best way to get started in mtg?

>>52094730
I'll bite.

Google search 'magic color pie' and follow the rabbit hole to decide which colors you like the gist of.

Browse magiccards.info 's advanced search to find cards by set, color, creature types etc.

Find a local store, play casually with friends. Maybe make some at the store.
If you decide you'd like to try competitive play do some research into what Standard is, and maybe Modern.
It's possible you'll want to keep casual, and Commander/Pauper might be more up your alley.

>>52094730
Give Magic Duels a spin just to get a grasp of the basic rules, I find their teaching tools pretty good.

If you're still on board, there's always Prerelease next month.

Don't.

/ thread

>>52094730
Go to your lgs and ask about sample decks so you can try your best with friends or other newbies. Don't be shy and ask about tips, games etc. Duel decks used to be good and balanced deals for newbies. Don't go with planeswalkers decks - they are deaigned to be a shit

In a similar vein, how does a Macfag MTGO?

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>>52097986
>/threading your own post

>>52094730
Look up the basics.
Play one of the many MTG videogames.
And then:

Play cube and draft and sealed. If you're gonna play a constructed format, stick to Commander with a group of friends.

>>52098679
Install Windows

>>52098963
>/threading your own post
Can you actually tell that some how?

>>52098679
Install Gentoo

Buy two of those starter decks from the card shop. I say two because you'll want to try different shit and having two decks means you can harass people into playing with you even if they don't have any cards.

If you don't know how to play, play one of those duels of the plainswalkers games, I think they are free on steam or whatever. Don't spend any money on them though, save your money for cards.

>>52098679
Play xmage or untap instead of spending IRL money for pixels like a chump

>>52094730
I just started a month ago, so I know where you are at. There is some good advice ITT, and some not so good advice.

First download Duels for your phone to get a basic grasp of the rules.

2nd find out if there is an active community that is accessible to you. if not I guess ur gonna have to play online with untap or xmage. Don't invest in cards if there is no one to play with.

Third, Buy a precon commander deck. Sleeves, and a box that will fit 100 sleeved cards.

when you start to figure things out. Buy singles online

DONT:
Buy packs
buy a toolkit
netdeck until u really have a grasp of what you wanna play

These are a few of the mistakes I made, now I have a ton of useless bulk, Modern decks that are unplayable, and deck boxes too small for my shit.

>>52100025
This is the dumbest post I've ever read on 4chan. 10/10 laughed out loud

>>52094730
DO NOT BUY FUCKING BOOSTER PACKS.
Then play commander and modern/legacy. Gj: you started the right way.

>>52094730
luckily, my friends all played pretty casual kitchen table stuff when I got into it

I just made a deck from single commons and played them with that until I started to get a grasp on the rules

blue + 1 other color is the easiest to build using shitty cards and not get completely steamrolled

>>52094730
>best way to get started in mtg?
knowing what format your group is playing.

>>52100400
This is terrible advise. I'm shocked and surprised how awful it is and disappointed that someone told you all this nonsense. Magic is about having fun and the rules are super intuitive if you play with a couple of people at a flgs.

Drafts are a good cheap way to play some magic and have fun. $15 gets you like 3 packs worth of cards and you get to keep your money card so everything works out. It's a good way to learn to play because decks are of relatively equal power level.

Commander is fun, super duper fun and my format of choice, but don't go balls deep unless you have friends to play with. Some people play much stronger decks than others and a precon is usually a good start, but you'll quickly want to upgrade. Packs are also fun to open, but they aren't the most cost effective option, particularly for commander. That being said, $150 for a box of a new set isn't THAT much in the scheme of things, considering some format staples are more expensive. Depending on your playgroup, you should either buy packs and have fun with some beers, or start researching singles and planning your deck out. Don't netdeck a full deck, you won't get it, some will crush playgroups, while others will be expensive and terrible, but you'll have no idea.

Don't get into standard or modern unless you have a TON of money, let alone legacy. Pick a colour or two that you like and build a deck that you think fits the bill. /edh/ is a nice place if you ignore the shitposters.

>>52100619
What is terrible advice, you literally just repeated most of the things I suggested, except to play Draft, which IS bad advice.

OP dont play draft yet. You wont know what you are doing and will draft something shitty and lose and have bulk to take home. Wait till you have an understanding of the game before you try to create your own deck impromptu from boosters.

1) hand wallet to WoTC
2) grab ankles and bite lip

Come play games with me, I'll show you how. Oregon represent.

>>52100227

>Buy a starter deck.

Just wait for the new block to start and get a free welcome deck.

>>52100863

I think draft is good for new players, but not booster draft. Look for a LGS that has a cube draft or a pauper draft going on so they can learn the basics of deckbuilding, get some cheap commons to start using in the decks and not pay 15 bucks for it.

>>52100863
Anon, I didn't recommend an app to learn to play Magic and "bulk" is my favorite deck building resource. The best find of my life were two giant boxes of commons/uncommons from MM through Tenth edition, particularly since I play commander. Pauper is a thing, and there's nothing intrinsically wrong with buying packs, unless you're broke and need to manage your allowance.

Draft is fine because it's explicitly casual. Just tell someone you're brand new, and as long as you can shuffle your deck and understand the extreme basics, most people are nice and will explain everything. The best way to learn is through practical application combined with trial and error. What's the worst that would happen? Some snarky Fuck would call a judge and the judge would be delighted to explain things.

And while $15 is a lot in terms of a single, for the price of a mediocre lunch you get to meet new people and potentially find a playgroup while learning to play.

>>52101244

>mediocre lunch
>15 bucks

Sorry bro, not everybody here is a Rockfeller and has to spend over 15 dollars for a good meal. Where are you living, LA?

>>52094730

Download "Magic Duels" on Steam, it's free to play and will teach you the basics.

>>52101267
>Good meal
>$15
Where do you live and what the hell do you eat? I live in Toronto, so in US bucks you're looking at $12ish, which is still like fastfood hell. Chain sit-down restaurants and local burger stands are in the $15 range, and a real meal is going to cost you $20 basically everywhere, let alone if you get a beer. Even if I cook I'm spending more than that.

>>52101331

Brazil, a good plate of food goes from anything around 5-10 american dollars, many times even less, because I'm including drink price.

>>52101346
So, you're saying you get sunshine, cute girls, cheap food AND liquor? Well, I have... a river that sometimes has Canadian Geese. They're real assholes but in the winter basically everything dies so they fuck off, which isn't so bad.

>>52100400

>Starting MtG with a commander deck

What? how does that even work? Start from the fucking start, with a 60 card deck, preferrably a welcome deck, then go from there.

Commander is for when you are already tired/used to the usual MTG match and you want to expand to a different game approach.

>>52100619

Ok, this dude is trying to be a bro but this is terrible advice for new players. Net decking IS a fantastic way to learn how to play magic and to grasp basic synergy.

Draft is not that great of a suggestion because newbs literally have no idea how to build a deck. Most people don't like being thrusted into a situation that will likely leave them confused and frustrated.

It would be the equivalent of trying to DM before ever playing a campaign. It's doable but probably not very fun for most people.

Original persons advice is best. Boosters are a waste of money for new players who want to just get down to business. Nothing can scare a new player away more than dumping $100 on a booster box and then realizing they can't even make a working deck out of pulls.

Your points are good but misguided.

>>52101410

>Netdecking
>Before even knowing the basics

Draft solves that easily, just don't start with booster draft.

Also, don't LGSs make started decks for new players anymore? Or even demo decks with some of the more commons mechanics to showcase the game?

>>52101331
$15 is a pretty good lunch in Santa barbara where shit ain't exactly cheap.

>>52101244
You are either retarded or trolling

>don't play a game that will teach you the mechanics of the game you want to play

>buy shitloads of worthless cards

>buy packs of shitloads of RANDOM useless cards

>play a format where u spend even more money to lose with a deck of useless cards you have to construct in a game you have no idea how to play because you didnt even play duels first.

OP if you do anything from this thead DO NOT listen to this guy.

Ofc someone who thinks $15 is a mediocre lunch is going to suggest throwing all your money down the toilet for stacks of literally penny cards

kys

>>52100619
>don't get into standard unless you have money
I'm relatively new to the game, been playing since KLD came out. my standard deck is worth maybe $25 and I've recently been going 3/1 at my LGS at FNM.

>>52101408
wat no. Modern you are gonna get demolished if you don't spend $300 on some bullshit archtype that is this month's necessity.

Commander is casual and a lot more forgiving to decks that are half assed put together.

>>52101381
>>52101331
Yeah bud. Restaurant industry where we live has gone the way of the new yorker. If I wasn't basically enslaved to the safety of Canada's healthcare system, and a patriot, I'd have moved away from our winter and frumpy slatterns a long time again.

That said, you should absolutely be able to cook a wonderful meal on $20. Hell, I can do a solid one on $5.

>>52101477

Who the fuck said modern?

Kitchen sink deck with cheapo, but useful cards for starters. Mono-green, burn, etc.

You don't expect to just throw someone in the game straight into competitive, do you?

Let the guy play the game first before getting destroyed by the whole politicking and format shenanigans.

Also, yes Commander is casual, but it doesn't explain how the core game is actually played. It's like trying to say you should learn about how to play warhammer through bloodbowl. Yes, they are technically played the same pieces, but they are very different gameplaywise.

>>52101477

That's just straight up wrong. I've been playing for 15 years and modern is probably the second best format wizards has made in that time. Is it expensive? It can be, you can easily be competitive for less than $100 bucks. Burn and white weenie is a mainstay for a reason.

Bad troll or retarded poster.

>>52101552
>you can easily be competitive for less than $100 bucks
Not if you're new

>>52101441
Really? Neat. I stratify things into cheap (mcdicks) mediocre (burritos and local stuff) good (the best burger places, craft restaurants) and great (fancy places I can't afford) so I may be biased.

>>52101444
You seem upset and very young. If you're playing with friends, don't spike your playgroup or you're not going to have friends. Buying packs is fun, particularly if your friends are doing the same thing and you're all about the same level. That magical time is fleeting, don't waste it because the internet said you should buy Leovold.

Drafts aren't "throwing your money down the toilet", you're opening packs in a controlled environment and, as a new player, people will literally give you stuff for free that they don't want. That isn't even including the access you get to the community and the learning opportunity, particularly since there's very little at risk or investment required. I don't understand why you're some broke ass penny pinching miser , but cards can become better over time, and buying an autistic list of singles for a deck is a recipe for disappointment if you don't have a playgroup, and barely understand how it works.

Like I've been saying $15 is not a lot of money for a night out with people who are interested in your hobby, and the recent sets have been very good at common/uncommon dating back to SOI. I'm sorry you're a gatewatch/biz baby with a pile of garbage but that sucks, get over it and use some of your "bulk" cards. They aren't all winners, but some things aren't all bad.

>>52101521
That would be decent advice if OP already had a play group that would forgiving to a kitchen sink deck. Otherwise he is going to show up to the LGS and hate magic after a couple of hours of playing against some constructed shit that isnt kitchen sink.

I just started and went straight to commander. Much more fun and offers a lot more freedom for beginner deck building. Commander is not that complicated.

If he absoletely had to start with 60 cards, I would maybe suggest getting the duel decks and having whoever plays you use the other one, so you both have equal footing and a fun match.

>>52101613

>because burn is expensive AND complicated

Confirmed troll who has no idea what he's talking about.

>>52101632
>it's another crossboard poster gets mad and calls everyone a troll episode
Nothing to see here folks, move on.

>>52101614
>If you win against your friends you lose

ofc this fucking fag is Canadian.

>buying the cards you actually need instead of random shots in the dark is autistic

kys

>>52101651

>shit he's onto me, I need to shit post harder.

Ya I thought so.

>>52101632
Dude the guy is completely new to the game. You cannot throw them into the deep end of the modern format, even with a playable competitive deck without the basics down.

>>52101662
>>52101666
How is this helpful to a new player? At least articulate yourself if you must post, acting like a teenager just makes you look like a teenager trying to be cool.

>>52101552
You are still missing the point. Probably because you have been playing for 15 years and forgot what it feels like to be new. OP isnt gonna want to invest $100 right of the bat for a decent burn deck just to figure out if he likes the game or not.

>>52094730
Play casual

>>52101683
How is saying it is autistic to buy good cards helpful to anyone?

srsly kys

>>52101673

Modern is great for new players, shit I wish I had modern when I started all I had was 1.5. Playing burn is a fantastic way to learn how to play magic. It's as simple as draw and hurl spells to the face. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but I know it's a bad one.

>>52101707
It's autistic to buy the hundreds of dollars of good cards necessary to play with them, when you don't even know of you like magic, particularly when you first can have fun and meet new people for $15 a pop.

>>52101624

Wow, anon. It's seems like you live in a shit place where people only play hardcore comp decks.

Some LGS have decks specifically for newbies to learn the game and play againist other people.

Duel Decks are fine, but It's a big commitment if you are just testing the waters for the game. I'd never spend 15-20 bucks on a game I have no reason to believe will be my thing. I'd get stuck with 60 playing cards I'll never use or I'll have to sell out to somebody.

Starting on commander is fucking dumb. It has a completely different pacing, tactics and gameflow than any other 60 cards format.

You deckbuild in a different way, you play in a different curve, cards that work well in commander would be massively OP in 60 cards or completely useless, depending on how it works.

Optimally, his first MTG "purchase" should be the free welcome decks. Get one of those, play a few games on your local LGS and then you decide if you want to spend/invest any more time or money in the game.

>>52101624
What? Commander is shit.
At least let them play normal magic and then if they actually hate magic they can play the made up wankfest format.

>>52101699

THIS. People here either forget or are too deep into the game to remember that formats are pointless for people that don't care about anything competitive.

Kitchen Sink should always be the starting "format"

>>52101713
>the best way to learn magic is to completely ignore parts of it

There's a reason one of the first things taught in the magic games is how to attack and how to block with creatures.

>>52101786

Being competitive is not the only reason to play a format. Playing a format is the best way to meet new players and learn how the game is played. Shit picking a judge's brain is the best thing a new player can do and I've never met a judge that doesn't love introducing new players.

>>52101759
This is why I suggested playing the app first to see if its something you are interested it. After that $15 for a precon or $30 for EDH precon is reasonable.

Far more reasonable atleast, than people trying to thrust him into draft where he will be clueless, or investing in bulk where he will also be clueless about deck building. At least with a precon u can get an idea of how things interact.

Sure what you said about EDH is true, but I don't think it makes it any more complicated. It just all depends on your local groups, and where Im from EDH is a lot more forgiving to newer players. I dont even think LGS's even have casual modern, pretty much any time its being played is for keeps.

>>52099778
>If you're gonna play a constructed format, stick to whatever one appeals to you the most, as you're fun is your own, with a group of friends.

Fixed that for you.

>>52101832
That still seems like a better second step, after getting the very most basic things down with friends.
For some people that's not an option, sure, but playing casual with buddies works for learning and is plenty of fun. Heck, it's how most people (who don't post online about it) play the game.

>>52101806

>implying burn runs no creatures. I didn't literally mean throw every spell to the face. Hsve you never piloted a burn deck? I feel like you have never once played an actual format.

>>52101837

> I dont even think LGS's even have casual modern

They have here, seems like you live in a shit place.

Also, playing online is completely different from playing the app. In terms of game pace, in terms of library, card selection, etc.

No, EDH is a alternative format. It's not more "complicated" but it's a terrible way to learn base magic.

If you are going for a precon, get the precon that's already free. The Welcome Decks.

>>52101832

>Playing a format is the best way to meet new players

No, playing MAGIC is the best way to meet players. The guy is fresh new, he doesn't even know what a format is and why he needs to get into one.

Also not every store has a judge on hand to help people.

>>52094730
play draft for the complete experience of mtg.
you get to :
crack packs
make a deck
play the deck

Every game will be different than the last game you play, both your deck and your opponent's deck.

>>52101840

Nice fix.

>>52101267
>>52101331
What the fuck are you guys doing?

I can get a solid meal for about 5-7 Dingo Dollars (australian currency)

>>52101879
I think a lot of people ITT are assuming OP has friends that play magic.

If he did he wouldn't be posting here asking hot to get into it.

>>52101919

You don't get into magic without friends to play with or a LGS to play with randos.

Only way to get into magic solo is through the app, through places like here or the MTGO, but that's a MASSIVE jump for noobs.

>>52101919
I wouldn't recommend getting into Magic alone ever.

Get into Magic to play Magic with your friends you already have; do NOT try to find friends in Magic. I can only imagine some people are near shit stores or shit communities and just come away from Magic feeling like they wasted their time and money and lost a bit of faith in humanity when they see how this game is managed.

>>52101942

Terrible advice. Magic is fun with or without friend support. It's actually a great way to meet new friends.

>>52101967

Did you miss "LGS to play with randos"?

You know, if you talk to randos, they may end up turning into friends. You need a place to play the game and it's usually someones house or the LGS.

Where else someone with no friends that play MTG would start to play MTG in the real world?

>>52101967
This

I got into it alone and met some nice people because of it. Im just lucky that I knew IRL friends that played it before I got into it, but they live far away now, even tho now I have access to a ton of great advice.

But still, when Im physically playing, its with randos.

>>52100025
He's not saying >>52097986 is OP (you can't tell that unless there is only one poster in the thread). He's saying it's bad form for you to give a statement, and then say /thread about it.

You give the statement, and someone else will /thread if applicable.

>>52101898
They should know what a good deck looks like before they start trying to make them by scratch. Draft is good once you know more about curve stuff and how to evaluate cards.

>>52102027
>>52101967

Here guys, let me spell it out for you: >>52102002

>>52101331
Another leaf here.

Food is way cheaper stateside, think like half price. You might pay $15 for GST food here. In the States that $15 will get you like sit down, Kelsey's quality food.

>>52101408
Normies really, really like Commander for some reason. I think it's the slower gameplay style and lack of thought needed for deck construction that attracts them. The casual players at my work absolutely refuse to ever bring or even build a 60 card deck. This especially sucks considering I don't have a purse to hold all this shit like they do, my coat pockets are always retardedly full if I want to play Magic. Even the relatively new players who just started with SOI and Kaladesh have no interest in playing what should be the normal fucking game.

>>52101408
Start with commander is good advice.
It's more social, and way more fun that the repetitive drudgery that is 60 card constructed.

I'd advise never playing 1v1 constructed, ever.

Played from 4th - mirrodin. Got back into it around lorwyn. Had way more fun when I started only playing draft and EDH with friends.

>>52101477
Modern can be casual too, literally any format can be casual. It's just a ban list, it doesn't define how strong your deck needs to be to exist.

>>52102117

Yeah anon, your opinion as a jaded old player really fits with the idea of a new guy getting into the game.

Of course Commander appeals to you, you've been playing the damn game for decades now. Commaders was built for people like YOU.

Maybe you are just burned out or asshurt because you can't bear to lose a 1v1 match. It's fine anon, losing is part of the game.

Commander is so clustered and expansive that even when you lose, you don't really feel you lost because of your deck, you lost because of the draw or something else.

The casualness takes off the edge of the loss and it's more comfortable. Which is fine. But it's a terrible idea to START from commander.

Commander is for people like magic judges that are tired of the 60 card format and want to try all the cards that are sub-optimal in constructed. Which is FINE.

Still a shitty way to get INTO magic.

>>52101840
I listed the ones that are fun.

>>52102117
There is nothing more social about Commander, you're still using the same damn trading cards. You can be social in 60 deck formats, there is nothing stopping you.

>>52101913
Canadian food is pricey.

8 bucks gets you a fast food burger and fries and regular drink.

A decent lunch at a dinner is like $15.

>>52101942
I currently live in the middle of nowhere, and only play MTG by myself these days, through Forge.

It can be done.

>>52102002
You could buy duel decks and play them with your roommate.

>>52102106
60 card constructed is not fun.

I wish I knew about commander and cube back in 2004.

>>52102240
60 card constructed is what Magic: The Gathering is all about, you're essentially saying that Magic is not fun.

>>52102213

Cool anon. Do you recommend it to a completely new guy to start MTG solitaire style?

>>52102222

Do roommates don't count as friends? And you'd still be play at someone's house. Your house, I assume, which you would share with said roommate.

>>52102240

Well, commander wasn't really a thing in 2004. also:

>Not fun

I hate to take a page from /v/, but:

>Fun is a buzzword.

>>52102274

He sure is.

>>52102164
When I do play 1v1, I play duel commander, if I don't have time to play limited. (My local playgroup uses both banlists so the decks have to be valid in either EDH format) - the difference is mostly fast mana, but there are a couple commanders not allowed, too.

On occasion, when we want to mix things up, planechase decks and vanguard cards come out.

And it's not because I can't take losing, it's because 60 card constructed is so consistent I find it boring as shit.

>>52102192
The social comes from the fact that you almost never see someone play commander with less than 4 people.

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>>52102274
>Magic
>fun

>>52102298

Well, I think a new player will be interested in how constructed decks works for a little while.

IF then he decides constructed is too boring for him, THEN he jumps to commander.

>>52102317

You do in matches where people don't want to play for over 1 hour per round.

Also, you know you can play constructed 2v2, right?

>>52102317
Not everyone can go to a big city LGS all the time. Whenever I play Commander it's usually either 1v1 or in groups of three or four.

>>52102274
>1v1 60 card constructed is what magic is all about.
>You're essentially saying magic is not fun.
Based on your premise, yes.

I'd more phrase it as:
>"the most common way to play magic is the least fun way to play magic."

I disagree with your assertion that commander and limited are "not magic".

They're the fun ways to play magic.

>>52102283
>Do you recommend playing MTG Vidya for newbies?
Yeah, so long as they don't have to jump through the hoops to make forge work. One of the other videogames would be a good way to learn the basics. The classic videogame in shandalar was a hell of a lot of fun.

>>52102283
I was suggesting duel decks for you and a friend/roommate to learn the game together. For if you don't know anyone who already plays.

>>52102363
>>52102326
>>52102240

Jesus, have I stumbled into /v/?

Can you guys use another word to explain why anybody should get into magic through commander without just saying "fun"?

The only real argument in the thread for commander in this thread besides fun is the fact that constructed decks are more consistent than commander decks. Which, I think, most people would consider a good point for constructed when you deck works as it's supposed to.

>>52102363
It's literally not Magic though, it's just an alternative version of it most people play on the side. This is like saying you love Mario Party when you never play the actual game and just mess around on the mini game selection screen.

>>52102195
damn dude, that sucks.
Granted, I was talking about just a pizza for one and a frozen coke or something, so nothing fancy, but still.

Feels for you, brah.

To be fair though, theres heaps of shit over here thats unjustifiably expensive.
Look at video game prices or Gee-Dubs stuff or even mtg to a degree. It's all bullshit

>>52102359
I haven't played MTG at an LGS in a decade. People come over to my house to game, typically it's my D&D group. The ones who didn't play magic before play with proxies decks around the same card value as those of us with real cards, and 2 of us taught the rest how to play.

>>52102407

It depends on duel decks. Some pairings are really one-sided like Allies vs Eldrazi (towards Eldrazi) and Nissa vs Ob ( towards Ob).

The welcome decks are still the best option.

>>52102457
Although Blessed vs. Cursed is dope, balance-wise.

>>52102436
Booze is also crazy expensive here. Like, $30 for 12 domestic beer (BC). In Ontario it was a bit cheaper, like $45 for 24 domestic beer.

>>52102483

But, I still think duel decks aren't the best option for FRESH new players to learn by themselves.

The Welcome Decks have pretty simple cards with the iconic keywords of each color (Trample for green, Vigilance for White, etc.) and come with a rules sheet that explains how the turns work, spell speed, etc.

>>52102425
Normalscum don't like having to think about deck construction and just want to throw their epic xD draft chaff into a pile and play it. Putting a deck together isn't even fun for them, it's work. The mere thought of having to come up with a balanced amount of creatures and removal, a cool combo to build around, or even a damn synergos theme within the constraints of 60+ cards hurts their brains.

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>>52102457
>the canonicaly more powerful factions have better theme decks.

>>52102518
I don't know who you are but you posted my favorite doujin with my favorite loli ass, well done.

>>52102518

I get it but, correct me if I'm wrong, the idea of the duel decks is for 2 players to be able to play a mostly balanced match where each player has a similar chance to win and decks built to cancel each other mechanically.

These 2 examples completely miss the mark and just makes it a frustrating uphill battle for the deck that's canonically weaker.

I don't think WotC care that much about lore consistency and it's more likely they just fucked the balance.

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>people shilling commander because it's more "fun" and "social"
if you want to get into magic purely to have fun why not just make your own cards and play with those?

>>52102579

That's a really situational enchantment. Anti-green stompy?

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>play standard
>spend 40 dollars on a new deck idea
>it's trash

>>52102425
Sure. I'll go into detail as to why I don't play 60 card constructed.

>Your deck plays too similarly every time.
>It's more effective, but also boring.
Matches tend to only be a couple turns long unless someone is running stack or something and not letting anyone else play.

I enjoy neither the few turned matches and low curves, nor the repetitiveness of a deck with 4-ofs in 60 cards.

It feels like too much of the match is about the deck building, and not enough of the match is about the decisions made ingame.

Plus, the low variety of cards required also means a lower variety of cards you see in matches in any given 60 card constructed format.

In short, I simply dislike 60 card constructed. 60 card singleton might be okay though, but I've not seen many people who play that at all.

Drafting is tons of fun though, but repeatedly booster drafting would get expensive, so I'd suggest building a cheap cube if you want to draft regularly, and then building a better cube or improving the cheap one.

>>52102433
The cards are generally designed for draft.

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>>52102589
it's more of a jab at red than a card for playing.

>>52102561
duel decks are also designed around casual new players playing against each other. sure two experienced players will be able to draw out the full potential of each deck and one will be at a clear disadvantage, but duel decks aren't for those players.

>>52102612

Anon, that's all good and all, but the argument isn't why YOU like the format.

The question is: Why commander is a better starting point into magic than the traditional 60 cards format?

While I see your points, why is commander a better way to introduce the game TO new players when it's a limited format withing the franchise itself?

>>52102650
I was quantifying why it's more "fun".

For a newbie, I'd say it's a better introduction than say, standard, for a few reasons:

>It'll be more forgiving as they learn to build a better deck because multiplayer format and singleton.
>And I'd say it's more "fun", for the reasons I described above, which means they're more likely to stick around.
>It's also generally easier to find other players for, especially casuals, who often won't play anything *but* EDH, and may not even own many cards outside their EDH deck.

>>52102486
LOL DUDE WE PAY LIKE 16 - 20 DOLLARS FOR A 6 PACK OF BEER.

Using the first conversion tool I found, apparently the australian dollar is pretty much 1 for 1 with the canadian dollar.

Fuck alcohol is so expensive.

>>52103150
Conversion tools just tell you what funds you can trade your funds for, not how far those funds go inside the country they're from.

>>52094730
Not asking this place for help.

>>52103241
...educate me if im being stupid here...

But if I pay 18AUS for a 6 pack of beer.

and 1 AUS is roughly equal to 1 CAD

and he pays 30CAD for a 12 pack of beer

Am I not paying a greater amount of money for my beverages?

If I can currently trade 30AUS for 30CAD
(30.47 to be precise)
then is it not accurate to say that beer is more expensive here then in canadia land?

>>52103328
Eh, all of that is roughly correct.

I'd be inclined to consider the average/minimum wages as well.

I was just pointing out that conversion rates are not necessarily an indication of buying power.

>>52103328
What are meal prices like in wallabia?

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>>52094730
sell drugs,rob a bank, get MONEY

Normie casual who has been playing for a few weeks and only plays EDH here

You all are fucking retarded argueing that 60 card is better for noobs than EDH, cuz "muh tru magic" and "fun isnt a good reason to play"

Do you realize how autistic this sounds? Its the exact reason people are drawn to EDH

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So, in summary:

Don't buy Precons, Boosters, MtGO, or Duels.

Don't play Standard, Modern, Legacy, Commander, or Kitchen Table.

Don't brew, or netdeck.

Don't draft, don't play constructed.

Canada has good healthcare, but expensive food. Booze is expensive in Canada and Australia.

A new player to MtG (by process of elimination) should build and play a vintage cube.

You want to play sealed to get your hands on some cards and play on an even footing with enfranchised players.

Look up PPTQs for more opportunities to play sealed.

http://www.mtgfinder.com/mtgfinder/

>>52106381

No, you should play cube draft with cheapo cards and get a Welcome Deck as your first deck, since it's free, filled with cards that fit in all the formats and you can take one for you and one for your friend.

>>52105766

Cool, so you only play one format and think you can argue the good point of either one. At least >>52102717 pointed out decent points for his argument.

Commander and maybe Planechase are pretty fun casual formats, but it's hardly the best way to get INTO magic, because magic IS the 60 cards constructed format.

Both commander and Planechase are offshoots that, while entertaining and arguably easier to play and get into than the 60 card constructed format, is still a terrible way to present someone to the game.

You should always have, at least, one 60 card deck if you plan to stay playing magic for any amount of time, EVEN if it's just the welcome/precon decks.

ALSO you guys always forget to mention that, no matter how you cut it, buying a 100 cards precon EDH deck will almost always be more expensive than your average newbie 60 card deck.

It isn't the BEST way to get into a game you barely know about, even if you played the app first.

>>52107510
>Cube draft with cheapo cards.
Agreed. Like, a $50 cube or less, if possible. You can always make a better cube later on.

>Welcome deck
Sure, why not. Free is free.

>Decent points for my argument
Thanks.

>Magic is 60 card constructed.
For some people.
Magic is mostly balanced for draft, and there are probably more EDH players than anything else. So while 60 card constructed was the primary way to play magic for a long time, I'm not convinced that's still the case. (Again, been playing since '96 or so, and deciding not to play 60 card constructed anymore is the best MTG decision I ever made).

>Precon EDH costs more than 60 card precon.
True. But the precon EDH will work much better against people who built their own decks.

>It's not the best way to get into the game.
Matter of opinion. >>52102717 >>52102612 is my position, and my arguments are more than "muh tradition".

>>52097941
Magic Duels doens't run on my PC because for some unknown reason it requires a modern graphics card with DirectX 11 support.

>>52109761
That's unfortunate.

The other MTG games are quite cheap and many are older than magic duels. Forge does a bit less handholding, but you could still learn the game from it, and it's a fan game with most of the cards in the game supported. Doesn't look as pretty as duels though.

>>52109728
You can get full common + uncommon playsets of stuff on eBay for pretty cheap. $30ish plus lands could get you a basic draft set (not singleton).

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Play duels to get a hang of the rules, then go to a prerelease event in a local game (if you have one) to get into a new set.

I fell like people tend to help new players a lot in prereleases, not so much on FNM.

From there, ask around. What do people play on your area, ask for someone to let you try a modern/standard deck.

TL;DR: Duels, prerelease, then socialize and decide what you want to play.