Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>52123339
Rise of Primarch epub anyone?

>>52123339
Tau are the best race. Prove me wrong

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>tfw too intelligent for a to hit and wound chart

KILL ALL ORK AND NID PLAYERS
PURGE THE WEAK

Which is a better all comer sword or maul? And which kit has a bunch on the sprues?

>>52123304
I don't mind formation as they're both playable but fluffy at the same time. Take a big grunt formation, small elite formation and get some bonuses for recreating something from canon.

>>52123305
I wasn't clear: I meant give ObSec back solely to Troops, like in 6th edition.

>>52123370
they don't like cqc, automatic fail

>>52123370
Those fuckers cant melee for shit.

>>52123386
>Onager Gauntlet
>Fusion Blades
>Failsafe Detonator
Tau are a melee race

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>long time tzeench player here haha
>hold on let me see what that power does

can a transport vehicle hold more than 1 squad in it if it a fast attack and not dedicated transport?

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Post your homebrews, we all know this will be the only place you ever use them anyway.

>Deathwatch Kill Marine
>30 points
>unit consists of one model, can add up to 4 additional Kill Marines costing 30 points each
>same stats as a DW Veteran
>same equipment as a DW Veteran but with a camo-cloak and a stalker bolter instead of a bolter
>any model in the squad can select weapons from the Ranged, Special and Melee category
>any model in the squad can take melta bombs for 5 points each
>same special rules as a DW Veteran plus infiltration
>can be taken as part of the Kill Team formations confering his infiltration special rule to the Kill Team

>>52123426
No.
Only marines can carry more than one unit in a normal transport.

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Thoughts on the list?

>>52123370
From a narrative perspective they're insufferably badly written, effectively being the best at everything with no weaknesses and pitiful consequences for breaking the themes of the setting (on top of gaining advantages for it), the only thing stopping them being territory.

From an in-universe perspective, too small and Empire to be worth much in the grand scheme of things except through their habit of weakening the Imperium. Necrons in particular, if they had any reason to, could blow the entire Empire away with minimal issue.

>>52123376
I used to consider orks my least favorite faction because they were silly and rediculous, but now its nids because orks have fluff and personality where as nids players are all faggot WAACs who don't care about the fluff further than to whine their army isnt the most powerful.

>>52123497
>nids players are all faggot WAACs
>nids players

>orks my least favorite faction because they were silly and rediculous

>>52123410
i've heard tales tau being ready to fight but i haven't seen it yet. hopefully when i get my eldar finished i'll see it happen in real life next week

>>52123480
Spawn arent good, Id drop them and give your base marine squads meltaguns, Id switch your terminator combi weapons to have a couple meltas too.

Also come on man, take squads of 8. What are you trying to do with squads of six there, get spawned yourself? Using Slaaneshs sacred number is a sure way to earn the disfavor of nurgle.

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Rate
Be harsh.

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>>52123376
YOUZ WANNA 'AVE A GO DO YA?!

>>52123440
that actually sounds really cool.

my mind is too barricaded by thought that i'll never get to play my homebrew units, to even attempt making any

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So Tyrannid codex released this summer - elite designs based on the Hive Minds encounters with chaos/imperium.

The imperium was right, this was just a scout fleet and now the true invasion begins, with the endless horde that devoured 12 (twelve) galaxies before.

Nids will get new evolutions that can match bloodthirsters in battle and face the greatest psykers down due to Hive Mind adaptations.

It's all ogre.

anyone have any advice on a poor kawaii boi like me who wants to start some tsun night lord kuns? I know they are jump assault armies but I dont know where to begin aside from buying raptors

>>52123574
Stop posting this in every thread and please go play an army with fluff.

>>52123497
>Nids
>WAAC

are you trying to rub it in? Nid players like to collect space bugs. Not everybody has to like super speshul 100% lore background deepest lore races man.

>>52123610
>Nid player making fun of people for getting into the fluff
Kys casual chad
Go play CoD and get out of my tabletop.

>>52123574
Cool fanfic.

>>52123379
Maul insta gibs stuff alot more if on even a basic marine, also has concussive to help out, tends to would alot on wounds and makes vehicles alot easier.
Sword just goes through 3+ and makes marine on marine a little easier.

>>52123534
I need spawn as an Aux. choice to fill out DG Decurion.

Also 8 is not Nurgle's sacred number either - 7 is

>>52123336

Basically, you need to buff and debuff stack intelligently.

Done right, and that formation makes it way easier, you're functionally I5 and are hitting marines on 3's whilst they hit you on 5's on your crucial Slaughtersprint turn.

They're also great against vehicles because of the dataspike, fast even when not slaughtersprinting, and you can relic one of the units Zealot.

Meanwhile the infiltrators are weight of fire personified, and their debuff bubble is downright infuriating when buffed up to 12 inches.

>every fucking nid game ever
>"it's your last stand and you have to survive"
>last stand over and over again

>>52123635
Oh yeah, it is...
My bad.
Still, I know 6 is Slaanshes sacred number.
Drop a terminator or something and give your squads meltaguns or atleast some special weapon.

>>52123657
Why do you hate Nids so much? Did a Mawloc eat your mum and dad?

>>52123591
say goodbye to any marine character who isnt currently in plastic

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Reminder not to respond to the nid shitposter who keeps copy/pasting the same shit

>>52123591
So what's the verdict, are these kitbashes or leaks for swole marines?

>>52123675
They're just a boring army and no one wants to hear people who don't care about fluff saying their faction is the best and its gonna win and always should win.

Like there are plenty of great nid players who just love the aesthetic of the army, which is fine. Nids do look really good with their phallic xenomorph penis heads. Hell even fighting a namelless and endless horde is cool- but if you're a fluff-casual WAAC and start talking to people who actually care about the setting asserting the dominance of your faction when you have no invstment in the setting is annoying at first but quickly overflows into rage and hatred.

>new mega folder: still no How To Paint: Ironjawz

sad

>>52123591
what is this?

>>52123729
>people who don't care about fluff saying their faction
Well they are doing right.

>>52123681
Named characters are for losers anyway, what kind of faggot uses a premade character when thy can take a generic character and self insert on it instead?

>>52123746
a shitty photo

>>52123339
Yeah, Marines Malevolent!

>>52123747
Is this even English?

>>52123713

It's either a remarkably good kitbash that plausibly looks like it could be Mark nine armour, or it's a new marine model photographed on someone's crappy workbench.

Either way, a perfect troll that skirts the line perfectly between real and fake, causing the community to implode.

>First shipment from GW is done through Fedex
>Gets here very quickly with no problems
>Second shipment from GW is done though UPS
>Lost

>>52123758
ok, I thought it was important or something

>>52123772
Ah, well if anything that Larger Bolter looks really cool.

>>52123750
>faggot for not being a loser who has to self insert
At least put effort into the bait

>>52123729
Why do you think they don't care about fluff, Anon?

>>52123790
Megamarine.

Made with Guilliman's blood to be super astartes. Coming soon.

>>52123737
>Can't afford £6 for a book he wants

sad

>>52123826
just looks like mk8.1 with a double bolter

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>>52123440
Mechanicus Karos Assault Crawler:

Vehicle
AV 11/10/10 Open-Topped, Doctrina Imperatives (Yes, that can net you a WS4 non-walker).
Carries 11 non-bulky or higher, armed with two Kataphron Phosphor Blasters, costs 60.
Nothing fancy, like the rest of the Skitarii on their own. Dedicated Transport for Vanguard, Rangers, Peltasts and Hoplites.


Alt build:

Mechanicus Phalanx Shield Generator:
125 points.

Same chassis as the Karos, but loses the armament for a 30k style Anabaric Claw (D6 S5 AP4 Rending hits in melee at I10 or during a vehicle ram/being rammed, once per turn) and swaps the Transport Cap and Open-Topped for two Void Shield Generator layers, that work the same as that. Can buy another for 15pts.
Gains the Crawler rule like the Dunecrawler, generator is heavy.

Both can buy Dozers, Hunter-Killers, Extra Armour, all the usual nonsense.


Formation for them:
Two to six Karos, 1-3 Phalanx. Karos must be carrying 10-strong Skitarii or Secutarii units. Phalanx regens shields at a +1 for each Karos within 6", but each Karos only buffs the closest Phalanx, so the more transports you hide under one shield, the stronger it gets, but will obviously be taking more fire. Having one Phalanx protecting four Karos for guaranteed shield regen is attractive, but when those shields go down and they kill your AV11/10/10 generator the rest of those are going to be hurting.


Probably accidentally made something extremely broken here that I haven't noticed. Any bullshit combos you can find, guys and/or girls?

>>52123826
i'm confused about why we're getting megamarines. shouldn't this have popped up in 30k? ya know the height (higher then now) of technology, multiple primarchs around and the emperor doing his experiments

>>52123842

Mark 9 with Cawl-made repeater Bolter, prolly if it's real.

Which I'm cool with, I'll be disgusted if it has a buffed base stat line rather than just equipment and is given "Now that Gulliman is back we can make Gullimarines!" Backstory though.

>>52123857
Cawl's been working on it for 10,000 years. Guilliman gave him two tasks, the super armour he now wears, and the super marines.

Shit > Nids

>>52123497
Makes me laugh when Nid players are like "my army should be super adaptive!" and then ignore the fact that the Nid army in the fluff only adapts after their wave has been destroyed and not on the fly.

Your "adaption" is taking a different list friend.

>>52123867
>Now that Gulliman is back we can make Gullimarines

Sounds like those neo-marines Corax was doing for a while.

>>52123620
Why are you being so defensive? I'm not making fun of you i'm just confused as to why you're stalking nid players thread to thread telling them they shouldn't play. I have a nid army as well as gaurdsmen and admech. I enjoy the fluff greatly as well. Not every nid player is that same chad that made fun of you the last time you went outside your house.

>>52123497
Man I just like space bug dinos.

>>52123867
maybe we'll get veterans with WS/BS/I 5 again

If they're legit I'll probably swap the bolters with the classic model, though. Longbolters look kinda janky.

Marines on 25mm bases, or on 32mm? What's the consensus?

>fucking GW my meme army that nobody plays doesnt get enough releases reeeeee
>buys second hand
>pirates his codex
Everytime

>>52123904

So they're brand new, and they have WS/BS5?

The fuck do trained ones have, WS/BS6 with 9/8 captains?

>>52123924
used to be 25, got changed to 32

>>52123929
No one fucking knows stats yet.

>>52123924

I'm not

Huh

Shit

I have a lot of recasting to do, Welp?

>>52123898
>>52123903
see
>>52123729

I don't really hate nids, I just hate nid players who are WAACs with no investment in the setting. This faggot just sets me off because hes clearly the asshole who thinks nids should always win and be better than everyone so that he can play his fluffless army in tournaments.
>>52123574

>Ghazghkull is the prophet of Gork n Mork!
>LD9

>>52123929
did you miss the MAYBE at the start of my post

also I'd assume they'd be already veteran marines, just given new gear

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>>52123440
No option for Teleport Homers/Locator Beacons?

>>52123657
Yeah, for nids. I play Warconvo.

>>52123963

>did you miss the MAYBE at the start of my post?

No, but I was calling your suggestion silly if these are meant to be newbies straight out of the gene forge.

>>52123955
Well I mean speaking personally I would like if I could play them without just doing skyblight but I am also building dark angles and chaos so I'd say I'm "invested" in the fluff.

>>52123924
Whichever you prefer.
32mm looks much better, Im actually very glad GW gave space marines a larger base.

>>52123497
Orks are cool until they start talking like brain-damaged soccer hooligans. Listening to their tard speak kills any sense of seriousness or tension.

>>52123931
I know the "official" guidelines changed, but which option is considered better?

Hey /40kg/

I really want to start a Minotaurs army. I know, I know, lots of people hate that chapter, and their tactics admittedly aren't very good unless Moloc's around. But they look pretty cool and I like the idea that they're the High Lords' fratricidal attack dogs.

My problem, however, is that I've always played xenos and have no idea where to start with Space Marines - especially not with SM who should be A) Assault focused and B) loaded up with fancy equipment (ie a bunch of Forge World stuff). Does anyone have any suggestions?

My problem is really that my lists all end up super "top heavy" and without too much purpose.

Here's what I came up with at 1250
HQ:
>Lord (mother fucking) Asterion Moloc - 235

Elites:
>Cataphractii Terminators - 200
(3 with Combi-Bolter and Lightning Claw, 1 with Chainfist and Heavy Flamer, Sergeant with Grenade Harness, Combi-Bolter and Sword)
>Vanguard Veteran Squad - 160
(Jump Packs, 2x Veteran with 2 Lightning Claws, 2x Veteran with Bolt Pistol and Power Sword, 1x Sergeant with Melta Bombs, Storm Shield, and Power Sword)

Troops:
>Scout Squad - 84
(Camo Cloaks, 4x Sniper Rifle, Sergeant with Combi-Flamer and Teleport Homer)
>Tactical Squad - 130
(Rhino with Hunter Killer; 5 Marines, 1x Plasma Gun)

Fast Attack:
>Drop Pod - 35
(Goes with Cents)
>Land Speeder - 70
(2x Multi-Melta)
>Land Speeder - 70
(2x Multi-Melta)

Heavy:
>Centurion Devastator Squad
(2x Grav-Cannon and Grav-Amp + Hurricane Bolter, Sergeant with Grav-Cannon and Grav-Amp, Missile Launcher, and Omni-scope)

>>52124013
32mm because then its legal you cheating fuck

>>52123996
>if these are meant to be newbies
why would they be newbies

Marines can just upgrade their armour, man. That's what happened with marks one through seven before technology started stagnating.

>>52124002

I'm not, it nerfed small blasts even further to make some armies (any marines, Necrons..) 32mm.

On the other hand, it does work -perfectly- for Stealth Suits, which were always about terminator bulky but not quite as wide in stance.

>>52123996
And yet Tau Fire Warriors with about 10-15 years of experience on the battlefield have the same WS and one higher BS than a Tactical Marine. GW doesn't give a shit about what makes sense from an 'experience' perspective and training counts for fuck-all these days in terms of 40k's 'skill'-scaling.

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>>52124020

Fuck I forgot my picture

>>52124032

>And yet Tau Fire Warriors with about 10-15 years of experience on the battlefield have the same WS and one higher BS than a Tactical Marine.

The fuck are you talking about? The veteran, even the translates as hero statlines for Tau are 3/3 same as the private.

Only commanders have any better, and those guys are basically equivalent to a chapter master.

>>52123998
Right well I apologize for hating on your army then, you're not the kind of person Im talking about. I just can't stand when nid players say shit like, "my army always wins." or, "The Tyranids are unstoppable." or, "The bigger wave is coming to eat everything."
Like every army has an inevitable win condition in the fluff (except Eldar lol), Id hate an Imperium player if he walked around in the store saying Imperium armies should never lose because they have an unending wave of troops and that one day the emperor is gonna wake up and kill all the xenos/chaos.

>>52124013
25 just looks weird to me.
plis i'm a fag for decorating my bases, so 32 gives more space

>>52124051
Fire Warriors have 2/3, Fireblades (who have about 10-15 years of experience) have 4/5, Firesight Marksmen have 2/5.

>>52124026

Gullimarines are supposedly a brand new form of gene enhancement.

>>52124013
Erm let's see that -- official (not guidelines) is what base it currently comes with. Terminators moved from 25mm to 40mm bases, no problems, so of course Space Marines should be 32mm bases. Is reading and understanding a problem for you?

>>52124070
Supposedly, but I'll believe that when I see it.

>>52124066

Ah, I had it wrong, don't own a tau codex.

All I know is anyone of 'Ui rank or higher is equivalent to a guard veteran, but both Shas'Ui and Shas'Vore have the same BS as a basic guardsman.

>>52123835

6£ are more than free

>>52124024
You're trying to say I have to rebase all my old marines for them to be legal?

Fuck that shit

>>52124024
>>52124085
Well, mine came with 25mm, so I think I'm justified to think about buying the 32 ones

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>>52123440
I just want to make stormtroopers great again, so I stole a bunch of stuff from the Skitarii codex;

>Tempestus Scions [75pts]

>Unit Composition: 4 Tempestus Scions, 1 Tempestor

Tempestor---WS4 / BS4 / S3 / T3 / W1 / I3 / A2 / Ld9
Scion----------WS4 / BS4 / S3 / T3 / W1 / I3 / A1 / Ld8

>Wargear:

Carapace Armour
Hellgun (Scion)
Hellpistol (Tempestor)
Close Combat Weapon (Tempestor)
Frag & Krak Grenades

>Special Rules:

Deep Strike, Move Through Cover, Precision Shots

>Hellgun

Range18"/S3/AP5/Assault 3, Shred

>Hellpistol

Range6"/S3/AP5/Pistol, Burst Pistol, Shred

Burst Pistol: A weapon with this special rule fires five shots when fired, but is otherwise treated as a pistol

>OPTIONS:

May include up to five additional Tempestus Scions [13pts/model]

The Tempestor may swap his Hellpistol & CCW for a Hellgun for free

The Tempestor may take items from the Melee Weapons and Special Weapons list

One Tempestus Scion may carry a Vox Caster [5pts]

Up to two Tempestus Scions which haven't recieved any other upgrades may replace their Hellgun with an item taken from the Special Weapons list

The squad may take a Valkyrie Assault Carrier as a Dedicated Transport

The squad may take a Taurox Prime as a Dedicated Transport. All units in your opponent's army get Prefered Enemy against the squad and transport. The squad's point cost is increased to [600pts]. Your opponent is allowed to stamp repeatedly on your Dedicated Transports if victorious.

>>52124031
The only time it really nerfs blasts is when you're hitting targets that are clustered, and like the only time its acceptable to be clustered is when you get your transport blown up or after a deepstrike.

>>52124108
In a casual game, I wouldn't give a damn, and I presume you're not playing tournaments so there's little reason to worry unless your entire LGS starts getting really flustered about such a small change that makes very minimal practical differences.

>>52124108
Lots of marine kits still come with 25mm, both are entirely legal.

>>52124108

The only justifiable reason to ever rebase a mini is that you've gotten a lot better at basing miniatures.

Basing up from 25 to 32? The rules straight up say you can use whatever your model came with.

Rebasing square to round in a game where bases explicitly don't matter? You're a bandwaggoning dipshit.

>>52124032
Marines should have always had Custodes stats/size from the beginning.

>>52124108
>>52124110
Yes!
As I said, we had to do it with terminators, why salty about doing it with marines? Why do you think they tooled 60 32mm bases for £20?

Of course you can keep the 25mm for display or if your group gives no fucks about it!

>>52124159
>As I said, we had to do it with terminators
lol

So I have like 40-50 beaky helmets, which chapter is most known for using them?

>>52124167
Yeah been playing this game that long!!

>>52124145
Maybe, but the 40k tabletop hasn't been designed to accurately represent fluff for the longest time now. If we were to actually do fluff properly then there'd be all sorts of mix-ups, Space Marines would probably be WS/BS5, W2 with FnP 6+ or something, while conversely Crisis Suits would be upped to BS4 and Orkz would get FnP 6+ for free.

Not particularly good for cohesiveness and it's probably not something GW would ever do.

>>52124100
But you're not getting it for free, are you?

>>52124143
I thought this too but then a guy I played against gave me the idea that you can use a clippers to snip off the lip of old bases and then file down the bottom to stick it on top of a 32mm, if you do it right and repeat the basing right you can rebase your mini without having to rebase your mini. Im gonna do it because I VASTLY prefer marines on 32mm- again though, thats just my preferece, both are entirely legal.

Which variants of the BanehammershadowHellsword are worth the money and points?

>>52124118
>WS4, A2 and a pistol+CCW
>a pistol that's assault 5 shred
no thanks

>meme taurox rules
>no chimera DT
m8

>>52124108
>I have to rebase all my old marines for them to be legal?
you don't, but the larger bases do look nicer

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>putting that knight model with them

>>52123497
>nids
>WAACs
As a nid player I wish they were OP like that instead of trash tier thanks to Cruddance.

>>52124171
They're named after the Raven Guard primarch

So what's the best HQ to lead a Sekhmet Conclave? Excluding Magnus and Ahriman because fuck their point costs

>>52124066
Fireblades being WS4 is pretty stupid.

>>52124225
I agree, WS3, BS4 would make more sense from a fluff perspective, but I'd be willing to let them have BS5 for balance purposes (after all, if we go pure fluff then there's no reason for them to have W2 either, it's more balance than anything.)

>>52123967
Hmm, good idea but I don't want to overdo it with too many options and make it the usual homebrew snowflake unit.

>>52124223
isn't your only other option a generic sorcerer?

the autists over on dakkadakka are having a fit over if the thing is real or not

>>52124159
You can keep the 25mm for legal gameplay too, because a ton of marine kits still come with them and GW has explicitly stated several times its whichever you prefer.

>>52124181
The issue isnt that marine need to be downgraded, its that other armies need their troops penalized.
The issue with 40k is everything is a space marine in its stats before it isnt. Remember 40k started with space marines, who had 4's across their statline, and orks who also had 4s across their statlines. We've been slowly shifting away from that since, but stats still how the setting works since marines are the most common army.

>>52124187
Shadowsword.
Dont you want the D?

>>52124219
>Cruddance gives nid players a decently poweerfu codex and fixes how broken and OP the 4th ed codex
>Ever faggot WAAC nid player throws a bitch fit over him for the next seven years.

>>52124245

>If we go pure fluff then there's no reason for them to have W2

Extra wounds for characters represent plot armour.

A Captain isn't three times as durable as a sergeant, he just has being a character on his side.

>>52124118
Without AP3 on base guns you don't even have a shot at an alpha strike.

>>52124194
>Chimera

Speshul forces shouldn't deploy in a tank.

Is it worth giving SoS flamers? I'm thinking about using the flamers at came with mine for conversions because I was going to arm the SoS with the swords.

>>52124264
Ive got Daemon Prince, exalted sorcerer too. Last time I played I had a terminator armored sorcerer, but there has to be a better way.

>>52124304
spetsnatz used the BMP
space spetsnatz obviously use the space BMP

you are a dumb

>>52124314
oh, right

stacking toughness on the prince might be fun? But you're still sinking a lot into those terminators.

>>52124301
Have you used Scions? Even with AP3, you've essentially just got a short-ranged lasgun, shooting against MEQs (who are the only ones your AP3 is relevant against) a full unit of 10 Scions rapid firing (so within assault range with their WS3/S3/T3/I3 statline) will kill on average about 4 models.

Two of them can take plasma rifles, which might bump up that kill average by 1, but at the risk of rapid firing with a Gets Hot weapon, which isn't as survivable with a 4+ save.

Only way you're pulling off an alpha strike is attempting to deep strike multiple (very expensive and fragile) squads within 12" of a single unit.

>>52124182

True, but patience is the way

>>52124328
Rarely. They generally use lighter vehicles which are closer to the Taurox.

Russians air drop everything too. Call me when the IG have rules for deepstriking Leman Russes and Baneblades.

they should

>>52124020
You have a lack of bodies. I know a guy who plays Minotaurs and he favours them in higher points games, you're liable to get destroyed at lower points values.

>>52124361
Orders are what's intended to make them killy,but in reality they can never recieve orders because fffstupid 12" range only and vox doesn't affect that range. So your operators deep striking all over the map from eachother will never benefit from them.

>>52124388

Wasn't that part of the elysian drop troops army list that was published once? the russes anyway.

What would happen if Matt Ward was replaced with Greg Farshtey?

Would the Necrons actually become menacing?

>>52124070
No leak has stated this. It's just new wargear for 8th as far as I'm concerned.

>>52124388
>Rarely.
but they do use it. More importantly it's an option in the IG book. No reason not to give it to the solo forces as well.

also senior officer stormtrooper when
voxes giving unlimited range when
option to infiltrate instead of deep strike again when
pistols returned wheeeeen
those are my only real gripes with the unit

>>52123339
Robo has soulblaze and is fearless right? So doesn't that mean he can't touch an Avatar of Kaine in melee?

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I'm kind of new, what would you guys ally with this to get to 1850?

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>>52124399
Wouldn't surprise me.

I mean, they've got grav-chute technology they can apparantly mass produce, no reason you couldn't just strap a whole load of them to something and roll it out the back of a dropship.

If you can do with with a BMP-2 and a few hundred square metres of silk, surely you can do it with anti-grav technology.

>>52124431
Yep. And it's hilarious. Ynnead can't either, for that matter.
Soulblaze: Gain a single bolter hit, lose the ability to hurt AoK. Oddly enough, that rule is probably actively detrimental.

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>>52124394

Yeah that was really the problem I was trying t figure out a way to address. I guess I could drop the Cataphractii below 1500 and add another unit of Scouts and another Tactical squad, do you think that would be enough to cover it?

>>52123591

I wonder if the blacked out part is a back banner or something that would spoil stuff like the chapter

>>52124463
I'd recommend at least one more tactical squad. Maybe a drop dread too? You need something to draw shots from your small number of dudes.

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>>52123339
>literally the muhreen equivalent of 'you gunna eat that?'

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>>52124427
I just use nothing but Command Squads, then they give themselves orders.

Statistically, they're more lethal and the only downside is they're limited to 5-man squads. Multiple 5-man rather than a few 10-man squads is the best way to use stormtroopers anyway, and Ld 9 rather than Ld 8 helps to off-set the low unit size.

I hope they update the codex/turn it into a supplement in 8th Ed tho.

>>52124497
>Thunder Warrior
>Fighting daemons

>>52124487

Alright I'll try to rewrite it to fit that in, thanks anon!

>>52124434
Anything with a lot of bodies. Skitarii maybe? Throw some Vanguard with calivers down.

>>52123440
Malachim Fast Assault Buggy
It is well known that heretics are a craven and cowardly lot; prone to trying to flee when confronted with the wrath of the Emperor’s faithful servants. Even before being broken, they skulk in shadows and hidden corners. Malachims, based on an STC for a rugged frontier transport, are invaluable in ferreting these cowards out of whatever corners they hide within. And when heretics dare to fight, they can provide a lightning-strike into an enemy’s flank; breaking their strides and leaving them vulnerable to the Emperor’s justice.

60 pts, BS4 11/10/10 2HP Fast vehicle, Scout, All Terrain Vehicle
Wargear: Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter, Searchlight
Options: May replace TL-Heavy Bolter with TL-Heavy Flamer or TL-Multimelta - free
May Exchange their Twin Linked Heavy Bolter for an Avenger Mega-Bolter; or an Inferno Cannon; or a Melta Cannon - +5 pts
May be equipped with Smoke Launchers, Laud Hailers, or Simulicrum Imperialis for the standard costs

All Terrain Vehicle: This vehicle may re-roll any failed difficult or dangerous terrain check.

May take up to 2 additional Malachim Assault Buggies - 60 pts each
(Avenger Mega Bolter: 36" S5 AP4 Heavy 5)

>>52124499
a hind d?

>>52124513
And because I'm dumb and didn't check my copypasta; unit for Sisters and it's a Fast Attack choice

>>52124452
That is most amusing. I just heard some eldar player talk about it

>>52124511
The Moloc deathstar is basically your saving grace, so I would try not to hamper that too much. Maybe cut the vanguard vets.

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How many of you have been raped by a tau player?

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>>52124508
we all fight daemons anons

>>52124535

If I cut the Vanguard Vets I could only replace them with a single squad of Tacticals. But they could also be replaced by a second Scout Squad and (if the Land Speeders are consolidated into 1 unit) an Assault Squad with melta bombs and jet packs. Maybe that would be better. I'd rather keep the Grav Cents for now solely because I have an idea for how to convert them to be more minotaurs-y lel

>>52124519
Front part is from a 1/48 Hind model yah

>>52124434
Shove a bunch of Skitarii Vanguard in there.

They're cheap for what they do and great at mopping up infantry blobs that might try to tarpit your knights. Fits the fluff too.

>>52124577
That sounds good to me anon, the end result is a few more bodies and assaults aren't a huge downgrade from vanguard vets anyway.

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>>52123713
A guy in the previous thread recognised the parts it was kitbashed from

>1- The head is the Devastator Centurion Sergeant.
>2- The "pip" is the Deathwatch Watch Master's Clavis.
>The embellishments have been scratched away/greenstuffed away.
>3- The boltgun is a mish-mash of a regular boltgun with several bits from the Magos Dominus' weapon.

his post:
>>52122002

>>52124118
Hot-shot lasguns should be assault 2 rather than rapid fire, that's all that needs to change.

>>52124640
but those are all wrong

>>52124066
You're assuming that's all just skill
Knowing tau they are augmented with internal AI targeting computers linked to multiple off field drones etc which is why their 'skill' is higher

So I'm putting together a Grand Convocation list at 1850 for a slow grow with two friends but have hit a snag, I can either fit a ten man squad of rangers in with some widgets for my dominus or two dragoons and a dunecrawler.

Also how effective are dragoons? I really like them aesthetically but really light assault walkers seem like a bad idea in the current edition.

>>52124640
>what are common CAD elements

>>52124653
They murder MCs and middling HQs. I run three of them. The major downside is that the mini costs so fucking much compared to its actual points value.

was it ever explained how did geneseed was made back when primarchs were around?

I mean with Guilliman back they could implement his recruitment programs again and bam 200k Ultras running around

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>>52123713
Kitbash.

If they're going to do super-marines, they'll make them look suitable different from regular marines to induce sales.

If the only difference is a slight height increase, people will just proxy them with existing marine models they already have.

>>52124679
The Primarch jacked off into a sock.

>>52124640
And he was wrong.

>>52124682
Nah. Super Marines will look very close to regular Marines because regualr Marines are very iconic to the franchise.

>>52124679
So I guess Codex restrictions are back off?

>>52124508
It says marines malevolent in the title and he has the zmblem ya dingus.

Just because he has thunderbolts on his armor doesn't mean he's a thunder warrior.

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>>52124640
>Doesnt mention the kneepads

>>52124648
>>52124707
I can't tell, I've never closely looked at any of those bits and the picture isn't great

>>52124653
They work fine, their Incense Cloud rule means they have a 5+ cover save at all times and they hit pretty hard.

>>52124717
with Guilliman going full "WE HAVE TO TAKE THE FIGHT BACK" I'm sure it will

>GS4 - Conclave of the Legions
>When Guilliman orders the legions to resurface once again Chapters from every corner of the galaxy gather at Nikaea to reform what was once divided, long lost brothers reunite and old cousins discover their true home

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>>52124717
>No one man should ever again wield the power of a Space Marine legion!
>Except me.

So wise.

>>52124708
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they're retain the iconic look, I just don't expect them to look like anything that could be confused for a kitbash of existing marine models.

>>52124640
>no green on the model
>greenstuffed away

Didn't even hit the ankle armor let alone knees or the unique chestpiece

>>52124751
With how geneseed has been dispersed in subsequent foundings since the 2nd, that'll mean the Ultramarines will have a legion of about 800k and everyone else will have 10k-20k at best.

>>52124802
Just as planned...

>>52124802
if we go by the official aprox of 1000 chapters +/- 200 ultra obscure ones there should be 1.2M marines
however there's several undermanned chapters so at least 1M with >60% of UM or DA ascendency

Cant wait for all the imperium to get squatted into one codex
Way to many meme armies

>>52124758
>Let's all calm down and reduce our power and influence in case we get into fights
>All my brothers are missing or dead. Guess I need to take over and fix this shit.

If the imperium wasn't astoundingly inept on its own or his brothers were still around and he tried this shit then it'd be questionable, but there's few other option at this point.

>>52124122
I play tournaments on 25 mm bases, because the rules state that you use whatever bases the minis came with.

>>52124758
I never actually understood this, successor chapters all still revere their primarchs and would be heavily influenced by them. It's not like it'd be THAT much harder for a primarch to turn all their successors if they themselves turned.

>>52124768
only retards are confusing it

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>>52124850
>making excuses for Grillrow's hypocrisy and obvious ambition

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>sigmared in like 90 days
Please dont fuck my army

>>52124846
>Cant wait for all the imperium to get squatted into one codex

Never going to happen.

>>52124895
>doesn't want the Imperium to fracture with Chaos fucking everywhere
>obvious ambition

>>52124802
>>52124832
Ultramarines make up atleast two thirds of marine chapters.
So all Ultramarines would be around 667,000 Marines.

Does anybody happen to have the Forgeworld Great Unclean One instructions that they wouldn't mind posting?

>>52124055
Nah my army always wins people suck, I'd just like the playing field to be level so it comes down to skill and planning a head that gets the win. So in short yeah I want nids buffed but only to the same level as everyone else.

Here's how you fix every army:

>turn them all into cute girls

>>52124915
>father wishes that the Astartes simply be a military force and have no political power
>shows up out of nowhere
>oi gitz I'ze da biggest so nowz I'mz da boss 'ere's da plan get more boyz and dakka even dho yooze've been gettin' as many gitz n' gunz az yooze can fa ten fouznd yeerz

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Finished building some more Deathwatch.

3 squads of 5 and a Librarian that will all get cleaned and based soon.

After that is a Corvus Blackstar, Ven Dread, Caprain Artemis, and 10 more Veterans.

>>52124758

Look here you git

10+ Primarchs, all wielding legions = OH SHIT HERESY CIVIL WAR

Break up legion, time passes

10,000 years later, hey, chapters aren't doing too good but we're hanging in there for 10k years. But now it's even worse than it ever was before due to Cadia falling. If only we had the legions back. But I guess since there's only ONE LOYAL PRIMARCH alive we should totally not bring them back because the heresy civil war might happen again right!

RIGHT

THE ONLY FUCKING REASON the legions were broken was to prevent something THAT CANNOT CURRENTLY HAPPEN

>>52124954
theres literally 3 pieces, what the hell do you need instructions for

>>52124956

He's right you know

>>52124959
The same father that wanted to push the imperial truth? The one who is now revered as a god? The result of Astartes staying out of politics hasn't been a successful one, whether by normal standards or Big E's intentions

>>52124991
You forgot your Morgan freeman meme

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>>52124512
>>52124610
Would you take this configuration or with an omniCaliver squad and the rest omniArc totaling 4 squads

>>52124977
Unless the power goes to his head which was exactly the scenario he wanted to avoid? The point was to protect the Imperium from the Astartes not the Primarchs.

>>52125021

How the fuck will the power go to his head when HE WAS ALREADY LORD COMMANDER OF THE IMPERIUM AFTER THE HERESY AND A COMMANDER OF A LEGION DURING

>>52125001
>The result of Astartes staying out of politics hasn't been a successful one, whether by normal standards or Big E's intentions

That things currently aren't good doesn't mean that they couldn't have ended up far worse, especially when the guy in charge is quite prescient.

>>52125008
Cut it down to 2-3 Vanguard squads with calivers and take a few Onagers or something.

>>52124975
>Finished building

>all those sprue bitz still sticking out
>all those moldlines
>undrilled barrels
Work on all that and use less glue. The mohawk marine second to the left has WAY to much glue on his helmet. You're going to drown/melt detail if you keep using that much glue.

>>52124985
I ordered one from Russia and the tongue broke on the way over here. Also some of the pieces have sprues, some don't so I need to know how whether I need to cut some pieces or not

>>52125053
He literally said he was going to clean and base them, you incompetent moron

>>52125063

You're missing the point dumbass. Guilliman was already in control of the entire Imperium in the past and didn't let it get to his head.

>>52125031
Gee can't think of anyone else who was in a similar situation and turned.

OH WAIT NO HORUS DID. HORUS TURNED DESPITE BEING THE BIG POOBAH AND THE ONE WHO LOVED HIS FATHER THE MOST BECAUSE ALL HUMANS ARE FALLIBLE AND GIVING ANY ONE OF THEM THE KIND OF OVERWHELMING POWER PROVIDED BY A LEGION WAS WHAT SPLITTING THEM UP PREVENTED.

>>52124904
u are lucky
please unfuck mine (DE, Orks)
they are borderline unplayable

>>52125078
Oh so only he can be trusted? Only he is infallible? This is why people don't like Ultramarines and Ultramarines players.

>>52125082
>primarchs
>human

Literally every single time they're mentioned the text goes to great length to point out that they're beyond human. Let alone normal Astartes already not being human.

All the morons who keep saying Guilliman is going to become power hungry are fucking idiots and don't know anything about the lore's history, or have only read the BL novels where Guilliman is a faggot.

We even have a poster where Guilliman talks about how disgusting the Imperium is and he literally says everyone would be better off dead. Yeah, that totally sounds like an empire he wants to take over. Fucking idiot.

>>52125107

He is literally the sole reason the Imperium still exists, so yeah, dumbass. Did Guilliman betray the Emperor? No. Did Guilliman's "Dauntless Few" Primarch candidates betray the Emperor? No.

Guilliman is smarter and a better judge of character than you, dumbass. And I'm not even an Ultrafag. You're just a fucking retard and Ultrahater.

If you want to make an argument, back it up. You have no proof, no logic, and no examples. Meanwhile everything else points to you being wrong about Guilliman.

>>52125107
horus was weak
horus was a fool
horus should have stayed in school

>>52123411
The fuck is happening in that picture?

>>52125044
This.

Or add in some Infiltrators and hide them behind your Skitarii for hilarious combined debuffing on anything that tries to charge the vanguard.

>tfw muhreens players discover their units are now WS3, T3, I3 and LD7/8

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>>52125044
It's 30 points a caliver and 90 an onager without the icarus array, with the crusader I have atleast one form of anti air, the onager providing a target for middling strength weapons where they'd have no benefit fired elsewhere.
Are arc rifles just not advisable?

>>52125107
>Guilliman will go power hungry if he controls everything!
>Uh, he already controlled everything after the Herery
>OH SO ONLY GUILLIMAN IS TRUSTWORTHY FUCKING ULTRAFAGS REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

kys faggot

Imperium wouldn't even exist without Guilliman

>>52123552
Make your rhinos dedicated transports so that they don't waste FA slots (which you're currently using 4 of for some reason).

The boltguns are not worth taking Noise Marines for, drop the random CSM squad and give them all sonic blasters, it's well worth the 3 points a model.

You'll also have points to spare to give those chosen 3 more dudes and an Icon of Excess which will help your Sorcerer survive (I assume he's riding along with them as I don't see where else).

You could also consider dropping their rhino and giving him a steed, that way they could outflank in. This could be especially deadly if you bring the extra 2 melta guns you're allowed.

>>52125132
White People.

>>52124977
The problem wasn't civil war, the problem was 9-11 primarchs going to chaos. Had all the Emperor's military assets turned to chaos there would have been no civil war, but that wouldn't be a good thing, it'd just be game fucking over So they split the legions into chapters so that a dozen guys turning traitor all at once wouldn't mean half the marines are now trying to tear the place down.

So re-uniting the astartes under a single primarch would be an even worse idea than the original legions, because now all it takes is a single guy growing some horns and suddenly every marine is trying to rip apart the mortal realm. It might not mean civil war for very long, but once again, that's a bad thing, because the lack of a war is due to you having lost, and now your soul will suffer every possible and impossible agony for all eternity.

>>52125129
>Did Guilliman betray the Emperor?

*cough*ImperiumSecundus*cough*

>>52123379
Depends on the meta. Do you have more 3+ save armies or 4+ save armies?

Do you want to crack bawkses or kill infantry?

Do you have stuff to buff your strength or no?

>>52125132
Looks like some Homestuck cosplay.

>>52125031
I've run marathons.

Doesn't mean I could run around the world.

Rowboat ruled for a short while without getting funny ideas. Doing it for a few millennia might.

>>52125082
If Dorn or Lion were the one to come back and wanted to seize control it'd make sense too, because shit is fucked and they need to fix it.

With creed in a pokeball, pylons destroyed and abaddon coming if rowboat falls to chaos the imperium is fucked at this point whether he's lord commander or a chapter master.

Better to have him in a position where he can command and try to save shit than just roll over

>>52125142
Frankly I don't use plascals on anything but my warlord's squad since the assault 3 gets hot seems to make it too risky without rerolls and they're expensive as fuck to buy in the first place.

I either use no special weapons and just rely on massed rad carbine fire, which is more effective than you'd think, or if I'm facing a lot of armour, lots of arc rifles, which are both cheap(er) and pretty versatile.

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>>52123591
>>52123772
>It's either a remarkably good kitbash that plausibly looks like it could be Mark nine armour

The parts seem to be all from the devastator squad kit, well apart from the head.

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>>52123370

>>52125224
Legs are new.

Also

>copy paste in CAD

>>52123339
For a moment, I thought I saw Angry Marines.

>>52125072
If you haven't cleaned your models, you aren't "finished" building them.
>I've finished these models guys! All I have left to do is remove them from the sprue, glue them together, and clean them up!

>>52124066
Balance.

>>52125237
They're pretty clearly just regular marine legs with Stormcast Eternal kneepads pinned into the knees.

Fill in the blanks:

>Space Marines - Primarchs
>Chaos - Daemon Primarch
>Eldar - God
>Imperium - Daemon Angel
>Tau - ???
>Orks - ???
>Nids - ???
>Necrons - ???

Hard mode: No Black Library fan wank

>>52125240
Plus OP said 'Best chapter'.
OP IS A LYING FAGGOT!

>>52125275
big suit
big ork
big nid
c'tan

done, where's my cheque GW

Have GotS Rise of Primarch epub been posted?

>>52125290
>inb4 next edition there's a suit that's bigger than the stormsurge piloted by an ethereal
Gee thanks anon

>>52125145
>>Uh, he already controlled everything after the Herery
But was stabbed by Fulgrim

>you will never sexually satisfy dark eldar women

>>52125326
maybe you'll get an aun'shi suit
or even better, aun'shi on the space pope mobile

>>52125275
Tau - Warp Powered Commander Farsight/Shadowsun
Orks - Ghazakul becomes The Beast 2.0
Nids - Elite nids that aren't "scout fleet" or something. Maybe a super controller type zoanthrope that has adapted to fighiting daemons and chaos.
Necrons - C'Tan fully reborn/Void Dragon
Mechanicus - Almost completed STC mega robot (or an Iron Men remnant)

>>52123480
Looks alright to me. Good job for not taking bikes - the fluff abomination

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>>52125204
Would you drop the calivers altogether here? I feel like everything skitarii can just get ignores cover templated off the board most times. Would it be best to just go 6 squads of omni vanguard or 3 specialized vanguard squads and sicarian?

>>52125386
Tau — battlesuit commanders combine into one megasuit. O'Shova and his Eight can form a different version

>>52124399
No drop sentinels only and the electric car

>Cypher arrived on Terra
>busted
>escaped

End Times 40k delayed.
Move along.

>>52125423
Like the giant battlesuits from Pacific Rim except with more people?

>>52125451
Pacific Rim, Power Rangers

>>52125132
The black guy gets to experience what normal white people feel when they see blacks.

Do we have Rise of the Primarch epub yet?

Currently converting an Archon on Jetbike to celebrate my gangs victory in our 4 player "campaign".
Seeing as Archons don't get to ride Jetbikes, I made up some rules. Points cost is conservative but still playable. Going to run him by my mates next WE but maybe you have some ideas?

Archon of the Black Talon - 175 pts

WS7 BS7 S3 T4 W3 I7 A4 LD10 SV5+

Unit Type: Dark Eldar Jetbike (Independent Character)

Warlord Trait:

*Hatred Eternal

Wargear:

*Soulhunter Glaive (Melee/S:User/AP:3/Rending, Poisoned 2+)
*Splinter Pistol
*Shadow Field
*Reaver Jetbike with Splinter Cannon
*Wychsuit

Special Rules:

*Combat Drugs
*Hit&Run
*Night Vision
*Power from Pain
*Skilled Rider

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>>52125224
>>52123591
The chest piece on the megamarine is different from the Mark 8 chestpeices we have got so far though. Look at how the actual ribcage/pectoral parts jut out in the same way it does on Guilliman.
Not only that, but look at the data pad on the arm. While it's "similar" to the data pad present on the Deathwatch Mark 8 armor, it's on the wrong side (the photo is not flipped as Demolition Man is facing the correct way) for it to be a bitz swap.
In addition, it also has numerous other parts that make me want to believe it's real. The reinforced armor on the front of foot is something we haven't seen before (at least in this way), the stabilizers on the ankle suggest that it's a Mark of armor post-8, the armor blades on the kneecap that function in a way similar to the curved gorget of Mark 8, and the reinforced/altered undersuit and coms system you can see on his neckline all point to it being authentic.

The guns don't really indicate anything to me. They both look very similar to some Skitarii designs (the drum on the rifle in particular being very reminiscent of the Arc Rifle's drum), but that could be because they were designed by Cawl. I really can't say.

>>52125400
>fluff
>not just salty CSM actually get something fucking good for once

>loyalist marines get hit with a plague, Nurgle doesn't like them because they're on motorcycles and melts them instead
I truly do not see that happening

>>52125261
>>52125224
Its pretty clear they are not. Why are you trying so hard to be wrong?

The model is simply too clean for naked plastic to be a kitbash that would require cutting, pinning, and filling while leaving no evidence. If someone is able to reproduce that "kitbash" with all details matching I'll eat my hat.

>>52125408

Personally I would build MSU rather than max out the squads. I would also consider rangers, because the increase in range is nice, especially considering how easily your squads get erased.

I have rise of primarch epub, but i don't know if it was already posted.
So do we have GoS 3 link or no?

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games workshop shows up at your front door and tells you that you've been chosen to add 3 more factions into the warhammer setting for the 42nd millennium.

Here are the caveats:
1. One faction at least must be an existing group already mentioned once in lore. Iron Men, Slaan, Demiurge, Megarachnids, or Rak, Gol
2. One faction at least must be completely new, but must be able to somehow fit into the setting. Either a new galactic invader or and awakening or lived in undiscovered space.

>>52125495
>super grainy photo
>nah dudes it's so clean

Would it be alright if I used a regular plastic SM Librarian as Tigurius? Tigurius's model looks like a dumpster fire.

>The same thing occurred in three more encampments along the offensive’s stalled front. Wherever Roboute Guilliman walked, the Sorrow was driven out and the mites that spread it died until they piled up in black drifts. The medicae and Apothecaries were at a loss, but the Ecclesiarchy were quick to declare the phenomenon miraculous. It was the Emperor’s mercy, they bellowed, brandishing their aquilas, and it shone from His son as healing light

>So began long weeks of relentless pilgrimage for Guilliman, as he rushed from one site of sickness to another. The Primarch knew that while he was engaged in healing his followers, his attentions were drawn away from the wider war. Yet of all the Emperor’s sons, Guilliman was perhaps the most human, and his compassion would not allow him to
ignore his followers’ plight if he could heal them.

GW please

>>52125366
>But was stabbed by Fulgrim
But was stabbed by Fulgrim after the Horus Heresy, during the Great Scouring.

>>52125408
I like having the sicarians hanging around just to deter charges. The combination of debuffs and the obscene number of attacks taser infiltrators can unload makes it difficult for assault units, which is where the vanguard are weakest, since they'll outshoot most other things at close range.

But with three knights, one of the big weaknesses of that list would be it's low model count, one unlucky turn and you could lose a huge chunk of your army. If you can get six squads into it, you're bulking it out quite a lot. Plus they're useful for grabbing objectives.

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>>52123371

>STRIKE THE EARTH

>>52125275
Ghazzy and Primeorks.

>>52125488
Torso is a Devastator sergeant, as is the right arm.

>>52125480
copy the points cost of the craftworld eldar jetbike upgrades for their characters

bing bang done

>>52124286
>4th ed Nid book
>OP
>calling Nid players WAAC

So what's it like to know that no-one likes you, Cruddace? Also, that basically everybody thinks the Space 0din fandex is better than yours?

Thought about ending it all yet? Can't say I'd blame you.

>>52124215
>40K fans this is your mindset.jpg

Die you fucking Thomasfag

>>52125529
>But was stabbed by Fulgrim after the Horus Heresy, during the Great Scouring.
yeah that's was the point, he was stabbed before his power hugry showed at full, but we also seen this with Imperium Secundus

>>52124434
Unless I;m mistaken, the knights are illegal; you have to have more GW knights than FW knights. Otherwise, you either want lots of cheap bodies to flood the board or take objectives; guard or Skitarii are good for it.

>Tempestus Command Squads can only give orders within 12"

What is this, the 18th century? Are they using fucking flag signals?

>space marines 2.0 aren't real
>99% accurate rumormonger posts about them
>whatever he doesn't have pics
>pics are posted
>whatever it's fake

It's happening fags, prepare your astartes anusii

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>>52123370
They have never ruled the galaxy.

>>52125602
>Are they using fucking flag signals?

Not only would this be grimdark as fuck, they do have a giant fucking banner on a pole.

>>52125602
they're yelling very loudly
despite all the communications gear, radio aerials on every soldier's backpack and cameras transmitting everything each individual soldier sees to his commanding officer in real time

because ffffffuck you
voxes might actually be worth the points if they let orders bypass the range limit

>>52124975
You're nowhere near finished building them, mate. Would you not take care of sprue nubs and mould-lines before you assemble? It makes assembly and painting a lot easier.

>>52125595
You can't have more of any one FW knight than you have of the regular ones, but one of each is fine.

>>52125568
Definitely not the torso, no. Just look a little harder, it's completely different.

>>52125510
Would you get omni for each squad? How about arquebus for wyvern popping?
>>52125536
That's what I was thinking while comparing, 3 squads even maxed feels like a wash really.

>>52125568
>Torso is a Devastator sergeant

Ahahahah you're stupid as fuck

no marine torso has angled pecs like that except Custodes and FW Dark Furies. BA have rounded sculpted pecs and your supposed mk 8 devastator chest is just a fucking round barrel chestplate like all normal marines.

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4 chan anons as useless as some countries governments.

Age of Bobby approaching in epub. http://www114.zippyshare.com/v/3wnUssa1/file.html

>>52125523
>completely different chest with angled, lower caller, giant neck opening, and angled chest
>nah dudes it's just a regular mk 8 torso

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>>52125516
1. Malice Daemonkin, the Adeptus Arbites, the Dark Mechanicus, the Lost/Forgotten Primarchs, or the Harrowing
2. Megamarines :^D In all seriousness though I'll go with the things the Tyranids are running from

>>52125568
r u blind, retarded, or just b8ing?

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How does this look?

>>52125516

Non-Chaos Renegade Marines
Xenos-allied Renegade Marines
Brand new never seen before Space Marines

I'll be expecting my paycheck in the mail, GW.

>>52125602
At least you only ever give orders to the Command Squad anyways.

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>>52125275
>Necrons

THE SETEKH! HE HUNGERS FOR YOUR DESTRUCTION!.

>Tau

Some sort Ethereal suit/tank, like a pope-mobile or a special suit for an AI copy of Puretide.

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>>52125516
Faction 1: Exodites. I want my lazer-elf dinosaur riders NOW.

Faction 2: Alien Mercenaries Codex that is Battle Brothers with Tau, AoC with all others except Daemons and Nids. Features many Xenos like the Demiurg, Nicassar, Rak'gol, Galg, Expanded Kroot units, and the Khrave.

Faction 3: This one's pretty fucking tough...I don't want to make an OCDONUTSTEEL faction, so I'll pick to revamp an existing faction. Slaanesh Daemons become more beautiful a-la Sigvald from fantasy. Among the ugliness of Chaos, Slaanesh's desire for excess also becomes a desire for perfection in all things, beauty, combat, etc. Either that or Malal Daemons. Because Malal is a cool guy, fights other Chaos Gods and doesn't afraid of anything.

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Made my first Iron Hands list. I've played a grand total of 2 games of Kill Team, so I'm about as green as can be -- would appreciate some thoughts.

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>>52125648
love you, anon

>>52125516
Hrud
Malal/undivided pantheon
A mini old one, that is not C'tan strong and in enough numbers to be an army as a parallel to C'tan

>>52125631
>tfw I used to scrape moldlines and cut off nubs as best I could but would still be left with nub scars or stubborn moldlines/overscraped smooth patches
>tfw now I have good files and skinny sanding sticks and have deliciously smooth models from tons of careful sanding

Can't wait to paint these up.

>>52125623
I was liking stormies for sneaky-spec-ops-not-guard-straightforwarded-idiotism, but now there different-guard-with-some-spec-ops.

>>52125648
thank you based anon

>Actively attempting to disenfranchise the playerbase that makes up literally half your customers.

Sasuga GW.

>>52125756
What are you gibbering about, Anon?

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>>52125648

>>52125684
>Celestine and Seraphim
RAW they won't be able to use their Act of Faith if she joins them. It's stupid, but that's GW's rules for ya. Otherwise it's fine. I'd pair her up with a T4 unit with 3 or more models to get her effective T4 though.
>Greyfax
She's shit anon.
>Jacobus and a SoBlob
Can work, though in 7E big units get rekt, even with his banner. If you don't plan on giving him warlord (which you shouldn't in your list's case), I'd drop him.
>Melta Dominions in Immolators
Perfectly fine
>Valk Squadron
Eeeeh, vehicles squadrons suck. I'd take them all separately
>Scions
Take them in the Hellrain Formation or not at all. They're pretty sub-par otherwise.
>Vindicaire
Can work ok.

Overall, decent enough for casual play, but has a lot of problems if you're trying to minmax.

>>52125648
Was about to start shouting nice troll, but after geting around the ads aids it turned out to be the real thing. Thanks dude.

>>52125756

If it turns out these new marines are basically just better marks of armor, it's not really disenfranchising. Might as well call Grey Knights or Deathwatch or Custodes disenfranchising marines.

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>>52123534
>Spawn arent good

>>52125630
That's how vox casters SHOULD work.

8th edition/Age of Guilliman can't come soon enough.

So I've taken a break since 5th where I played Undivided CSM and decided to get back into the game for 8th and have narrowed my army choices down to a Khorne marines/Renegade Guard/Renegade knight list, a Deathwatch/Ordo Xenos Inquisitor/Inquisitional Stormtrooper/SM flyer wing list for operatoring or a mostly Skitarii Grand Convocation list pls help.

My friends are trying to cajole me away from Chaos because I've done it before but it's the faction I like the most and the two guys I'd mostly be playing are playing a scumfuck tau list and an IG list.

>>52125648

>Zippyshare

One lot of malware is enough thank you.

>>52125800
>one pop-up
>ads aids

kids these days, so entitled.

>>52124537
no tau no problem, though my buddy wants to start one, but he knows how boring gunline is, so maybe he won't utilize it as much

>>52125824
Don't worry, I scanned the file with Norton, it's 100% free of viruses

>>52125592
>but we also seen this with Imperium Secundus
The thing he made because he thought the Imperium had fallen, and even then he made sure to appoint one of his loyal brothers as the new leader rather than himself?

>>52125400
nurgle bikers make more sense than nurgle raptors.

>>52125824
So give me another page that don't require account.

>>52125824
The malware it tries to force on you is dodged easily enough.
Zippy is a hell of a lot better than almost everywhere else.

>>52123851

Me and a mate (I'm a long time admech player he's just started) were talking about a skitarii DT, you pretty much made exactly what we wanted.

Make it a walker with dunestrider for consitentcy though. I was thinking Onegar cabin and legs with a small open top platform out back (like a pick up truck)

>>52125833
For me it refused to start the download and instead kept opening ads in a new tab.

But then again where I live the rules around ads online are very generous, to the point where every youtube video and twitch stream becomes unwatchable without ad-block because there are ads every 3-5 min.

>>52125821
Sounds like you should just play Chaos. Fuck your friends, what do they know?

Given you're going to be the one painting and building the army, might as well pick something that engages you otherwise it just becomes a chore.

>>52125797

It's just for casual play. I'm not WAAC.

What do you guys think about allying some Khorne daemons to a NL Decurion? Would that first turn night fighting help the Letters and shit?

>>52125821
Play whatever YOU want, don't let anybody bully you into something you're not 100% behind. That's the fastest way to quit once more.

>>52123580

>take marines
>take any models from other armies you like
>chop up other minis
>spice to taste with skulls and lighting
>???
>Profit

But yeah, Raptor talon formation is your friend -4 Ld Fear tests!

>>52125872
Fair enough, I only got one with ABP.

>there are ads every 3-5 min.
>tfw oldfag and remember youtube without ads

>>52125821
Daemonkin are good, but you won't want many actual marines in there, just spamming cultists, Bloodletters, hounds and bikes or something.
Renegade guard is fun if you want to spam cheap artillery, otherwise they mostly suck, but they'd probably be decent as allies for knights yea.
Deathwatch is pretty overpriced, do some killteam or INQ28 for that instead.
Skitarii/Cult Mech is pretty good.

>>52125516
1. Hrud
2. I don't know

You said three so I will add a third for the hell of it:

Codex: Crusaders of The Imperium. SoB+Black Templars merged into one army. It would coincide with the release of updated, plastic kits for the Templars and SoB. It would satisfy the SoB' players' desire for an update, and return the flavor and sense of distinctiveness to the Templars that was lost when they were rolled into the SM codex in 6th.

It would allow each of the groups to be fielded separately (formations that were purely SoB or purely Templars), but would of course allow them to be fielded together.

SoB get updates, Templars are no longer the neglected redheaded stepchild they were in the Space Marine codex.

>>52125516
Drakons - Sci-Fi Lizardmen who use monstrous creatures instead of vehicles, strapping guns and such to dinosaurs (for land) and dragons (for air). They lived, undiscovered, for millennia. A prophet gets a vision of the Drakons devouring Eldar. Tau and Humans. Thus starts the Crusade of Flesh. They fight Tyrandis due to similar goals. They tend to ignore Necrons, since metal isn't as tasty as flesh.

It was a project I was working on back in 2009 as a conversion army for Tau but using Lizardmen and such. My mind was kinda weird back then.

No idea what to do for the other two.

>>52125524
No. I'd beat you with a sock full of pennies if you tried to pull that shit on me.

>>52125844
>The thing he made because he thought the Imperium had fallen,
Yeah and he didn't even try to knew what actually happanening outside Ultramar, because his mom's said that he should stay home.
>and even then he made sure to appoint one of his loyal brothers as the new leader rather than himself?
Yep since Sanguinios was nothing more than public figure, while Guilliman controlled Administratum.