Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52407335
>OP isn't about nerfing Wizards
0/10

Fighters should be nerfed. They fight too well.

>>52407367
Naw bro, not before they nerf rogues, monks, and vow of poverty.

>>52407381
Vow of Poverty is the most overpowered option in pathfinder. It does at least one damage on the regular, which is completely unacceptable. How do we fix it so that it is more in line with a balanced option, such as Wizard?

>>52407144

Oh hey, speaking of Kingmaker, let me give you guys a tiny bit of advice for ethnic groups!

Brevoy is divided into two primary cultures, Issian and Rostlander. There is a generous smattering of Kellid in there - so much so that Hallit is a common language, but in practice you're faced with the Swordlords and Pirates.

Issia was primarily settled by the Ulfen, and being the seat of Rogarvian power they have ample admiration of dragons and draconic habits. Blonde hair is common here, as is blue eyes and redheads (due to the aforementioned Kellids.) Issians are tough and willful, having an ancestry of piracy that stretches back centuries.

Rostlanders, on the other hand, are of more imperial stock. Rostland was the nation furthest north conquered by Taldor, and as such has significant Taldan heritage - they lack the tanned skin of their southern brethren (due to mixing with the Issians and Kellid) but brown hair and brown eyes are especially common. The sense of national pride is also paramount to a Rostlander, being a people who were born by an empire and forged a glorious history through the legendary Swordlords. They are also famously willful and traditional, being sorts that pay heed to rustic wisdom or folklore as much as their own honest opinions on a matter. Indeed, I'd go so far as to say Rostlanders are the closest you'll get to the stereotypical Dwarf writ large.

When I get up I'll totally add more to this, if anyone has any questions!

>>52407400
Well anon, I'm glad you asked, we should make it so that anyone with Vow of Poverty suffers a penalty of -1 to each ability score per total monetary value of items held in copper.

>>52407436
Ah, I see. And if the player ever enters a party that has money, they should also receive penalties. It is the only way to make that more fair.

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What's a decent excuse for someone to be wielding a nodachi outside of some small tien enclave in Avistan?

So far the only thing I've got is "My granddad won it in a game from/stole it from/took it off the body of a tien man in Kalsgard".

Failing that, what could a nodachi be refluffed as to wash off the weeb taint?

How's the psionic classes in pathfinder? Are they worth playing/having around in a strictly 1pp group?

>>52407654
"An exotic sword from exotic lands that a noble family collected"
"A gift to a merchant / traveller who visited those lands"
"Spoils of war from a scuffle with ronin raiders"
etc

>>52404144
Sweet, thanks!

>>52407654
>Nodachi
THIS MAKES ME AUTISTIC ANGRY GRRRRR.

Elven curved sword is basically katana anyway

>>52407654
Refluff the Nodachi into some sort of Western-looking curved great-blade. Now it's not Japanese, and thus automatically better.

>>52407654
It's a miaodao. Granted this is just the chinese version but it's less curved and less likely to set off weeb alerts.

Alternatively it's just a bastard sword, who cares.

>>52407707
People will call it weeaboo anyway if it's East Asian.

>>52407654
Just call it a Claymore; long, spear-like sword from an exotic land, often considered weaker than "normal" swords but still cool-looking.

>>52407654
Why bother fluffing it? You don't need to fluff every single other piece of equipment you have, or do you?

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So I found my character art for my Blingmaker character. He's a Prophet of Kalistrade.

>>52407707
>>52407732
Anyone who automatically blows his top because it's 'weeb' needs to fucking kill themselves just as much as people who throw fits because something isn't Japanese.
If it's for a reason like "there is no way you'd have a fucking samurai set as a guy in Stamford Bridge England" or "no that doesn't make sense, your chivalrous knight can't be using a katana" that's fine, it makes perfect sense, but if he can get around it by saying lel Miaodao or lel kopesh when that doesn't make sense either (if it doesn't), then the DM and the players need to off themselves.

>>52407757
He's afraid of being called a weeb by his friends.

>>52407757
>>52407817
Because it feels like I'm already stretching my luck to say "a Brevic bastard has a nodachi because X reasons", and I want it to be believable.

>>52407435
DHB's UC fighter literally does it. They're just called Equipment Trainings instead of feats.

>>52407839
Is this for Blingmaker, by any chance?

If so, just refluff or keep it as a normal heirloom nodachi. Most GMs here won't really care much.

>>52407839
Just downgrade to the falchion and accept the losses, you're still wielding a great weapon without having to stretch yourself over it in a game where I'm sure half of the men will be running around with fucking dueling swords.

If you really insist on a nodachi, maybe try a messer. I mean it's not a great parallel but 18-20 range general refers to curve swords and it covers the stat block decently enough. IF YOU HAAAAAVE TO KEEP THE NODACHI FLAVOUR, then just go over the top and play a weeb in a land where all the other boys want to be Aldori Swordlords. Leverage your sheet for characterization.

>>52407839
Alright then. There was a retired mercenary in your hometown, who boasts about travelling the world, and your character, who wants to adventure, has always listened to his stories, which made the merc like you.
When you were ready to start adventuring, he gifted you one of his spare weapons, a nodachi, as a gift.

>>52407798
Impostor DHB?

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How come everyone was so HYPED for the Spheres of Might playtest, but now that it's been out for over a week, everyone is all "meh" over it?

>>52407907
Unsportsmanlike dev conduct, from what people say.

>>52407907
2hu splurged concentrated autism all over the broken parts of SoM and while Jolly used the pain to make SoM stronger Ssarln started deleting all of 2hu's comments and shutting down most negative reviews of his classes like the scholar and blacksmith, including other people's comments.

Sufficient to make us go reeee and not care as much.

There is some honest to god fun stuff in there but the quality of some stuff is variable in power and the optimisation ceiling /floor is heigh)low.

>>52407335
Anyone have the Monster Hunter's handbook? A little curious about the archetypes

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I dare you to make an Aldori Swordlord archetyped Fighter for Blingmaker /pfg/. I double dog dicky dare you.

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>>52408007
I have it. What do you want to ask about? Prefacing this by saying that the book is shit.

>>52408044
How bad is Disciple of the Pike?

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>>52408061
Actually, it's probably one of the better archetypes in this book. Losing the most important defining feature of a cavalier helps.

>>52408083
That...actually sounds like it could work fairly well.
Somebody tell me I'm crazy before I actually roll a character with that archetype.

>>52408061
Well, having a fully functional Weapon Training would make it really good, but no chance to get extra groups to trade for AWTs nor fighter levels to pick the feat for extra AWTs prevents the archetype from being great.

>>52408044
Psychodermist (Occultist) please!

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>>52408162
I know nothing about Occult classes but here you are.

In Espagnoll's Shattered Star a yokai kitsune PC died by poisoning after an ambush from a giant black widow spider.

>>52408204
I imagine a lot of stupid shit happened in an Espagnoll game.

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>>52408204
Faaaaascinating.

I WANT TO PLAY WITH DHB

SOMEONE LET ME ERP WITH HIM

>>52408219
In which fa/tg/uy campaign no stupid shit ever happened, Anon?

>>52407655
They're pretty neat, and actually fit very well in otherwise only 1pp games, as they don't add system wide changes like SoP or PoW.

>>52408044
Can I see Defender of the True World?

>>52408204
> Espagnoll ... died by poisoning
at first I rejoiced but then I read the whole sentence

>>52408204
Not one person dropped 50 gp on a potion of delay poison, huh?

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>>52408310
Lazy stitch. A lot of the archetypes in this book deal in sniping certain enemy types, some come in the form of being pretty decent at it at the cost of suffering the plight of Rangers everywhere, others are just worse than their best classes. You can decide where this one falls.

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>>52408346
It was a yokai kitsune, I'm rejoicing anyway.

>>52408361
Hmm, I could see this archetype being well worth it.
Just glad it buffs Wild Shape, as Druid archetypes are famous for fucking with it. (ie. Treat you level as 4 lower when not a specific creature)
If I thought I was going to be fighting Fey, this is the Druid I'd bring.

>Counterstrike (Ex)

>At 16th level, whenever an enemy within reach of the magus successfully casts a spell defensively, that enemy provokes an attack of opportunity from the magus after the spell is complete. This attack of opportunity cannot disrupt the spell.

Why have I never seen or heard anyone mention this ability ever? Is it just because it's inconsequential, or because you only get it at level 16?

>>52408174
Neat, can you post the page that has the "Harvest Parts" feat on it?

>>52408467
A bit of both. You not only need to be threatening them but it doesn't do anything until after the spell is casts. It's a really weak ability for level 16. It'd be ok if it let you attempt to counter spell.

>>52408352
Six strong party anf none of them had antitoxin potions nor delay poison.

>>52408535
Okie doke.

I'm just fiddling with rehomebrewing Magus from the ground up with spheres and there's just a lot of extraneous shit here. Stuff that does nothing but fill space.

I guess this is why Magi are relegated to the same shocking grasp shit from level 1-2, they don't GET anything else.

Rolled 4, 5 = 9 (2d10)

Do you guys think traits from something like a planetouched bloodline might be able to "rub off" through certain methods? Like blood transfusions, regular contact via certain spells that establish some kind of link, or even something else?

I'm wondering if the long-term effects of, say, being married to a fey or some manner of outsider might bestow a longer lifespan or other mostly-cosmetic traits upon their lover/spouse.

>>52409016
It might do.

Given that people can get Sorcerer 'bloodlines' from things post-birth, sure why not?

If a guy can get the Undead bloodline from being born dead and then resuscitated, a guy married to a dragon can passively pick up dragon juju.

>>52409051
Especially if she filled full of dragon juju

>>52409051
What about an aasimar or tiefling? Could they imbue someone with a tiny bit of their own celestial/fiendish essence, or would it take something like a bloodline/Eldritch Heritage to make that happen?

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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/elemental/elemental-air/large-air-elemental/

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/universal-monster-rules/#TOC-Whirlwind-Su-

Is there anything stopping a CR 5 Large air elemental from picking up the entire party in a whirlwind, flying 200 feet up, and then dropping the party for 20d6 falling damage?

>>52409168
Superior tactics.

>PLD closes
>we're not still talking about it
I'm relieved, but also a little disappointed.

Where are the accusations that people got in literally because they gave Vult boners?

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>>52409277
About a thread back, along with some discussion of how to artfully and tastefully write about troll-on-human rape.

To think it's a choice between that bullshit and stormwind arguments.

>>52409168
By not being a dick

>>52409168
>it might not think to do so unless ordered
>at least half of them would probably make their saves
But most importantly,
>if you kill the party to prove you're smarter than them, you're not going to be running any games anytime soon thereafter

>>52409168
A lot of enemies aren't supposed to be played with that tactical smartness.
Take the Dretch, for example.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/demon/dretch/
CR 2, but 2-3 of them can put a level 4 or 5 party in trouble if they spam stinking cloud and have a higher level demon with them to deal the damage.

>>52409277
Great, we can talk about some other games then.
How's Legacy of Blood and Fire doing? Has anybody actually expanded on their backstory yet, or are the majority of them still just bullet point lists?

Just gonna drop this here, an initiating slayer. It's more or less just "Hidden Blade but for Slayer" but it wasn't that hard to convert

https://sites.google.com/site/bloodymountainpath/mechanical-information/archetypes-and-templates/frontier-huntmaster-slayer-archetype

>SoM
>2hu splurged concentrated autism all over the broken parts of SoM and while Jolly used the pain to make SoM stronger Ssarln started deleting all of 2hu's comments and shutting down most negative reviews of his classes like the scholar and blacksmith, including other people's comments

So into the trash it goes?

>>52409327
Cashmere's eyes began to water as the Troll's putrid breath roiled around her head, stifling her sense of smell with the rancid scent of rotting flesh. She felt its hot, sticky saliva patter against her immaculate breasts, and she squirmed and struggled as the creature clutched at her legs with its thick hands, spreading them apart as its engorged member poked out from beneath the brute's loincloth.

Cashmere cried out in pain as the Troll plunged its gnarled cock deep inside her, its slick, mossy thighs slapping against her milky white skin to the rhythm of its primal heartbeat. Tears poured down her cheeks as her breath quickened, gasping in agony with each pounding blow inside her. No longer did she struggle; instead her fingers gripped and clawed at the soil beneath her, finding no purchase there, but instead scrabbling and scratching in vain.

Her muscles tightened and her stomach churned as the beast continued its foul rutting, her thighs now stained with grime from the creature's own vile skin. Cashmere no longer cried out, and her legs had gone limp in the creature's hands. She wept quietly to herself, taking rattling breaths as the beast pumped away at her fountain, its overwhelming girth tearing into her nubile body.

The Troll's grunting grew noisier, and the gouts of hot breath against Cashmere's chest and face grew more frequent. With a palpable quiver, the creature's cock erupted with hot seed, and such was its volume that Cashmere could feel it squelching and slipping out around the beast's member, to drip down to her pale buttocks. Cashmere's body shuddered, and she weakly attempted to call for help, as the creature finished the deed. The Troll withdrew, momentarily spent, and released its grip on her legs, leaving bruises where it had squeezed her thighs in the throes of its bestial passions. It picked up the girl, and flung her over one shoulder before trudging off into the wood, her screams ringing through the night.

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>>52409446

>>52409347
Yeah, they'll just pick a new DM if you start being a dick

>>52409358
I used to coming up with things as I go along. Writing things out like this is hard.

>>52409277
I'm really glad my favorite apps made it in. Makes me think there's Justice in this world. I hope my favorite Blingmakers get in too.

>>52409327
It's not. We just have a cadre of retards like you that equate any mechanical discussion to muh stormwind. Because how dare people talk about mechanics!

>>52409525
You just want to read the logs don't you?

>>52409686
Doesn't everyone? Especially now that *HONK* is confirmed?

>>52409426
No, they actually fixed some problems with the Blacksmith. Ssalarn may be a dick at times but he's not working alone and others are willing to listen to feedback.

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>>52409713
Why did they even get Ssalarn on this project at all?

>>52409708
I really hope she's able to give some real levity without just being a gimmick

>>52409758
Hey, that's true about all of them. They could easily be one-note as fuck. Even your golden girl, Gloriana, could be a boring slut without proper execution

>>52409723
He is an ideas guy

>>52409769
Gloriana is the dumbest girl on the team. DUMB!

>>52409796
She takes dumb to a whole new level. It's pretty pathetic. The other party members could just mercilessly manipulate her and she'd be none the wiser.

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http://media.wizards.com/2017/dnd/downloads/UAThreeSubclasses.pdf

How would /pfg/ convert the 5e paladin archetype here into an effective Pathfinder paladin archetype?

Salient points:

>Armor of Peace
>Starting at 3rd level,your commitment to peace allows you to walk into the most dangerous situations unarmored. While you aren’t wearing armor or wielding a shield, your base AC is 16 + your Dexterity modifier.

>Warrior of Reconciliation
>At 3rd level, you foreswear the weapons of war in favor of simple tools. While wielding a simple weapon that deals bludgeoning damage, you gain a special benefit if you reduce a creature to 0 hit points with that weapon and decide to spare the creature’s life. Instead of falling unconscious, the creature is charmed by you for 1 minute. During that time, the charmed creature is peaceful and docile, refusing to move or to take actions or reactions, unless you command it to. You can’t order the creature to attack, force someone to make a saving throw, or cause damage to itself or others. This charmed effect ends early if you are incapacitated or if you or your companions attack the creature, deal damage to it, or force it to make a saving throw. When the effect ends, the creature falls unconscious if it still has 0 hit points.

In 5e, the optimal weapon for this archetype is the quarterstaff, because it is the best simple bludgeoning weapon. Therefore, this type of paladin is encouraged to stroll around unarmored and bludgeon foes with a pimp cane.

How would this work in Pathfinder?

>>52409796
Being smart won't keep you from getting raped, Anon.

>>52409824
16 is a really high base in 5e. That's awesome. Though I guess there aren't any finesse able bludgeons, so you can't go full-DEX.

>>52409824
It's not quite the same, but the concept reminded me of a homebrew I saw a while ago:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vHZu4JK6aVLU11mnlZNH7TjA1d70uYYXFEbEGagLcDo/edit

>>52409824
Why would we want or need to?

>>52409869
Wasn't this an initiator before?

>>52409886
I wish I knew. I only came across this from a WotR app, and it just stuck on my mind since then. If I recall correctly, it didn't have initiation even then.

>>52409869
>yeah throwing irresistible charm spells around is okay because the class says it's not mind control, r-really!

Shit.

>>52409905

>irresistible
> a Will save (DC = 10 + ½ class level + dashing romantic’s Charisma modifier) or be charmed

>>52409931
>Additionally, when using a charm supernatural ability, she ignores all immunities to charm effects, enchantment effects, and mind-affecting effects as well as bonuses to saving throws against such effects.

mostly irresistible then, also way to miss the point

>>52409446

why is this happening

My main issue is that this doesn't really touch on Cashmere's character, you could find+replace her name with any other girl's name and barely anything would be off

>>52409900
>>52409886

Very confused creator of it (I am honestly surprised anyone remembers it) here. It's both. That's the non-initiator version. I made both as I know that not everyone is cool with allowing initiators in their games.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xc-dvBYn1491dvF1ctGOgxt41xBaAto_WMno9dFiYEs/edit?usp=sharing

Here is the initiating version. It's not much different.

>>52409942

That sort of thing turns up all the time on fear classes in order to make them not useless against constructs/undead/protection from evil.

>>52409900
That was my app. Thanks for remembering, anon, it's an odd boost to the ol' ego.

>>52409835
Technically being dumb WILL protect you from rape, because you don't even realise it's a monster and not your husband.

"Mama said the first time might hurt a bit, but I'm going to be a good wife!"

>>52409446
>actually read the troll fluff in PLD and got it right
I'm impressed anon. True dedication to your task. Though you could have spent time ripping off all of Cashmere's frilly dresses.

>>52409968
Having sex with someone who believes you to be someone else is still rape, anon.

>>52409957
Okay, sure. That's not my problem with it, my problem with it is the 'it's totally not mind control or an abuse of power because I, the writer, have said so';

>>52409992
Oh.

I guess being dumb WON'T stop you being raped.

>>52410011
Being smart will, though!
It lets you see through disguises!

Is daring someone into doing something that otherwise they wouldnt do diplomacy, intimidate or bluff?

>>52409992
Are we talking just a complete identity fraud?
Making others believe you're better person than you actually are is legit, right?

RIGHT?

>>52410024
I'd say Bluff personally. It's got that more rogueish or playful edge.

>>52410029
Yeah, just complete identity fraud.

If the latter were rape, then those crazy dykes that claim all hetero sex is rape may have had a point.

>>52410024
I'd lean towards bluff, but it depends on the situation.

>>52410024
It depends on how you're doing it.

If you're intentionally underselling the danger/convincing them of pay off that isn't there: bluff.

If you're just convincing them that the reward is worth the effort: diplomacy.

>>52410005

The writer of it here.

Yeah, this is why I needed a foreword. Pathfinder has serious issues with it's ability to represent 'I'm a ungodly charming person' without it going straight to mind control. Some games (LOTW, Exalted 3e (But sure as hell not 2e)) handle it well, others do not. You really have two mechanical options if you want a class to be charming. Arbitrary bonus to diplomacy (Not exactly a better system as it's a static DC) or using the charm condition. Skill Unlocks went for the latter option, letting someone with enough ranks in social skills use non-magical charm person as 'You are just that good'.

I'm not 100% happy with the archetype but, for the moment, don't really know how to represent it better than that.

>>52410065
My complaint is that just handwaving it away in the foreword doesn't solve the problem (and in fact, makes it worse by providing blanket justification for anything a player might do with said charm spells).

You're right that there's not an easy way to fix it, though. I'd personally probably put in a modified paladin's code aimed at curtailing some of the more obvious abuses of power instead of just giving carte blanche myself. Neither is a particularly good solution though.

>>52409277

Because it's obvious it's true since bonbon got in the second they changed their art, except that Sigmund also got in because we would have never shut up if he didn't.

>>52409981
Post length, bro.

>>52409943
Sorry, sorry, I'll do better next time.

>>52410179
Sigmund got in because Vult knows him

>>52410190

Are you actually cashmere's player.

Your writing isn't really 100% there.

Try a new passage, you're getting stuck trying to revise this and it's getting diminishing returns

>>52409835
So what you're saying is that the increase in difficulty to make her willing directly correlates to the number of rapeful situation that her intelligence allows her to avoid, thus resulting in a zero-sum or worse for her?

Because keep in mind, what keeps the dumb girl from being raped is convincing her to say okay.

>>52410199
Just shitposting. Wist is way cuter than me.

>>52410011
It can. You can be talked into sex more easily. The earlier trickery anon used was a bad example, but if she's dumb enough for
>hey wanna do something fun? doesn't this feel good? wanna have even more fun? fun's fun, right? AW YEAH, SEAR THAT ROAST. FUCK THAT'S GOOD. CREEM FRAICHE

then technically she's agreeing to more sex and thus directly lowering the amount of rape.

It's bad if she thinks it's someone else; that's deception, but if she just doesn't realize this big guy with horns is technically not a human, well, she's just dumb.

>>52410148

The issue I had with changing the code would be that it would be an admission that, in-universe, it's mind control.

Which goes back to the core issue: Pathfinder doesn't really have a middle ground between 'Mind control' and 'Rolling Diplomacy'. Ways to represent that basically don't exist and I was trying to crowbar it into that space.

One of the big things during it's initial run people wanted was it to add charm spells to the spell list, which I was very against as I was trying to avoid the wonders of mind control.

I think I'll rewrite it to not use the Charmed condition. As that has a lot of baggage that 'Becoming friendly' without using the word 'Charm' wouldn't have. Interactions, immunities and the emotional baggage that comes with 'Is this mind control?'

Does this read a bit better/less mind controlly?

>At 3rd level, a target affected by a dashing romantic's lay on hands or channel positive energy must succeed on a Will save (DC = 10 + ½ class level + dashing romantic's Charisma modifier) or be affected by the dashing romantic's allure and have it's attitude towards the dashing romantic become friendly for one hour per level of the dashing romantic. A creature thus affected by allure is in full control of it's mind and is not compelled to act against it's own interests and goals or to cease combat if it has reason to do so, though may be more willing to negotiate or less likely to engage in cold blooded murder, as it normal for a friendly creature.

>>52410282

It sounds notably better.

I'm in a game with a Dashing Romantic and frankly I'm terrified of the current mindcontrolley wording

>>52410282
Yeah, that's so much better.

Thanks for listening to my bitching.

>>52410251

I'm 88% sure even the dumb girl that loves sex is going to always say no to a howling dickwolf trying to jam their fist-thick dick up her rear.

>>52410282
That's a lot less creeperific.

>>52410335

You have never played with actual women, have you?

>>52410335
>I'm 88% sure even the dumb girl that loves sex is going to always say no to a howling dickwolf trying to jam their fist-thick dick up her rear.
So you've not read the rorylogs then, have you?

>>52410335
Well that yes.
But the only slightly creepy guy at the bar, or the minotaur in a lumberjack shirt, or that octopus that plays its cards JUST RIGHT...

Obviously dumb won't save you from bigass monster that just dashes, grapples and penetrates on sight. Might even make her more likely to get herself in that position in the first place than a smart girl.

>>52410351

KEK

>>52410299

Alright. Well, tell your friend the wording is being updated.

It's SUPPOSED to be 'You make people friendly'. Not 'You mind control people with your feel good rays'. More 'Shonen hero who ends the punchup with the other guy with both of them smiling about how much fun it is' or 'Dashing swashbuckler who makes his opponent swoon' and less Infinity Crusade.

Giving people Atonement is sticking though (As Atonement literally can't be used on unwilling people. It just lets them change if they WANT)

As someone wiser than me told me: The suit you dress it up in matters a lot to how it feels regardless of the mechanics and I'm touching on an area that hits people right in the emotions.

>>52410330

Feedback is good. It helps me improve stuff and, as I said: I was never happy with how it was before.

>>52410340

The only time the women I've played with seemed to get all "that's my fetish" is when my character turned into a lycanthrope, not some random snarling beast in the woods somewhere.

It's all about the execution, man. Banging the barmaid does not compare to banging the willful witch after seven sessions of innuendo and relationship building.

>>52410351
go to bed rory's player

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>>52410351
>>52410335

>>52410351
>tfw when rory is the chad thundercock of /pfg/

JUST.

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I had experimented with Spheres of Might's armiger class earlier. I tried to figure out what the playstyle of a "fully optimal" armiger was, at least ruling out Small-sized characters on mounted flyers and Alchemy bombers.

The results were disappointing. It seems that the armiger still falls under the same optimization paradigm as every other Spheres of Might class: specialize in an attack action talent that helps you kill people (no need to debuff or do anything interesting when you can delete enemies, right?), and then load up on passive talents that support such a thing. All the customized weapons do is either add more cherries on top of your "kill people" routine, or give you a backup ranged option in case you are facing fliers or whatnot.

The rapid assault class feature at armiger class level 5th superficially *appears* to encourage Devil May Cry-style weapon switching attacks, but the optimal way to use it is actually to take two weapons of the exact same type, and then use rapid assault as a roundabout way to gain double attacks. For instance, an armiger should simply run up to an enemy, whack them with a dwarven longhammer, stow that dwarven longhammer, bring out a second dwarven longhammer, and bash the enemy with *that*. This is rather anticlimactic.

Really, Spheres of Might is suffering from an issue of the "boring, but effective" builds being the most optimal ones, rather than the builds that mix it up and actually use a variety of non-pure-damage effects in combat.

Level: 6th
Race: Human
Class: Blacksmith 1/armiger 5
Ability Scores (20 point buy): Strength 17+2+1+2, Dexterity 12, Constitution 14, Intelligence 12, Wisdom 12, Charisma 7
Key Trait: Reactionary (combat)

Feats:
• Human Bonus: Muscular Reflexes
• 1st-level: Power Attack
• 3rd-level: Furious Focus
• 5th-level: Any feat, retrained to Vital Strike at 6th-level

>>52410381

Sigmund is the new chad

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>>52410387

Martial Training: Bushido Way
• Dueling (Bloodless Combatant drawback, Clumsy Disarmer drawback, 2 free): Defensive Slice, Scar Tissue
• Equipment (no dedication): Armor Training ×2, Bushido Tools

Other Combat Talents: 7 = 1 blacksmith + 1 equipment specialist + 3 armiger + 2 armored
• Alchemy (Formulae package, 1 free): Focusing Formula
• Beastmastery (Unskilled drawback, 1 free): Pet (initiative familiar)
• Berserking: Furious Charge
• Equipment (1 free): Hammer Training
• Guardian (Indifferent Defender drawback, 1 free): Cold Iron Call, Durable

Customized Weapon #1: Dwarven Longhammer:
• Berserking: Batter Down, Decapitate

Customized Weapon #2: Dwarven Longhammer:
• Berserking: Spell Sunder
• Guardian: Mageguard

Customized Weapon #3: Aklys:
• Equipment: Distant Throw, Throwing Mastery

Armiger Prowesses:
• 2nd-level: Armored
• 4th-level: Armored

Key Equipment:
• 4,000 gp: Belt of giant strength +2
• 4,000 gp: Cracked pale green prism ioun stone
• 2,650 gp: +1 full plate
• 2,500 gp: Bag of holding type I
• 1,000 gp: Cloak of resistance +1
• 500 gp: Cracked dusty rose prism ioun stone
• 500 gp total: Alchemical silver dwarven longhammer ×2
• 280 gp total: Cold iron dwarven longhammer ×2
• 250 gp: Retraining a feat at 6th-level
• 75 gp: Ioun torch
• 50 gp: Alchemical silver aklys ×2
• 20 gp total: Cold iron aklys ×2

Initiative:
1 Dexterity modifier
+2 trait from Reactionary
+1 competence from dusty rose prism ioun stone
+4 initiative familiar
Total: +8

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>>52410396

Attack Bonus on a Brutal Strike:
6 BAB
+6 Strength modifier
+1 competence from cracked pale green prism ioun stone
+2 enhancement
Total: +15, critical multiplier ×3

Damage on a Brutal Strike:
2d6 dwarven longhammer
+9 Strength modifier multiplied
+1 enhancement
+2 sharpen weapons
+6 Power Attack
+12 Brutal Strike
+2d6 Vital Strike
Total: 4d6+30 (average 44), ignores 3 damage reduction

Attack Bonus on the Second Attack in a Rapid Assault:
6 BAB
+6 Strength modifier
+1 competence from cracked pale green prism ioun stone
+2 enhancement
-2 Power Attack
-2 rapid assault
Total: +11, critical multiplier ×3

Damage on the Second Attack in a Rapid Assault:
2d6 dwarven longhammer
+9 Strength modifier multiplied
+1 enhancement
+2 sharpen weapons
+6 Power Attack
Total: 2d6+18 (average 25), ignores 3 damage reduction

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2-s8weiulPoBQjdI05LBzOUToyoZIdSsLKxHAvf8F8/edit#gid=3
Average CR 6 AC: 18.4
Average CR 6 hit points: 68.1

DPR against AC 18: 60.885 = ((0.9 * 44) + (0.05 * 2 * 0.9 * 44)) + (0.9 * ((0.7 * 25) + (0.05 * 2 * 0.7 * 25)))
DPR against AC 19: 56.33375 = ((0.85 * 44) + (0.05 * 2 * 0.85 * 44)) + (0.85 * ((0.65 * 25) + (0.05 * 2 * 0.65 * 25)))

Could anyone suggest ways in which the armiger could become more like an actual "slasher video game" character, one that actually encourages diversity of weapons and mixing up tactics, rather than falling back into the same pattern of "just spam damage and kill people"?

>>52410396
It seems to me that a secondary problem would be that the drawbacks in SoM don't really offer much in the line of actual drawback and are pretty much "take a free talent". Is that an accurate thing to say?

>>52410404
They do generally remove access to one-half (or major parts) of a sphere. For example, Gladiator is both buffs and demoralize; taking a drawback to get rid of the buffs part gets you a free talent if all you care about is demoralize, but you still lose a part of the sphere (including base abilities).

>>52410387
>The rapid assault class feature at armiger class level 5th superficially *appears* to encourage Devil May Cry-style weapon switching attacks, but the optimal way to use it is actually to take two weapons of the exact same type, and then use rapid assault as a roundabout way to gain double attacks.


...Ouch.
That's entirely right.

How much would change if there was an enforced 'no two of your weapons can share more than half the same talents' rule, or something similar?

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>>52410404
>>52410420

Part of the issue is that some spheres offer *very* good one-talent (or one-feat via Extra Combat Talent) packages via drawbacks.

One of the strongest dips any character can make using Spheres of Might is to spend a single talent/feat on the Dueling sphere with both drawbacks. That immediately entitles the character to both of these:

>Defensive Slice
>When a ranged attack is made against you or a target within your reach, you can cut the weapon (or ammunition) out of the air, deflecting the attack so the target takes no damage. As an attack of opportunity, make a melee attack roll at your highest bonus. If the result is greater than the attack roll total of the ranged attack, the attack is deflected. You must be aware of the attack and not flat-footed. Associated Feat: Cut from the Air.

>Scar Tissue
>Your countless dueling practices have built up thick scar tissue and callouses that provide you protection from bleeding wounds. You gain DR 2 / bludgeoning and reduce all bleed damage you take by 1; bleed damage cannot be reduced below 0 by this ability. At 5th level and every 5 levels thereafter the damage reduction granted by this ability increases by 2 points and you reduce any bleed damage you take by an additional 1 point.

For the price of a single talent/feat, you gain Cut from the Air + Smash from the Air and scaling damage reduction X/bludgeoning.

Take Muscular Reflexes (Strength-based Combat Reflexes from Spheres of Might) or Combat Reflexes, and you and any ally in your reach should be extremely well-defended against anything that requires a ranged attack roll.

This is probably unintentional though, seeing how a one-feat/one-talent investment is usually less spectacular. This could stand to be revamped.

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>>52410459

By the time you gain rapid assault at 5th-level, you will probably have enough "core talents" to ensure that all three of your customized weapons have unique sets of talents.

The actual boring part is that one of those weapons will be the exact same mundane weapon type as another one of those weapons, purely because rapid assault is a cheap method of multiattacking, and you obviously want to bring out your best mundane weapon type for a bread-and-butter multiattack.

>>52410400
>Could anyone suggest ways in which the armiger could become more like an actual "slasher video game" character
This is hard for two reasons. First, Pathfinder weapon system is fucked. You always take the weapon with biggest damage dice and good crit/reach, depending on what you care about more for your build. SoM focusing on single attack actions makes Vital Strike desirable so high base dice is a must. Most other special qualities are inconsequential. That means it is very easy to point out the best choice and duplicate it. Second, SoM is almost entirely weapon-agnostic. You can use most talents and abilities with most weapons. Nothing is gated by your choice of gear so you have no incentive to pick something less than optimal (other than flavor, of course).

>How much would change if there was an enforced 'no two of your weapons can share more than half the same talents' rule
It's not about talents (notice how both hammers have different talents in 2hu's build), it's about using two identical weapons. You are not 2B with a BIg Word and Small Sword, or Dante with Big Sword and Some Cuhraaazee Shit. You are a guy with two identical hammers outfitted with different talents.

>>52410523
>>52410400

Is this 2B or not 2B?

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>>52410387
>>52410396
>>52410400
>>52410523

Also, Spheres of Might's paradigm shift towards martial traditions undermines the armiger, because they no longer have proficiency with all martial weapons, and instead have to settle for whatever they can scrounge up using a martial tradition. They can gain more leeway only by submitting to the GM's mercy for a custom martial tradition, or by blowing a talent on Equipment talents for more proficiencies.

>>52410550
It's Youmu Konpaku dressed as 2B. Unless you were making a shitty pun rather than legitimately asking, then you succeeded.

>>52410550
That is the question.

>>52410299
>>52410330

Alright, Dashing Romantic is updated with both the new wording and a new level 12 ability.

Feedback is highly appreciated. I'll admit, the change left level 12 in a bit of a lurch as there isn't really a need for it's prior effect. So I went for an effect that is mostly fluff but is intended to get across the idea that love is a two way street not just lil' wayne, the human lizard, singing about how his bitches love him.

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>>52410539

>You are not 2B with a BIg Word and Small Sword, or Dante with Big Sword and Some Cuhraaazee Shit. You are a guy with two identical hammers outfitted with different talents.

Compounding the issue is the fact than an armiger's third weapon inevitably becomes a "backup weapon in case of emergencies."

In the build above, the aklys is only brought out during times when the character has absolutely no way of making a melee attack.

In a more ranged-centric armiger build, the character would probably have two identical ranged weapons, plus a backup melee weapon that is brought out only when ranged attacks are impossible for whatever reason.

There is simply no incentive at all to proactively mix up melee and ranged attacks like in a "slasher video game."

D&D 4e at least presented the Manticore's Fury feat, which gave you a temporary bonus to ranged damage rolls whenever you hit with a melee attack, and a temporary bonus to melee damage rolls whenever you hit with a ranged attack; Spheres of Might could definitely use something similar.

Basically, the "optimal" armiger is an extremely "boring yet effective" place right now.

>>52410611
It's mostly just going to be used for interrogation, but if you don't have a problem with that, it does what it's set out to do well.

>>52410647

Yeah, it likely will.

The intention is mostly 'Get to know the person well enough for a proper friendship to blossom/for the paladin to help them'. It's supposed to be thematically helping with the idea that the archetype is very focused on kindness (Why I didn't want it to beat people into friendliness with weapons).

>>52410561
This is really frustrating. You either take something with talents you want and proficiencies you don't want or proficiencies you want with talents you don't want. And let's not forget about how SoM talents granting proficiencies do so for arbitrary lists of weapons so if something you want is outside them you have to spend even more resources.

>>52410642
>Spheres of Might could definitely use something similar.
I think it would be relatively easy to give armigers bonuses for attacking with different weapon types during their Rapid Assaults. Something like "after making an attack with light blade your next attack treats enemy AC as 2 lower" etc. Of course those wouldn't stack, maybe scale. This way you could mix up your combos for different benefits albeit that would have to be designed very carefully to avoid making obvious best combinations.

>>52410708
Looks good to me, then. I kinda wanna do a Pegasus Knight/Dashing Romantic but I don't think they stack and that might be too much for any campaign to handle.

>>52410721

As someone who wrote them both: They do! Well, they can. You want Pegasus Knight + NON-initiating dashing romantic (As otherwise they both trade out spells)

Savior Above replaces Channel Energy, however. So you'll lose out on AOE charm.

>>52410768

Addendum: Sorry, AOE allure

Dammit, got game terminology and common parlance mixed up.

>>52410768
I'm okay with that.

>>52410489
I hate smash from the air. I hate it so much.
>Look! now that I have this feat, I completely permanently negate entire combat styles, and there's literally nothing they can do about it! Ever!

>>52411019
Try shooting more arrows.

>>52411019
They can cast true strike and then vital strike deadly shot me to death in one hit?

>>52411035
That still won't over come a full BAB attack roll from someone of remotely similar level.

>>52411019
Just have someone to stun them! Teamwork!

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>>52411035

A technician with many purchases of improved firearm (powerful round) and true strike would be terrifying.

• 3rd-level technician with double hackbut: 8d6 base damage (Sniping's deadly shot: 16d6 damage)

• 4th-level technician with double hackbut: 8d6 base damage (Sniping's deadly shot with Combat Sphere Specialization: 24d6 damage)

• 5th-level technician with double hackbut: 16d6 base damage (Sniping's deadly shot with Combat Sphere Specialization: 48d6 damage)

• 8th-level technician with double hackbut: 16d6 base damage (Sniping's deadly shot with Combat Sphere Specialization and Vital Strike via retraining: 80d6 damage)

• 9th-level technician with double hackbut: 32d6 base damage (Sniping's deadly shot with Combat Sphere Specialization and Vital Strike: 160d6 damage)

• 12th-level technician with double hackbut: 32d6 base damage (Sniping's deadly shot with Combat Sphere Specialization and Vital Strike: 192d6 damage)

• 13th-level technician with double hackbut: 64d6 base damage (Sniping's deadly shot with Combat Sphere Specialization and Vital Strike: 384d6 damage)

• 15th-level technician with double hackbut: 64d6 base damage (Sniping's deadly shot with Combat Sphere Specialization and Improved Vital Strike: 448d6 damage)

• 16th-level technician with double hackbut: 64d6 base damage (Sniping's deadly shot with Combat Sphere Specialization and Improved Vital Strike: 512d6 damage)

• 17th-level technician with double hackbut: 128d6 base damage (Sniping's deadly shot with Combat Sphere Specialization and Improved Vital Strike: 1,024d6 damage)

• 20th-level technician with double hackbut (capstone): 128d6 base damage (Sniping's deadly shot with Combat Sphere Specialization and Improved Vital Strike: 1,152d6 damage)

Powerful round seems to be referring to size steps, at least at 2d6 damage and beyond, because the super-heated improvement stipulates:
>one die step (1d8, 1d10, 2d6, 3d6)
The progression is atypical, however.

>>52411074
No, no, the build is full fighter, but you put a point in beastmastery to pick up a pet who wand's you with true strike. No action economy loss, and your base to hit should be about equal with the enemy's, and now you've got +20 on top of that.

>>52411094
Not literally fighter, I mean fighty type classes.

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When was the last time your character hugged their party? Did they deserve it?

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>>52411094

A one-talent/one-feat dip into Beastmastery with the Unskilled advantage and the Pet talent is good for any build, but remember that your familiar is still low-Intelligence-locked.

>>52411108
Does falling asleep in each other's arms count as hugging? Cause if not we definitely hugged like, right before that.

>>52411124
Not if it's a saaage.

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>>52411108
What counts as a hug?

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Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.

When was the last time you snuck something completely ridiculous or nonsensical into your backstory just to justify an optimization choice? Did you get called out for it?

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>>52411143

I will admit that it is currently ambiguous as to whether or not a Pet can take certain familiar archetypes, such as the sage familiar archetype.

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>mfw already in a meme game
>mfw Blingmaker's really, really cool
>mfw I've got a concept I want to try

Should... Should I do it, lads?

>>52411251
Yeah for it. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

>>52410387
It is hard to make debuffing satisfying because nothing trumps the debuff of "death".
Hell boring weapon choices is something too deep for SoM to fix, Pathfinder has never made weapon selection that interesting

>>52411292
Debuffing really only works on bullet sponge bosses with HP in the hundreds of thousands.

>>52411313
Or when you can do it to all enemies in fuck huge aoe

>>52411321
Only if that actually accomplishes something. If you're facing a ton of enemies, you'd better be able to give them -6 to hit or something.

>>52411251
If "do it" means apply, yeah, sure. The worst that can happen is that you don't get in, and you're better off than most people because even if that happens you've still got a game you're in.

But if "do it" means quit the game you're in to try and get in Blingmaker, no, don't do that.

>>52411264
>>52411362

Thanks anons, you have given me the determination to work on this character!

What are some good ninja tricks?

>>52411425

Try spinning, that's a good trick.

>>52411161
>>52411126
wrapping your arms around another party member to showcase your affection or caring for them without taking out your peen or vaag

>>52411443
Who said I took it out, even as we fell asleep.

The game logs you guys keep referring to... from context, I'm not sure I actually want to read them, but I feel out of the loop because it's like everyone knows where to read them except me. Unless it's something old.

>>52411498
There's no "real" logs. It's just a player or the GM posting greentext stories summing up what happened. You read them here. In the thread.

>>52411251
This brings up an interesting question: What percentage of meme game players are in or actively applying for more meme games?

>>52411512
I see. I suppose I've just missed them then.

>>52411529
It also depends on which game you're talking about. If you mean the logs for PLD, they might be talking about the actual transcripts of the game from Roll20. Which I do believe they provide a logging feature, though I don't know how to use it personally SINCE I'VE NEVER BEEN IN A ROLL20 GAME.

>>52411518
>>52411518
The memiest game in town is SotJR and I'm pretty sure every one of them is either running, playing, or applying for several other /pfg/ games.

>>52411571
PLD hasnt even ran yet

First game is on Thursday, intro session with Cashmere and Gloriana.

>>52411676

Really

>>52411676
>GM's already having private threeway sessions with the two cutest apps.

>>52411607
>tfw /pfg/ is ruled by an elite caste
Seize the memes of production.

>>52411723

Some of the memes are really saucy though.

>>52411717

No, its worse:

He's making it impossible to have male PCs fuck female ones before he's had a crack at them by forcing them to get raped in a group session with him away from the men.

>>52411676

I've got a feeling Cashmere isn't going to remain a maid by the time that session is over.

>>52411744
>>52411717
>>52411748
Neither of them will be able to wear white after that.

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>>52411744
Truly this is the king of magical realms

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Alright. This is kinda related to my Pegasus Knight so I shoved it in the same file.

I wrote up new rules for mounted weapons on the charge. Or at least, some special qualities to make it better. I wrote up a few new cavalry weapons and a few special qualities to make them not quite so samey/nothing but pure damage.

It's on the last page, if people want to take a look.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FxyQ98xHryv8BS23EN-WqAEou3DoJWlQdw4U6eOFLjw/edit?usp=sharing

>>52411744

That seems really, really sleazy - like, I know the game is about rape and transformation but can you at least keep it in your pants for two sessions?

>>52411734
Memes aside, I can't tell if the over-representation of the players in /pfg/ games is due to some sort of favoritism/cronyism, or if it's that they have better quality apps.

Then again, those apps might only be high quality because they get accepted to so much, giving them experience in writing successful ones.

>>52411757

Gloriana couldn't wear white anyway, her backstory features extensive "use" by her husband, quite literally in every way a woman could be used.

>>52411744
Or or!

He asked who was available and they were the first to volunteer!

>>52411782

It's a combination.

Part of the issue is that /pfg/'s quality is actually pretty low aside from a few folks

>>52411782
>those apps might only be high quality because they get accepted to so much, giving them experience in writing successful ones.
The good apps get gooder while the poor apps stay... Poor.

>>52411790

Suuuuure

>>52411809
poor people dont deserve to play

>>52411809
REDISTRIBUTE THE MEMES TO THE PROLETARIAT!

>>52411790

>First to volunteer
>Asked at what I presume was the early early morning
>On a weekday

>>52411809

So get better, scrub.

You don't have to play /pfg/ games.

how to simulate a sea storm?

like, what are some trials the players could be facing while piloting a ship?
Is there any manual or something that talks about this stuff? I guess things even not strictly about pathfinder are okay, as long as I can adapt them.

>>52411809

I would be happy to run a meme/app workshop if people were interested.

Like Bob Ross, with happy little memes.

>>52411829
Vult gets online when he goes to work and then shitposts as he works on chevys

So what?

>>52411837

Rigging gets loose, the sails need to be furled or else they'll tear, someone gets thrown overboard, lightning destroys one of the masts.

>>52411848

Same. We maybe should split off into a roll20 app workshop general, even.

>>52411848
>>52411809
There's not really that much you need to have a good app.

Just a gimmick, effective creative writing, and fit the tone of the game.

Gimmick isn't too hard if you're not racelocked.

Fitting the tone of the game is a simple matter of looking over the setting info.

And effective creative writing - READ YOUR GODDAMN APP AFTER WRITING. See if it makes sense. Ask a friend if it makes sense. See if it is enthralling, or if it's boring. Rewrite it to be more exciting.

That's about it. Try and snag some reviews to see if you've missed anything out.

So... my GM is having us run gestalt characters, which I did not originally want to do, but now I figure, what the hell? Run a wizard/cleric gestalt and qualify for mystic theurge for 4th level? Also starting with 8 + 2 (Con) + 3 (toad familiar) + 3 (toughness) + 1 (favored class) for 17 starting hp? At 1st level? There's nothing wrong with that, right?

I dunno how to feel about this campaign. There are no official PF rules for gestalt so he's using the 3.5 ones. This is going to be weird. But hey before you call me a munchkin, I never powergame, at best I optimize suboptimal martial builds which is the biggest joke in existence. These guys run broke-ass characters in my games all the time. Now for a little payback... heh.

>>52411919

The big question is what are you gonna multiclass mystic theurge with, and how are you gonna avoid breaking the game over your knee

The reality of most /pfg/ apps is they suck dick

Granted, we're seeing more and more high quality ones as time goes on

Also learn to fucking shill and meme your character.

>>52411919
>worried about us calling you munchkin
hue

>>52411919
Dual progression PrCs don't work by default gestalt rules, you'd have to ask.

>>52411919
Mystic theurge and other "gestalt-lite" PrCs are explicitly banned in gestalt.

>>52411940
What are some apps you've seen that you think don't suck dick?

>>52411940
>Granted, we're seeing more and more high quality ones as time goes on

Is that a sign that people are improving or a sign that more people are applying?

>>52411940

This so bad.

Art is not a substitute for a good app.

Neither are fetishes.

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Currently, the single best way to use Spheres of Might's Boxing sphere is to dedicate your focus to it, and then ready a counter punch with a trivial trigger such as "the next time I blink, I will counter punch the enemy in my reach." The payoff is all the benefits of a counter punch, plus a flood of triggered Boxing talents.

This seems grossly unintentional.

>>52411940
>Also learn to fucking shill and meme your character.
>tfw you won't get in because you can't memeshill

>>52411974

I've gotten into games without meming.

Just get better. I agonized over some apps for a week or two before posting and did almost daily revisions.

Have you done the same?

>>52411861
Yes, the time I previously tried to simulate a storm I made all of them except the mast one.


I hoped there would have been some ways to make it more exciting. Well, not that I was able to think of anything.

anyway, thanks

>>52411946
>>52411947
Ahh now I see. Although I guess mystic theurge wouldn't even help technically speaking, because I am effectively starting out as one. I mostly just want it to have the class name on my character sheet. Combined casting would be nice but I can live without it. I will skip Mystic Theurge then.

>>52411934
I don't care much. I toyed with gestalt characters once and the game DID break and half of them weren't even caster builds. I tried four times to explain to the DM that gestalt is just even more broken but he would not listen, so now I want to break the game entirely (not to shit it up, I will hold back until I really need to) but I like being in control, maybe? I dunno, I've just never been a munchkin before and the idea of it is giving me a pathetic little stiffy.

Any ideas on what spells I should take? I won't be wearing armor so Mage Armor might be a nice one to have prepared. Color spray and sleep are both in my spellbook depending on the circumstance. Magic missile as well because I can never go without it. Rope trick is level 2, I have grease, and animate rope because it's always been my favorite. What cleric spells are best to prepare? I will need to heal until I get a wand but besides that? Command? Scare? It's been a while since I played a caster.

>>52411607
>The memiest game in town is SotJR and I'm pretty sure every one of them is either running, playing, or applying for several other /pfg/ games.
Is this true though? SwimmingEagle only runs the dragon games IIRC. Captain Slow and Disk have applied to a few, are they in any other than SotJR? I don't recall seeing Arehera, Delta, or Sappy applying to other stuff, but I may be wrong.

>>52411962
I like the doll girl for WWW, she's simple, solid, and appealing.

>>52411963
Either? Both? Does it matter?

>>52411964
Art is the thing that's least important
Unless you happen to be Vult and autistic I guess.

>>52411974
>>52411984
>>52411940
Bull fucking shit. I haven't memed my character once and I've got in plenty of games.

If you build your character right, others will flock to meme it for you. Shilling does nothing - /pfg/ isn't voting for your character, only the DM matters.

If you want to increase your chances, do something useful like suck up to the DM or do reviews of all the characters.

>>52411919
Gestalt rules explicitly call out and ban shit like the theurge, senpai. You'd be better off doing Sorcerer||Oracle or something like that if you wanted to have two tracks of spells.

>>52411984
I was just shitposting. I did do that actually and almost got in if it weren't for scheduling.

Nothing you can do about that.

>>52411974
Step up your meme game

If your memes are good enough, you won't even have to shill your character anymore. Others will shill for you.

>>52412026
Captain Slow was in HR and I believe just got into PLD? Arehera is also in HR, and was running RotJR PbPs, though those appear to have died.

t. Autism

>>52411770
Interesting, although doesn't Cavalry Sweep get crazy strong with maneuvers?

Also, the guy that did Wyvern Rider Dread here. Mind me copypastaing that stuff onto my document? I'll credit and link back to yours from there.

>>52412062
We /cabal/ now?

>>52412041
But that is the memeshilling game, creating a character appealing enough that you get others to meme and shill for you? That's like a guaranteed in.

You could also just give the DM a nice sloppy blowjob I guess

>>52412077
I'm just a lonely neet anon. Pity the neet.

>>52412048
Can't I just do cleric wizard normally though? I'm going to start out with broken utility right off the bat even without the PrC.

>>52412112
But then you MAD as fuck, boi

>>52412083
>creating a character appealing enough that you get others to meme and shill for you
That's the thing. You shouldn't NEED to prod others to shill your character. The shilling and meming doesn't actually DO anything. It's just a measure of how well you've made your character and how memorable it is.

If your character is impressive enough that others will meme it, it's going to be impressive enough that the GM will remember it and be more likely to pick it.

>>52412129
I mean its the same thing either way. Semantics at this point.

>>52412105
Wouldn't it be the NEETs that are getting into these games, since they have the time to play them? How many games run during normal work hours on weekdays?

>>52412112
Sorcerer and Oracle both have real features and are CHA based. Lunar Oracle, for example, nets you Change in place of Dex for AC, then with a feat you get Cha-to-init. THEN you take the animal companion and laugh your way to the bank.

You're no prepared caster, but you're still two somewhere casters.

Apps are a meme.

Look at HR.

Both 2hu and PLDgm got picked. PLDgm literally had a stand up comedy rountine as their app. No character sheet, no role, not even a personality, just literally "What's the deal with airline food? hurrdurrdurrrr" Then had the fucking gull to shit on everyone who applied to his game. At all, during session 1, did Alexa ever mention selling water filters or not to drink the water? Did anything that happened in that mess of a fucking sad shit tier faggotbait excuse for an app get brought up or mentioned at all?

And 2hu was guaranteed a slot without having to post an app. They did anyways, but even if he hadn't, he'd still be in.

People just want to play with their friends. The app process is a smoke screen.

>>52412066

It does get pretty strong, yeah. I'm not sure that's really a bad thing, as it does have big limitations (The dudes need to be right next to them/you need to be able to use strikes on a charge.)

Both of them more or less add 'An early level manuver's effects' to the charge.

Still, I will ponder it.

And sure, that is 100% ok. The more people working on fixing cavalry the better.

>>52412127
If I roll two 15s I'll be fine. I suppose I should be smart and go with oracle since I am guessing that's divine charisma-based but I don't want to because I'm a faggot. Good suggestion, though, and I'll keep it in mind in case my first character gets BTFO.

What's a good non-evil deity for a character who acts like a heel and plays it up for intimidating effect, but actually has a strong sense of honor?

>>52412180
>THE GOVERNMENTS CORRUPT! OPEN YOUR THIRD EYE!

>>52412180
To be fair HRgm got some serious fucking heat for their shittery

None of that shit happened with Dragons2 or HV or lots of other games.

>>52412191
>Rolled stats
>In a gestalt game

Jesus fuck I'm so sorry

>>52412197
Kurgess. You gotta have faces and heels for TALDOR SUPERSLAM 4717!

>>52412197

Erastil, tough love and all that.

>>52412129

Being meme'd is not a measure of app quality, it's a measure of how fat the tits of your character art are.

>>52412219
So...what if you're playing a man?

>>52412188

Yeah, having pondered if for like five seconds flat I realised it's open to abuse. Time to change up the wording!

>>52412197
Pharasma.

>>52412219
Was about to say Rory has no tits, then remembered shapeshifter. He could be nothing BUT tits if he wanted.

>>52412219
Objection!

Rinka is a rat, and has zero tits, and yet was a memed app.
Explain yourself.

>>52412240
Russian cultists.

>>52412240

DFC is also meme tier

>>52412240

The lack of tits is itself a presence of tits.

>>52412254
I believe it.

>>52412147
You're not getting it.

If you need to shill your character and force it as a meme, that means it's not good enough to stand on its own two rights.

It's like a cargo cult - people see apps that get picked being memed and think that being memed is why they're getting in - so they try to push their own characters in the thread. But that doesn't make the apps any better, it just fools them into thinking they've made themselves popular. Trying to shill your character is the opposite of making a good character.

>>52412219
How fat are Sigmund's tits?

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>>52412212
Erastil's a big Luddite! He fails to see the benefits of technology and kills us over it!

>>52412254
>>52412255
>>52412256
These are all acceptable reasons. Withdrawn your honor.

>>52412062
PbP is still alive.

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>>52412240

>>52412240
>Rinka is a rat, and has zero tits, and yet was a memed app.
no-one said it's a linear scale, anon. Or even a standard scale.

Flat is memeable, and so is fat tits. But if everyone is either massive or flat, then the one described with modest tits is going to work out well for memeability.

>>52412026
>>52412062
So the two most memed characters (Onryou and Valeriya) are only running other games and not applying to other games respectively. That's not at all what I was expecting. Interesting.

>>52412164
If you're a human you can get charisma to Fort saves as well, though admittedly it costs two feats (Racial Heritage (Kobold) and Kobold Confidence).

Take a level of Agent of the Grave and get Charisma in place of Con to HP.

You could get Charisma for AC, Reflex saves, Fortitude Saves, HP, initiative, and full arcane and divine casting. Lore Oracle can also get you charisma in place of Int for knowledge checks.

>>52412191
You could also do Cleric/Empyreral-blooded Sorcerer for double Wisdom casting.

>>52412219
>tfw only make dudes
>tfw only make gimmicks if they appeal to me, meaning nobody usually cares about them
>tfw rarely have pretty art
>tfw I got into a game

how does that work into your equation?

>>52412278
That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

>>52412262
The goal is to get into a game, not make the best app possible.

>>52412288
Perhaps they have reached a meme-saturation point, and couldn't intake more memes?

>>52412301
An exception doesn't disprove the rule.

>>52412302

That's what happens when your chest is flat!

>>52412303
And getting memed on isn't going to get you in.

A compelling app that fits the setting will, depending on the GM, be more likely to get into a game than an app that isn't compelling and doesn't fit the setting.

And a compelling app is less likely to be memed (unless it's so bad it's Doug)

>>52412254
Is SwimmingEagle under threat from russian gadget cultists

Is that why Rinka got in
Please Respond.

>>52412197
Ragathiel

>>52412267
He doesn't hate technology, just people relying on it and falling into the trap of consumerism and uncaring overcivilization that drains the life and purpose from man and devalues the family and community
I mean, he did tech mortals how to make bows and plows and stuff

Or are you saying you hate healthy and purposeful families and communities?

>>52412329
Has there ever been a memed app that wasn't successful?

Not a memes because of hate app like >ESPANGNOLL but like a memed app that failed to get in.

>>52412210
Lol. Like I said the GM does not understand how powerful gestalt classes are and likely doesn't even know what MAD is.

>>52412299
>You could also do Cleric/Empyreral-blooded Sorcerer for double Wisdom casting.

Okay that is really really tempting. Especially because I've wanted to play a dwarf caster for a long time..... should I do it, /tg/? I could be a holy avenger type.

>>52412066

Alright, fixed up the wording to make it a second charge attack with the same attack value rather than a replicated attack.

>>52412240
Quantity over size

>>52412361
>likely doesn't even know what MAD is.
>tfw I don't even know what MAD or SAD means.

>>52412367
please god no not this again

it hurt my soul enough last time.

>>52412385
Multiple Ability Dependent or Single Ability Dependent

if you need lots of high ability scores, you're MAD, if you need only 1 high ability score, you're SAD

>>52412337
Ragathiel, now that I think of it, actually works really well--tiefling kid defined by being deformed and asymmetrical sees that one missing wing and thinks "That's kind of like me," so he tries to be more like Ragathiel in turn.

>>52412354
Actually... No. Every single meme'd app got accepted.

Look at Gloriana and Sigmund. They were competing for the same spot. Vult even said that Sigmund is too much like Gloriana, but because they got memed, they both got in.

RORY got in. Let that sink in.

Fucking.

Rory.

>>52412354
Plenty. Most of DHB's characters had severe memestorms around them (some negative, but ostly positive) for instance. Onryou was also the only member of the Kaijitsu Force that actually made it into RotJR and while she was the posterchild for KF, the others had their fair share of memery.

>>52412411
>>52412385
Is it really going to matter that much, though, seeing as I am playing a caster anyway?

>>52412385
Mutiple Ability Dependency and Single Attribute Dependency.

Basically, MAD means you gotta have multiple decent stats at the very least for your char to work (example: Monk need Strength to hit, Dex for AC, Con to survive frontline, Wisdom for their ability, and Int for skill points)

SAD means you only need one single stat for your character to function. (example: Wizard only really need Int to function)

>>52412421
Any of those who got into Dragon games are bad examples, they were chosen at random (unless SE was saying that just to make people feel better).

>>52412361
>Holy avenger type
No, if you have an arcane fullcaster on the other side of a divine fullcaster you are locking yourself to the "unarmored caster" role. You cannot wear armor without invoking spell failure chance for your arcane spells unless you have a class feature to remove it, or you wear armor with NO SFC. That armor is usually light armor, and armor with a really shitty armor bonus.

>>52412424
I mean, you don't have much else to spend gold on anyway since >lmaospells, but it's far easier if you don't have to worry about trying to pump up multiple scores.

>>52412421
Lots of characters got memed on in RoTJR and not all of them made it.

Hell's Vengeance had some meming.

What other games were memed over?

>>52412301

Being meme'd doesn't mean you get into a game. Getting into a game doesn't mean you were meme'd

>>52412432
Rinka, Liozys, and I forget the other one didn't fit the theme of Team Roar. The "randomly picked" is likely a ruse.

>>52412354
Yeah be we forget the memes that don't make games because they aren't fueled by greentext and speculation so they fizzle out and die after selection.

>>52412027
Thanks, I like to think I worked pretty hard on the doll

>>52412337
Erastil is an old communist

>>52412463

The best apps take hard work and it is really obvious who worked hard and who just shit out some stream of consciousness tier bullshit

>>52412436
I didn't mean like paladin with sword, more envisioning a dwarf in vestements with a staff and jesus runes all around his head.

Yeah let me see what I roll for scores, if I get two 15+ I'll go with wizard/cleric, otherwise I'll try to slip in that empyreal sorcerer thing which actualyl sounds pretty cool. Thanks anons.

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>>52412437
>Lots of characters got memed on in RoTJR and not all of them made it.
More than expected made it in, at least. I still go back to the waiting room sometimes to peruse the old characters and relive the old memes.

>you will never teach the android what it means to live
>you will never teach the holy awoo what love is
>you will never bully R@ 1.0
why even live

>>52412487
The not!paladin duo would have been great.

>>52412472
Yeah, but communist in the commune sense.

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>>52412485
>mfw I felt like I worked hard on each of my apps and still never get selected

>>52412472
No, Communism means you can't enjoy the fruits of your labor, and the lazy good-for-nothings will just get a free ride and exploit the system.

Erastil is a Ostrumist Capitalist

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>>52412365
Ok, thanks
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hzKSdlXaDC_9BtInIUDOua9_Ws1OzycotQmsZAf4Dk4/edit#heading=h.nnz05ko1pz9n
Tell me if you'd have the link made in another way, just in case.
Using this oppportunity is also convenient to get more people to check my hombrew out.

>>52412583
Spoken like a good slave

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>>52412487
>>52412510
Remember the first reviewanon? Remember how fresh and new that concept was? Remember when even back then, Etan and Rubio got lumped together for an upcoming review, even if the Reviewanon never did that review?

>>52412558

It's embarrassing but share and we can review

>>52412583
You've never been on a commune then? Try to freeload and they'll kick you out.

>>52412669
Not him. But there's in point, worked on my shit for months, asked for critiques, nothing.

>>52412719
That's because most stable commune aren't actually communist, they're Ostrumist, like farming communes in Spain are.

Seriously, read some of Ostrum's works on "Governing the Commons"

So I was flipping through some of my splat books and found an option that really intrigues me. It's an Alchemist discovery called Syringe Stirge, which basically lets you create an autonomous bomb with +16 Stealth that you can sick on anyone you can "see", who it will hunt down and attempt to inject the bomb into. This seems like a prime subject for shenningans, and I'm looking at combining it with some kind of Divination or Illusion magic to get better range or stealth. Anyone else ever used this Discovery?

>>52412463
Your apps in general are sublime, anon!

>>52412583
Easy to tell everyone to do something when there is more demand for labor than there is supply
But as society progresses towards post-scarcity, that paradigm no longer works.

We either give in to Abadar who will rip all value out of your skin or we find a new way.

>>52412745

Let's see it then.

Let's see what's unappealing. Im offering reviews here, let's grow instead of grumbling.

>>52412745
>>52412558
If your best isn't working, you need to reconsider your approach.

While you shouldn't shill yourself, what you CAN do is beg and whore yourself out for reviews and edits. That's something that WILL give you advice.

>>52412888
There's no point in growing. My tastes are honestly too different from /pfg/ for me to get in.

I'm shit. Always will be shit. This general has finally gotten me to see that.

>>52412872
>post-scarcity,
People still believe this Star Trek meme?
Have fun when we all reach carrying capacity chump!

>>52412807
>that you can sick on anyone you can "see"
Are you sure about?

Looking on the SRD it says

>As a swift action, you can order one of your syringe stirges to attack an enemy it can see.

So you would have to do something to boost its line of sight, not your own. I'm not sure how you could do that, but theoretically if you gave it x-ray vision or such, it could see someone through a wall and then go after them.

As for ideas, the most simple is to put some kind of contact poison on your stirge before you send it off, preferably something that deals Con damage. The stirge will land, poison the target and then deal your bomb damage. Hopefully between the two that will be enough to kill them.

>>52412180
HR GM is also autistic by their own admission.

DEATH TO ALL BOURGEOIS
GET THE FINAL BLADE!

>>52412913

Felyndiira?

>>52412952
What does a drow priestess have to do with anything?

>>52412952
If it is, then the player's being whiny for nothing, since I gave them a private review.
Probably not them though. Might just be someone who's never written an app and wants to get some sympathy or make people who write good apps to feel bad.
>>52412913

If you have written an app, put up or shut up.

>>52412934
Yeah, who needs stability, law enforcement, or a centralized means to gathering resources together to create finished product in a manner that is rapidly consumable to to the proletariat and allows them to have a higher quality of life and be able to pursue gainful employ on their own.

Let's just stab each other for dwindling bread whilst bandits and poor management raid all the farms and silos. Surely there is nothing wrong with this.

>>52412995
dude roads lmao

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>>52412995
Conflict is merely chance to prove your strength.
We are all self-determining creatures.
And the sword is how we do it.

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>>52412180
Once again I'm so glad I have helpful people on 4chan to inform me of my motivations.

In the interest of doing my part to combat the hilarious amounts of misinformation that comes with the gossip ridden drama fest that is /pfg/ nowadays I will clarify a few points.

First of all, in the case of both 2hu and PLDgm I discussed their character concepts with them behind the scenes to elucidate on a few points. The app served its purpose of getting me interested, and while the app didn't have all the details in it let me reveal to you a little secret. This isn't a creative writing test, you don't get a fucking grade, this isn't some kind of weird meritocratic system by which you 'earn' a slot in a game. You get into games by making a character that the GM wants in their game, it's as simple as that.

Regarding PLDgm in particular, I had talked to them very little before they had submitted their character, and not all that much more during the application process.

Regarding 2hu, he would not have gotten in if he had not posted an app, and in fact if it weren't for the fact that I already knew about his character in full detail beforehand I likely wouldn't have accepted the app that he posted, due to it being a bit of a tire fire. Top tips kids, when you're suffering from hardcore writers block and are on a super strict deadline, don't choose that moment to write an app that's first person from the perspective of an NPC connected to your character. It doesn't work out.

>>52412952
Not me. I'm in two games.

>>52412913
Or you could stop whining and see what others think.