The orcs have been united by a napoleon tier leader and are about

Which side has the better waifu?

>>52280249
Who pays better

>>52280249
In this situation, I would allow the Orcs to make considerable headway against the Elves, before showing up to turn the tide when it's two minutes to midnight and save the day.

This way the Elves, who are "better," will ultimately win, but will be shown that their actions have major consequences and they survived only because of another groups generosity.

>>52280326
The orc's napoleon is best waifu.

>>52280249
Who does my party side with?
Pfff, neither. Let the war drag out as much as possible, then attack both when their resources are completely drained.
Two birds with one stone. And my empire just got extra big.

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>>52280249

I side with the orcs and take the opportunity to take a shitload of elven treasure and slaves.

>>52280819
>>52280326
>both the orcish republic and the elven kingdom start sending daughters of cheiftons and important nobles to woo the human kingdoms to their side
>because of the nature of orc culture they're able to marry faster while elves have to fumble through the complicated courtship rituals
>this leads to orcs getting the most marriages byt elves getting the stronger human kingdoms
>this creates a divide between the orc loving kingdoms to the south and the elf loving kingdoms to the north
>this division leads to several world wars much later
>meanwhile the dwarven kingdoms are laughing their collective asses off while slowly realising that they could become a economic super power if the elves lost

Orcs on this side? Elves on that side. And us here in the middle? Seems a party could make a lot of money in such a situation.

Orcs, because elves are condescending pricks who are the absolute worst. The Orcs would also probably be grateful for all of our assistance, while Elves would just be like 'I guess not ALL of your kind are degenerates'. Having the favor of a new world power is always nice.

Also, because green is my favorite color.

>>52280249
The party never involves itself in morally grey, trope inversion meme scenarios.

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>>52284902

Honestly in this guy's boat here. Also just in general I'm a much bigger fan of orc aesthetics than Elven ones.

The only real answer to this kind of scenario is "whichever side you think is cooler" and for me that's orcs.

>The orcs have been united by a napoleon tier leader

You mean a leader who protects the rights of the people, protects minorities, champions science, and destroys aristocrats? Do the orcs have an equivalent to the French Foreign Legion?

I would band together with other artificers and alchemists to make weapons, armor, magical artifacts, and other supplies and sell to both sides and grow rich and powerful, doing all I can to prolong the war. I would also sell to the human kingdoms at a discount, having them stockpile supplies until its time to take out both the elves and orcs.

>>52284953
Don't forget loves his wife even when they both cheat on each other

Honestly though ops question is too vague for me to decide. War is bad for everyone

I side with the orcs. The racism of the elves and their genocide of the orc race, who only act as their culture dictates, have long made me very uncomfortable.

>>52280401
Mostly this, though >>52284902 is a pretty good point as well.

>>52285250
I know this is /pol/ but I'm having trouble figuring out if it's mocking lefty or righty.

Funny how indistinguishable they become without labels

>>52280249
>orcs are about to go to town on a bunch of massive dicks
kek

>>52285283
tfw i'm not /pol/ and was being serious

>>52280249
>napoleon
Hmmm. French Republic themed orcs? Never done that before. Interesting. Under Napoleon, the French infantry marched in a gaggle instead of the disciplined lines and basically zerg rushed the Perfidious Albions. Interesting.

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>>52285234
>war is bad for everyone

>>52286376
sleep snug, smug.

>>52285234
>loves his wife even when she sucks him

>War is bad

millennial spotted

>>52280249
>elves are massive dicks
>nothing implies orcs are bad
That's an easy one then.

Orcs. We get to help a new world power rise, possibly help shape its structure and culture, and we get to teach the elves that being ancient and haughty doesn't make you important.

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>>52280249
I sell my massive magical superweapon project to both sides, under elven and orcish disguises.

Either these assholes enter stalemate or they wipe each other out. Either way, it's gonna get entertaining for a while.

>>52280249
I suggest to the Elves to employ scorched earth tactics and use their geographical and climate advantages as well as their low reliance of food supplies through druidic orders.

>Getting involved in a war
>where you will inevitably piss large amounts of people off should you have any significant involvement
>not just staying neutral and selling arms to both sides
You could make an adventure out of finding rare magical weaponry to sell on, or be commissioned to find new methods of defensive spellwork

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>Elves have already been expanding into Orc lands for decades
>War ends in a stalemate
>AKA Elves manage to maintain their holdings and win the war
>Orcs have a Napoleon-tier leader and still get btfo

Why are orc savages so pathetic lmao

>>52286792
More like both sides get get there numbers shreded but the elves can't get into orc lands with out getting there infantry raped but they are sucking their allies dry for more soldiers while the orcs arn't as advanced are don't have that many allies

>>52287008
Except, OP said the Elves are dicks and friendless. Orcs should make alliances with Orges, Wolves and dare I say it, Humans to teach the haughty Elves a lesson.

>>52287095
Could also be that elves are a gigantic superpower and orcs are literally postioned right next to them
Also being a dick doesn't mean friendless

If they're Orks, I side wif da boyz. If Orcs, Elven alliance.

>allowing any other countries to get stronger
>ever
Do you even politics?

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>>52280249
I purge the xeno scum and turn the planet into a forge world for the Omnisiah

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>>52280249
Orcs, no hesitation.

One part I have a huge >>>/his/ crush on Napolean. The other, Orc waifus are better than Elf waifus.

Aside from being assholes what are the elves like culturally? Are they British to our French Orcs?

>>52287365
>Likes Napoleon
>Wanting to be Napoleons subordinate
>Not joining his enemies just so you can become his bitter rival
>Start by beating his best generals in critical engagements and campaigns while Napoleon is occupied in another theater
>Not wanting to know Napoleons hatred for you ruining his plans
>Eventually facing the man himself and fighting to a stalemate/losing with heavy losses on Napoleons side
>Not wanting Napoleon to accept you as an equal and admiring your ability to command
>Not wanting Napoleon to write you letters congratulating you on your abilities
>Not wanting Napoleon to ask you himself to join him
>Not seeing his sad but understanding face when you refuse out of a sense of duty

Pathetic Anon, truly.

>>52287575
>wanting to frustrate the plans of one of the most influential and forward thinking men in history
>not wanting to be apart of the greatness Orc-Napolean builds
>Not marrying into his family at his command

Double pathetic Anon.

>>52287575
>>52287611
>not letting the Elves and Orcs beat each other up so you can swoop in and smash their ability to fight you and claim their colonial holdings across the world.
Do you even Perfidious Humanity?

>>52287611
>Wanting to pleas one of the most influential and forward thinking men in history
>Not wanting to be apart of the greatness that defeats Orc-Napoleon builds
>Not marrying Napoleon when you country eventually loses the war (Marie Louise, Duchess of Parma, Napoleon's second wife, eldest child of the Habsburg Emperor Francis II of Austria)


He'll love/hate me and just use you to achieve his goals.

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>>52287633
The only correct answer.

>>52287704
>just use you to achieve his goals.
I'm surprisingly ok with his given his goals.

Most of his reforms are still in use in Europe today, far outside of France even.

>>52287408
OP here, elves are a mixture of british culture with and aztec like religion and are constantly pulling spanish inquisition tier shit for no reason and behave with more dickishness than all three combined

>>52287633
>>52287738
well fuck I guess that means humanity cant be the brits now

>>52287730
>Orc Napoleon is the same as human Napoleon

We'll all be living in mud huts if we allow Orcoleon to get the nuclear codes.

>>52287738
If they're culturally British and worship an Aztec religion doesn't that make their religion the most moderate of all the other Elvish Kingdoms?

Pretty scary to imagine desu

>>52287765
Then why call describe the Orc as "Napolean tier". I assume that extends to beyond the battlefield.

The man was an engineer, philosopher, statesmen, state builder, writer, master orator, and skilled diplomat.

>>52280249
The elves, of course. Orcs are evil.

>>52287786
Because Napoleon irl just built upon the institutions already present in France at the time. Orcs aren't famous for any of those things.

>>52287813
The Revolution tore down most of the institutions at the time, then rebuilt them shittily. Napolean repaired Revolutionary France and turned it back into a country, then into a goddamn Empire.

He's far more than a General.

>>52280249
Standard fantasy orcs?

I side with the elves. Orcs being in a position of power is bad for everyone.

>>52287824
You can't compare 1800s France to an Orc tribe Anon. The knowledge on how to build grand structures, read works from masters of philosophy and their writings going back thousands of years, managing a state, public speaking, and diplomacy were not lost during the revolution.

Napoleon was educated on most of this before the revolution occurred. He could be great at all those things because of the education he received, there was a foundation of knowledge that he built upon.

How could Orc Napoleon know any of this?

>>52287575
>Not being Elf Wellington.
>Not beating Napoleon through superior resources and privilege he cannot hope to match
>Not cucking him every time you find one of his lovers.

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>>52286376

Sleep snaug, Smaug.

>>52287887
Napolean was sent to great schools in which he excelled.

Orcolean must've had something similar, additionally a similar childhood. Napolean grew up as a noble with access to education.

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>>52287633
The eternal Kanglo strikes again

>>52280249
wait for stalemate then kill them both. completely. no survivors

humans rule

>>52287910
These orcs probably don't even have a written language let alone schools and a concept of hereditary nobility.

OP should have called his Orc Napoleon "Orc Temüjin" I think it fits his world better based on the information he has given us.

>>52287957
OP didn't give us any information about the Orcs other than they have a great leader and have been getting encroached upon for decades by dickish Elves.

They absolutely could have written language and hereditary titles for all we know.

>Orc Temüjin
Moving the goal posts, Anon.

>>52287896
Wellington mostly won due to exploiting stupid and/or overconfident marshals, using superior quality soldiers to keep his numbers down, and being the uncontested master of logistics in the Peninsula.
He was also a great tactician, especially defensively, but that wasn't his unique quality.

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>>52280249
We save everyone.

>>52287896
>implying elves are capable of cucking anyone

>>52287981
Dude he said the Elves are British-Aztecs.

If elves are a stereotypical the civilized race that follows that the orcs are barbarians. Aztecs were also massive assholes but they were moderately civilized. Britain was also a civilized nation. That's 3 points of civilization with the Elves.

Unless OP is a massive faggot that just flips everything to the opposite the Elves are the more advanced race in this situation.

If the Orcs are somehow the more advanced race how can we explain a situation where Elves have been able to wipe the floor with them for a decade?


I'm not moving goal posts, I'm just saying that if OP is trying to create a barbarian war chief that manages to defeat more advanced cultures then that is not Napoleon.

>>52288119
>If elves are a stereotypical the civilized race
No mention of that being the case.
>follows that the orcs are barbarians.
No it doesn't. Just because it is common does not mean that it can be assumed here.

>civilized
>ritualistic human sacrifice in the most gory of ways
>engineering flower wars for more sacrifices
The Aztecs were head and shoulders above their neighbors, but they were still barbarians at their core.

>If the Orcs are somehow the more advanced race how can we explain a situation where Elves have been able to wipe the floor with them for a decade?
Infighting can reduce the ability of any group to resist outsiders regardless of advantages.

>if OP is trying to create a barbarian war chief that manages to defeat more advanced cultures
There's no evidence that OP wanted that. There's just as much evidence in OP's post that Orcolean is just and educated and learned as Napolean was in history.

My whole point is that Napolean is a product of his upbringing, which included a lot of education, and moment in history. The French Revolution was ripe for men with the will and ability to effect change to rise to great heights. At 26 Napolean was general of an army, by 30 he was the head of state.

>>52288103
Well Wellington's defining ability was cucking Frenchmen and Italians. So if he cannot be an elf what race would our ntr hero be?

>>52288207
Elves are the stereotypical civilized race, its a further reach to assume they're savages than it is to assume they aren't.

Look at OPs pic, from it we can assume a number of things:
>Elves are more civilized than Orcs (Better equipment)
>Orcs are less civilized than the Elves (Almost no equipment)
>OPs setting is medieval fantasy

If that isn't enough of an indication that the situation is nothing like Revolutionary France I don't know what to tell you. Medieval lower nobility were rarely educated and even if they were not to the same level as lower nobility in the 1800s.

I somehow doubt genocidal Aztec elves attacking wouldn't unite a people.

Not to get off topic but the Aztec were also master builders and had mastered astronomy. They were also able to support a massive population with their advanced agriculture. Their religion was crazy but they were quite civilized. Equal to Rome in their brutality.

>>52280249
let them bleed their armies dry then step in and enslave them both, elves as body slaves/breeders and orcs are livestock/beasts of burden.

>>52286376
Sleep snug, Smug.

>>52288439
OP kind of screwed up by Making the expansionists analogous to the British.
Assuming it's NotEurope, the British mostly fought proxy wars with the odd expedition to fuck people up if they threatened their interests (I.E, the Copehgagen raid/Wellington).

Someone like The Prussians would fit more in a 1:1 comparison of causing not napoleon to rise

>>52288485
>elves as breeders
>wanting elven genes
kys

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How is that even a question

Fuck elves

>>52286385
>Millenial Spotted

Childish, buzzword using retard spotted

>>52287738
>tea time on a blood sacrifice altar

>all elven weapons and martial arts are designed to capture enemies or genocide them in the most vile and intimidating way possible
>blood sacrifice is actually used to boost elven fertility


Just imagine the horror in the faces of Orcs when they have to face a bunch of Elven men with literal murder-boners...
Bet the elves even sodomize orcish captives before delivering them to blood sacrifice altars.

>>52287633
>not giving both sides enormous loans that mean you essentially own their countries in order to continue the war
>not funding extremist groups that won't accept a peace settlement in both countries
You don't even need to invade when you have the golden leash

>>52286376
Sleep snug, smug.

>>52280249
Let the war drag on till one or both sides are so desperate they'd be willing to pay just about anything I ask for. "It's about supply and demand, when people are low on their supply of hope demand goes up. When their demand is up so much they'll be willing to do anything for it"

Elves, because I hate when orcs or portrayed as anything other than completely evil and malevolent manifestations of darkness.

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>>52280249
Make peace between the two factions and recruit both of them for my own efforts.

>>52284932
>Its another "/tg/ thinks any writing scenario that isn't perfectly black and white is edgy" episode

>>52289061

What he said is right, though.

>>52285280
Besides, if we help the elves we might get paid a little but there won't be any good loot. If we help the orcs there's all sorts of nice loot to be had.

>>52289536
like elf slaves?

>>52288934
No, fuck you!

>>52280249
Neither, we negotiate a lucrative deal in manufacturing weapons for both sides and then maintain strict neutrality whilst the money rolls in.

>>52280249
>can either kill orcs or not orcs
>one month later the population of orcs has reduced by 50%

>>52286376
Sleep snug, Smug.

>>52281482
Yeah, but that movie ends with the hero giving all his money away and getting the shit kicked out of him. All he gets out of it is killing a bunch of mexicans

>>52284953
>You and your party are frontiersmen in a small frontier town nominally under the "protection" of a nearby elven duchy
>It's a hard life, made harder by the posh, out-of-touch nobleman who serves as lord-mayor of the town
>Hear tell of a war to the west with the savage orcs, led by the infamous Not!Orc Napoleon
>All of a sudden, there are elves everywhere, with the town occupied constantly by Elvish soldiers who do as they please taking everything from the starving villagers
>One day, all elven soldiers and administrators disappear, and scouts report an army marching over the hills
>The town surrenders, and is occupied by the orcs
>Unlike the elves, the orcs do not hold themselves as "superior" to the townfolk, and act charitably and justly
>They pay for provisions, if one acts disorderly or cruelly he is held accountable, they allow the frontiersmen to organize themselves democratically
>Not only that, the orcs create work programs to improve infrastructure and promote commerce
>Weeks later, the town has grown to love their new friends, and has come to value their presence in the town
>Suddenly, an order comes down from the Bureau of Recruitment
>There will be a general conscription of citizens aged 16-30 in this and every other occupied town
>The fear of the initial occupation returns
>The townsfolk remember stories of how none-elf conscripts were treated in the elven army
>Like slaves, worked to the bone, sent into battle with nothing more than a dull spear
>Everyone waits in the town square on draft day, as a regal looking orc officer reads off names, including the entire party
>Most conscripts are taken by an elf in Orcish regalia to train with the Orcish Foreign Legion
>But the party is taken to the recruitment officer to discuss "Irregular Service"
>The recruitment officer describes the need for individuals with special skills to act as "adventurers" to support the war effort
>The party has been chosen for having these skills

Would you play it?

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>>52289484
It's a "/tg/ thinks subverting a cliche in the most obvious way possible is clever" thread.

>>52280249
I side with the elves, because I'm tired of GMs who think they're being clever by doing the 'orcs were actually the good guys' thing.

>>52280249

Divide et impera.

>>52291217
OP here, reading through the thread i released that i was being too one sided
Orcs are a confederacy, meaning shit will fall apart after the war unless orc napoleon takes full control, orcs also practice barbaric things like cannibalism, use child soldiers, and are constantly flinging elven corpses at elven cities. However everyone is treated as equals in orc society
Helping the elves will also mean less pissed off nobles

>>52280249
>>52287738
>Orcs are innocent dindus led by Napoleorc.
>Elves spend their time ticking off boxes on a by the numbers villain checklist.

Shit tier role reversal, with a strong chance of Napoleorc being a shit tier self-insert sue.

Not even close, totally siding with the elves.

>>52290202
Sounds like fun desu. Killing Elves is always fun.

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>>52289215
Dwarf or Vetinari detected.
I approve

>>52281229
>meanwhile the dwarven kingdoms are laughing their collective asses off while slowly realising that they could become a economic super power if the elves lost
>not selling dwarven work to both sides and watch them slaughter each other with it to be an economic super power anyways

>>52286385
>she sucks him
You probably meant cuck (otherwise it makes no sense) but
>they both cheat on each other
read nigga read

>>52280249
Got to kill all of the Elves, no mercy for knife ears

>>52286376
sleep snug, smug

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>>52280249
We sell them both sticks to hit each other with until someone attacks us, whereupon we destroy the aggressor and their allies.

>>52286376
Sleep snug, smug.

>>52287285
Imperium sided with Eldar canonically.

Thanks Gillyman.

>>52280249

Orcs are Napoleonic France, Elves are Austria.

Fight against the Orcs at first in case you win. If you lose, ostensibly ally with the Orcs, suggesting the Elves buy off Urukean with a Elf Maiden Princess Waifu. Spend the rest of the campaign pulling a Metternich on the Orcs, taking scraps off their table while setting up a continental-scale stab in the back if events allow. Is awesome.

>>52289215
Hey if were wrecking their ability to be a threat to us then they sure as hell wont have an economic power to pay us back.

Elves.

As dickish as they are, a united orcish horde is bad. Crush the orcs and scatter their numbers.

Though you cannot eliminate them, you can cull their numbers.

>>52280249

Elves. Elves, elves, elves, elves. Dickish and conventional versus a revolutionary out-group, are you fucking nuts anon?

It's like siding with the Mongols over China or the Rus. If you psyche yourself up with a few lectures about cultural enrichment/relativity, you may not gag in horror soon enough to keep from entertaining the idea. But imagine having to defend one of those knife-ear cities or mansions against those brutish things- THEY'RE GOING TO FUCKING KILL EVERYONE anon. Never give barbarians half a chance, it is never pretty when they win and even them losing fucks otherwise acceptably crappy civilizations over- imagine where Mexico would be if it hadn't spent the early 19th century being boiled alive on its frontier edges by peoples most of whom the americans were just going to wipe out anyway when they finally got onto the scene.

>>52280249

>Napoleon

Shite tastes detected.return to me when you know your history and can do better than a meme leader.

>>52280249

Do the elves have anything important that could possibly end up in the fucking up of our own empire if the orcs were to get their hands on it, and/or would the orcs capturing the elves leave our empire strategically exposed to future incursions by the orcs? If yes, we'll begrudgingly have to aid the elves in the name of realpolitik, if no, nice knowing ya, knife ears.

>>52297119
Fine, a better meme Washington.

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>>52280249
>Orc Napoleon
>Not an Orc Bismarck who seeks to unite the Orcish peoples under one flag.

Shit taste OP

>>52297337

Stay well out of it then. Once things stalemate, they'll cut a deal, and everybody will end up sharing great-grandchildren in the long run.

>well, jump in to avoid future miscegenation then, I guess

>>52297337

I would be pissed, if I didn't agree with you. Fuck you mate, don't remind me of when the propaganda I was raised on was destroyed by my education.

the orcs because we're blood-brothers with an orc tribal nation (which we helped forge).

If it was an orc Gustavus Adolphus then I'd be worried.

>>52297521

Really? I found Washington to be one of the few guys in the Cicero-on-Cato spot (a man greater than his reputation). Damn near nobody else in all of history pulled a Washington. The man had to be a special kind of repressed lunatic.

>>52280249
Elves because I won't side with the fucking fantasy ooga booga faction.

>>52297596

>a special kind of repressed lunatic
>welp, Cato Uticensis was already mentioned

>>52297596

I mean all things considered he was better than a lot of other guys it's true, but I was raised on red blooded American patriotism. That history class torpedoed a lot of things I'd believed since I was a kid waiving my little stars and stripes on a stick. It was kind of traumatic and jaded me a bit.

>>52297552

Think of all the elf bling and party invites you can get for betraying them now, anon. It's like cashing in on an investment, laundering political capital, turning respectable.

>>52291048
"Elves are dicks and orcs are invading" isn't subverting anything

>>52297735
think of all the elf bling we can loot from the ruins of their society.

think of all the party invites we won't get because everyone's invited to an orc party.

think of all the half-orcs that can be made.

>>52297647

In fairness, that history class might have been full of shit. Big, Boring, Dry, Dull, Scholarly, and Skeptical treatments of Washington have him looking pretty Great Man-ish.

>>52297785

Holy shit he had a learning curve, though. I don't think many people can say they Accidentally'd a global war. There's probably less than one of those for every global war.

>>52280249
Unless one is being blatantly evil try to negotiate a peace punishing the elves for their past crimes but not leaving them destro-
Okay I can't say that with a straight face, probably whoever isn't A) blatantly evil and B) pays us the most OR whoever we end up waifuing the most I'm hoping orcs

>>52298132
Same here. I love helping the faction that honestly deserves help, which I think are the Orcs in this situation. I hate Elves so much after playing Suikoden. Their attitude, along with throwing the PCs in prison for not being Elves, makes me want to burn down their forests To bad I didn't get to do it first

>>52298280
Yeah, it sounds the orcs are in the right here

>>52297785
You mean the Seven Year's War? Didn't a like young Washington go to a French fort and like fuck up diplomatically or something?

>>52284949
Dude, I just want a setting where elves are heavily armored juggernaut barbarians in kickass armor with massive battleaxes.

Orcs hold a special place in environmental protection. Make them the justice league to create mercy with understanding. Total Pan's labyrinth encounter.

>>52298748

...Tiste Edur.

>even their Drizzt is awesome
>I mean, legitimately awesome
>Trull Sengar held back the Lifestealer
>basically the apocalypse orc, that

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>>52281229
>dwarves don't have any good waifus

A doomed race if ever there was one.

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