>Elves >Suposedly long-lived >Supposedly intelligent

>>52409655
Usually extremely low-population and slow breeding, resulting in a serious weakness to any sort of attrition. Sure, the Humans might lose 50 soldiers for every Elf they kill, but not only do the Humans have way more backups they'll replenish their losses in a fifth of the time also.

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>>52409655
Oh right, forgot one
>Have supposedly great magic

>Still SOMEHOW lose to non-magical humans and orcs
Are elves the most inept race in fantasy?

Same reason why the chinese did not progress after a few centuries without external influence.
They thought they have developed the highest standard of living and espeacially "morals".

Also vegans:
Small brains and low test.
coupled with leftism leads to failure.
They are basicaly retarded inbreds.

Long livespans or percieved immortality add to that effect.

>>52409704
And the candle that burns twice as long is only half as bright.

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>>52409655
>Lose to humans with sharpened sticks and orcs with sharpened rocks all the time

Depends on so many settings that this thread is completely meaningless.

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>>52409704
>Elves are vegan SJWs
Never thought of it like that.

This now will be canon in all my settings.

>>52409704
>Also vegans
Aside from that one horrible DnD book on elves and that other horrible fantasy-series, how many elves out there are all vegans?

>>52410051
While not strictly vegans or even vegetarians, elves limit meat-eating to bare minimum in most D&D settings and books at least since 3.0
And while I generally dislike D&D elves this idea I actually do enjoy

>>52409655

sub 89 IQ

>>52409887
>Orangutan comes from Malay for "people of the forest."
>Orangutans are the real life elves

>>52409704
This. You could probably adapt a lot of elf history from China's historical trends:

>Successfully unified country, for better and worse
>Borders are too large to police properly, elves can only rely on small patrols, dense forests, and enchanted wildlife for so long
>Traders come far and wide to clamor for elf-made goods/tech/magic, life is good
>Believe that everything beyond the borders is horseshit, and that elf way is best way so nothing ever needs to change
>Tech and magic advancement stagnates, widespread corruption and/or long-lived nobles and government make things worse
>Refuse to adopt any advancements from beyond their borders, and/or import addictive or destructive substances that fuck them up
>By the time the elves realize the rest of the world can stand toe to toe with them (maybe due in part to rampant trading), it's far too late

>>52409704
>Elves are leftists

How about no.
They are all about perfect martial arts and shit while hunting out in the woods.
Shi't they are kung-fu-rednecks.

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>>52411439

>>52411507
What if you usually like elves?

>>52411681
Two possibilities: You either go as far as the usual elf-hater, but in reverse, and make them an insufferable idealistic image of what you deem right and good. Or you just take a liking in them, in a healthy manner, because there is something that appeals to you. Not because of what you project into them.

>>52409655

All the cool Elves left, you dingus. They are living with the gods now, doing awesome shit and living it up.

The Elves that are left are, essentially, elven hillbillies too stubnorn or attached to their land to leave, living in what the smarter and cooler elves left behind.

Like, imagine if you went to New York City and there were only like 50 people living there, most of them from West Virginia. Thats 'modern' Elvish society.

>>52409655
Typically, if the elves are failing as you suggest, their days as a "great nation" are in the past. Oh, they may have had an empire grander than any known to the modern world once upon a time, but the Elves that are around now are living in the shadow of that past glory.

How did it happen? Why did a race that allegedly had all the advantages fall so hard? Depends on the setting. Seriously, it does. Some settings their empire suffered some great calamity, broken by the act of some higher power. Elven civilization may be great, but it still can be beneath the tier of gods, demons, or dragons. Other times, it's not just one thing, but a long and bitter decay by fighting the barbarians at the gates, possibly for generations (Elven generations). Typically they lose, as >>52409666 says, on their birth rate, their society crumbling as the persistent losses of an ongoing conflict kill them by inches until, surprise surprise, something finally knocks them over in their weakened state.

Less often, but still possibly, similar factors could screw them without outside help. A once-great Elven empire could languish itself out of "world power" status with a contracting population and lack of impetus to innovate and better themselves. If Necessity is the mother of invention, the greatest of Elven Civs is barren while their lesser neighbors are extremely fruitful. If this goes on long enough, their relevance to the global scene enters a death spiral from which it won't be pulling out.

At least, that seems to be the hat that Elves often wear: Lesser sons of greater sires, descendants of the great and glorious Precursors that created all the fine ancient ruins we'll be seeing. if the "Present" is Enlightenment-era Europe, Elves are an Italy that loudly proclaims its Roman heritage but does little to actually live up to it.

Of course, you can play elves other ways. I actually kind of like their more fey incarnations.

>>52411760
I like them because I want to do lewd things to them.

>>52411841
>implying NYC is cool
Use a better example.

>>52412090
You are more cancerous than the elf-haters

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>>52412243
It's not my fault, elves are basically made for lewd.

>>52412243
I want to kiss and hug an elf.

In Tolkien-verse I think the overall decline of magic and elves fucking off to heaven is what is causing their decline.

In D&D-verse I always imagined that they simply didn't have the numbers to compete with humans and orcs. A human is ready to fight at age 15. An Elf has to wait until its 100ish. Its a similar problem that Lizardmen face except Elves have a better infrastructure so they can take the losses slightly better. Elves are skirmishers at heart who should avoid pitched battles at all costs

>>52413307
>An Elf has to wait until its 100ish
He hasn't. They are physically mature around 20 I thing.

>>52411681
Your part of the "wat do" pool.

Elves are the ubermensch of FRP. Longer lived, more attractive, better at everything than humans. And the "difficulty" of carrying a child is a boon for PCs so they have an in system mechanic as to why they can't get their character knocked up after being a cum dump at the tavern for a week solid.

>>52409655
MWAHAHAHAHAHA

>>52414272
>>52409993
>>52414093

Can elves do anything right? It seems no matter what setting they're in, they always cause some big calamity.

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>>52413365
Cite your sources, faggot.

Please don't bump the thread if you don't have anything to contribute.

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>>52416677

>>52416823

Nice.

/tg/ you should know better. It depends on the flavor of elf. TES elves run their setting.

I hate these ideas of elves. I hate them as these stoic Tolkien types. I hate the excuses of low fertility or stagnant culture.

They're elves, they have chaotic hearts. They don't stagnate, they suffer ennui easily and so they're always changing. Practises, location, relationships. After a time they move on and go do something or someone else. Life is too long to to be tied down to any one thing. This is why elves rarely master more than one thing, but know a little bit of many things. That's why there are half-elves about, because travelling elves mate with people they meet on their travels and then leave. Elven families are full of half-siblings for this reason.

I read an interesting idea the other day where elves aren't dying out, rather they're just arriving. It's elves that largely survive the apocalypse and inherit the world after men. I think that comes from how Elfheim is one of the realms that survives Ragnarok, and the last two living humans, a man and a woman, go there to survive.

Do you know what is the most dangerous thing in the universe? Horny, Sexually unpleased human.
Elves are destined to be extinct, because Elves are beautiful and Humans are Autistic interbreeders. Do the math

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Depends on what elf it is.

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>>52409704
So what kind of Elf was Cao Cao? Wild Elf? Dark Elf?