This is the best space marine chapter, prove me wrong anons.

>>52398075
I don't see Ultramarines there.

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>>52398126
Where's the proof of superiority?
Yeah, that's what I thought....

>>52398075
This isn't the Hanged.

>>52398075
Who're these douchebags?

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>>52398075
I don't have to prove you wrong. Canon already does.

>>52398075
But they get their asses handed to them fighting impossibles odds. Like over and over again.

I would have to say they are the most sympathetic chapter though, next to the Doom Eagles and the likes.

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>>52398075

>>52399102
Constant failure is why OP likes them more than Salamanders. It makes them more relatable for Lamenterfags.

>>52398075
>Plot twist: You Cant.
They can't be the best, because they have like one semi-successful campaign under their belt.

There are IG regiments with better track records.

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Any of you may be right, but it doesn't matter because Blood Ravens will steal the title of "Best" from whoever has it.

>>52398075
Hearts = Faggots

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>>52398075
Do I look like I care, you crybaby?

>>52398974
Didn't betray the Imperium and through their lot in with foul traitors for a start.

>>52399395
>says the guys who literally built a new imperium, with blackjack and ultras, during the heresy

>>52398075
Bettter chapters would be pragmatic, and not have their chapter be defined by glorious sacrifice, but rather, strive to protect those they cherish by surviving to continue to do so. Also, THE FLESH IS WEAK.

>>52399414
Done under far more extreme circumstances than not getting another chapter for their precious Maelstrom Warders.

>>52399480
>b-but
No, you betrayed the Emperor, truly the Imperial Fists are the best chapter.

>>52399608
The imperial fists acknowledge and respect the superiority of the ultramarines, however.

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>>52399635
What.

>>52399676
s'truth gov

>>52398075
I don't have to prove you wrong, they do it on their own.

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>>52399700
Where.

>>52399729
maybe once you step outside your comedy youtube show comfort zone you'll find it

>>52399764
>asked for evidence of statement
>can only provide ad hominem

Ultrafags in a nutshell.

>>52398075
They are Salamanders that set their standards too high, and had the misfortune of being part of the cursed founding. Are they sympathetic and relatable sure, but far from the best.

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>>52399261
Only if you can hold onto it.

I'm sorry but didn't the ultramarines have to save your ass from annihilation at the battle of the iron cage.
Even those who have seen ITEHATTSD knows that.

>>52399293

Wasn't there a thread where /tg/ attempted to flesh these guys out?

>>52398075

>>52399966
No, the Ultras forced themselves into a private Siege Legion thing like a bunch of bitches.

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>>52399069
>believing marketing hype
>mfw

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>>52400216
>He thinks it's marketing hype
Kek, their honor guard has more battle honors than individual companies.
>m-m-muh shitty chapter is worse than the Ultramarines ;_;
>They must be exaggerating! Yeah! That must be it because it makes me feel better about myself!
lmfao

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>>52399934

Dying in droves for moral superiority doesn't make them a good chapter it just makes them stupid and inefficient.

As an Imperial governor I'd rather have all the buildings destroyed by Black Templars as they crush the xenos over some idiot in yellow telling 1 of 6 billion farmers that everything will be fine as they make the fifth last stand today.

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>>52400288
>seriously expects us to buy spiritual liege bullshit
>mfw
Next, you'll be telling us about how supa speshul the grey knights are. Le sigh.
>>52400420
Oh, so, as Governor, you'd be ok with missing next year's tithe due to lack of manpower and infrastructure? Have fun with that........

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>>52400667
Losing a tithe over losing my entire population and getting higher ranking officials pissed at me thanks to shitty marines dying on my planet yes.

Also what the shit is this.

>>52398075
There are 3 chapters that go into this discussion
Blood Angels (Lamenter's daddies, so it's all good)
Imperial Fists
White Scars
Fuck anyone else, ESPECIALLY Ultrafaggots.
>Hey, i literally betrayed daddy and created my own Imperium, diverting precious resources and almost damning humanity
>Also i wasn't there when i was needed the most
>Naturally, this means i get to tell you, guys that were there, what to do

>>52400288
wew lad, that's some deep insecurity you have going on there, traitorous son of a traitorous xeno-serving primarch.

>>52400288
>banner of macragge is "our presence remakes the past"
>somehow thinks there isn't some in-verse historical revivalism going on

>>52400717
>he doesn't know what happens to governors who miss their tithe
And as for yer pic: captcha seems to be in a playful mood today - I've been searching for stop signs, too, anon. For this very post, no less!

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>>52400717
>>52400823
>Also what the shit is this.
it means that Kek wants you to stop posting faget

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>>52400288
>1 Battlecannon

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>>52400889
No.

>>52400288
>boring mary sue bullshit
whatever floats your boat, faggot

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>>52400730
>Only Primarch who didn't randomly fuck off after the Heresy
>Never drove into a freaky portal chasing some enemies like an absolute moron
>Only Primarch who actually knows how to run an interstellar rather than just bash things on the head real good
>First loyalist Primarch to get back in the game

How can lesser Legions even compete?

>>52401126
By not being boring as all hell?

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>>52401126
>How can lesser Legions even compete?
Erm, by not being xeno-loving cucks?
By not being traitorous fucks?
Also, there's only 1 Legion....

>>52400216
>takes the bait so hard it's violent

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>>52401221
>backpedaling so hard it's laughable

>>52401189
>Dark Angels
>Not Traitors
>Not having an entire race of xenos living in their floating gay nightclub

Top kek.

>>52398075
i wish i could paint well enough to make my Blood Angels into Lamenters :(

>>52401126
>>Only Primarch who didn't randomly fuck off after the Heresy
>because he got rekt into a coma
>>Never drove into a freaky portal chasing some enemies like an absolute moron
>because he got rekt into a coma
>>Only Primarch who actually knows how to run an interstellar rather than just bash things on the head real good
>because Dorn doesn't exist
>>First loyalist Primarch to get back in the game
This pissed me off so much. Lion was set up so hard to be the first one to return, and then they pull this shit.

>>52398075
You mean fucking retards who squander resources and get themselves killed to save expendable civilians who mean nothing to the Imperium in pointless heroics?

Civilians are expendable to the Imperium, acceptable losses. They are not worth saving, especially not at the expense of Astartes lives. Which is quite the literal expense. The Lamenters are nothing more than total failures, utterly compromised by emotion. The Emperor made Space Marines to save humanity, not humans.

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>>52398075
As a Lamenters player, I really wish some of our fans would chill out. We don't need to broadcast our loyalty from the mountaintops

the whole point of playing Lamenters is suffering in silence anyways

>>52401378
>t;piss colored edgelord

>>52401304
>compares treachery of others from 10,000 years ago to Primarch's deliberate treachery both then and now
Toppest of keks, senpai. Try to reed moar.

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>>52401378
>save humanity, not humans
It's adorable that you think you can have one without the other. Good luck with that.

>>52401189
I'm as big a lionfucker as any, but this is ironicposting to its maximum.

>>52401500

Space Marines are not an infinite resource. Saving Bumblefuck the Imperial Citizen looks good on paper, until the next Hive Fleet attacks and there is one less Space Marine to fight against it.

When you have 1million super soldiers to defend a galactic empire, you cannot spend them to protect individuals.
You have to pick your battles and sometimes, shelling 1000 refugees to preserve a Tactical squad is the smart move because they will contribute more in the future.

>>52401463
>The only Primarch who could lead the Imperium is a traitor

Top kek indeed. Lion El'Autismo couldn't even see treachery right in front of his face, meanwhile Guilliman is only living Primarch with any demonstrable capacity to lead the Imperium.

Also:

>Believe the Emperor is dead because of fuckhuge Warp storm blocking everything
>Try to continue his ideals anyway
>Drop everything and rush to Terra when you realize he's alive
>Force Horus to challenge Big E in person
>Lead and reorganize the Imperium throughout its darkest hour
>Fight for the Imperium until stabbed into stasis
>A traitor

Angelfag please.

>>52401904
>right in front of his face
Ya dun goofed right there. Luther commanded Caliban alone for years during the Crusade.

Sets up own Empire? Traitor!
Conveniently too late to save Emprah? Traitor!
Makes deals with xeno to stay alive? ARCH TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!
Just wait till he starts taking other chapters under his command.....oh my!
Planets have been purged for significantly less.

>>52398075
>get the ultrafaggots to do it
>1000 years later
>we closed the eye of terror and defeated all xenos, now what is our order?
>uh... relax?
>and next news in the imperium, the ultramarines have failed their first mission and was dishonorably discharged from the imperiums services

>>52401587
I agree, but that's why you have the Superman chapters like the Salamanders who save every last civilian all while taking zero losses themselves.

>>52402077
>get the ultrafaggits do it im busy
>1000 years later
>we saved the universe, now what?
>uh .. uhm .. what?
>have we failed you sire? You hesitate in giving us a new mission.
>i.. wait.. huh

>>52401500
Planets live or die based on whether there are enough space marines in the area to respond. When the Lamenters martyr themselves over a city then next week a hive world of 200 billion will perish because there were no Astartes to defend it. Lamenters are emotional faggots who can't see past the tears they weep for the death of random-Imperial-citizen#98663400123775884.

>>52402045
>Sets up own empire
Abandons it the moment he realizes the Emperor is alive

>Conveniently too lave to save the Emperor
Lion and Russ must be traitors too. And what about that shifty Corax faggot? And we can't leave out Vulcan.

>Makes deal with xeno
He was literally in a coma, he didn't make any deals at all. He just didn't flip out mid-battle against things that weren't fighting him.

>Other chapters under his command
He's already your duly-appointed Lord Commander, he doesn't need to think so small.

>>52402201
>Russ
>forced Magnus to join the enemy, thereby SIGNIFICANTLY weakening Imperium and strengthening Chaos
>not a traiot

>And what about that shifty Corax faggot?
You ARE aware that he severely delayed Horus' fleet by attacking their supply lines, and wasn't on Terra because his legion, which was already ill-equipped for a massive siege since they're specialized for hit an run, was crippled and Big E didn't want them all to die pointlessly?

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>>52398075
flesh/10

>>52402245
>Russ
>Told to kill Magnus by the guy the Big E appointed as his literal voice
>A traitor

Magnus please.

>Doesn't even try to excuse Lion El'Autismo

Kek.

>>52402612
>Doesn't even try to excuse Lion El'Autismo

Russ is still butthurt about Lion beating him in a fight?

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>>52402612
Ask me how i know you're a dogfucker.
>told by Big E to arrest him
>doesn't make the smallest attempt to question orders changed to kill his brother by a third party
>gleefully slaughters a loyalist legion and their civilian population and destroys priceless knowledge
Russ is garbage.

>Lion El'Autismo
That jaw still sting?

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>>52402891
Ultramarine player here, just enjoying my Primarch ruling the Imperium while your autistic faggot is still stuck in a rock.

>>52402975
See, I'm looking forward to more primarchs coming back and how they'll interact with Rowboat.

There's some bad blood there, might make for good storytelling.

>>52402975
I'm a Blood Angel, smurf.

>>52403004
>new Sanguinor model when?

>>52403129
Btw, wasn't there talk of Girlyman leaving the smurfs to create super space marines or some shit?

>>52403146
>He actually believes GW would squat their single most profitable line ever

>>52398981
TAKE THE KNOT!

>>52401403
It's not suffering in silence, it's serving the Imperium in silence. There is no suffering in our sacrifice

>>52403230
>He doesn't know....

>>52402149
So what happens when they are fighting on a hive world sacrificing themselves for the the random Imperial Citizens? I mean this is the Imperium, how many worlds can specifically claim the need for Astartes protection? There is almost always a bigger world or more important world somewhere that will need forces to defend it now or soon enough in the future. And those hive worlds will starve to death if enough agriworlds stop shipping supplies because they weren't important enough for space marines.

>>52402139

This. A truly heroic chapter is one with the skills and resources to save lives and win a strategic victory.

MMs just scrubs who throw around ends justify the means edginess to hide the fact they just suck at their job.

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Can't be the best chapter if your chapter is extinct. Sorry to say it lads.

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>>52398075
>"Traitors have been located my Lords. We will eradicate them."

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>>52404426
Bitch, please...

>>52404426
>be the High Lords' bitch

>>52404628
>or be a badass space pirate who are literally sharks in space

>>52404651
>not eradicating renegades and traitors with all the sweetest new tech

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>>52404426
>>52404628
>>52404651
>>52404694
>being a bunch of teamkilling faggots and priding yourselves on it

>>52404651
I like you, frater anon!
>>52404694
Who are the Mentor Legion?
And, poor bullmarines can't even ancient Greece as good as Iron Snakes! Their ONLY schtick is administratum buttbois...poor bullmarines!

>>52404651
>not being [more loyal than you] - the SM chapter
>not having the sweetest tech because of this
>unironically wants to be a madman on the fringe of heresy
I laugh at you

>>52401500
The Imperium is home to quadrillions of humans. Not even hundreds of billions matter, the reproduction rate should be so high that even hundreds of billions should be replaced in a matter of days by the turnover of babies and maturing youths. 40K is grandiose in scale that human life literally means nothing, even to the human race. Millions, billions, are expendable. It's why the Guard can practice human wave tactics with millions of soldiers and not run out of men. Their lives are worth less than the dirt they stand upon.

>>52398075
I've not seen that Power Armor in Fo4. Where can i find it?

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>>52398075
Objectively wrong.

For the correct answer, see pic related.

>>52404758
You drank the grimderp koolaid, friend. You may have wandered into the wrong thread...

>>52404843
Not an argument.

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Who would win /tg/? if Russ and Angron actually tried to kil eachother?

>>52404912
Didn't Angron have Russ dead to rights when they fought during the Heresy and Russ declared victory by "teaching Angron a lesson"?

>>52404820
this

>>52404902
>being this new
Ok, son, you win! If all the humans die, humanity will still be fine. Uh-huh, for sure, yeah.
I'm glad you stuck with this, you finally convinced me of how wrong I was...
THANK THE EMPEROR FOR YOU, BROTHER!

>>52405010
Do you not pay attention or are you just retarded? There are so many humans that losing an entire planet of them in one battle doesn't do anything, and the number will lost will be replaced almost instantly. Their lives are literally worthless. The only thing that matters is planets and humanity as a collective whole, not as individuals. So long as you have quadrillions of humans, you're perfectly OK.

>>52404943
Well, he did teach him a lesson almost every other primarch would understand, and work to make a change at. But he fought Angron, the guy whose biggest motivation is "Gotta kill so my brain doesn't get turned into even more jelly", so the results are as expected.

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>>52398075
My real answer is pre-heresy world eaters (even though they're a legion not a chapter)

>>52404943
Angron Leeroy Jenkins'd right into the middle of Russ's lines in the process, getting himself surrounded as his Legion went on a mindless rampage completely oblivious to tactics. Russ was trying to point out that mindlessly charging forward is a retarded battle strategy, but Angron didn't listen.

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>>52404758
It's more the principle of the matter anon.

The Lamenters exist to show two things about the warhammer 40k universe

>Heroes still exist that fight for selfless reasons

and

>What happens to them

Going "Hurr Lamenters is dumb" is missing the whole fucking point of why they're in the lore.

It's like seeing "whats the point of the IG? Just make all humans space marines" posted. Without the Guard, you have no comparison for all the insane shit you see and why being a regular Joe is a very bad thing.

Same thing with the Lamenters. Without a group of selfless heroes showing you what happens when you actually try to go all noble, there's not really any comparison to show why most of the Imperium is a cold, ruthless place.

There's a reason you see all the edgy and hardcore chapters hating them and fighting them. Without the Lamenters being quite literally bleeding hearts, you wouldn't really have any chapter to look down on as the Charcadons or Minotaurs. Essentially, you guys need us just like we need you sadistic bastards to show that there is still some good in the universe in spite of all the teamkilling assholes.

The Yin and the Yang, maintaining balance, all that other hippy dippy bullshit, yadda yadda yadda.

For point of reference the other space marine chapter I play is Black Templar, and my main army is IG anyways. I have a thing for painting armies that slowly drive me insane due to effort and difficulty so Lamenters were a perfect fit what with their suicide worthy handpainted chapter logo.

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>Actually save civilians without having 3/4 of your company die in a last stand.

>>52405273
>suicide worthy handpainted chapter logo
Erm...they have transfers, now, anon....

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NONE PURER!

DEATH TO XENOS
DEATH TO HERETICS
DEATH TO MUTANTS

AND MOST OF ALL
DEATH TO TRAITORS

>boy oh boy, do I hate using camouflage but I fucking HATE the traitors who would ally themselves with the tyrant that killed my chapter master (RIP in peace Ortys) SO FUCKIN MUCH that I would use that fucking cowardly camo just to FUCKING CRIPPLE their whole chapter during the Angstrom Incident

Red Scorpions for PUREST and therefore best chapter
especially given our FLAWLESS record of loyal service to the Imperium

btw I really wish the Inquisition would stop fucking investigating us and our PURE AND FLAWLESS geneseed! especially since we always come to the aid of those fuckers whenever shit is hitting the fan.

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>>52405330
>A few are taken by the "gods" - selected, after stringent genetic testing, by Chapter Apothecaries as potential future Marines. Because these recruits will have had no experience with their parent culture, the Chapter is all these recruits will know.

So Red Scorpion apothecaries also function as babysitters?

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THERE IS ONLY ONE CHAPTER OF MARINES WORTHY TO HAVE THE TITLE OF "GREATEST" AND IT IS THE ONE THAT HAS A REAL LIFE STATUE IN FRONT OF GAMES WORKSHOP HEADQUARTERS AND ISN'T A COMPLETE SAUSAGEFEST.

>>52401904
Still salty about the perfect city desu. But that's more the emps fault and girlyman got told to do it. Though Lorgar did say he knew rawbutt enjoyed watching him being humiliated. He was an ass at times, even worse than perturobot at times (Though I'm not 100%).

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>>52403230

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>>52405378
Probably more like doctors at a hospital while the chapter serfs (probably taken as recruits that failed the genetic testing but were considered pure enough to serve the chapter) would take care of the baby marines.

>>52404426
Minotaurs are that kid who just sat around at recess waiting for someone to break a rule so he could snitch on them

>>52405311
>Transfers

What.

WEHAT

>>52405430
>Lorgar did say he knew rawbutt enjoyed watching him being humiliated
I took that as Lorgar grasping at straws to hate Guilliman even though he was just doing his duty.

>>52405579
>declaring independence and seizing Imperial planets for yourself
>dude he's just breaking a couple rules, no big deal

>>52405273
Except Guardsmen exist because they're logistically superior to Space Marines, and Space Marines are a political pain in the ass. The problem with the Lamenters is that they're just fucking stupid in execution, and a setting that consistently sells itself as "Grimdark" should be devoid of any hope- that's what grimdarkness is.

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>>52405928
>Except Guardsmen exist because they're logistically superior to Space Marines, and Space Marines are a political pain in the ass. The problem with the Lamenters is that they're just fucking stupid in execution, and a setting that consistently sells itself as "Grimdark" should be devoid of any hope- that's what grimdarkness is.

And again, you miss what I'm talking about

this isn't about actual in lore logistics.

This is about having points of reference for the audience to compare things to.

For example, lets say the only human forces were space marines. A lot of the really crazy shit on the table suddenly doesn't have as much impact. A carnifex vs a space marine is kind of an "eh" feeling. Watching a guardsman fight a carnifex on the other hand lends a lot more weight because, well, odds are you'd be that guardsman, so it lends weight to the situation as you understand just how that guardsman feels.

And you miss the point I'm making with Lamenters as well. Just saying "and everything was grimdark, the end" is shitty storytelling. In order to have proper suffering, you need to have had hope, even just the slightest chance of it. This is what makes the Lamenters an important part of the background. They attempt to buck the status quo and save as many lives as possible. In most settings, this would make them big damn heroes that you get books written about. Here they get regarded with suspicion and made outcasts.

It's story telling 101, without it you just get fanfic tier garbage of everyone trying to out grimdark each other. Even in a setting as shitty to live in as 40k's, there would still be hope, heroes, even love and happiness. Part of what makes grimdark what it is though is just how mercilessly this can be crushed compared to most settings. Just saying "nope no hope whatsoever" is boring and gives you no real motivation for your characters whatsoever. Even guardsmen, the expendable mooks that they are, have hopes and dreams.

>>52406113
God those dudes are beyond fucked

>>52399996
They already are
They're dicks.

That's basically it. It's in all the fiction

>>52404750
They don't have the tech because they don't even need it.

They will rush you with combat knives and their slavshit MkV armor and you will die.

>>52401126
Regal dorm was also all of these besides the last part

>>52406272
Plus he's the only loyalist Primarch with a traitor Primarch kill.

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>>52404628
Fucking casuals.

>>52406546
sharks and polynesian swirls >>> bunny ears

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>>52406584
>bunny ears
World Eaters BTFO

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>>52398075
>Not wanting to purge all heretics with your kin.

For shame you faggot.

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Black Templars are and will forever be the superior chapter.

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>tfw all of you don't appreciate the knowledge of the warp
all inferior legions

>>52410097
Even Ahriman doesn't appreciate it. Demons always lie.

Dat Black Library on the other hand...

>>52410097
>Implying that Ahriman isn't the most naive character in the 40k universe. Magnus withstanding.

>>52404912
Angron wins. Only Horus (because plot) and perhaps Sangy in full on chimpmode could reasonably kill the red angel.

>>52404943
He did, and russ did try to teach a lesson that anybody less maddened by agony would have understood. In the personal fight yes. Angron had the wolf at his feet and moments from death. But the yiffs had Angron surrounded with enough firepower to put a primarch down while the world eaters where doing their thing without a care for their lord.

Angron had given his legion a terrible strength at the cost of all reason. Raw strength can still be beaten

>>52405043
>countless humans are born every day
>still takes at least 16 years to mature into an effective warrior
>can't force people to fuck
>worlds are often lost with their population

People are worthless but a viable hive-world is priceless and a planet that can naturally support human life is worth sacrificing chapters to preserve

>>52401126
He's a turncoat of the worst kind. He basically was ready to secede Ultramar from the Imperium at a moments. Price if he thought he could get away with it.

It boils down to this. He's a weapon pretending that he's not.

>>52410407
Moments notice

>>52406400
Guilliman killed the other one. Black Legion supplement confirms both Alpha Legion Primarchs are dead.

>>52410407
>He thinks being prepared is a bad thing
>He thinks Guilliman didn't rush to Terra as soon as he realized Emps was alive

>>52410482
Saving face is different than rushing to terra in the first place. It should have been his prerogative anyway. The capital world was more important than merely being the seat of the emperor. The astronamacan, the gene labs, the technology, the navigator houses, all of it.

>>52410215
>perhaps Sangy in full on chimpmode could reasonably kill the red angel
Lorgar specifically engaged in the shadow crusade to prevent Angron from dying since only he could kill Sangy 'when he fights with nothing left to lose'. My money's still on Angry Anderson.

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>>52406584
>implying surf bros can even hold a candle to the World Eaters

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...No one even mentioned the Astral Knights

>>52411339
Glorious motherfuckers...

>>52399395
>Didn't betray the Imperium
Tons of chapters did that.
>and through their lot in with foul traitors for a start.
What the hell is this supposed to mean?

>>52410583
> World Eaters
> Best legion
> Somehow one angry dude from their own ranks managed to single handedly destroy and break their Legion.

>>52413688

Well the World Eater existed for thousands of millenia, and were never defeated... until Kharn.

That gives us two conclusions

1) The World Eaters can't be destroyed by any other legion except by Kharn
2) The first conclusion just proves how much of a badass Kharn is.

Which leads us to the third conclusion

3) Kharn is the ultimate badass and one-man space marine legion.

>>52413727
Pretty sure that if you just randomly drop Kharn into the middle of a bunch of Blood Angels terminators, he is kinda gonna get murderized to death.

>>52413742
Oh yeah, they might kill him, but he will just keep coming back (he does that remember) until they are all dead.

> Pretty sure that if you just randomly drop Kharn into the middle of a bunch of Blood Angels terminators

They already did that, he killed them all. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kh%C3%A2rn

> Why the fuck is the Lexicanum listing Kharn as a Chaos Terminator?

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>>52411339
>Yóu did WHAT with that battle barge of yours? >:(

>>52410533
Primarchs were purpose built for the most part. Guilliman was supposed to be the careful, planning one. He did HIS job perfectly. He secured the continued stability of the Human race. He didn't recklessly rush to Terra because he isn't, and was never supposed to be, that person. Save that shit for Russ and Angron.

>>52410533
He should have just blindly charged into a fuckhuge Warp storm with no idea what was going on on the off-chance papa might not be dead, leaving one of the most prosperous and efficient subsections of the Imperium defenseless. That sounds like something Angron would do, not Guilliman.

>>52403129
Never BLbro, never...

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>>52405898
>nuking a city like a bitch
>not ransacking it while killing every living thing
0/10 shit primarch, shit legion

>>52406206
Wasn't there a theory that they're descendants of loyalist Iron Warriors?

>>52410440
>believing anything about the Alpha Legion

How do we know that they don't want us to just assume they're dead?

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>>52405434
>tfw I type this about 20 minutes from Warhammer World
>tfw it is fully within my power to break in, rescue the marine and post a pic of it in this thread before it 404s
>tfw too much of a pussy to do it
>tfw the emperor will never guide your hand

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>>52410041
>>52410096

>>52420420
save him anon, you're his only hope.

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>>52420454
The Emperor Protects.

>>52411339

Can't be the best if you're dead

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>>52405330
My battle-brother.

>>52405330
>Camo painted Raptor meets up with lone Red Scorpion
>"Brother, it seems both our squads have been wiped out. Let us rendezvous with-"
>"WHAT'S THAT? I HEAR WORDS BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING"
>"...Brother, please, this isn't the time to be-"
>"BOY I SURE WISH I KNEW WHO WAS TALKING TO ME RIGHT NOW"

>>52410407
Only illiterate memeing retards who hate the Ultramarines think Roboute established Imperium Secundus out of personal ambition. In Unremembered Empire he agonizes over the decision and only goes through with it when he had another Primarch to crown instead of himself. He thought Terra had fallen and the Emperor was dead.

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You may now only post ITT if you have your own empire, I'll start

>>52405330

Bet you're excited about that new IA book, huh?

>>52422281
>Only illiterate memeing retards
You mean most of 40k's fans, especially nowadays?

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>>52398075
Degenerates like you belong on a cross. Betraying the Imperium, then wasting your men on rescuing single civilians when you could be saving countless other by your actions through combat and crusade by purging Xeno filth righteously is the fault of none but your own.

>>52421545
That's what Sable Swords are for

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>Not being loveable Kharn who could stomp anyone apart from a primarch or maybe Sigismund in CQC.

Although maybe he could beat Omegon and the Khan in melee, thoughts tg?

>>52423293
Who dis? Give me a quick rundown?

>>52423308
wrong thread - you want the 40k general.

>>52423323
How quick do you want?

>>52423093
>tfw fine with Ultramarines getting all the spotlight
>tfw pissed beyond belief Red Scorpions are getting ANOTHER fucking IA volume, and getting a 30k level decal sheet while other chapters get discontinued transfers

>>52423323
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Angels_Penitent

If TL;DR then
>The Angels Resplendant were super artistic and had no Black Rage for several millenia and were Orange
>chapter master, 1st company, and most of the Librarius go on crusade, no one knows where they are now
>chapter civil war happened
>Trio of Chaplains known as the Council of Thorns now rule
>all art and expression banned
>became Angels Penitent, new colors and battle cry, "The Emperor Condemns!"
>self-mutilation and betrayal of battle brothers who cling to the 'old ways' and other things are practiced now
>extremely high death company numbers
If still TL;DR then
>were goody two-shoes average BA sucessors who liked art
>now Evil Vampire Knights who fight for the good guys and hate art

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>>52423437
tfw red scorpions player (vraks era red scorpions, so carab culln is a vet sergeant and ortys is my chapter master)

tfw still wish they would flesh the chapter out even more and add more named characters like more random sergeants or more unimportant dreadnoughts/other guys who manage to do heroic shit like tackle a carnifex and die heroically

I also love how they are literally loyalist emperors children, like i think they retroactively wrote the HH books to connects the emperors children with things the red scorpions do like "lord commander" titles and "only answering to the big E"

>>52423657
They are pretty rad. I do love the campaigns that Forgeworld puts out, really makes me want to play them.

>>52417419
>no time to waste. Getting shit done 24/7 on a shoestring budget. Nice =/= Right.

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>>52423739
Rad you say?

>>52423293
Patrician taste.

>>52423657
>literally loyalist emperors children
Literally no proof.

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>>52424151
sure its never explicitly stated, but you'd need to be really stupid to not be able to see the obvious writing on the wall after you reed the red scorpion lore and compare it to pre heresy emps children.

>>52424249
wew its late, I apologize for my spelling/grammar errors, i just reread that post and cringed hard

>>52424249
>we're, like, really arrogant and stuff
Wow, it all adds up! Loyalist EC confirmed!

>>52424277
I know your baiting but whatever I'll keep responding

>super sekrit gene seed that nobody is allowed to see because reasons

>Loads of apothecaries (emps children loved em, and had the greatest (traitor) apothecary ever)

>RS and EC are the only chapter/legions to call their captains commanders and lord commander

>Both love(d) being flawless and/or pure

>both love(d) mark IV armor

>extreme adherence to their combat doctrine and strategy guides, RS adhere to the codex astartes almost perfectly just like the EC were said to have followed rowboat girlyman's early combat doctrines even better than the ultramarines

like what more evidence do you want besides them outright stating that they were loyalist EC that became a chapter? They'd never do that because it would ruin the whole idea of secrecy about being descended from a traitor legion

>>52424464
All circumstantial. If I was on a jury I wouldn't convict.

>>52424565

>Judging 40k fluff by the criminal burden of proof rather than the civil burden of proof

You're doing it wrong. I'm not that anon but if what he said was true, I'd award them damages. Balance of probabilities, anon.

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>>52424464
>>RS and EC are the only chapter/legions to call their captains commanders and lord commander
U wot, m8?

>>52424565
why do you want to deny it so bad?
Like I don't get whats wrong with the idea of them being loyalist EC?


>>52424679
The lexicanum articles on both have sources and cite all the points I made

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Red_Scorpions
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor's_Children

I'd like to think that Judge Mathis (the best tv civil judge) would agree the Red Scorpions are most likely Emperor's Children successors too

>>52424790
>Like I don't get whats wrong with the idea of them being loyalist EC?
It's too 'speshul snowflake'.
>MY guys aren't some punk loyalist wimp chapter like all you other losers! MY chapter is hardcore badass traitor legionaires...who are good guys! Squeeeee!!
It's cringey and reeks of wannabe-edginess. It's also poor storytelling when the 'big hook' of the chapter is 'theys tha baddies!'

>>52424790
>why do you want to deny it so bad?
I was just curious about what evidence existed and didn't want to look it up myself.

>>52424772
when was there a DA that had the title "lord commander"; dont they use the title "Master"?

Though calling captains commanders isnt that unique, however the title of lord commander and always calling their company captains commander is specific to the RS and ES to the best of my knowledge

>>52422853
Remember when Girlyman was made Emperor of the Imperium Secundus? Oh wait, that was Sanguinius

>>52424887
He's Lord Commander of the entire Imperium now.

>>52424847
>its too special snowflake

>in 40k where the gray knights (cannon descended from loyal luna wolves) and ultramarines (lol our honor guard have more honors than any other entire chapter has)
>wanna-be edgyness

>when the blood angels, raven guard, and all their successors exist

being loyalist empra's kiddos is pretty tame as far as 40k lore goes, and all it does is serve to make them slightly more tied to the greater story of the heresy and modern 40k

>>52424939
How are the Raven Guard edgy? They just operate operationally and are bros with the IG.

>>52424772
Dark Angels use terms like "Master" and the like. Their Captains are "Company Masters" and their Chapter Master is the "Sumpreme Grandmaster of the Dark Angels." All DA successor Chapter Masters are also "Grandmasters," that owe fealty to whoever the master over the Dark Angels is. That's why their internal title is "Supreme Grandmaster."

>>52424975
yea you're right. I was thinking about raven guard successors in particular when i wrote that. Like the Space Sharks and such

>>52399293
Marines Malevolent are the best yellow Marines.

Not like OP's crybabies.

>>52401126
>>52402975
>>52422853
Hah, take your secessionist, xeno-loving action figure and go.

>>52402323
Smashfucker is the only thing that stops them from being boring as fuck.

>>52410041
>>52410096
As boring as their colour scheme.

>>52411339
Literally who.

>>52423293
Why are his belt and groin pixelated?

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>>52425396
but anon,
how do you feel about the purest and most loyal chapter?

>>52401904
To be fair, Guilliman is the only one capable of leading the Imperium because the system he set up before Fulgrim shanked him is so fucked all to hell that only the bureaucrat of the Primarchs or the Emperor himself could hope to properly un-fuck it now, short of taking it all apart and rebuilding from scratch.

>>52405330
Red Scorpions are implied to be from Emperor's Children stock, aren't they?

>>52405898
Nah, Guilliman could get pissy with his brothers just fine. He was pretty salty that he didn't get Warmaster, even though he privately also admitted that Horus was better suited (but of course Sanguinius was best).

>>52405898
Robby G could be an ass. See: Alpharius and "oh yeah, well, my legion has way more victories than you, so there" - which is, while true, incredibly childish in an argument. Should have stuck to criticisms of battle strategy instead of a "neener neener I was first" response.

>>52426544
There's no evidence.

>>52426596
>>52426544
theres a ton of evidence but no "proof"
see >>52424464

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>All these shit tier chapters
>No one posts the best chapter
>The chapter that has common sense, is practically incorruptible, is better at doing the grey knights job than the grey knights and whose third company captain is better at fucking up demons then Kaldor Draigo despite looking like a fucking ogryn.
You all have shit taste and you should feel ashamed.

>>52428284
With all the chaos shenanigans recently I hope they get some spotlight. Would be extra delicious

>>52424905
Girlyman confirmed for being emperors children

>>52428284
>is better at doing the grey knights job than the grey knights
cool stuff, i would like to hear more aobut this homebrew lore of yours

>>52428284
>Common sense
'We'll possess our Marines, giving their knowledge to the Daemons, then exercise them in order to make them immune to Chaos, this is pragmatic, practical and by no means could go wrong.'
>Better at doing the Grey Knight's job than the Grey Knights
Nice headcanon there.
>Better than Kaldor Draigo
As a Grey Knights fan, I hate Draigo, mostly because no, nobody's better than Kaldor at what he does, the dude goes above and beyond any sort of reason with his antics.

>>52398075
I like the DA. Their ancient tech, their ability to seemingly produce lost ancient tech, their Codex loophole where all their successor chapters are essentially a part of the whole, their tiny anti-chaos alien helpers that carry around their hats, The Lion, and green.

>>52429534
>t.salty grey knight

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>>52428876
You're right. They've switched numbers for some reason, even chapter banner still has number 3.

>>52399418
They were one of the Cursed Founding chapters though. Horrifically bad luck is part of what defines them as a chapter.