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So I know that all beholder consider themselves to be the perfect/ideal

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So I know that all beholder consider themselves to be the perfect/ideal beholder which is why they kill all other beholders on sight. I know they're also pretty crazy and evil in general and would gladly murderize other races too.

But does flattery work on a beholder?

Like if you just stumbled across one accidentally, would saying shit like "OH MY GOD, YOU ARE THE PERFECT BEHOLDER. TRULY YOU ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AND IDEAL STANDARD THAT ALL OTHER BEHOLDERS FAIL TO MEET" buy you any time to escape or de-escalate the situation?
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Only if you succeed your skill check.
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>>52269134
If they kill each others on sight, how do they reproduce?
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>>52269165
Every time someone considers that idea a new beholder pops into existence
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Why would beholders even know how language works
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The other part of beholders is rampant paranoia, so it would probably suspect any flattery is a plot to get close and kill them.
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>>52269165
blindfolds aren't a kink, but a necessity
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>>52269165
IIRC they are asexual. They just grow a sac of tiny beholders that bursts, and then they try to kill all their offsprings, but some get away.
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>>52269134
If I was GM in this situation, I would play along and declare the PC is so much wise to recognize this truth, and so gifted in spreading it with beautiful words, that the PC couldn't refuse the honor to become the beholder's new minion.
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>>52269200
You'd think that eventually a mutant insane beholder would not try to kill its children and then that allele would become fixed in the population (assuming beholders have genes).
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>>52269222

Now step into this cage and embrace your new master.
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>>52269134
iirc Lords of Madness does state that Beholders tend to surround themselves with cults of worshippers of other races, so theoretically this could work
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>>52269225
They are aberrations, magical at that, so it doesn't necessarily need to be that easy.
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>>52269187
They're hyper intelligent wizardballs. Why wouldn't they?

>>52269176
>>52269200
>>52269225

There's two explanations given depending on how far back you go and what edition.

One is that beholders asexually split and produce a bunch of smol beholders, and immediately eat or laser the bulk of them for not looking 100% like itself.

The other is that when a beholder manages to fall asleep, he might dream about a beholder. That dream beholder actually becomes real. It gets kind of bonkers.
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>>52269200
Oh it's even better than that. At some point in beholder's life, it fertilises itself. It becomes even crazier and hungrier as it incubates dozens of little eyeball monsters. Eventually it coughs out its womb, chews it off and kills any of its offspring that it decides don't look enough like it. Only the fast and the handsome survive.
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>>52269134
Why would it care that people tell it the obvious truth that it already knows? If somebody who you wanted to kill suddenly told you "Oh my god, you have two legs! There can be no mistake! These are the twoest legs to have ever existed!!", would you be impressed, let alone impressed enough to spare the disgusting creature? Neither would be the beholder. It doesn't need a confirmation of an obvious truth, especially from creatures which are themselves a huge affront to beauty. If anything, it's suspicious that something so horribly ugly finds you so beautiful. All the more reason to kill it quickly.
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>>52269264
>They're hyper intelligent wizardballs. Why wouldn't they?
Murder orbs that vaporize every other living thing out of instinct would probably have little use for or grasp of the sharing of ideas and emotions
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>>52269392
Beholders are insanely vain. They'd probably put you in a cage and soak in the compliments until they lasered you in a fit of accidental paranoia/rage
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>>52269402
They need to learn those spells bruh.

They speak many languages per ruleset anyways.
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>>52269134
As a GM: YES! I would fucking love it!
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>>52269406
>Beholders are insanely vain.
How does that contradict my point? Insecure people need flattery, but beholders are so delusional that they're far beyond this need.
>Oh my god, the grass is green!
>Yeah, why would I give a shit?
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>>52269459
>>52269238
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>>52269392
I don't think you've encountered many Culter Dei
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>>52269233
>>52269406
Sheherazade reloaded, Beholder edition
The 1001 times I bullshited enough the big ball and wasn't disintegrated
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>>52269681
I told you not to make waves.
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>>52269200
>>52269165
Behold everything you wanted to know about their reproduction in one handy image.
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So how do you run beholders as PCs?
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>>52269134
Aren't they also ridic paranoid? So you'll just end up making them suspicious and violent, rather than just violent.
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>>52270603
FUCKING GROSS
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>>52269165
Every time they dream of another beholder, another beholder pops into existence. Sometimes in such proximity of its progenitor there is an instant fight to the death.
Either that beholder keeps being replaced when it dreams of a stronger beholder that kills it, or it dreams of a beholder slightly further away that results in a new beholder without the imediate death match.
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>>52269165
In Fifth Edition, Volo's Guide to Monsters has it that a beholder can sort of dream another beholder or variant beholder into existence. It doesn't happen often, but sometimes when a beholder sleeps, it dreams of another beholder, and this can cause a new beholder to appear out of thin air, fully grown. If it dreams of itself, it might spontaneously create a colony of miniature beholders that look like itself. It might have really vivid, creepy (even for a beholder) nightmares, creating an especially horrific beholder variant.
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>>52271241
I prefer autopregnancy and egg sac thing.
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What happens if you somehow restrain a Beholder and tattoo it? Now it looks different than it did. What does it do?
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>>52270603
>sample names
>manglecramps

Downer was a fun comic.
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>>52269134
>>52269238
From Faiths and Pantheons.
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>>52269225

In Lords of Madness it describes the gestation quite handily. Beholders cannot eat while pregnant, and the birth in itself is rather exhausting. So the beholder is extremely tired, and the offspring scampers to safety before the parent recovers
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>>52269264
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>>52271241
The thing about how beholders reproduce by dreaming of other beholders seems like arbitrary weirdness to me. It's a creative way that a magical creature could reproduce, but it doesn't fit them specifically, because a beholder doesn't have any other powers related to dreams or imagination; creating things out of dreams has nothing to do with its other powers or themes.
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>>52270603
Fucking love Beholders. Favorite D&D monster, hands-down. Everything about them is weird and disgusting and horrifying and insane.
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>>52269412
No, they literally don't. Beholders' eye beams are an inherent ability. Lords of Madness provided rules for beholders becoming true wizards, but it involved blinding their main eye (thus destroying its antimagic properties) and replacing their regular eye beams with the spells that they learn.
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>>52275498
Beholder Mage first appeared in the 3.0 Monster of Faerun book.

Lords of Madness and the other later 3.5 books tended to compile older but popular stuff from 3.0.
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>>52273759
Unless the minds eye counts as an eye with the power to create beholders
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>>52275478
I think they look pretty cute.
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I'm glad this thread exists because I just got a really stupid idea to try and create a Beholder PC. How would you go about handling it, /tg/? I have some eye-deas but I'd like to present you with the challenge of creating a beholder pc.

I have an idea where a beholder invents a human persona to morph into/create an illusion of so he can blend into civilized society owing to a crushing defeat sustained when an adventuring party destroys his lair. Either that or some alchemist attempts to create a "dalek" and programme it to destroy other daleks while attempting to be a civilised member of society.
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>>52270603
bruh
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>>52278335
How do you intend to make the beholder's mind work with the rest of the group?
Even if Loyal Evil, a beholder is has so many psychological issues he would be cited in half the DSM-V.
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>>52269134
They have Charm Person, they can get generic compliments anywhere. Compose them an aria or it'll just be "Shut up, baby, I know it" and more rays.
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>>52279379
There is allegedly a lawful neutral variant of the beholder in 5e? And it's watered down, power level wise so it's certainly worth looking into. I think it's called a Spectator.

I guess a good starting point is to try it as a one-off character who got into a fight with a bigger beholder and lost, getting turned into a confused amnesiac human in the process, but still retains the xenophobic nature and seeks vengeance on the other beholder. He joins the party who would be on a mission to kill said beholder, and at the battle, transforms into his true form. He would also be racist to everyone who isn't human in his human form?
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>>52279877
The spectator has been extant since 2nd edition, you know. 5th edition literally has nothing new.
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>>52279877
I think he would find his current form ugly as fuck and would try to make it more beautiful, for example dressing his hairs like 4 dreads with fake eyes and cie.
A spectator would be easier to play, still a challenge but in a RP-heavy game it would be very fun with all the possible quirks.
Aren't spectators sometimes liked by contracts, for example to keep a treasure? It could have been contracted to protect a NPC or a PC, or a mcguffin the group seeks/protects.
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>>52279911
Yup, sorry, just saw that bit while researching. Don't know TOO much about Beholders atm, I just like their aesthetic to start as well as their xenophobic traits.

>>52280082
Hmm, a contract certainly seems like a good step. I guess creating a successful Beholder type pc is even more so dependent on one's relation with the DM and weaving it into certain plot hooks and the like.

I'm wondering how realistic it is if Spectators and/or Beholders are capable of learning some kind of polymorph or illusion magic to allow them to blend into towns so that the whole militia doesn't get assembled every time the party needs to rest.
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>>52280388
If you want the GM to agree, the less powers generally found only in monsters, the best. So a monster mind in a human body which tries to behave quite humanly will be more likely accepted than a monster mind and a monster body hiding in a human apparence.
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>>52280082
Spectators basically channel the Insanity of Beholders into Obsessive compulsive disorders based on their contracts.

They'd basically be Monk.
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>>52269225
I've seen beholderkin type for third edition. A monster much smaller and kinder than the real thing with non lethal variants of its powers and an adjustment level of +5. Can't remember the name of the critter right now. Kind of cool but my DM did not want it in on the excuse that he didn't want to handle a race related arc.

The funny thing is that it was either in a traps book or a fortress book, official, not third party.
So technically, they're not beholders, they become different species if they cease their omnicidal efforts and change alignments/sanity levels.
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That's fucking gay, just attack the beholder, faggot.
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>>52270603
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>>52270603
>gender neutral
Anyone know any other good RP systems? I am through with DnD.
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>>52281168
Anon, something being gender neutral is fine if they're literally an asexual species. That should only be a problem from something coming from a species that uses sexual reproduction like humans.

This isn't some dipshit asking you to respect their pronouns, this is a magical ball of hate and murder that gives no shits about gender because they have no reason to.
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>>52281197
We all know why they fucking put "gender neutral" in there and that's cucking out to the SJW's who ruin absolutely everything they put their fat, greasy hands on.

Fags. I'm buying MYFAROG have fun with your cuck shit.
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>>52281246
Based
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>>52280989
In that case, what about Paladin?
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>>52280937
To that end how can we make a beholder who can shape shift into human form without breaking the game? And what level should he be by that time?
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>>52281442
Act evangelical or islamic.
Not necessarily terrorist, but whenever anyone ever mentions anything related to your god you raise your eyestalks to the sky and PRAISE [DEITY]

> Well, we need to get going before the sun -PRAISED BE PELOR!- goes down.

If you arent playing homebrew settings, you'd need to be a Paladin of the Great Mother though.
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>>52281498
By changing the game to fit in the beholder, so a fully-monster party.
High level because a beholder can rely on at least three very powerful stuff at high level: antimagic, flying, powerfull spell-like abilities.
As a GM I'd remove the at will quota of antimagic and eyes' spells and replace with per day use. Especially the motherfucking antimagic cone (if you play a true beholder).

If you play a spectator, a planeshift mid-level setting would fit quite well.
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My DM refuses to have us encounter a beholder until he can figure out how to flawlessly mimic Krang from TMNT's voice because he thinks that's the sort of voice a beholder should have.

Should I drop out of his game?
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>>52282563
No, that sounds amazing. Convince him that skeletons talk like skeletor, and that liches sound like the movie version.
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>>52282587
>"Tell me of the loneliness of good, He Man. Is it equal to the loneliness of evil?"

Movie Skeletor was fucking real.
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>>52282563
No that dm is dope. Really you should question if you are worthy to play.
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>>52282872
>>52282587
I don't want that kiddie sjw cuck meme shit in my D&D.
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>>52282898
>kiddie sjw cuck meme

I hope you're talking about krang and not Skeletor.
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>>52282936
Krang. I'm not playing D&D to deal with fucking references and humour. It fucking serious fantasy; I don't want to hear shit that no one but cucks liked.
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>>52282969
>>52282898
>muh dnd
the fuck are you even on about?
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>>52279379
I think you just answered your own question.
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>>52282969
You sound like a great person to play with. I'm sure you're group really enjoys your company.
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>>52283068
It was a rhetoric question for >>52278335
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>>52283080
>>52283067
I'm the only fucker there who's there to just play the game. I don't give a shit if your cocksucking paladin made some cuck vow to not slay the innocent or some shit; if a village needs to be raid, I'm fucking making this fuckers raid a village. And fallen paladins get better abilities anyway; I'm doing him a fucking favour. Same thing with the fucking rogue who's not trying to mug and rob people who aren't in his guild or alignment.

Don't even get me start on them letting a dyke cunt in the game. If it weren't for me, they'd fucking fall apart. But having some fucking children cartoon reference in a game like D&D is a fucking travesty and I refuse to be part of it.
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>>52269134
depends on the DM.

It was a major plot point in our campaign, that the beholders were gathering and we had to find out how to defeat them.

The big bad had found an artifact from the first age that represented the perfect ideal of beauty of the beholder, in this case, around 500 beholders.

She then united them under the banner of this perfect being and of course all the beholders thought this perfect being looked identical to them so they went along with it without question. This being IS perfect in every way. They look like me.

Anyway, we catch on to this, and my barbarian ends up smashing the statue while the rogue screams out of her faux beholder illusion "No, I AM THE MOST BEAUTIFUL ONE"

This set them all off and what went from an army of united beholders turned into a bloodbath pretty quick.
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>>52283158
It sounds like you just need to take a step back and calm down.
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>>52283158
>>52282969
>>52282898
>>52281246
>>52281197
The alt-right was a mistake.
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>>52282563
>>52282898
>muh D&D

im sure they'll do fine without you, anon
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>>52282969
I can't even tell if you're just pretending to be retarded. Good show.
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>>52269134
I don't know about that, but I remember one campaign were I hired a beholder. The DM gave us a metric fuckton of gold and I only spent a little of it because he gave me a macguffin staff that did all the things I wanted already. So eventually we go face off against a beholder, and before we attack it, I realize I have upwards of a million gold so I ask it how much money it wants for the magical sword it was guarding, and to help us take on the evil demon lord that's plaguing the land. I give it a good half of my gold and it joined us on our quest.

I'm not sure if that should have worked or not (I'm not familiar with proper beholder lore) but it was pretty neat at the time.
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>>52278335
Beholder that animates a suit of armor in order to act as a knight like in all the tomes and grimoires it has read over and over until the idea of being a chivalrous knight slaying many-armed giants and defending the honor of a fair maiden has bored its way into its mind
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>>52283158
What does this have to do with krang?
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>>52283158
>doesn't want children's cartoon references in D&D

Nigga, D&D is caked with that shit. Portable Holes and Bags of Holding are absolutely inspired by Loony Tunes sight gags and most of the "original" D&D monsters were based on toys Gygax and Anderson used to represent the monsters they didn't have a real figure for.
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>>52283535
Only cucks, niggers, women, and leftist give a shit about nostalgia. All this nostalgia bullshit only skyrocketed when Onigger got into office. I'm not having my hobby ruined by it.
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>>52283572
What if making america great again is nostalgia?
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>>52269134
>Like if you just stumbled across one accidentally, would saying shit like "OH MY GOD, YOU ARE THE PERFECT BEHOLDER. TRULY YOU ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AND IDEAL STANDARD THAT ALL OTHER BEHOLDERS FAIL TO MEET" buy you any time to escape or de-escalate the situation?
According to Volo's guide, I think so.
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>>52271737

It saddens me this never got reprinted in a collected hardback version. I only have a pdf that I cobbled together some years ago, and I think it's missing a few pages.
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>>52283642
I've got a .cbr with everything except part 16 in it. Part 16 is in dungeon #15. I'm just a scrub and haven't googled how to fix that up.

I can post them if you want.
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>>52282563
Your DM is right. Let him perfect his Krang voice, and stay in the game.
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>>52283695

Go for it.

At the very least other fa/tg/uys might appreciate being exposed to it.
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>>52283756
>https://www.sendspace.com/file/16trlj

Downer the comic. Sort of good. Sort of goofy. Lots of cool art.
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>>52278335
If I were to make a semi-friendly beholder, you damn well know it would be flamingly homo.

>The unprepared adventurers find themselves "eye to eye" with a beholder.
>Fearing for his life the bard stammers "Y-you're the most beautiful beholder I have ever seen"
>The beholder, taken aback for a moment, seductively brings an eye stalk to his lips and responds with "Oooooh my... What an intelligent and perceptive creature has happened upon my home. Tell me, are you a man of the arts to have such good taste? Perhaps a poet? Stay a moment... enduuuuulge me with your musings."
>Force the bard to make up poetry on the spot for the beholder.
>Correct him periodically when he tries to compare the beholder to something like a rose with comments like "You mean to tell me that I am not more bulbous than a common rose? That my stalks are no more... luxurious?"
>Continue until the party decides that death is less painful or the bard sets up a second date with the beholder and escapes.

It would be uncomfortable for all parties involved and that alone is half the fun.
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>>52283868
Thanks but the Dungeon Magazine is missing part 16.
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>>52282898
>my d&d
But he's the DM, it's his. If you don't like it leave and make your own group

>>52283158
You just sound like someone who can't have a good time, I am really impressed there are people who can stand your presence for a session of d&d
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>>52284881
I get feeling that he's baiting. I don't think someone acting like that will get to stay in a game for long.
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>>52283878
Fuck, I'd been approximating the Beholders to Daleks all this while I never figured some of them might be as narcissistic as I am. Great stuff bruh!
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>>52284908
He's most likely a That Guy who they have around because he's and experienced player who the DM knows and thought they would help with the finer nuances of the game.

Assholes like him also just stew at the end of the table in their own bullshit and then explode at some point and ruin the game for everyone, which he'll most likely do when the DM starts gurgling like Krang when some shadowy figure is making threats as an "oh shit" set up for his players.

Had something similar happen to me in a Star Wars RP when one guy just suddenly exploded and tried to kill my character and throw us out of his friends apartment when the B Team I was part of for our infiltration mission that session didn't want to completely derail the game with him. He assumed we had been plotting against him when we were passing notes as a side team to coordinate our part of the mission when the GM was talking to his team and thought that we were ruining the game by not playing just like him.
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>>52273759
The book describes them as warping reality in other ways, although it doesn't actually specify how.

If you wanted to run with it, the best way would be to assume that many of its powers are it warping reality in some way, usually focused through sight.

A Beholder floats, despite being heavy, because it cannot imagine falling, so it warps reality to keep it aloft.

It uses telekinesis by staring at things and warping space until it moves where the Beholder wants it to go, etc.
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>>52273759
The beholder dreams of a beholder even more beautiful than itself, the dream beholder is also vain, so vain that it refuses to acknowledge it's existence is just a dream and wills itself into being.
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>>52284248
Yo tru. Time to find that.
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>>52283158
You sound like you're on the spectrum. Are you sure your their to have fun?
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>>52283641
It would ask you if you are working for another beholder and use is antimagic cone to make sure you aren't compelled to lie.

If you gift it something it may like, it'll probably let you get out. Advantage if you manage to get a good enough check to know about the Great Mother.
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>>52269134
Volo's guide has a section on that I think.

IIRC it would probably end up with the Beholder, if it does believe you, probably charming you to become its minion.
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>>52278335
That or you could make a beholder who has a strong desire to go on adventure like pic related.
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>>52269225
>>52272470
I think it also mentioned that they only give birth once or twice each.
On top of that "good" beholders probably have a higher mortality with the lethality of adventuring instead of forming a nice protective cult of slaves like other beholders, dealing with the whole "misunderstood monster" shtick generating angry peasants and mobs, and other beholders probably wanting to kill them even more.
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>>52269134
If I made a beholder hunter, i'd do it like this:
>approach the creature making the minimum necessary attempt to hide
>ambush the creature screaming 'DIE, YOU FIEN-oh my god, sorry, you are not like all the others.'
>'the shape of your maw... the gaze of your eyes... you must be the one they call the perfect beholder! I've slain thousands who claimed to be you!'
>if the beholder enjoys the flattery, I explain I'm a beholder hunter because I thought they were horrible and disgusting, until I saw him up close and was convinced 'the legends were true'
>If things go right, he goes full bro just because I do his exact same thing: kill horrible impostors >offer to help him in the crusade against fakes and usurpers of his prestigious title
>pretend I'm smoking to throw some smoke bombs at him
>eyestab him while hidden in a totally non-magical smoke
>repeat for every beholder I meet
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>>52273759
>Beholder decides to browse /x/
>Sees a Lucid Dreaming thread
>World gets fucked over
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>>52281013
There are multiple smaller beholderkin, the ones from out in the planes are the "good" ones that are often employed by mages as guardians.

>>52269222
>>52269233
If you're in favour then the life of a beholder cultist can be pretty good as far as cults go, might even end up with some "free" grafts like an antimagic eye.

>>52269264
>>52271207
>>52271241
>>52273759
Didn't dreaming used to only produce the lesser beholderkin like the gauth or eyeball/gazer?

>>52281551
Who wouldn't wanna worship the great mother though? They're the ultimate being and totally look like whatever beholder you ask.

>>52285317
They're described as having a flight organ that you can actually harvest and use.
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>>52289810
Back in second edition, this was an actual magical item for Beholders.

They also had a breed of headless trolls with a cavity in their chest for the Beholder to ride in.
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>>52290488
Yeah, but I'm just saying that if you wanted to go full crazy on the whole "reality warping masters of paranoia" doing the powers not as simple matters of biology, but of madness.

It's like rather than having each eye have a specific power, the Beholder could use whichever eye it wanted to for the 10 powers.

The big central eye is just for it's utter disbelief in magic though. Due to paranoia. "Reality can't change when its not me doing it!"
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>>52269392
Was going to post this
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>>52290191
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>>52289810
This encroaches on Magical Realm but God it's such a great idea.
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Now in the right goddamn thread.
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Okay, here's a really lazy skeleton for a 5e Beholder race:

Beholder-Kin Traits
Ability Score Increase. Your Intelligence score increases by 2, and your Charisma score increases by 1.
Age. Beholder-Kin reach maturity in less than a year. Few ever live longer than 50 years.
Alignment:
Size. Beholder-Kin are around three foot in diameter. Your size is small.
Speed. You have no base walking speed.
Hover. You have a flying speed of 25 feet, and can hover.
Spherical body. You are immune to the prone condition.
Telekinetic Ray. You can use your eye to manipulate an object, as if you had hands.
Language. You can speak, read, and write Common, Undercommon, and Deep Speech.

Lemmie know exactly how much it sucks and where, so I can learn.
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>>52289810
>>52291448
That pic always gives me a chuckle because of that one thread I was in where some autist got absolutely butt-devastated about the pic and started ranting about women and liberal millennial sjws ruining muh hobby despite the autist seeming really ignorant about beholders and d&d in general.
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>>52289810
would you a beholder, /tg/?
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>When you realize that terrifying boss from Rayman 2 was a fucking Eye Tyrant Death God with Undead Grafts for Arms wielding the fucking Wand of Orcus

I know where I'm sending my PC's next! The Cave of Bad dreams!
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>>52292127
I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams.
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>>52289810
>Reverse Image Search turns up this gem.

Goddamn I love you so much /tg/.
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So does anyone know of any cases of beholder liches?

Death tyrants are more like zombies that maintain some magical abilities and there are beholder mages.

I could even imagine a beholder demi-lich, their eyestalks long worn away leaving only the soul gems that replaced their eyes floating around a skull with one massive soul and spell sucking gem embedded in it.
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>>52269392
>>52290630
Key point to remember is that all beholders due to having 2 brains, one of which is hyper rational, the other hyper instinctual, that fight all the time, are by default insano like draino.

Appealing to vanity as a short reprieve on disintegration might work once, for a bit, if the bard was clever and lucky enough that the beholder felt like talking. Its not a great plan as a general approach, but sounds like fun to try in your game.
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>>52281246
more buzzwords
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>>52292354
Elder orbs are beholders so old that their eyes have withered away. They're not undead though, but probably closest thing there is to a beholder lich which is kind of oxymoron since afaik all beholders are clinically immortal, they just usually die violently before reaching elder orb status.
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>>52292577
I'm pretty sure I remember some source, maybe lords of madness, having elder orbs as an actual sub-variety that can live longer than the average beholder but not as long as hive mothers iirc.
The older version may have pretty much been beholder mages before they were a thing.

I don't think beholders are still immortal if they were once so a lich could totally work. I think 5e even has a different version where death tyrants are actually a spontaneous transformation rather than a created undead which kinda sucks imo.
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>>52269143
gay dm detected
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>>52281197
What if the beholder wants to wear a dress and insists that she's, well, a "she"? They're crazy aberrations, that doesn't seem out of line for them.

It's an asexual creature, why use another ill-fitting word instead of calling a cat a cat? You wouldn't say an oak is bisexual.
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>>52293197
Well "she" could make more sense than "he" since they get pregnant and give birth in their own way and their god/origin is called the great mother.
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>>52281246
Nice bait dude.
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>>52282969
>Taking D&D this serious
I bet you don't stay with one group for too long, do you?
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Quick question: say a beholder sees itself in a mirror that distorts its reflection. Would it still be able to see it as a reflection and remain calm, or would it not be able to tolerate seeing such a distorted mockery of a beholder, assume it's another one because there's no way it could be that ugly, and attack the mirror?
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>>52295584
They are smart.
It would conclude that such an insult is the work of an enemy beholder and break it.
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>>52295584
>Medusa are weak against very high-quality polished reflections
>Beholders are weak against grungy funhouse mirrors

I'm sold
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>>52269681
>>52269986
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>>52295584
Most likely it would recognize that it's a distorted reflection. It might be a little disgusted and break the mirror, but I don't think it would fly into a rage or do something particularly stupid.
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So a beholder looks into a mirror
Does it rage at the reflection, genuinely thinking its another beholder as it can't recognize itself or become enamored with the image?
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>>52295954
There's no reason to believe that it couldn't recognize its own form, and they're smart enough to work out distortion after a moment's viewing. If it can't see the mirror clearly and isn't expecting anything like that, it might smash into it to bite the "other beholder" (Because magic wouldn't work due to the "other's" anti-magic cone), but only once and only if it can't immediately tell what's going on.

Basically, what conditions would make you think that a reflection is actually someone else who you really hate, and what conditions would allow you to continue to believe that long enough to ram it? Those are the only conditions under which a beholder might do so.
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