EDH/Commander General

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First for Misstep

>>52160659
I want to build bosh but buying the artifacts needed is a pain in the ass

First for what's a fun deck to build that will cost me less than $80 and will give me maximum fun without getting curbstomped

>>52160726
Gosta Dirk
Land Equilibrium
97 plains
1 island

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Why is she the best at 4-way games?

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>>52160659
Daretti. Breya would be conveting for my most favorite artifact commander if i had the time to play.

>>52160825
*competing
>>52160824
Cause she's a redhead

>>52160824
>Play boros
>Get boardwhiped

>>52160780
you missed the word "fun"

>>52160865
>Plays Borors
>Doesn't have anti-board wipe spells
Get gud.

>>52160726
>less than $80
5c charms
All basics
Cultivate effects fix colors
Win condition is big fuck off creatures and ways to make many many copies like rite of rep and progen mimic

The base build is about 70 bucks, upgrade it over time and it gets nasty

Does this Jarad list look alright to you guys?

Reason the mana base looks retarded is because i'm too poor for fetches and Bayou. I'm making this out of a Meren deck I already had so I'm trying to keep costs minimal with this upgrade for now.

https://deckstats.net/deck-12627606-0f8e0aa103d0a4288d116749f682a1a5.html

Its currently really tight so i'm having trouble finding spots for things I'd like in there like Yawgmoth's Will and Victimize.

>>52160726
Zada or purphoros.
>>52160865
>play boros
>nuking the field
Ftfy

>>52152159
>Wanted to try a more control-heavy deck than my Melek Spellslinger list
>Threw together a list loosely based off of this, but with more artifact ramp
>Leyline of Anticipation, Ancient Tomb and a pile of rocks in opener
>Win turn 5 after casting Niv Mizzle eot and untapping with Curiosity
>With Merchant Scroll backup to find Pact
>Opponents (Atraxa superfriends and Scion) gets absolutely livid
>Mfw they let me sit there and ramp for 4 turns and then were surprised when they lost.

>>52156270 (You)
Also answer my question famalam.

>>52160946
You don't need fetches really, they are a luxury. If you must have them, wait for enemy battle lands to come out. You have other means of acquiring the lands you need

>>52161084
To follow up, I can't read that list. I'll have to make a copy on tapped out when I get home

Just built this new Kami of the Crescent Moon build guys. Tell me what you think. Will more or less be playing group hug with card draw with some protection to stop people from attacking me.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kami-of-the-card-draw-1/

>>52160867
Even though it's competitive deck idea, it can still be fun. Don't be a Timmy, UW can be fun and competitive simultaneously.

>>52161084
>Fetches are a luxury
Fetches are a "luxury" if you don't have shocks or duals. If you have shocks and/or duals and aren't running fetches, you're a fucking idiot.

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>>52160669
TY (^. ^)

REAL TIME POSTEM.

>>52160903
How many do you run?

>>52161382
UGH ARE YOU NOT AWARE THAT BRAIDS, CABLE MILLION IS BANNED IN EDH COMMANDER YOU SHITLORD????????

>>52160946
Cards I'd cut first: Baleful Force, Ohran Viper, Phyrexian Delver, Frontier Siege, Graveborn Muse
Now run things like: Living Death, Savaging Ooze, Yawgwill and Victimize, and maybe something like Ill Gotten Gains.
You could also try out some creature-based reanimation too like Apprentice/Doomed Necromancer and Coffin Queen.

>>52161445
I run a land and 98 ways to protect it

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I got to live the UR artifacts dream.

>get paired up for 2HG
>playing Slobad
>partner is playing Arcum
>our faces when we realize the insane bullshit we're about to pull off

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>>52161446
>Implying I don't include her just for the free (you)s she generates

How do I build this guy voltron?

>>52161258
That goes without saying. If you have the money for fetches you will get shocks and abur duals.

If not, then got won't use them not purchase them.

>>52161581
Fetches are great for getting basic lands too.

>>52160903
>implying indestructible works against sac/-X/exile/bounce
>implying "return those that died this turn" works against exile/bounce
>implying flicker works with tokens
you're deck a shit

>>52161637
Sure, but it's a waste to worry about not having fetches for that sort of scenario. Suck it up and TE or EW at that point

>>52161581
>If you have the money for fetches
Depending on your color combination you can get 2 out of your 3 fetches for like 40 dollars total

>>52161486
How do you cast your 7 drop commander then?
Genuinely curious.

>>52161557
>Protection from everything
You can't.

>>52161715
>Unless you have a 1 mana Split Second spell that stops every possible form of boardwipe your deck scoops to my hypothetical "kills everything in whatever way you don't have an answer for" boardwipe

>>52161033
>they let me sit there and ramp for 4 turns and then were surprised when they lost
That's what most people do in the early game, who the fuck casually throws early counterspells/removal at mana rocks?

>>52161730
I'd rather run a basic land instead of those.

>>52161755
Then you're dumb and wrong.

>>52161769
Having a land come into play tapped is like wasting a turn.

>>52161557
The only way is anthem effects.

>>52161751
Anyone with a brain?

>gee wizz anon, I know you're accelerating your curve to a stupid extent, which will let you get way more value on each subsequent turn, maybe I should hold onto my counter spell for when you play your overpowered bullshit, rather than nipping the problem in the bud. After all, big things are scary, who counters/removes early mana rocks?

>>52161751
I'm playing 5 pieces of cheap, tutorable artifact removal in the list that I played.
>Vandalblast
>Shattering Spree
>Smash
>Fiery Confluence
>Shattering Pulse
In addition to that I've got Chaos Warp and Cyclonic Rift to clear problematic boardstates.

>>52161743
I depend on each of my opponent playing Magus of the Vineyard

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So I play a bunch of little dudes with something like Bident of Thassa. What do I spend the excess mana on?

>>52161165
>>52161084

Here are the lands. Only 31 in this deck as we run about dozen or so mana dorks/rocks.

1 Bojuka Bog
1 Cabal Coffers
1 City of Brass
1 Command Tower
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Evolving Wilds
5 Forest
1 Jungle Hollow
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Mana Confluence
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Shizo, Death's Storehouse
1 Strip Mine
5 Swamp
1 Tainted Wood
1 Temple of Malady
1 Temple of the False God
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Woodland Cemetery

>>52161802
>>52161557
You play Rafiq and swing

>>52161738
Or I could get battle duals and tapped fetches for allied and shared decks, or the any color lands like city, confluence etc for cheaper

>>52161749
Yeah, it's not as if anyone runs Cyclonic Rift, Toxic Deluge, Merciless Eviction etc.

I've tried running anti-board wipe spells and they disappoint more often than they help.

>>52161794
It's a slight loss in tempo in a format known for long games. The better color selection is worth losing a turn.

>>52161853
Nothing because all you've done is build shitty Edric/Ezuri

>>52161899
>Eerie interlude and friends

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>>52161877
>31 lands

Finally got all the pieces for Tazri Food Chain. Ready to club some baby seals.

>>52161886
Or you could pay very slightly more for cards that aren't total garbage-ass shit

>>52161957
See: tokens

>>52161899
Yes, those effects exist.

Saying that unless you run 10 cards that all answer Deluge, Rift, Eviction, Wrath, EVERY POSSIBLE BOARDWIPE your deck folds to it, is fucking stupid.

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Have you guys seen this channel? It's a little autistic but it's not bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ktctk0XidQ

>>52161258
Shocks are way cheaper than Fetches, enough to end up even in budget mana bases these days.

If you've got duals, though, you are running your goddamn fetches.

>>52162003

Your channel is very nice anon.

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>>52162003
Cease thy shilling.

>>52161853
Extra turn spells? Maybe hurricane. Or big splashy bombs

>>52161985
>see
See not running shit archetypes.

Ydris hypergenesis. Give me cute threats to cheat out

>>52160946
>>52161462
You run too few fatties and too much control for Jarad imo. Perhaps you aren't focusing on Jarad himself much though. I'd at least include Bane of Progress since the dude gets big, wrecks your opponents and being able to toss him for mucho pain circumvents the lack of trample.
Also seconding Living Death, which is absolutely crazy in Jarad.
>throw my 20/20 whatever for massive damage to everyone
>living death
>everything dies, I have a 20/20 back, your turn

>>52162050
You sure got me there

>>52162062
Craw wurm and friends

>>52162012
>Windswept Heath: 12 dollars
>Temple Garden: 8 dollars
If you're using Khans fetches, they're in basically the same ballpark as RTR shocks price-wise.

>>52161962
Heh, I've been testing 20 land for monoblue paradox engine, but that deck is pretty much mana rocks with sides of (artifact) tutoring and card draw. I'm not sure I'm satisfied with the stability of the deck no matter how good it is for the stability of the combo, but 31 sounds positively reasonable after messing around with that shit for a while.

>>52161976
Oh please, compare the price for dimir shock and fetch, and the tapped fetch and battle dual and then tell me that

>>52162075

Bane of Progress is in there anon and yeah Jarad is mainly used as a combo piece the deck is meant to function without him for most of the game.

>>52162094
Fair, if you keep to relevant shocks + Relevant Khans fetches you're not in a terrible place. Going enemy fetches or All Possible Fetches, though? Bad news for budget.

>>52162084
Neck yourself pal o mine

>>52162145
The tapped fetch and battle dual are cheap because they're terrible fucking cards.

If SEVENTEEN FUCKING DOLLARS for a Polluted Delta is bank-breaking for you, go play Pauper. Don't squirt Hunt's Ketchup on Great Value Angel Hair and call it "just as good" as Italian cuisine.

>>52161962
I've seen a Seton deck that runs 28

>>52162062
Zephyr Spirit

>>52162164
Oh, absolutely, once you touch ZEN fetches (until maybe MM3 helps? Hopefully) the prices jump way up, but even if you're just doing RTR shocks and Khans fetches (even if you're having to do Windswept Heath and Bloodstained Mire instead of Arid Mesa in a R/W deck, for example) are still well worth the investment, and miles better than "just run basics lmao"

>>52162206
The is functionally no difference to either of them aside"tempo loss" though. So how are they terrible for fixing?

>>52162075
>Living Death

What this guy said.

Also add It That Betrays as one of your fatties it has a crazy synergy with LD

>ITB on the field
>cast LD
>board is wiped
>ITB effect is triggered
>all creatures your opponents controlled are now under your control
>creatures are now returned from graveyard

>>52162279
Because there's better options for color fixing once you account for the tempo loss. Shocks/Fetches/Duals are king because they give you access to a TON of fixing with zero tempo loss at very little "cost" life-wise (compared to say, Painlands, which are still good, but not AS good).

Slow-fetches and Battle-Lands are so far down the list of 'good fixing' for EDH that if I saw someone slow-fetch into a Battle-Land I'd start pulling my punches immediately because I'd assume I'm about to see a nearly Standard-legal EDH deck.

What's a good commander for discard shenanigans in U/B(/x?) colors besides Lazav?

>>52162279
>There's functionally no difference to either of them except for the reason that one is 15 dollars and one is a 5 cent common nobody plays

>>52162141
>Heh

>>52161382
Can you share your Selvala list plox?

>>52162227
Alright, I see where you're coming from.

Not related to the topic of fetches other than through lands with basic types, but I feel like the Buddy lands are underrated, at least for 2-3 color decks at budget. You'll usually have a basic or shock that turns it on in your opener, or a fetch you can get one of the others. If you somehow have none of those, I don't think spending t1 on it is too huge a cost most of the time.

>>52162436
Honestly, outside of the Duals and the Shocks (and maybe the things like Mistveil Plains or Murmuring Bosk), I don't touch the lands with subtypes because they're just so shit. Even with them being fetchable, there's so many better options available, even on a budget.

>>52162279
Look, Anon, if you're scraping the bottom of the barrel and coming up with slow fetches and battle duals, maybe you should just be honest with yourself and run a few penny-caliber CIPT lands. The refuges and khans set will even gain you a life and everything. There's no shame in taking $50 EDH out for a spin, especially if you just want to get a feel for the commander before you push it into its 75% or tuned state, but don't try to claim that makes your choices objectively good.

>>52162469
Well yeah duals and shocks are great.

>>52162546
Right, which is obvious.

What I'm saying is that if we're ranking fixing, and Shock/Dual/Fetch trinity is at 1, slow-fetches and buddy-lands and Battle-lands are not 2, or 3, or 4.

They're like 50.

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I'm about to start playing edh with my friends. They have been playing awhile I have some understanding of the game. Which deck has the best synergy out of the box/fun to play

I'm looking at these three

invent superiority (breya)
plunder the graves (meren)
entropic uprising (ydriss)

leaning toward breya

>>52162599
>What I'm saying is that if we're ranking fixing, and Shock/Dual/Fetch trinity is at 1, slow-fetches and buddy-lands and Battle-lands are not 2, or 3, or 4.

Buddy lands or signet lands for 2, do you think?

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>want to play spicy unique cards
>they're expensive even though they aren't even that good

fuck my laifu

maybe i should bite the bullet and order one for my pillowfort meme deck anyway

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>>52162279
If the group you play with plays with fetches and socks and you don't you're behind. It's not even worth it to run guild gates and etb tapped lands. Run painlands and basics. But if you can afford them, shocks and duals are just primo.

>>52162417
That one is netdecked. Here's the primer/fully optimized list. There's many different ways to make it budget. The bulk is quite cheap.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/selvala-brostorm/

>>52162624
Meren is pretty great out of the box. There's a backbone there you can keep through 75% at least. Breya ain't bad either and I think she may be the better value. Yidris needs/deserves a lot of work out of his precon state.

>>52162630
Dread just seems better

>>52162628
Neither. Both are so far down the list I'd only run them if my budget made fucking painlands impossible.

>>52162630
>Checks price of No Mercy because I'd been meaning to get one
>It is still like 10 bucks

whew.

Go for it, anon. In the pantheon of overpriced cardboard, that doesn't even rate, and it's pretty hilarious.

>>52161985
See: moving the goalpost.

>>52162665
eh, 2 extra mana cost while tied to a creature (ie. more frail than a 4 mana enchantment). it'd be good if i was running reanimation, but i'm not

anything that costs more than 4 mana tends to get removed within a turn in my meta

>>52162680
yeah i guess. it doesn't seem like something that would get reprinted, ever, so i think it might just go up in price... forever. i'm guessing the only format it's playable in is EDH and it's only expensive because it was printed once a million years ago

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>>52162674
Anon, are we talking about the same lands?

Because they're more expensive than pains, at the very least

>>52162735
I'd run Glacial Fortress and the like in just about any 2 color deck, iffy in 3 color.

Filters are similarly okay in 2 color, or a 3 color that's HEAVY on 2 of the 3.

I would run the signet lands in zero decks ever.

>>52162696
See: >>52161715

>>52160659
I'm trying to make my first EDH deck, and I'm wondering what to add to this.

I know I'm definitely including the listed cards in the profile, but I have no idea what else to add.

It seems like it would just end up with me getting ganged up on fairly quickly, as frankie effectively allows me to shut down 1 person per turn if I ask the right questions.

What other cards should I add? i have 60 more to add, 38 of which should be lands.

>>52162853
fuck, I'm retarded. Forgot to link it.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/frankies-first-edh/

so what non-plains lands should I add? what 22 non-land cards do I need?

Everyone's posting their Kami decks, so here's mine
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/that-one-scene-from-scanners/

>>52162338
Spin the wheel with Nekusar. In BUG there's Leovold and Sidisi.

Nebuchadnezzar for style points.

>>52162542
The problem with cipt lands are they aren't reliable in a or 4 color deck and spending 30 bucks per set of 2 adds up too quickly. And I've not had any problems running tapped fetches or battle duals, in fact they improved my decks ability to get the color needed.

>>52162641
I would never be able to afford real shocks or fetches at any rate because it's ludicrous to spend that much just to have minimal advantage. Both the metas I play in run abur duals and fetches, and there is literally no difference I have seen between them

>>52162338
helm of the ghastlord on nekusar, who needs notion thief when you are the ghastlord.

>>52163031
The advantage isn't minimal in 1v1, but if we're talking multiplayer, there's something to be said about running CIPT lands.
If somebody t1 cracks a Scalding Tarn and fetches up a Tropical Island, they'll appear like a much larger threat than the guy who plays a Vivid Creek.

>>52163031
OK anon, here's an exercise for you. Put your deck on tappedout exactly as it is. Hit playtest a few times and see how it feels drawing openers and even making plays out to turn 9 or so.

Now, make a copy and change the lands around to Upgrade level 1: Replace battle lands with shocks. Replace slow fetches with allied color slow fetches. If this doesn't get you all relevant shocks/ally fetches replace basics with the rest. Hit playtest a few times and get a feel for how the deck runs now.

Do the same thing with level 2 (All shocks; All useful fetches, replace anything else that enters tapped or tapped under conditions with something that doesn't, like painlands or whatever) and level 3 (All shocks, fetches, ABUR, etc. Full high roller mana base) if you want to, but I think you'll feel a marked difference just at the level 1 upgrade.

Then look at the deck price of the level 1 upgrade and the original. And ask yourself if the margin of difference is or isn't worth the margin of better feel.

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>>52161851
Wow that's some spicy tech, thanks Mr!

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Here are my complete decks, lots of strange looking ones. All their names are song names. I am making a mono-color deck of each color (concept "joke") right now and I have made one green and one black live. If you all wanna know, the red one will be "Norin the wary", I don't know for white and blue yet

I know the appeal of winning is the common one, considering this is the age of competitiveness, but I'm wondering; are people interested in "strange" mechanics of magic as much as I do or I'm being edgy thinking I'm a special snowflake?

If some of you have interesting ideas for a blue or white mono commander, tell it.

>>52163442
I like the Maralen and Reaper, Narset is ok, Azusa makes a lot of bold claims, ragnar is cancer.

>>52163412
Deal. I'll post my findings after I get the chance to spend time on it. Expect a post tomorrow, hopefully before work at 230 pst

>>52161853
>What do I spend the excess mana on?
Change your simic partner to Mr coiling Oracle for days

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Thinking about building a Daxos deck, any spicy/secret tech or auto-includes?

>>52163968
The trash bin
Jk, good luck

>>52163442
Strange effects are theoretically interesting, but not practically. Play interaction instead.

>>52163488
Ragnar is really funny, cancer indeed, but funny.

And my Asuza deck is really strong thought, not trying to be pretentious or some shit.

>>52164014
what would you qualify interesting interaction then?

>>52164045
Counterspells, removal, some hate, most "an opponent chooses", all voting, many activated abilities (even if they don't directly affect opponents but still let you respond to actions in non-trivial ways). Basically anything that makes the game more into multiplayer and less simultaneous solitaire.

Just don't bring so much that you become the fun police. Get enough to stop the worst shit while still being able to advance your own game plan at a decent pace.

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Hey I'm going out of town on Saturday to see some old friends, coincidentally an old play group. I want to build a new deck with Tana and Ravos before I go out.

Anyone have some ideas/tech/spiciness? I can't decide if I want to run a fungus sub theme or general token shenanigans.

Please help, the pressure is killing me.

>>52164255
Hatred on Tana + at least one of the Soul Sisters in play (more than 1 and you will double/triple/whatever your life)

>>52164247
ok then, considering your definition of it i'm not the WORST player, I have my fair amount of interaction.

If i had to give myself a score, 40-45% would be it, could be WAY worse.

>>52164373
>>52164255
use Essence Warden if soul sisters is out of color.

>>52163968
Flickering ward is the obvious auto-include for building up those exp counters. I also like self-recurring enchantments such as fallen ideal, glistening oil, and spirit loop in conjunction with sac outlets like auratog. There are others like sleeper's guile and brilliant halo but your mileage may vary on the jankier ones.

BW enchantments also gives you the excuse to run evershrike.

>>52163968
Constellation ability is obvious.
>>52164255
Aura voltron is an idea I've tinkered in my head. The saprolings can be used as chump blockers, sacrifice fodder, or to swing at another person. GRWB should be more than enough for enchantment support.

>>52161518
what getter is this pic from?

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Got my Progenitus promo from GP NJ this weekend.

How much worse is it now than Atraxa as a Superfriends commander? Is Progenitus even viable?

>>52163968
Skybind is a Godsend for that deck

>>52160659
Need some flavor help here
which mountains and forests are supposed to represent gruul in OG rav and RTR block? all the art seems to be of buildings and not very gruul looking things

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>>52160659
For me, there is no one else. Fully has my heart.

>>52164609
Progenitus sucks.
You don't even really need red for superfriends, most of the red walkers suck anyway.

>>52164609
>Is Progenitus even viable?
Yes. As a Shoal fodder.

>>52164566
>aura voltron
>on a commander with no built in protection or aura synergy
>at 4cmc

That's just a recipe for spot removal ruining your entire evening

>>52162003
I've watched most of their videos (although not the one you've linked). I wish they would change up the generals more. And everything Cameron says sounds extremely condescending.

Other than that, I like the videos and I like seeing competitive decks. The "social contract" of EDH can get really fucking boring so seeing people do whatever they can to win is refreshing.

Am I wasting spaces if I run both Craddle and Nyktos?

>>52165483
What would you be running instead? A forest?
Also Strip Mine is a thing; not bad to have contingency

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>>52165483
>these lands
>combined with Doubling Cube
>and Clock of Omens
>Genesis Wave for a thousand
Do it.

>>52165483
How could it be a waste to run both? Those are two of the only three non-forests I run in my monogreen decks. They're both super strong.

>>52164885
Rafiq doesn't have protection either and he was considered to be a great voltron commander. Besides, if it's a kitchen table deck, it should be able to work due to 4 colors
>but 4 colors is hard
It's a casual deck so who cares

>>52165524
Holy fuck anon you're a fucking genius. I'm just missing the Genesis wave.

>>52165566
This group is only casual in that they aren't cEDH. One guy in the group is the kind of guy that buys two or three boxes every release and has the card lot to pull from that his power level is just high as fuck. The dude bought like four boxes of Modern Masters 1.

>>52165562
Can I ask what other land do you run? Maybe it can help me.

>>52161382
>(^. ^)
Please tell me you're fucking doing that ironically

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>>52165664
Pic related. Nykthos and Gaea's Cradle are both legendary so you can't copy them with Thespian's Stage or Vesuva. Deserted Temple does the trick.

If you run Cradle and Nykthos, you 100% have to run Crop Rotation and I also suggest Tempt with Discovery. Three people agreeing to search with Tempt usually means you can end the game immediately with all the extra mana you're going to get.

This is in a Patron of the Orochi deck. It plays kind of like Legacy Elves. It's mostly acceleration and card draw. If no one slows me down, I can reliably end the game on turn 4-5.

>>52164790
How do you build that deck?

>>52165761
>Three people agreeing to search with Tempt
That actually happens?

>>52165825
Not anymore, it doesn't. Tempt seems to get put into group hug decks most commonly so I guess a lot of players don't expect it to end the game.

>>52165825
Dude, it happens all the time.

>>52165825
Oh baby does it ever

>group falls for it in my Titania
>grab all my fetches, crack them immediately
>instant army of 5/3s

>>52164718
The mountains on fire in RTR

>>52165825
Yes it still happens.

>>52165797
Pox.dec
[Spoiler] it's actually a blast [/spoiler]

>>52165825
When will they learn?

>>52160925
I'm a mouthbreathing idiot, can you link me

>>52165566
Rafiq works because he can 3-shot people naked or 2-shot them with nothing more than +2/+2. You slap one piece of aura/equipment on him with trample/flying/unblockable and then let him swing. As an added bonus he actually does something when he's cast, quite a lot when it's applied to something like Cold-Eyed Selkie or Medomai the Ageless.

Compare that to Tana who will take 4-6 turns to kill someone WITH aggressive equipment/auras like Rancor, Loxodon Warhammer and Sunforger, not to mention that she trades with fucking Grizzly Bears and does nothing the turn she drops.

Hate to say it bro, but you're brewing one big stew of disappointment.

>>52161033
Oh damn, didn't check up on the general since I left last thread.

Stuff to cut would depend entirely on your matchups, wouldn't it?

I can see Mana Geyser being really weak against a lot of decks, same with Bribery.
Worn Powerstone is probably one of the weaker manarocks.

Overall most of the cards are so reduntant that cutting one probably won't harm the overall deck too much, but picking which one is pretty hard.

If you are running Curiosity, Ophidian Eye etc, I'd probably change up the entire list to be way more low curve, with more rocks and counters, and remove all the "Draw equal to current hand size" wheels, but keep the "draw to 7" or windfall.

>>52166225
I was so sad when I built Akiri/Silas. I knew the focus wasn't about swinging with her, but I loved the idea of being able to do it. But she's so slow to get big even in an entire deck dedicated to 0 drop artifacts and even when she does she's just an unprotected, non-evasive dude that doesn't do anything ever. She makes me so fucking sad because a WR creature cranial plating sounds so cool, but I realized that its missing the part that makes cranial plating good-- the part where you can put it on a flier.

>>52166242
Also noted I had forgotten to add Paradox Engine to the decklist.

It's obviously busted.

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>>52163968
Every tutor
Every black enchantment card draw
Some other card draw
Nykthos
Cabal Coffers
Serra Sanctum if you have it. If not, at least get Nykthos.
Rattlesnake (Grave Pact, No Mercy, Karmic Justice)
Debt to the Deathless/Exsanguinate/Gary

The trick I found with him is to make your cmc average really low. >4 CMC enchantments you absolutely need are Skybind, True Conviction, Dictate of Erebos/Grave Pact. You can go a little higher, but you need smaller enchantments. The ones that act like removal work in this area.

Daxos is in it for the long game. By the time your exp is at 5, it will be worth it draw-go to pump out dudes.

>>52166340
Why isn't there an enchantment - aura version of Cabal Coffers yet? Get on it wizkids.

>>52164255
Do you think she ever has sex with the Saprolings?

>>52166340
Oh. Other higher costed enchantments I didnt include are three black Constellation dudes: Agent of Erebos (grave hate), Doomwake Giant (token hate) and Thoughtrender Lamia (hand hate).

Akroma's Memorial is not a bad idea, btw. Its not an enchantment, but I'd trade a +1/+1 buff for a buttload of abilities.

REPORTING IN ON A 2 HOUR GAME THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE 6 PERPLEXING CHIMERAS BECAUSE I'M DRUNK AND DONE WITH THIS GAME.

Anyone mind helping me make some cuts to my Momir Vig deck? I've got it narrowed down so I'm only 4 cards over. Prefer not to cut any more creatures.

Also would appreciate suggestions for cards I don't have in there that I maybe should

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/momir-vig-simic-2/

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>>52166511
>Oh. Other higher costed enchantments I didnt include
You mean did include, right? 'Cause Doomwake Giant can have real value, especially if you're running stuff like Gossamer Chains

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Post your favorite cards that you think more people should run.

Pic related appears in just over 100 decks on edhrec. It's card disadvantage, but it digs deep and can be repeated. Really good in enchantress builds.

I run it in grindy control decks that keep full hands.

>>52166242
I did mention that it was casual so it doesn't matter how fast the deck wins, just that it can be made. Not sure how it means that its shit since the deck can function in a casual setting. And to clarify why i mentioned rafiq, other guy said that she won't work cause she's 4 mana, which is a dumb argument. It's like saying "X doesn't work cause it dies".
>>52166271
Well that's easy. Give her flying through an equipment. But it is disappointing that they still insist on making boros commanders that only attack

>>52166242
My bad. This post >>52167034 was for>>52166225

>>52166605
Cut Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic expanse. You're only in 2 colors and don't have landfall stuff.

One Kiora is questionable. Two is insane. They're both pretty bad. Keep the one that prevents damage if you really want one.

I know you wanted cuts, but Worldly Tutor should be in there.

Can anyone recommend some fun interactions/ combos for green/blue?

>>52167342
Winning by cloning Biovisionary
Anything funky with +1/+1 counters
Endless Swarm + Hive Mind (Yes, it really works that way)
Deadye Navigator and literally anything if you feel like making people suffer
Draw cards and Ramp Manas is also sort of a combo

>>52163420
Yeah, I have never lost the land, even though everyone tries to rid me of it!

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New thread when?

>>52166974
Just a shitty Thought Scour in a delver deck and a shitty Brainstorm everywhere else.

>>52165825
I had a 7 player game where everyone took the bait. I tried to Armageddon that shit because I knew that the caster was going to go infinite next turn but the monoblue player with 3 lands and mostly artifacts for mana countered it. Then everyone was surprised that the original caster won on his turn.

>>52167534
fuck is that an Alesha staple I've never heard of?

what else am I missing out on

>>52167579
Who the fuck haven't heard of Karmic Guide? Did you start EDH yesterday?

>>52167600
today

>>52167574
>7 player game

I'd rather not play

There's nothing original left for me to do, I've done it all now.

>>52166810
I meant didnt include in previous post.

Also yes. Gossamer Chains is great.

>>52167617
It could have been fun, but everyone was a dumb shit. One fucking faggot gets baited every goddamn time and everyone else decides to take the bait because the one guy already decided to take it.

>editing Grixis Marchesa deck
>Manage to make room for everything I wanted to add in
>Everything except Gamble
Wat do?

>>52167617
Yes, split it into two pods, one with 3 and one with 4.

>>52167735
Cut virtually anything?

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>>52167579
Yes. It's insane. Try this on for size in your Alesha deck: any creature that says sacrifice a creature. Viscera seer, cartel aristocrat, etc. Your new buddy karmic guide and a neat little guy called Revilark. Now add in blood artist/zulaport cutthroat or any creature with an enter the battlefield effect like say, priest of the blood Rite: infinite 5/5 demons, fiend hunter: Exile all creatures that aren't yours, same with Palace jailer, except it draws you cards. Pic related works too.

Nifty cards that help: buried alive, Entomb. Maybe even a spicy dolemn gate to make sure everything lives. Anger is another mvp.

If you have any other questions, just ask. I love that little tranny.

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>>52167770
>Revilark
>Karmic Guide
Oh I've heard of this combo. I've been wondering how to do it, thank you. Time to work on my Alesha deck.

>>52167833
actually to expand on it, I heard about it in reference with Changeling, the white one whatever its name is.

You put a billion instances of its ability on the stack with Revilark, Karmic Guide, and anything that causes damage when it EtBs. Then sit back and watch the fun.

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You're forced to whip together a deck using a Commander with less than 100 decks on EDHREC, who do you build? Hard mode: Must be a card you own

I kinda like the idea of a reusable Wrath as a commander.

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>>52167993
Squee only has 41 decks and it's already main deck.

Control with Blasphemous Act and Ugin/O Stone effects. Ramp into Eldrazi or Blightsteel.

Constantly mess with hands with wheel effects.

I'm building Mayael, what's a good target for Recruiter on her deck?

>>52160726
Bruna light of Alabaster voltron/ alpha strike.

>>52168230
Bruna is great if you want to kill one player and then do nothing else for the rest of the game.

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>>52167993
>Hard mode
Tons of symmetrical draw, swing for MASSIVE DAMAGE
I kind of already run a deck with that theme, runs him as well as stuff like Sturmgeist and Masumaro, but it's shit.

>>52160726
Swell the Host Simic goodstuff. Can be built on a budget. Very scary stuff.

>>52168241
True. Unless you can manage some extra turn shenanigans you are limited to one kill per turn.

>>52168253
Built him before, he's pretty much fun for the whole table until you decide to one-shot that asshole who's been bugging you all night turn 4.

>>52163442
Holy...
You through together so many memes shitting up the threads.

I appreciated it anon, intentional or not, this post completely sums up this general.

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>>52162207
Longtime monogreen player here. 28 sounds very ambitious. I always run atleast 32 plus Dryad Arbor.

>>52165522
>>52165562
I always include the following lands:
>Cradle
>Nykthos
>Strip Mine
>Wasteland
>Dust Bowl
>Deserted Temple
>Miren, the Moaning Well
>Boseiju

If I'm running a deck with lots of Elves, I also put in Wirewood Lodge.

>>52165761
Nice post Anon. Sadly my group is too cutthroat spikey to run Temptation and forces me to always spend a slot on Cartographer and Petrified Fields.

>>52165902
Titania is a good waifu. Realms Uncharted is another wonderful card in that deck.

>>52167735
Gamble is weak, don't include it. It's worse than entomb at its best IMHO.
Worthwhile in monored, but if you have black you have 6 or 7 better tutors at least.

>>52168837
Seven tutors isn't even enough to open with one, get good.

>>52168949
>At least

Depends on what he is trying to tutor for, but he is in blue so that adds intuition.

Also you don't know how to Mulligan.

>>52165797
Not actually this guy >>52166105, I actually build it value artifacts that I can sac, for value of course. Games can get pretty grindy with her, though a plus is that she gets better the more players there are, so 6 man pods for me are the bee's knees
If you want a look, here's a decklist: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/t-h-e-c-y-b-o-r-g-s-l-a-y-e-r-s/

Also, for other Glissa players out there, would like a bit of advice. I wanna make a few.changes, namely these:

Workshop Assistant->Scarecrone
Nihil Spellbomb->Sensei's Divining Top
Slaughter->Grave Pact
Herald of Anguish->Mindslaver
Myr Retriever->Junk Diver
Workshop Assistant->Sculpting Steel
Verdurous Gearhulk->Unwinding Clock
Cogwork Assembler->Serum Tank
Lifecrafter's Bestiary->Dimir Machinations
?->Jester's Cap

But I'm not sure if that's the way to go. Any input from some friendly anons?

>>52167993
Actually, I already run a Silumgar, the Drifting Death total control deck. It's so fucking sweet when Silumgar + Xenograft/Conspiracy drops and people's indestructible armies get annihilated before they can even block.

>>52165825
It happens all the fucking time on xmage and it pisses me the fuck off. Side note, is it even worth it to be the only one at the table that doesn't search?

>>52167993
I already run the invasion dragons

Tidehollow Sculler pulls a Fatal Push.
Can I play it in response?

>>52170225

No. It is resolving you lost your chance. You can respond to the trigger of him targeting you though.

>>52160128
>Danny has cancer
SHit man that's sad to hear.

>>52160462
Oh you cheeky bastard

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>>52164708
Cheeky

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>>52166974
Attunement is perfect for paradox engine decks, been running it for some time never disappoints.
If you get bad cards with pic related, you have built a bad deck.

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>>52167077
>They're both pretty bad.
STOP BEING RIGHT

>>52167561
No dawg it's closer to a Bazaar

>>52167993
I run Mangara of Corondor already. My build needs a little work as I just threw it together, played it a bit, and haven't much with it. It lacks finishing power, but I can rattlesnake people for days once I get on board.

I've been wanting to build Kaho as a commander for a long time. I run her in decks now and then and she's fun, but tricky to use properly. Additionally, because my cardpool is kind of limited I'd need to take apart my beloved Patron of the Moon deck to build Kaho since there's a bit of overlap in blue staples or monocolored staples in general.

What should I use as tokens for mirrorworks?

>>52171478
foil versions of the card you are copying

>>52171517
fuck this is spicy

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>>52167993

easy.

bunch of stuff that kills x/1 creatures, tree of perdition, black mike on a trike riding tooth and nail, bunch of goodstuff for good measure, and pod.

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hey guys.

You weren't thinking of casting anything without asking firs, right? That would be rude...

>>52171517
>mfw the deck I run mirrorworks in has almost 50 artifacts
>mfw I'd need a foil mana crypt, lion's eye diamond, grim monolith and mana vault

Budget options pls ;_;

>>52171684
>not spending 2000 buckaroos to show off in the mtg meme format
lmao poorfag

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>>52162630
Well, there's always the shittier bargain version.

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>>52171616
I'M SORRY SIR, BUT DID YOU GET A PERMIT FOR THAT SPELL?

>>52171616
Azorius and Orzhov players should die in a fire

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>>52171783
>>52171616
Pfff Those kids this days, do you even stax?

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Did you guys know that 4 and 5 color etb jank is actually super good?
I built a "dude sodomy lmao" deck without any sort of support cards just cards that etb for effects and its undefeated on MTGO
granted thats not saying much but among the decks I beat were Primespeaker (who got an OG tamyo emblem out) and an atraxa planeswalker deck.
I only really play 1v1 also.

>>52172023
>entire deck is 2 for 1s
>surprised when he beats up on some casuals.

>>52172023
you seem to misunderstand edh

>>52172044
>causals
wait, atraxa walkers and primespeaker are casual decks?
>>52172077
how so?

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>>52172089
no one playing EDH actually cares if the deck they are playing is good. the format is solved already, the best deck is tazri food chain and it's only played by autists who weren't good/rich enough to play vintage. when people actually try to win in EDH, it turns games to uninteresting solitaire combofests.

as a result, 95% of the people playing EDH in this general care more about spicy tech or making everyone at their table mad than they do about winning

i'm sure your deck is nice but saying that you can beat other people's decks in 1v1 isn't really that noteworthy. hell, i'm proud that my maelstrom deck is undefeated 1v1 in my 75% meta but i would never brag out it because i know a real tryhard deck would btfo me in a second

>>52172089
That is the definition of a casual pod if I could make one up. All it's missing is a Tokens decks and you have the casual trifecta.

You should make it into a 4c kiki-pod-twin-reveillark-boonweaver-archangel of Thune deck.

I don't know what this guy >>52172151 is talking about, the format's not solved, there is a teir-ish structure and good decks.
>I'm not bragging, but I'm bragging
>I don't care about winning but play 75% decks
>nobody cares if their deck is good
>plays maelstrom Wanderer
Players) please do yourself and the EDH community a favor and not listen to this guy.

>>52170625
If be Bazaar you mean basically the opposite being counterable and requiring mana, not to mention that the strategies Bazaar lends itself to (mainly Dredge) don't exist in 99 card singleton.

>>52172151
>he format is solved already, the best deck is tazri food chain
thats a relatively new deck and doesn't have an exceptionally high win rate against other t1 decks. You are completely wrong.
the thing that is notable about the 4 color deck I was playing is that without any sort of support, especially not from the command zone, you can literally 2 for 1 your opponent out of the game. That to me tells you one of two things, ETBs are very strong even outside of blink decks or that the average deck that people play is incredibly bad and considering I won through at few turns of a Tamiyo ult they seem pretty good.
I come from playing a lot of very cutthroat edh, edh was my first magic format and that was what the local meta was all about. So when I moved to MTGO I am actually surprised at how playing like this can beat decks that have a dedicated strategy.

>>52172212
>>52172257
so what are the actual t1 decks in edh?

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>>52172212
The format is actually solved though, which tends to happen when you have the entire tutor package at you disposal.

>>52172226
>draw 4 discard 3 is basically the opposite
the opposite of draw 2 discard 3
I was saying its closer to bazaar than brainstorm.

>>52172273
That's not really the case.

>>52172268
>The format is actually solved though
Taziri doenst have a deathgrip on the competitive metagame its just the newest form of 5c hermit druid, its fast, resilient but ultimately a fragile combo deck.
There are still reasons to play prossh food chain over taziri and it still gets shit on by stax and other control decks.
>>52172297
Brainstorm doens't filter your deck without a shuffle effect, both bazaar and Attunement do, they also both fill up your graveyard. Do you care to explain why Attunement is closer to brainstorm than it is to bazaar? because so far the things you mention effect both brainstorm and Attunement.

>>52168390
>28 sounds very ambitious
It is, but Seton is lightning fast. He costs nothing and his ability gets around summoning sickness. When he's out, you can blitz out gigantic creatures with terrifying speed.

>>52172333
>because so far the things you mention effect both brainstorm and Attunement.
and thats not enough to call them the same because that effects all non-lands
sorry forgot to finish my sentence

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So apparently this is a thing

>>52172268
EDH is not solved.

You want a solved format, Tiny Leaders is solved.

>>52172396
thats cool!
not sold on the art though, she doesn't even look like shes pushing in with the spear.

>>52172333
>fragile
To enchantment removal, which is entirely different to the creature removal Hermit Druid lost to.
>still reasons to run Prossh
Yeah like missing multiple tutors, or losing to removal, or choosing to play a combo deck without counterspell backup? It's clear you've got no idea what you're taking about.
>loses to stax
In your dreams maybe.

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>>52172151
>no one playing EDH actually cares if the deck they are playing is good.
Good one nigger

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>>52172434
I prefer her pack-art, but I'm a sucker for Howard Lyon so I'll like this one too.

>>52172454
well i personally just aim for that 75% power every time i build a deck.

some decks i build go over that 75% power threshold when i build them, so i need to intentionally gimp them so that they don't actively fuck up my meta. viceversa, if the archetype/color/commander i'm building turns out weaker than the 75%, then i have to add a lot of powerful cards (that i wouldn't play otherwise) to reach that 75%.

it feels bad to gimp your own deck but it's basically the only way to stop arms races in your meta

>>52172537
There's a world of difference between "nobody cares if their deck is good" and "people intentionally stop short of 'optimal' in the interest of fun".

>>52172447
>>loses to stax
>In your dreams maybe
Don't talk about decks you have never played against. T1 or T2 thorn effects will fuck that deck up, no questions asked. Its why people still play creature combo decks, also prossh recovers quicker off of being denied the combo. Also prossh's plans C and D are much stronger than Taziri's

>>52172396
IIIIIIIII CRYYYYYYY WHEN ANGELS DESERVE TO DIEEEEEEEEEE

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What are some spicy/flavorful additions to an Angry Omnath deck?

>>52172554
well i mean, i don't really care if my decks are good or not, they'll just get tuned towards that 75% whether they are or not.

i only really care about playing spicy stuff and having funny interactions, most of the time that i win i just feel like crap because i blew everyone out with good draws or some goofy one-shot-wonder like rise of the dark realms (which i put in my deck because it was too weak otherwise)

>>52172660
Blade of Selves is a fairly obvious one. Ingot Chewer is fun, too.

>>52172660
jokulhaups
bonus points if you have titania

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>>52172602
father into your hands, I commend my spirit. Father into your hands, why have you forsaken me?[spoiler/]

>>52171783
>picture doesn't feature humility + moat
>picture doesn't feature smokestack + tanglewire
>picture doesn't feature chains
C'mon anon, you're playing pussy STAX. Get some 4K solution up in this bitch.

>>52172396
Gorgeous. There are some wonky elements but they seem deliberately wonky to evoke early Renaissance art.

>>52172537
I've been shamelessly trying to approach the 100% mark ever since I got my deck. The only problem is it's Kalemne.

>>52172915
i can respect trying to turn a shit archetype/colors to be as powerful as possible

godspeed anon

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>>52172893
Yeah, Lyon does that a lot with his Angel artwork.

>>52172396
I can't find this promo anywhere on the internet, and I want it so bad. Where did you find this anon?

>>52173016
he found it on ribbit

>>52173016
Magic Judge twitter. It was just announced today.

>>52172447
You are retarded. Consistent removal of food chain literally destroys Tazri's strategy, Prossh is much better at recovering if food chain becomes unavailable.

Not to mention that Grixis storm is still an incredibly strong archetype.

>>52171876

actually, gaa4 is my backup commander in a fairly light stax variant. the primary commander here is brago etb circus (and reseting counters on wire, lavinia, glen elendra etc.)

>>52173411
Do you know what solved means or are you just memeing?

>>52173411
well to be fair usually there's bomberman thrown in there too as well as sometimes a third, significantly worse inf mana combo but yeah its more resilient than you would think but still pretty hamstrung

>>52173540
>Do you know what solved means
you don't get to redefine things just because it suites you.

>>52173540
I think it's fairly clear he knows what solved means and is arguing quite effectively that EDH is not.

>>52173595
>>52173600
There is only FCT, FCP, Hermit Druid Storm and Stax as decks with Karador Boonweaver no longer being viable, that is literally solved.

If to you solved does not mean "every competitively viable deck is known and the format will not change until the release of new cards or banlist changes" then what exactly do you think it means?

>>52173648
>Karador Boonweaver no longer being viable
m8 what the fuck are you on about?
also
>no high tide decks
>no storm
>not a single doomsday list
either your meta is absolute garbage or you dont actually play t1 commander

>>52173774
I just fucking said Storm.

posting again because I need feedback
What do you guys think? Do I need more islands or am I fine?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/that-one-scene-from-scanners/

>>52173814
there was no comma i was confused by hermit druid storm, which is definitely not a deck.
you also said nothing about doomsday decks which is curious because they are the backbone of the meta atm and no mention of either of the dominant mono green generals.

and even if the meta was dominated by the few decks you mentioned, most of them have components that are very new and it would be way too early to call it solved.

so in closing
1). you dont know shit
2). ur dumb
3). stop crying like little babby

>>52173858
>no Rhystic Study, Extraplanar Lense, High Tide, Preordain, Top, etc.
>bunch of unplayable jank like Scourge of Fleets
>only wincon seems to be Ebony Owl and Viseling with no actual lock
You get a 3/10, why even bother asking for advice?

>>52173648
>There's nearly a half-dozen perfectly viable decks, several of which didn't exist at all just a few years ago
>The format is solved

>>52174084
What is an Oxford Comma, you dipthong?

>The strippers, JFK, and Stalin
vs
>The strippers, JFK and Stalin

i need to decide whether to put sanguine bond or exquisite blood in my lifegain deck so i'm rolling a d6 for it. odds are exquisite blood, evens are sanguine bond

>>52174084
>You don't use a comma to separate the last item of a list retard.
>Hermit Druid Storm and Stax
Doomsday is played in a large variety of decks including but not limited to Jeleva, Zur, leovold and thrasios partner decks.

>>52174148
Personally I'd say to put in Bond if you're not putting the combo. A dedicated lifegain deck already has enough ways to gain life, so Exquisite Blood is pretty shitty without Bond to back it up; it does literal nothing except gain life in a deck that already does that in droves.

Bond, on the other hand, turns all your lifegain into burn. Easy call.

Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>52174148
why didn't my roll work

ok new try

>>52174155
Yeah but he doesn't like it/nobody at his particular shop plays it, which means it's Tier 5 and doesn't exist.

>>52174148
the problem with the Blood//Bond combo is that its too slow for competitive tables and too instawin for 75%
so it really depends on your meta, but chances are the wins will feel very cheap or it will just be crap.

>>52174180
to be honest i knew i was going to be disappointed either way

>>52174189
Nigga can you not read? He's deciding which ONE of them to put in.

>>52174084
That's only if you include "and" between the second to last, and last items. Even then a comma will always be correct.

>>52174177
yeah everyone is telling me to put bond in, but something about exquisite blood is calling to me

shit, i guess i'll put in bond. it costs about 1/5th exquisite blood does, anyway

>>52174213
>ONE
but why, one will clearly be superior based on the deck
>can you read
it appears to be difficult for me.

>>52174187
>>52174155
Post a list then. I play online so the idea that I somehow haven't seen this "tier 1" deck in any form is unlikely at best.

>>52174336
>The plural of "anecdote" is "data"

>>52169209
Anyone? Is there no other Glissa fans I can talk with?

>>52174419
infect, pox or valuetown?

Moving away from the upper tiers: Building on a budget. If you ever do it, what qualifies as "having a Budget", what qualifies as "a Budget Deck", and what's your strategy for building with money constraints on.

>Generally make a new deck with a budget of 150 or less
>Sometimes try to mess around with restrictive budgets like 50
>All nonlands go in first
>Anything egregiously expensive risks the chopping block. I can generally soak some 10 dollar cards and as many 5 dollar cards as I'm liable to need but going up over ten for a single card strains matters.
>Once the nonlands are in a good state, which is often fairly immediate, start on the lands
>Utility lands go in first. Then Command Tower if this is a multicolor deck.
>Painlands get a slot next since they exist at the crossroads of costing only a buck or two and always coming in untapped.
>If the deck is really cheap, in go Shocks. If it's really, REALLY under budget, in go allied fetches that grab more than one relevant land type.
>TESTING. Test the heck out of your decks. Proxy with index cards if you must. Use Tappedout. FFS spare yourself from obvious and critical errors made in the name of cutting costs
>If I need more mana diversification, solutions depend on remaining budget. Enters tapped lands are authorized. Test again. Do I need colors more, or hurt for tempo more? Repeat until mostly satisfied with the balance. Protip: never really satisfied. Could always be smoother

Can someone help me cut some things in my deck to put the following cards in it?

The deck:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lazy-ass-procreation/

The cards:
Doubling Cube
Clock of Omens
Genesis Wave
crop rotation

Not pictured:
Nyktos, Craddle and Deserted Temple, all in place of forests.

>places order a week ago
>gets redirected to guam
>gets here finally
> the rest of the order is kosher, but no krosan verge
> instead a kraum, ludvics opus is included

HAD ONE JOB

>>52174672
>repeated testing in 99 card singleton
Just learn math dude.

>>52174800
Oh right, also, the path to exile is sometimes switched to swords to plowshares.

>>52174672
>If you ever do it, what qualifies as "having a Budget"
I try to stay at or under 100 dollars with no card costing more than 7ish
I also try to stay away from expensive commanders
>>52174800
>ass-procreation
thats not how it works

>>52174926
>I try to stay at or under 100 dollars with no card costing more than 7ish
Christ in a bike, I could not build shit like that. Kudos.

>>52172396
AAAAAAAGGGGHHHH
MY DICK

>>52175020
Its really very simple, my first 5 color deck came out to 80 bucks
the important thing to know about building budget decks is that land ramp is color fixing that is cheap and effective
and that there have been a myriad of forgotten junk rares that are powerful cards, but you have to keep in mind that you arent building budget versions of other decks you are building a deck with the budget cards in mind, not just slotted in less powerful versions of expensive cards.

Say I only enjoy playing decks based around creatures in EDH but already have a million and one graveyard/cheat out fatties decks. What's a "creature" commander that's fun to build for and not tribal?

>>52175193
Wort the Raidmother. Really unique RG creature commander.

>>52174672
Doing this is how I've assembled a commander deck in every colour over the course of 5 years.
Monocoloured decks are by far the cheapest.
I also phoned in some decks that I didn't give a fuck about.

What budget cards are your favourite? I'm quite fond of bloodgift demon in any black deck. Swiftfoot boots also fit almost everywhere.

>>52172660
Christ that token

Also, just edhrec/tappedout/just google
Everyone plays madnath
including me. We're not special

>>52163412
so going per the way you put it, if you are happening on the thread, ive done the exercise and have come to conclude that there are no noticable changes in tempo nor improved mana fixing. of the playtests done i find that the shocks come too late or too early to really affect how the deck plays out. the 50 (or 100 if i included the verdant) or so dollars would not be price performance smart.

>>52175587
although i will admit i pulled out the darigaaz's caldera after seeing how detrimental it is

>>52175605
I don't think the Lairs are THAT bad. If you're in the Shard colors, they're a better option than the Ravnica Karoos.

>>52174672
I build stuff from the bargain bin and use stuff that i already own.

>>52175621
true, but the only karoo that i had in there was rot farm, and only until they made a g/b battle dual. i put grim backwood back in the deck in place of the caldera

>>52174570
Valuetown, of course. She lets me play artifacts without being one of the usual choices, while at the the same time being good at it, due to her colors. Here's my list, it manages to be real grindy, while pushing the value train as hard as possible: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/t-h-e-c-y-b-o-r-g-s-l-a-y-e-r-s/

It's funny how powerful it becomes the more players are in a game, 6+ and literally everyone need to focus me or lose in my playgroup.

>>52175651
Eh, I'd still run karoos over the battlelands. And I'm not that fond of karoos.

>>52175667
the problem i have is sometimes i end up karoo flooded, in a three color deck. 2 color they work fine though

>>52175660
Ah, this brings back mrmories of my glissa deck I used to run back from her release through the middle of theros. I might rebuild her, seeing the few but new black artifact toys kaladesh gave.

>>52175226
And not going down the autistic tribal route won't inherently gimp the deck before I start?

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>>52172396
Wew, glad I dumped my foil copies at a GP last month.

>>52175966
Wort doesn't WANT to be a tribal deck. You're gonna want some token makers to keep her online, but mostly she's Gruul Spellslinger.

>>52175587
Alright. Glad to hear you were at least willing to put your assumptions to the test.

Happy deckbuilding, anon.

>>52175587
Good on ya for taking the time to take advice, test shit out, and report back on it. You're alright anon.

>>52176298
>>52176369
thank you, i appreciated the constructive conversation. i will use that for doing 4 color decks though, i might have to end up re doing my wife and i's kt and yidris.

>>52175966
Boggart Auntie is tribal. Raidmother is a hilarious conspire engine and doesn't give a shit about goblins.

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>>52162003
>everyone has black
>three out of four have blue
>two doomsday decks
>"gameplan? going for infinites"

New thread when, Jesus Christ.

>>52177202
Have you ever actually made a new thread?

>>52177519
>>52177519
>>52177519
new thread

>>52177423
Once. It was the banlist thread. It was a shitshow.

>>52176681
Most people ask for advice and then soundly ignore all of it that doesn't support the decision they've already made.

Most people in these threads don't actually want advice, they want their own opinion repeated back to them in someone else's voice.