Huh, considering I've not really given much thought to giants in my setting I think I'm going to use this.

> bump up giants a few size catagories for maximum giantness
> make them cousins of fairies and fey in general
> make them to ogres and trolls what Tolkien elves were to middle earth humans
> give them and their homeland a general coating of mildly menacing fairytale whimsy

Yes I can roll with this.

>>52447167
>>52453459
>Giants ARE fairies
>The portals between faeland and the human world sometimes messes up scale

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>>52453063
But wat about all the grimm fairy tale stuff? Cats in boots, seven league boots, skyward beanstalks, that's all perfect for a land ruled by giants. You need abit ofa border to signify the tonal shift away from aynwyn the elven lord gathering his troops of flero for the battle at mount grumsk for the fate of the crystal of zenok.
Plus, it doesn't all have to be our worldbur scaled up, itjust has to be wild and chaotic, a realm not under protection from the gods.

>>52453553
>Cats in boots, seven league boots
Magic items/artifacts from the age of Giants.

>Skyward beanstalks
Can still exist and grow up to those Giant castles in the clouds.

Both of those were extraordinary because it was in a normal world. If it were a world of Giants, that would just be a pair of boots and a beanstalk.

The rest of your post I don't see how it's relevant to a Land of Giants, but more just the world in the wilderness. The places beyond in the far lands and the kingdoms of other.

>>52447511
>There's nothing there to eat or fuck.
...yet~

Larger brains can actually hinder intelligence if the goal is to interconnect parts to create a more complex thinking organ. A common test is to see if animals recognize themselves in a mirror, a test that chimpanzees fail but ants pass. Are ants smarter than a chimp? Probably not, but in terms of what the brain/ganglia power is going to the ant has invested more in recognition.

AS someone mentioned already, statistically our brains shrink, our guts expand (as in more digestive tract, not talking about being a fatty) but we only see increases in intelligence. Theories include that smaller brains make us more docile which follows the self-domestication idea, and that smaller size but greater complexity is superior in efficiency in the same way that a microchip is better than a room full of vacuum tubes.

However, on the increase of intelligence, there is evidence to suggest its actually a conditioning of theoretical thinking rather than raw increases in intellect. Simply put, people 100 years ago spent far less time imagining what could happen and more time analyzing their reality for patterns. Explaining why some older folks seem wise for disregarding foolish hypotheticals while making them seem foolish for disregarding wise ones.

I assume this conditioning only applies to the masses, while mathematicians and others who had this skill, are no worse off for being in the past since plenty of their work is still applicable.

>>52453635
I get ya bruh, but I think you're being a little down, ya dig?

>>52453553
I think the other dude/tte has a point, but I do like what you mentioned at the end. Instead of mapping out Giant Land, make some areas instead. When the players don't know what they're going to get, it'll really appear magical, even if all you did was mix basic things around, like finding yourself in a tiny rodent!Person village in a hole in the wall.

>>52444178
Ah, you're a /pol/ack.
Explains your intelligence.

>>52417788
>hasnt partook of sick ass whale shark astral plane psychic math
>doesnt know what a splugnnnn is cant
>cant use crushing ocean deapths to catalyse interplanetery portals

sure buddy, whatever makes you feel better