Rate my castle

>>52326353
That's a Fort, not a castle you dingus.

>>52326353
>>52326363
its quite clearly a hippodrome you plebs

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>>52326405
>hippodrome
>doesn't even have room for chariot races

>>52326432
between the palisades you silly sausage

>>52326499
>what is a moat?

>>52326432
Not to mention there is no mud ponds for hippos to bath.

It's just a village with a two-layered palisades and a moat in-between, you dingus.

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This is a castle.

>>52326585

Nice

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>>52326353
Needs work, but okay for a novice.

>>52326353
>Rome Total War large village

>>52326533
>being this autistic

>>52326563
In the middle m8

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Ya'll niggers are small time.

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>>52326978
Is that the fort where the Romans fought the Jewish zealots?

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>>52327005
No idea, just the biggest castle I have in my folders space wise.

You may only have one

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>>52327052
Alright, still looks pretty cool.

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>>52327005
you're thinking of Masada, different Jewhill.

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>>52327105
Ah, thanks.

>>52326353
framable/10

Thanks for the thread.

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my castle is the best castle of all the castles

>>52326585
it honestly upsets me that thousands of years of fort design and architecture was lost from fucking termites and dry-rot

I want to see a fucking Republic Era Roman hillfort, not the outline of where it once was.

>>52326978
>>52327005
Chittorgargh is a fortress city in Rajastan. Despite its grand size and stout defences, it has been taken by force on three occasions.

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>>52331927
A view from the parapets.

>>52326353
I love castle threads. So fucking cozy.

>>52326353
Since this is a thread about fortifications, did anyone else read Tonio Andrade's "Gunpowder Age"? Specifically, the "Chinese Wall Theory"?

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>>52326839
Are these celtic?

>>52326978
Indian hill fortresses are amazingly big, and the spiked gates give them a certain charm.

>>52326665
I would call it unrealistic if it weren't real.

Do you guys have any floor plans for keeps?

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>>52332920

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>>52326353
love it, but it needs more pointy sticks right beneath the walls
looks slavic

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>>52332968
Aaaaaand I'm done.

>>52326635
Imagine living in one of those houses if your neighbors were dickheads

>>52332152
I think they're Polish, at least the first two, around the 10th century or so.

I haven't read it, but I read some of his articles and I think I know what you're talking about. The idea that Chinese gunpowder and fortification technology didn't develop like Europe's did, because their thick packed-earth city walls were impervious to even industrial-era cannons. So there was little need to develop heavy siege artillery, because it was of no use, and consequently no need to develop complex bastion forts to deal with that artillery. In contrast, Europe had long built small castles suitable for siege warfare but with brittle stone walls that were vulnerable to artillery, so when gunpowder was introduced it quickly lead to the development of huge cannons capable of blowing apart stone walls (the Turks used the same kind of cannon in Constantinople, derived from German/Hungarian designs). And consequently Europeans devised new kinds of fortress to deal with artillery, the bastion fort and then the star fort, which could be held by even a small number of men against huge armies and gave European colonial empires the ability to entrench themselves in places like the Indian Ocean. To a limited extent the same happened in Japan, with the castles that emerged in the 16th century being designed with artillery in mind and giving Japan an advantage in their invasion of Korea at the end of the century.

Did I get that right?

>>52331828
Its only a model

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>>52333506
Polish? Interesting.

Yup, that's it. It was quite surprising. I thought of triple wall systems like Constantinople and Carthage as the top shit before gunpowder. But after reading and checking about chinese walls, man, I had to update my dwarfs accordingly.

Plus, if one removes the curved roofs, chinese fortifications are quite blocky and suit the dwarf aesthetic well.

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>>52334958
monteriggioni?

rate my asshole?

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>>52335026
>>52335068
San Gimignano.

>>52335084
8/10, would fist again.

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>>52335118

>>52335118
it's been eight damn years since ACII...holy crap.

Getting an architecture bonnet from this thread. Anyone have Japanese castlesv for variety shake?

Also, to keep the thread /tg/, how do you integrate castles into your games?

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>>52335173
What's ACII?

>>52335225
Usually as dungeons, sometimes as places for players to "play house" and/or headquarters.

>>52335348
Assassin's Creed II
where you were able to climb around both cities I've confused earlier.

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>>52326635
Why Anglos are so obsessed with this shit?

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>>52333506
Aside the fact the original article is a piece of Eurocentric bullshit ("we wuz engineers!") and a fuckload of simplification you've also put into it - yeah, more or less like it. Mostly less

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>>52335373
Ohhh... Yeah, being a city full of tower-houses, it fits well. Himalayan forts/palaces also would be good assassin climbing material.

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>>52332152
Two words for you:
Read Needham

He's the final authority about anything China-related. If he says something went like X, then it most definitely went like X and any situation when it didn't was a very specific case or exception.

The book you are quoting is using circular logic to justify presented theory:
Impossible to siege with cannons -> no point making cannons -> remains impossible to siege with local cannons -> remains unchanged

It clearly ignores the very fucking basic thing about siege artillery, as in "Can't crack those fortifications? BRING BIGGER GUN!"
Chinese didn't develop better sieging techniques and tools for that predominately because there was nobody to siege. If you are a fucking empire with pretty efficient bureaucracy and uninterested with expansion most of the time, who you are going to siege? Simple, without circular logic and backed by fuckload of factors, instead "we wuz engineers"

>>52335142
wew lad, this would be a pain in the ass to attack. Before any real naval firepower that thing would be a bitch

>>52332152
It's pretty much new and gunpowder-focused version of "Guns, Germs, and Steel". Avoid like fucking fire.

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>>52335517
You're being too simplistic.

Cannons played a role, but it wasn't breaching the walls. Suitable guns to do so would be available only centuries later.

Plus, he remarked the internal peace. External is a different matter.

>>52335526
That's the idea.

>>52335599
No. It has revisionist problems in the second part, but this author knows what history is, for starters. And he offers somethign new, while Diamond just repeated former attempts at creating laws for human history.

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Castles, you say?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWklwxMTl4syenM-NN3NXjNW6DyT6bDMG

>>52335526

Yeah. I wouldn't want to attack that with anything less than cannons. Because taking it by sea is is basically suicide, and even if you take the lower port they can just back up and wall off again so you gained fairly little. And taking from the land isn't much better.

And if you bring JUST a land army or JUST a navy, you might as well go home because you won't be able to siege them.

It can be taken, but only by a much more powerful and numerous force that hates you enough to eat the loses and resources it would take.

>>52331927

Too big to hold, I imagine. Its impressive as fuck, but the walls are so long you need a much larger army to hold it, and any army large enough to do so will be a major resource hog.

>>52335378

2000 years of extremely high stakes games of "who owns the castle" deciding who gets to own what leaves a residual fascination.

>>52336127
Best game of King of the Hill ever.

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Like me some early medieval castles

Here is a 10th century German anti-Magyar fort

>>52335378

Because its a big part of european history, a prominent feature in the same middle age combat that most fantasy draws from, and the logistics and tricks of castlemaking is actually pretty interesting.

Castles had only one job: to be as absolutely punishing to take as you could make them. Even the mongols, when they got to Europe, got really fucking fed up with Castles because they would burn all the villages and then people would retreat into the castles, and it was just tremendously unfun waiting outside for them to come out.

And unlike the large nomadic lands, you rode 2 days in any given direction and you had to start the whole process over because these kingdoms were tiny as fuck but EVERYONE HAD A GODDAMN CASTLE WHY DO YOU NEED SO MANY YOU FUCKS. FIGHT ME GODDAMNIT.

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>>52336208
The desire to have your own castle is understandable. It's basically a medieval equivalent of MAXIMUM COMFINESS.

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>>52336276
I agree.

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The same people who are building Guedelon Castle in France started construction on this just a few hours from where I live. They only laid the foundations before they ran out of money though. Would have been super cool to see built.

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>>52336276
>>52336390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C16L3Z8oI_E

>it was normal for maidservants to sleep at the foot of their lady's bed, if not right next to her

c-cute

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>>52336584
>tfw no qt3.14 maidservant in the trundle

>>52326635
that looks really comfy
and also a nice place for me to raise 5 kids to be leaders of men.

>>52336584
>Beige posting

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>>52335784
>Too simplistic
>Said by the guy supporting Andrade's bullshit theory
Please explain me how "Europe was superior, because it has constant warfare and fight and that made Europeans stronger, smarter and better" is saying something new? That shit is 200 fucking years old, just read James Mill and his "History of British India". The book is another piece of Eurocentric bullshit that doesn't even try to hide own stance by the second half.

>>52336208
>European history
>Anglo-specific type of construction
K

Let me reitterate - why Anglos are so obsessed with motte-bailey "castles"? Aside being Anglos and pulling this shit for few centuries straight, because that was the best thing they could come up with when dealing with raiders from outside the Isles. It's a fucking joke of fortification, that just about anyone could siege down, if they were something bigger than a band of 30-something guys that only came for easy loot and had their ship waiting for their return only till evening.

What have some of the anons here got against Jared Diamond and Guns, Germs and Steel?

Genuinely curious.

>>52332152
>Are these celtic?
Like the other guy pointed out, they are Polish. Those are different reconstructions of Gniezno, first Polish capital, now a provincional town (which it has been since 13th century, as it lost any importance pretty quick). This one >>52326761 is pre-Christian reconstruction and this >>52326824 is possible state of things before the mid-11th century raid, aka last time the town was important

The big difference between Celtic and Slavic earthwork is that Celts were making actual embarkments, while Slavs were putting down a fuckload of woodwork and THEN cover it with earth. Technically the inside of those ramparts is empty, but it also makes them MUCH harder to siege down, as no contemporary machines or tools were capable to access the upper or lower parts of the "wall", while the construction was much less labour-intensive, since you didn't have to actually make massive earth embarkments.

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>>52342603
>2017
>Genuinely curious about Diamond
Here is the (You) you are looking for

>>52342668
I listened to Guns, Germs and Steel on audiobook after hearing it praised. I liked it and I thought his points made sense. I'm not familiar with serious challenges to his views. How else can I express my question in earnest?

>>52342720
Maybe because posting "Diamond was right" or "Guns, Germs and Steel is good book" is a cheap-tier bait? Maybe beauce the book got roasted by pretty much everyone, from academicians to just common people with basic formal education, due to making wild assumptions, simplifying countless factors, taking things outside their context or outright ignoring facts to better mold the theory that can be summed up in "I know jack shit about anything at all, but this shit is digestable enough to sell well to idiots who look for simple, easy answers while looking complex enough".
Looking is the right term. The sole fact the book assumes technological development is something linear and repetitive for every single place is a sure-fire sign the author is retarded

And where is the classic pasta about Diamond when you need it?!

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>>52342772
You mean this one?

>>52342720
There is literally one clue you will ever need to understand what's wrong with GGS:
It's a book about technological and sociological development of humanity through ages and continents written by a physiologist specialising in digestion process. And it's researched just like you might expect from such an "expert".

>>52342848
It always baffles me how he's a biologist by trade and in the same time knows so little about plants and animal husbandry a "city mouse" high-schoolers can point out all the basic issues of his reasoning, as I've tested on my students. The guy is literally using reverse Lysenko for his entire agriculture argument.

>>52334285
Shh!

>>52327105
Was this always a barren desert?
How could you supply a garrison with water in a place like this?

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>>52343234
>What is a well

>>52335491
I had no idea stone age Mississippi Indians played Age of Empires.

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>>52342720
>GGS
lol

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>>52343265
This does not sufficiently answer the question.

One, when you're in a desert like this, wells have to go incredibly deep, and can only be dug in certain locations that have accessible ground water. Ppl think that all you have to do is dig a hole, and you get guaranteed water, but tons of wells fail because groundwater flow is far more complicated than that.

Two, that looks like a solid rock mesa. So not only would digging a well essentially mean you have to dig extra deep because --> lol elevated mesa in the desert <-- but you're digging through solid rock.

>>52335784
>he remarked the internal peace
Doesn't china have a civil war every 50 years?

>>52343412
>taming
>domesticating

Those are not the same things anon.

>>52343631
>>52343412
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOmjnioNulo&t=

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>>52343654
domesticating is just taming enough successive generations combined with selective breeding to produce a docile enough result that the taming becomes easier in time.

Do you retards think that when man first found a herd of wild stallions that they just let people ride them?

Take cows for example: they used to be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs
but through shear force of will, Europeans tamed them enough to turn them into cattle, which as someone who personally deals with cattle are still very dangerous.

Sheep and Goats were descended from this fucking asshole: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouflon
but now they're our little buddies, who literally cannot survive without our presence to take care of them and sheer them.

If someone took the time and effort to repetetively tame zebras, generation after generation, and select for docile submissive traits, it would be domesticated in no time. It's just no one wants to take the time today, because it's hard, we already have the horse so why bother, and the horse is obsolete today anyways.

This was all essentially proven by the domestication of the fox, an animal that was long thought to be undomesticatable even by the West, because it didn't have the trait of pack animal that made domesticating the dog easy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Domesticated_Red_Fox

>>52343834
>Europeans
Anatolians and Pakistani are Europeans now?

>>52326747
What is the point of this? The wall is too big to be a pallisade, so someone built a stone wall around this village, but there's not enough room inside for crops to feed the number of people, just some animal pens. And there's no keep, so who's in charge of this? Did some village just communally decide to devote decades of work to building a stone wall to protect something not really worth attacking?

>>52343654
nice, thanks

>>52343480
>He's even denser than initially appeared

>>52343576
More like once per dynasty, which cripples the dynasty so bad it barely holds after it, lingering for next century or two.
Unless you are Qing, then you can have a revolt once per decade and linger for record time. But those weren't even Chinese, so I'm not sure if they count

>>52343879
Three words for you:
Read about oppidum

Also, stop being retarded

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>>52343877
Well that was clearly a joke, but if you want to be a real fucking asshole, yes Central Asians were the first to domesticate the horse. Central Asians, not Pakistanis or Anatolians (even though modern Anatolians are Turks from Central Asia). But Central Asia from ancient history was a much more mixed and honestly white place, and it still is in may places.

The earliest accounts of steppe horse people in accounts like Herodotus describe the various horse steppe people such as the Scythians, the Alans, and Massagetae as essentially white.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Genetics

But no one really knows because whichever nomadic Central Asian group actually domesticated the horse, they didn't write it down.

All those other animals I mentioned were clearly domesticated by European Caucasians from their wild form though.

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>>52344121
>he can't explain anything, he just makes sarcastic comments and posts smug anime girls

>>52343877
At least they didn't ate them to extinction or sat in the mud huts killing the ones that come close by and having to run hunting when wild ones didn't pass by anymore :^)

>>52335378
how could you sleep at night surrounded by Anglos unless you were very confident in your security?

>>52344310
>All those other animals I mentioned were clearly domesticated by European Caucasians from their wild form though.
Sheep are from mesopotamia
As are goats

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What is the point of picrel apart from free cover for attackers? Also, how much manpower do you think it took to dig that three-storey deep moat? I would be proud to lord over serfs so diligent and virile.

>>52326353
>ring fort
pleb as fuck senpai

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The last castle (rather than a fort) built in England. In lego because all that's left after the civil war is the foundations, earthworks and a few bits of related buildings away from the main fortifications.

Did its job though, being besieged multiple times for extended periods during the first civil war and not falling until the new model army got around to it.

>voluntarily building a feudal mcmansion in the middle of a madmade swamp
haw haw dumb lordlings

>>52344640
Starting another outer wall so they can take down the interior most for more room?

>>52344862
Ah good thinking, although that implies filling up the old moat then digging a damned new one. Rolling a chiropractor in this village would reap dividends.

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>>52342523
You're the only one saying that so far. He actually points out how Europe and China had a parity which could have gone either way.

The revisionist issues with the second half of the book come from actually giving too much credit to China.

Please, try to know what you're discussing about.

>>52343342
It's fan-made.

>>52342794
>China's on rice
Rice was the main one, but China had 4 other grains.

>>52345771
>Missing the point of the pasta this hard

>>52344701
#Justanglothings

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>>52326353
good.

>>52331828
>Alan Lee Camelot
It's just a drawing...

>>52341516
>getting BTFO by an e-celeb

>>52332981

wonderful, thank you

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Krzyżtopór castle, Poland.

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Rate my Castle

>>52346673
Shhh!

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>>52347414

Biggest brick cadtle of Europe,albork, Poland.
(I dont know exactly if u anons were sharing drawings or future model ideas, but I saw castles so I wanted to share with my favourites as we have some of them)

>>52347480

Chojnik, Poland. (I believe one of few never conquered in battle)

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>>52347512
Forgotten pic

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>>52347522

Biskupin. (This one is actually renovated to some degree and serves as museum)

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>>52347547

Modlin fortress if anybody is curious about modern defense structures (19th century)

>>52343234
youtube.com/watch?v=11iPrDv8aBE
>wells and cisterns

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>>52347589

Ogrodzieniec.

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>>52347480
aka marienburg. love that place. you've ever been?

this here is peter&paul fortress in petersburg

>>52347612

Jasna góra. (Actually a fortified monastery)

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this one is in erfurt, germany

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>>52347661
Not yet, but it's on my list, unfortunately it's the farest of all the castles for me as I live in the deep south.

>>52347674
Forgotten pic.

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>>52347708
areal view of it

>>52342557
This is because the motte and bailey was just that: a minor temporary style fortification pioneered by the system of burhs in the ninth and tenth centuries. In the eleventh century the design was finalized by the Normans and quickly allowed them to set up defensive governing and military positions in otherwise hostile territory while also providing a framework of future castles to be built on. Many would later become fortifications in their own right proper. It was the medieval equivalent to a castrum or military fort, not a defensive castle proper. And sometimes, a small fort is all you need to garrison an area outside an urban area. These lesser forts could effectively protect hinterlands and villages without the need for an actual present force while also providing a retreat for poorer men in times of need. Finally they offered administrative centres (primitive, but effective) for any larger force passing through controlled but still contested territory. These become crucial in the later stages of the Norman conquest when the North of England elects to revolt under Morcar in 1071.

>>52342794
But transmission of disease did help Europeans. Sure, they still would be able to put their boots on, say, Native Americans, but it would be way more costly, even if we're talking just "peace" keeping there

>>52350071
It's a reference to specific argument raised by Diamond. Basically, he picked the Aztec example (which was true-ish) and build entire bullshit theory from it, trying to argument that the same thing helped conquering Africa and Asia in 19th century.
Mind you, he's a physiologist by education, so this makes this special case of retarded bullshit.

>>52350203
I love retarded theories.
What would you say about:
>Europeans have built such a successful civilization because of the climate. Warmer climates make people too lazy to build civilizations
There are actually people who believe it, it's a theory made by an early computer scientist

>>52350377
I hate retarded theories, because then retarded people learn about them and start considering them true. At best you are going end up with conspiracy theory. At worst, you are stuck with anti-vaccine movement and dead kids combined with endangerment of herd immunity.

>>52347599
Thank you so much for an actual answer.
This is some really cool history I didn't know.

>>52351033
yw, they've some other stuff(some a bit repetitive) but this is the best usage of modded rome2 I've seen so far. hate all that "HUR DUR HUEG BATTLE" shit.
still waiting on the that channels continuation about how roman soldiers and their tactics changed in history

>>52347710
>Serious fortress with bastions and all
>Church in centre
Only in Poland.

Also, are those photos for ants?

>>52351306
dude. >>52347661

>>52350377
If I'm not mistaken hotter climates do have a statistically detectable effect on humans and other animals in various ways including reproduction though idk if it could be simplified as "lazy".

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>>52354771
Lazy really doesn't cut it at all, particularly when climate can force people to stop working due to the debilitating effects of heat for an hour or more every day. Which cuts down on daylight hours to use for labouring and in a pre-electric-lightbulb society, is bound to be a pretty massive effect over time.

Even adaptation can only do so much in the face of, well, the sun.

>>52350203
That's not actually what he said at all. Actually I don't think I've ever seen any of the points he actually made refuted on this site (I have on plebbit though), just insane shit about zebras, which is pathetic considering all the actual problems with the book. Just look at that idiotic screencap that claims the Silk Road didn't exist. It just goes to show what a shithole this place is.

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If your castle ain't on a volcano it ain't shit.

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>>52326353
>Rate my castle
3/10
no clean water source inside
short walls
no keep
mote is shallow

keeps out the wild animals, it will hold off bandits, and slow a small military force
anything more and it will fall fast

>>52331878
Build one then.

>>52343879
It's a double palisade with earth in between.

>>52326978
Really puts the "wealth" of Europe into perspective.

>>52336584
>those giant earthworks
Celtish or American?

>>52342794
>1,
Has this fellow literally never heard of the silk road? And we have evidence of trade between as distant regions as Scandinavia and Persia all the way back in the 800s. Europe, western Africa, and Oceania were on the periphery of the old world economy and thus less connected than some regions, but even they were tied into it to some degree. Seriously, is this guy conveniently forgetting about the existence of ships?

>2
China has many crops, rice is just the most popular because it's very productive. Inca and Cahokians, likewise, used those as their main staple but had plenty of different vegetables and other things as well.

>3.
This point I agree with.

>4.
This is kind of a hard point to be certain on, because "can be domesticated" can't be proven one way or another without actually domesticating the thing. I do think that the spread in domestic animals across Eurasia (and eastern Africa) should be considered a valuable thing, though. After all, domesticating a species is something that takes a significant amount of effort and foresight. It's not an option available to every society.

>5.
This kind of depends on definitions of conquest. Yes, steppe nomads are good at conquering in the most literal definition, but they also assimilate very quickly. Rather than the military might of conquest, I'd say that the cultural wherewithal to keep cultural elements while joining a new culture (by force or otherwise) is arguably more important. And there could be an argument that urbanization helps with that, I guess.

That said, while I also broadly disagree with Diamond here, I would like to point out that what he's referring to is mostly the technological advances of the colonial era and the industrial revolution. He just tries to overgeneralize, rather than understanding that this is a phenomenon particular to the industrial revolution itself.

>>52356015
>6,
This is true in most cases, but the diseases were a big factor in America. It's probably not a coincidence that this is where Diamond is from. What's more, if we look at conquest not in the usual sense but in the sense of cultural supplantation, which seems to be what Diamond is actually meaning by it (he's not a historian, so we can forgive him his imperfect vocabulary) then the diseases really do help throughout the Americas, even though they come after the military part. Meanwhile in Africa and Asia, we don't see the massive colonial nations of the same nature.

>7.
Again, probably attributable in large part to nationality. That said, even in China, the Wokou were able to use the Japanese coast just fine where the Chinese coast didn't suit their needs.

>8.
This is kind of revisionist regarding western Europe. It's true now, but it hasn't been true for long. Hell, it wasn't until fucking Prussia that education for the general populace became a thing. Even things like the Carolingian language reforms weren't aimed at the general public so much as at religious communities.

>Europe and China... were no bigger... enjoyed no great advantages in terms of agricultural potential
Not really true. China has two great fertile rivers and is huge. Europe too, is large and in some areas is very fertile (France, Germany, southern England - not a coincidence that these areas are historically the wealthiest). There's also great land in northern India, in Mexico and and the southeastern US, California, and in Peru. There's decent land in Persia, the mediterranean region, and the adjacent to all the previously mentioned areas.

>>52356018
But besides China, Europe, northern India and the southeast US, where is there anything of comparable size and productivity? There are places like the Fertile Crescent and the Great Plains, but those are of limited capacity – the former was exhausted long ago, and the latter is well on its way, kept tenable (or, in some areas, resuscitated since the dust bowl) only thanks to modern agricultural practices.

Diamond ignores a lot of shit and is overall misleading, but lots of what he says isn't wrong, and it remains true that more globally dominant cultures have greater natural wealth to draw on.

>>52343834
>goats
>descended from the same ancestor as sheep
That's fucking wrong, you retard.

>>52345307
>Europe and China had a parity
China was much wealthier, more populous, and more socially sophisticated from the Han period until the industrial revolution. It would be more accurate to say that Europe and India had a parity. Europe had size and coastline while India had a massive trade advantage and small advantage in biomass and masonry.

>>52351306
>Also, are those photos for ants?
No, they are 1st google result found as i'
Was posting from a phone. You have names supplied if you are curious for more views angles.

That monastery actually let us win a huge war - swedish deluge. It got fortified because it's a place of cult compared to fatima AND these monks were gathering there tons of valuables.

>>52354771
But there is no correlation at all.
North America has climate very similar to Europe, almost no city building civilizations existed there. Meanwhile in Central America you have multiple empires with highly organised societies. There are civilizations in Ethiopia, Indonesia, India, all in much hotter climates. Nothing in Chile or Argentina. It just makes no sense.

>>52343057
Reverse Lysenko?

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That's not a proper castle, OP.

>>52356015
>>52356018
I think he was referring to the Silk road with his mention of the 15th century.
>>52356024
I guess that one river in West Africa had a pretty fertile floodplain, though it had a lot of other drawbacks limiting civilizing factors.

>>52327105
Romans really didn't give a fuck. They also build a dyke to prevent Carthage to be supplied by sea

>>52357099
Lysenko had this pseudo-scientific theory that if you will plant grain in winter, it will adapt to cold and will be able to grow in colder places.
This obviously didn't work, but Soviets still tried, since it sounded like a great plan to expand nothrward with their planting and getting more than one planting circle in the south, wasting fuckload of grain and making the famine even stronger.
This obviously only "worked" if you ignored entire early genetic theory and focused on 18th century ways of affecting agricultural output.

Diamond put reverse Lysenko, claiming that absolutely no local adaptation is possible and there are no varieties within single species. In short - that there is only one type for each grain and other crops and there is absolutely no way to influnece the plants by human AND there are no local natural varieties.
This obviously ignored pretty much entire history of agriculture, which runs on human-made alternations and local varieties. Hell, even if we ignore such massive effort like Green Revolution varieties or Agri Revolution of 18th century, humanity was capable of selective breeding for plants and lifestock since ancient times, just by paying attention to random mutations and bit of luck.

>>52356015
>>52356018
>Another idiot missing the point of the pasta

>>52357962
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4472

For more information on Lysenko

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>>52355426
>"mote is shallow"
>implying all castles have to be motte and bailey

>>52357973
What's the point, then?

>>52355426
>mote is shallow
your mom is shallow but I don't complain.

>>52357009
Well yeah that's what I'm saying, there are effects but some people really jump to conclusions.

>>52347512
>I believe one of few never conquered in battle
Yet.

>>52357009
North america has several diverse climates that are not similiar to europe in several areas, the closest to europe would maybe be the new england area, but thats about it, also the East coast has a lot of geographical features that make it hard to travel to and fro and set up trade, also it is likely the last place reached by migrating humans, so they were likely there for less time than central and south america, given how difficult it would have been to cross the great plains.

>>52365877
>Implying Europe itself doesn't have several different climates
American education it its finest

>>52367866
>Not similar to Europe in several areas
>several areas

Europe has a number of climates. America has a number of climates. Not all of them are present in both America and Europe.

European smugness at its finest.

>>52368387
I'm Argentine, but keep going, burger

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>>52347444
>More like rate my Kessler Syndrome

>>52354919
>Even adaptation can only do so much in the face of, well, the sun.

Well, you'd adapt by having a lesser tendency to work for extended periods of time. In other words, you'd seem lazy to people whose environment bred them for higher levels of activity due to a different climate.

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>using vertical walls

You guys are gonna have a Boche problem.

>>52350458
The term "conspiracy theorist" is itself a conspiracy. The media created it to discredit unpopular opinions.
It's long since spread to describe insane people, but it's much cleaner to just call insane people insane.

>>52326636
Fuck yeah I'm not the only one who thought about that.

>>52336208
well, europeans had experienced viking invasions earlier. and the saracens.

>>52347096
>e-"""celeb"""

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>>52370087
Not
>If you're having hill problems I feel bad for you, son.
>I got 99 problems but the Boche ain't one

>>52335491
looks kinda inflammable desu

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rate my castle plox

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Castle thread? Let me tell you about the Bory Castle of Hungary.

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The entire complex was constructed by one man: Jeno Bory between 1923 and 1959.

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For what purpose, you might ask. For his wife, both of them were artists.

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Some of his descendants still live there. The castle is open for visitors.

>>52374325
price point?

>>52372679
I say 7/Frank
Literally the only guy who made the wise decision, quit TWD and now plays character roles

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>>52347096

>>52326353
I have got to tell you, that is a damn impressive castle.
I am genuinely surprised that nobody else is amazed by an invisible castle.
The illusion work is superb!

>>52369721
>>52354919
How stupid are you?
Western civilizations were built by Egyptians, Summers (and others who lived in the crescent after then), Greeks and Romans. All the civilisations have siesta climate.
People are, contrary to what Americans apparently think, not built for 12 hours a day. We can work effectively for maybe 5. Even in the worst climate you can get that.

>>52368806
Perspective, yay.

>>52326353
Who the fuck would build this shit? The outer palisade is indefensible so its only purpose is to give cover to attackers.

>thanks for building us these cool siegeworks senpai

>>52374430
Whats wrong with Lindy? Aside from him being a massive smug cunt with the creativity of a wooden chair?

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My favorite castle until they reworked it from werewolves to undeads

>>52326353
Thats a very nice Motte OP.

But I cant see any castle

>>52356083
Their bones are practically indistinguishable in archaeological record if you don't get a whole skull. They diverged earlier than the mouflon of course, but they do share common ancestry.