Horus Heresy General - /hhg/

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First for old classic

Why can't I play orks in 30k? They existed back then.

>>52164940
Next book

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Opening this thread the right way

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>>52164956

>>52164940

Can you not use 40k codices in 30k?

>>52164956
Erebus did nothing wrong

Emperor is a non-human creature of warp energy that enslaves anyone who murders those that disagree with him.

What kind of anti-armor would T-Sons field, armor is tough to crack.

Fluff more important than effect

>>52165122
Officially you can't but outside of tourneys nobody will enforce this.

I've regularly seen Eldar, Orks, Dark Eldar, and even Necrons in 30k. Some guy even substituted Rangdans with Tyranids.

>>52165038

This nigga got some fuckin haji runes on his collar

>>52165133
Aircraft and speeders.
They're also mechanised infantry, so upgunned and upgraded transports would work if you don't wanna go that route.

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SWORN TO AVENGE
CONDEMN TO HELL
TEMPT NOT THE BLADE
ALL FEAR THE SENTIIIINEL

>>52165133
Their anti-armor weapons/vehicles were basically the same as everyone else, just not in large numbers.

FW recently added 3 Orders alongside the standard TS Cults/Fellowships as an excuse to give them regular military formations.

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Today's offering is a spinning Marine of the IXth. Only 15 more legions to go and the diorama/kill team will be ready!

>>52165379
Spinning Diorama anon is best Diorama anon.
Keep up the good work

>>52165379
>checker patter on shoulder

Propa flash.

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>>52165379
And for those that don't enjoy spinning Marines, here's a still shot. Still need to base and weather him a bit, but so far I'm pleased. All the red was done with a simple yet effective three colour blending, all the iconography is freehand.

>>52165132
>that enslaves anyone who murders those that disagree with him.
So, what I'm getting from this is that the Emperor was both Allah and Dubya.

Current plans for my 2500 IH list I'm working on. Just have the marines right now, have to buy 30k vehicles.

Head of the Gorgon

Autek Mor, cyber-familiar
4x cataphractii terminator command squad. 4 power fists, standard bearer with a thunder hammer
Land raider phobos with AC and EA

5 man vet squad with combi plasmas, marksman, sgt has AA

2 thudd guns with shatter shells

Contemptor cortus with assault cannon

2 10 man tac squads in multimelta rhinos, sgts have AA and combi plasmas

5 man tac support squad with plasmaguns and a multimelta rhino, sgt with AA

Deredeo with missile launcher

2x vindicator laser destroyer squad

Sicaran with lascannon sponsons

Aegis with comm relay

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>>52165379
Spinning marines a best.

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>>52165373
>Even in the Imperial Lie, sometimes you find truth. There is indeed a season for all things. And now that I see myself mind-to-mind and soul-to-soul, I know I cannot raise my hand against you. But know this: you are my greatest disappointment.
>Does your master hear me? Father!? You can kill me, but you will never have my Legion! My strength is not in steel and fire! That is what the loyalists will never understand. A season for all things: a time to live, and a time to die. A time to build, and a time ... TO DESTROY!
>Come now, M'Shen. There is one final thing to discuss.
>The assassin has overcome my final defense, and now she's come to murder me. In the end what separates a warrior from a slave? Weapon Skill? Power? No, a warrior chooses...a slave obeys.
>You think you have memories. The Palace. An Imperial Order. A Thunderhawk. A crash. And then this place. Was there really an order? Did that Thunderhawk crash, or, was it hijacked? Forced down, forced down by something less than a warrior, something bred to sleepwalk through life until they're activated by a simple phrase, spoken by their kindly master. Was a warrior sent to kill? Or a slave? A warrior chooses, a slave obeys.
>Come in
>Stop, would you kindly?
>"Would you kindly", powerful phrase. Familiar phrase?
>Sit, would you kindly? Stand!...would you kindly? Run! Stop! Turn. A warrior chooses, a slave obeys.
>KILL!
>A warrior chooses!
>A shlave obeysh!
>OBEEEEEEY!

>>52165230
>>52165376
Thanks anons

>>52165468
3 power fists and a thunder hammer rather

>>52165468
Around 2500 you starts to see LoWs, primarchs, leviathan talons and/or a unit spam. Do you think your list could compete with any of those?

Last 2500 point game I came up against a typhon, pert, 6 quad launchers and 3 Medusa's.

I'm not judging your list poorly, just want to know if you think you can go toe to toe with these types of list.

>>52166090
then you play with waacfag spergs who dont know how to have a good time without crushing their opponent
i feel sorry for you senpai

>>52166090
Hell if I know. I've never played against a LoW. This is just kind of an idea of what models to build towards to get a bigger list eventually.

That sounds like a pretty shitty 30k list though. Save that shit for tryhard 40k tournaments, 30k should be about building a list that makes sense, looks good, and have a good time with it.

The vindicators can hurt big shit at least, if I can keep them alive. Have to hope we play with actual terrain.

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>>52166090
christ. and I thought my meta was shit
and I'm the RG bro that has to bring mech/cybernetica for anti-armor

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Does anyone know how to get into contact with the people selling these? Pretty desperate to get into 30k Epic.

>>52165513
>I see what you did there.

>>52166119
WAACfags make the meta. There's a casual group I play with but winning in that group feels like nothing compared to beating cheesefags.

>>52166090
>typhon, pert

Did he use a different FOC than the AoD to get both a super-heavy and a primarch?

>>52166272
yes

>>52166244
seeing things like these almost make me wonder what the reaction from FW would be if one of the guys casting them found a way to anonmyously send FW a giant box with copies of all the masters/master molds to produce them.

never gonna happen, but it's one of those things where it's hard to say if they would just bin them, or jump on the chance to make a great product line.

>>52166250
>i will never know this feel

I made my list to be fluffy and contain all the shit I wanted to play, it came out at 3K and is basically hopeless. At least I have fun.

>>52166316
Levitihan? or what?

My metta will have primarchs at 2500 once the release evryone's and we're going to do a big group order there's 8 of us that play 30k.

>>52166330
I feel like they'd use them if it weren't for their change from 6mm to 8mm. With the upcoming Titanicus, I have a difficult time seeing them not rebooting Epic.

Anyway, at 2500 I could take Ferrus Manus and just use Orth in the sicaran as my HQ. Definitely something I've thought about. I'd have to drop the land raider though. Straight up replacing Autek and his command squad and land raider wth Ferrus and Orth would save me 55 points. Not sure what I'd do with them.

>>52166375
>>52166316
>>52166090
If it was a leviathan FoC and the typhon was painted as/using the Iron Warriors rules, then he had an illegal list.

Even for the optional Org charts the allied detachment can NEVER be the same 'faction' as the primary.

>>52166375
>>52166426
Leviathan FoC
Death Guard allies

>>52166410
Well, for 40 though I could change my Cortus to a regular Contemptor. I do like overcharge for I5 though. The other 15 could give it a havoc launcher or a graviton gun maybe? I dunno, it's an option. I think that autek's squad and a land raider probably gets more done than Ferrus on foot by himself though.

>>52166426
>Typhon was traitor Iron hands

mot really but i think you can take more then one low in a leviathan list.

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>>52166480
he is a cheesy faggot and you should slap his shit.

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>>52166480
>Death Guard allies
So, Pert and TWO Typhons?

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>>52166490

>>52166494
I smacked his shit so I'm not salty about it. Shit list like his are easy to work around but you have to tailor your own list to face that stuff.

>>52166410
Was looking at an old version of my list; I'd actually have 75 points left because this was before I added a third power fist and a thunder hammer to it.

I could do something with 75 points, I'm not using any fast attack. Could get me an attack jetbike, or some tarantulas or a land speeder or something. My elites and heavy support are full.

is there a particularly good way to use support squads with graviton guns or is it something i should leave to other guys, namely dreads/myrmidon secutors?

>>52164808
Daily Word Bearers Post #6

L O R G A R D I D N O T H I N G W R O N G

>>52166244
Anyone?

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Do I dare to dream that this might be a feasable list? I just want mono-sisters talons of the emperor to be workable.

HQ-

Jenetia Krole (150) (tactic- Crusader)

Excruciatus cadre x5 - Adrathic Destructor, Silent Judge with needle pistol (120) (Tactic- Infiltrate)
Dedicated Transport- Kharon Aquisitor, Multi-Melta (125)

Excruciatus cadre x5 - Adrathic Destructor, Silent Judge with needle pistol (120) (Tactic- Infiltrate)
Dedicated Transport- Kharon Aquisitor, Multi-Melta (125)


Troops-

Prosecutor Cadre x10, Bolters, nucio-vox, breaching charge (135) (Tactic- Stealth)

Prosecutor Cadre x10, bolt pistols, nucio-vox, breaching charge (135) (Tactic- Infiltrate)
Dedicated Transport- Kharon Aquisitor, Multi-Melta (125)

Prosecutor Cadre x10, bolt pistols, nucio-vox, breaching charge (135) (Tactic- Infiltrate)
Dedicated Transport- Kharon Aquisitor, Multi-Melta (125)

Elites-
Oblivion knights x10, Raptor Guard (170) (tactic- Crusader)
Dedicated Transport- Kharon Aquisitor, Multi-Melta (125)

Oblivion knights x10 (150) (tactic- Crusader)
Dedicated Transport- Kharon Aquisitor, Multi-Melta (125)

Oblivion knights x10 (150) (tactic- Crusader)
Dedicated Transport- Kharon Aquisitor, Multi-Melta (125)
Heavy Support-

Seeker Cadre x10, Grenade Launchers, breaching charge (195) (Tactic- Stealth)
Dedicated Transport- Kharon Aquisitor, Heavy Cannon (125)

Seeker Cadre x10, Flamers, breaching charge (145) (Tactic- Stealth)
Dedicated Transport- Kharon Aquisitor, Heavy Cannon (125)

Seeker Cadre x10, Flamers, breaching charge (145) (Tactic- Stealth)
Dedicated Transport- Kharon Aquisitor, Heavy Cannon (125)

(3000)

Idea is that all of the squads with nucio-vox infiltrate in, except the one bolter squad getting a backfield objective of some kind, scout from Krole where applicable, and season to taste. Re-roll on sieze does give me a slightly higher chance of going first, but I'm not banking on it. Voxes for deepstriking rest of army.

>>52166747
cont-
2 adrathic destructors on the HQ squads as the only thing that could deal with a 14-on-all-facings, armored ceramite'd box, its the best mono sisters have. Rest of the aquisitors (all 10 of them) can fish for 6's on missiles and multi-meltas, and all of them have twin-linked weaps to harass flyers. Thoughts?

>>52166480
How?

In the Leviathan FOC the compulsory LoW slot must be filled by an Engine of Destruction or Great Beast type unit, not a Primarch, and it is your Warlord. A primarch must be your Warlord, so he cannot be taken as a non-compulsory LoW for the detachment or the Allied HQ, because the compulsory LoW is the Warlord.

Or am I just missing something?

>>52166747
looks aight
might overwhelm some lists but it doesnt really seem to me to have any particular punch

>>52166666

used right, they can entirely obviate your need for heavy anti-armor. drop them in a pod, or outflank them with the warlord trait. if using head of the gorgon outflank them in a rhino.

>>52165122

FW has explicitly stated that you may do so, but that it would be wise to allow 40k armies special advantages as needed to allow them go compete against 30k armies.

The specific example cited iirc was doubling the squad max squad size of boyz squads.

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>>52167046
>allow 40k armies special advantages as needed to allow them go compete against 30k armies

>>52164808
>I'm not saying it's [REDACTED SECTION], but it's [REDACTED SECTION]
I said something that got into the OP? This is the happiest day of my life! Time to go thin my paints.

>>52167346
It's Orks, anon. They're in there with DE, Nids, and stock CSM.

>>52167346
>as needed
key words, mate

>>52167346
It should say something about orks and tyranids that they need this.

I want to get to painting my iron hands and getting started with my army but humidity has been in the high 90s.

Maybe I should break down and get brush on primer.

>>52167834
Vallejo surface primer.

>>52164808

>Bought all the paints
>Bought some MKIII marines
>Assembled, cleaned, and primed the models
>Ready to make some Iron Warriors

But I hesitated and realized that I really want to make a White Scars army list, I've just been put off by the fact that I hate painting white.

Anyway, any White Scars players here who could help me with a list? Also what are the thoughts on using 40k bikes instead of Outrider bikes?

>>52168449
>what are the thoughts on using 40k bikes instead of Outrider bikes?
I prefer the 40k bikes, but FW purists might have a fit.

You'll want to swap the mk7 riders out, though.

>>52166244
Ask around on TacComs in a not douchebaggy way and someone might be nice to you. The guys who make this shit are all kinds of paranoid and rightly so. Even if you did manage to get a referral they might not even choose to sell to you.

>>52166408
They already said at the Weekender they're not interested in rebooting epic, they said epic would just be 30k at another scale which would eat into their business.

>>52168449
Problem with Outriders are that the Attack Bikes doesn't fit in... Outlook-wise. I'd just use GW bike unless they make Outrider Attack Bike.

Why does the 1d4 mechanicum list keep talking about using the macroarid explorator as a dt when I haven't seen it as such in the cog boys red book? Is the editor retarded or am I blind and suffer from foetal word bearer syndrome

>>52168980
It's because 1d4 is shit. It's full of outdated tactics, things that worked in older editions, and exploits that only work if you don't understand how the rules actually work.

I've spent the last few weeks going back and forth between Alpha Legion and Thousand Sons, but this morning I made a decision:
WORLD EATERS

>>52169141
You won't regret it. Chainaxes are amazing

>>52169141
When it doubt, go Dark Angels or Blackshields.

>>52169182
The rage has cleared my mind, anon. There is no more doubt.

>> 52168980 #

Tere is no fuking reason to take the macrocarid instead of a triaros,it price the double and it use a HS slot,transport the half,and stik dakka on it is pricey

The only reason to take a macrocarid is put iside 10 pedestal with arc rifle and go to RAPE everything have an AV value,from a spartan to IK 20 Haywire shot are death sentence

>>52169307
What's it like not being loved by anyone?

>>52169307
Really? Lots of better places to put Peltasts, and for Haywire you want Hoplites in an Arvus, but it's got decent support abilities with Explorator Web and can basically mount three Myrmidon Destructors for slightly less than the cost of one, on top of being a Flare-shielded Spartan -1HP. It's certainly worth the spot for carrying an Archmagos and a few gravidons. I like to think of it as the Spartan-scale Land Raider Redeemer.

Also, Irrad Engines are amazing. Rest in peace anything not 2+ armoured.

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Looking to start my 30k wolves/talons army and I threw together pic related. I'm trying to make a 2k list for a tournament in a few months, any pointers on my list? I'm trying to make the army as built for melee as possible, and trying to cover my ass from psychic cheese.

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>>52169547
>babby wolves so shit they need mummy and daddy to hold their hands

>>52169554
lul least my shits not on fire famiry

rules query - can you take drop pods in drop assault vanguard RoW? It says "only units that can deploy via deepstrike" may be taken in the army, and "The army may not include any immobile units".
What about Fulgrim if he choses the Warlord trait that grants a unit deep strike ?

>>52169547
Is the tournament going to be ZM? If not, your list isn't great, I'm afraid. Some transports would go a long way to getting your dudes across the table safely (and remember, transports double how far you can Scout as well). Some ranged anti-tank wouldn't be a bad idea either - I get that you're going for a melee focus but you're probably going to struggle as things are.

>>52169618
Its actually going to be a 40k maelstrom tourney, but since I'm doing 30k for GW's inner circle, I was just going to make it easy.

How did you guys react when the First Heretic and the Vengeful Spirit came out? I mean, 'the Emperor made the Primarchs with help of the Chaos Gods,' 'the Emperor begged the Chaos Gods for power" kind of things.

>>52169696
The only person saying he got help from chaos to make the Primarchs was a daemon and we don't know that he actually begged for their power, he could have just stole some. There could have been anything in that portal anyway, just because Horus went on to battle daemons for years doesn't mean the Emperor did or saw anything remotely similar. The Emperor is a master psyker and Horus isn't so he could have manipulated things in there for his own ends.

>>52169745
I was kind of disappointed about the Emperor got his power from the Chaos Gods. (doesn't matter he cheated or begged or whatever) I preferred his power on his own, born with power or 'humanity's power-combined' or whatever that doesn't involve Chaos Gods.

>>52169822
Just ignore black library. It's for the best.

>>52169822
he didnt get ALL his power, he got extra

>>52169558
Not anymore, Fenris in debris.

>>52169822
He may not have even done that, it isn't really clear if the Portal is to the gods doorstep or to some random place in the warp. For all we know Emperor might have been Solid Snaking his way through the place collecting the warp equivalent of Mario Super Stars for himself and his kids.

>>52169857
not yet it isnt friend Σ:^)

>>52169822
'humanity's power combined' IS the warp, there's really no difference. It's the emotions and souls of millions upon millions of humans. That's why Big E is fairly weak compared to the chaos gods, the throne only feeds him 1000 souls a day whilst chaos gets every soul that dies across most the galaxy and beyond.

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>>52169871
>leveled down by Dark Angels bombardment
>infested by daemons
>human population is cursed by Magnus and purged by Grey Knights
>meanwhile Ultramarines and Eldar kick five legions of chaos out of Macragge

>>52169999
Can you tl;dr the whole primarch return and eldar triumvirate thing in 40k for me?

What legion is loads of fun to play? I play tested a POTL Thousand Sons list and they are super fucking boring. Any suggestions?

>>52170031
>POTL
There's your problem, that's the most boring Rite.

>>52169999
>need a primarch
>barely holding
>Space Wolves faced a Primarch
>competently held ground

Not a great comparison but I fucking despise 40k for its cartoon villain antics and hope it gets AoSquatted

>>52170051
>hope it gets AoSquatted
then have even more 40kids turning to HH?

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Is Pride of the Legion just a bad RoW for Dark Angels given their Legion Rules demanding they have more models than the enemy at the end of the game?

>>52170024
Well after Eldrad narrowly avoided jobbing re-making Ynnead, the shard that was formed flew off and bonded to some nobody girl Eldar slave in Commoragh, stuff happens and suddenly the new Avatar of Ynnead is pretty much boss of the DE except for the ones who were all "This shit is whack" and followed Vect into Commoragh 2: Torture Boogaloo

Then Biel Tan happens, half go "Nah, Ynnead is ghey" and the Craftworld splits into tons of tiny ships.

Bullshit happens where Ynnead spess magic and Cawl Spess techno-magic combine to bring papa Girlyman back (Ynnead magic brought him back and Cawl life-support suit keeps him going. He literally can never leave that new gay suit.)

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>>52170044
Well that's a given, but Psykers are just so god damned boring to play with. However, my entire army was divinationing like a motherfucker. Am I overthinking this?

>>52170078
The only rites that raise DAs above mediocre are their two legion rites desu. Their legion rules are so lacking that if it wasn't for their two rites I'd prefer to just substiture them both with stubborn.

>>52170126
This honestly sounds hilarious.

>>52170075
40kids eat that shit up.

>>52170126
Is Bob one of the first to come back or is he the only one?

>>52170051
Based Australian Heresy Tuber here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qSmmKpf3V4

>>52170150
I'd be tempted to do the same, but I love their wargear. Trying to put together a melee orientated list for them that isn't Ravenwing, but not sure it's going to be possible. Ironwings' Exterminators rule does work with pistols, so Chainsword Squads could work, but it seems like a poor use of the ability.

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>>52170181
>Complains about Guilliman being strong as ever while he lost fight to giant bird and got imprisoned, barely managed to avoid being killed by bloodthirster and would be murdered by Magnus if not for harlequins and SoS.

>>52170245
Bruh, Gathering Storm bleeds of "muh spiritual liegeness".

>>52170181
All of his improvements to the fluff are dogshit and he sure gets worked up a lot about a company that makes toy soldiers.

>>52170299
While in your precious 30k Sanguinius and Magnus drop Phantom titans like pins.

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>>52170245
Perhaps you'd like him to beat them all without breaking a sweat, boxing in space Batman-style and become the Avatar of Marys, the Spiritual Sue?

>>52170322
Sanguinius : so powerful he can drop titans without even have rules yet

anyone? rules query - can you take drop pods in drop assault vanguard RoW? It says "only units that can deploy via deepstrike" may be taken in the army, and "The army may not include any immobile units".
What about Fulgrim if he choses the Warlord trait that grants a unit deep strike ?

>>52170357
You can have dreadclaws but not regular droppods

>>52170333
I like new Guilliman better than totalitarian xenophobic fuck from 30k.

>>52170423
I find the new Bob saying 'it would've been better if Horus won and burnt all Imperium than seeing this mess' confusing. HE was the guy who pretty much made the post-big E Imperium as it is. Is he being schizophrenic?

>>52165132
He's a weapon from DaOT .
A weapon that got out of its box running amok.

>>52170051
The first act of the book was pretty great. I liked how little of a shit the smurfs gave about the whole "giant traitor invasion" thing.

Things go down hill after superman wakes up but it was still okay, 7/10 probably the best of the trilogy

>>52165513
What's this from?
Explain pls.

>>52170518
Its one of the most intense scenes from Bioshock, where a mind-controlled clone destroys post-apocalyptic utopia in underwater 1954 through the powers of freaky genetic manipulation, golf clubs and shotguns. Except references are replaced by Night Haunter references

>>52170450
He built it, than came imperial cult, then it become "the bloodiest cruel regime ever possible".

Would Russ think 40k SW 'mediocre' if and when he comes back like Bob?

>>52170535
Hah it suits him.

Any essential reads to enhance my experience reading Master of Mankind?

I've read Legion to become acquainted with Perpetual shenanigans, and I have read First Heretic and Betrayer because I was an ADB fan coming out of the Night Lords trilogy.

Vengeful Spirit is probably necessary, yeah?

>>52170450
He's like the Big E 2.0. He sees what he has made and is going "Aaaaah fuck...I think I've made a mistake."

But because they treat Girlyman like some kind of progressive god, he shifts the blame entirely onto the people who have kept the Imperium running for 10k years and at no point is he called out on this.

>>52170569
>he shifts the blame entirely onto the people who have kept the Imperium running for 10k years
He blames chaos though.

>>52170450
new Guilliman is actually Alpharius

>>52170545
He'd probably be disgusted by the fact that recently SW started worshipping Wulfen as their final form.

And if you thought Roboutte was upset with what the Imperium has became ...

>>52170576
No, he totally blames the High Lords for allowing things to have become so bad. Despite being on the defensive for 10k years with half their strongest forces having fucked off to hug Daemons after mauling the other half.

You know, despite his fucktard brothers managing to crash a Galaxy spanning Empire in TWENTY FUCKING YEARS.

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>>52170423
None in 30k was a totalitarian, not even the Emperor, whom you'll recall was busy with the Imperial Webway to care about actually ruling, Malcador was Regent of Terra.
Everyone was a xenophobic fuck, everyone still is, and that's the way it should be.
And then Yvraine is at the coronation. I'd rather remain dead.

Well, at least now he has a chance to add "Warning: this book is a fucking ADVICE only" on the preface of Index Astartes.

>>52170665
Wait, I mean Codex Astartes. Damn I gotta go to bed.

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>>52170592
>All of this misery,’ said Guilliman. ‘All of this suffering and pain. It is not the doing of Humanity, but of those who have betrayed us. Too long have the pawns of Chaos dictated our species’ fate. That must end.’

>>52170613
>Everyone was a xenophobic fuck, everyone still is, and that's the way it should be.
Not 40k Guilliman.

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>>52170665

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Just finished my first model in 7 years and I'm pretty proud of it. I'm probably gonna go back later and do some little things to it, but I'm really happy with my Tribune.

>>52165379
Other diorama anon here.

I was literally working on a blood angel with a proto-Lamenters checkered shoulder pad...

>REEEEEEEEEEEEE

But seriously yours looks fucking amazing, I wish I could weather even half as good as you.

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>>52170702
>>52170923
Guilliman is awesome, especially when he barely scrapes by.

>>52171058
Wait, Ultramarines actually meant 'Ultra' marines? I thought their name meant the color ultramarine the powdered gem.

Decided that I'll order up some of my Mechanicum tonight. Probably the first 20 Levies and either some Castellax or an arty tank. Going to get the Thallax, Ursarax and HQs to break into parts and convert from recasters, since going from £32 to$18 with less exorbitant shipping is cool. Not paying sixty quid for a bag of conversion parts
Anyway, anyone have any suggestions for a colour scheme for the Genetors? Was thinking bronze armour for the big monsters and Magi (Duncan's SoS tutorial plus Nikhilakh oxide, I think) what would look suitably mad science along with the creepy green syringes and pale flesh? Need a secondary colour for Secutarii and Magos robes and vehicle armour.

>>52171097
It means "beyond the sea", because they're based at the end of bumfuck nowhere and push out the boundaries of the Imperium even further.

Which was the bigger mistake, Word Bearers or Night Lords?

>>52165379
Nice Word Bearer.

>>52170567
>Vengeful Spirit is probably necessary, yeah?
Not really.
You don't need to read anything else first to follow the plot of MoM. As long as you know the set up (Imperial forces in the Webway hold off daemons that come in the hole Magnus made), you can actually guess the plot of the book with 80% accuracy.
The remaining 20% of that is made up of things the Emperor says to one of His Dudes and random Mechanicum bants guest-starring a crippled Blood Angel.

>>52170592
It's technically their fault if the Imperium has become the exact opposite of what the Emperor wanted, not his. It doesn't mean he will execute half the Administratum for that, though.

>>52171192
God, MoM was such a clusterfuck.

>>52169547
You need to have 2HQ.
Special character can be the compulsory.
You must buy a centurion or a preator.
In you're case the centurion is the best.

Full Ligthing claw is not very effective, specialy when they dont have transport. Buy them one claw and a volkite charger.

Your pack need to be in a minimum of 15 even 20 when you're behind 2000.

Foot list can only work if you have the number and the resilient.

You need some priest of fenris on your packs.
And if you realy want to fuck the other pysker you need more than five sister.

>>52170423

>xenophobic

howdy reddit!

>>52170702

This is why recent 40K sucks and is dying a cancerous death like Fantasy did.

I'm thinking of getting a GW Dominus and 2 x10 Tech-Thralls as a Mechanicus starter. I'm thinking of using them as a cheap ally for now. Would it be viable?

Also, anyone know suitable count-as (preferably GW's) model for Tech-Thrall? Just because I prefer platic models.

>>52171097
No doubt it's a mix of backgrounds, it also obviously entails that they are the superior space marines or the ones that take on a bigger role in the imperium by setting an example and running a mini empire.

Similar to how Magnus (great son) equates to Rameses (son of Ra) and has the household colours of Rameses II (red and white) and Prospero like Pirameses is moved to a new location.

>>52170929
>Tribune with psyber familar and sheild
your first model in years is the most borining one from infeno, and part of the HQ we see

>>52171355
had this argument yesterday, fuck off.

>>52171240
>but the cultist assult box
>add wires, cyber limbs, and hoods
>paint red
bam done

>>52171402
Go on, do tell me how its not op bullshit
pro tip, you cant
do one

>>52171171
The emperor

>>52171097
Everything in the background generally has multiple meanings in their names, usually both a literal meaning and a drawing from historical or cultural context, it's part of the fun of the fluff. 'Bad fluff' usually has at attempt at this that misfires horribly.

For example, Kyme deciding to call his ultimately treacherous lieutenant character Iagon.

Anyone who's ever read Othello - featuring the treacherous lieutenant Iago - immediately knew exactly what plot twist was coming, and had to sit there for a book and a half waiting on it.

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>>52171405
Not that anon, but I actually already tried that, minus step 3. Works quite well, but decided on Militia blobs instead of Adsecularis, so I'm keeping them around as scheme testers for the Genetors.
The first of many experiments, muhahahahah....

>>52171488
Did you try any heavy chainsword conversions for tech thralls? i was wondering how to do it with the CA box

>>52171421
>told to fuck off for bringing up a banal and overdiscussed issue
>tries to argue again

you retarded or illiterate or both?

>>52171528
>post model converted into the most op and borning genric HQ in the game
>gets BTFO
>"y-your the retard anon!"

oooo I am laffin'

>>52171240
you can do >>52171405 but pretty much any human analog kit will work

Myself I'm using old metal kasrkin with the full face masks because the kiavahr guilder levies had great gear but crappy training, which makes thralls a perfect fit.

>>52171528
HE'S BAITING YOU STUPID FUCK

STOP REPLYING

>>52171501
Didn't make any myself, but you could just hand them a mix of chainswords and Ruststalker transonic blades (middle-left dude), or get something more bulky like Power Mauls, because similar stats. If you really want chainswords there was a guy getting Crypt Ghouls and turning their arms into chain-flails and the ends of chainswords. They looked cool.

>>52171556
Not even. just need to remind custode players to not be such masive cunts constantly

>>52171561
How do you have so much spare skitarii shit lying around? Do the boxs really give you so many spares

>>52171543
>>52171528

to interject in this fucking thrilling conversation, I know it's 4chins tradition to keep shitposting at someone you've managed to bait, and vice versa,
but when someone tells you that you suck, and then you tell that person to fuck off, you're not interested in their opinion, that's kind of the end of any interaction that's worthwhile. Continuing in all seriousness just makes you both look like boring fannies.

next up on constructive 4chan etiquette, don't fucking reply to themhow to avoid encouraging smug tripfags don't fucking reply to them from shitting up everything with their ego don't fucking reply to them

>>52171543
I don't play custodes.

>>52171579
Gonna chime in real quick to point out that you're the one being a massive cunt.

>>52171596
the boxes have a ton of spare bits because all of them are multi-unit sprues, with options to make two different units that use different weapons. Get yourself some vanguards to make into peltasts and use the spares to pretty up some GSC neophytes or cultists.

>>52171649
Get the upgrade kit from fw you mean - anyone putting down regular vanguard can fuck off fucking poorfags ruining my hobby ree

>>52171058
That's a good picture. Except that Guilliman wasn't wearing armour during that part of the book, and it's mentioned as an example of how careless and distracted he was. It also made it more impressive (if anyone is impressed by a demigod superhuman killing some peons) that he killed all of them and survived while being unarmed, unarmoured and caught by surprise. Also the dead marines should have red helmets as they blagged their way in under the cover of being the Red-Marked's warriors.

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Before I blow my hobby wad, which list should I run HHG? Feel free to suggest scrapping both.

text uploader DAWT
com / dt4so

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What do you guys think of muh WIP Custodes based on this shitty pic (sorry) ? I'm still wondering how to convert some cool Hetaeron, so I thought the black and purple scheme would be a good way to make them distinguishable.

>>52171488
No offense, but somehow they remind me of the Tusken Raiders.

>>52171670
>"to make into peltasts"

>stop liking what I don't like

I think the peltast heads are a shitty sculpt after having seen them in person, and rad carbines are infinitely better than galvanic casters for the lists I use. Come at me faggot

>>52171630
>To fight cunts, we made cunts of our own
The australian version of pacfic rim is strange

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>>52171210
Do you think running a pure talons list would be better? I'm thinking that trying to split the list between space wolves and sisters/custodes is just making it weaker.

>>52171747
I like it, although the highlights on the black are a bit to stark for my taste

>>52171747
Edging into camp.
That may not be a bad thing.

>>52171747
Whats the fluff for why Hetaerons are SO hard?

>>52171629
>posts custodes pic
>oh but i dont play custodes
The worst

>>52171799
That's fair enough but at least use the torsos

>>52171827
4++ reroll

>>52164808
Good morning, guys. How's it going?

>>52171868
>4++
isnt it a 5++?
thats also not what i asked

>>52171874
The shitposting is good today
good and gay

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>>52171888
>The shitposting is good today
>good and gay
Well maybe some a possible IF theme can cheer you up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=458REFZ2VKM

>>52171690
Not enough D.

>>52171835
it's not the same person dude... this is not the anon you were looking for

>>52171931
>there is more than one other perdon posting on 4chan
naa, dont believe it

Saw this on IG, thought it was pretty cool.

Thoughts? I hear a lot of talk about leather totem-masks being worn by Space Wolves from their HH books. For fans of Fenris, does this headswap work?

>>52170929
I love the black on the shoulder, but i hate the black gems.

>>52171877
the Shield, man. They can wield it, Terminators or regular Guardians cannot. That's the stuff, fuck fluff.

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>>52171981
FFS, I should stop drinking lead paint and smoking PCP while posting, I'd eat up less of the count.

Here's the pic.

>>52172014
Looks Like Most space wolves aka aweful

>>52170423
This is how it starts.

This is how SJWs ruin a hobby.

>>52172014
Pretty atrocious imotbqhfam.

>>52172014
>fantasy dwarf head
I like it. It's a little silly looking, but it has a kind of campy charm.
Make a whole unit of them, and I will play you any day.

Against Custodes is it better to run large numbers against them? Looking at the army list it looks like they'd struggle against multiple large squads, especially if you can weaken them before a charge or keep them at range. Haven't had a chance to test this though

Lads how do I get good at weathering?

Anyone that weathers their models could you please talk me through your process or even post pics?

>>52172153
use pencil on edges?

no I'm being serious.

>>52171998
It's still only a 5++, even rerollable. At least try to know your shit.

>>52171827
They are just straight-up the best of the best of the best. Those are the guys tasked with guarding the Emperor in person, so you can bet your ass they only pick the biggest heroes found among a group where each guy is already a force of nature.

>>52172117
Probably better to just take a bunch of hard counters like S10 AP2 pie plates and plasma squads. Having 20 guy squads just gives them more guys to kill.

>>52172153
By searching for guides online and then following them.

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>>52172014
I like it. Is that a dorf beard?

>>52172117
Guns > Custodes.
>>52172189 may be the most efficient solution, but you are basically list tailoring against an army that isn't actually as powerful as their statlines make you think.

>>52170310
The improvements were off the bat and it's a rant.

>>52170423
You sound like xenophobia is a bad thing.

>>52171221
This. The emperor lived through the aftermath of the war with men of iron. When all of humanity's previous alien allies and compatriots turned on them.

For a human to trust an alien is like a lion trusting a hyena or an orca trusting a shark. Either way they are competing against your for a place in the ecosystem(galaxy) and when push comes to shove, it's them vs you.

>>52171151
Ultramar... ultra = beyond, mar = the sea. Beyond the sea or the sea beyond...As in space. Their name is a crappy GW latinized "space marine".

>>52172428
The best option for the Imperium would be wariness, not outright hostility. CWE and Tau (or at least FSE) would make good allies, as their goals of fuck Chaos (more for FSE than other Tau) would align.

>>52172556
*BLAM*

Seriously though, fuck off heretic.

>>52171747
Damn good anon

>>52171750
Didn't think that when I made them, but I do get where you're coming from now I look at them. Decided to scrap that project, didn't have the expendable look I wanted from my dudes because I gave them loads of Skitarii parts. Decided on Levies instead, I don't even have to vaguely pretend they have a 4+ save when modelling them.

Maybe they can be Decima's acolytes on Istvaan III if I ever get about to doing that diorama with my DG, EC and WE friends. No Sons of Horus, though, and they were very much in that scene with the improvised bomb and Decima going all Grand Theft Auto that we wanted to model. Make a decent Armies on Parade.

>>52172556
What the Imperium needs right now is Legion sized space marine forces rolling around un-fucking the Imperiums inner planets and systems first.
Provide a solid front, instead of a writhing mass of chaos (no pun intended) then pushing towards the eye of terror with making strategic alliances with the Tau, Eldar, or other sentient races that aren't forces of pure war like the Orcs or Necrons. Chaos is the larger threat, for every new cultist there is a net shift of two- one less Imperial citizen, one more enemy.

The legions were missing one important factor to keep them in line, and that was the holy creed.
>inb4 Word bearers had faith
Their faith was shattered by the Emps, it's not likely that will happen with him being trapped on his false throne.

>>52171747
I probably would have gone black skin, gold armour. And very pale skin, black armour, just for contrast reasons for unhelmed guys.

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>>52172014
Here's one of mine, thousand sons have been the fixation post-inferno, but frost weapons shit on their 40k variants and are pretty powerful.

>>52172885
Man I'm sorry to say that everything you have done to that looks bad, the fur tabard thing looks like a fucking merkin, the helmet horns look silly and the cape just looks wrong.

>>52172885
....
it might look okay when it's painted.

>>52171747

A touch THICC but your color contrast between shadows and highlights is superb

>>52172937
good job it's not for you I guess ;^)

Landspeeder:
>antigravity engine
>guns mounted to the hull
>crewed by a pilot and a gunnery
>no closed cabin
>vehicle with armor value

Jetbike:
>antigravity engine
>gun mounted to the hull
>no closed cabin
>crewed by 1, acts as pilot and gunner
>has a toughness value with an armor save

It wouldn't matter so much if the jetbike wasn't so much more durable

>>52172885
Not a huge fan of the fur, and the pistol hand looks a little silly. However, you earn all points back for Skyrim helmet.

If you really wanna go all in on the Norse theme, pick up a few 40k grey hunter squads. Lots of cool bits, little accessories that'll work great for conversions.

>>52172975
>actually taking landspeeders

Big mistake. Only ever take the javelins, they're immune to small arms fire and pack a serious punch against vehicle and MEQ alike.

>>52172975
>no closed cabin
But they're wearing power armour, so they don't need a closed cabin!

>>52164808
What's the most "did nothing wrong" shattered legions combo?

TS, SW, AL?

>>52173032
I'd agree, but the normal ones can take grav guns. That can be pretty handy, especially with certain ROWs that don't allow other grav options.

>>52173032
It's still true for javelins, vehicles with AV that don't get armor saves despite being basically two jetbikes side by side

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So with it now shown in Inferno a MkVII torso on a MkIII body, and MkVII arms on a MkII body, how do you react /hhg/?
Is FW wrong? Are the yiff Iron Priests just smart enough to work them in?
Are the Yiff Priests just so plastered they don't give a fuck anymore and MacGyver suits together?

Personally I dislike it.
>But you have MkVII arms on MkIII marines!
I hate those marines and will probably be re-arming them later on.

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>>52173083

>this desperation

thread getting too cringe, later on anons

>>52171747
WE

>>52164956
Fuck you Erebus

I see there's no Unbound in 30k, but if I made some custom terrain and/or missions to play, is it fine to fudge a few rules for story's sake?

Was thinking about doing a mission with custom Darkmech cloning vats throwing out Levies every turn like Tervigons, and having the World Eater and Death Guard players storm a base while carving through the hordes. I know I probably stand very little chance because World Eaters excel at that, but whatever, throwing hordes at each other and watching carnage is fun. Probably on a long but narrower table, too. Have a few layers of defenses.

>>52173574
That sounds really fun. The rules are a toolset, nothing more. Don't let rules-lawyering autists get you down.

>>52173574
Yeah, sounds kickass, go for it. Bonus points if you actually set up defenses like pillboxes and shit.

It seems forgotten that rule #1 is always have fun

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How does my list look. When I get back home I'm expecting to fight more of Scoria and Iron Warriors havocs again. And probably Magnus now.

>>52172556
Agreed. We're not talking about trust, just non-aggression and occasional cooperation against more pressing enemies. The Eldar are not going to actually conquer planets. The Tau want to, but the Imperium can tell them that no one's going to mess with them if thhey go eastward where the Astronomicon doesn't work anyway.

>>52172712
I'd be happy if Guilliman adjusted the codex to make chapters bigger. This is their chance to fix the 1,000 thing.

>>52173032

Regular land speeders are great, they're really fast and cheap grav guns

I do think land speeders should be the attack bike equivalent of jetbikes though

>>52173574
As long as both players agree on it there's nothing wrong with ignoring or changing any rules.

Hell I even know of some guys who decided to add their own rules during a tournament game no less, and invented some weird system to see if models could slap the rear of the female inquisitor, but would be removed from play if caught too early ... it got quite complicated.

>>52173083

The idea of Mk7 clearly existed for a while before it was ever in mass production

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Best £20 I've ever spent.

>>52173848
Do not reply to tripfags

>>52173889
I wanna see that sucker painted and between the rest of your yiffs.

>>52173574
I like this idea

How's this look for a 3k terror assault?
Night Lords Terror Assault
Paragon Praetor, Combi Melta,Trophies, 3 man command, jump packs, Pfist, 2 power weapons
Chaplain, LC, Plasma pistol jump pack
3 volkite terror squads
2 teleporting termie squads, one with plasma combis, one with Flamer combis
Dreadclaw pod
pod Leviathan with melta lance and drill, phosphex
Typhon tank, lascannons and ceramite
unless I'm wrong, the command squad+chaplain can fit in the dreadclaw, yes?

>>52173032
You say that like Land Speeders are actually bad.

>>52173586
>>52173696
>>52173884
>>52173991


Nice. I was going to get (and do my best at de-eagling, god fucking dammit I just want a Basilisk, not 20 pounds of plastic eagle dust) some fortifications for my Reductor anyway, since I was considering making them a "staging area" tile from probably one of the FW boards and normal forts. Could connect it to the Stormbird landing pad once that's done.
Anyway, should be enough terrain for 8*3 or 8*2, assuming we leave some areas of open ground and roads because dogpiling that many Despoiler squads and Militia in fiddly terrain is not happening in less than four hours a turn. I'll have to convince the store owner to set out more than the pittance he does normally.

>>52173889

Grossly oversized scenic base next, just for the comical tiny Primarch.

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>>52173961
You and me both.

First I need to figure out how to base him. I think my plan of fielding him with his puppers is a bit too far fetched, as the dogs would look stupid on massive 90mm oval bases. Probably have to make a scenic base where they're all mounted on and just use the rules for the regular primarch.

>>52173867
They're alright. I won't pretend like the grav-gun isn't useful, hell it's great for slowing down hordes and hunting vehicles, but the vehicle as a whole underperforms.

AV10 kills your survivability, and Javelins get around this with AV11. Additionally, the range bump on cyclones is great, and for playing a solid backfield there are few better options.


Also, why is anyone complaining about them being vehicles? Because dickbikes aren't? Should bikes be vehicles too?

>>52174039
Mechanicum robutts should be walkers.

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>>52174030
I've seen some images of old Russ on a 40mm scenic base and he fills it out quite well. Probably gonna look into that or a 50-60mm one to house both him and his dogs. Like in pic related.

>>52174037
Primarchs come on a 40mm gamewise, so mount him on that. Make sure to give him something to raise his height, let him stand on a rock or a cliff, or something.

>>52174037
>>52174094
So what's the deal? Why did Leman have a model?

>>52174109
Because this is a saga from long ago when things were different, young cub

>>52174149
That tells me all of jack dick.

>>52170592
I like how all the things Guilliman is upset about and decrying in 40k are things he institutionalized during his earlier life in order to prevent someone from ever gathering similar power and authority to Horus. While he is attempting to gather similar power and authority to Horus.

Further proof that XIII was unworthy of trust and a traitor all along, just as he showed when he seceded during the Heresy. #NotMyWarmaster #[REDACTED SECTION]

>>52174062
But they aren't crewed by something separate from the walker itself. War walker vs wraith lord, sentinel &dreadnought (although I think dreadnoughts should be MCs) vs admech robots.

>>52174159
Exactly, like a true Space Wolf saga

>>52174062
You want to make a third of our entire army even more immune to small arms than they are already and we can still heal them easily enough? And invalidate all the people who brought Missile Launchers to fight them because now AP3 is irrelevant? Also all the Instant Death weapons go away at the risk of exploding, which I'll gladly take with all my ways to repair and buff vehicles. Thanks a bunch.

>>52173889
So Russ hated Magnus because he was a manlet, huh?

>>52174164
Guilliman was ready to secede Ultramar at a moments notice if he thought he could get away with it. While nominally loyal to the imperium, he's loyal to his own creation first, and as such, he is a turncoat of the most nefarious kind. He's nothing like Rogal or Ferrus or Leman or Sanguinius.

>>52174221
And because Magnus could read.

>>52174167
>>52174215
If it ain't biological, it ain't a monstrous creature.

>>52174249
So what should greater daemons and daemon princes be?

>>52174271
Depends on the daemon, ideally you should pick.

>>52174249
Mine are biological, therefore the rules make sense. Fringe benefits of playing Genetors because I'm both too hipster and too poor to pay £82 for one minimum troop choice. This way I get three times as many Castys. Counts-as rule, Awaaay!

>>52174221
I now need a picture of babbyruss next to daemon Magnus with the 5'10" 6' thing now

>>52174249
Whaaaaat ? I thought monsterous creature mean bipedal mechanical construct ! At least that's what gets the monsterous creature rules when it is produced by FW, and they can't be wrong about it right ?

>>52174229
He thought Big E was dead. He trying to save what was left, it wasn't ment in any ill way.

>>52174320
Because when somebody doesn't answer your mail within a week, the only explanation is that he is dead.

>>52174249
For fuck sake man, it's an easy distinction, a Walker is PILOTED, so shit like the Tau MC/GCs should indeed be walkers and even the Wraithknight is partially piloted by a living Eldar. Basically, if the "Driver" is inherent to the construct then it's a creature, if the "Driver" is someone added in to control it, then it's a Walker.

>>52174374
GW and FW seem to think otherwise.

>>52174292
No, because NO Daemons are biological, their physical forms are made of Warpstuff which is distinctly not natural or even technically real. Under your "Only fleshbags can be creatures" rule, Daemons can be, at best, infantry or flying infantry.

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>>52174249
>He doesn't know mechanicum automata are built around and controlled by biologic creatures in different states of physical and mental mutilation up to only a brain and spinal chord.
Pic related.


If we're going by that measure, then all of the mechanicum should count as a sort of vehicle, considering they're often more than half machine.

The thing is, rules don't always portray the fluff accurately, just like how a lot of tau suits are not walkers.

>>52174417
That's just Thallax and Ursurax mate, the actual Automata are genuine robutts with limited artificial intelligence.

>>52174417
At least tau suits up to a certain size are more like terminator armour. But yeah, from the ghost keel upwards they should have been walkers.

Personally would have prefered if the bots from the size of thallax and bigger were also walkers, but that would not have been cheese enough ofcourse.

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My blood angel WIP for my diorama.

I might replace the bolter and scrape the black off the shoulder and redo it because it's fucked up from bad primer and not thinning my blacks.

>>52174456
Meant castellax, not thallax. Stupid roughbutts names ...

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Making some progress on the boxnaut

>>52174456
I don't think too many would complain if their Castellax became AV12 front walkers, just trhow them at anything sub-S6 and watch them wreck face.

>>52174461
The left cabel over the chest looks a bit ... hairy

>>52174452
They use vat grown brains that are just aware enough to accept programming but just dumb enough from becoming self aware.

>>52174495
>abaddon the transfer strudent

>>52174500
He was fighting alongside the VIth.

>>52174005
>the command squad+chaplain can fit in the dreadclaw, yes?
Nope, read the Transport rule in the main rulebook - no jump packs.

I’m skeptical about footslogging vokite squads getting into range in time. Meanwhile you’ve got just one vehicle and while it’s large, most armies will be ready for it and won’t have to make any difficult decisions about what to shoot at. (It’s also hard to see how a Typhon is going to sneak up with the rest of a sneaky army.)

I think you want to take too many goodies for Terror Assault to be a good choice of RoW. If you like humans, consider a Sacrificial Offering list – your tanks and jump pack guys would outflank so they’ll get at least one turn of shooting. But if you like the volkite, consider trying to give everyone pods and taking a flyer instead of the Typhon.

>>52174497
AV 12 on all sides would have been fine. Could have even kept the 5++, we also have Contemptors and nobody is complaining about their invul. save.

But it would mean there's a chance they explode after one shot from an anti-tank weapon, which makes sense from a fluff standpoint, but I know of at least one person that would ragequit mechanicum if they'd 'nerf' the biggest robots that way.

Help a brother out with 'competitive' (read: doesn't get ass fucked all the time) Sons of Horus list 2.5k including Horus.

>>52174544
hrrrm, I thought it was only certain vehicles that can't take bulky
terror.squads infiltrate

>>52174515
No, they are 100% artificial, they have machine spirits, ALL Automata are robots, what the fuck do you think Cyberthurgy is?

The Cybernetica Cortex, the hub of all Automata is an artificial brain, it's 100% of the reason why the rest of the Mechanicum give the Cybernetica a wide birth and watch them like hawks. They are dancing on the edge of Malifica.

>>52174546
Personally I don't think that's a nerf as such, assuming we kept Cybertheurgy and had somewhere to hide our HQ units I'd be down for that. It just makes them more vulnerable to logical targets, and no longer can they be shocked to death by poison grenades, Mortarions scythe, Paragon Blades or Kakophoni, which never made too much sense. Also, Archimandrite and Enginseers. You want them all with IWND and being repaired multiple times a turn guaranteed? Turns it into"Explode them or die" a bit.

>>52174586
No, it's just that only Infantry is allowed to embark on vehicles. Unless the vehicle in question has a special rule that allows a different unit type to embark upon it.

>No, Jump Infantry is not Infantry. No infiltrating, fleet and furious charging Raven Guard assault marines

>>52174495
>will he ever stop

Looks good so far

>>52174456
I disagree.

MC's are supposed to cover all the giant, hulking beasts stomping around the battlefield whereas Walkers are machines piloted by a distinct individual. Dreadnoughts are the closest you can get without going over, but generally it can be summed up as "with walkers one pilots the beast, with MC's one IS the beast"

However, I would like a distinct set of rules for robotic MC's, or just robots like Thallax, castellax, maybe Tau (though they should be walkers), etc.- something like immunity to poison and fleshbane, but haywire, melta, and armorbane function like fleshbane.

Sorta like the cybernetica rules but ones that can actually distinguish them from other forms of purely biological MCs. As is, I'm not sure why people hate mechanicum MC's so much, they're a hell of a lot easier to kill with poison/ID/etc. than a vehicle likely would. Is it Smash?

40k Chaos Space Marine legs/arms on traitor legionaries. is this better or worse than MKVII?

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>>52174645
(You)

>>52174630
I'm pretty sure that for sub-types, you take the rules for the archetype and add the sub-type rules.

So FMCs are still MCs, except they can fly, Jump/Jetpack infantry is still infantry, except they do their gubbins.

>>52174586
My bad on infiltrate. That means they're usually going to be fine. I'd still consider dropping the Dreadclaw and Typhon for a larger number of tanks, but up to you. It'd be interesting to get the Typhon to work.

It's not about bulky, the 40k rulebook says
>Only Infantry models can embark upon Transports (this does not include Jump or Jet Pack Infantry) unless specifically stated otherwise'

>>52174645
So long as it's well-converted and fully painted, CSM doesn't really bother me. But it had best be on some stuff that's actually been corrupted, otherwise it looks silly.

>>52174687
I will add of course that this doesn't apply when specifically mentioned, but in most cases it does.

>>52174611
>cybernetics cortex
>artificial brain

Coulda sworn it was described as a specially designed vat grown brain made of proteins and enzymes.

I thought the Scyllax were considered to be close to ai because despite having not organic components whatsoever they develop awareness over a long enough time.

>>52174687
Then why does the Stormraven specify it can carry Jump Infantry.

>>52174645
Arms are fine imo.

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Also a question, should his banner background be white, green or white with a green vertical stripe? Or even red?

>>52174751

it should be your favorite color

Iron Hands marine with mk3 head arms and backpack, mk5 torso, mk7 legs I GSd tubing on and filed down the knee pads a bit and GSed under the knee pads so it's one continuous plate like mk5 armor

Is this acceptable y/n

Iron hands is known for mixing mk3 with later mks

>>52173797
If knights are the primary, you have to have 2 troops. As for the auxillia, iirc, tank commander cannot fill compulsory hq

>>52174789
Oh I'm also going to put PVA glue studs all over it, and going to file the trim off mk7 shoulder pads.

>>52174789
Should be ok for mk5. I'd love to see a test model of this.

>>52174793
Knights have a snowflake knight detachment.
Tank commanders can be compulsory in allied detachments.

>>52174722
It's rather the opposite, they are wary of Scyllax especially, because they are robots that are eerily capable of learning and adapting, which is too close to the Men of Iron for most.

There wouldn't be nearly as much scorn towards the Cybernetica if Automata were basically fancy servitors, everything is artificial and comes from the DAoT, hell, part of the lore for 40k Kastelans is that they predate the Imperium and sometimes just wonder off and aren't seen for thousands of years before coming back to intervene in a fight.

>>52171747

I'm saving this pic to help guide me on highlighting.

>>52174835
My sculpting skills are pretty terrible, I've never done it before. So the tubing is thicker than it should be. But it doesn't look like mk7 legs and that's the important part.

>>52174872
We all gotta start somewhere anon.

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>>52174751
Green with a white stripe (assuming he's a DG - I haven't been following the thread, but lately it's safe to assume that posted models are DG). White with a green stripe would just be too much white. Red's not bad either for the stripe - pale green with a pale red isn't as bad as it sounds.

>>52174635
>Is it Smash?

That, and the fact that things like sniper and poison are hard to come by in legion armylists, unless you spam veterans or play DG.

And ID is even more rare, only things that have it really are paragon blades, some primarchs, and lords of war that have Str D.
Anti-vehicle weaponry on the other hand comes on different units, meaning there is always something that fits your armylist.

>>52174704
can't really get more tanks on account of terror assault limiting to 1 HS slot
thought about the malcador squadron but don't like the models enough and not very fluffy

>>52174461
Anon, how did you paint your World Eater? It looks amazing and now I need to play them.

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>>52169588
I'd say no on Fulgrim since you don't choose your Warlord trait when you build your army. You choose the Warlord trait during the setup for mission.

Pic answers your drop pod question.

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>>52175200
>White primer.
> ulthuan grey
> retributor Gold
>The blue I use is a p3 paint, but whatever ultramarines use will be the same
> 50/50 medium, and agrax in the armour cracks
> full strength agrax on the gold, and the really deep armour grooves
> then I re highlighted the ulthuan and retributor
>the blood is Tamiya clear red in a pot. As I put it on , I smeared it with a toothipick in dots and slashes. If you can't get clear red in a pot maybe use the red gem paint by gw, or that bloodforthebloodgod paint.
>steel is just AP plate mail then agrax.

>>52175149
I was thinking of a Vindicator squadron. The Typhon doesn't take up a heavy support squad, right?

>>52175672
nope, but the Leviathan is sitting in that precious slot
I'll consider it, I think they would end up costing about the same but I really.like the Leviathan as a turn one big threat

Any sons of horus pro? Need help with a 'competitive' (read: doesn't get ass fucked all the time) Sons of Horus list, 2.5k including Horus.

>>52175776
Post it

>>52173888
do not reply to tripfags

>>52175886
Reported for spamming contentless posts.

>>52174687
The Transport rule specifically excludes Jump Infantry, unless the unit entry specifically re-includes them.

>>52173848
Bigger chapters- by what factor?
Up to 10,000 or roughly what the Wolves are in 40k, or just by a small fraction so the 1,000 figure is more of a soft cap than the hard limit the Codex makes it to be?

>>52173888
Prototype armor, yeah that makes sense. Thanks

>>52174645
Arms are MkII, Legs are MkVI, some Torsos are MkV, you should be good mate

>>52174751
White linen, but dirty, if you can swing it. Make it look old and tattered, like the rest of the legion.

>>52174789
MkV torsos can interface with any other armor mark, so as long as that part stays, you should be good. I agree with >>52174835 We need a test model

>>52176046
>Reported for spamming contentless posts.
Considering I doubt you're actually being protective of some dude on 4chan, can we not start shitflinging over a trip, esp not one of the worst I've seen in a while.
You, him, others, just ignore posts you don't like or have an interest it, how the fuck is that so difficult.

Oh wait, nevermind, the trip immediately posted after an anon went muh lady for him, it's the trip trying to stir up shit while being anon.
Fuck man, I'm *still* always surprised by how fucking lame some people are.

Oh well as you were, I guess.

>>52176261
see >>52176223

>>52176325
Both posts are mine, my friend. But thank you.

>>52176366
I just got back from the gym

>>52176223
I ignore things fine.
Others don't.
Hence, don't reply to tripfags.

Don't reply to tripfags.

>>52176416
Yeh, carry on, now I've seen the sadness in action you're clearly doing the right thing.

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>>52176416
Weird how such a simple rule can get so fucked up.

Ah well, we've had tripfags before. If this thread is shit up so that future ones don't have egotists trying to make a name for themselves by literally doing 'reply all' on an ANONYMOUS Albanian goat-herding board, I'm fine with it

>>52174039

Bikes were vehicles in 2nd edition, space marine bikes were 10/10/10 and you had a chance to hit the rider instead.

javelins are pretty sweet don't get me wrong but the AV11 is just the cherry on top. Javelins have such a long range on their guns that small arms protection hardly matters.

Regular land speeders on the other hand will take about 1 hull point per 10 bolter shots which isn't a huge deal in a squadron of 5, especially if they have heavy Flamers to back up their graviton guns against tacticals.

I will begin forging the newest of threads.
Now stop your shitposting, I don't want to see it in muh new bread.

>>52176400
bet you like to imagine a large cock sticking out of the ground by the place you squat over.

So is the issue with having a name, or the gibberish after it?

>>52176490
Do not reply to....

ah, forget it, you're all hopeless.

Though what's the deal with yiff's and tripfaggotry? Is it that asshole egomaniacs are drawn to the asshole egomaniac chapter, or do they just get indoctrinated into the retard cult

>>52176490
see >>52176480
I don't imagine anything when I squat, honestly it's the hardest lift mentally for me.
Deads, Bench, Clean, Snatch and OHP are much easier to psych myself for

>>52176525
I never thought this video would be used for educational purpose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>>52176490
Do not reply to tripfags

>>52176568
it's not really a retractable movement, it happens or it won't and you're fucked. Also you are a lot stronger at the start of it, so it's where peopel tend to be overconfident and fail.