>hyped to hell >literally did nothing >get cuucked in

>>52104058
What?

>>52104086
Cypher saved Guilliman from Huron, in exchange for that Rob promised to take Fallen to Golden Throne. For some reason Guilliman now fears Lion's sword and before the door leading to Golden Throne orders Custodes to imprison Cypher and all Fallen, Cypher escapes after few hours

>>52104145
>Cypher saved Guilliman from Huron,
There is like zero point of him being here, its not harlequins couldn't free Guilliman as Eldar want Bobby to live.

>>52104159
not like*

>>52104159
>There is like zero point of him being here
Why? He seeks way to Terra, and captured Guilliman was perfect chance.
More interesting that DA soon will be removed from game and fluff

>>52104413
Do you think if Guilliman told Cypher to fuck off harlequins would let him die here?

>>52104058
>setting advancing
>anything really changing
>GW knowing how to make compelling stories

This is why I reject GW's reality and substitute my own.

>>52104445
More likely they wouldn't find way out without Cypher, since clowns were only sidekicks

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>>52104413
>More interesting that DA soon will be removed from game and fluff
lolwut

>>52104466
Harlequins are murderclowns who sure know how eldar Blackstone fortress works.

>>52104497
Guilliman now have shitton of Fallen imrisoned on Terra. Previously Azrael said that when IoM revealed truth about Unforgiven all DA and successors will be dead and ordered to all chapters surrender to imperium.

>>52104145
Is GW positioning Huron to be the next chaos BBEG?

>>52104526
Except everybody already knows about the Fallen, and literally every Legion had their own traitors, whether loyalist or traitor.

The whole Fallen narrative has been made redundant by the HH.

>>52104534
Who knew, if they are going to make Girlyman new Emperor, then probably yes, because of chemestry between them

>>52104552
>Except everybody already knows about the Fallen
Nope
Even on Fenris there were Inquisitor who tried to learn about Fallen
>and literally every Legion had their own traitors, whether loyalist or traitor.
Not BA, not Ultrasmurfs, not SW, not IF
Also, none of loyalist's legions had 50% of traitors

>>52104555
What, Astral Claws aren't smurf descendants.

>>52104566
Wolfs had big chunk of traitors.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Skyrar%27s_Dark_Wolves

>>52104058
He did escape the Custodes Prison. A prison from which nobody escaped until now.

>>52104566
>Nope
>Even on Fenris there were Inquisitor who tried to learn about Fallen
Yes there is, one of the founding members of the Grey Knights was a Dark Angel who told them everything, and it's almost certainly on a need-to-know basis throughout the Ordo Malleus.

>Not BA, not Ultrasmurfs, not SW, not IF
Actually they all did.

>>52104613
>one of the founding members of the Grey Knights was a Dark Angel who told them everything
Except Unforgiven were formed only after Second Founding.
>and it's almost certainly on a need-to-know basis throughout the Ordo Malleus.
Proof?
>Actually they all did.
Nope, Badab War happened only after heresy

>>52104145
How was Gully in danger from Huron?

>>52104526
>Previously Azrael said that
Azrael is a Dark Angel, not a prognosticator, and Dark Angels are incredibly paranoid and overly secretive. Of course he, and all the Dark Angels, are going to think it is the end of the chapter if the Imperium finds out about the Fallen.

The Dark Angels also probably think it will be the end of the Chapter if the Imperium finds out they don't follow the Codex exactly, or if they wear white after memorial day.

>>52104758
Kairos imprisoned Guilliman on red corsairs base which is black stone fortress gifted by Abby.

>>52104145
Sounds like the most rational decision.

>>52104534
I fucking hope so!

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>>52104058
ke-ke-ke
Also
>mfw all first founding chapters except First swore allegiance to Guilliman and said "FUCK U!" to their primarchs like Phoenix Lords and Aspect Warriors to Khaine

>>52104591
>What, Astral Claws aren't smurf descendants.
They are.

>>52104759
>or if they wear white after memorial day.

I don't get this reference.

>>52106251
It's not a reference, it's just a rule. You don't wear white after memorial day. It's like matching your socks to your belt, it's just a thing.

>>52106321

Mind telling rest of us non-american what the fuck is a memorial day and *why* wearing white would break some rule?

What if Dark Angels become the new antagonists?

>>52106391
>what if
It's pretty much sealed. With Rowboat shitting his pants from seeing Lion's sword, I don't need any more confirmation.

>>52104759
This. Guilliman will GUFFAW when someone suggests purging the DAs.

"Do you believe it a prudent use of the Imperium's resources to prosecute a war of extermination against a full tenth of our standing Astartes forces, for the sole reason that they ARE NOT the traitors? Give me your Inquisitorial seal and report to the Munitorum for assignment to Ordinance Disposal.

>>52106356
I'm an American, I thought it was you don't wear white after labor day.

Which even I don't know why.

Memorial day would have made more sense though. Since you're remembering the fallen

>>52104718
HH put it to rest: Every chapter had contingents that sided with Horus, just like the traitor legions had warbands that stayed loyal.
Stop being a putz.

>>52104413
I sincerely doubt they'd make the 7th ed. starter a Dark Angels box, then remove them in 8th.

>>52104058
did he killed abaddon or not ?

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>>52106697

Wouldn't even be the most dumbest thing that GW has done...

>>52106463
Robert G. Lee turned on Cypher, though. It's likely that, in classic 40k fashion, he will think no further than "He has Lion's sword, but is not Lion. Therefore, he killed Lion."

>>52104591

A traitor warband wearing gray armor and the runes of the Serpent's Eye seems to have followed Horus, think it was in Volume II.

>>52106794
>But Guilliman was not fool enough to trust the mysterious Dark Angel blindly. He might not recognise his person but he did recognise the blade Cypher carried on his back, the sight of which made him shudder with dread. There was no way he was allowing that near his father.

Sounds to me like it was the sword itself that freaked Girlyman out.

>>52106697
I really don't want them to make DA traitors because that would be fucking stupid, but considering what they did to sister of silence I don't think new models are any assurance anymore.

>>52104566
Wasn't 50%

>>52104598
Duh of course, he can teleport.
It's never shown how but he can just dissapear kinda like Corvus Corax.

>>52106876
>Sounds to me like it was the sword itself that freaked Girlyman out.
Insult me again, brother, and theoretically I will punch you in your practical face'

>>52106684

Not canon. 40k really needs to be split into nu-canon and true canon generals now.

>>52107040
Everything is canon. Even works of C.S.Goto. Not everything is true.

>>52107066

Haven't you heard? The new grog rallying cry is "Your canon ends where my feelings begin." It doesn't matter what is true, but if you feel differently than someone else, it's a personal attack for badwrongfeels.

>>52107066
That used to be the case, but the current Chief Editor from BL has been pushing a different narrative the past two or three years.

Given that he's an ascended chaos fanboy though, he might have just come up with a new narrative out of butthurt from grog backlash..

>>52107040
>Not canon
Factually false, and rails against intelligent deduction.
When you have shit like the Silver Skulls, Blood Ravens (all but known loyal bands from traitor legions), saying that the loyal legions had NO TRAITORS AT ALL is foolish at the least.

>>52104058
>cuucked
This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

>>52107235
>rails against intelligent deduction.
This really. I mean, I hate nufluff as much as the next guy with taste. But really, why get so butthurt at the idea that some loyalist legions had tratiors during the Horus Heresy? It makes sense, and technically, as far as I recall, nothing in the best fluff says they didn't.

The Dark Angels are notable because it was a sizable chunk and took their homeworld with them.

Can someone explain the whole Dark angels thing to me? It's honestly confusing as fuck and I've no clue if they are good or bad

>>52107377
>"loyalist" chapter
>re-painted their armor
They were opportunists waiting to see how things panned out.

>>52107235
>>52107305

>Factually false, and rails against intelligent deduction.

It doesn't matter. It feels wrong and that's that.

>>52107377
Past lore did not say what the DAs were doing during the Siege of Terra, and dropped hints and rumors that the Lion was waiting to see who won that people like >>52107398 took as factual truth, on top of a lot of fancanon taken as fact (see everything about GKs before 5e for example).
It is literally a case of "What I thought in my head as true has been proven false, and I'm mad".

>>52107403
>muh feelings

You should post about this on your tumblr page.

>>52107503
So where is the lion now then? And who exactly are the fallen?

>>52107600
The fallen are the remaining 50% if the Legion the turned on the Lion and the imperium. The Lion is currently in a coma in the deepest depths of the rock, waiting to be awoken

What if during the duel between Lion and Luther, Luther's psychic scream that ended the fight did so by binding the Lion's soul to the sword and Cypher is carrying it to the Emperor for him to return the Lion's soul to his body and return?

>>52107722
Wow, that actually sounds kinda cool

>>52107670
>Implying Lion isn't a traitor primarch
>Implying the fallen aren't loyalists

>>52107728

Would explain why Cypher is so skilled, he's being guided by the Lion.

>>52104759
>they wear white after memorial day
Well I guess we have to ready the cyclonic torpedoes.

>>52107746
Honestly, this was a funny meme for the first 4 months and now in so massively sick of it. GW just needs to hurry up and solve it once and for all I don't even care what end of the pendulum they end up on anymore

>>52107760
It seems Cypher also has mass amounts of luck, like guns jamming and master marksman missing

>>52107722
Explains why Gillman doesn't like the blade.

>>52107722
Would be an exciting book to have in the Post-Gathering Storm series, with the Dark Angels arriving on Terra hunting down Cypher and Cypher trying to get into the throne room. End it off with him being successful and the Lion awakening.

>Primarch and Custodes know about the Fallen
Are the Dark Angels going to 'dissapear' them?

>>52104145
How did he escape the Custodes, the literal bodyguard of the Emperor? If he could escape from then, the next scene should be them opening up the doors and spotting Cyrus plunging the sword into the Emperor. Either killing him or freeing him.

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>>52107746
>>Implying Lion isn't a traitor primarch
>>Implying the fallen aren't loyalists

>>52107955
>This fallen angel champion seeks seeks mighty imperials to slay
Totally the loyalists.

>>52107861
>>Primarch and Custodes know about the Fallen
Nope, they just recognize them as Dark Angels.
Also, fluff mentioned DA fighting together with the rest of Imperium forces

>>52107955
>at least two Fallens are nigger
What the...

>>52106710

No.

>>52107305

If it wasn't supposed to be a character or cultural flaw on the part of the Dark Angels, it kind of does show how badly thought out part of them and the Heresy originally were. To just automatically say that every Loyalist Legion was down with the Emperor and had no defectors or renegades and vice versa.

>>52107937

Magic.

Really though it seems implied that someone or something is helping Cypher.

>>52108007
>seeks seeks
Who let the rats in?

>>52108015
They still had contact with the Fallen. That alone can get you dissapeared.

>>52104058
I wish hiroshimoot would add "cuck" to the word filter.

>>52108215
Does it upset you that much?

>>52108266
I'm just saying, if s m h, t b h and f a m, deserved it, then by this point "cuck" sure as hell does too.

>>52108266

Not that Anon, but it's overused too much and usually to the detriment of discussion.

>>52108345
>>52108349
But word filters don't actually change anything.
You'll just find a new word that bothers you, words are never the problem.

>>52108266
I've barely ever seen a post using it containing anything but baiting and shitposting.

>>52107955
This is the edgiest shit ever.

>>52108410

They force people to find new words and then you filter those and so on.

I always used to think that Something Awful did filtering for humor purposes, but it has a practical purpose too.

>>52108410
If it gives me half the joy I felt watching people's reactions to baka desu senpai, it'll be worth it. It might be fleeting, but all good things are.

>>52108494
>They force people to find new words

No they don't.
Most of the time people simply use the filtered words to convey the same intention.
When cuck was filtered to kek you always knew the intention.

>>52108552

I haven't seen people use desu, baka, or senpai in quite some time. Would just need to similarly change cuck to such a word instead of a similar one like kek.

>>52108568
>I haven't seen people use desu, baka, or senpai in quite some time.

Because memes come and go. Some have better stay power, but the word filter did not stop anything.

>>52108568
>I haven't seen people use desu, baka, or senpai in quite some time
That's just you.

>>52108597
Agreed, I see it a fair bit. And I'm not even in the weeb threads.

>>52108655
>>52108597
>>52108585
'Course it didn't stop anything, but it did noticably reduce the spam. Do you not remember just how overused that phrase was?

>>52108030
>dindu nuffin

Im trying to find the 49k thread to dowload the third book, but I can't find it. Can someone link me the thread or the mega folder?

>>52108673
Maybe I just missed it because I was in training over the summer, but I don't notice it any more or less these days than the same time last year. Meme or not, summer does lead to an influx of that sort of crap.

>>52107955
So loyal!

>>52106356
Generally, it's labor day. The rule is to not wear white after the summer months, as white is supposed to be a color for warm weather. It's one of those silly fashion rules, I think it has to do with the American South's cultural traditions in some manner. Nobody takes it super seriously outside the country club set.
>>52106391
At long last, they will have chosen the RIGHT PATH.

>>52108694
40K* I mean

>>52108673
>but it did noticably reduce the spam.

No it didn't.
We just got spammed by new words and additionally had "wtf but I typed x" posts for a while afterwards.

>>52108741
Well, not in the long term, sure. In the short term it was a breath of fresh air, though. With this site being how it is nowadays, that's about as much as you can reasonably ask for.

>>52105037
> Citation Needed.
No mention in HH Badab Wars of either Astral or Tiger Claws being smurf descended as far as I recall.

>>52108942
Stop being a little bitch

>>52108942
>In the short term it was a breath of fresh air

I disagree.
All that was different was a momentary confusion. "Is senpai a new meme? Oh wait, it's just a word filter never mind."

>With this site being how it is nowadays, that's about as much as you can reasonably ask for.

We could ask for you to grow a thicker skin.

>>52109008
No, fuck you. Word filters are Fun.

>>52104534
I hope not, shitty chaos pirate oooOOOoooo scury

>>52107955
Sorry, but Lion was 100% loyal.

Also some of those Fallen are loyal too. Most are a mystery, and some are either loyal to none or full Chaos.

Which begs the question on how they are still together.

>>52109169
I thought the whole point with the Fallen is that they're NOT 'together', they're scattered throughout the galaxy and EOT and while occasionally individuals might join together temporarily when threatened they mostly go their own way.

>>52109169
Apparently Fallen can't ally with daemons so the corrupted ones are Chaos Lite at best.

>>52109224
Oh.

Though some Fallen do stick together.

>>52109242
So that's that then...

>>52107955
I wish this was true.
I always loved "the fallen are the true loyalists" thing.

>>52108030
They're called the DARK Angels for a reason anon.

>>52106957
We'll just look at the backpack on his new model. Looks like mek work to me.

So is it too early to start begging for the epub?

>>52108030
The fuck you talking about?

DA have always been native American.

>>52107235
The Silver Skulls are descended from the Ultramarines via an unknown founding, heretic.

>>52113728
>DA have always been native American.

No.
The native American influence came later.

>>52113935
Wait what? I hardly notice it if there is one

>>52104145
>Guilliman breaking promises
How the mighty have fallen

>>52114471
Guilliman didn't break any promise.
He never said he'd take Cypher to the Throne immediately.
Or that he'd let him in there with his sword.

>>52114523
>in exchange for that Rob promised to take Fallen to Golden Throne

>>52109350
The HH series is making it sound like the Lion was loyalist after all.

I have a feeling that the secret is that the loyalist Dark Angels are the ones that got whisked away by the warp storm. Luther's boys then felt bad, repented, and created the Dark Angels + successors that we all know and love in the 40k setting. Now they hunt the Fallen in case one of them spills the beans.

It's certainly a more serious secret than "the OTHER half of our legion went traitor", which (momentarily) happened to the White Scars. But it might not work because all the ships around Caliban were on the loyalist side, afaik.

>Hey guys! the plot is advancing, old secrets will be revealed...lolno, joking

>>52114591
He said if Cypher tries to pull of something funny he is going to pay for it.

>>52114601
>The HH series is making it sound like the Lion was loyalist after all.
It's come right out and all but said it.

So we still don't know what's the deal with Cypher and now is official all Fallen are scum?

>>52114591
But he didn't say he'd take him right away, or do so freely.

>>52114651
>all Fallen are scum?

Not all.

>>52107937
>How did he escape the Custodes, the literal bodyguard of the Emperor?

This is what Cypher always does, it's his gimmick

>>52114591
>immediately

>>52114740
Doesn't escaping kind of go against every bit of Astartes training?

>>52114929
no? Astartes are highly valuable tacticool soldiers. Of course they evade when the situation is too far against them.

Besides, Cypher is one of the Fallen and has been on the run for a millenia

>>52114953
Eh... I just can't see an Ultramarine or a Vlka Fenryka acting like that but I guess dark angels aren't held to as high a standard as them.

>>52115009
>I just can't see an Ultramarine or a Vlka Fenryka acting like

Ultramarines are the EPITOME of tacticool, the fuck you on about?

Space Marines don't have a fear response, and many of their operations hinge on their superior firepower, training, and tactics carrying the day. This is why you almost never see them running away. But they are perfectly capable of performing a tactical retreat when absolutely necessary and Ultramarines would be the first to point this out alongside citation of where it says you should do this in the Codex Astartes.

>>52114929

Cypher is a 30k marine not a 40k marine. Marines were wimps and fodder back then.

>>52115095
What? Marines were more Ramboish back then because they had 80,000 backups so marine lives didn't matter

>>52115009
>Eh... I just can't see an Ultramarine
In Chapter's Due Ultramarines painted themselves red and removed imperial signs to sneak trough chaos marines, Codex Astartes teaches you to be smart and not an idiot.

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>>52115049
>>52115178
YOU'RE CODEX A SHIT

>>52114471
well, he took him to the throne

he just arrested him upon reaching it

>>52115200
The Space Wolves are charicatures of stereotypes of Viking Warriors, They're the epitome of 'axe idiots', and only stay alive due to snowflake power.

>>52115229
Keep telling yourself that smurf

>>52107955
>brother namaer
>recites names
Godamnit at least get a thesaurus.

>>52114380
A long time ago, 2nd edition ago, there was a short story published called Deathwing that outlined how the da had been recruiting from a native american themed world for a while as the rock floated around space. They returned as terminator marines to induct new recruits, the world was infested with genestealers, they painted their armour white and called themselves the deathwing as per the old traditions of their people and killed the genestealers. The chapter carried on their tradition from then, some models incorporating feather tokens on their terminators. Later, this was reinterpreted/merged with being hussars/tutonic knights on the raven wing, and mostly retconed into just being knights because it wasn't the 90s anymore and no one gave a shit about natives.

>>52108097
hehehehehe. I thought the same thing.

>>52115392
rip two heads talking and my main battle brother weasel fierce

>>52115317
I didn't even see that, what lark

>>52114929
>Doesn't escaping kind of go against every bit of Astartes training?

No. That's the reason they can spit acid.

>>52115009
>Eh... I just can't see an Ultramarine or a Vlka Fenryka
>>52115200

In the Ragnar novels the Space Wolves dress up as Orks and have street races to escape.

>>52115818

They spit acid to help digest the brains they eat in order to gain memories.

>>52115818
>>52116002
Why do they spit acid if all but named characters and Space Wolves wear helmets and they both think that its a cowardly tactic?

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>>52116358

I got you, senpai.

SW don't use helmets because they're drooling retards and can't get it through the handy acid spitting hole.

>>52107955
>The Red Whisper seeks to slay the greatest beasts he can in the Lion's name.

:thinking:

>>52116408
Where did the Vlka Fenryka touch you anon?

>>52116358
>Why do they spit acid

To escape.
If captured a marine can use his acid spit to burn through restraints and chew through bars and the like.
It's for utility more than combat.

>>52116450

SW don't use helmets because they're handsome man-gods and don't need acid to defeat their pathetic foes.

>>52116456
You really think the Emperor had them escaping from captivity in mind when he encoded that into their DNA?

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>>52113935
>The native American influence came later.

This is correct.

>>52113935
>Wait what? I hardly notice it if there is one

Uh, feathers? It's more obvious in First and Second Edition lore, but it's still there.

One of the worlds the Dark Angels recruited from had a population who lived much like the Native Americans of the ancient past. There culture was all but wiped out by a Genestealer Cult.

>>52116581
Yes

>>52116586
Well if it's supposed to be there I really think it's been terribly done compared to other chapters/legions

>>52116581
Yes.

>>52116607
Its not suppose to be there anymore. Knights sell better than injuns. Only grogs remember.

>>52104775
Oh, shit, Fatey shows up? Is he coolin it?

>>52116637
He captures Guilliman after an elaborate spell.
But he fucks up and doesn't see Skarbrand coming.
Then he bitches out and won't fight Guilliman.

>>52114601
>>52114628
It's not 100%, even the book where Lion turns down fateweaver's proposal has him err on loyalty to the Emperor (but NOT to the Imperium).

Also fateweaver says that he had met the Lion before yet Lion had no recollection of this event. Emps was up to some dodgy shit with chaos even after the birth of the primarchs.

>>52115154
Law of conservation of Space Marines. The power level of a space marine is inversely proportional to the number of space marines in existence.
Plus modern marines have to make due with shittier equipment, and have far more advanced training regimens and hypno-indoctrination.

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>>52116607
It's all up in the air as to if it even happened now, or if it's just an allegory used to slowly tell marines of what happened at Caliban.
Personally, I think it's both.

For example, this deathwing banner supposedly represents two heads talking with the destruction of the genecult city behind him. Or, is the fallen angel Lion with his broken sword at his side during the destruction of Caliban?

>>52117199

It is the year 49,999. The Imperium has fallen -- mankind, extinct. Yet there is one noble warrior who still struggles on. So long as he fights, humanity lives on in him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsfjHCFosw

>>52106606
You know, normally I'm not a Rowboat man. And normally I'm actually in favor of people choosing the dumbest actions in this universe in order to drive even more conflict.
But I honestly really like that quote.

>>52116633
>>52117272
Thanks I've only been reading lore since late 6th ed and haven't started playing since last year

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>>52116358
>Why do they spit acid
spite

Also because it's a cool skill for a survivalist super soldier to have. If for some reason their weapons are compromised and they want to deal with something from a distance, they can go all (fake, jurrasic park) dilophosaurus on it.

>>52108096

>Really though it seems implied that someone or something is helping Cypher.

Probably the result of a certain bored Necron dicking around again.

>>52117905
>your chapter's genetic mutation causes neck frills