MTG Modern General: Matchup&Sideboard Lottery Edition

First for Ari Lax.

>>52305555

>Do you think "[strategy] loses the game if unanswered" cards like Stony Silence, Leyline of the Void, Blood Moon etc make for good gameplay and/or are necessary to have in the format?

Good gameplay? No.

Necessary? Absolutely.

The entire reason Frontier is a meme format that will never ever be good is the complete lack of powerful hate cards like this.

>>52305555
Stony silence and leyline of the void are good for the format

Blood moon is not

What do you hope to see in Amonkhet?

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I think punishing effects are generally good for the format-

They just punish extremely focused decks, which should be a weakness when you go all-in on a gimmick. They help to increase diversity in threats and answers.

>>52306012

Enchantments that don't suck fat dick

>>52306028
Did you enjoy Gods in Theros?

>>52305555
While most people hate hose cards like leylines, stony silence, and blood moon these cards are neccesary silver bullets for certain decks. Such as leyline of the void or rest in peace destroys dredge. Stony Silence stops Affinity. And Blood Moon hoses Tron and punishes non primary red Red decks.

Now do they make good or dynamic gameplay however simple answer No

>Playing
8 Rack and Free Win Red
>Hating
Not so much hating but its getting stale going against DSJ and Abzan decks
>Brewing
The Duck Hunt Deck is the next thing I plan on ordering just for a good laugh. It will fit in right next to my lost in the woods deck
>Sideboarding
Splashing green in 8 rack for maelstrom pulse and abrupt decay has made 8 rack much more resilient to esper control and decks that pack leyline of sanctitiy

>>52306143
>And Blood Moon hoses Tron
But this is false.

>>52306143

>Blood Moon hoses Tron

Get this fucking meme outta here

>>52306151
>>52306156
You smart asses act like it does absolutely nothing. How bout you get outta here with that retardation?

>>52306206
Because it doesn't. My winrate vs decks that slammed it is like 90%, take that how you will.

>>52306012
Cards that are actually playable outside of standard and EDH

>>52306012
shards of alara colored gods and more zombie support also Nicol Bolas I guess would be interesting to see him shit on the gatewatch

>>52306206
Not that guy, but O-stone comes down turn 3 and kills your moon and all your guys the following turn. It's not all that good against tron.

>>52306278
>implying the lamewatch is capable of losing.
Nah man. Jace and Co are gonna beat bolas to a pulp and make him lose his spark via the power of friendship. There is also gonna be a new planeswalker of an undisclosed minority group who is gonna be important.

>>52305555

If my only answers to lantern are Kataki and Stony Silence, which one should I mulligan for?

>>52306564
I personally would go for kataki because you can attack with it. but I honestly have never actually played against lantern. No one plays it around here

>>52306233
>Because it doesn't. My winrate vs decks that slammed it is like 90%, take that how you will.

It doesn't hose tron but if backed up with significant pressure and/or tempo, it will result in a pretty easy win.

Guaranteed though, most players do think it is an insta win and as a result keep weaker hands on average that just happens to have a hoser card.

>>52306677
This.

There is a difference between
Delver, goyf, moon, hold up interaction
To
Pass, mind stone, blood moon, nothing /koth

>>52306564
>>52306660

I'd go with kataki honestly. Running a creature-heavy deck kataki could potentially make them get rid of ensnaring bridge and allow you to attack

>>52306677
The "this hand sucks but I'll keep it because it has a silver bullet" trap. I was playing titanshift last week and a player kept a one lander two games in a row because the hand had crumble to dust and I killed him before he ever got to cast it both times.

>>52306564
You're gonna need more hate than that desu

t. Lantern player

>>52306781
No lantern player worth a shit would ever sac bridge and let you get in. Lantern also doesn't really care too much about the tax since they can just keep what they need and wait to kill kataki.

>>52306993
I've just got the Deepfathom Skulker and then the typical Ancient Stirrings as card draw. I wanted something that would be a useful topdeck in grindier matchups and it fits that role reasonably well, letting me fill up my hand again and use any spare mana to help get my team through.

>>52306012

>What do you hope to see in Amonkhet?

CATS

>>52306564

You'll need to be a bit more specific as to what deck you are playing so we'll know which is better.

>>52306012
Tempo cards.
Pls no more gbx support. It's getting so tiring playing against the same decks right now. I cannot stand midrange

Cards like that are needed. Sideboard are there for a reason dipshits.

I can't wait for the gods to not have cards and people to ree about it

>>52306012
CASCADE

>>52307325
What is ree

>>52307396
the reddit frog meme

>>52307396
BABY DONT HURT ME

>>52307396
alt-right hate speech

>>52307325
Gods will be formatted like planeswalkers. Wait for it.

>>52307452
Cause the only thing missing from Magic is another god awful border design.

>>52307464
At least they're moving flavor text into the name/art to give them more space to tack on unneeded effects.

WotC Design team has been the best influence on Magic since 2011.

>>52307514
>At least they're moving flavor text into the name/art to give them more space to tack on unneeded effects
Huh?

>>52305555
They're only necessary because of the weakness of and lack of diversity in general-purpose answers compared to the speed, strength, and diversity of threats.

>>52307541
Answers don't win games unless you're Red, but Red only because Red isn't allowed to have good beaters.

>>52306012
Cats, snakes, more humanoid sphinxes in place of angels. Ideally cards that feature decent art and are playable outside of standard and limited.

>>52307604
This whole post is retarded

>>52307624
Burn exists anon.
But really, only Green and Black are allowed to get huge, while Blue is allowed evasion.

Red gets occasional access to trample and flying, but it's usually on something requiring too much mana for modern.
They don't even get the speed they're supposed to have. Otherwise Goblin Guide would have alternatives.

>>52306012
"Sticks to Snakes," the card.

>>52307604
>>52307675
Have you ever played in a format or metagame where control was not just a notion, but an actually viable strategy with multiple archetypes?

I'm legitimately curious.

>>52305555
Something to break Eldritch Evolution. Bonus points if it's mono-G and Wizards thought it was going to be a junk rare.

>>52307745
I don't think we're on the same page. This seems like a communication issue. Allow me to backtrack and clarify.

Answers, in the form of removal, be it kill spells or counter spells, do not win the game. They may enable a winning strategy (protecting combo pieces) but are not capable of reducing the opponent's life total below 20 on their own.
Threats in the form of creatures are able to do this.

Sorry if I didn't get that idea across the first time.

>>52307614
>Ideally cards that feature decent art and are playable outside of standard and limited
Heretic. You ask far too much

>>52307838
>tfw Uncle WotC only gives you broken toys

>>52307750

>Eldritch Evolution

Why not just play it somewhat like a Birthing Pod style deck?

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-abzan-evolution-33246#paper

Eldritch evolution without the exile clause when?

>>52307920
Why not use it with Delve to enable huge, otherwise unplayable cards?

Eldritch evolution priced to stuff into Isochron scepter when?

>>52307963

Because there's better ways to do that one where as this one is more like a toolbox value deck that isn't all-in on a combo type win.

>>52307396
Autistic screeching represented by an autistic frog to represent disdain in the form of autism

>>52307801
See, "answers don't win games" is itself a statement that misses the point. Modern lacks the sort of powerful general answers that would scale to its powerful and efficient threats, and so that leaves decks to rely even more heavily on silver bullets brought in off the sideboard.

>>52308004
Sure, but Sibsig Muckdraggers into Worldspine Wurm is nice and spicy.
Meanwhile x2 fish or monkey gives a way to slam Wurmcoil Engine without needing a 4-drop already on the battlefield, and dramatically reduced the possibility of dead cards in hand.

If the shell can manage bigger creatures, what's three cards invested on enabling something nasty?

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>>52307801
>Answers, in the form of removal, be it kill spells or counter spells, do not win the game.
But what if we staple answers to creatures?

>>52308283
Can I slot it into my bogles deck?

>>52308161

>Sibsig Muckdraggers into Worldspine Wurm is nice and spicy.

Sure but again you can do better ways of trying to do that. You can just cast Through the Breach to Worldspine Wurm. Can even play Summoner's Pact to go fetch it.

>Meanwhile x2 fish or monkey gives a way to slam Wurmcoil Engine without needing a 4-drop already on the battlefield, and dramatically reduced the possibility of dead cards in hand.

I really don't understand what you're saying here with "x2 fish or monkey" but either way you don't want to be tutoring up for a Wurmcoil Engine with EE. You always more or less want to be tutoring up for a dude that has an ETB effect or some form of protective ability or hoser.(e.g Anafenza Foremost, Sigarda, Resto Angel etc.) If you're going to tutor up a 6 mana creature you've got shit like Primeval Titan that has immediate impact.

>If the shell can manage bigger creatures, what's three cards invested on enabling something nasty?

Because if you're getting a bigger creature that creature has to pretty much win you on the spot(e.g Allosaurus Rider into Craterhoof behemoth) and not just be super cool dude or you need to be more disruptive with your toolbox answers with dudes(e.g Orzhov Pontiff, Sin Collector)

>>52306293
Go ahead and play that O-stone when all your fetches and duals are fucking mountains.

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>>52308283
Or what if it along with removal it also brings out your own threats? Hmm...

>>52308407
I don't know about Tron, but
>taps mox opal

>>52308420
If only there was a deck that Living End slotted into. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to live in a world without answers forever.

>>52308432
Yeah, save that your mox opal doesn't have metalcraft because your artifact lands are all non-artifact mountains.

>>52308489
Actually, they'd be artifact mountains. It's their land type that got changed, not their card type.
Same reason why Dryad Arbor is still a 1/1 when Blood Moon is out. Just taps for red Mana instead of green

>>52308576
Huh. That's weird as hell. I've had an L2 tell me, at the table, that blood moon basically says 'treat all your opponent's nonbasics like they picked the fucker up and put a mountain in it's place."

>>52308471
>If only there was a deck that Living End slotted into
Can't tell if serious

>>52306012
A return of Split Second. Counterspell, or a decent equivalent. Plague Spitter. Decent land destruction.
>>52308736
He lied.

>>52306012
FLAMETONGUE KAVU

>>52308744
>Can't discern obvious sarcasm
I'm sorry for you, Anon

>>52308754
Land destruction is never happening anon. Split Second would be baller af though.

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>>52308800
Don't let the dream die, anon.

>>52308808
This place is filled to the brim with drooling, mouth breathers, any other day someone would make your post with complete conviction

>>52308800
that nigga was one of my fav niggas when i started playing magic

>>52308829
It would have been written differently

>>52306012 here
I wanted to know what you guys wanted from Amonkhet that would help modern, ife; a counterspell reprint or something to fuck Jund/k up or artifact hate. Who gives a shit about kitties and sneks for your edh decks?

>>52309023
I hope they don't reprint Counterspell, it would warp Standard!

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>>52309023
More absurdly powerful high-cost colorless threats.

>>52309023
Edh is literally the only good format and the only format that matters.

>>52309068
Edh is a crapshoot and only fun once every month or so
Why are you even here

>>52309023
Reprinting counterspell would be a mistake. It fills the "powerful blue" quota, but isn't the option blue needs to be anything but a support color.
We have plenty of artifact hate. The only artifacts that actually need hate are 0-drops, because they're either free mana, free goyf food, and so on. Mind you, ornithopter/memnite are fine, pact spells with their 0-cost are also fine.
We don't need generalized artifact hate. We need something more specific than that.
>fuck up Jund/k
Giving non-GBx options would be better than hate cards. Maybe if they hadn't bungled the Tarkir rares we wouldn't be saying this.

>fuck your flavor cards
wow fuck you man. It's not like 98% of every new expansion is anything but useless garbage anyway.

>>52308736
He's right if they're just lands with no other card type to them. Legendary lands are still affected by the legend rule under Blood Moon.
I had to explain why a 2/3 Goyf with no instant in the grave doesn't die to bolt to a judge a few days ago.

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>>52309173
How the fuck did he even become a judge without knowing how Goyf works?

>>52306327
This x10000000

>>52309163
Way to pick apart my post big shoots. I don't hold any opinions about what kind of cards should be printed. I'm just trying to generate discussion about the format and what we hope to see on the horizon.

I didn't say fuck fun/flavor cards, but this is not the thread to talk about that shit. "We need a 2/2 with hexproof in this color" is relevant. "More cats and snakes" is not.

>>52309306
>>52309173
I spent five minutes joking around with a guy I was playing at gp Vancouver about not bolting my goyf and then the motherfucker does it right after on my end step.
The people watching had a good laugh. Smh

>>52309739
Give me nimble mongoose

>>52309739
Anon, the reason you're having trouble stirring up debate is because you're going about it like a faggot.

There is a certain type of debate you are insisting on, but you never laid out what that is. We cannot be on the same page if you have not defined your terms. Research papers typically do this at the start, where they lay out their assumptions and cite other papers that elaborate on what that assumption is if it is not common knowledge.

On top of not defining your terms, you get mad at people for not following the terms. Again, you have not defined them. And you get pointlessly mad that them. It's like talking with a tranny.
Plain and simple, your conversational tactics don't make sense. Does a sternly-worded post make me cave in to your demands?

Nope. It makes me shittalk you.
What did you hope to accomplish with that post?

>>52309347
Do you people not get classic heroic storytelling? Bolas wins their first confrontation, so the heroes can "grow" and overcome their nemesis before his ultimate triumph.

>>52309834
No, fuck traditional story telling. It's boring and makes for mcbooks

Also fuck the gatewatch

>>52309870
Anon, there's the world as is, and the world as it should be.

If you want good licensed fiction, you need good licensed fiction authors.

>>52309817
Kinda, yeah. I was hoping for "damn, this anon is disappointed in us, we should have tried harder. He clearly expects more from modern general"

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So I guess I have to Jund now?

>>52309870
I agree with you, but do you seriously think the writers of the Jacetice League are above it?

>>52310062
You got a Lili, why would that put you in Jund? If you want to make a GBx deck do Abzan because at least you have a Voice too.

>>52310110
>A Voice
Nigger he got a foil one too.

>>52310082
No ;_;

>>52310062
Or you could sell all that shit and buy into Living End, an actual fun deck.

>>52310500
My nigga

Just bought in last night. Now just to check my mail like a crazy person for the next week or so

>>52310500
>Living end
>Fun
Yeah maybe like the first 3 times

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>>52308407
>Go ahead and play that O-stone when all your fetches and duals are fucking mountains.
>duals and fetches in tron
>o-stone is a colorless card

>>52310110
Was talking about it in the context of (phantom) limited since I expect that aggro Jund Lili can typically out-topdeck most other decks, and there's enough graveyard shenanigans in this set to offset her +1's disadvantage as well.

It all depends on what my pulls are like, of course, but it looks seems like GRx and GBx are pretty strong with this pool.

>>52310582
Nah man. Many lines of play and sneaky ways to eek out wins. It's certainly more than just cycle into living end.
I find midrange to be the most boring experience in magic though so there's that

>>52310753
How can anyone not enjoy midrange? You get to play all the roles at once and it's very challenging to play

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>>52310850

>>52310850
>discard t1, pick the card you can't deal with with your hand and/or kills you on turn 2-3
>proceed to play hand on curve
>play lili, go hellbent
>play the card you draw every turn
>repeat until someone loses
>hard

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Tell me why Spellweaver Helix is not the hardest deck in the format.

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>>52310850

>>52311014
What the fuck is this card? I bought a fuckton of Mirrodin back in the day and I've never even heard of this thing.

>>52310941
>Cycle
>Cycle
>Cycle
>Cycle
>Cascade, gg?
Yeah I think I'll stick with midrange, thanks

>>52311014
It's not difficult, it's bad. Not the same thing.

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>>52311105
Midrange was a mistake

Any decks out there using mulldrifter?

>>52311175
Shitty UW emeria

How fun to play is UR Thing in the Ice + Ascension deck?

Saw it a couple of times in play and wanted to build it.

>>52311405
As fun as you find it to be

>>52311405
It's worse than Electromancer + Baral honestly. Remand with Baral is dirty value.

>>52311444
Yeah but I prefer to have a fallback in case stuff goes bad, which Thing + Ascension version provides.

Unless you play to beat your opponent somehow to death with 2/2's and 1/3

>>52311052
You obviously didn't buy enough.

>>52311600
You have no fallback to simple creature removal. At least storm can still go off without their guys

>>52311600
Without Gitaxian Probe, Ascension is MUCH worse, and Thing's P/T is irrelevant in a format of Fatal Push.

If I use Threads of Disloyalty to gain control of a Death's Shadow, does it then get -x/-x equal to my life total, or will it still be based on my opponents?

Let's say I use Vedalken Shackles to nab a 3/3 Death's Shadow when I have 4 Islands. When I gain control of him, assume he changes power based on my life total, he becomes a 6/6. Do I then lose control of him?

>>52311648
>irrelevant in a format of Fatal Push.

By going this way every creature is irrelevant since LEL Path to Exile.

>playing creatures
>in modern

On the topic of DS, I've been jamming it in a pure BG midrange deck with goyfs and bobs as just a beater. Card is pretty good, deck is meh

>>52311683
No, it's based on whoever controls it

>>52311683
You in cards always refers to their controller.
You don't, the power only matters when placing the ability on the stack and resolving, not after.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=50120

>>52311708
Most creatures don't require setup.

>>52311121

it has a high skill floor.

>>52311052

It's a card that lets you retrace ravens crime to take turns and let's you retrace flame jab at their face and trigger a worldfire before it resolves.

>>52307396

get out

>>52305555
My budget Soul Sisters funbrew went from "0-5 meme deck" to actually winning over half it's matches soon as I put 2 Stony Silence and 2 Rest in Peace mainboard.
It should be even better if I ever care enough to add Ranger of Eos and Serra Ascendant.

>>52311751
You ment most bad creatures don't.

Even goys require shit in graveyard to be effective.

>>52306012
The enemy-colored Battlelands.

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>>52311761
>it has a high skill floor.

>>52311812

Goyf doesn't require setup, that's the point. You set it up by cycling a 0 cost artifact, or bolting their dudes, and disrupting their hand. Aka everything jund wants to do.

Most good creatures in modern are over curve for no work or give you their value once they hit the board so you don't care if they get removed. or they don't lose you tempo if they get removed for 1 (aka they're one drops).

Some cards hit multiple criteria.

>>52306268
we got a bunch of those in aether revolt. i wouldn't be hoping for many

>>52311866

I'm pretty sure it's a you problem

>>52307604
>Abrupt Decay, Daze, Force of Will and Swords to Plowshares aren't 99.9% of the reason why Legacy is a good format.

>>52312200
Where does the skill come from? I've played it several times, you need more luck than skill.

>>52312342
>I've played it several times, you need more luck than skill.
Are you talking about Magic in general here?

>>52310500
Does Kari Zev's Expertise works with Living End?

>>52312388
What do you think dummy?

>>52311105
That's only against fair decks pre sideboard, try playing living end like that vs storm, dredge, burn, and good control decks(which thankfully not many people run right now) + post sideboard game.

>Mfw won one of my matches by hard casting jungle Weaver since they put out rest in peace and I destroyed 4 of their lands through the course of the game so they weren't able to play their strategy either.

>>52312388
Scientists have been baffled by this question for eons.

>>52312373
Har har har

>>52312342

Yeah of course you need luck but you can make your odds better by making certain choices and smart mulling. There are several paths you can try to take to disrupt your opponent with your mana or try and race for the win, and there are enough copies of spellweaver to anticipate a topdeck for win. You also blank removal by virtue of being noncreature. There are bad matchups, and bad draws, but that's to be expected.

>>52312488
Okay but where is the high skill part?

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>>52312396
>Dummy
>Not calling him a faggot, cuck, nigger, or Jew

>>52312342

Basically

What sort of major decisions could you have to make in the deck?

>Should I try and empty their hand before I play spellweaver, anticipating an answer?
>Should I divert this land to killing this 2/2 with a second flame jab, risking my land drop curve?
>Your opening hand has a fetch land, IoK and faithless looting. You might hit loam off faithless looting. What shock do you get?
>I have 36 cards in my deck, and loam/crime engine going. Zero helixes have shown up yet. If I topdeck helix, I win. I can also empty their hand giving myself a safer play depending on their clock on board. Do you topdeck or dredge?

Etc. Its hard, but with smart choices you can pull out more games than you'd think.

>>52306012
A shitty combo that they overlooked in production and that will completly shit on standard.

>>52312653
>>52312548

Does this qualify?

>>52312653
So your plan is to put people into topdeck mode in a format full of Jund?

>>52306012

Crocodragon to be playable in modern.

>>52313079

Not always topdeck mode, but at least disrupt early. you can race junds board including killing Bob/scooze if you take their abrupt decay so they can't answer helix. The matchups are pretty interesting and some of it relies on your cards matching up but most matchups are winnable in some way.

>>52313079

The idea of ravens crime is that you can use loam as cheap card advantage vs decks that want to hold their answers in their hand. if it's not important in the matchup you can save it for a spellweaver wincon/gifts target and board a couple out game 2.

>>52313211
>decks that want to hold their answers in their hand
THERE ARE NONE

>>52313221

I bet you thought you were being clever when you made this post

>>52313167
Old jund is dead as dead can be

>>52313299
Jund is dead. Long live Jund.

>>52310143
Fuck me then, didn't see the one he decided to hide behind the fucking Craterhoof

>>52313426
Well Hoof's a pretty big guy.

>>52313455

[Mnemonic walls mana cost]

>>52313455
For you

>>52313733
Get out you mong. Last guy did it better

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>>52313743

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What's up everyone. I'm playing this deck, and it is difficult to play. You may disagree and make a simplified version of it like
>Play this card
>Then do this thing
But in actuality the deck is difficult to play and you are wrong.

>>52313759
>/tv/ memes

>>52313783
How about stop confusing bad with difficult to play
>hey guys my kavu tribal is so hard to play because I need the stars to align in order to win, but if they do it's because the deck is skill intensive and I'm hot shit

>>52313812
Tbh i can't tell the difference between your mums ass hole and her pussy when I'm wearing a condom.

>>52313837
Oh lmao you got me with the mom joke. I don't think I'll recover from this this time bucko

>>52311812
>goyf requires set up

Anon, you didn't have to out yourself as a retard that quickly

>>52313896
Yeah, there's definitely not better things to run than architects of will mishra's bauble and tarfire in the deck, oh wait..................................

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TBQH Storm is a pretty decent deck right now. Almost never see hate, and that's when Storm is best. Also the deck is like 60 dollars if you already have the lands.

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>Grixis death's shadow
Why don't you just bring a sign around with you that says "I can't afford Goyf"

>>52313929
>THE deck

I was unaware that there is literally only one deck that runs Goyf, excuse me while I tell R/BUG delver, Jund, Abzan, Naya Zoo, and Rock to stop using it. While I'm at it I'll stop by the legacy thread and tell all of the decks that run it there to stop too. Because clearly if they aren't running Architects of Will, Mishra's Bauble, and Tarfire then they just can't take advantage of a creature that gets stronger the more you just play your deck.

>>52310062
how many boxes did you open

>>52306012
something to make infect good again please

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On a scale of 1 to 10, how bad is it of an Idea to ditch the Eldrazi package in D&T and replace it with smallpox and cards that synergies with it ? I want to play something as close as legacy Smockstacks as it gets.

>>52314346
9, the eldrazi, especially displacer, are what make the deck decent.

Right now with a play set of ZEN fetches in my shopping cart the total is $629+shipping... I don't even really have a deck for them, but it sure would make my binder looks nice

>>52314448
No offense, but I look down on people who have huge amounts of cards that are not being used in decks. It's one thing to have a billion decks you don't play, but when it's just fucking sitting there in a binder I don't know what the fuck you're doing with your money. Paintings are meant to sit there, waste your money on those.

>>52314433
What deck allows me to destroy lands and make my opponent miserable ?

>>52314553
Ponza or living end

>>52314506
You're an idiot

>>52314506
Well part of it is eventually I would like to have a binder that is nothing but play sets of staples and will allow me to just build whatever deck I want to play on the spot. It will take a lot of money to finish but it's something I've been thinking of making for a while.

Since lands are the most expensive part of any deck, I thought getting sets of all the most commonly played lands would be a good starting point. And fetches are at the top of the list.

>>52314553
RW prison with stone rain, Ajani vengeant, and dark dwellers

>>52306012
Egyptian god cards

>>52314225
That was all just from one box. Besides that, I only drafted three times and got the three remaining fetches, a Cavern of Souls as pack 1 pick 2, and a Domri.

>>52306012
Cards good in decks I like
Cards good against decks I don't like

>>52314757
I don't see that as efficient. Because I've seen people do that and all they have at the end is a pile of nothing.

Wouldn't you rather have a pile of something that comes together? It's like buying computer peripherals hoping one day you'll have a computer to use them on.

The reason why I think it's a retarded thing to do is I feel that the game has gone completely off the rails in terms of being affordable. And while I utterly and wholly put the blame on Wizards for not regulating their game better I don't feel like people who horde cards help the problem at all. In an ideal world we'd be able to reach into our bag of cards and pull out any deck we want but that's just not what Wizards wants us to do. And ultimately the only thing that is going to keep this game alive is if games get played - I feel like that is the very LEAST a player can contribute to a community. It's fine if you just buy all those lands and keep it to yourself that you have the cards; but in real life keeping your possessions private is almost never the case with people; the people who do what you're doing are always showing off their shit saying they have everything showing they have everything carrying around their binders full of shit they're not using and it is doing nothing but rubbing it into the faces of people who do want it whether they do it on purpose or not. It just breeds shit culture; most importantly, games aren't getting played.

So every time I hear some guy say they've almost put a deck together I think about all the times they've said they've almost put another deck together in the past and how they just buy more and more cards and I never see any new decks out of that person.

>>52306012
Please can we have the other cycle of commands like the ones from Khans?
Simic, Izzet, etc.

>>52315342
I guess I should bring up a couple examples.

I feel like hording shit and not actually putting decks together to play is a waste of time to everyone around you. I want to hear from people, "I'm buying *name* deck" - that's a goal, so I will be excited for you because I'll be happy to play against it. Except most of the time these people never deliver. Imagine you're all going on a backpacking trip, some guy commits to buying a stove, and he just doesn't come through so at the last minute someone has to get a fucking stove (some stoves are specialty products). And I find that gross lack of commitment is completely pervasive in Magic. People can't commit to building decks, people can't commit to showing up for the draft, which fucks over the 7 people who did show up.

So, "that guy" who has a pile of fucking cards but no decks - obviously I've encountered a lot of those people. So you're practicing for an event and that guy wants to participate. But he doesn't actually own a fucking good deck so he bumbles around with his casual pile of horseshit that has absolute ZERO chance of showing up at the event talking about HIS matchup that doesn't goddamn matter to us. And not everyone who wants to play Jund can play Jund yet here's this douchebag who has 50% of Jund, 50% of Affinity, but 100% of nothing and he's playing nothing but some garbage Affinity that has Thopter Combo in the sideboard, which is going to help nobody practice. And they can't even bother to print out some proxies to have 100% decks to help everyone practice and get good at the game.

And this happens with multiple people always in the same way with piles of cards that are helping nobody. It would be better if they weren't there but they're there anyways and they're actually disrupting conversation because they think Sword of X&X is good against Lingering Souls. Or in response to someone saying, "I wish we had Affinity here" this asshole says he left his Ravagers at home.

>>52315342
I thought like you when ABU duals were dirt cheap. Only bought the ones I needed. I feel like an idiot now for not buying all of them. That's just an example, but modern is very quickly becoming that bad. It's an every man for himself situation. Doesn't feel good, but it feels necessary.

>>52315784
>only play net/straight meta decks or fuck off
That's what I'm getting from this

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>>52313960

Fuck Storm, it's all about Duck Hunting.

>>52316392
Fuck you guys. If this was posted a month ago it would have been laughed to oblivion. Rightfully so, it's a jank pile.
But because it lucked into the top of an event it's now a hip meme decks

>>52316081
Yeah, I understand it feels necessary and that it's a shit situation and that's Wizards' goddamn fault.

But I'm still not going to be particularly welcoming to horders.

I don't know if other people have witnessed this phenomenon in Standard but for example when Mind Sculptor was wrecking only a few people locally had Stoneforges and Jaces but nobody had the 4 each necessary to build the deck. The vast majority of these people didn't want to play the deck but they wanted to get that sweet $100 trade value out of Jaces; they wouldn't budge on the price for trade. So in the end, nobody ever got the playsets and nobody got to play the fucking deck before his shit got banned.

And it was all because people just would NOT compromise on trading away a card they didn't want and wasn't using. They were so occupied about maximizing value from trading away the card that they didn't even consider that all the potential value someone could get from playing the goddamn deck was just being flushed down the drain.

Like, I didn't care, I was playing Valakut. But nobody managed to put the deck together. Sure they could have bought the cards online, but it would have been way easier just getting them from the people who had the cards locally but the locals who had the cards just didn't want to part with their shit.

Every set I wonder where all the good cards went. The store sells hundreds of boxes yet at FNM very few decks are represented and a lot of people have to buy their singles online. Then I realized that the reason was because all the good cards opened locally are traded to these people who horde - not the speculators, it's also the people who just want to own fucking everything because "it might come in useful one day".

I just want to play against the good decks to practice to learn. But it's not only the speculators grabbing all the shit so they can make 5% gains but it's also the horders who for some goddamn reason must own playsets of Planeswalkers.

>>52316495
Literally never ran into this mass hoarder problem

>>52316477

But that's what makes it fun.

You shouldn't take anyone's opinion in /modern/ seriously, this is shitposting central. It's /v/ only with card games.

MAN I CAN'T WAIT FOR THEM TO BAN MOX OPAL SO I CAN PLAY MY KITHKIN TRIBAL DECK

>>52316602
>MAN I CAN'T WAIT FOR THEM TO BAN MOX OPAL SO I CAN PLAY MY KITHKIN TRIBAL DECK
Actually these few people are complete cancer. These memes are not funny and never were desu

>>52316602
kys, kithkin guy never wanted bans he just wanted advice on his shitty deck

The mox faggots can fuck off though

>>52316582
You mean you don't see people with phonebook-sized binders carrying around thousands of dollars worth of cards.

Because I do. Everywhere. And when you sit back and think about the contents, you see probably a couple dozen top-tier Standard decks that are just never going to see the light of day and are going to sit there, albeit in separate binders, until rotation.

>>52316670
Kithkin guy received tonnes of solid advice on how to improve his game and kept wanting to force Kithkin. We told him it would only end up with tears and nothing but losses and he would learn nothing but he just wanted to play his Kithkin. We even directed him to MTGSalvation where people have actually spent literal years putting together with the deck and he still cried about us being assholes.

Guy was useless if not trolling.

>>52316676
>Standard
Wrong thread buddy. Nobody gives a fuck about standard here

>>52316748
The guy was very obviously trolling

especially since those images of his "deck" were pulled from an older thread

>>52316495
It is true. I had a buddy crack a foil lotv this weekend and he immediately tossed it in his binder. He plays Elves, but he wants to hold onto the thing because it's shiny.

I tell him to go trade it away for the Cavern of Souls he wants for the elves, but he's just keeping it in his binder. He's never going to get the three other lilis, and it's just going to sit there. I buy stuff off him all the time because he doesn't use the fancy rares he's got, even in some jank kitchen table deck.

I'm guilty of this hording too. I'm sitting on a whole bunch of half finished decks because I don't want to shell out for Sorin or white fetches and whatever else. At least I'm in the process of dumping my collection info into an excel file to trade it off with, because I'm just never going to use these Anafenzas.

>>52306012
Half-decent lands.

>>52308407
Tron runs land tutors.

>>52317308
Should I trade a Force of Will that I have no current plans to use for the three Aether Vial I need for the merfolk deck I'm (slowly) building?

I figure I could maybe get three for one, values of the cards being what they are right now.

>>52317453
Are you ever going to buy into legacy?

>>52315342
>>52316495
I get where you're coming from but I'm fully intending to use my cards. I'm talking about owning a set of all 10 fetches, all 10 shocks, all 10 fastlands, and actually using them. In any given modern deck, the lands are the majority of the price tag. Something like, say, grixis delver without the lands is probably about $300- $350. Then you take out the snapcasters and it's practically pennies. The general idea is once I have the potential to make any mana base a deck could want, my ability to brew or try new decks is dramatically unhindered. And the only other cards I would consider buying would be multi-deck staples like Snapcasters or path or goyf.

And I wouldnt be that guy with a pile of cards and no deck, I have a pet deck I always keep together (living end in modern, reanimator in legacy) so people won't ever catch me "inbetween" decks.

>>52317503
Probably not. I don't know if I'll ever have the disposable income required to throw down on a Legacy deck.

I'm already building Modern Merfolk, fer cryin' out loud.

>>52317453
I don't know how your legacy scene is, but unless it's well-off I wouldn't hold onto something for a format you'll never play.
Even if you do have a healthy legacy scene, it's one card. That's nowhere near a deck.
I would sell.

It's like making $40,000 annual, but you lucked into winning a Bugatti. You're never going to be able to afford repairs or maintenance, so it's better to sell it for cash you can use instead of owning something you're afraid to use.
It's not a 1:1 comparison, but hopefully my point is clear.

>>52317559
Legacy doesn't get played much here. It's mostly Modern and Standard.

You make good points. I guess I'm only trepidatious because FoW is currently my most valuable single card and I was beyond overjoyed to pull it. I should just take it down to the shop and see what the guy'll offer for it.

>>52316602
Are we fucking STILL talking about the Kithkin guy?

Seriously let it go, dude was an angry casual, not like there aren't a million of those

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>>52314757
Hey I have a huge collection binder with basically the same purpose. Right now I have at least one of every fetch except Scalding Tarn, some I have a few playsets of like Wooded Foothills and Bloodstained Mire, even a few foil ZEN fetches. I also have almost every shockland, im only missing Watery Grave, Blood Crypt and Temple Garden and I plan to get those soon. I just like collecting cards.

>>52315342
This game was never ever cheap to play at competitively. The only thing thats changed is that nowadays theres more people who play competitively and so the older cards which had smaller print runs go up in price. If you want a cheap way to play theres always a sealed deck of the new set you can make or just buy a huge box of commons to make decks from with your friends.

>>52318077
>cockatrice
Why though

>>52315342
Also Ill refute your last point personally I have a massive collection binder thats filled with Modern, Legacy and EDH staples that I have never taken outside my house.

>>52316676
I honestly rarely see trade binders out and if I do they usually arent very impressive. Just some standard rares and a few cheaper modern staples here and there like Khans fetches, Abrupt Decay, etc

>>52308407
Lmao at this post

>>52314034
I like playing my Snapcasters though.

>>52317689
There is always edh, but being that guy with a force in your deck can get you into trouble. I'd sell it, but why merfolk? Are you gay or a woman?

>>52314034
I have goyfs, but grixis just seems like more fun.

>>52318633
I like Merfolk, and the deck looks fun. It's also something of a long-term-plan sort of deck since my only two current decks are Bloodrush and a shitty Alms Beast+Tainted Remedy self-brew.

>>52318879
Merfolk is not very fun

>>52319019
To play as or to play against?

Any new decks that are fun?

>>52317689
Save it for trade. I sold a goyf I pulled from MMA and have regretted it ever since.

>>52319105
DSJ is a lot of fun.

>>52319105
Burn is fun and is tier 1

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>>52319105
>Any new decks that are fun?
Kithkin tribal. It's only bad matchup is Living End.

Esper or UW draw-go?

If UW what should I do with rhe black cards

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>>52319395
>tfw play living end
My meta is infested with kithkin decks

What's a cheaper UR deck that I can build into Grixis or Jeskai?

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Which jeskai control is better? Nahiri+emrakul or ajani+gideon+elspeth?
My local scene is mostly death shadow decks, tron and combos

>>52319825
Playing against tron as any UWR control is truly suffering, so good luck with that.

I've played both versions and think the nahiri version is the way to go in general. Always pack an elspeth in the side anyway though.

>>52319787
UR Storm is actually super cheap right now, though it does not really build into either directly.

Super budget thing ascension is also an option:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/instant-deck-tech-thing-ascension-modern

Alt

>>52320006
>UR Storm is actually super cheap right now,
Because it's eating a ban this year. Wotc no like storm. They say it's a legacy mechanic

>>52316495
I do this, honestly.

I'd trade them all for equal value of cards I want to play, but NO ONE EVER WANTS MY CARDS AND NO ONE EVER HAS CARDS I WANT.

I'd be better off just selling the cards I don't use and buying the cards I want online, but that's just a lot of hassle.

>>52320006
ehhh... storm is boring.

>>52314034
Because Jund cant Temur Battle Rage-Snap-Temur Battle Rage :^)

>>52320119
Grixis can't either unless you're running more lands that tap for mana than usual

>>52306921
Which is why you run him with a land destruction package. Can't pay upkeep costs with no land.

>>52306564
either? If you have 2 silver bullets there's no reason to mulligan 1 of them away when you draw it

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What is the most supported MTG format? I've heard modern is dead but nobody says why. I want to make a deck that I can play kitchen table and at a competitive setting.

>>52320296
>most supported

If you are slightly competitive right now Modern. It's the cheapest to buy into and lots of people play it

For more casual players commander is the way to go and lots of people play that and enjoy it

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>>52320296
Supported by WOTC? Standard easilly. However, it's a format with varying results, pic related.
People say modern's dying because WOTC has almost completely given up on it, trying to cancel modern GPs or some shit last I heard. They still "care" enough to shimmy up the format with banlists though.

>>52320337
I legitimately think they banned those cards from standard to make sure people were buying as much aether revolt as possible.

>>52320296
Supported by Wizards? Standard, but that's no assurance of quality given it only has 2 competitive decks right now
EDH is highly supported by wizards but isn't really competitive
Modern doesn't get a lot of support from wizards but lots of places run modern events, it's fairly popular among players
Wizards doesn't put much product out directly for legacy but sometimes put 1 or 2 cards in supplementary sets aimed at legacy
vintage is dead
>>52320337
>was about to post this image

>>52317556
I mean, Modern Merfolk is really damn close to Legacy Merfolk.

Funny enough, one of the few changes is a few FoW.

>>52319342
>burn is fun but merfolk isn't

I don't fucking even

>>52319959
You think it's worth packing crumble to dust for tron? What about ceremonious rejection?

>>52320540
My side of choice for tron is actually triple speading seas.

Crumble not coming down until turn for is absolutely awful. It is great when it hits in time, but when they resolve a karn on turn 4 with enough mana to pay for mana leak it does nothing.

Seas also has the advantage of mise'ing junk and jund decks.

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>opponent looks at your hand
>concedes
fun

>>52320734
Is this deck any good?

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>>52320741
it's actually surprisingly competitive. Having 1 part of your combo removed is fine because you can just blink/copy lots of creatures in the deck for value. G2 against eldrazi they took my cat so I kept copying resto, e witness, wall of omens to get more cards and flooded the board with more than he could handle. If you need to combo quickly copying walls and blinking oath of nissa can find your other combo piece pretty quickly.
Affinity is by far the worst match up because they just go over most of my blockers and win fast, but a lot of other match ups are fairly good.

>>52320854
This deck intrigues and disgusts me.

>>52320459
Burn is a lot more fun then putting down lords and swinging its also a better deck

>>52320912
>turning dudes sideways
>any different than turning lands sideways
>more lines of play = bad
>more interaction = bad

I seriously just don't understand burn players at all

>>52320296
just buy into modern right now. take advantage that we just got a bunch of reprints and prices are low

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>>52316748
>>52316905
>>52316670
>>52316602
Not him, but can I bring redemption to kithkin guy?

I just dropped 5 tickets for this list I put together and it is actually doing ok after a couple rounds of testing.

>>52321356
I love mirror entity on MTGO because you're always 1 misclick away from wiping your entire board

When are the Amonkhet spoilers beginning?

>>52321356
have you tried Kinsbaile Bodyguard? seems like it would be good.

goldmeadow harrier seems slow. what do you have rally for? and isnt cloudgoat too expensive?

>>52320741

The Saheeli+Felidar combo got top 32 at a recent GP so yeah it has to be somewhat good to beat a field of several hundred people for the most part.

>>52321652
Kinsbaile borderguard seems like a good option I have not looked into actually.

Harrier is a budget path stand-in for the moment. It is awful, but fills the one drop spot at least.

Rally is a late game out when your opponent has cleared everything. Rally end of their turn, get back every creature in your graveyard for 4 mana, and win.

Cloudgoat may be too expensive for the deck, three kithkin tokens is sweet though

>>52321797
You should re-read rally

>>52320296
>Standard
Technically the most supported but given 65% of competitive players are only playing two decks right now it's no assurance of quality. Maybe wait a month and see what Amonkhet brings to the table. Expensive due to frequent rotation.
>Modern
Wizards apparently still cares enough to print Modern Masters, and I personally haven't had any problem finding local leagues and such, but YMMV. Modern is pretty competitive and is the cheapest option if you plan to play long-term. That said, "cheapest" is relative.
>Commander
Supported by Wizards and fun. It's very popular, though not exactly a serious, competitive format. You might be able to find a league, but for the most part it's a pretty casual format.
>Legacy
Less supported than Modern by Wizards, but your LGS probably holds events nevertheless. I can't speak too much to it, personally, though I know my LGS allows up to 15 proxies and it evidently has enough attendance for them to continue to support it. Also, the reserve list is cancer.
>Vintage
kek
>Pauper/Frontier/Fringe formats
Unless you live in Japan, for the sake of #2, at best you'll have a handful of LGS regulars who have dipped their toes into these formats but probably don't carry those decks on them. They're not supported and will probably never be.

>>52321552
Right now!
The five gods are Legendary Artifact Creature four-coloured, but have no support
Every non creature spell has the new Aftermat keyword
New camel (B) and sandudes tribe (W)
New planewalker WUB from this plane that joins the Gatewatch to defeat that prude of Bolas for calling xer with the wrong pronoum
Artifacts still matter

>>52321985
What's the crab gonna be this time?

How do i play as fast as Corey Burkhart?

>>52322018
A 2RU crab that lives near the rivers 3/5.
Death touch and vigilance.
Rare

>>52322179
>deathtouch
>vigilance
>in red
>or blue
>in red and blue

kekkles

>>52322258
Oh right I forgot Reach

>>52321815
Ah shoot you have got me there. The card I meant to throw in was return to the ranks. I'll get that swapped out

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>>52322287
I don't see a problem here.

>>52322356
Why does this card have reach?

>>52322356
Keywords work like flavor test to me, you can't post a Red with lines about lightining and Reach.
No
No
Im gonna save this and post it in the next bad flavor text thread

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Modern Kithkin redemption, part 2.

The deck is looking tempting enough to take into a modern league.

I am going to sleep, please roast me in the meantime.

>>52320337
I am legitimately flabbergasted about how Standard mouthbreathers can continue throw money at this meme format year after year.

Ok boys. Scalding tarn is too much for me. Where's this illusive Chinaman at?

>>52322987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0eDXcnL4Lw

>>52323001
Lawl. That letter spacing. So obvious

>>52322827

Where is your Cavern of Souls dude? Otherwise run those Flagstones of Trokair and Ghost Quarters.

>>52322827
Needs path and green for coco and teeg

>>52323001

Other than some color contrast issues these do look pretty good quality. I don't need these cards for Modern but I am really tempted to just order all the cards required for Vintage Cube.

>>52322018
>tfw looked up 'crab' and almost all of them are from the new sets
crab lord when, WOTC?

>>52323283
My nigga, a friend of mine also put together Vintage cube on paper together with chinese p9 and such.

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>>52322987
>tfw pulled a normal and foil Tarn from MM3 box and already owned one from a Zendikar fat pack

>>52324159
atlazan maybe?

>>52322827
Looks pretty solid, a set of paths would be a nice improvement and they just got reprinted in MM17 so they should be a lot cheaper now.
>>52323264
This guy knows what's up - splashing green for Gaddock Teeg and and CoCo would really improve the deck.

>>52305910
Why is this?

>>52325930
Because I can't play 5c control under Blood Moon.

>>52326003
as an impoverished budget player, I'm so glad a deck like blood moon exists. Mana bases being hte most expensive part of modern is legit cancer. playing 3 colours should come at a distinct disadvantage (not lmao 2 life this is game changing xdd)

>>52306012
Yu-Gi-Oh but good.

>dicking around with the best decks on Xmage
>Literally cannot win with the popular Death's Shadow lists
>haven't lost and games with Eldrazi Tron
Pleb and proud

>>52322384
Thematically? Because it's using lightning to shock shit. Functionally? idfk

>>52326103
Why should three colors have a distinct disadvantage?

>>52327139
because poor people deserve to win too :^)

>>52320939
Not even a burn player bud, hell, not even that guy, but fish are lame as fuck and put me to sleep when I played them

>>52326103
>I'm so glad a deck like blood moon exists.
I swear you don't even play. Hurrr blood moon is a deck

>>52326103
Basically starting the game at 11-14 health should be a big enough disadvantage to playing 3 colors.

>>52307514
Wot?

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>>52324290
>friend cracked a U/R fetch
>i cracked B/G fetch
>wanted to trade with him and pay him price difference
>he said no so I sold mine the same day
>the next day
>hey anon, I want to build abzan and I really need your B/G fetch

>>52324290
>>52327772
Epic blogs maties

>>52327899
Thanks m8. Atleast I'm not trying to shipost like others.

>>52327772
>Trying to build the outdated BGx deck
Your friend is even stupider than you think

I wish there was a modern deck with even half the lines that a Legacy deck has
I've been trying to find a modern deck to grind league with but I just go back to playing casual legacy games because modern decks are so fucking one note
Please, give me a good deck to play

so, there going to be another mm17 print run? prices are starting to scale back up again

>>52328204
>legacy
>do i have fow
>yes = keep
>no = mul

wew lad, insane lines :^)

>>52328266
Good thing I don't play FoW decks ::::::^^)^)^^^^)^:^)^)

>>52328277
your deck is shit then

>>52328291
niceme.me

>>52328324
nice nothing. I made you look :^)

>>52328362
fuck you got me

>>52328204
Forest Belcher

>>52320939
Fish have less interaction than burn, why the fuck do creature players always say their decks are more interactive? Im an edh player and comming from a format where almost any interaction can happen I have to say flash, etbs, anthems and tapping creatures are pretty basic. Like oh no dude you flashed your dude in at eot/before blocks, next level.

>>52328204
>Affinity
Burn 'em out
Infect
Go wide
Go over/under.

>>52326103

>Mana bases being hte most expensive part of modern is legit cancer

Other than Grove, Tron has the least expensive landbase of Modern if you play non R variants. Also Elves and Merfolk have pretty cheap landbases outside of Cavern of Souls and you can get away with not running those.

>>52328499
I call bullshit. honestly, how does burn interact more than anything else? its literally the most linear deck in any format. just target your burn at the opponents face every single time unless it has a creature thats threatening to kill you before you kill him and thats literally it.

in fish you pick which land you use spreading seas on. sometimes you'll vapor snag or dismember something. you have to think on whether attack with mutavaults or developing your board, or if you'll up your vial counters or not. when do you vial in your creatures and how you attack.

>>52327340
I'm not arguing that fish is some paragon of fun, but it's certainly way more fun than "count to 20"

>>52328204
RUG delver

>>52328499
>Spreading Seas vs Drop a lord vs Swing with Mutavault vs Save muta to block

Is now apparently less than

>Burn him now or in response to something

>>52328855
>count to 20
Fucking epic. You prefer 'swing for 20'
Deck simplification like that is a sure sign of a scrub

>>52328968
Burn literally ony has the options of when to burn and what to burn, it's not like you're not going to swing when its open

Fish has spreading seas, mutavaults, vapor snags, counterspells, vials, dismembers

Just because "XD creature cancer" is a hot meme in magic doesn't mean it's a valid argument

>>52329028
That wasn't my argument you fucking mongoloid. It's like you read my posts then disregard them so you can win this made up argument you replace it with.
Kys fishfag

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