Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52266060
Killing yourself my dude

>>52266060
>staring a thread with false flag trolling

Somebody link me Legacy of Blood and Fire, if you get the chance. I love that shit.

>>52266060
PLD has brought such a lovely crowd to /pfg/

>>52266034
Nope. Basic shit like Raise Dead doesn't do anything of the sort. You can still Res or True Res a guy whose old body is currently a skeleton.

>>52266033
>>52265998
Yeah but you can just cast Celestial healing like three or four times and you're fine again.

>>52266060
It's time to stop.

>>52266023
>How come /pfg/ hardly has any archers in its apps for Roll20 games? Is it because archery is great in Paizo only but not really supported by 3pp stuff like PoW or avowed?

Pretty much. It also tends to be a very static playstyle ('I take a 5' step and full attack' every round forever).

>>52266060

Could be anywhere from her late teens to early thirties.

Personally? Make her 23; young, beautiful and ready to be a lovely wife and caring mother, her future was torn from her with a demonic child ruining her womb and the scars of an oversized monster ravaging her.

>>52266089
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/67321/legacy-of-blood-and-flame

>>52266096
" The state of undeath is considered a severe moral crime as it violates both a person's body and soul."

From 'Black Markets'

>>52266096
But then if undead can spawn naturally how can we say that they're truly "unnatural"?

Also if raising basic undead didn't do anything with a person's soul then why would Pharasma actually care?

>>52265862
Dropping this in the new thread too.

>Corrupted Modulation
>Prerequisites: Aether pulse class feature, at least one modulation clause known, avowed level 3rd.
>Benefit: Choose one modulation clause you know. Whenever you use that modulation with your aether pulse (including alongside a shape), you can choose to gain additional corruption to overcharge it. If you do, your aether pulse deals an additional die of damage, plus one further die of damage per 5 caster levels you posses. In addition, you take corruption equal to the number of dice of damage your base aether pulse would inflict, including the additional dice provided by this feat.

>If your aether pulse deals damage dice equal to your caster level (such as from a second-selection aether blast), the overcharged modulation instead adds twice as many additional dice of damage. This additional damage does not increase the amount of corruption you receive.

>In addition, your aether pulses using the selected modulation (regardless of whether or not you altered its function with this feat) ignore resistance to its damage, and creatures that would normally be immune take half damage instead of none.

>Special: Whenever you gain access to a new grade of clauses, you may choose to change this feat's selected modulation to another one you know (including one you just learned). You may combine this feat with overcharge modulation; if you do so, calculate the corruption you take from this feat before adding the additional damage dice the overcharge modulation provides.

I added in a note so that it doesn't punish blasters more than shape users but functions properly for both. Assuming this looks good I'm gonna grab it for Adalicia I think.

>>52266130
Thanks. I'm shooting an app this way just as soon as I get done with my cute, teenaged demon-rape victim app for Planned Light Domination.

>>52266146
Pharasma cares, its a violation of the soul

And all undead are evil by nature, so maybe creating a bunch of horrifying monsters who have instilled in them an instinct to tear apart all living things is.. Bad.

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>>52266130
Personal favorite to listen to while workign on my notes for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNDnoWMyJ8M

>>52266115
See, you're a helpful dude. All these other guys just bitched, but you gave me good advice. Is low 20s really better than that late teens First Marriage age? You gave a pretty good pitch already, but I'm still on the fence.

>>52266154
it already made it to the page anon

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>Hype for the idea of running my game bi-weekly for two alternating groups
>Key player who has helped me put this all together has zero interest in the game if it's bi-weekly
>People are excited for the bi-weekly idea so I don't want to disappoint them
>Don't want to disappoint key player
>Both options are going to make me feel like fucking trash

Whyyyyyyy

>>52266023
>tfw I've made two archer apps for /pfg/ games under different names

>>52266191
How many cute boys will be in this game? Because I feel like that's a relatively untapped niche.

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>>52266132
Except there's nothing in the rules about that.

A skeleton is just a skeleton. It does not have or possess a soul. Only intelligent undead have or are souls, and even THOSE aren't necessarily the soul of the original creature. Only in certain circumstances is this a thing, like Liches.

So you know, when you raise a Phantom Armor? You're not pulling a guy's soul back down from heaven. You're CREATING A SOUL WHOLESALE OUT OF NEGATIVE ENERGY.

>>52266146
Ignoring the possible answer of 'Paizo a shit'...

The aforementioned would be a good reason why. Because you're saying 'fuck the system' and making souls out of negative energy.

>>52266165
Undead don't have to be evil. There's some nonevil ones. And I mean one could just cast Celestial Healing a few times and they'd be right as rain! Heck, even a Devil could do that! They'd still have the Evil subtype, but they themselves would still be Good!

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>PLD is ostensibly dark souls inspired
>nobody has applied as this fun-loving rascal yet

>>52266209
Edna is kind of a dick and seems like a control freak.

>>52266209
Clearly, the only choice is to run two bi-weekly games with alternating groups AND one weekly game.

>>52266209
I honestly think you should run the single group weekly with the player you want in. I mean you might displease some of /pfg/ for doing that and making it clear choices are being made with the background in mind, but as a DM your biggest responsibility is making the game enjoyable for yourself.

The idea of having two bi-weekly groups to satisfy so many players might be nice but you'll still get the same amount of sessions personally with just one. Long term issues like drop outs or simply coming to prefer your A-team are possible. Just keep it easy for yourself.

A possible compromise though. Run one group weekly with your key player, run a second group bi-weekly if you really need to. But I do think you should just run one weekly if there's someone you want in.

>>52266165
See you say that but any undead that are manually created are made to do the bidding of the person who created them, and if they aren't intelligent undead then they don't get any kind of saves to resist your will. Therefore it doesn't matter if they "have an inherent hatred of the living", if I want to raise a zombie then have it give me and my crew massages, and nothing else, then that's what it's going to do.

>>52266259
I mean, Edna is 2hu so...

>>52266232
Because being Patches is significantly less amusing once you take a monster horse dick up your ass and mind break.

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>>52266287
Rape Horse when??

I'm gonna be a Myrmidon Lore Warden Fighter. I plan on using a Dueling Sword. Should I go Mithral Current and Scarlet Throne. I'm having a hard time deciding.

The other discipline I am focusing on in Golden Lion if that effects the recommendation.

The plan is either Mithral Current or Scarlet Throne is my focus and Golden Lion is my secondary. The focus with be about 60/40. Since I'm a fighter I can afford to spend feats on Advanced Study and the like.

Also is there a guide somewhere for the full list of things that interact with the Dueling Sword. I found the Sword Lord PrC, but it doesn't play well with initiating, and I found a number of feats that help, but it seems like there are a bunch of odds and ends knocking about.

>>52266259
>>52266278
Please don't call people out, if I wanted to make this a petty attempt to point fingers I would have done so in my original post.

>>52266278
That explains why they quizzed me in discord about what kind of avowed I was planning to build

>>52266299
>>52266299
Edna literally posted publicly on your thread on the matter

>>52266023
/pfg/, do you guys like shipping? Because I have an important shipping question for you all!

>>52266287
>not kicking people into rape pits for fun
>not turning tail and fleeing the moment things turn against the PCs
>not setting sail on the grandest ruse cruise of all time

>>52266209
And now you suffer
Not because you disserve it, but because you wanted to make as many people happy as you could.

Don't really have any advice, but good luck. And remember that some people apply to games with the assumption that the meeting listed in the listing is final.

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How viable is it in Pathfinder to play as a Dragon without Polymorph abilities?

>>52266313
Anon you just ask the fucking question and it the thread falls apart for it what the fuck ever.

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Hey guys

Have you ever wanted to fight

A spooky skeleton cowboy. http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/undead/pale-stranger/

You might actually get this chance in WWW

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/72295/wild-weird-west

have some fantasy weird !not america fun

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https://youtu.be/Ua0zMsDiAyg

So hey. I've started fiddling with Armorist, fixing it up in a few places, and I'm looking for some feedback on it, as well as some potential ideas for Arsenal Tricks and Advanced Techniques.

TL;DR, Arsenal Tricks are for the bigger things, and Advanced Techs are for smaller quality of life things, or things that would be nice but not worth spending an Arsenal Trick on.

It's not finished yet, but some changes that immediately come to mind are things like staves being available for binding at 4th, and summoning weapons is the same as drawing them, so things like quickdraw or Improved Quickdraw affect it.

I'm also gonna go rewrite Blaster once I'm done with this.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQDdqMaRxAEJC0b6nHyEGaVrbzhO0_izYBJHcc_qRZ0/edit?usp=sharing

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>>52266313
Love it.

It's the best.

>>52266322
You're still going to get raped yourself, and if you actively try to avoid ever getting raped you just won't get into the game at all, you literally can't play if you won't fuel the DM's fucking rape fetish.

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>>52266221
Depends on your tastes, I suppose. There's a pretty wide variety of menfolk (pic related, for one) and a fair few women.

As a rule though, "cute" as in "trap" is going to be few and far between.

>>52266322
>getting killed off immediately afterwards

>>52266313
who are we shipping

>>52266360
>not getting spared because you're one of the best merchants

>>52266326

There's probably a few 3pp resources that can help you do that.

Also, that's not a dragon.

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>>52266331
>>52266349
I just want to know what character from Puella and what character from LoBaF would make for the cutest couple.

>>52266358
>few and far between
More than expected.

>>52266198

Make her late teens if she's a city girl or some part of the nobility (even if it's merely local) while early 20s for a rural woman.

Is this the voluptuous Paladin girl with high-con? Was her vicious rape what encouraged her to become a Paladin?

>>52266378
>impossibleshipping

Fuck that

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>>52266313
I ship. What do you want to know?

>>52266332
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/undead/pale-stranger/

Oh man, Pale Stranger is fun. Made one with a few Gunslinger levels, and gave it the ability to take several rounds to line up its Stranger's Shot against multiple targets.

"It's High Noon~"

>>52266358
I'm not talking traps; that's silly. I'm just talking lithe youths with lust in their eyes and impure thoughts in their hearts, you feel me?

>>52266326
In what world is that a dragon.

That looks like whatever the fuck Beast from Beauty and the Beast is.

>>52266402
it looks like a mix between that and a GW2 Charr

>>52266312
>posted oh your thread

You mean the place where It Should Be. Not everything needs to be brought back here.

Just focus on the gm asking a question/wants to vent a personal moral struggle.

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>>52266373
I only have pictures of Human sized dragons, I know you can play those. Thanks.

>>52266390
She's part of the nobility, and yes, this is indeed the voluptuous Paladin girl with High CON. Her vicious rape was an important formative experience, though it's really the acts of other characters that encourage her to become a Paladin despite the vicious rape.

>>52266392
See >>52266378

Guy who only played 5e here. My LGS that I just found runs Pathfinder games every wednesday. What should I expect if I want to get into it?

>>52266444
autism

>>52266444
Monster rape.

>>52266428

Make her 23; she got ravished at 17, had the kid-monster at 18, spent a while broken and depressed, and then got her life together at 21 and spent the next two years becoming a Paladin.

Also, what do you mean her "first" marriage?

>>52266378
Despite a lot of general discussion on both games, neither of them have managed to put out a single meme character. Maice and Lysander are the only Puellas I've seen mentioned, and the same goes for Gamze and Sakara. Incidentally I think Maice and Gamze have the same player.

I think Maice is the only one there with any hinted interest in romance, so I guess her with someone from Legacy?

>>52266444

You need to figure out what they're playing first, since it could be anything from an AP (good) to Society (get away.)

>>52266466
they don't need one, PLD is a fucking meme

>>52266202
Huh, cool.

>>52266459
I meant that First Potential Marriage Age range, in which the fictional character was able to be married for the first time in their fictional life. I realize that was kind of vague.

I like your advice, too. Thanks a bunch, Anon.

>>52266466
I've seen a handful of other mentioned semi-often. Keli, Bon-Bon, and Cashmere, mainly.

>>52266466
Sakara is apparently having a crisis of identity, so the PLD character would have to be someone that really wants to inspire and help people.

>>52266497

Oh! Well if she was desirable than the marriage range for a noblewoman was 16-25.

Always glad to help!

>>52266558
Kinda what I was working with. I figured she'd end up with this first marriage at 16, because she had a savvy family, but her eccentric husband went over the line and Tomed Up, and things got weird, and loads of people died.

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>>52266209
New plan! Whoever kills the Ogre will be crowned champion!

Secondarily I strongly feel >>52266271 as a reasonable solution. Everyone who was fine with being in a bi-weekly game can join that one and hey, maybe I will even run it on consecutive weeks now and then if time, planning and focus permits. This feels like a suitable compromise between the two.

>>52266564
>>52266547
So is 2hu just getting an automatic in for this game?

Is there a way to play a barbarian with a familiar? Not an animal companion, but a full-on familiar that never goes above small size.

I want to play a cute girl with the world's angriest housecat.

>>52266585
You can be a Bloodrager.

>>52266209
It sounds like you need to corner this "key player" and rape them to show dominance. The DM always controls shit, not some vain player bitch. Maybe some rough butt love will show them who's boss.

>>52266540
I figured they got name dropped but never discussed. I might've missed it though. All very cute, but the pickings might be slim on Legacy side even with /u/. Interesting characters but I think the app format makes them harder to grasp and the lack of lewd leaves them way more down to Earth than most lists.

>>52266556
Actually, I bet Lysander would be down to bang a snake so we can start there. Might be too easy of a couple though, like, I don't know if they'd have any shenanigans.

I may be overthinking this.

>>52266577
Kinda. They helped construct a great deal of it, I'm interested in having them as a player and I like their character concept. I mean there's a chance that it might not pan out that way but it's pretty slim.

I'm sorry if you're an applicant and this leaves you feeling upset, betrayed or cheated.

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Next Up Is... Rhea.

Rhea! Rhea! Rhea!

>Little barbarian girl wants to be a hero!
>Trains for years to accomplish her goal
>Helped by an unnamed mentor
>Spends a while doing minor heroic shit.
>Meets an unnamed friend (Gonna call them Toiletbowl)
>Toiletbowl is traveling to Kintargo, and informs Rhea of the shit going down there
>Rhea hears about martial law being declared, travels to Kintargo to find Toiletbowl
>Finds things are better than expected, but no sign of her shiny porcelain friend.
>Rhea vows to solve the mystery!

An idealistic wanderer gets in over her head, and dragged into the birth of a rebellion.

Good:
A missing friend gives her an immediate and strong connection to the plot.

An outsider's perspective, and one not even from Cheliax, provides some unique storytelling angles.

Oh god, someone who's not a skill monkey!

Bad:
NAMES! NAMES! NAMES! Toiletbowl is a major, major part of the bacsktory does has no name. Why?

Where is she from? A character from the Land of the Linnorm Kings is different from a Shoanti which is different from a Bekyar which is different from... etc, etc. A tiny bit about her culture would be great.

Personality is kind of generic; she needs an x-factor, something to differentiate her from other characters.

>Appeal 4/10, some potentially interesting plot threads, but nothing makes me want to see those plot threads explored.
>Backstory 3/10, BORING. The culture shock could be a worthwhile angle, but her culture is never mentioned.
>Compatibility 7/10, I can't see anyone have problems with her personalitywise, and being a tanky melee fighter sets her apart from the Bards.
>Rebeloscity 8/10, an outsider clashing with a culture she doesn't understand, to save someone she barely knows.

BARD COUNTER: 1

Up Next, Noel!

>>52266585
VMC Wizard or Witch maybe.

DHB's GM here again. Had a side session for DHB today, a sort of session 0 he and one other player requested. Anyone want me to drop the dirt.

>>52266556
A bunch of the female apps are starry-eyed young girls who think they can make a difference in a dark world. Keli, Fusille, Bon-Bon, Cashmere, and Amelli would all fit that role.

Tell me more about Sakara, I don't know as much about LoBaF apps as the Puella apps. By our powers combined, we can figure this out!

>>52266617

Anon, would you please stop raping people to show dominance? We didn't need it with the pizza guy, and we don't need it now.

>>52266652
But it's the only way to make a strong impression. If you don't rape them, how will they ever learn?

>>52266556
>someone that really wants to inspire and help people

So... Bon-Bon?

>>52266585
Being a bloodrager lets you get it as a bloodline familiar. As >>52266635 said VMC witch or wizard will get you it. A wizard school will probably give you more mileage than a few hexes. Also a wizard discovery can give you Time Stutter for mini-time stop.

>>52266640
No.

Let the man have his privacy.

>>52266623
>>52266642
>>52266666
In truth, the Sakara player needs to finish the app with a more detailed personality section. I'm assuming that's coming since they just added a longer backstory. Obviously there's a lot of sexy dancing involved with the character, but it was all for the sake of necessity so we don't know how down to fuck she really is.

>>52266666
Bon-Bon and snake sounds great, a two woman circus and dance show. I'd ship it if impossibleships were worth betting on.

>>52266660

The only thing anyone's learned is that from now on, we have to order carry-out.

>>52266341
>So hey. I've started fiddling with Armorist,
Another anon beat to the punch
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NyV2ScbDMk7WHwLQt8z8MVfBQfBsiVa3pykH_tcTGMY/edit?usp=drivesdk

But let's look at yours anyway and see how they each work and where they can both improve

>>52266640
This >>52266677

>>52266640
Depends
Are the Players Okay With It.

Don't know the context and I don't care if it's anything spicy or plain, if it was a side session that the players wanted to be Private, then it should stay that way.

>>52266694
>chocolate candy has ranks in Escape Artist
>snake has ranks and racial bonus in Escape Artist

I want to see how this pretzel gets made.

How cheesy would it be to combine Ordained Defender/ZweiSent Warder // Warpath Follower Inqusitor, take the Conversion and Black Powder Inquisition, and use a Musket Ax to switch-hit with?

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>>52266341
>does nothing to fix the shitty enchantment spending system
>still limited list of special qualities you can get
>all it did was give some new shiny toys
Wow, it's nothing

>>52266694
>>52266765
Seconding this ship already. Who is our second power couple? Does LoBaF have any dudes or dudettes that would want to sweep a sweet girl off her feet and protect her smile?

Using 1pp, is there a way to leverage Skill Focus (UMD) to be more useful and/or set me up for something good a few levels down the line?

Got a scroll & wand crazy bard (Constantly buying scrolls of flaming sphere, searing ray, fireball, etc. ends up cheaper, offers great utility than just sinking it into magic weapons) and want to improve my odds to succeed when I UMD in combat.

>>52266837
Tomasz and Shanan seem like they'd be kinda sweet, and maybe Hogoth has a soft side.

>>52266754
In his words he said:
>I enjoy greentexts, if you want to greentext the campaign at any point you have my permission.
He didn't give specific approval of this side session. The side session though was more he wanted to work out things in his back story and didn't want to have the other players wait for this.

A brief summary is:
>guy become absolutely obsessed with a serial killer that killed his younger sister, has his life fall apart as his obsession for catching the man consumes every other aspect of his social/professional existence

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/pfg/, I'm extremely bored and want to build One Piece characters. Can anyone give me ideas on what I should gestalt to build this guy? Bonus points if you can figure out what I should do for the whole spooky situation going on with his body.

>>52266900
bard

>>52266900
Bard|Some kinda Bushi?

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>>52266791

It'd be melted and served on warm toast with some nice peppers.

>>52266904
Obviously, but let's face it OP characters are way too strong to not be some kind of Gestalt. What do I mix it with?

>>52266899
I'll bite, I also love greentext.

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Stat me!

>>52266930
Size/Type: Large Magical Beast
Hit Dice: 5d10+25 (52 hp)
Initiative: +1
Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares)
Armor Class: 15 (-1 size, +1 Dex, +5 natural), touch 10, flat-footed 14
Base Attack/Grapple: +5/+14
Attack: Claw +9 melee (1d6+5)
Full Attack: 2 claws +9 melee (1d6+5) and bite +4 melee (1d8+2)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Improved grab
Special Qualities: Scent
Saves: Fort +9, Ref +5, Will +2
Abilities: Str 21, Dex 12, Con 21, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 10
Skills: Listen +8, Spot +8
Feats: Alertness, Track
Environment: Temperate forests
Organization: Solitary, pair, or pack (3-8)
Challenge Rating: 4
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: 6-8 HD (Large); 9-15 HD (Huge)
Level Adjustment: —

>>52266899
OK
That's fine, as long as it isn't something the person wouldn't want to share.

>>52266900
Rubato Bard (focusing on M.Current and E.Flux, with a bit of Unquiet Grave), Gestalt with Swashbuckler because why not.

Also, as for the fluff, it wouldn't be exact, but a Samsara or that one race of cosmic Egyptian outsider golems may work for the "die but still have something to finish" angle

>>52266023
I think because archery has become somewhat despised.

People who want to play a ranged character don't want to create a character in EZ-Mode, and try to instead optimize something different.

Like kineticists, firearms experts, tech users and so on. Things you can take the CharOp into maximal-autist mode for without having to worry that you'll be leaving anyone behind.

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>>52266941

>>52266958
good now fuck off

>>52266864
Well, theirs skill unlocks.
Also, Item Mastery Feats can be useful as well

>>52266968
Elemental Flux Stance, Searing Wind Break, Silver Crane's Spiral.

Hey who wants to play a PvP F/SN game?

7 players, you have to be PoW except for Caster who is a Spheres Caster with Advanced Talents. You're all level 10 with a level 5 Master following you around.

You build the level 12 servant I give you a master. You still get to control both characters but you randomly get assigned a master. I as the GM can have the master do a certain number of things against your wishes every session depending on their personality. Every time I do this it gives you a "Fate Point" (we're using hero points).

Also you get a noble phantasm which is a single level 9 Maneuver or minor artifact weapon which I work with you to design.

>>52266332
Hey guys, FYI, i'm extending the application period of this so I can wait out the other games and pick off their stragglers i mean not force people to pick and choose and give them more than enough time

And if everyone else can have a month long app period, i guess i can too or something

>>52266999
>PvP

christ.

>>52266974

With the item mastery feats, it says I need a base fort save of +4, +6, or +7 depending on the feat. Is that coming from my class, or if I have have a high con, class bonuses, feats, and traits will that satisfy the requirement?

Because that definitely interested me, but it seemed like it was off the table.

>>52266968
It's not weak, because you can focus on boosts and still wreck face. It's just that it's way easier to make even better, so it's boring.
When you're given a bevy of options, few people will want to go for the already-strong things to make stronger. A lot of people, given the choice, will instead choose to take weaker options and then trick them out to be cool and fun; it lets them flex their optimization-muscles without actually breaking anything.

>>52266999
Man, do you have a cheese cupboard ready?

>>52266999
>PvP
Ew
>F/SN
Pass
>clunky master mechanic
No thanks

Why can't we just fight Corrupted Servants summoned and controlled by Angry Manjew?

>>52266999
Also in addition there would be a booklet of rules to make the game more Fate like.

I was also choosing a city for it to take place in and am currently debating between San Francisco and Seattle. San Francisco is easier for me to GM though.

>>52267008
Yeah. Otherwise it wouldn't be very F/SN.

>>52267042
don't use pathfinder.

>>52267017
Base <X> Saves refer only to bonuses coming from your class levels, nothing more. However, by RAW (if you're not using Fractional BAB/Saves), if you multiclass into multiple classes with good Fortitude saves, you'll get that extra 1st-level bump to a save multiple times, allowing you to access Item Mastery feats slightly faster.

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Noel Aulamaxa and Scarlet Dominica

>A young starlet is pissed at the government
>Poses as the male scion of a local noble line
>Hoping the family's fucked up family tree will hide her
>Using the assumed identity to fight injustice

A young nobleman (female), who uses his skills to fight injustice wherever it rears its ugly head.

Good:

The writing does an excellent job of reflecting the character's devil-may-care personality. All the little tidbits in the bulletpoints at the end significantly flesh her out by using her actions, rather than simply saying "she thinks/feels/does X," a trap which even the best apps I've reviewed thus far sometimes fall into.

Character perfectly fits the tone of the AP. This is one of the few characters that wouldn't work anywhere else.

Background NPC is named! And said NPC isn't a mentor!

Bad:

Dunno if I could "buy" this character's jump into the more militaristic aspects of the revolution. I think she needs a slightly bigger push.

Other than kidnapping her friends/family, I don't see many potential subplots for the GM to take advantage of.

Yo dawg, I heard you like Bards...

>>52266999
>You're all level 10
>You build the level 12 servant
?

Is Puellanalysis kill?

>>52267033
I was actually gonna take one of the servants, most likely Lancer unless someone really wanted him, as an antagonist servant to force things along when people try and turtle. Also there would be anti-turtling incentives.

>>52267026
I've run this a few times before. It'd be part the course. The last few times I ran it things went great. The last time our first death after 8 total fights was on the morning of day 4 at 3am. Assassin died in a fighter against Berserker.

The last time I ran it Rider ended up pulling through in the last fight and beating Saber and Archer who had teamed up, it was great.

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>>52267071

>Appeal 8/10, I want to see this character in action; I just wish the backstory gave her a bit more to do.
>Backstory 9/10, short, sweet, and to the point. Also serves as an overview of her personality.
>Compatibility 7/10, Personality shouldn't have problems, giving the party a place to crash is useful, but DOUBLE BARD.
>Rebeloscity 10/10, an artist, a rebel, a gender non-conformist, and a con artist who routinely shits on the Chelish nobility. This character could be the iconic NPC for the entire AP.

BARD COUNTER: 2.5

Next: Reina

>>52267082
if only puella was dead too

>>52267050

Right, right. At the very least, taking that dip isn't a good idea for me now, but down the line it might be.

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>>52267042
>Yeah. Otherwise it wouldn't be very F/SN
Grand Order

>>52267092
Yes thank you.

>>52267076
Mistyped that. meant you'll all be level 10 and you build a level 10 servant.

>>52267047
I've done it multiple times in the past with Pathfinder and found modified Pathfinder works fine. Other systems work as well, particularly the time I tried it with Exalted, but the Pathfinder ones ended up a better overall experience.

>>52267086
Elemental Flux

>>52267103
>F/SN
>Same as F/GO
Fate grand order is also silly.

>>52267108
Do the servants have to be historical/mythical figures?

>>52267108
i'm glad you've found retards willing to suffer the awfulness of a pvp game then

>>52267085
Well, mark me down as interested I guess.

>>52266999

I think the last time someone ran one of those on here, a city got nuked.

Apparently it wasn't a fight or anything, just happened.

>>52266956
I just took a shower and I'm wondering if his Devil Fruit honestly just made him into a lich without the evil.

Think about it, liches are undead so they have no Con and use Cha for everything, and when statting a lich I believe it gives you a template that boosts your Cha (among other things) during the ritual. That kind of thing would be PERFECT for a minmaxing Bard/Swashbuckler, both of which use Cha for almost everything and also explains why Brook isn't quite as strong in combat as the Monster Trio.

That just leaves me wondering, if I build him assuming he's a lich, is there an ability stat spread that I should use or do I build him as his original species first then apply a template?

Did the RotJR pbp DM ever follow through on those logs?

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>>52267122
GO gave us Best Counter Guardian who finally fulfilled his dream to be an hero
GO is best!

>>52267125
Hoping to find more here!

>>52267123
I would ask that you choose a historical/mythical/semi-fictional figure I'm flexible on what 'semi-fictional' means, Frankenstein's Monster might get a pass, John Snow wouldn't. If you want to do something off the wall like Emiya I would actually direct you to a booklet I have of previous holy grail wars I've run.

It has:
>surviving masters
>surviving NPCs
>perviously used servants

So you can draw from that.

You all would be participating in the 9th Holy Grail War set in either 2021 San Francisco or Seattle.

>>52267127
Aye aye.

Messing about with a Vigilante Hangman AT character, have some worries because someone brought something that's slaying me as far as Grapple bonuses, a little worried about being outshone. Anyone got some spicy tips for grappling bonuses, especially getting that CMB up on 3/4 BAB while avoiding giving up my sweet rope/whip grapple tricks?

>>52267148
I'd say start Human, with typical Cha/Dex tray, since even before he died he was a Rubato/Swashbuckler, especially if how potent the Arrow Notch Strike supposedly is and how he made it before he became a pirate

>>52267179
John Henry as Berserker?

>>52266864
Yeah, go prestige into Arcane Savant. You eventually get the ability to cast from scrolls using your own caster level instead of the caster level of the spell on the scroll. Since the UMD DC for activating a scroll is based on the caster level, it means the DC for you to activate a scroll will increase by one ever time you level up. At that point, you need bonuses other than just your skill ranks to keep up.

>>52267205

I was just about to look into that because magical aptitude offers a better bonus over the long run.

>>52266462
>want to run a playtest
>force people to make fuccbois
>still expect enough people to apply to actually be able to playtest
Either loosen your inane requirements and let the game be a proper playtest of the system, or drop the "playtest" facade.

>>52267204
>John Henry
>Berzerker
>not Lancer who qualifies because sledgehammer is a weapon on a stick
>not the man who IRL had E Luck and Battle Continuation

>>52267204
>John Henry
Oh yeah definitely. Not sure Berserker would fit him though.

>>52267154
Poor Kiritsugu

>>52267221
>2hu

>>52267179
Teddy Roosevelt is Rider.

>>52266968
>archery
>is weak in PoW
Nigger what the FUCK are you on.

*NOTHING* ranged uses Solar Wind, Elemental Flux and Riven Hourglass like actual fucking bows. In fact even Tempest Gale is fucking viable because you're using fucking bows.

>>52267205
>>52267220

Esoteric magic makes my dick hard, same with that ability you mentioned, scroll master.

>>52267021
>it lets them flex their optimization-muscles without actually breaking anything.
If only 2hu wasn't so fucking autistic that he would actually understand this. Instead nope it's straight to Samsaran Blood Money with Fey Obedience (Magdh) and Orator.

>>52267220
I played a Magus that went into Arcane Savant and although I'm pretty sure it wasn't as optimal as going Magus 20 it was a blast, because I enjoyed being the Scrollmaster and always having a spell on hand for what the party needed. Restoration and Permanency plus Blood Money was a fun benefit too.

>>52267235
Yeah sure. I relaxed more recent historical figures as Heroic Spirits because most people are more familiar with recent figures.

So is anyone excited for Starfinder? I always like a good space rpg, because then I can force my players to live out my secret fantasy to be Joss Whedon and direct Firefly, being a cruel and angry god who takes away any character they like while ripping off Star Wars

>>52267231
He might be an autist, but he isn't a retard.

>>52267273
Why does everyone get so mad over Orator?
It's not that bad. You're taking TWO FEATS.

>>52267235
>>52267204
>these martial servants
>not making Caster Elijah
Ita like you don't wanna bring the Fire from on high! Or have a sick fire chariot that'd make Rider jealous.

>>52267306
It's more that it's just the icing on top of being a build that effectively needs nothing but Int to blow away all other classes.

>>52267227
Battle Continuation is a pretty universal skill, and Henry didn't have E rank luck. If he did he would have lost and had all his accomplishments be meaningless, not win at the cost of his life.
>>52267230
Just coming up with ideas here.
>>52267309
>Elijah
>Not Elisha
Bears > Fire

>>52267202
I agree, and I'm going to imagine for hilarity's sake that his Phylactery is his afro. At the very least, from a Pathfinder perspective, it would make sense to have it be that to give a mechanical reason for him to be so protective of it.

Also in response to the current Ranged debate, one thing I always find funny that people neglect to think about a lot in these kinds of discussions is the inherent difference between Range and Melee, that being that Range is almost as if not just as powerful as Melee but you know, AT RANGE. Meaning that you're dealing just as much punishment as the guy with the sword but from all the way over on the other side of the battlefield.

>>52267281

I'm playing a bard and really trying to have something for every combat situation to give my party the edge. Three guys stack up in a 10 ft square? Drop a grease. Swarms. Alchemist's Fires and Acid Flasks aplenty. BBEG has high AC? Aid another! BBEG has a save-or-suck? Saving Finale!

My last adventure, the heavy dpr guy wasn't there, so the party kind of sucked. Decided that I need to pick up some damaging options too, so at least my character survives if no one else does.

>>52267309
How is Caster not Rasputin?

I can't decide on what kind of oracle I want to play.
I'd like to pick a mystery that has a CHA-to-AC revelation, but those seem to all suck.
I don't even know if I should go the full-caster route or be warrior. I generally dislike playing a full-caster as a warrior though.
What's a good kind of oracle to play?

>>52267363
>Time mystery
>sucks
???

>>52267357
Because Rasputin is already statted as an Oracle 18, so just copying and deleveling is lazy.

>>52267363
>lunar oracle
>anything but the best mystery

>>52267357
Because Rasputin would be waaaaaay to overpowered. Also, I'm near sure he'd somehow end up being all Servant classes at one simultaneously.

>>52267349
>>52267309
>not Ehud as Assassin

>>52267421
Is it Heracles who could be any class but Caster?

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>>52267363
Lunar mystery, stick in Pally levels, take Chosen One archetype. Be a Disney moon princess.

>>52267444
Because I'd rather something that isnt 85% Japanese military leaders

>>52267297
Psychic Armory isn't even a PoW archetype, that's the Warsoul. A regular soul-archer would basically be using a longbow anyways, just a wis-based one.

Without even touching Aegis (and boy can aegis ever touch things):

Elemental Nimbus Fire: 2x Initiation Modifier per shot in fire damage (oh don't even try to whine about the type we'll deal with immunities in a moment). However, on the off-chance it can't stack with Cascade, we'll leave the stance entirely out of it for now.

Elemental Breach: Ignore all Energy Resistances/Immunities and +50% to all damage of your active energy type for 1rd.

Cascade of Elemental Wrath: Full Attack, + 1 additional shot above and beyond everything for just 3 animus if you have it. Each shot is entirely of your active damage type and deals additional damage equal to 1d6+Initiation Modifier of the active damage type.

From the boost+wrath alone your volley at BAB 16+ will be 8 arrows (Animus Shot + Haste + Rapidshot + Manyshot + 3 additional iteratives). Each will tally all that damage up and x1.5 it, ignoring resistances and immunities of the target.

With no effort, NO FUCKING STANCE YET, no type-switching like you SHOULD be doing with the feat chain, with init-mod of +8 we're already looking at a bare minimum of 2d6+5(Enh)+6(meh Str)+10(Deadly Aim BAB 16)+1d6+8, or due to type-change: 1.5*(3d6+29): an average of 59.25 per arrow, with virutally no optimization and just a single fucking stanceless pair of a single discipline's abilities.

Add in the stance damage if nimbus combines, or worse yet throw in a twisted-wind-shot from solar wind by using the riven hourglass level 8, and you should clear into the 4 digits without much work.

If you REALLY wanna start doing big damage though, well, we'll have to pick our class and abilities a little more closely.

>>52267374
>CHA-to-AC revelation
>Time mystery
???

>>52267464
mathematically thats false

its like 40-50% nips, and one of them is just a dude who is a fighter pilot

Noob question. Can rapid shot, manyshot, and deadly aim stack?

>>52267497
yes

>>52267444
Because, honestly, it's not his best work. In fact, I'd say its horrendously rushed

>>52267506
and yet still better than F/SN

>>52267497
So how does rapid shot gel with manyshot? Rapid shot is two seperate attacks, whereas manyshot turns one shot into two arrows. Does it simply add an arrow to one of the two rapid shot attacks? Or does it add one to both?

>>52267444
>why would you run a game everybody is familiar with and understands the basic ground rules and conceits of the system vs running something nobody has ever heard of?

>>52267520
Probably because it was written by a competent writer as an actual story, and not a porn game made by a hack who's obsessed with shellfish and forcing dumb psychology things

>>52267540
>he hasn't watched Drifters

I pity you.

>>52267504
You stupid fuck if you're going to make that claim at least realize that elemental breach is a level 8.

>>52267543
the irony being that the guy writing it literally recycled his hentai designs into his most famous work

>>52267553
>level 15 damage comparisons

Completely useless.

>>52267556
>This feels familiar in my pants
is a pretty good way to make sure people remember your characters!

>>52267527
Rapid Shot just adds another attack on top of whatever ones you already have. Manyshot modifies your first shot to double up. They just work beside each other normally.

>>52267570
>never actually asked or pointed out any level ranges in his original simple statement of "archery is weak in PoW"

>>52267592
Thanks anon

>>52267553
While I agree anon is shifting his goalpoasts, I'm curious if those same disciplines hold up at low levels.

>>52267594
Please, level 15 is when a Scarlet Thronefag can bust out a quadruple damage Sense Motive strike on a Reflected Blade Style.

>>52267540
>something nobody has ever heard of?
You mean the hottest new anime/manga written by the guy who made ducking Hellsing, the most well known and received bloodfest to ever hit both Japan and the West?
Well fuck you, you fuck turkey

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>>52267540

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>>52267631
What's Hellsing?

>>52267677
christ.

>>52267677
Whoops, wrong image.

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>>52267677
>You must be 18 or older to post on 4chan

>>52267677
If you didn't spend so much time at the Glassworks or playing with your sword, you'd get some culture, you varlet.

Have you never known the pleasures of Tien chapbooks? They rival the Histories of Lord Avon, if I do say so myself.

>>52267610
Several +1d6 options or better: Nimbus Stance lets you pick between Fire (init mod to damage), Electrical (+1d6) or Cold (+1d6) and if that would be a problem you can switch to Earth (+1 effective weapon size) instead. At level 6 you should have manyshot, rapidshot, can easily have haste (RH), and two normal attacks.

A level 6 Flux/Hourglass user can thus be running around with, before any feats or enchantments, 5 arrows per round, 4 of which are fired at full bonus. You still have a swift action to either add force damage to an attack, or to have used a counter; solar wind's intercepting shot is particularly nice as it helps protect allies as well. If solar wind, level 7 would unlock searing break, where you'll add an additional 3d6 to each attack.

>>52267071
>>52267091
Thank you for the review! I'll take it to heart if I am fortunate enough to be able to play. The bullet points were a late addition to the sheet, and I was worried that they would come across as too "lolrandumb", but I'm glad that they turned out well!

>>52267677
Edgelord gorefest animu with Dracula, sorry, Alucard as the cuhrayzee anti-hero protagonist fighting Nazis.

>>52267748
Nazi vampires, get it right

>>52267748
Do people still take hellsing seriously? They didn't get that it was am over the top parody like Eva and jojo?

>>52266023
Because ranged characters get feat taxed to hell, have a harder time getting their damage to scale up greater than two handed weapon guy, and don't get access to nearly as much stylish shit.

>>52267677
You ever wanted to see Vlad Tepes massacre both Nazi Vampires and an Extremist Catholic Crusade in the middle of 1990s London?
Ever wanted the greatest CE villain monologue of all time?
Do you like big tittied blonde British former police officers, and Diamond Dog level French Mercenaries led by French Solid Snake?
Ever wanted to see how crazy a Paladin can get?
Watch Hellsing. The OVA though, the 90s anime kinda suck. Or just read the manga

>>52267778
Hellsing wasn't really a parody, more like an extended exploitation flick.

Eva was playing it all straight and taking itself completely seriously.

Jojo was just Araki throwing shit in faster than his editor could stop him.

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>>52267804
Yeah you have to watch Hellsing: Ultimate for the correct experience.

>>52267778
Hellsing is more of a pulpy exploitation funtime than it is Parody

if Tarantino was a weeb, he would make Hellsing.

>>52267808

It's possible that Jojo is semi-autobiographical. Would certainly explain why Araki never ages.

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>tfw you will never be headpatted by Vlad after he's just finished impaling some dudes

>>52267852
why live

>>52267852

That scene was weirdly sweet.

>>52267799
Because they have the advantage of being at range from the enemy.

>>52267570
>>52267611
>>52267610
So basically what I'm hearing is "fuckface doesn't actually do ANY math, parrots what other people say without doing the research, and >greentexts without thinking or acknowledging that he's wrong".

>>52267863
Did they ever do crashing an sr71 in an anime or movie i didn't pay attention to?

>>52267967
Please, if you want to do level 15 as a benchmark, by all means show us how you're holding a candle to the Scarlet Throne/Shattered Mirrorfag.

>>52267611
Take your face out of your anus for a second and explain to me: How in the fuck does the existence of scarlet throne automatically mean that archery is "weak in PoW?"

What the fuck about archery is "weak in PoW"?
Can it NOT overkill things several CR above itself? Can it NOT one-round CR25s at level 12 like everybody else? Does it NOT somehow murder whatever the fuck you want to murder like it's supposed to murder them? Archery is very strong outside of PoW, what makes it suddenly lose all power?

Go the fuck on: TELL ME. WHY. IS. ARCHERY. WEAK. IN. PATH. OF. WAR. YOU. COCKMONGLING. CUMGUZZLING. FLOORTILE. LOVING. MANCHILD.

>>52267988
>FLOORTILE. LOVING

Oooooooooooooooooh!

>>52267984
The burden of proof lies upon those that make the first claim, fuckface. You've claimed that your memebuild can hold up to scrutiny and blows archery out of the water; now show your research and proof, or else you're little better than "durrrr how can there be global warming if this winter was colder than normal???/?"

>>52267988
>>52267999
Weak by comparison, come on. There's no contest that melee's got the lion's share of the combat-breaking shit.

>>52267984
>MUUUHHHHRRRRR MUH ONE BUILD TO RULE THEM ALL EVERYTHING ELSE MUST SUCK MOMMY SAID I WAS THE BEST

goddamn, boy, this is why the minimum age restriction should be mental and not physical out here.

Gameplay debate is great when it's an actual debate. This, I might take rapeposting over this.

>>52268006
Nowhere did you say "by comparison". You made the claim that it was simply "weak". Now pull up your big-boy pants and admit you're wrong instead of moving goalposts.

>>52268009
>muh Elemental Flux ISN'T a one true build
Come on, son.

>>52268024
By that logic we can say that Paizo only monks aren't weak because hey, hey, they can totally beat fights by themselves, right?

>tfw you think you have been doing the right thing but others give signals you are being That Guy instead

>>52267999
>>52268006
Shifting Goalposts, asshole. "Archery is weak".
Not "archery is not as powerful as X", flat out declaration: "archery is weak in PoW".

That means it's a positive declaration, which means burden of proof is required from you, not from the people who didn't even need to try and prove you wrong until you provide this.

>>52268034
That's not even close to the same thing. The difference is the following: A monk cannot function on their own, without a party to support them (many characters are like this, those that aren't are considered overpowered, such as the INT-SAD wizard). An archer still does perfectly well, even greatly, in PoW while competing against Scarlet Throne users, because archery goes from Great into Fantastic, while melee combat turns from Decent into Fantastic; the jump is more noticeable in the latter, but they are at the same bracket at the end of it all.
>>52268054
Hold on, are you against Fuckface's claim, or against the rest of us who are shitting on him for the claim?

>>52268067
I am against the claim that archery is weak in PoW, and against the shifting goalposts of "no one plays at these levels you can't do shit at level 5-6".

Way I see it, anything that with only basic optimization in the field can take down at least CR+1 and better as you put in more effort is not a weak combat style. Archery opens you up to doing way more with your remaining "build" than trying to get your damage up to par. There's no way the most multiattack-happy single weapon is weak when it's going to be grabbing all those per-shot upgrades available.

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>tfw playing life oracle
>tfw every other character is hitting on me
I just want to heal people

Did Sultanas and Raisins pick the winners?

Who got in?

>>52268149
Physical displays of affection heal soul and invigorate body.

>>52268158
If it did, they haven't accepted yet.

IT'S ALL A RUSE.

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>>52268149
And we just want to fill you with more life, since you're dispensing it for everyone all the time.

It's to help you, to help!

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>>52268162
>>52268168
The sad fact is that I hate everyone I'm traveling with! They are all crazy and won't stop killing!

>>52268168
Learning from the previous thread how young these characters are makes everything about their interactions make so much more sense.

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>>52267091
You thought it was Reina, but it was me HANA a goddess in everything but name! (Reina delayed because I can't find enough substantive comments to make about her.)

Hana la Chantelle

>Ethumion mistaken for magical prodigy, because Ethumion
>Sent to Wizard school, at considerable cost to parents. She flunks out.
>Turns to escapist media and games to make up for her failure.
>Ends up getting involved in Wizard Ball
>Turns out she's a 1337 H4XZ0R, making her super good at the game
>Joins Shensen's team, decides to go into it professionally.
>Learns bardic magic from the elf
>Sportsball movie happens
>Hana's team winning a lot
>Game gets banhammered
>All of Barney's declarations are solely targeted at making Wizardball unplayable
>Team falls to Pesh addiction, except Hana.
>She "channels her passion for games into the protest"

A young gamer, streamer, and general dva.

Good:

OVERWATCH MEMES SON

A sports star is an unexplored angle (for some reason /pfg/ doesn't have a huge love for sports) that could potentially be interesting if the flavor was fully embraced.

Bad:
Wizardball and its related paraphenalia is anachronistic as fuck, with no good reason; other than the author wants to play DVa. The joke may have been cute if it had been executed with any degree of finesse or subtlety. A Diva bard named Hana is *plenty* to get the point across. This is just kinda insulting.

Being on a first-name basis with Shensen is a bit much, especially considering she's the iconic NPC of the AP.

Personality is bland and one-dimensional; the bit with her parents at the start is really the only bit of human emotion we see from her.

"Inner fanaticism and rage" is hardly the term I would use to describe her reactions to Thrune.

Yet another Bard. A bard with a backstory that had to be twisted and contorted to support a bard.

>>52268329
>Appeal IS DIS EZ MODE/10, I enjoy funny characters; this is not a funny character, this is a stupid joke.
>Backstory 4/10, bits with her parents are legitimately compeling. Shame nothing else is.
>Compatibility 3/10, no personality conflicts, backstory doesn't fit the lore, yet another Bard.
>Rebeloscity NERFDIS/10, could have shown a side of the revolution that even Paizo has seemed to ignore. Too bad it didn't.

BARD COUNTER: 3.5

>>52268149
I actually played a character who had a big focus on treating disease, healing, and the like. This was on an online game and the other person apparently skimmed some of my stuff and assumed I was a heal slut.

I was a Street Doctor/Grave Robber who stole cadavers to do research on.

He began hitting on me. I told the player to fuck off.

It was an odd experience.

>>52268329
>tfw I don't play overwatch
>I thought it was cute and creative someone made up a whole sport for their character's backstory

O-Oh

>>52268329
what game are you reviewing from?

>>52268355
>not seducing him, tying him down to the bed, and dissecting him to improve your studies

Shit tier mate

>>52268365
Hell's Rebels.

>>52268365
Hell's Rebels I believe

>>52268368
He was a coworker. I was an academic, not insane.

Also my character was a guy in his mid 50s, but he wore a mask and had a constant Vocal Alteration effect to disguise his voice. The guy was convinced I was a girl.

>>52268383
>you missed the chance to go full buffalo bill on his ass

you will regret this my dude

>>52268369
>>52268373
When do the applications for that close?

I was gonna to pretend to be a hardcore anarchist political theorist but actually just secretly worship protean lords because I had a hard on for chaos.

>>52268401

Tuesday. Better hurry.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71538/hells-rebels-literally-cant-even-edition

>>52268329
Yikes. I think you're looking for things to bitch about that don't exist, ReviewAnon.

>>52268329
What >>52268363 said, I thought that it was just the right kind of silly lightheartedness for Hell's Rebels as the GM wants to run it. I didn't even notice any le epic Overwatch meeems.

>>52266999
>Servants
>Level 10
Give us 15 at least, m8.

>>52268405
We're meant to be hipsters, right?

So my ideas currently are:
>Secretly chaos worshiping political theorist
>literally Diogenes the Cynic as a druid, wanking off in the street, living in a barrel, plucking chickens, everything
>a wizard neckbeard NEET who lived in his dad's basement, and was kicked up just prior to Hell's Rebels starting and went to the rally to meet up with his divination board buddies

Which should I go for?

>>52268406
>>52268414

Character is:
>Female professional gamer/streamer (two things that don't exist in Golarion and were invented solely for the game)
>Named Hana
>Literally has the "Diva" archetype

That's a bit too much to dismiss as a coincidence; if I'm wrong, then I'll retract it; but everything else I said still holds.

>>52268430
All fullcasters are banned, and we've already got two NEET Int-based types.

The real question is, which one do you think you can make the most interesting?

>>52268509
>All fullcasters are banned, and we've already got two NEET Int-based types.
Wanna gonna be a spheres Oracle/Druid.

>which one do you think you can make the most interesting?
Probably Diogenes, I love the shit out of Diogenes.

>>52268513
>Wanna gonna be a spheres Oracle/Druid.

Doesn't matter.

>No full progression spellcasters or full progression psionic manifesters

>>52268513
Spheres or not, no full progression casters. You COULD be a partial-caster that's still Diogenes though; maybe an Inquisitor of GoFuckYourself-ia.

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>>52268549

Hello there!

>>52268562
Our groetan priest ask help with divination
He got help but also reminded us that all of our feats are meaningless since all will be reduced to dust eventually anyway and you might as well give up now

First post decides which dragon type i go for my bloodline.

>>52268642
Time

>>52268642
memes

>>52268642
fucking blue, duh

>>52268642
jizz

>>52268642
asparagus

>>52268642
Orange

>>52268509
This is Hana's submitter.

I do agree with you that Hana was a parody character. She's written to be a gamer girl, and I had to finagle the whole "gamer girl" concept into Golarion. She has a lot of jokes built into her character as well - only her name was Overwatch, but she had "Wizardball Python" and others as well.

However, I wrote her that way because I felt she was a good fit for the general silly and lighthearted tone that the GM wanted for his campaign.

I don't necessarily disagree with your review, but I look forward to your writing in hopes of getting constructive criticism to improve my writing, and I felt that there wasn't much of that in your review, and there wasn't any specific points on where or how the personality might be made more interesting other than a generic "it sucks" as soon as you got to the gamer girl part. So, in the interest of personal improvement, can I ask how you would improve the post-gamer girl parts of her personality? She's currently written as:

- Ecstatic that she found something she's good at, and annoyed that the government took it away from her.
- Wants attention and popularity to offset her past depression, hence the "streams".
- Puts on performances for her fans, both out of caring and out of a need to be popular.
- Still very devoted to her parents, and doesn't do what she wants to (protest) in order to not drag them into the mess.

Thanks.

>>52268642
guilt

>>52268713
Something about the reviews tonight has been bothering me and this made me understand what, they feel more rushed and less constructive than usual. Usually I like to stick around for these just to see what's said about other characters but it's kind of felt less useful with the current batch, not much beyond the usual call for names.

Which I still disagree with unless you need to refer back to someone a lot, just because it leaves the DM room to fuck around if you leave names out.

>>52268720
It's probably either a fake ReviewAnon, or the real one letting celebrity go to his head. Thinks it'll make him more of an interenet stud to talk about how shitty and stupid people are rather than offer actual criticism.

>>52268757
Who the fuck knows or cares

>>52268757
My personal bet was actually drinking.

>>52268757
The only reviewer that was ever any good was the guy that did Dragons 2 apps

>>52268787
Puellanon was helpful

If I want to make a scythe wielder, what should I do for a class? Any especially good feats? Third party is fine.

>>52268713
First off, thanks for trying to initiate a dialogue, rather than just calling me faggot! If I'm being unfair, I'd like to know why, so that *I* can improve.

Alright, now on with the rebuttal.

> I felt that there wasn't much of that in your review, and there wasn't any specific points

Correct. I didn't dig into specifics, because this character looked like a one-note joke. Now that you've actually demonstrated that you care, I'll be more than happy to dig into it in-depth.

>However, I wrote her that way because I felt she was a good fit for the general silly and lighthearted tone that the GM wanted for his campaign.

This is the core of the issue.

I don't think the joke works; the gamer paraphernalia feels out of place, and is actively detrimental to the app, because it weakens the traits you've put into the character; since all of them are part of the archetype.

I'll try explain using the traits you've listed.


>Ecstatic that she found something she's good at
That's true for basically every streamer; few people hate the game they're streaming.

> Wants attention and popularity.
While it's not true, there's a pretty huge stereotype that the only reason girls stream is for attention.

>Puts on performances for her fans, both out of caring and out of a need to be popular.

Once again, not a unique trait.

With the exception of her parents, which I said was legitimately good, and the constant battle with depression, which isn't really supported by the text (but is also good), every personality "trait" you've listed can be summed up by saying she's a "gamer girl."

That's my issue with the character, and the app in-general.

It spends too much time building up the machinery and framework to support the joke, that it seems to forget that there needs to be a well-rounded character at the core.

Whether I'm being fair or not is certainly debatable but that was the thought process behind my original rating.

BUT, it doesn't have to be that way!

I am entirely against this. Running two biweekly games will not actually reduce your workload (since you will still be running Hell's Rebels once a week) and will reduce the individual quality of each game (because your focus is split, the players' overall investment and attention span is lowered, and the group does not have as clear a picture of what happened in the last session).

If your reasoning for reducing the game's frequency to once every other week had something to do with an extremely tight schedule from day to day with minimal time to dedicate to tabletop gaming, I suppose I could understand such a thing. "I cannot decide which players to choose, so I will " however, is flimsy rationale that makes you sound weak, indecisive, and more concerned with trying to please everyone because you cannot bear the thought of turning people down.

Also, bear in mind that a campaign that takes place every other week game actually makes scheduling more inconvenient for some people, myself included. If I, for example, devote every other Thursday to this game, then unless I just so happen to find an every-other-week Thursday game that slots in perfectly (unlikely), every other Thursday of mine will be spent doing something other than actually playing.

As well, you had explicitly stated in the original listing that the game would run once every week, possibly once every other week due to your own scheduling concerns. If you run two games every other week, then there is the distinct possibility that you might have to cancel one group's game in a given week, which means that that group now has a four week gap between sessions.

What did he mean by this?

>>52268757
>Thinks it'll make him more of an interenet stud to talk about how shitty and stupid people are rather than offer actual criticism

If people are more interested in being stupid and shitty than improving, why expend the energy to actually criticize?

>>52268900
Them being basically guaranteed a spot makes me sad. It basically means I've got tp have a schedule aligning perfectly with them to get into the weekly game.

>>52268914
2hu has the most open schedule ever though.

>>52268917
Thanks for pointing that out! I had actually just misread the times they posted.

>>52268900
>makes you sound weak, indecisive, and more concerned with trying to please everyone because you cannot bear the thought of turning people down

Wow, what a nice person. I can see why you'd give them an automatic acceptance into your game.

I'm obviously not finished yet, but here's what I've got so far for the Brook sheet. I opted to have the Skeleton count as one full level since the amount of ability score boosts, DR, and everything else is more than enough to equal out against a gestalted level IMO. Also it's just easier having the actual classes be even instead of choosing one level to be Skeleton Warrior/Bard, for instance.

https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1150615

>>52268900
I completely agree with touhou here, actually.
Running two games is fine, but hindering one just to let the second happen is bad practice.

I think the GM's new idea to run the first as planned, and the second alongside at a slower rate, is an improvement, though it might lead to other problems.

>>52268935
He's not wrong though. It means some of the story is getting split up, less attention to either set of characters, and the scheduling pretty much means a single cancelled session is a deathblow.

>>52268935
That's said in a very blunt way but actually true. Trying to please everyone will just lead to problems.

>>52268943
/pfg/ games are normally every other week though?

>>52268984
If it was what the GM promised in the first place, that's fine.
Similar if there were scheduling issues that came up midway forcing the GM to change their plan.

But changing the game schedule purely because of party indecision is a weak call.

>>52268900
>every other Thursday of mine will be spent doing something other than actually playing

A nightmare scenario for 2hu to be sure

>>52269018
>But changing the game schedule purely because of party indecision is a weak call.
Why?

>>52268984
>>52269027
Honestly, who as a player actually prefers a biweekly game to a weekly one?

People can settle for biweekly, but is anyone claiming it's ideal?

>>52269027
I also fail to see how not playing Pathfinder every makes the scheduling more difficult

I mean I get why biweekly is shit and agree but the specifics of that point seem totally incongrous

Can you guys help me out with a kineticist element?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10JFe3zdvpr4jOmSaP6OdFU5iaaVT0MBjz0lPuMQEOE4/edit?usp=sharing

I'm trying to go for a bit of a debuffer with some body horror flavor, maybe some natural attack builds too. But I'm stuck on how to flesh it out and refine it.

>>52269040
I'm not an applicant but I kind of like biweekly. The anticipation of playing appeals to me more than actually doing it.

>>52269039
Instead of putting your all into one thing, you're compromising the potential of what you could be doing so you can deliver a subpar experience to twice as many people.

Does that really sound okay?

>>52268892
Now for part 2.

Gonna break down potential changes that I'd make, by area.

Personality:
As-is, she seems too nice, too good, too considerate, too... bland. Even a good person has negative personality traits, but I'd be hard pressed to name any Hana has. Given her profession, pride would be the obvious sin for her to commit (but one that's been done to death), although envy and greed also make strong cases.

Perhaps she subtly sabotages her teammates, because she *needs* to be the star, the center of attention. That would give her a decent personality conflict during the campaign.

Maybe she wants more money, more fame, more everything, and that greed drove her to take a bribe from Barney, to put a positive spin on the game's banning. It gives her a bit of a weakness, and makes her initial refusal to join the protests more than just "I'm too nice."

Dunno, there are probably tons of better ideas; but there should be something.

Bring up her depression more. It should feel like this rumbling black cloud, just kinda sitting in the background, reminding her of what happens if she fails.

Backstory:
If the sport is the only thing keeping her from falling into a blackhole of despair, why isn't she the one addicted to Pesh?

Mention how the money she made went back to support her parents, and how she feels like she "owes" them something. That makes the loss of the sport more of an emotional gut punch, and would explain *why* she's willing to take the desperate measures that the campaign will require her to take.

I'd lower the important of Shensen. Having her be the team's sponsor and inspiration? Great. Having her directly train the PC? Not great.

>>52269027
I have a very hard time buying that 2hu could believably play a character with the silly hipster vibe the game is going for. What's more, it's an AP, so there's roughly a 100% chance he has read all 6 books cover to cover. Do HR applicants want to play with someone who has read the entire book, plays only anime traps, and is probably doing the Int-optimization thing?

What's this about touhou having a guaranteed spot in HV?
When did that happen?

>>52268892
Many thanks for the clarification. I think I have a better idea of your criticism now.

> the gamer paraphernalia feels out of place

I kinda understand this, but Hana actually came out of a convo with the DM about him wanting to start the players off in a maid cafe, and I directly got his greenlight on Wizardball and the gamer girl part before even writing the character.

From that and the other stuff I gathered, it seems that HR is more meant to be a silly, hip, and fun game that's making fun of the premise. Hana isn't a character that I'd insert into a more serious premise, but she actually seemed to fit the campaign's tone well, and I actually kinda want to play a gamer girl type of character.

> ...is actively detrimental to the app, because...all of them are part of the archetype.

I understand your complaint now, but I don't know if just removing the gamer girl part will actually make Hana a better character. Sure, an attention-seeking gymnast or ice skater would be more novel of an idea, but in terms of actual roleplaying, they would be the same character - just one that occasionally rolls Profession (Gymnastics) rather than Profession (Wizardball).

It's something I'll look into - though I did make the "gamer girl" attributes unique to her in the writeup. For example, she's so into wizardball not just because she's good at it, but because she failed at the two other things she tried and just wants something that makes her special so that she can please her parents. Her desire for attention was born from the same; it's not just a trope, but something that's reasonable for her to possess as a character. For me, I think it's the difference between, say, a generic tsundere and Aisaka Taiga - one uses it just as a trope, while the other tries to justify it.

I'll see if I can write the backstory in a way to make this more clear though.

>>52269105
Hell's Rebels, not HV

apparently its been a thing since forever

>>52269105
What? Hell's rebels not HV

>>52268787
Whoever did the RotJR apps seemed good.

>>52269116
>>52269115
That's what I meant.
Whoops.

But yes, when and how, and is there proof?

>>52269093
Those are really good ideas. I'll need to give this quite a bit of thought - though it will have to fit with her desire to appease her parents by being successful. Off-hand, a lot of those ideas fit really well, and I think I can bring up her depression and her need to be the best to live up to her parents' "indigo child" expectation.

The reason why she isn't addicted to Pesh is mostly for RP reasons. I didn't want to RP a drug addict, so that got left out of the character's table.

Many thanks. This is the sort of criticism that I'm really looking for in your reviews, and I now have a lot to think about. I think I can still rewrite Hana in the few days before the choices are made.

>>52269128
In this very thread. Look for the "LiterallyCan'tEvenGM" posts.

>>52269063
Hey, if the GM already has a module and prep ready to go, why NOT run it for two groups?

>>52269156
If the GM has enough free time to run two games a week like RotJR, sure.
If the GM /could/ have time to run every week but guts that chance instead, then they don't know how to prioritize.

>>52269113
>>52269135
>It's something I'll look into - though I did make the "gamer girl" attributes unique to her in the write up

I can see that now that you've explained it, but here's the thing. Showing them as part of her past isn't enough; because none of those issues just go away.

They're still lurking around, shaping and molding her personality. So... if you're going to re-write, I wouldn't solely focus on making the root causes more apparent, I'd also show the effects. This isn't a healthy mindset for a teenager to have, especially not one in a such a stress filled environment. Something's gotta give, and I think the audience wants to be there when it does.

>>52266023
Does rapid shot count as an iterative for manyshot's combat trick?

>>52269135
>I didn't want to RP a drug addict
God love you for that, absolutely nobody RPs drug addicts well

>>52269188
2hu was apparently instrumental in designing the game.

>>52269199
Why aren't we dropping it then?

>>52269188
>>52269199
for fucks sake

>>52269182
Got it. This has been very insightful. Thank you very much.

I apologize for taking up so much of your review time on my character.

>>52269220
I'm just saying, he likes maids, especially if they have a penis. He apparently had a great deal of input on the game. The maid cafe is almost certainly his idea. It'd also be a good bet that his character is a trap that works in this cafe.

>>52269237
oh god you're not even wrong

>>52269237
>It'd also be a good bet that his character is a trap that works in this cafe

of course nobody has seen this character that is apparently automatically getting in the game

>>52266731
Yeah, but I feel like having a crack at it myself. He and I see to be thinking along different lines anyway.

>>52266798
>Enchantment spending system
I wasn't aware that was one of the Armorist's issues. What would you suggest in its place?

>Just shiny new toys
I was of the impression that a lack of actual toys WAS the Armorist's problem.

So are these the same poster, or two different ones?

>>52269246
>>52269256
Yeah okay out comes the whiskey, I swear to god you better be wrong

>>52269328
thats not 2hu

>>52269305
Are we officially boycotting/blacklisting the game now?

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>>52269354
>Officially
>4chan

>>52269359
How about a semi-official listing of /pfg/ games?

How many hell's rebels characters are Idols?

>>52269466
Does a secret stripper count?

>tfw still no high-Con paladin girl in PLD
WHAT IS TAKING YOU SO LONG

>>52269513
Probably?

>>52269515
Well, thanks for putting out mod-bait again. You ass.