Could a full capacity Space Marine chapter single-handedly conquer

>>52355542
Does said chapter have all of its resources?

If so then the answer is yes. Incredibly Easily.

Again with this? People have been asking this stupid question since 1987.

The answer should be self evident if you look at the words space marine.

>>52355542
With fleet? probably Yes. Without, nope

>>52355542
Dude, a single full strength chapter of space marines can conquer an entire planet.

>>52355542
>conquer
umm...
>Occupy
Not enough manpower.
>Burn to the ground
oh yes.

>>52355542
With full fleet and air superority? Yes.

Otherwise, the US army will simply run them over with Abrams. Lots and lots of Abrams.

>>52355739
This. 100 units alone cannot possibly maintain control of the continental United States. Even in areas they conquered, there'd still be resistance and high degrees of loyalty to the original regime. They'd have to decimate the population and it's industrial capacity.

>>52355542
not even close lol, you're essentially asking if 1 chapter can take on an entire guard regiment.

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If they brought a battle barge, yes. If they just teleported into the middle of the country with just their ground vehicles/limited air support, the military could fuck them up. Autocannons are probably the best bet, they're fast enough tanks would miss more often than not, and anything short of a direct hit probably wouldn't work. Same with ATGMs, a direct hit would kill a space marine pretty easily, but getting a direct hit would be difficult to impossible. Autocannons though, they take apart marines pretty easily on the table top, and that's when they're being fired as some oversized crew served weapon, a Bushmaster would be fast enough to track them, and have enough killing power to put them down. Let alone something like those Shilkas the Russians like so much.

>>52355542
Only by virtue of having a ship capable of orbital bombardment (at which point the effectiveness of the marines is irrelevant, guardsmen with a ship capable of orbital bombardment could take over the US too). If they had no orbital weapons, and could only use their ship to make orbital drops of marines/tanks then no.

Space Marines aren't realistic, they wouldn't really be effective in real life because long range heavy ordnance exists. They only work in the setting because the setting says they work, much like the chainsword. Come to think of it, the chainsword should've been your first clue to their effectiveness.

>>52355542

Orbital bombardment, heretic.

>>52355811
Then again, considering how politically divided U.S. is at this age, I could see half the country trying to coup the governmental power. This would provide the chapter logistic and other need-to advantages.

But the devil is in the details in these kind of discussions.

>>52355942
>politically divided U.S. is

I'm gonna be frank, most of the U.S. is pretty silent and just wants to be left alone. The only ones who actually want to break off are loud mouths with no power what so ever.

As if you wouldn't just become compliant. I'd be up there asking if I can shine boots all day for free if they agree to not wipe my family off the face of fucking existence.

>>52355542
Space Marines could easily compromise nuclear security and burn the entire continent down with it's own weapons. You could technically call a radiated waste land conquered.

Terminators would just teleport into the oval office. It would be over in seconds.

With a fleet for orbital bombardment? yes.
Without one? no.
Too large and difficult of an area for ~1000 troops to hold effective lines, especially with its large military and armed populace. It would be like fighting ~100 million cultists/guardsman that didn't use human wave tactics.

>>52356049
The problem is that they wouldn't leave until compliance has achieved, it would just continue to escalate towards a full population purge.

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>>52355542
Do they have a strike cruiser? Yes duh

Do they have thunderhawks? They could probably high jack a few nukes, kill a few generals, and sink a few aircraft carrier s and force some sorta victory like a james bond movie villain. But they wouldn't last long untill Europe, China or Russia counter invalids.
Just tanks? They could roll through guys like isis in a single crusade, but America is way to big to drive through, plus we have planes and missles m8. Hellstrike missles are ap3. We have atleast ap3 stuff to shoot at them.

>>52355542
Yes? A battle barge alone could glass the planet given time.

>>52356005
A conquered land that isn't brimming with radioactive fallout has a name, guardsman. PRIME REBEL TERRITORY! Now load up those missiles, we've got future citizens to purify!

>>52355542
They could conquer it easily. Occupying it afterwards and ensuring compliance is a job for the Imperial guard.

Marines regularly conquer planets. You think they can't handle one country?

Fuck this quesrion, it's dumb. Let's get a better one.

An equal IG force in terms of men, tanks, and aircraft....BUT land with only 3 months of supplies and must scavenge after that. No WMDs on either side

The problem with this dumb ass question is that the people who made 40K stupidly put literal 20th century weapons in 40k. So we pretty much know exactly how powerful our weapons would be against space marines.

And since actual 40K equivalent autocannons are amongst the most ubiquitous heavy weapons on the planet, any given Earth army would absolutely annihilate a chapter of marines without orbital support. It wouldn't even be a contest. The more appropriate comparison is a space marine legion.

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>>52355967
> pretty silent and wants to be left alone.

The snake is a thing for a reason.

No.

"I brought you into this world; I can take you out of it."

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>>52355811

What's funny is that I'm pretty sure that pic related would be the ones sent to a job like this.

String up enough resistance fights and SJWs, and soon you either wear down the majority population or wear the majority of the population.

>>52355739
>>52355811
I think a chapter could conquer the US if they went smart about it and had time to prepare.
They could try stuff like
>assisting Russia or China in a militaristic takeover
>taking control of WMDs
>systematically assassinating all kinds of VIPs to suit your needs
>doing whatever it takes to get some of the population loyal to you

>>52355811
>implying you don't want them to conquer you

>>52355542
They can wipe out the military but they need troops, IG or chapter serfs to hold it for them

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The mehrens could do it, even without spacecraft, if they fought smart, and had good intelligence. Massing on an open field, screaming, "For the emperor!", and gunning down hordes of National Guardsmen like a super-cool 40k-style painting is obviously an immediate loss.

I'd go with Skynet's plan. A sudden surprise attack on the main nuclear command centers would probably succeed - they're surely well-guarded, but they're not ready for termies or jump packs. The marines gain control of as much of the nuclear arsenal as they can and launch the rest at Russia. Techmarines could probably accomplish this if the attack was quick and successful. The Russian counterstrike decimates the USA, leaves the military confused, demoralized, and under-supplied.

The theatre is now much more to the marines' liking. They're far better equipped for radiological hazards than we are, and they have a coherent plan while we have no clue at all what just hit us. The Emprah's faithful servants subvert or cow any remaining leadership, and liquidate any leadership that resists. Over the next few years, they gradually restore order to the chaos they created.

>>52355542
yes
the steel rain would barge down on our enemies like the fury of the emperor made manifest
no military camp could prepare for such brilliant battle plans
then the population will be exterminated house-to-house for worshipping false deities or even worse, denying the light of the emperor
only dedicated 40k fanatics stand a chance of convincing us that they worship the god emperor of mankind. They shall be allowed to rebuild.

>>52355658

This is the most accurate post.
A space marine couldn't handle a TOW missile.

We got lotsa missiles.

>>52356039
This.
Have we forgotten how space marines are supposed to cut the head of the enemy forces?.
That said, it is no different to the great crusade; the space marines destroy the heavily guarded headquarters while Imperial Army holds its own against the planet military.
Which easily answers the question. A full chapter could destroy any government, but conquering entire countries would usually require the assistance of the imperial guard, short of laying destruction with orbital bombardment.

>>52357021
>assisting Russia and China in a military take-over.

So completely overhauling their military logistics system and having them build a fuckhuge navy and airforce? One of the most annoying things most "invade the americas" scenerios forget is the sheer logistical nightmare it would be, especially post WW2 when the US navy is just straight up ridiculous and bloated beyond all reason. You're talking a nation that has a surface fleet arguably capable of taking on the entirety of the world's navies at once and possibly surviving. Landing would be Overlord times 10, supplying it to conquer the 4th largest nation by landmass and 3rd by population? God Emperor preserve us all, not fucking worth it. It's like invading Russia but first you have to cross a fucking ocean and the cossacks have pipebombs and are meth.

inb4 said chapter was Black Templars or Spess Yiffs

>>52357166
Meant to say "are ON meth" but fuck it, it kinda fits. Especially for the Florida campaigns

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>>52355684
>Dude, a single full strength chapter of space marines can conquer an entire planet.
lol
>land area of earth: 148,940,000 km2
>population of spacemarine chapter: 1000
>space marine density in earth occupation: 1 marine per 148,940km2
>marines stationed to the state of texas: 4
>population of texas: 27 million

>>52356402
Equal to what? The US military as a whole? Either way, the IG would stomp 10/10. Probably would even outnumbered. Your average Guard unit is trained to fight giant mushrooms created for war, fanatical lunatics with actual gods on their side, and Emperor-knows what else. Attacking the US would be a walk in the park for a IG invasion force; they'd be forced to capitulate before the three months are up.

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>>52355542
>>52355542
>Could a full capacity Space Marine chapter single-handedly conquer the Continental United States of America with its current military capabilities?

>population of space marine chapter: 1000
>US nuclear arsenal: 7000
>nuclear missiles per space marine: 7

>>52357274
>IG are well trained meme

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>>52355542

I want to remind you that in the Grey Kngihts omnibus a squad of 10 grey knights got badly bruised lost one battle brother and had to retreat when facing 150-200 cultists with knives,swords and clubs.
Let that sink in for a minute.

>>52357166
We are talking about a fully equipped chapter here that had enough time to prepare
Take some Alpha Group dudes to assist you in simultaneously taking over WMDs, wreck havoc all over US defenses and assassinate high ranking officials. When the invasion starts use their superior mobility to respond to any serious threats to the Russian navy. Assist the Russian black ops and covert operators in any way possible.
It's doable imo

>>52355747
Maybe not run over, since Space Marines are quite capable at tearing the hatches off a tank and killing the crew.

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It'd basically be the scenario in the Uber: Invasion comics. Initially the US would suffer heavy losses in both lives and resources, along with most of the leadership and main population centers being taken out. Then, once a strategy could be worked out and a front created, the marines would be whittled down by attrition and specialized strikes.

But then who would win, a space marine or an Uber Panzermensch?

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>>52357300
Better trained than Reservist Joe and his weekend of service a year.

>>52357311
>since Space Marines are quite capable at tearing the hatches off a tank and killing the crew.
no they cant. even if they could, the other five abramns behind that one will kill the nigger trying to melee a tank.

japanese tried to kill tanks with melee, it didnt work out for them. they just died to the tanks covering each other.

>>52357302
>grey knights
Lol

>>52355684
That's always been a case of telling, not showing.

>>52357265
drop pods crash down on all major millitary installations and centres of political power and take them out.

>>52357331
Of course they can, did it against a Tau devilfish/skyray in a book.

What do you think they're doing when they're destroying a tank in melee? Punching it?

>>52357307
I'm admittedly ignoring WMDs because shit gets messy when you ivolve them, mostly just saying that the logistics of supplying even a single modern army across either ocean is something only the US has really bothered to build their military around. Russia and Chinda focus on projection over nearby land, China doesn't even have much of a blue water navy of note. Not talking out of jingoism, just intense armchair rage over how mucj shipping you'd need to supply, coordinate, and protect. SM chapters have to supply the equivalent of a division at most when operating at full tilt, they're not gonna be supplying entire armies. Lighting strikes might devastate the opposing forces but occupatuon would be soul-suckingly painful to sustain. Again, fuck that noise. Not worth it. There's a reason the Guard exists, and it's for this shit.

>>52357347
US deploys multiple nuclear mines on each base.
the second marines appear, they nuke, killing all the marines.

a single apache helicopter can carry 16 hellfire missiles. each hellfire will kill a marine.

>>52357395
a bolter can take out a helicopter and is faster to aim

>>52357383
I agree with you. Russia has a defensive navy and could never make it even halfway through the ocean.
But in this scenario the Marines level the playing field so that they can make it across. WMDs are a necessity though. Remove MAD and replace it with a 100% one sided NUTS and it's doable.

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>>52357409
>a bolter can take out a helicopter and is faster to aim

>>52357417
It's like you think all the marines can do is stand out in the open to get shot at. Is that what real soldiers do?

One marine could drop into a base and destroy every helicopter and soldier stationed there before a single one could lift off the ground.

>>52357453
Well, maybe a single Terminator.

Isn't landraider ridiculously op by itself? He could rampage all the way through.

>>52357409
>memeing this hard

Attack helicopters are designed expressly to engage armored ground targets with heavy weapons while sitting out of range of return fire. That's literally the whole design impetus behind every attack helicopter produced since the late 1970s.

>>52355542
A full capacity Space Marine chapter can single-handedly conquer the planet Earth with its current military capabilities. Without breaking into a sweat.

>>52357453
>One marine could drop into a base and destroy every helicopter and soldier stationed there before a single one could lift off the ground.

>marine droppods to army base
>pod is detected 20 miles above ground by radar
>patriot missiles launch to intercept the drop pod.
>drop pod + 10 marines are dead

its like you think the US military is just standing in the open to get shot at.

>>52357501
>>patriot missiles launch to intercept the drop pod.

nuculear missiles wouldnt do the job, let alone conventional means,

>>52357477
Okay, helicopter turns up, looks around, can't find marine. Can't do anything. Don't want to go in closer and get shot. Fire a few missiles in the general area the marine might be even though shrapnel will do nothing to him. Leave or call for support.

Wow, good work helicopter.

>>52357513
you think that a patriot missile cannot kill a drop pod as it enters the atmosphere?

the entire purpose of the patriot missile is to kill things the size of drop pods entering the atmosphere. additionally, the army base can just have helicopters spread out over several miles, one drop pod cant kill them all before they take off and murder rape the marines with hellfires.

>>52357520
why do you think a apache cant see a space marine?

>>52357541
Same reason it could see a soldier. He's not standing out in the open or trying to look at the helicopter at all times as if that would give him some immediate advantage.

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>>52357513

>>52357533
drops pods are made of futuristic "fuck you" materials

a space marine could survive sustained continuous nucleaur bombardment from modern capacities

>>52357556
THAAD would be like throwing a paper airplane at a tank, the strength is just insufficient. Direct blasts to the head wouldnt even strain the neck.

Let's see what the head of the 40K IP has to say about this (skip to 5:40):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X8dB8648VI

With EASE, fellas, With ease.

>>52357520
Jesus Christ. You know helicopters have extremely powerful sensor suites so they can find shit that's hiding, right?

It's like you have no idea how military hardware in the real world actually works.

I love 40K and Space Marines with all my heart. I really do. But, they're poorly considered fiction. Comparing them to real world militaries only makes them look weak and the person making the comparison look childish.

>>52357369
But what if the marine has a power fist?

>>52357575
>THAAD would be like throwing a paper airplane at a tank
drop pods are like what... AV12? AV11?
have you even played the game?

>a space marine could survive sustained continuous nucleaur bombardment from modern capacities
lol youre just a nigger troll now.

>>52357484
>100 Marines vs 7 billion people

yeah, alright man. try not to strain yourself thinking about how retarded that statement was. Even if we decided not to use any sort of long-range missile, drone, aircraft, battleship, or literally anything more dangerous than a rock, the 7 billion WOULD STILL FUCKING WIN

>>52357555
>Same reason it could see a soldier. He's not standing out in the open or trying to look at the helicopter at all times as if that would give him some immediate advantage.
space marines are blue metal things the size of a small car. they are not hiding from anything.

>>52357614
>In the grim, dark future of the 21st century, no structures or walls are built higher than a small car.

>>52357614
This is flat-out wrong.

Space marines come in a variety if colors, not just blue.

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>>52357614
>blue
triggered

>itt: sweaty mouthbreathers fail to realize that even made-up embelishments of fake technology by GW fluff-artists fall hilariously short of actual modern military equipment

The number one element of this entire conflict would be range. Current ballistic missiles are fast enough, strong enough, and smart enough to tag your chapter of Pauldroned Mary Sues out of the air mid-jump from miles and miles away, while literally all Space Marine weaponry needs to be aimed and fired line-of-sight.

The critical weakness of a Space Marine chapter is that it doesn't matter how strong they are. They're so eye-catching and loud, with their big stompy power armor and jet packs and big fucking guns, that a real army wouldn't even need to engage them. Once we have satellite imagery of them, just blast them into pieces with pinpoint precision.

And before a legion of neck-bearded super experts in the ways of Space Marinery jump up my ass, I don't give half a fuck about your monetized fanfiction in which so-and-so of the Thunder Dick Chapter (your personal favorite) single handedly destroyed 3,000,000 apache helicopters with his left nipple. GW is a great big pile of "Tell, don't Show" and contradicts itself at every turn. You people are worse than the retards who think pro wrestling is real.

>>52357295
Even if the US spent only a tenth of their nukes, heck, a hundredth, it'd be enough to reduce their own country to a radioactive mess. The best outcome for the US is a pyrrhic victory.

>>52357575
>>52357609
Nuke according to anon: S2 AP5 Small Blast

2 companies of Blood Angels have conquered entire planet by slaughtering 1 hve city, rest of the planet just gave up.

Battle Barge can wipe out entire continents without using exterminatus weapons.

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>>52357626
>in the grim darkness of the future, space marines cannot leave buildings because apache helicopters would rape them to death in an obscene orgy of gore. thus they sit in those building and wait to be fucked to death by artillery and JDAMs

>>52357626
In the grim dark present of the [current year] No structures exist higher than ground ground level that can

A.) provide enough clearance for those big, stupid, superfluous pauldrons to fit through the doors

AND

B.) support the weight of their big, stupid, superfluous pauldrons.

>>52357609
game stats aren't canon

>>52357613
subjugating entire planets is what they do

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>>52357662

>>52357666
>game stats aren't canon
but the monetized fanfiction is?

>subjugating entire planets is what they do
once again, Told, not Shown. This is a universe that tells us that the same people who "subjugate planets" can be brought down by a bunch of cultists with clubs and rocks.

>>52357659
What are jump packs.
what are devastator marines with lascannons, flakk missiles, grav guns, and heavy bolters.
what are assault cannons that regularly take down terminator armor at extremely high rpm.

I'm not saying one chapter could take a country, but this whole "marines get hard-countered by a single helicopter" idea is really fucking dumb.

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>>52357659
Pictured: How to deal with an apache in one easy step. Power armor and gene manipulation not required.

for those of you that think a space marine can hide from airborne hunter killers: you need to educate yourselves on how insane modern avionics are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1NrFZddihQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0btzIvlScI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIwAOupjMeM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSMNOaZVFaA

>>52357710
This is exactly what
>>52357639
was referring to.

Did you know the US military lost a grand total of 19 helicopter gunships over 16 years of continuous warfare? Of course you didn't.

>>52357613
>yeah, alright man. try not to strain yourself thinking about how retarded that statement was.
welcome to 40K, anon. this has been part of the fluff since at least 3E. you think that's retarded? welcome to 40K.

>>52357614
>Space Marines
>trying to hide
generally: no

>>52355542
>space marine can be killed with a bayonet from a guardsmen
>can 1000 men whose armor can be pierced by a knife take over a country as large and with as large millitary as the united states
i dont think so friend

>>52357686
>everything said about the history of various official chapters is a lie!
you're starting to sound tin-foil hat anon. single chapters can subjugate entire subsectors, that is the official fluff. choose to discount it if you like, the fluff will remain in spite of your bitchy whining.

A full chapter? No, that's not what they're for. With intel, they could certainly cut off the head of command, take some key installations, but I don't think they'd be able to conquer, or even just wipe out the population. To take over the US they'd need to be supporting Imperial Guard regiments. In that case, I'd give it to the Imperium even without orbital support. Nukes would fuck shit up, for certain, but the Guard could answer with Deathstrikes.

Now a Space Marine Legion? It'd be ogre. We'd just have to hope it wasn't World Eaters or Night Lords.

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>>52357746
thank you for your valuable opinion. now back to fluff.

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>>52357762
>single chapters can subjugate entire subsectors
lol

1000 guys can control 100s of billions of people over hundreds of light years doesnt make any sense at all.

it doesnt make any sense. but some fapfiction said so? therefore you believe it like some kind of religous fundamentalist studying the bible.

>>52357778
weird, i dont recall anywhere in the op saying fluff only

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>>52357710
Oh, and as a follow on to >>52357738:
The reason the Mi-24s faired so poorly against a bunch of cave dwelling ragheads with MANPADS is because the Soviets designed the fucking things before shoulder launched head seeking missiles were really a thing. So, they had a major flaw which made them uniquely vulnerable to Stingers that didn't become apparent until they were getting blown out of the sky by a bunch of literal cavemen. Not exactly representative of attack helicopter design standards.

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>space marines get trapped in a building by apache helicopters, snipers, tanks, f35s, c130s, and ATGMs.
>this happens to them.

>>52357817
>implyimg that SM don't have their own air force

No. Destroy, yes, but for actual conquest you're going to need more manpower than that, no matter how good your supersoldiers are.

>>52357817
what was that? an artillery bombardment?

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>>52357790
>doesnt make any sense at all.
>it doesnt make any sense.
welcome to the wonderful world of 40K, newfriend

>but some fapfiction said so? therefore you believe it like some kind of religous fundamentalist studying the bible.
why would you need fapfiction when you have the 5E codex?

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>>52357827
They don't have their own air force. They have a few aircraft to support ground operations.

Pic related. It's half the people in this stupid thread.

They could take out entire military installations by drop podding a few squads into them and just start tearing it apart, or orbital bombard it, same with all essential goverment. They could cripple the entire US military and goverment on day one with multiple, devastating, deep strikes. The codex astartes names this manouvre steel rehn.

>>52357828
all you need is fear and superstition

>>52357835
They have their own fuck huge space ships.

>>52357850
Yeah, but we're discussing a case when they don't have access to or aren't using orbital support. Obviously, if they can shoot stuff from space they win without putting a foot on the ground since Earth can't do shit about that.

>>52357801
>head seeking missiles

Ragheads literally 360 noscoping Russian choppers.

>>52357834
>IT JUST WERKS

Once again with the Telling instead of Showing.
Who, exactly, executed these 1 in three citizens in a single year?

Someone do the math on this. Let's imagine that to execute a citizen takes 1 space marine 2 full seconds (that's just the execution, mind you. We're not even counting the time needed to walk up the that citizen, or more likely, to get into your ship, warm up the ol' gellar field generator, and move through the warp to the planet next door) to shoot one traitorous heretic.

Even if there are multiple cases of the Marines just saying fuck it and bombarding a planet from orbit, if they kill civilians in any way other than this, with the tens of billions involved, it sounds pretty fucking far-fetched to kill 1 in 3 humans living in that large an area in that little time.

Long story short, your vague, edgy excerpt is a pile of bullshit and does not in any way explain how a Space Marine chapter actually goes about DOING all the cool shit you say they do.

>>52357855
That's basically the point of space marines. They can fight you from space, orbital bombardments and insertions.

Sure the they don't have and airforce, but neither will the US if the first thing the SM do is deepstriking into whatever major airforce base they have.

>>52357873
>Once again with the Telling instead of Showing.
>Long story short, your vague, edgy excerpt is a pile of bullshit
once again, welcome to 40K. however, it's the official fluff, therefore infinitely more relevant than your opinion.

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>>52357889
Of course that's the point of space marines. But that renders whole thread moot, since they can just bomb the whole continent into submission from orbit. As some anon above pointed out, that doesn't even require space marines. Anybody who had access to space ships with guns could do it. Even space marines, anon.

>>52357900
>Some guys wrote an edgy story that 14 year olds with no friends will take very seriously

You're right anon, that's a very good reason for >>52357873 to take leave of his senses.

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>>52357873
im pretty sure that all the space marine "history" is basically tall tales tier retardation. its basically the same thing as fighter pilots in wwii who claim more kills than the enemy even has planes.

considering how retarded, autocratic, superstitious, and zealotous the imperium is, i think the only explaination for the SM fluff is just pure propaganda.

its all lies.

>>52357889
We've been over this. There is an entire network of defenses designed SPECIFICALLY to destroy objects the size of SM drop pods in the air well before they have the opportunity to deepstrike anything.

Also "Whatever major airforce base" in this case is more than just two or three. There simply aren't enough Marines in a chapter to actually neutralize the entire military arsenal of the USA. They're kind of nuts about their weaponry.

Also, I don't have any actual evidence, of course, but if any of you seriously believe that the US military has no countermeasures for an orbital weapons platform, you're even more retarded than you already seem, and arguing that fantasy mutants with 5 hearts with big stompy boots can defeat the total situational omniscience of modern aircraft/satellite communication and ultra-precision remote controlled ordinance hasn't helped that.

>>52357900
So your opinion is literally
>it's bullshit but I believe it

Sorry, but "IT'S CANON" doesn't make it an actual point in your favor. All you prove is that, canonically, Space Marines are inconsistently capable of doing whatever the clack-jawed neckbeard behind the keyboard says they can do.

And hey, if that's the case, then all you have to do is type "Space Marines Won" and I guess it'll be canon.

>>52357265
If we count serfs and orbital support then I can believe it.

>>52355843
To which the answer is yes. easily.

>>52355542
A full capacity COMPANY could do it. according to the fluff.

>>52357265
Read the damn fluff. If a SINGLE IG Russ can conquer a hive city, what do you think a Predator could do? And do you really think the population of Texas would REMAIN 27 million after a chapter had rolled through?

>>52357912
well, you got it backwards. I am mocking you, like every other 40K grognard would, for trying to marry the 40K universe and common sense.

>>52357995
>a SINGLE IG Russ
is inferior to an abramns tank

>>52357556
I'm all for pointing out where 40K needs to rethink its tech but a warhead free missile is not going to cut it, if it would it would have happened in universe.
That said this really comes down to the space fleet threatening to wipe out any resistance from the beginning and Terminater raids on important targets until the US can't coordinate any response then field the Scouts and some fast moving units to police problem areas. The rest of the character would be kept in reserve for when they're needed not allowed to play me too because someone to argue their effectiveness.
At what point do we consider the US to be conquered? That's the real debate that matters.

>>52357331
Were those Japs power-armoured, genehanced giant killing machines? Nope thought not.
ITT 'AMERICA FUCK YEAH!' retards who HAVEN'T READ THE FLUFF.

>>52357944
>it's bullshit
yeah. that is 40K in a nutshell, for those who didnt pay attention.

>but I believe it
i accept it. that is something entirely different.

>>52355843
Are you kidding? IG would eat shit against modern military. It's been retread time and again, but the specs provided for their tanks are literal garbage compared to modern armor piercing ordinance.

It isn't even a contest. We've got fighter pilots zipping around at mach-speeds with perfect spheres of IR imaging, radar unlike anything an IG grunt can even comprehend, and stealth technology that means no IG force could be prepared to man weapons that could theoretically hit the broad side of the fighter's nose before it's come and gone.

40k writers, and by extension their fans, don't understand that an army of legions marching in ranks no longer fucking works in a world where Air Superiority is a thing. Any IG regiment would be instantly pulped en masse because they are a big fucking target for an unimaginable arsenal of weaponry that can be fired without even being in its target's line of sight.

Without ever being on the same fucking continent.

A big army with a lot guys with a lot of guns and tanks is nothing but a target-rich environment. It doesn't matter what made-up super armor you're wrapped in.

>>52358012
so they take a shot from the main gun instead of .30cal. instagib

>>52358010
>I'm all for pointing out where 40K needs to rethink its tech but a warhead free missile is not going to cut it
>kinetic energy penetrator going mach 8 cant kill av 12 or whatever drop pods are
lol

>>52358018
Just as long as you recognize that believing that your imaginary army is capable of hypothetically besting a real-world superpower based on some fat autist printing "They died because we killed them, the end" in a magazine for a tabletop game is a really, REALLY sad thing.

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>>52358025
here is an example of what happens to ranked inftantry in the real world

Let's say they're working in mixed half companies of 50. That's 20 lots of 50.

BAM. There goes 20 armouries, power grids, military installations, water plants, highways, bridges, command posts, etc.

30 minutes later they've been picked up and redeployed and..

BAM

There goes another 20 high value targets

30 minutes later

BAM There goes..

they do this for 3 days then all of a sudden 5 million guardsmen land to hold the bombed out craters of the cities the Astartes have left behind.

>>52357331
Yeah, but that's 10 marines to a Squad, and now all your Abrhams are trying to shoot each other to get a gene enhanced dickhead from chewing through the hatch.

>>52358068
What's picking them up? What's dropping them off?

Nothing, because an F-35 popped the transport before it could reach its destination. The Marines probably survived the crash, but now they're on foot and there are already several waves of heavy ordinance moments away from firey impact.

Funny how easy it is to take apart some vague assumption that this absolutely integral element of your plan is a guarantee, isn't it?

It's probably also worth mentioning that aside from carrier groups the US navy also has a substantial amount of submarines, both with icbms and without. The entire purpose of which was to respond to the mainland's defences being wiped out in a massive strike

>>52355542
depends if a burned down field counts as a conquered field. If so yes.

>>52358089
>inb4 some asshat coming in with a piece of fluff saying, without explaining FUCKING HOW, that Space Marines are actually the universe's greatest swimmers, and can doggy paddle in full armor faster than any nuclear submarine can maneuver

It's like trying to tell a child that his everything-proof shield can't actually top him from being hit by a car.

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yes.

>It's a /k/ autist gets angry fantasy super soldiers from 40,000 years into the future can beat his modern day jarheads.

It's like clockwork, they'll mention nukes, then mention "Conventional Warfare" then mention the Forgeworld stats ignoring every other instance on how that is simply not how the 40k shit works.

Want to know the facts? The SM chapter sits in space, and scans the infastructure of the United States, Finds it's weaknesses and rapidly deploys to counter all major military threats while also attacking the white house. They then, depending on the chapter, either force a surrender or they eat the brains of the higher command, get the launch codes and fire nukes at hotspots before boarding their thunderhawks and flying off again.

>>52358103
It's more like having to hammer home to /k/ retards that the SM have no threat from ICBM Submarines because the US military won't fire attacks on it's own people and service just to stop an invading force.

>>52358079
thats fine, the US army can trade marines for abrams all day long and win.

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40k is really fucking sad desu

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>>52358129
losing 300 people to literally nothing is really fucking sad desu

>>52357873
Well, yes. Except the legit story where a Dark Angels company take on and kick the everloving fuck out of a modern military with "primitive" helos and scramjets during the Great Crusade.

>>52358126
Well; how many Abrams does the American military have?

One lost battle by the US will mean the Space marines have bought more time to fan out and redeploy.

>>52358129
>Supersonic jet with no armor
>Is almost matched by a flying brick with a nuke cannon.

>>52358132
what does a operation in the 40s have to do with the discussion we are having now??
>nothing im just a nigger shitposter
yes you are

>>52358088
There's no f35s left after hard military targets like airfields have been mass-drivered from orbit. And if there are then pilot barracks just got fucking imploded by a drop pod landing through the roof full of flamer tacticals.

>>52358129
One is a dropship, the other is a fighter. Now if the C-130 did 2410 km/h max, I'd be impressed.

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>>52358141
>waaaa my 3rd world nation isn't pathetic, stop ruining my fantasies reeeeeeeeee

cry more pablo

>>52358106
That was an asymetrical war, americas only weakness
Also, the reason america lost wasn't because of the military, it was because the anti war political machine was ramped up as fucking high as it goes and the majority of american citizens didn't want to have there children go off and get killed in some random country in bumfuck who knows where asia.
Also because nixon was a stupid motherfucker and escalated the war for literally no reason

>>52358141
What does Inaccurate stats posted by FW have to do with things like Land Raiders surviving crawling along the floor of the Ocean and literal mini-sun weapons.

Hell, if it's the Space wolf chapter, I give the American military exactly 24 hours before it's systematically smashed apart.

12 if it's Grimnar's greatcompany.

>>52355811
>They'd have to decimate the population and it's industrial capacity.
This is EXACTLY what SMs do when they assault a world.
I also think everyone in this thread is WAY exaggerating the "fighting spirit" of American people, like they are some breed apart from humanity. They would fold up and do as told just like anyone else that found their entire world smashed to rubble by a conquering force.

>>52358088
Are you forgetting that the F-35 is a massive failure that cannot into aerial combat because of shitty avionics?

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>>52358139
>Well; how many Abrams does the American military have?
thousands

>>52358117
That's because a /k/tard would legit nuke the domestic populace of the US because "muh freedoms". Those guys are almost as bad as /pol/.

>>52358161
And how many are usually stationed in a Garrison at once?

How many are in long term storage.

>>52358153
>What does Inaccurate stats posted by FW
ONLY THE FLUFF I DECLARE TO BE ACCURATE IS ACCURATE

>>52358172
>And how many are usually stationed in a Garrison at once?
A few handfuls in active service.
>How many are in long term storage.
The vast majority.
You know parts for abrams are actually a pain in the ass to get? It would take a week of a nationwide effort to get every continental abrams currently mothballed combat worthy.
Also, >>52358117
/thread

>>52358186
>Land Raider supposed to be worse armoured than a modern day tank
>Survives Nuclear blasts with utter ease, crushing pressures of underwater and futuristic weapons such as high powered lasers, Balls of Sun-hot Plasma and microwave guns.

>>52358197
ONLY THE FLUFF I DECLARE TO BE ACCURATE IS ACCURATE.

THE STORIES FROM A FANATICAL TOTALITARIAN REGIME ARE 100% ACCURATE AND ARE NOT PROPAGANDA IN ANY WAY!

>>52358186
>the numbers put out years ago that conflict with literally 30 years of setting description on the capabilities of weapons and armor is right because it is a convenient strawman for me to beat

>>52358207
THE GOVERNMENT OF THE IMPERIUM OF MAN WOULD NEVER LIE TO ME!

>>52358206
>implying that every piece of lore and written material in the history of 40k when it comes to weaponry and equipment is "propaganda" when it serves my own argument, even tho that line was officially dropped 15 years ago

I think you all forgot that SM are not typical soldiers but elite force for special missions(like destroy enemy hq) or to break the heaviest resistance points.
Astartes have their own space fleet with have means to destroy the world, their own vehicles(tanks, planes, artilery etc), also many of them have more than 100 years expirience in all kind of warfare.
Marines are not dumb "charge this fortidfications", they are using tatics because they know that enemy outnumber them.

>>52358206
>>52358212

>All your sources are lies
>Just this one single bit of fluff is correct, and only this.

>>52358221
NORTH KOREANS HAVE THE BEST ARMY IN THE WORLD BECAUSE THEIR GOVERNMENT TELLS THEM SO. IT MUST BE TRUE!

>>52358197
You forgot that LR can fight without crew.

>chapter fleet bombs the US of A to shit
>but muh helicpoters
gg no re

>>52355542
>Could a full capacity Space Marine chapter single-handedly conquer the Continental United States of America with its current military capabilities?
no, they dont have enough bullets

>>52357021
But anon, any tactics other than charging into melee is heresy ;)

>it's an AMERICA FUCK YEAH vs 40ktards thread

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friendly reminder a single kenyan conquered america twice.

1000 aryan gods would do it easily.

>>52358270
Don't SM battlebarges have huge assed forges and shit?

the basic problem of this thread is people taking 40K even semi-seriously to begin with. it's not to be taken seriously (and therefore you can't seriously compare marines to the USA military) because it's retarded teenage-tier fantasy. but it's fun!

>>52358036
You do realise that there is over 20,000 years of R&D between now and the Age of Technology right? Arguing that the IoM doesn't have counters to modern technology is like me saying >>52357723 doesn't even mention aerodynamic technology, lol their planes can't fly!
We have to accept that not every detail has been explained, drop pods and power armour probably have better stealth technology than modern aircraft but no one talks about it because by the standards of the setting it doesn't matter.

>>52358418
This. You might as well pit Droopy against the army. One side was simply never designed to make any sort of sense in any way that matters, just work because it's funny or cool, details be damned.

>>52355542
Conquer? Yes. I'm not up to date, but the capability of a single Marine is probably equal to a single company. As a group, they'll probably crush any resistance before it even forms. Missiles might be a good way to counter-attack, but I think that even a glancing hit wouldn't stop one. Killing them would require a decisive battle.

>This weapon could kill marines, and we have thousands of it.
>Nu-uh marines wouldn't stand still. They teleport behind/inside the airbase/missile silo/whitehouse bunker and say 'Psh, nothing personel kid', and kill/destroy it all before it's used.
>Well, marines can also be killed this other way and we have plenty of it.
>Nu uh! Marines are more awesomer and they'll kill you and my dad can beat your dead

This is literally this whole thread.

We don't know what a marine is like because Game Workshop is shitty when offering comparisons. But think of a Marine armor as a Main battle Tank armor. So a Marine would be a smaller tank that moves like usain bolt.

Scary? yes.
Unkillable with our current methods? No, not by a fair margin.

Could 1000 of those defeated the whole armed potential of the continental united states? No.

For one, there are more than a thousand military bases and if we divide the invading force in squads of 5, they can only take care of about 200 bases before having to physically move to the next, during which time they are juicy targets for carpet bombing, TOW missiles, heavy artillery, Nukes, C-130s canon, attack helicopters, air to ground missiles. All things that can easily evaporate tanks. Not to mention long range missile support from tomahawks and naval artillery.

Serious you autist 40kids, it can be done outside your masturbation fantasy.

>>52357533
Drop pods are specifically made to hit land so quickly that they can't be intercepted, though. That's why you turn to paste if you're in one without power armour.

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How would modern Earth do versus a DE raid?

>>52358577
Why is /k/ always so mad about everything?

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>>52358676

>>52358657
Fast and unexpected attack from multiple vectors, by superior sadistic army..
Well cities they raid are fucked.

>>52357331
>Meanwhile, in Finland, Russian tanks get picked off one by one with troops on skis with rifles and potent alcohol.

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>>52358736
>post purge russia = modern USA

>>52358577
>lol 40k autists and their wank fantasy
>my wank fantasy is totally better

>>52358703
the argument is, that marines wouldn't even bother to land on this planet and bomb everything to shit.

>>52355542
The answer always boils down to:
>Do we consider logic and realism the primary source?
Then no.
>Do we consider the 40k canon as the primary source?
Then yes.

Trying to pretend the two are compatible doesn't work because GW has never seriously tried to make 40k even remotely grounded or even consistent, it runs off the power of plot.

>people using armour thickness argument vs 40k tanks
They are made of 40k super plasteel not fucking modern materials.

>>52358900
/thread

>>52358577
And who the fuck is coordinating this, moron? The thing you fuckers don't seem to understand is that the first thing the Marines would do is teleport Terminator squads into the White House, Pentagon, etc. and obiliterate central command in a wave of bolter fire. After eating their brains they'd have full knowledge of US military installations and nuclear sites, meanwhile all the average military base knows is central hasn't said anything and holy shit why are there seven foot blue giants suddenly in the middle of-

Then launch nukes at anything too dangerous. Obiliterate oil pipelines, power grids, rail lines, interstates. Force any survivors to spend all their time trying to control the panicked, power-less, hungry population. Modern infrastructure is obscenely vulnerable to a few dozen guys with guns and some basic knowledge, much less a thousand super humans with orbital support and teleportation capabilities.

>>52355542

Based on 40k fluff and crunch I could come up with thousands of pieces of evidence to go either way. Anyone else could also do the same, making the entire discussion pointless and non-constructive.

As such, people shouldjust pick the result that seems to make more logical sense to them. For me, that is that bio-engineered superhumans with future tech could defeat the USA pretty easily, that a landraider easily outclasses an Abrams, and that someone at GW not understanding the thicknesses of IRL tank armour and writing a retarded statistic is simply an unfortunate mistake.

If you'd rather be in the opposite camp, go ahead.

>>52357383
This, plus Space Marines would never stoop to being little more than garrison forces, even during the Crusade, when the emperor requested it, they still didn't want to do it.
That's what the guard is for. But with just the chapter, and assuming no ships since their basically WMD level weapons, no they would eventually eat it by attrition.

>>52357817
>>52357833
It looks like a GRAD strike with an airstrike thrown in at the end

>>52359150
At least you admit that it the result you 'want' to believe in, rather than bitch and moan about how it's the only result that makes sense.

I, for one, am surprised that no one is considering the justice league. Superman alone would make short work of a space marine chapter.

>>52358328
But anon, what if the invading chapter are the Salamanders?

>>52357602
So shit farmers in third world countries using old soviet hardware can counter helicopters, but elite transhuman death machines couldn't?

For arguments sake would there be a reason they wouldn't eliminate this asset first?

>>52357659
I bought flak missiles for 25pts

>>52357801
>>52357738
https://youtu.be/fQSLMepv0k0

US made Super Cobra vs a cold war era Igla.

>Space marine Terminator Squad teleports into the White house
>America surrenders in 3 mins.

Man, I wonder how buttmad /k/ gets about the 3 min War in Half-life.

Combine did the exact same tactic.

>>52361144
Basically.

I mean shit, as we are currently, we can maybe last like two or three hours tops, because of all the contingencies we have in the event of the big guy getting ganked. But by the third or forth president getting sworn in, we'd probably be realizing how futile it is. Not to mention, they're literal demigods in armor that shrugs off rockets. We'd be pretty fucked, my dude.

>>52357790
It's less actively control and more impending threat of "So help me if you fuck this up or step out of line I will come here and turn this whole system into a meat grinder and erase the remains of your heretic ass from galaxy."

>>52359094
They don't even need to eat their brains.

If it is a full Chapter, the marines have Librarians.
I doubt that the USA has any battlefield psykers available, and as for the mental conditioning of senior officers and politicians to resist psychic interrogation...

>>52358197
Most modern vehicles can survive a nuclear explosion from a surprisingly close distance. One of the considerations during the Cold War was that tactical nukes would actually be relatively inefficient for dealing with a Red Army offensive, unless their vehicles were still in their staging points.

>>52359458
>Superman alone would make short work of a space marine chapter.
Ah-ha! But Superman is weak to magic, and the space marines have psykers.

>>52358167
/k/ is well aware that nukes would most likely not be used if collateral damage would mean significant civilian casualties. this argument pops up any time insurgency or civil war is mentioned

>>52355542
What a stupid question. You've clearly not read any 40k lore.

>>52355542
>Thread full of idiots who have never read 40k lore

Space Marine chapters wage war on civilisations who outnumber them thousands of times over by surgically removing the command structure and leadership of the enemy in one strike.

It would go a little like this. Space Marines would drop-pod into the pentagon, the white house, and any other location of stategic military importance. Quickly crush any resistence, take the president hostage, along with any other high-ranking military personell they come across. Force the United States to surrender.

It would literally be over within an hour, and this is supported by established 40k canon. This is how they fight wars.

>>52362303
I wouldn't be surprised if there was some secret project that linked a million lobster brains into a single bioweapon that could remotely stop a human heart in a 1000 km radius. It's something the Americans would do.

>>52357081
Terminators could. Besides TOW missiles against people isn't efficient by any means, tanks aren't able to run through building, crouch, or actively take cover. Even then what about land raiders?

>>52361144
This is exactly how it would go. This thread is full of people who have never opened a 40k novel before.

>>52355542
Go off the actual numbers GW provides? No

Go off how they are described in lore and narrative.. easily

>>52358053
What am I looking at, small caliber artillery bombardment?

>>52357081
A tow missile to take out one marine, though? Thats not even considering termies, jump marines and the fact that their standard assault weapons include a giant chainsaw capable of tearing through armor and a gun that shoots explosive rounds...

Wed give marines a hell of a fight but theres no way we could win. Even with our nuclear arsenal, it would take all our weapons and then some to take on a pure infantry army alone.

>>52363027
This is assuming they fight a traditional ground war

>>52362911
>It would literally be over within an hour, and this is supported by established 40k canon. This is how they fight wars.

The problem is that "established 40k canon" is retarded, and that decapitation strikes don't exactly have a proven good record of success, especially when it's in place of a conventional assault as opposed to just replacing it.

>>52363132
If holding them hostage doesn't work, they'd just kill them and send some teleporting Terminators to take nuclear silos. Space Marines are very adaptable.

>>52355542
>they get their spaceships
Sure.
>they don't
No, even 10,000 or 100,000 SMs couldn't pull that off. They are marginally more effective than regular soldiers and they're fucking idiots with regard to how they conduct warfare.

>>52357520
I sexually identify as an attack helicopter and find this offensive.

>>52357265
>Conquering means standing spread out over the planet's entire land surface area, including deserts, jungles and mountains where fuck all lives.
Cool story bro.

>>52363206
>Space Marines
>Marginally more effective

What have you been smoking? Astartes are consistently portrayed as being worth hundreds to thousands of human soldiers. Each. And that's before their equipment and technological advantages.

>>52355542
No

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>>52363206
>"They are marginally more effective than regular soldiers"
>Ignoring every tidbit of established fluff this hard

M8 one marine could conquer those retarded cockwombles
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vam59exeNuA

>>52363360
Not him but, even if a single Space Marine is equivalent to 1,000 US Marine infantry, that doesn't really matter given the rules of conventional warfare. They would have no chance of winning without their orbital support.

That said, Space Marines don't fucking operate without orbital support because that's the whole point of being SPACE Marines so it's a moot point.

TL;DR They wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning a straight up, head-to-head, guns blazing fight, but they also wouldn't have to. We would be surrendered under terms in 2 hours.

>>52355542
It's roughly 1500 US army people (Got the numbers from Wikipedia, no idea if it's fighting men or includes non-combatant military support staff etc.) per Space Marine, which are pretty bad odds considering we've got some relatively high powered weapons at our disposal. Space Marines do start dying when you kill them.

>>52363206
Seeing as how single renegade marines have taken over whole planets no reason why not
Just get into DC and smash into the legislature kill a lot to prove you can and the rest will fall in to line - Americans aren't special they would be just like the French Vichy

>>52363477
Marines aren't retarded. Even without space support they could easily take an entire city hostage, blow up interstate routes and railroads, eliminate power lines and oil pipelines. Librarians can spirit walk to seek out important shit and spy on enemy movements. Local knowledge is just a bite of brain away. Modern infrastructure is obscenely vulnerable - destroying a few dams, power lines, and bridges would paralyze the entire country. Well within their power.

>>52355542
Space Marine fleet moves into orbit. Knocks out all of our communications satellites, melta torpedoes our reinforced underground nuke shelters, siege cannons our air bases and missile defense silos, teleports Terminator strike squads into our government command facilities. In 40 minutes we've been defeated and only about half a company of Marines even had to get their hands dirty.

>>52363603
Without space support they won't make it to the ground. We can vaporize drop pods hilariously easy.

>>52363638
You realize Drop Pods are built to counter sensors far in excess of our own, right? Necrons don't end every battle by shooting them out of the sky.

I mean, the Tau are able to run the Imperium (Space Marines included) ragged with a basic understanding of maneuver warfare. Kauyon is basically that, going by how it actually plays out. A simple elastic defense is enough to give a battle company pause. Not to mention the setting as a whole doesn't actually integrate aircraft into land battles very much, and the USA is all about that.

The USA is pretty good at menuver warfare, and is entering into the realm of network-centric warfare, which is what Kauyon is supposed to be (but really isn't, going by its depiction), plus a lot of other stuff that doesn't fit into Tau grand strategy - which as I've said already runs the Imperium ragged. The Imperium needs to leverage numbers (including the Guard) to really conquer an enemy like the Tau, which they haven't been able to do yet. The USA would be even more difficult on the battlefield, and the Space Marine chapter would explicitly lack the ability to leverage numbers.

But then there are also times when a single space marine can conquer an entire industrialized planet with a knife and his acid spit, so what the fuck do I know.

>>52363728
That's because the battle barges blow the everloving bejeesuz out of any anti-ballistic missile defenses surface-side with weaponry that's on an apocalyptic planet-destroying scale we can't even imagine.

>ISIS: 20,000-35,000 dune coons hiding out in the desert
>No air support, stolen armor only
>America can't beat them after three years of fighting

>Space Marine Chapter: 1000 superhumans
>Make ISIS look moderate
>Futuristic weaponry, literal magic powers, invulnerable to anything less than heavy weapons
>Space support

Is this even supposed to be a contest?

>>52355542
A tactical squad could take on the entire US Military, barring nuclear weapons.

>>52363804
Not all the time. Drop Pods almost always get through regardless. Imagining US tech is anything close is laughable.

>>52363876
>Comparing a foreign conflict to a domestic one

>>52363969
>Thinking Marines wouldn't smash ISIS in an hour

>>52358151

skin to skin? Holding the baby? $40? to hold your own baby?

lol

>>52355542
Yes.

>it's an americans get a boner episode

>>52364035
I didn't say they wouldn't. My point was that the US haven't defeated ISIS because it's not like they've deployed their entire military to do so. But an attack on American soil would be treated very differently.

>>52364043
pretty sure it means they patch up the mother after cutting her open

>>52364125
>Implying Marines retarded enough to let that happen
>Implying C&C wouldn't be totally destroyed within minutes
>Implying they couldn't cripple America's infrastructure in an hour
>Implying teleporting Terminators wouldn't be able to seize the nuclear arsenal

Anon

>>52363915
and in the fluff they launch decoy pods too iirc

>>52356402
Modern weapons are shit the IG would cream themselves over. They'd suffer staggering casualties (to the point where operations of any kind are completely untenable) in the first round of bombardment and air strikes alone.

>>52358137
Which book was this?

>>52364418
guard would wreck any contemporary force

>>52362378
Damn...That's a very valid point. So I think the only solution here for the US to triumph is to allow the Ghost Rider to drawn the rage of the Space Marines psyker before deploying superman.

>>52364462
The Guard has no defense against cruise missiles and would never be able to gain air superiority

>>52364418
That's incredibly stupid, both that you think modern tech is better than 40k's or that the Guard is ever dissuaded by casualties.

>>52364527
I'm not talking about dissuaded by casualties, i'm talking completely wiped out by tomahawks and smart artillery.

Not to mention the laughable idea that fighters using guns would be able to even oppose BVRM equipped ones

>>52364503
>deploy hydras

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>>52357330
>trained to act to be well-aware of their surrounding, listen to their commander, and overall help their squad mates
>rely on steady tactics to maximize killing while reducing casualties

vs

>here's your lasgun, here's your flak armor, charge at the enemy or i'll put a lasbolt in your head

In all honesty, only the IG special forces and certain specialty regiments act similar to modern day forces. The rest act like fucking WW2 Russian grunts with WW1-2 era tanks that had sci-fi crap slapped on it.

>>52364640
>here's your lasgun, here's your flak armor, charge at the enemy or i'll put a lasbolt in your head
that's not IG, IG are experienced career soldiers

>>52364591
>flak guns against high altitude multi role fighters
That's cute

>>52364670
depend the regiments.

>>52364671
hydra autocannons are very long ranged and pretty much won't fail bringing enemy aircraft down

living metal necron ships or super fast eldar ships can both be easily wrecked by them

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Christ this thread is an embarrassment. All this "muh invicible muhreens" is hilariously disgusting.

First of all, how many of you remember Guard being described as The Sledgehammer and Marines as the scalpel? 1000 Marines are going to do some serious damage but they're not going to just face melt a couple million dudes with better than Guard equipment.

>Artillery
Yeah m8. Know how Earthshakers and Russ demolisher cannons love eating Marines for breakfast? Care to take a guess what type of weaponry Americans still love to toss into any fucking military structure? You guessed it, large caliber boom boom makers.

>Air Power
Oh yeah, remember that thing that America is literally the best at? We fuckin' LOVE dropping bombs on motherfuckers. I also hate to tell you this but JDAMs are hilariously more effective than artillery when you compare blast to blast. Lets skim past how many fucking autocannon toting airfames we have in both helicopter and jet form.

And more fucking im-po-HORT-antly. The winner of any mother fucking war:
>Logistics
The reason why Americans are good at what they fucking do is because they have the ability to move whatever the fuck they need to where ever the fuck they need it. Your Space Marines still have to be supplied from somewhere, and if this thread is any inkling of how you people imagine this going down, the Chapter Quartermaster is going to look at a map of 1,000 marines individually drop podded all across the continental United States and then slowly reach for his bolt pistol.

OH NO, your magical never missing insta kill a bio-titan flak missile of Wardian myth dropped 5 Apaches, well good thing we have 40 more. Oh you have thunderhawks? We literally have enough AIM-9s (and I mean the AIM-9 alone) stocked to shoot down every plane currently in the world let alone a dozen ships, accounting for miss rates.

>>5236457>>52364640
Laughable. Not only does the Guard have space superiority (and consequent lack of satellite data for the US) it has its own aircraft, Hydras, Deathstrike Missiles, and billions of bodies.

The vaunted US air power can't wipe out a bunch of primitive fanatics like ISIS, much less the vast ranks of the guard.

>>52364723
The long and short of it folks, the marines cant supply and recoup losses without massing at a foodhold, and the second they do, that foothold would get bombed/shell/cannoned into oblivion.

Frankly, the marines wouldn't even take the job in the first place, that's how untenable it is.

>>52364723
>Shells fired by Earthshakers have been known to cause craters fifteen meters in diameter and obliterate infantry in an instant.
do american weapons do the same and at which range?

>>52364733
Anti missile systems completely neuter Deathstrikes

>>52364780
just like anti missile systems completely neuter nukes lol

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>>52364770
>15m
Craterage isnt important, High Velocity Shrapnel is important. See attached for a tiny 120mm rocket though, it scales up nicely when you go for 120mm mortars, 155mm howitzers or even the 227mm rockets
>obliterate infantry in an instant
Artillery does not kill you slowly over the span of 9 years like /tg/ will.

>>52364733
>comparing a situation where th USAF isn't completely committed to on where it would be
Look up the Highway of Death

don't Space Marines usually bombard a planet from orbit before ever landing on it? Are we talking strictly ground wwarfare here? more importantly, are we really going to pretend that orks won't 'ear 'bout dis rumble an give everyone a propper krumpin?

>>52364723
You are hilariously dumb.

>Artillery

Why the fuck would the Marines be standing still for it? They'll be in amongst your soldiers or civilians, where they shine. And they have orbital artillery to call down on you.

>Air Power

Top kek, US airpower is hilariously overrated. Failed in Vietnam, failed in Afghanistan, failed in Iraq. Will somehow succeed against much smarter, much more powerful opponents.

>Logistics

Motherfucker do you have any idea how few spots Marines need to send a teleporting Terminator squad to in order to throw the US into complete choas? What's the army going to do when the president and entire central command have been obliterated in the opening minute, half the rivers in the country are flooding, the interstate's fucked over, there's no electricity, and half the fucking population is in a panicked riot? And that's assuming they don't just send a Terminator squad to jack a missile silo and nuke half the country.

>>52364739
Marines can teleport, you unbelievable dumbass.

>>52357302

Grey Knights themselves have stated that they're not really space marines.

>>52364828
complete obliteration is rather different than some shrapnel and their rate of fire is immense

>>52364831
That literally couldn't stop some defenseless gooks on bikes.

>>52364841
>>52364854
Oooh, I get it, this is a troll thread. Well done anons, you got me.

>>52364878
>defenseless gooks on bikes with soviet supplied SAMS that they still kicked the shit out of
Ftfy

>>52357575

Dat's wrong, ya zoggin' grot! All yas need tah do is hit em' beakies wit' da heaviest dakka an' dey comes appart leik squig puddin'!

>>52364887
>Gets BTFO
>"T-This is a troll thread, r-right guys?"

Kek.

>>52364897
>"Kicked the shit out of"
>Supplies experienced little difficulty getting through
>Lost the war anyway

>>52364937
I call more dead zipperheads a victory even if libcucks don't

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Didn't an armored Chaos Marine (comparable to a Space Marine) get matched in close combat by a single strikingly handsome man with a chainsword? I don't see how they could beat the whole USA.

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>>52364670
>literally most if not all the no-name regiments
>even the named ones do this shit
>only ones who don't do this shit are recon, paratroopers, mechanized infantry, or special forces regiments with any common sense are the exceptions

>>52361144
That's actually a good point. Have a squeak of terminators teleport there and kill everyone, especially during a speech, and everyone is going to surrender. What are you going to do against guys in tank armor that can teleport anywhere and murder everything in sight?

>>52365010
Ciaphas Cain is practically a veteran space marine inside a normal man's body.

>>52365081
every race does that if you pick cover art. see rule of cool

most ig forces only die by the thousands because they're fighting against a superior enemy

>it's a "could 40k take on a real world military?" episode

If it works on real world physics, no, if it works on 40k physics, maybe (assuming you take the specific armour figures given for 40k tanks and such to be non-canon).

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>>52361144
>America surrenders in 3 mins.
>we have your leader, surrender trope
>because there isn't a chain of command or anything

You couldn't possibly be this retarded.

>3 min War

7 hour war you ditz. Go eat a dick.

t. /k/ommando

>>52361144
Terminators can't teleport because the real world doesn't have an immaterium.

>>52365164
that's not how terminators teleport tho

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>>52365120
>every race does the same retarded tactic
>so therefore it's ok

Every fucking general who advocates for this tactic in WH40k should be executed for Nurgle and Khorne worship simple for the massive amount of pointless deaths and suffering.

>>52365183
i didn't imply any of that

>>52365181
Oh, I was just trying to troll with autism. I'm curious now. How do they teleport?

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Alpha Legion could.

>>52364733
The same reasons US can't get rid of ISIS is the same reason the Space Marines and Guard can't get rid of the Hrud.

Are you gonna tell me the Space Marine and Guard suck now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare

>>52365211
never mind i think they do

>>52365206
Then tell me the order of battle in WH40k, cause from what I see it's a "smash waves of bodies against each other until one of the sides gives up" both table top and lore wise. Only time people make sense is when they are either doing mechanized warfare or recon.

>>52355542
Better question - how long would it take a single Tyranid bio-ship to wipe out all life on earth?

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>>52365232
>alpha legion comes to United States
>convinces president Trump their superior technology and firepower will make America great again
>US completely under Alpha legion control
>snek is now a major American symbol

>>52365278
depends on the participants. if it's imperium vs. heretics it's probably something close to how the real world armies work unless there was an immense need to push or defend a place which there usually is to make things interesting

read gaunt's ghosts

>>52365341
So recon.

Honestly, I don't see why combined warfare isn't more of a thing in WH40k. It's there, it just needs to be more there.

>>52365134
>Implying the marines wouldn't annihilate the command in the opening minute
>Then seize every missile silo
>Which they alone now have the codes to

>>52365318
if they landed in the amazon... i'd say they fuck up the atmosphere and air traffic enough in a couple days to make the world go crazy, then a couple days more as the swarm's strength multiplies

>40k, the setting of space ww1 only more retarded, suddenly turns into elite operators operating operationally in the operative field of operations the second they're pitted up against something that isn't retarded

Every. Fucking. Time. It's like they just shoo all that shit about burying things under bodies, or the fact their vehicles are clearly heavily influenced by ww1/ww2 designs under the rug (also the fact that 40k vehicles are substantially slower and less well-armoured).

>>52365242
The hrud are billions strong and spread out throughout the galaxy. ISIS are a few thousand guys in Iraq and Syria.

>>52365380
there is combined warfare but humans most often don't fight against humans in 40k so the rules are different

>>52365394
That's the Guard mate.

Space Marines ARE operators operating operationally, just in manners different to what we're used to.

>>52365164
And how would you know that?

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>>52365382
>the command is all in one place
>every missile silo are all in one place
>the codes are all in one place

Next you're gonna tell me they just have to waltz in all G.I. Joe and grab this suitcase lying conveniently on a counter.

>>52365394
>lumping death korps in the same group as elysians
wew

>>52365409
Their tanks are still weaker and slower (and don't give me that "they didn't know anything about tanks when they set those numbers" shit, GW is full of treadheads), and they still fight like mongs.

>>52365435
>Elysians
>literally "every deployment is Market Garden on steroids" the regiment

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>>52357265
>never read any damn fluff in his damn life

>>52365404
>Eldar
>humanoid with guns, tanks, and walkers
>Orks
>humanoid with guns, tanks, and walkers
>Tau
>humanoid with guns, tanks, and walkers
>Necrons
>humanoid with guns, tanks, and walkers
>Chaos
>humanoid with guns, tanks, walkers, and SJW on steroids
>the fucking tyranid
>humanoid bugs with guns, tanks, and walkers

I can go on.

>>52365318
They land in Australia.
God help us all.

>>52357328
>But then who would win, a space marine or an Uber Panzermensch?
this is a much better question.

>>52365466
heh

>>52363020
a lot of people dying.

>>52365416
>What is the Omophagea?
>What are Librarians?
>What are orbital scans?
>What are teleporting Terminators?

>>52365503
>Terminator squad soloing US
>turned into full force soloing USA

You brought up a 4-5 man squad in power armor 2.0, now you're bring up magic man who can read minds from half a continent away and shit lightning. Those are two completely different things. A Space Marine chapter with all their gear easily could stomp the USA.

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>>52365400
>spread out throughout the galaxy

And you know how they do it? Like I dunno, hiding in the shadows until combat arises?

Something ISIS does fairly well for that matter. Crying shame they aren't competent in anything else.

Also, ISIS is just Lacrymoles in everyway except physically and spiritually, then minus a good 30-40 iq points.

>>52365534
>A Space Marine Chapter with all their gear could easily stomp the USA.

No shit, that's the whole point of this thread.

>>52357613
>Thinks a chapter is 100 marines

You just lost all credibility

>>52365232

Trump is Alpharius. They already have.

>>52365611
Then why is he saying only a small terminator squad could solo the USA, that doesn't make any sense.

The reason Space Marines can rekt ass is because they can do a combined arms attack quickly and precisely, something that isn't just throwing 5 armored tractors at White House.

>>52355542

Without any psykers of our own to defend, their's can do whatever they want to our leadership or the public

Terminators can basically teleport wherever they want to

And any space marine can eat a brain and know everything that person knows


I would love to hear how we would counter that

>>52365600
ISIS holding massive fucking parades of trucks and stolen tanks through their towns without the vaunted US airpower doing shit. They wouldn't try anything against Astartes in American cities, even if they had the chance.

>>52365674
By nuking everything they have. Then shitting on it.

>>52365666
5 Terminators are the opening spearhead of the invasion, dumbass, easily capable of taking any small site no matter how well defended. Like, say, the White House, the Pentagon, a nuclear silo, etc. Just a handful of those could reduce the US to a smoking crater in hours.

>>52365678
>without vaunted US airpower doing shit

Maybe because they do it through massive civilian centers, something that the US tries to avoid but tragically still. Even then, the US still bombs the shit out of terrorists in cities, so they wouldn't be beyond shredding Astartes with 30mm cannons.

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Fuck it this threads dumb,

How would modern day earth handle a full Tyranid hive fleet or a Necron Tomb Workd

Love to see /k/omandos and 40kids argue this one.

>>52365747
>full Tyranid hive fleet
We'd be fucked by a single droneship.

A full Hive Fleet would wipe Earth in half a day.

>>52357791
I don't recall him saying game mechanics either. Come to think of it he didn't even specify an edition the lazy fuck

>All these people forgetting about librarians

It sure would be a shame if someone just mind controlled your entire command structure

>>52365719
>>52365719
>5 Terminators are the opening spearhead of the invasion
>in a place of little to no tactical value
>not bombing the shit out of military installations before anyone can mobilize
>not destroying the missile silos and air craft carriers before they can send out planes
>"nah, let's just invade the white house first, who has this guy who's only real power in war is to say "yeah invade country", "no don't invade country" and even then he needs good congressional approval"
>let's draw all this attention when we could easily stomp the military power of 1.5 million active personal directly through shock and awe
>or better yet, just nicely ask the United States to join them by showing them the benefits of being under Astates control, technically conquering the USA

And I'm the dumbass.

>>52365728
>Bombs the shit out of terrorists
>Terrorists hold massive parades in the open

Pick one.

Also:

>Implying Astartes don't know how to use cover

Fuck, even Khorne Bezerkers know how to take shelter from artillery and aerial bombardment, much less loyalists.

>Implying Space Marines wouldn't orbitally destroy the air force in minutes

Top kek.

>>52365847
>What is a decapitation strike?
>What are nuclear codes?
>What is morale?

Demonstrating the ability to wipe the entire leadership and then seize your WMDs in a few hours crushes civilian morale, inducing surrender and preventing years of tedious Guard counterinsurgency.

>>52365691

Your a moron

>>52365926
>decapitation strike?
>so let's attack the thing of least value
>also what is chain of command and the Lernaean Hydra
>lol all the generals sit at the white house obviously hurr hurr hurr

>nuclear codes
>hurr hurr I dress press big red button with code inserted
>hurr hurr I don't know any of the protocols

>morale
>having any significant major power in the grand scheme of things
>with most countries fighting literally until someone either drops nukes on everyone or kills off the entire army

>crushes civilian morale
>the entire US is one giant homogenized group think

Am I getting trolled?