EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>52112389
Unban biorhythm

>>52112481
ban craterhoof first

Add cyclonic rift
Take off worldfire

>>52112389
>What, if any, changes would you make to the ban list if you were put in charge of it today?
The "Banned as Commander" list is back
Emrakul is still regular banned though.
Prophet of Kruphix is Unbanned
Limited Resources is Unbanned
Primeval Titan is Unbanned
Sundering Titan is Unbanned
Sylvan Primordial is Unbanned

All these probably Banned again in 3-6 months but might as well try them out.

>>52112389
>What, if any, changes would you make to the ban list if you were put in charge of it today?
None. Things are fine right now.

And I can't wait for people to start calling for absolutely retarded bannings/unbannings in this thread. You've open a real can of worms here, OP

>>52112551
Nah, the list is shit. It's really incoherent. I wish they'd just remove it entirely so strangers I might want to play with won't be compelled to follow it.

They should either ban overpowered cards or be more hands-off. None of this "ban some power but leave shit like Mana Crypt legal because I own one," from Sheldon.

>>52112644
What would you ban/unban?

>inb4 Sol Ring

>>52112544
Worldfire just makes oloro players impossible to kill.

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>new EDH Group, second time playing with them
>player 1 goes: Oh, I'm only with my Commander for EDH Duel here, I hope you guys don't mind (Gaddock)
>player 1 goes Forest, Wordly Tutor, Rofellos
>wtf?
>Lightning Greaves Turn 2
>Roffelos, Equip Greaves, Tangle Wire.
>Before we can play our first turn without Tangle Wire, he was casting Craterhoof Behomoth on a board with 7~8 elves.

Okay, so I'm in clear disavantage here. I want to make an stupid EDH French list deck with dumb stuff like Balance. I'm thinking about Hanna, what else you guys recommend?

>>52112740
Mana crypt/vault.

>>52112809
Why didn't you just ignore him after he lost turn one?

>>52112546
>All these probably Banned again in 3-6 months but might as well try them out.
Thank god you're not in charge

I'd ban Emrakul but unban it as a commander.
Also ban demonic and vampiric tutor.

>>52112809
Rofellos is banned so tell him to get fucked

REMOVE DEADEYE NAVIGATOR remove deadeye navigator

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>>52112809
>The following cards are also banned from being played as a commander :

>Derevi, Empyrial Tactician.Edric, Spymaster of Trest.Erayo, Soratami Ascendant.Marath, Will of the Wild.Oloro, Ageless Ascetic.Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary.Tasigur, the Golden Fang.Yisan, the Wanderer Bard.

>Current banlistCartes actuellement bannies | Duel Commander

You were rused.

>>52112389
Obvious bans:
Sol ring, mana crypt, mana vault, Grim monolith.

Unban: Braids, Cabal Minion,

That's all. If you disagree you're a turboautist.

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>>52112389
unban everything

only crybaby bitchboys like banlists

>>52112389
unban everything
Ban island

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>>52112740
Honestly, I would probably all the cards that are restricted in Vintage/banned in Legacy. But that's only if I had to choose right now without knowing more. So yes, in after Sol Ring.

Banlists are for competitive formats, and are supposed to change a metagame to be more balanced. EDH, as it currently is, is designed to be a casual format, and as such, it doesn't need an official banlist. I think their philosophy is backwards. It shouldn't be "Play with these cards if you agree to do so." It should be "Ban whichever cards you deem necessary." The Rules Committee does a shit job of trying to balance power and fun, so I feel they should just fuck off at trying to do either.

Anyway, this is really only a problem because so many people are compelled to listen to Sheldon as opposed to thinking about what they want out of their games themselves.

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>>52112389

Unban:
Library of Alexandria
Painter's Servant
Sundering Titan
Trade Secrets
Worldfire

Ban:
Cyclonic Rift
Deadeye Navigator
Iona, Shield of Emeria
Mana Crypt
Mana Vault
Necropotence
Sol Ring

Bring back Ban as Commander but allowed in 99:
Braids, Cabal Minion
Derevi, Empyrial Tactician
Oloro, Ageless Ascetic

>>52112389
Ban Cyclonic Rift
Ban Paradox Engine
Ban Consecrated Sphinx
Ban Gaea's Cradle
Ban Iona, Shield of Emeria
Ban Tooth and Nail
Unban Biorhythm
Unban Sway the Stars

Opinions.

>>52113086
Good job driving up the price of snow-covered islands starcity jew.

>>52112809
>a new player at the LGS asks if he can play banned cards
>meta is pretty casual but then again he's new so we are on the fence
>he says it's nothing too degenerate or unfun
>he plays a t1 Braids on the first game

I didn't really care about bans until this happened

>>52113151
>Painter's Servant
So you want to get T3 grindstone'd?

>>52113151
also, because >>52113183 reminded me they exist

Ban:
Consecrated Sphinx
Gaea's Cradle
Paradox Engine
Tooth and Nail

>>52113113
>It doesn't need an official ban list

It doesn't have an official ban list. It has a suggested ban list that most people follow and they follow it because they recognize as bad as stupid shit like Doomsday combo is, it gets way more degenerate without the banned list.

>>52113151
>Unban library of alexandria
You're out of your fucking mind. Have you ever seen it in vintage? The entire game starts to revolve around that single land, unbanning it is absolutely retarded.

The library is more overpowered than every card you want to ban combined. Also, the fact that you'd ban Iona and Deadeye while unbanning the library shows me that you honestly have no idea what the power level of the library actually is.

>>52113183
Forgot to add:

Ban Necropotence
Ban Doomsday
Ban Hermit Druid
Ban Imperial Recruiter

Watch the tears roll in.

>>52113226
>It doesn't have an official ban list.

>>>http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php
>The following is the official banned list for commander games.

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>>52113198
>player uses 3+ cards to cast a 4 mana 2/2
>loses to their own smokestack
>threat gets removed and costs 6 maymays
>ok

Is your playgroup dumb or could you guys literally not beat it?

>>52113151
Can't beat 2 life a turn.
How's your shit son condition doing bro?

>>52113151
Oloro isn't even good in normal commander. The only issue with him is that you get value even if you never cast him but that's still weaker than having a commander that actively combo's with your deck like prossh.

>>52113332
>2 guarenteed life a turn from the start of the game, that has 0 interaction and the other players have 0 ability to stop in any way now that tucking isn't a thing, and even before when it was the Oloro player would just never cast him

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Anybody out there know some low-key dirty shit for this bad boy?

>>52113271
Sheldon has always said that the ban list is a recommended guideline and to house rule for the meta you want. It's official in so much as it's the recommended default settings for Commander. If one of the creators of the format is encouraging you to defy the list it's hard to argue it's official like WOTC ban list.

>>52113362
There are several cards that stop or even reverse lifegain.

>>52113362
Which still isn't that good. In a casual game you'll just die of commander damage or die by some enormous alpha strike memehoof play so the 20~ life you gained doesn't even matter.

In a competitive game you juat get combo'd to death.

Oloro is not even that good of a commander, there's a reason why nobody plays him at higher levels. If you can't deal with him you're bad.

>>52113368
Edhrec

He's been explored to death and solved.

>>52113388
>having to pack specific cards to counter a specific general
>even then, have to tutor them up because more than likely won't start with them in hand
>also, they're all mono or part Red, so if your deck doesn't include R good luck

>>52113399
>low powered metas means the players are bad
>the average game has someone knocked out by the 10th turn
>pillowfort.dec draws no pillowfort
>people who don't play the format my way are shitters

Oloro is overrated but you're being insufferable.

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>>52113368

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>>52113368
and

>>52113445
Nonbo with the best card for Nekusar

>>52113425
Lifegain is pretty common.
Also they are not just red but also black.
I mean, you are not completely wrong. Frankly speaking cards that directly mention commander specific mechanics were a mistake in my opinion.

>>52113473
How so? Most of the cards in Nekusar are wheels, so higher hand size = more cards to wheel yea? Plus it's added damage on top of Neku if they don't use a removal on it.

>>52113443
There's a reason for why mana crypt is such an amazing card. Losing 1.5 life a turn isn't a big deal, that's the reason. Conversely, gaining 2 life a turn isn't that good either.

And if your meta is so low powered you can't punch through 20-30 extra life then maybe stopy playing craw wurm.dec.

Also, the pillowfort cards are irrelevant, they have nothing to do with the strength of Oloro.

And I don't give a fuck how you play the format, you can eat your cards and shit them out in confetti form for all I care.

The person that has a problem with how others play the format is the idiot that wants to ban a mediocre commander like Oloro.

>>52113502
Nekusar has 10-15 wheels. Not all of them make you discard and giving someone no max hand when you have nekusar/howling mine/temple bell out doesn't play nice with Waste Not. It's neat though and a less tuned Nekusar deck could run it with some success.

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>>52112389
>>52113033
Wait, Braids is banned? What? Since when? She's literally shit.

I don't really understand why Griselbrand is banned either. Anyone who has ever played against him or as him knows it's extremely common to find him on the receiving end of a major ass whooping - and it's not like a CMC 8 is very cheap to get out. If by some chance you topdecked the exact right order of cards to get him out early you're still likely to find him simply countered. It's not like blue is an uncommon color in EDH.

>>52113523
>I don't give a fuck how you play the format
>stop playing crawwurm.dec

>>52113151
Holy shit
Never seen someone with such concentrated shit tier opions

Good job
>Muh deadeye
L2triggers
>Cyclonic rift
Who complains about this?
>World fire
Have you read this card?
I'm more surprised that anyone would want to play with it period
>Trade secrets
No way do you know what the meaning of King maker is?

>>52113561
Grisel is banned because "lol I pay 35+ life for that many cards"
Is essentially a black Enter the Infinite that, if allowed, would be recastable if killed because people'd run him as their commander.

>>52113033
Why is Tasigur banned as a commander in Duel Commander?

>>52113183
>Ban Cyclonic Rift
Waaaaah stop interacting with me!

>>52113362
>Life gain
Oh the horror!

>>52113589
>paraphrasing
If you don't want y don't do x.

>>52113561
t. Someone with a functional brain

>>52113603
One mana commander every time all the time in best colors. Fine when you have 3+ people to deal with it, not so much with 1v1 where you have to answer every threat along with a 1 mana 4/5 they play every turn.

>>52113597
>Deadeye
combo piece that you can't stop once out, and because lol Blue you can't stop even before its out because counters
>Cyclonic
the "strictly better Upheavel" card
>Worldfire
yes, and the fact that red is the objectively weakest color in EDH, and Decree of Annihilation isn't banned
>Trade Secrets
so don't take the bribe? just stop at "they draw 2 you draw 4"

>>52113368
Dreamalhalls
Don't cast him until you can wheel a couple times in a turn
Don't play shitty enchantments that draw opponents cards/deal damage.

>>52113561
>and it's not like a CMC 8 is very cheap to get out
>the exact right order of cards to get him out early
Holy fuck, have you never played a reanimation deck?

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>>52112389

It's that how you keep your commander, anon?

What happens if she gets hit by a Chaos Orb?

>>52113151
>unban Sundering Titan and Trade Secrets
>but ban Necropotence

You're one of those fags who plays shit like Painter Servant and goes "no guys, I totally use it with stuff other than grindstone, please stop focusing me:

>>52113597
>>World fire
>I'm more surprised that anyone would want to play with it period

It's an autowin with practically any flicker until EoT or other delayed trigger

>>52113600
>>52113682
I agree that in theory he can be terrifying, but I've only ever witnessed someone actually get him out onto the table once and by that point his player didn't have anywhere near 35 points of life to spend on drawing cards. You have to be genuinely retarded to sit down with any kind of monoblack player and allow them to abuse their life points.

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>>52112389
>What, if any, changes would you make to the ban list if you were put in charge of it today?

Fuck duel commander.
If you wanna make commander a competitive format, group contestants in cages of 4 people each: 4 men enter, one leaves. The Thunderdome.
Worried about being backstabbed/bully? Politics are a core part of commander, bitch.

>>52113719
Gutshot > Quicken > Worldfire for cheeky win

>>52113670
>>52113670
>you can't stop once out
>He forgot to learn how triggers work
>He thinks cyclonic rift bounces lands
>Don't take the bribe
>Expecting people to be smart
I mean based on your comments I wouldn't trust you anywhere near a ryhstic study let alone a trade secrets

>>52113628
There's umpteen other mass bounce spells that aren't aggressively undercosted, modal, one-sided, and instant. Pretty sure you could adapt.

>>52113670
>Cyclonic rift
>Better than upheaval
You're shit
>can't stop deadeye navigator
You are the trash man.

>>52113670
>he doesn't know how to stop a DEN
>he doesn't realize how much more broken upheaval is
>he doesn't realize you can put together multiple colors
Kek

>>52113688
>unironically tucking a commander


>>52113732
There are sanctioned commander tournaments I've played at GPs that people were upset I won. There are prizes on the line and you expect me to play an intentionally bad deck?

>>52113743
7 may mays
>aggressively Under-costed
How shit are you?

>>52113741
>stop Soulbond trigger once
>they just flicker Deadeye or anything else through any other means, or cast/create any other creature, to re-trigger it
oh wow, you really got me there

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>>52112389
>What, if any, changes would you make to the ban list if you were put in charge of it today?

Ban only the power 9, and make the ante cards legal. NOW THAT WOULD MAKE SHIT GET REAL.

>>52113719
It costs 9 Mana and it turns the game into who can be the last man on the stack with 1dmg

>>52113778
all you gotta do is unban Panoptic Mirror since Shaharazhad isn't banned
then play both and watch as everyone else gets rectally ragnarok'd

>>52113768

>>52113768

>what is Mindslaver?

>>52113776
>they just flicker Deadeye
By casting another spell?
You do realize that the soulbound trigger goes on the stack and can be responded to while the nav is on the battlefield, right?

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>>52113776
>Deadeye is overpowered because you can bounce him with mist.eadow witxh if someone's trying to remove him
That must make boros the strongest color combination then, being able to dodge removal by flickering or making things indestructable, so strong!!!!!!!!!!!!?????!!!??!!!!111

>>52113776
You're unironically the worst magic player I've ever interacted with including the 11 year old who drafts 5 color 7-drop tribal at my lgs.

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>ITT people who don't know the rules think they should make the ban list
Kalia too OP! Ban her because I can't deal with it!!!

>>52113812
Yes, and I'm saying that after you stop the trigger once they'll flicker it at any other point after your Stifle resolves and re-trigger it to get the combo going again.

>>52113816
>missing the point this hard
>getting so upset that you start spamming shit and making mistakes in typing, like Mistmeadow Witch being mist.eadow witxh

>>52113816
>le smug anime girl face xD
>>>/a/

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Why was this card banned?

>>52113856
>stop the trigger
You kill the creature we're not talking about stifle
You may as well say you will just counter the removal
Which is like being back in grade school and talking about how if your friend tried to punch him you would just kick him in the head first.

Try to live in reality anon.

>>52113885
Because people are too stupid to realize that they're kingmaking if they get chosen, and they go on and say "yea, let's repeat that process 20 times"

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>>52113791
>Shaharazhad isn't banned

wat.

>>52113893
Most people will go to lengths to protect their combo pieces

>>52113856
>He's missing the point
>when you're saying that a card is OP because you can protect it by flashing in creatures or bouncing it through other cards.

With that retarded logic anything could be OP.

Also the fact that you actually don't seem to know how to properly remove a DEN is hilarious, kill yourself.

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>>52113875
This is an anime imageboard, filth.

>>52113875
>>>/4chan/
What did he mean by this
>>52113885
Ever played with rhystic study? Now imagine the same retard who won't pay the extra 1 Mana now allows one of your opponents to draw half of his deck, while he draws a quarter of his leaving the other two players in the dust.

>>52113926
http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php
Yea, it's not. Gonna lose you some friends if you play it, but you won't be breaking the rules.

>>52113929
That doesn't make the combo pieces overpowered you mong.
>"A is really overpowered"
>"But what if I just do B?"
>"Then I'll just cast C!!! See how OP A is?"

That's retarded. Cards aren't overpowered because you can protect them with other cards for god's sake.

>>52113929
Cool story
Let's ban all combo pieces then

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Threads like these make me happy that none of you fucks work at WotC or are members of the RC.

>>52113929
Nobody tell anon that some wincons are hexproof

>>52113974

BUT THE OFFICIAL (read MAGIC THE GATHERING.COM) WEB STATES IT'S BANED

Who do I listen to, anon?

>>52114034
because Wizards doesn't make the rules for EDH
They defer to the mtgcommander.net people on EDH rules and bans.

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>All this talk about Duel Commander, ban lists, and super-competitive decks with $100+ cards in them
>I have 13 janky/budgety decks that are all under $150 total value card-wise because I don't want to bother spending $30+ on shit like Blood Moon, Mycosynth Lattice, Crucible of Worlds, or shit that's on the reserved list.
>When your shitbrew Naya tokens deck you finished building the night before beats out the competitive decks at the table

Good to know I'm playing this game right

>>52113183
>Banning Iona

opinion discarded

>>52114081
>Not having a deck for every powerlevel
I pity the wastrels that will never know what this feels like

>>52114081
I have a friend that does this.
He makes janky decks for everything with only cards he already owns. Things like "pure deathtouch" or "pure first strike"
Also has made 1 or 2 EDH decks for literally every color combo there is. All 5 colors, all 10 2 colors, all 10 3 colors, all 5 4 colors, 5 color, and colorless.
Still manages to win rather often.

>>52114102
>1 or more other people can no longer play half or all of their decks
>fair

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>>52114150
>no longer play half or all of their decks
This meme
At that rate ban void winnower
It's an uncard as far as I'm concerned desu senpai

>>52114150
Yes. Iona herself is completely fair. What you seem to have a problem with is most likely graveyard archetypes.

>>52114150
>Banning Iona
>But not the easily superior blood moon, contamination, infernal darkness and ruination
Into the trash it goes.

>>52114196
>Iona is commander
no graveyard shenanigans needed, what now?

>>52114190
At least there are options to remove Void Winnower. Most people are gonna have odd and even cmc removals, even unintentionally.
With Iona, you have to beg someone else to get rid of her to let you play the game at all.

>>52114219
Not everyone plays mono color man

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Why doesn't this see more play /edhg/? It's literally a free world at war.

>>52113779
Do you not understand how the stack works? You'd have to cast/activate your burn before Worldfire is even put on the stack for it to work

Unban
>Balance
>Biorhythm
>Braids, Cabal Minion
>Gifts Ungiven
>Painter's Servant
>Panoptic Mirror
>Primeval Titan
>Recurring Nightmare
>Sundering Titan
>Sylvan Primordial
>Trade Secrets
>Upheaval
>Worldfire

Maybe unban
>Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
>Erayo, Soratami Ascendant
>Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
>Griselbrand
>Prophet of Kruphix

Ban
>Deadeye Navigator

Bring back banned as commander

>>52114301
You wait till it resolves

>>52114307
>Maybe unban
>Erayo, Soratami Ascendant
This whole post was such obvious bait, but you really put it over the edge with this, try to be more subtle next time

>>52114405
Its not that bad it requires 5 spells in one turn.

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>>52114131
Part of the reason why I don't want to spend so much on a single deck is partially because I want to build a deck for each color. So far I'm at

>2 mono (Black, Red)
>4 Ally Pairs (All but WU)
>1 Enemy pair (BW)
>2 Shards (Naya/Grixis)
>2 Wedges (Abzan/Mardu)
>1 4-color (Yidris)
>1 5-color (Tazri Ally tribal)

With UG and Sultai up next. I kinda want to do WU next just to finish off the ally pairs (maybe le bribery man). I probably won't do any of the other 4-color pairs since most of the Partners don't interest me too much and none of the box legendaries outside of Yidris and maybe Saskia interest me enough to build around.

Speaking of WU, what other commanders work for building around blinking permanents in W/U/x other than Roon?

>>52113368
Forbidden crypt
Demonic pact
Lich
Immortal coil
Shit to give them to your opponents
Tell them your welcome.

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Thinking about making a demon tribal deck with this dude. Any spicy cards/tech I should know about? I have about 20 black demons, and blood speaker

>>52114392
At which point you don't have any permanents, hand or graveyard. Then what, chucklefuck?

>>52114219
then you should feel pity for the poor soul who picks a 9CMC creature in MonoW as their commander

>>52114462
Get another hobby

>>52114462
Brago, King Eternal is the typical one for 'WU but not WUx'.

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>>52114212
>Blood Moon and Ruination superior to Iona.
Butthurt detected. If you don't have any basics to fall back on it's your own damn fault. ESPECIALLY when it's Blood Moon in consideration.

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>>52114503
I've got another two alongside MtG, which is where some of the money goes. Though to be fair MtG is the newest of them at only two years running, so it's got the least invested in it.

>>52114472
Price of Glory and War's Toll are good for making sure you don't get fucked with during your turn.

>>52114307
>unban trade secrets
>maybe unban griselbrand
I hope for your sake that's bait.

>>52114405
It's 4 and you don't have to be the only one casting spells
Also we are talking about a format where tendrils of agony is a viable win condition

Noobs stop trying to make the ban list worse than it already is

>>52114472
Assault Suit and a way of forcing him to attack. Make everyone blow their own shit up.

>>52114475
You draw cards obviously

It me, the Tazri ADVENTURE brewer

I don't know if this deck will work. Allies just aren't that good overall, save for a few like Agadeem Occultist and Harabaz Druid. Even in my shitty meta I don't think they would be that good. Same thing with the Quest enchantments.

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>>52114737
>It's me
>Anon

>>52114710
To anyone who has played with Assault Suit: how often does it fuck you over?
The creature can't be sacrificed but it can still be used and targeted with more shit than it would under your own control, I'm just not sure how bad it can get.

>>52114441
Easily done in most cantrip decks. In the 99, okay. As commander, no

>>52114710
>give Rakdos one of the appropriate vows
>give him furor of the bitten
Give him assault suit and boots/greaves
Hot potato, hot potato, whose got the hot potato?

>>52113033
>Obvious bans:
Sol ring, mana crypt, mana vault, Grim monolith.
>no Serra ascendant
explain

>>52114765
It can't be targeted by any more than it could under your control if it doesn't have hexproof, the can't be sacrificed clause prevents them from just saccing your gay for their gain, and even if they tap it for something else instead of attacking it still untaps for the next guy anyway.
Assault Suit is great for any creature you don't mind passing around, and old Rakdos fits the bill pretty good.
Maybe find a way to force them to attack though, ex. auras like Bloodshed Fever, Furor of the Bitten, Guise of Fire, Infectious Bloodlust, Lust for War, Skin Invasion, Uncontrolable Anger, Tormentor's Trident

>>52114462
Why do so many people have this need to have a deck of each color and combination? It's a dumb idea when you'll have 32 edh decks, of which you'll play maybe 10 at the most.

>>52114772
>In the 99, okay.
I would not be surprised if you required help breathing due to your low intelligence.

>>52114710
>>52114823
Why force it to attack?

Would you like it if commander 2017 brought us a new cycle of partners? how many do you want to see introduced?

this is /ccg/ territory but what do you think a good partner would look like?

>>52114955
>Sacrifice half the non-Demon permanents you control
>pass the hot potato around

Everyone is forced to attack with him, everyone sacrifices half their shit.

>>52114475
Then you cast the Isamaru.

>>52114959
>The Partner Legends are underpowered and "safe" card design. In every way, they are all equivalent to non-Legendary sub-$1 bulk rares; not Mythics, not Legendaries, and certainly not both at once.
>None of the Partner Legends feel like proper Legendary cards. Legendaries in normal sets feel far more Legendary than these sub-$1 bulk rares.
>Not only that, but even amongst themselves the Partners have little to no synergy, even though they were intended to work together.
>Adding insult to injury, the most hyped up one of the lot, Ludevic himself, is a total, complete, utter let-down with absolutely no redemption.
tl;dr Partner was shit, full single 4 color cards were great

>>52114959
+15 Partners
5 Allied Dual Color
10 Monocolor

>>52114978
Nice. Does commander damage apply when other players deal damage with him?

>>52115057
Yep, he's a commander so the 21 damage rule applies regardless of who controls him. I killed a guy with his own Zurgo once

>>52115057
Yes, Commander Damage is tracked per commander, not controller. Also, if two or more people in a game have the same commander, they're each tracked separately, not together.

>>52114959
decent / good partner commanders
5 or allied coloured commanders

>>52115031
The merfolk with the mana dump ability is very good
Paired with the spider lady that draws cards it's potent

Though I have to admit it's those two and vial smasher that are even worth playing maybe the dimir one too but if playing the invasion dragons taught me anything it's that dealing combat damage to get an effect is pretty shit

>>52112389
>Braids banned
>Balance banned
>Tinker banned
>Trade secrets banned

The banned list crew does not understand what's fun

>>52114959
give me a decent rakdos partner. like, a legendary blood artist. that's all it would have to be and it would already be one of the best rakdos commanders ever printed. and that particular effect has been printed fucking twice on two uncommons so there's no garbage way it's "too stornk"

>>52115196
I want an legendary creature that says: all creatures in your graveyard have dredge x, where x is it's poder

That's not happening either, you fucking entitled casualfag

>>52114834
But there's a bunch of costs and effects such as "return a creature you control to it's owner's hand" that get past the anti-sacrifice rule, flicker to make auras/equipment drop off etc.

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>>52115242
that's a bad example and a shit argument desu

>>52115255
There's ways around everything in MtG, you're never gonna get a perfect deck because such thing doesn't exist.
Now, are you gonna made deck and have fun, or not make deck, not have fun, and waste time arguing about theoreticals all day on this Tarkir throat singing board?

>>52115242
>comparing Dredge, one of the strongest mechanics ever printed in all Magic, to a simple effect relegated to uncommon creatures.

>>52115312
Fucking Maro just kys

>>52115031
>>52114959
It doesn't matter that they're underpowered and "safe" as long as they're synergistic.
The more they print, the higher the odds of pairings with enough synergy to become more than the sum of its parts, enough to be considered "playable".

With 15 partners, there are 105 possible combinations. With another run for 30, there would be 435 combinations. Yet another, 990. Synergy is inevitable.

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Reintroduce the Banned Commander list, consisting of

>Azusa, Lost but Seeking
>Braids, Cabal Minion
>Erayo
>Gaddock Teeg
>Griselbrand
>Jin-Gitaxias
>Leovold
>Meren of Clan Nel Toth
>Rofellos
>Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
>Ulamog, The Ceaseless Hunger

Fun is allowed

>>52114102
Card isn't OP but it is never doing anything exciting or fun and it kicks the already disadvantaged archetypes/monocolor decks while they're down. Sorry to scare you by forcing you to imagine a situation where you actually have to think about the boardstate to play your deck.

>>52114212
>Banning a card that hoses monocolored decks is bad
>Banning cards that allow monocolored decks to fight back is good

Take your own advice m8

>>52114959
Partners in C17 should be one for each Allied pair and 10 monocolored partners (2 for each color).

Monocolored Partners are a must for variety's sake.

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>>52115464

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>>52115508
>I commited the mistake of thinking playing a monocolored deck was smart
T. casualfag
>Gaddock Teeg
>Leovold
>Meren of Clan Nel Toth
Kys and stop being a crybaby

>>52114959
Partners is a shitty mechanic. They can't give them super interesting abilities because they need to mix and match. Should've done something like powering up the abilities and then making it so for each partner commander you have in the command zone it increases cost of your commander(s) by 1 or 2. That way there's an actual reason to play them by themselves as well.

>>52115556
Enjoy the (You)

>>52115277
I just don't want to give away my baby only to have it manhandled

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What's the fastest EDH deck?

>>52115790
Isamaru and 99 Plains

>>52115790
Tazri Food Chain or some sort of Hermit Druid Combo.

>>52114287
>three cards
>free

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>>52115913
>counting casting the card from your hand itself as a cost
Red is negative card advantage: the color, so I don't know why you wouldn't just play UG if your worried about that.

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>that new art for Lovisa Coldeyes
I always kinda wanted to build her, is there really any decent way to go about it, or is it jank at best? Also, any decent tech I should be aware of?

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>>52116060

>>52112389
banned as commander:
All C13 commanders, they were a mistake
Braids, Cabal Minion
Erayo, Soratami Ascendant

banned:
Sol Ring
Mana Crypt
Mana Vault
Cyclonic Riftjk cyclonic is fine
unbanned:
biorythm
coalition victory

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>>52116060
Probably not anything that hasn't been posted on her EDHrec page, but this sprang to mind

>>52116210
>>52116210
>All C13 commanders, they were a mistake
Sydri and Shattergang are my pals tho

>>52116239
you know what commanders I'm talking about, I just didn't want to go through and single out the ones that aren't broken. Sydri and Shattergang bros are indeed pals.

>>52116253
I know, I was just giving you a hard time, and I agree

>>52116060
I still can't believe they made Saskia a soldier

>>52115031
Reyhan "Modular For Everyone" Last of the Mohecans feels pretty legendary and is probably good enough to stand alone. One really good example out of fifteen isn't great, but there you go. I could argue about more that are good or at least decent, but I don't feel like casting wall of text breaking down the good, the bad, and the ugly.

>>52116253
Are Jeleva and Marath really that bad?

>>52116298
Jeleva's got some pretty nasty storm decks, and Marath breaks the one doctrine of my theoretical rules committee:
Due to the nature of the command zone, no card should benefit from being returned to the command zone and no card should ever repeatedly undercut the cost of returning from the command zone.
In this case, Marath benefits from being returned to the command zone because of the extra +1/+1 counters. I don't think any commander should be a bad target for removal just because you don't want them to be recast from the command zone. Having your commander returned to the command zone should ALWAYS be a penalty.

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>>52116370

Fuck the spirit of EDH.

C13 gave the command zone some use, fag.

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>>52116415
Butthurt prossh player who gets a hard peen whenever someone plays removal

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>>52116448

I play Daretti artifact control-combo with pic related sleeves.
Try again fag.

C13 holds a dear place in my heart, since I got to buy all five deck on release date.

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>>52116504
I don't give a shit about your feels
That's what the command zone's intended purpose was and C13 was and always will be a mistake

>>52116550

Just like the graveyard, right? Where cards would go and almost never come back
Just like the exile zone, right? Where cards get eliminated (for reals this time!) and never come back.

The game evolves, kiddo.

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>>52116570
What is graveyard hate?

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>>52116619

What is hating a whole generation of commander you because you either:

1. Don't own any of the C13 precons
2. Got your sweet ass fucked so hard by Oloro, Derevi and Jeleva that you coughed up semen for a week.
3. Are a casualfag.

>>52116570
Black graveyard recursion has been around since Alpha

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>>52116683
>hate something because I don't own it
what did he mean by this?

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>>52116686

But it didn't treat the graveyard as a second hand like nowadays.

The thing is every zone, every aspect on the game is bound, and deserves, to be explored. Ranting about "C13 abuses the command zone" is rather comical and childish. Just man the fuck up and improve your commander, scrubs.

>>52116764
>it didn't treat the graveyard as a second hand like nowadays
That's fair. And regarding C13, "command zone matters" is a decent idea but they did a kind of shit job of implementing it

This thread proves EDH players are retarded meme scum.

>>52116764
Not all zones are created equal. Graveyard hate exists, command zone hate does not. You can remove graveyard strategy pieces and hate it out with stuff like RIP. You can't stop someone from casting derevi for 4 mana or getting prossh's dick harder.
If they decided to print commanders that interact with the command zone, then they're going to have to print cards or invent ways to stop them; but then that would be to the detriment of every other commander that doesn't abuse the command zone. Example: tuck rule. Great for getting rid of problematic commanders, bad for everything else.

Who is best reanimator general? Prefer 3 colors, looking for fatty foodstuff over combo.

>>52117270
marchesa the black rose? Sultai sidisi?

>>52113471
Winds of change is only good for turn one fucking over peoples kept hands, and only if you go first. Otherwise it nets you no cards, and anyone who goes before you on turn 1 can still drop their sol rings or whatever rocks they have.

>>52116280
Yeah I am right there with you man. That fucking shit.

>>52117270
Meren in two color

Karador in three color

>>52116060
I actually prefer the old art. This one I think is better but I prefer the style of the old. I've always wanted to build her because I love tribal, she has cool factor, and I found her old art to also be rather attractive, but I didn't feel there was any way to make it work satisfactorily.

>>52113368
Teferi's Puzzlebox

Although, that's probably not low key.

>>52117351
Never really considered Marchesa. Is she actually any good?
Sidisi seems boring, but reliable.

>>52117400
Meren deck #30067. But I see your point - she is pretty good.
Karador seems like a really solid choice. Any fun things in junk for wincons? Please no craterhoof.

>>52117483
Boonweaver Giant

>>52117483
Yeah, there's a reason there's so many running her.

There's some infinite combos you can do with Karador but you said you weren't interested in those which is fine. I'm not super familiar with him but it's Junk. I think you just good stuff the fuck outta people.

>>52117510
Is that that one combo deck? How does that work?

And is it possible to fit it in alongside a whole bunch of other fun fatties?

>>52117521
That's a fair breakdown. I mean, if all else fails I can always resort to craterhoof or just woodfall Primus for years.

>>52117551
One good thing about karador is the more you get guys dumped into your yard, either through self mill/dredge style effects or just through naturally playing the game the cheaper he gets. He can die 2-3 times and it barely effect how much you pay in actual mana

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Time for something different, edhg.

Match a commander to a dating profile and post results

>>52117270
meme plasm
gotta get that dino arm checked out though, somethings not right with that slampiece, ya dig?

>>52117589
Holy shit hahaha

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This format is full of fucking retards

>don't do much of anything whole game because mana screwed
>Yidris player starts bludgeoning me to death
>"you never know what's in that hand :^)"
>all this while the Atraxa player is building a horrifying board state that he doesn't want to do anything about
>FINALLY cast my commander
>Yidris sacs Kaiga to steal it
>instead of the 10/10 Atraxa

Playing with anyone but your friends is a mistake

>>52117651
Probably didn't want to trade Ydris for Atraxa since she has deathtouch, even though he'd still get 1 trample damage and proceed to do all sorts of wacky fucking Ydris shit

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>>52117589

>>52117676
I mean, I get that he wanted easy Cascade triggers off me, and that's fine, but Jesus Christ why would you not Mind Control the biggest threat on the board

>>52117696
Unless your commander is like the actual Nicol Bolas dragon or something I don't fucking know man

>>52117651
sounds awful
and by that I mean sounds like you are an awful player
get good scrub

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>>52117651

>Play at uni
>One guy is consistently turbo tryhard
>Talking about if the house was on fire and I had to choose between saving him or his deck
>I would choose his deck as its worth explicitly more than him
>Full art foil unhinged lands
>Everything is foiled out
>Everything
>Refuses to tone it down
>fuck man we're casual college players
>People just stop playing with him
>Except the new people who dont know better
>Even then they play with him one game and then never again
>Always looking for a game everyone either starts one fast and gets to turn 2/3 before he can shuffle or outright tells him to fuck off
>He's not even autistic, just an asshole so he has no excuses

For every good player that is an absolute horrible one

Is there a way to build Vela that isn't just turning dudes sideways tribal featuring ninjas? I've been looking for a new waifu commander and Vela caught my eye, but I'm not totally sure if ninjas would be very fun even if they serve a sort of tool box role.

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>tfw want to build tribal spirits
>Atraxa is best colors for deck I want
>best 5c option would be like, Karona or something

Should I go Karador? Or maybe try to convince people to let me run Genju of the Realm?

>>52117841
I've seen a build where she was Eldrazi tribal with unblockable eldrazi but meh.

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>>52117693
>>52117589

Are there more?
These are fucking great

>>52117892
Brago for Innistrad spirits. Iname As One if you want Kamigawa spirits

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>brother builds a Nekusar deck
>he's got me on the ropes in my Sisay deck making me draw 4 a turn + whatever spells he plays
>tap sisay and grab my main squeeze Michiko
>play her and Gaddock Teeg in the same turn
>he autoscoops
Good fucking lord that felt amazing

>>52117892
>Karador spirits
Ive seen a couple on MTGO they are pretty neat
tribal decks are pretty shit though my dude, gotta know what you are getting into.
also just go with the 5c commander get all the best spirits you can, you are going to need the selection.
the hardest part will be getting a good land base, if you play a decent amount of basics you can fetch them with green ramp spells, actually isnt a bad way to go.

>>52117929
>nekusar
>auto scoop to a creature
why though?
I mean maybe if he way too many of those enchantments that draw you cards and stuff he wouldnt have as much room for removal but those cards are ultimately pretty mediocre in nek to begin with.
Your brother breaks my heart, he could have had that game.

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>>52117841
You could do Devoid or other colorless shenanigans instead if you really wanted. Abuse on-cast or etb triggers if you want to add ninja too.

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How accurate is this?

>>52118010
>>52117893
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll look into those

>>52117538
Google it.

You can run it with other fatties but there's never anything better to reanimate than Boonweaver Giant.

>>52118033
pretty accurate
my selvala deck is not a token deck, its a stax/combo deck

but it wins with hatebears + craterhoof enough for people to roll their eyes when I said it wont go wide.

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>>52117898

>>52118033
The Gruul one is shockingly accurate. It's also 100% correct about blue.

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>>52117994
He's still building the deck and hasn't ordered everything so I think he's lite on removal but with Michiko on the field and I draw 4 every turn, he has to sacrifice 4 permanents and he didn't want to deal with that because it was early in the game.

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>>52118033
Gruul is probably my favorite color combo and I can confirm it's 100% true
Fuck blueniggers

>>52118033
>Gruul
>unga bunga you draw from rhystic study me smash you

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>>52117970
I wanted to build a lower power deck as my Chainer tends to be a bit too much for some tables. I've always loved Kamigawa since it's one of the first blocks I played when I got into Magic. 3 color seems like too little. I could probably use Atraxa if I really wanted, as proliferate will do something at least sometimes, but she doesn't fit thematically. I'll have to deliberate a bit more I guess before I make up my mind.

>>52113974
>vintage legal cards

You're a fucking retard. There's a reason the dexterity and ante cards aren't spelled out in the banlist too, but they're still illegal.

>>52114081
There are almost no lines of play a token deck can do to beat Tazri Food Xhain.

>>52112809
that card was made by a neonazu FYI

>ban Leovold as commander
>unban Sylvan Primordial
These are the obvious ones.

Also ban Mana Crypt and Mana Vault but let's stick to one at a time.

>>52114472
doublestrike will make him defile twice

>>52113243
You're vastly overestimating the power of a one-sided conditional Howling Mine in a 4 player format. While it's silly to compare with the likes of Rhystic Study on the basis that they're different permanent types, Study is also exponentially more powerful for only 3 mana.

>>52115005
>casting a monowhite commander in response to a big red boardwipe that removes your hand

>>52117167
Here's how to deal with C13 commanders
>fix Derevi
Alter command tax to encompass activated abilities from the command zone. So the bitch plays 2 extra for each time she tries to cheat her way into the game. There's no detriment to implementing this since she's literally the only (and hopefully will stay that way) general with a command zone activated ability.
>fix Prossh
Not a chance, even on first activation the guy's broken beyond belief. Free 14 damage to everyone with Purphoros along with a free 5/5 dragon and 12 free mana through Altar/chumpblocks/boostable dudes, for 6 mana that gets exponentially better afterwards? Just ban that thing already pls

Jeleva, Marath and Oloro IMO are fine, they can be very strong but they don't break the game in half by existing and they need half a brain to build around (well, actually building Oloro is just "throw together everything with lifegain matters" but at least he's not hard to deal with)

>>52118033
>BR sucks
Rakdos is underappreciated as fuck, it has a plenty of really sick commanders at disposal.
>Selesnya
Most of the time I only see either Teeg or Sigarda so they don't play tokens that much
>Orzhov
Assholes with a dozen one-sided boardwipes in every armpit

Others are pretty much spot on though

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New thread when?

>>52113778
>Play chaos orb
>Nobody can tap or untap lands since manipulation of the objects on the board is now an illegal action.

God bless cards that were banned in everything so early their rulings are terrible.

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Post that guy stories:

>That guy who always scoops in response to dying so that your damage triggers don't happen

>>52118033

>Orzhov
>Nothing bad to say about these guys
>Play armageddon, stax and always have access to the best removal in the game

sure

>>52119376
If your group doesn't play as though damage connected then you need to find new people to play with.

>>52119376
>>52119562
>heh kiddo the rules say I can concede whenever I want so this is what you get for daring to attempt to win in a manner that relies on me not being a spiteful dick
Just play fun and interactive combos like Mike & Trike so you don't have to worry about what your opponents do. It's clearly what they want :^)

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>>52119376
>that guy who gets genuinely angry at the rest of the table because he was being focused due to his superior board state

>>52119607
what the fuck anon he just happened to drew better cards than you, there's no need to gang up on him

let him win >:(

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>>52119607

I swear to god I will kill this guy

>Gamer girl in our playgroup runs a degenerate Prossh deck with Food Chain
>Always gets mad when you focus her because she can kill a person out of nowhere in one turn
>Always tells me to go grab her a drink or something because she's too lazy to stand up
>Is relatively new to magic and doesn't know the cards and instead of reading them she says "I don't understand it, tell me what it does"
>Always murder her out of rage and when she loses she spends the next 30 minutes just reminding us how she could've won if she had lived for one more turn

That's it, I'm building a Winter Orb Smokestack deck, I can't handle this shit.

>>52115464
>Ulamog, Jin, Azusa and teeg
Why?

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>>52119668
>>Gamer girl in our playgroup runs a degenerate Prossh deck with Food Chain
Netdeck or her boyfriend built it for her?

>>52119699

netdeck and one of the guys in my playgroup decided it was a good idea to buy her a foodchain because she's kinda cute

they will pay for this

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>>52119708
I feel for you anon. Make them RUE the day they thought they could get pussy by buying a girl magic cards!

>>52118845
A turn 1 library is one of tge strongest plays you can do in magic.
Have you ever played with it? Tested it out? The library doesn't seem that insane at first, but if you've seen it played then you'll know that it's in no way a safe unban.

It would go in literally every deck, it would be strong in commander due to larger average hand sizes, a turn 1 library would guarantee a win for any decent deck. And there's not even a payoff to drawing it late.

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>OG Avacyn vs Roon vs Angus Mackenzie vs Breya (me)
>have Sharding Sphinx, Thopter Spy Network and Darksteel Forge in play
>still being held in check by the fucking Angus Mackenzie Orgasm Denial.dec
>suddenly Roon starts making a billion tokens each turn with Hornet Queen
>Avacyn panic fires Cataclysm
I've never been made king harder. The amount of shit talking Avacyn guy got from the other players was fucking gut-annihilating.

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>>52119376
>that one johnny comboplayer who splergs over 20 minutes in his turn and it results in a big-whoop-of-nothing

>>52119858
How does that make you king? You know that indestructibility doesn't apply to sacrificing right?

>>52119708
>netdeck and one of the guys in my playgroup decided it was a good idea to buy her a foodchain because she's kinda cute
That sounds about right. I've known several girls that play magic, but none of them can really play.

Why do girls pretend to like things?

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>>52119961
Take a wild guess which artifact, creature and enchantment I decided to keep.
Cataclysm ain't Tragic Arrogance.

>>52119376
>that guy who keeps a two land hand and then gets unbelievably salty when you crack his mana rocks

Hey guys, realistically how many shekels do I need to make an EDH deck?

I'd have to start from (almost) zero because I only have a few leftovers from back when I used to play plus a couple decks but I won't dissasemble those.

>>52120009

You can get a good deck from like 35 bucks, but 100 is the optimal price for a GOOD deck

>>52120026
Guess I will have to give up drugs in a couple months, thanks.

Also funfact, an old friend of mine got married and as a wedding gift he asked me for my Sword of Ice and Fire and Sword of Light and Darkness.

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>>52120043
>drugs

>>52120043
I'm deeply concerned about what drugs you abuse to the point that giving them up for a couple months is what ensures you'll have $100+ of disposable income.

>>52120111
If you really want to know... only weed but is high-quality shit, I smoke 1 joint a day after work, sometimes less.

If I have to save money I'd rather not smoke than to smoke some cheap shit.

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>White gets Tabernacle
>Green gets Library
>Blue gets Bazaar
>Black gets fucking Coffers
>Red gets...
Is this still the biggest atrocity in all of Magic?

>>52120170
What'd you want? Magus of the Port? Magus of the Wasteland?

>>52120268
Not him, but fuck, did it really need to be 6 mana?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sharuumeme-the-hegemom/
Any advice for how to round out this deck?

>>52120170
literally just printed Magus of the Wheel, and we had Magus of the Scroll

Not saying it's fair since black just got Will but still, it's not terrible, what they should have done is not magus the Arena magus cost 6 fucking mana, because apparently red getting the ability to fight a creature of your opponent's choice should be 3 times as expensive as looting for 2

>>52119779
>A turn 1 library is one of tge strongest plays you can do in magic.
In Vintage you mean.

>The library doesn't seem that insane at first, but if you've seen it played then you'll know that it's in no way a safe unban.
It limits how much you can play in a single turn if you want to reap the extra card. Control/general reactive decks benefit from it big time yes, but Commander has much more degenerate methods of card draw. Sylvan Library for example can put you much more ahead than Library with ease considering how much health you have available to spend, though true, Library isn't green exclusive.

>And there's not even a payoff to drawing it late.
Unless you have a <6 card hand, then it's just a $400 Wastes.

>>52119779
>>52120597
Also consider the nature of the format - if Library ever gets out of hand, it's archenemy time for you.

>>52120268
Red should've been Bazaar, and blue should've been Maze (of Ith)

>>52119779
This. You need to play a few games with library to understand how completely broken it is.

I was told I need more high-end finishing stuff in voltron. Eldrazi Conscription or Batterskull?

>>52120610
This is not an argument.
>>52120597
Hand sizes are generally way bigger in commander, and control is a stronger archetype than in 20 life format. Library allows you consistant extra draws, with the only drawbacks being that you are down a mana when you use it, but that's not even an issue with all the ramp in edh.

Vintage is an even more degenerate format than edh, and even there it's oppressive.

>>52120597
Comparing it to sylvan library is insane.
Play a few games with it in vintage. Test it out. You'll see. The library is probably one of the most sneaky cards powerlevel-wise. You reallh need to see it in action and use it to understand how absolutely fucking insane it is.

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>>52120315
it wouldn't be a true red card if it wasn't a potentially fun effect on a tragically overcosted card

>>52118033
>that hate for golgari
Anon, how could you? Every non-Meren golgari bro is usually a blast to play with. What's more fun than dropping a triumph of the hoards or overwhelming stampede when you have a 6/6 flying demon and a bunch of asshole tokens?

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>playing maelstrom in a 4man pod at le lgs
>10ish turns in, draw my card for the turn and realize i forgot to edit the deck for multiplayer (it was still in 1v1 config)
>tell everyone at the table that i have the potential to be a huge douchebag and that i don't know if i should do so
>"haha anon just cast brainstorm and put jokulhaups on top of your deck and then cast maelstrom wanderer haha"
>chuckle nervously "yeah"
>proceed to cast brainstorm
>put jokulhaups and atarka, world render on top
>cast maelstrom wanderer
>"wait, are you for real?"
>try to hide my head in shame and nod
>smash all of them to death 1-by-1 after their shit blows up

am i a bad person

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>>52118124
we must not forget his sacrifice

>>52119975
They crave for attention, a LGS full of neckbeards and nerdy boys who will give them plentiful of attention. Those type of girls are the average bitches who can't get the attentions of chads so they try an easier target audience

>>52120170
>what is Magus of the Moon

>>52118033
t.Orzhov player

>>52119607
>playing Iroas
>that guy kills my two shitty two-drop creatures and deals me 1 damage before conceding while I was behind everyone else, a kruphix and Atraxa player
>later trying to beat down the kruphix player since Atraxa is durdling
>get him down to two life
>he kills me with 6 cloned overbeing of myth his next turn

>>52117841
I've seen some pretty good token abuse decks recently, black/blue are pretty decent at pumping out little dudes. Just get yourself a sac outlet, a blood artist or zulaport cutthroat, and go to town.

Ban paradox engine.
Side note fuck mono blue clone and counterspell decks. "Oh it's only as good as your deck" no my deck occasionally wins and does so in under an hours. You always lose and drag the game out for more than 2 while everyone is miserable.

>>52119975

To get attention, you know this.

>>52116370
What about Tasigur then, fag?

Is it legal to reveal your hand at will?

>>52122067
>Ban paradox engine
Pls no, works perfectly in my mill deck

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>>52122067
>5cmc
>easiest permanent type to destroy
>part of a 3 or more card combo
>Broken

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I'm about to order the cards for this deck very soon

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/taxman-cometh-with-ramp/

If any of you can think of any on-theme spicy additions, let me know.

I'd like to slot in an additional 2-3 pillowforty cards but I'm having a hard time finding effective, budgety cards that can do so. Cards like Norn's Annex and Sphere of Safety didn't make the cut since they're a bit too weak, for example.

It's important that the pillowfort cards aren't too group sluggy like Humility. I don't want to draw hate, I mostly just want to sit behind enchantments and slowly get stronger with lifegain/pillowfort/card advantage.

Thanks in advance for help guys haha

>>52122612
Yes, it is just generally considered unwise, or a dick move. Much like in poker.

>>52122760
Lightmine field stops token decks dead in their tracks.

>>52122798
I'm currently the most worried about big fatties with hexproof. I got a lot of stuff that hoses wide strats but not that much in the way of hosing big timmy shit

I think I could run force-saccing but I'd rather focus on deterrance and building board than having moment-to-moment answers

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>>52122798
>implying

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>>52122760
Also related to this

Are those "at x life you win the game lmao" cards rude to play in 75% EDH? I originally put them in because I've always wanted to run an alternate wincon deck, but on the other hand it seems somewhat dickish to drop a Felidar Sovereign or a Test of Endurance on turn 5 or 6. If 3 players don't have 1 sorcery speed permanent removal in their hands, is it safe to say that the fault lies with them if I happen to win with it? It's not like I'm flashing it in.

I've already had to disassemble one deck entirely because it memed my group too hard and I wouldn't want a repeat of that

>>52122760
Koskun falls nigger. Also, run debt to the deathless for god's sake.

>>52122956
>Koskun falls nigger

thanks, although i'm pretty low on creatures so it might not work that well because of that tap requirement

>Also, run debt to the deathless for god's sake.
it's there senpai

>>52122900
Felidar is a little rude. Test is less so since you do have to at least work a little for it. I mean it's +10 life it's not like that's more of a burden than "stay at full" but at least you're pretending to try.

If you want an interesting altwin maybe go for Chance Encounter or Mortal Combat. (That was hard to not write with the K)

>>52122760
>Not running slaughter
Anon, I...
In all seriousness though, these decks tend to be better with constant sources of drain. Cards like defiant bloodlord and vizkopa guildmage are actually pretty damn good if you're going hard on the lifegain package. Also, Beacon of immortality is often a wincon too combined with these cards. And if you have to choose between sanguine bond and exquisite blood, I'd go for bond in this deck, since you don't really have anything that drains opponents for how much you gain, so exquisite blood is just kinda pillowforty. Furthermore, small lifegain/drain creatures like suture priest, drana's emissary, blood artist and friends tend to be pretty damn good in multiplayer.

Lastly, consider well of lost dreams, painful quandary, wound reflection, And authority of the consuls for flavor reasons.

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Rate my GP purchases /edh/
Found a Deepglow Skate and Faeire Artisans in a 12 cards- 5€ box so I also got some cards that didn't have
Kiki for 7€ and Blood Crypt for 6€

>>52123107
>slaughter
That shit is pretty awesome for any deck that insulates its life total well or, even better, gains regularly. Exodus and it's "non-mana buyback" twist on the block mechanic is a fucking gold mine.

I made a huge MCM order almost two wreks ago, but 5 of the packages still haven't showed up, even though the sellers live in the same country as I do (normally shipping only takes a day when that's the case).

Should I be worried?

>>52123107
I don't have slaughter because my meta runs quite a bit of black and there's nothing I hate more than having a dead removal spell

I also opted out of "When you gain life, x player loses the same amount" because on average, they cost a lot of mana and don't really do anything if I'm not already winning. I might slot some in if my other lifegain wincons turn out too easy but in the few xmage games I've played, I seem to have no problems closing out games with my massive life/card advantage that I can amass over the turns

also I don't like the "let me just drain u a teeny tiny bit once a turn for 5 mana" because yeah, those cards do next to nothing compared to big lifegain haymakers like Beacon of Immortality and Shattered Angel. For example, Drana's Emissary gains exactly 1 life a turn for 3 mana. Shattered Angel gains about 6-12 for 5 mana. Also more importantly, I'm godawful when it comes to remembering multiple smaller triggers at the same time so I prefer big flashy lifegain stuff. Authority of the Counsels is a strong af card but it hurts my ability to chill while playing my children's card games

I might run Painful Quandary though, thanks for the suggestions

>>52123156
what country do you live in? some european countries have awful postal services

my cards sometimes spend like 10 days at some shitty postal office in greece before being sent over to my country

I'm not sure if there's reason to worry but it's a bit weird for them to take 2 weeks to arrive in the same country

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how would this work in zada?

>>52119668
>Gamer girl can't into a social game
Color me surprised senpai, I thought women were better at social interaction :DDDD

>>52123238
blow up your board to deal 10 damage to target player

funny, but sadly a bit counterproductive

>>52123238
Not.

>>52123131
Simic charm is incredible
I run it in my 5c casual deck, at first I scoffed at it.
Then I realized it's a tempo cards+ protection+ Voltron capability
Insane

>>52119668
>I'm building a Winter Orb Smokestack deck
Yes, join us. Ascend to the Stax master race.