Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52071749
>male feet
REEEE
DELEEETE

>>52071749
You know the big Avowed changes have HAPPENED, right? Pretty sure the OP only even added that line after it updated, too...

>>52071782
???
you care why?

It's just feet.
And it's just a dude.

There's nothing about it beyond "it exists".

>>52071759

Warriors also have D10s and good fort!

Adept has a few interesting spells and good will save

The expert lets you handpick 10 skills as class skill.

Artistocrat is martial + shield proficiency and good will save.

Commoner is comfy

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>>52071787
They've only started happening.

There remains itemization to up the optimization floor of the avowed, in particular.

>>52071749
>>52071787

link to newest update here ithink
>>52070839

>>52071792
This picture is gay porn.

>>52071799
Don't forget: Adept also has a familiar. That probably automatically makes it better than Kineticist.

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>>52071749

If you're curious, this little faggot was my first Dragon PC, and technicaly only Dragon PC. Taninim Cloud Dragon. Adorable little bastard, didn't make it past level 4 due to real life bullshit.

True form pic related.

>>52071819
i specifically told the drawthread "Don't be afraid to make it a little gay. "

So, after all this talk about lewd pathfinder I kinda want to get in on a game like that myself. But I don't have enough uninterrupted time to sit down for several hours and play a game on roll20.

Anyone know a good forum for PbP that both has an active pathfinder community and also allows R to X rated content?

>>52071819

What are you, twelve? He's got pants on.

>>52071837

he does have a very mild case of Yaoi hands

>>52071844
what the fuck is yaoi hands?
is that like the yaoi hole?
I hear some fujoshi believe there's such a thing as a yaoi hole.

but in the end, it's just an anus.

>>52071825
It's obviously not enough that butthurt masters constantly leak into this thread to call Pathfinder gay, you had to indulge them by posting actual gay art as the opening image. Good lad!

>>52071857
It's more like Clamp noodle limbs, in that lots of gay anime characters tend to get drawn with really exaggerated hands so you can see them holding each other and shit.

>>52071861
nice change of pace. Frankly all the lolis and the thicc was a bit exhausting.

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>>52071857

OBSERVE!

>>52071873
Then how about posting some, you know, actual Pathfinder art instead of sexual content for once?

>>52071881

I... don't understand what you mean. Explain it to me.

Daily reminder that using resurrection spells is dumb and they should be removed from every campaign.

>>52071887
I've been wondering what's even there that you could possibly fail to understand, but, in the end, fuck it. Time to hide the thread.

>>52071902

Cya later!

>>52071901
I have players fight tooth and nail out of the outerplains in order to revive. much more involved.

>>52071879

I don't know if this should give a bonus or a penalty to grapple checks.

>>52071924
Bonus to starting penalty to escaping?

>>52071931

bonus for the initial grapple, however -2 to maintain?

>>52071823
I'm curious now, how hard can you optimise the adept?

So Eagle, if in dragon game someone brings a bard with the intention of sexing up literally everything...what stats do I optimize to maximize the chance of knocking up my partners

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>>52071879
those proportions
that QUALITY

/pfg/ likes daddies and traps, but all I want is a pretty boy. HMPH.

>>52071991
completely different person...any way to get boosts to that? or other stats? I'd totally burn a trait to boost it!

>>52072058
hahahaha

no escape

>>52072058
That which is posted.
Can not be unposted

The real answer is. If you bring a character like that in. You won't get in

So what do you have to hide? why erase your post

>>52072097
Maybe it was a multilayered falseflagging operation. I think everyone in this general is well aware that Eagle is a filthy degenerate, so I see no reason he'd hide it. The goal here was not to shame him by giving a response, but to shame him by deleting it!

>>52072140
Well it's not like Eagle uses a trip.

That could have been anyone.

>>52072140
It was probably a jani desu

>Paladin in my party has recently been acting like a Leeroy Jenkins-esque, arrogant glory hound in battle
>The other Paladin in my party argues that he's a protector and defender, he should act like it
>said Paladin argues that hes not a knight, nor protector nor defender, and when asked what is he then, he's a Paladin

Did that actually make sense? I thought when people say Paladin, they are most definitely knights in general, among others

>>52072377
Sounds like someone fell and hasn't been caught yet.

>>52072377
Alignment =/= Personality. There's some truth to his statement, strictly speaking, a Paladin's duty is to be lawful and good. However he acts doesn't matter as long as he upholds the right and the righteous.

Granted, an arrogant glory hound isn't as admirable as a disciplined defender, but it's still a completely valid representation as long as he's lawful good. Paladins are allowed to get drunk, flirt inappropriately, and be general assholes. The problem is when they get drunk and violently, push teasing into harassment, or let their temper get the better of them.

>>52072390
Kind of, my GM for that session even told him to go have a talk with another player because the deity he worships is said player's former character who ascended to godhood.

But still, he hasnt exactly fallen due to not having actually committed anything evil, but he sure is becoming more of an arrogant prick, which is the antithesis of what his NG deity stands for(standard stuff like kindness, mercy, etc)

>>52072407
Problem is that, he's not exactly following the tenets of his deity in this case since his deity is all about kindness, mercy, warmth and all that. So it gives a reaaally bad name among others.

Does that still make him a valid Paladin then?

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Is Carrion Crown any good? I have convinced a couple of my friends to play an actual campaign, but since I don't have an extensive homebrew campaign up my sleeve, I drop them into Carrion Crown, mostly because I started it once as a player but dropped out of it because of all of the edgelords in my party that started murdering the villagers in session 1.

What I would like to know is if it is an okay AP for beginners and a novice GM, or if I should rather pick up another one.

>>52072434
If he's going against his tenets then there's a problem, but it's a question of if. I don't know about the setting and the god here, so I'm not about to make a guess.

>>52072456
I felt like Carrion Crown was one of the better APs when I played it but I wouldn't recommend it for beginners. It's not particularly hard but it has a lot of puzzle encounters and uses haunt rules, so they could wipe pretty early for being inexperienced, or experienced but with the wrong sort of group.
Rise of the Runelords and Curse of the Crimson Throne are the two very recommended starter APs. They each have a single book rerelease, have relatively straight adventures, and avoid any esoteric rules that you might never use again after the adventure.

Hey /pfg/ quick question

Is leveling up as a prestige class basically the same as multiclassing but the class has requirements?

I'm new to the game

Tell me about Investigators. I want to play an potions and science theme, but the Alchemist class ain't doing it for me with all the best features being flavor I want to avoid.

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>>52071749
>Shapeshifters
>Dragons
>mfw Rory exists

>>52072547
Yes.

>>52072548
Elaborate. No pathfinder 1pp does "science guy well" but alchemist is pretty much as close as your going to get.

>>52072596
Thanks

>>52072607
I want to be a battlefield medic but bombs and mutagens push me into places I'd rather not be. I thought investigator might work out nicely, I know your body and where to cut it sort of thing, but I have no idea how the class plays or what to avoid.

>>52072630
If PoW is available, try looking at Divergent Paths: Medic

>>52072661
Thank you, I will.

>>52072630
There are archetypes that kill bombs and mutagens. I think there's even a few that focus on healing.

>>52072630
Will you have a friend named Jim?
You probably should.

>>52071828

Elliquiy.

>>52071810
Adding items isn't a 'big change'.

>>52072933
Magic weapons becoming a thing isn't a big change to fighters either. Guess the devs were really bored!

>>52072942
Who said it was a big change?

>>52072630
Take a look at the archetypes for Chirugeon and Vivisectionist. Also note that despite the fluff, vivi is not evil and can just be a specialist in surgery. Plus, their Cruel Anatamist is more how actual medical doctors work, unlike the heal skill and "trust me, a wreath of witch hazel will totally cure that stab wound"

>>52073142

Are you implying witch hazel does not cure stab wounds?

>>52072964
If they're implemented correctly they will be. It will make for a significant alteration in the range of mechanical capability as well as optimization potential for the class.

How much daddy issues is too much daddy issues for a cute adventuring girl?
>raised by a step dad
>who is a dragon
>because her biological father, a strong adventuror himself, beat her
>because he thought his wife had cheated on him, she doesn't look like him
>she actually is his daughter though, it's just dragon blood coming through
>she left and never looked back, no matter how much he's trying to win back her affection now that he knows better

>>52073181
Certainly not as well as using stitches and knowledge of how bodies actually work.

>>52073286

Hey, I remember that image!

>>52073286
Wouldn't some fairly low-grade divination allow one to know this shit?

>Somebody order a paternity scry?

Like, seriously, that's a fucking moneymaker with the nobility at the very least.

>BEARDFIST, YOU *ARE* THE FATHER!

>>52073399
Jerald du Spring.

>>52073399
PATHFINDER ISN'T HIGH MAGIC, UNLESS YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT GENDER AND SEXUALITY.

>>52073399
Shut up Maury. I know you don't remember, but you used to do more stuff with your services than just tell desperate hoes who the father of their baby is. Seriously, that gimmick has seriously worn out its welcome.

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Ok, how's this?

>mother is a fae, who ran away from arranged marriage to some noble dickhole who she's never met and never wants to meet, but was destined to marry
>she cheats fate by changing planes and settling down pretending to be a mortal, and marries this pleasant chap, even has a kid with them
>child turns out to be obviously fae-blooded
>father accuses wife of cheating on him with a fae and turns wife out in disgust
>mother is embittered by this and abandons the child who she hates at a young age at an orphanage and returns to the fae realms

>the father was also a fae, who had run away from an arranged prophecized marriage to some heartless bitch, and had shunned the mother and child because he didn't want to be found out

>child grows up hating fae because of all of this

>>52073412

You're only allowed to call Golarion high magic when a he wants to become a she or you want to explain why Ichizu Morimatsu the level 1 Samurai is in Rahadoum.

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>HV apps are open again

>>52073477
Are you sure there's no way to make the child and father cold around each other than all this SOMEONE WAS CHEATING ON ME THEREFORE I MUST ABUSE THIS CHILD stuff?

>>52073525

If your fair Human wife gave birth to a half-orc, wouldn't you kind of hate the kid?

>>52073595
Ain't the kid's fault his mum's a whore. I'd just pack my shit, wish the little shit the best, and leave.

>>52073595
That's a little different than 'my kid has blonde hair, therefore I must beat them because they couldn't possibly be mine'.

That being said, what I'm trying to get at is that there are other conflicts in this world!

>>52073595
You've reversed the issue.

The issue isn't "can a child come from infidelity without being hated" it's "can a child be hated without coming from infidelity?"

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>>52073382

I do too!

>>52073619
>can a child be hated without coming from infidelity?

Well of course, there's many ways to hate a little blighter without knowing it came from the wrong type of squirt. The most common is you simply didn't want a child in the first place, or maybe the child represents a wasted life or some other door closing in the adult's life (kids from teen moms often become this.)

If you want to get very safe and very, very boring? Just make the kid a disappointment in some aspect the father had hoped she would succeed. Maybe he wanted a smart girl, and she's a huge idiot. Maybe he wanted someone to pull the plow, and she'd rather be the one getting plowed?

>>52073647
The kid's a fightgirl, right? Maybe when she was little, she accidentally injured her father in a way that forced him to give up adventuring, and, while he can't exactly blame her for it because she was a child, he does resent her and has trouble approaching her.

Meanwhile, she was too young to remember all this and has no idea why her father doesn't really seem to want her around.

>>52073525

"The child is not mine" is probably the #1 source of conflict and abuse between a father figure and their child.

I mean, I ain't no expert on this sort of thing, but don't you think it's really suspicious how the vast, VAST majority of news stories featuring a dead kid detail how it was done by the mother's boyfriend or second husband?

The kid is not yours. The kid is not yours. It's a living, breathing sign of both your wife's infidelity and a worthless resource consumer that will grow up and not give two FUCKS about you. You're nothing more than a provider to the thing.

>>52073684
Dude, you have to stop getting your info from shitty daytime television.

>>52073671
>The kid's a fightgirl, right? Maybe when she was little, she accidentally injured her father in a way that forced him to give up adventuring, and, while he can't exactly blame her for it because she was a child, he does resent her and has trouble approaching her.

Oh, this is an easy one.

The girl's got dragon-blood, that means she's got claws and horns. Both these things are recipe for disaster on a rambunctious little tyke playing rough with her father.

All it takes is one slash in the wrong place or a bit of goring. The kid will grow up to despise her draconic bits if it's severe enough.

>>52073698
Wow anon, why are you defending actual cucks?

>>52073698
>you have to stop getting your info from shitty daytime television.

The news, actually. I'm just noting trends I see in the news.

Whenever a kid is killed or abused, it always seems to be a step-child or the mother's boyfriend doing it.

>>52073684
No, the #1 source of conflict and abuse between a father figure and their child is that the father figure was abused by their own father figure and is perpetuating the cycle.

Never talk to me or my wife's son ever again.

>>52073719
There's other reasons why there's conflict and abuse. We're not defending cucks, we're saying there's more to life than cucks.

Like a chinese guy wanting a son instead of a daughter to carry on their family line. Daughter can get no end of abuse from that.

>>52073736

But anon, gender preferences like that do not exist in Golarion (unless it's female-preference) because that's sexist!

Real talk, Brevoy has a major preference for men (it's the closest thing to a "classic" Western Medieval kingdom you'll get in Avistan) and Taldor has a clear bias.

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>>52073759

>Brevoy has a major preference for men

Can I get a source on that?

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>>52067966
I my experience having a long backstory has never, ever, ever, ever ,ever helped.

Honestly I am sick of the application system that's popular. spending 20-25 hours a week on an application is 100 times more unreasonable than looking for a fucking job, only to always be turned up no matter how much extra work I put in making additional content to go with it.

>>52073789

>Males lead the house, with the eldest son inheriting his father's titles and estates. Other sons may receive something, but there is no law that requires this to be significant. Women can be regents for male heirs under 15 years old and often work behind the scenes to influence the lord. Noble families are relatively large, with most preferring to ensure at least two sons. Since Brevoy's founding, there have been a lot of marriages of alliance among the major houses

A house with no sons is a house cursed to die, I'm not sure how pervasive this view is in the rest of Brevoy but I can tell you the only "commoner" family from Brevoy you meet in Kingmaker explicitly has Oleg as the head of the household with Svetlana assuming something of a doting housewife role.

Also, King Noleski Surtova is a young bachelor who can't get married because his vicious Cersei of a sister bullies all potential suitors away because they're not good enough for her little brother.

>>52073725
Wow so enlightened!

>>52073759
Wow, a sexist father being a source of parental dislike? It's almost as if that's a source of tensions between parents and children!

>>52073838

You'd get the same thing in Qadira if you've got a family with nothing but sons, you know.

>>52073716
Except if he's an ex adventurer he probably knows someone that can fix an injury like that easily and afford the fee.

>>52073725
There's is no clear evidence one way or another whether non-biological children suffer more abuse than biological children. In some studies, after correcting for income and age of the parents, both of which correlate to abuse and both of which correlate to the chance of one parent being non-biological, the correlation actually goes the opposite way, with non-biological children suffering less abuse than their biological counterparts.

>>52073868

You're right, silly me. There's absolutely no way a daughter can accidentally injure her father and make him give up his adventuring career.

Heck, even being born isn't an issue! Can't he afford a demiplane and have his family there, so he can just Rope Trick to see them?

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>>52073684
>durrr kids wont appreciate a father figure that's not genetic
wow, I have never fucking heard of something so stupid in my life.

>>52073505
Who were the 2 former members? Looks like one of them tried fucking with the game.

>>52073815
I will admit that I have an eye for prose and tend to write long backstories that just

Spiral out I guess before coming to an ending. I need to rein in that tendency

>>52073891
Six original members, Yori, Shizuka, Dierdre, Tyran, Marshall, Sersheon.

Marshall and Sersheon are MIA, Sersheon after starting a subplot involving her raping the Sword Knight. It's possible that they disappeared for other reasons, but who knows.

Tyran had scheduling issues, so he's gone.

Leaves us with a Lawyer, an Edgelord, and a Woobie.

>>52073900
You misunderstand, I don't think being a hard working dedicated player is a flaw, but the dms I've all applies to do not give a shit how much work you put in.

>>52073890

Friend, it might be my own experience with adopted children or stepchildren but they always seem to see the man as a provider first, a mentor second and a father wayyyy third. In fact, there's a family next door who raised a black girl abandoned by her mother at birth, raised in a well-off white neighborhood for most of her life, and when she was finally old enough to live on her own and travel she insisted on finding out who her mother was and reconnect with the vapid bitch that gave her up like a living piece of trash.

You know what happened? She wound up getting pregnant by a gang-banger during her visit and had the kid. Goodbye Lacrosse. Goodbye plans for college. Like mother like daughter, she's still living at home while her adopted parents take care of her bastard son.

>>52072630
then heal people with bombs. you're such a baby.

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>>52073918
>Sersheon after starting a subplot involving her raping the Sword Knight. It's possible that they disappeared for other reasons, but who knows.

Literally a pump n' dump.

>>52073952
Good for fucking her? You do realize that these adopted children, like all human beings, want to know the answer to stuff even if they would be better off not knowing? Ever heard of the garden of Eden? It's not hard to fucking figure out that someone wants to know why someone abandoned them. As for the bitch, people are shit. Being an orphan doesn't make that less likely.

>>52073923
Oh. Well, they must not be great DMs then. I admit that I don't write the best characters but I'm always looking to improve.

>>52073985

You seem awfully upset at me having biases towards things that have, in my experience, ruined more lives than fixed them.

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>>52073426
>there's actually someone who watches maury on /pfg/

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>>52073997
This is an anonymous mongolian horse wrangling forum and unless you're trolling and looking for (you)s don't expect dumb or even smart shit you say to not be hotly disagreed with, especially when you show little acknowledgement of exceptions and make broad generalizations.

>>52073684
Plenty of men will 'adopt' a child that isn't theirs as their own, particularly if they actually know it isn't theirs. A lot of the stress in those cases comes from having that suspicion in the back of your mind. It's not the redheaded stepchild, it's when it's the redhead you keep getting TOLD is your child by the woman you thought loved you.

However, when it comes to more than being an asshole and the occasional slap behind the head? That's actually NOT the father or the stepfather.

The most common source of murdered kids is their own mother.

>>52074017

You don't even need to watch Maury to know what Maury is.

>>52073962
I dunno anon, that's an awful lot of effort to go to for a single ERP session.

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>>52073991
I don't need a great dm, I just need one that will run a game at night and not let things explode.

>>52074041

The player disappeared right after fucking the Knight.

>>52074036
that's because women have more opportunity and more social pressure, not because they're more violent. same with the rapes

>>52073426
When I was in high school, I worked at a factory in the summers and Maury was always on the TV in the break room. With the number of guys working there who were paying child support, the break room went insane with hooting and hollering any time it turned out the guy wasn't the father.

>>52074049
She will return later in the campaign as an NPC, heavy with child and full of anger.

>>52073890
Especially since pretty much every single "old mentor" trope is ALWAYS a guy. And it's realistic, too, just look at the military, or the emphasis on having men in the mentoring programs - as well as the problems we're having in education due to a lack of male role models.

Hell, it happened to me. Old vet taught me the machining trade (sure you take a course but there's so fucking many little tricks and shortcuts plus knowing what makes the various machines tick is critical if you wanna be within +/- 0.001 or better). He'd also take me out drinking, introduced me to his daughter. The guy taught me everything I know about my job and literally became my father in law.

>>52074055
>implying men have less pressure in life
>implying women snapping more means women are less violent
good job.

>>52074095
>as well as the problems we're having in education due to a lack of male role models.

Isn't that mostly due to the discrimination and such that is actively encouraged by the so-called "progressive" media and society at large? Nobody wants a white man teaching little Timmy their ABCs, most of all the other women teachers.

>>52073918
What were their roll20 tags?
Also what classes are the remaining PCs composed of?

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>>52074095
good on you, my dad tried to be this for me but the fact is, hes an angry old man and nothing I could ever do would get a smile or any kind of positive feedback from him, while I'll get a dump truck of complaints and bitching the whole time. This is my real father, the guy constantly wonders why no one ever listens to his sage advice, and when confronted with the fact that no one wants to put up with him being an asshole 24/7 he just shrugs his shoulders and goes oh well. I love him to death but we could have had the relationship you are describing if he didn't make it a personal mission to hate everything any of his kids touch.

>>52074057
"fun" fact: courts in many states often decide to force child support even when you're proven not to be the father. And any money already paid, despite you having been victim of fraud, is gone, "because it's for the kid" (no matter what she actually does with it. personally as a teacher I've seen many a kid who should be living very well off eat "bread+margarine" every day at school and getting their clothes from the thirft store. Mother's rarely anywhere to be seen). I've known men who in the SAME JUDGEMENT were both given full custody of the child (until the mother actually shows up and demands it back 2-3 years down the line that is) AND forced to pay child support - not alimony, CHILD SUPPORT - to the mother.

I did not mean to start this kind of discussion when I first posted.

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>>52074111
>durrr
You misunderstand, I didn't say women have more pressure in life, I said they are more pressured with the child. They are likely to A: have the child without much planning despite being the caregivers most of the time and B: be socially expected to love the baby even though none of that shit comes naturally. A combination of being expected to raise the kid and the incongruity of not being instantly in love with the screaming pooping thing that everyone is telling them would happen by proxy or otherwise is going to put more pressure on the mother.

Things like this will affect the father but not nearly as much due to fathers not being as expected, not being told as often how great having a baby is because you love it so much, and most of the traditional masculine roles of support in the family involve being away from the baby to work.

>>52074095
This has inspired me to make an alchemist who was taught alchemy by a grizzled old female vet

>>52074112
The biggest problem is actually accusations of sexual abuse. What you list are in fact major issues, but what keeps many men 500 feet away from lower education is the fact that children are happy and affectionate, while helicopter parents go insane.

Consider a kindergarten teacher. These are 4-5 year old kids. They're happy to learn, they're having fun, you're teaching them things; invariably some of them just run up to hug you. This is completely normal; they also hug any dog they see, and santa, and their favorite stuffies, and anything covered in mud or dirt(and if it wasn't they will find a way).

Except nowadays, some parent sees the kids hugging you? Maybe you even *GASP* even patted them on the head because hey, they're good kids.

Well, tomorrow morning you're going to get called in and sternly warned that parents have become concerned about your inappropriate behavior towards the children.

And that's just at K level. Come highschool you get the girls (also the occasional boy) that WILL try their luck and say if you don't pass them they'll say you did something. It's extremely rare, but here's the thing: You'll go through hundreds, even thousands of kids during your career, and all it takes is *ONE* to completely destroy you.

There's also those that fall for their teachers - and that's a very very complicated other kettle of fish. Especially when three different laws suddenly run afoul of each-other, as happened to a buddy's brother-in-law....

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>>52074166
I'm not mad, its distracting me from the fury of not having a game.

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>>52074203
>none of that shit comes naturally
>caring for your child
>not nautral
Wrong you dumbass, and this isn't even morafagging, it's been proven from multiple angles that it is, indeed, natural.
I have no fucking idea what the fuck you people are on about but this is actually wrong.

>>52074114
Shizuka is a ZS Bushi Warder || Black Blade Magus.
Yori is a Sphere Cleric Asmodean Advocate || Hidden Blade Unchained Rogue (Thug, Bandit)
I'm not sure on Dierdre.

>>52074046
I might consider DMing a surreal game about searching for a mythical mountain in the middle of a massive, untamed wilderness that purportedly will grant your heart's desire.

It would be heavily inspired by southern gothic fiction, voodoo, spaghetti westerns, and crazy redneck shit. Fearsome critters (you might have to deal with an axe handle hound! The dreaded snallygaster, a reptilian bird with five tentacles that sucks the blood from its prey! Or even the agroleaver, demons that live in trees and toss sticks and rocks at passers-by!), moonshiner orcs, indigenous elves, and spooky parapsychological phenomena. >>52074046

>>52074235
>the biggest problem is actually accusations of sexual abuse
>not the actual occurrence of sexual abuse

>>52073505
Link?

>ITT: People who have somehow managed to never see, talk to, or be a child.

>>52074235
This garbage is why I'm normally convinced women and men have the same judgement. both of them will fly off the rails at the potential for outside abuse but rarely consider their own actions ever. Pedophilia witch hunts are the worst thing to happen, as soon as we stopped treating that shit like a problem rationally and went full "put my child in a bubble/I'll murder that bastard!" it became the farce you're describing, to add insult to injury most of these parents who legitimately love their kids and act like this at all other times find nothing wrong with going to the bar to get a few and drive back despite stranger danger being far under roadside manslaughter. and half the time, you still have a kid after stranger danger.

the whole thing has fucked our legal system and the perceptions of society.

>>52074141

Reminds me of a case in Canada where the father is legally obligated to pay for a child he never wanted because the woman lied about being on birth control, and the man was in fact able to prove she claimed she was on birth control.

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>>52074278
>searching for a mythical mountain in the middle of a massive, untamed wilderness that purportedly will grant your heart's desire.

>>52074279
Not him but the actual occurance, at least relative to the teachers, is wholly immaterial to the accusation of it. If you touch someone and they don't talk then the teacher "may as well" have never done it as far as they're concerned. The opposite is also true - even if you never pulled shit, getting accused of it is the same thing because people are more likely to believe the accusation than the person denying his guilt.

>>52074308

Blame that one kid who got kidnapped and sexually abused by a pedo-ring back in the 90s.

Honestly, most people don't realize just how fucked the 90s were in relation to making our modern society as screwy as it is.

>>52074279
The actual occurance of child abuse is an actual problem.

The accusation is an issue.

One is rarely caught until after the fact.

The other can be completely made up and still fuck up people's lives.

>>52074203
It's been scientifically proven that male brain chemistry is altered by having a child. Not directly like the fetus's hackjob on the mother's brain, but knowing "I have a kid, this is mine" actually causes some pretty significant changes. The placebo effect at work; you could say.

Taking care of a baby IS instinctive, and while there's certainly tricks that help, babies are tougher than ads will constantly tell you, and you WILL be able to figure it out on your own so long as you don't let TV convince you that's impossible. It wasn't impossible for hundreds of thousands of fucking years, and it's easier than ever now. Like every other animal we have that built into our genes.

The "traditional role of being away to provide" is recent. Like, the past century recent. When we were farming and hunting, the kids would follow as soon as they were able to; and before that they rode on the father or mother's backs as they went about their day. Granted, accidents happen occasionally, but, well, that's why we didn't get too too attached until they could walk and talk.

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>>52074250
I didn't say caring for your child dumb ass, I said loving it. jesus fuck you are stupid.
>Mothers are the biggest danger to their child and murder them
or
>Mother's kill their children, they are heartless and violent.
pick one you faggot.

>>52074335
That's not at all what the placebo effect is.

>>52074318
I have never heard of this. Yet, it seems appropriate.

>>52074305

But I taught Sunday school for seven years! I love children!

And then I talk to people my age and they insist children are basically the worst thing in the history of the world.

>>52074342
I don't understand what the fuck you're eventrying to say. What the fuck do you even think "love" is?

>>52074332
>blame the kid
stop being dumb
the ones to blame are society for letting it get this way by letting their fears command them.

>>52074335
>Taking care of a baby IS instinctive,
see >>52074342
dumbass

>>52074335
>Taking care of a baby IS instinctive, and while there's certainly tricks that help, babies are tougher than ads will constantly tell you, and you WILL be able to figure it out on your own so long as you don't let TV convince you that's impossible. It wasn't impossible for hundreds of thousands of fucking years, and it's easier than ever now. Like every other animal we have that built into our genes.

Oh my god, fucking this. The popular perception of childbirth and child-rearing has utterly fucked with the average person's opinion or even perceived experience with children. It's why you get rural women who can pop out a litter like it's nothing and go back to work, while you see some thirty something white woman in the United States make a huge fucking scream about having one child and then act like it's the biggest, most momentous huge body altering event in the world.

>>52074348
It's a weird movie. All of Jodorowsky's are, but The Holy Mountain especially so. It helps that he was on LSD during the shooting and he gave the rest of the cast mushrooms for certain scenes.

>>52074384
What exactly is the difference between 'taking care of and wanting to do so' and 'love'? The fetus literally fucks with the mother's brain and rewires it to make her want to protect and nurture it. A woman who has had a child is fundamentally different on a neurological / psychological level from one who has not.

>>52074342
>>52074360
not your fault, I fucked up, the post should have said
>Mothers are the biggest danger to their child and murder them
or
>Mothers are instinctual aware of and love their children,

>what is love
love is a psychological bond with your child, and no, mothers don't start with one. they have to learn to love the kid over time.

>>52074343
>you could say
They're not saying it's the placebo effect but a phenomena like it where you think something and physiologically respond to that response with changes in behavior

>>52074408
>taking care of
this is seperate from
>wanting to do so

> a woman who has a child is fundmentally different
neat.jpg, did you know most cultures didn't name babies until they where sure they weren't going to fucking kick it well into early childhood? also being protective of something doesn't mean you love it. most animals protect their food, that doesn't mean an emotional connection.

>>52074414
>choose one
So I either have to choose "are the biggest danger to" or "instinctually aware of and love their children", and you claim it to be the former? What the shit?

>>52074438
No, you claimed it to be the former you fucking mouth breather.
>>52074036

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Tell me about the nature of motherhood and childbirth with Elves, is it any different than motherhood and childbirth with Humans?

>>52074452
That isn't fucking me, but your post said

>Mothers are the biggest danger to their child and murder them
or
>Mothers are instinctual aware of and love their children,
Pick one you faggot.

>>52074414
Are you aware that mothers both instinctually love their children and are the biggest danger to them?


Funny thing about human instinctual traits, we tend to fuck them up because our brains got too big too quick. Mothers instinctually love their children, but with enough baggage on top of that, that little trigger can go ignored

>>52074470
and your post said
>, and you claim it to be the former? What the shit?
you fucking tool,
>It wasnt me
not my problem. if you're going to but in and argue, you are personally responsible for knowing what the fuck has been discussed, if you are having trouble keeping it,. shut up and go read it. the forum isn't going anywhere.

>>52074405
I might have to take a look at it for plot purposes for my BLOOD MOUNTAIN game. I just really want to do a game wherein the party has to deal with fearsome critters and outlandish, tall-tale style characters.

>>52074483
>he fucked up and runs away
Read your own post. Your post implies that I have to choose one of the two. You're arguing that women both do not love their children instinctively and that it's one of the two.

>>52074436
>>52074414
>love is a psychological bond with your child, and no, mothers don't start with one. they have to learn to love the kid over time.
Scientifically and objectively proven to be incorrect.

>did you know most cultures didn't name babies until they where sure they weren't going to fucking kick it well into early childhood
This has nothing to do with anything, it's a purely practical matter. If the child is going to fucking die then there's no reason to come up with a name for it. Most animals don't come up with a name for their child at all, so there's that.

>this is seperate from wanting to do so
Why would they take care of their child if they didn't instinctively want to do so? Men "instinctively" want to protect women, given the chance and no other information, esp. from other men because this leads to getting to sleep with the woman. Women instinctively want to protect and care for their children because well shit if they don't, that genetic line dies out and gets negatively selected for.

>emotional connection
What the actual shit do you think emotions are? Did you know pair bonding is an actual thing from a genetic level? Yeah this means that when you fall "in love" with your girl, it's not magical lovey-dovey shit. It's genetics and biology.

>>52074474
They actually, for the most part, are not the biggest danger to them given modern conditions. It used to be that they could legitimately be the biggest danger to them because of child rationing, but today it's more a matter of having the chance and society acting contrary to instinct in general.

Why is Golarion such a fun setting?

>>52074474
>Durr dem mothers kill der children and are biologically driven to protect and care for them
you can't have it both ways you dumbfuck.
not only are you wrong, your ideas are incompatible because for women to be innately and naturally nurturing that behavior has to actually nurture, not murder.

>>52074531

Because it's just good enough to get invested in, but not good enough that you're worried something stupid will ruin the setting.

>>52074529
>Scientifically and objectively proven to be correct
fixed that for you
>This has nothing to do with anything, it's a purely practical matter.
yes it does you dumb whore, children die, you can't give them all equal attention, you need to breed more so your species can survive.

>Why would they take care of their child if they didn't instinctively want to do so?
what are social pressures and fake it till you make it. also most women and men want children, they just retardedly becuase of your psuedocience bullshit spewing from your mouth expect to instantly love the children, and it causes real problems raising them.

>What the actual shit do you think emotions are? Did you know pair bonding is an actual thing from a genetic level? Yeah this means that when you fall "in love" with your girl, it's not magical lovey-dovey shit. It's genetics and biology.
do you?
human beings pair bond naturally but we aren't monogamous creatures by nature. we are flighty as fuck

>They actually, for the most part, are not the biggest danger to them given modern conditions. It used to be that they could legitimately be the biggest danger to them because of child rationing, but today it's more a matter of having the chance and society acting contrary to instinct in general.
oh so you're one of those women need to get back into the kitchen fags because LOL society is killing motherhood values. Yeah, you want to know what killed motherhood values? try going back to the time when they drowned girls because they where looking for male heirs. or just go to china
fuck you're dumb.

>>52074251
>Want to play a trap finder
>They already have a rogue
Oh well, I'm sure I'll have better luck next time...

>>52074463
Elven children are raised in creches, because for the first twenty years they're largely helpless, though they can be taught basic behaviors by positive-negative reinforcement. By the time they are 20+, they are the size and strength of an average 7-10 year old human. Over the next 70-90 years they enter a state of autistic self involved growth, where their brains are literally trying to cope with a vast plethora of sensory information that they cannot actually cope with. During this time they have an array of senses that assist in survival (Detect Magic, Detect Poison, Detect Psychic Significance all constant). Their physical senses are overloaded with with stimuli, and they shift between sitting for long periods of time learning to cope and a slightly more receptive awareness and interaction with what is around them.

During this time they can be taught by rote. they instinctively understand Sylvan, but cannot communicate. Mentors move in and out of the creche, teaching the basics of magic, combat, and other life skills. They must be taught many times over before the imprinting is complete. During this time the parents may be needed to assist in guiding their children, as the child instinctively responds to the parent better. It is not a requirement.

At the age of 90-110, the child's brain has finished growing and adjusting, and the elf is more like a sentient and sapient being, capable of reasoning and logic. They might not remember who or how, but they retain the weapon training, magical training, and their alien mindsets make them resistant to mind control effects.

So basically, the elven parents give up their close connection to a child in return for helping the race as a whole to thrive. It is worth noting people only think elves have a low birthrate - creches are defended by elven warriors who will kill every child rather than let them fall into the hands of any race, and the creches are well defended and hidden with powerful magic.

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>>52074577
>>52074531
I honestly think its fun because its got enough in the setting I can use to make the different characters I make, but the real issue I have kind of boils down to
>>52073831
This shit, and the lack of it in golarian.
I'm all for gender neutrality in mechanics, but being the underdog or dealing with social expectations is pretty fun for me.

>>52074605
Thug Rogue replaces trapfinding and trap sense. Trust me, I made this archetype stacking monstrosity, I know what's there.

>>52074627
>I'm all for gender neutrality in mechanics, but being the underdog or dealing with social expectations is pretty fun for me.

You know how you could get that? Set a campaign in Brevoy, either during Choral's Conquest (it was only 200 years ago) or during the reign of Rogarvia or even during the events of the modern day.

Exactly how crippling is a one level dip in another class for a sorcerer?

>>52074660
not too bad if you take magical knack

>>52074592
>fixed that for you
Kek no, you can gain greater personal attraction, but love and care for your child is instinctive literally as soon as it pops out of you. Personal attachment is not the same as love.

>yes it does you dumb whore, children die, you can't give them all equal attention
Who cares about attention? That's not what love means in the maternal or paternal context, grow up.

>what are social pressures
Absent in prehistoric times and in animals who lack society, yet this love and care for children is consistently demonstrated by live observation of animals and by archaeological findings as well as records of early societies consisting of perhaps a few hundred people.

>human beings pair bond naturally but we aren't monogamous creatures by nature.
Pair bonding is not the same as monagomy and I never implied the latter was instinctive. Not wanting to be cuckolded on the other hand...

>oh so you're one of those women need to get back into the kitchen fags because LOL society is killing motherhood values
And thusly we find an idiot who's been blown the fuck out. Do you SERIOUSLY think a woman, when faced with the child that popped out of her own babychute, looks at it the way we look upon rocks in the abscence of 'societal pressures'?

>they just retardedly becuase of your psuedocience bullshit spewing from your mouth expect to instantly love the children, and it causes real problems raising them.
>actual biological, genetic, evolutionary, psychological, and neurological results found in favor
>pseudoscience
Fuck off with your moralistic bullshit.

>China / male heirs
That is because girls in the day were worthless when every farmhand counted and you relied on men to feed your ass when you grew old. Also, China these days actually has a predisposition towards females.

>women need to get back in the kitchen fags
Are you telling me to get back in the kitchen or something? Actually get educated before mouthing off.

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>>52074658
but if I was a stocky underdog female adventurer and I wanted to be taken seriously, I could just fucking leave to more interesting places like varisia or the fuckhuge jungle.

>>52071968
>>52071823
>>52071799
Back in 3.5 the Adept was actually a pretty solid T4 class, thanks to the fact that they got a domain starting with Eberron (which allowed them to qualify for certain PrCs and feats) and the fact that Familiars could be pimped out pretty nicely.

>>52074630
Maybe I'll get to play my butler this time around.

>>52074675
>Kek no, you can gain greater personal attraction, but love and care for your child is instinctive literally as soon as it pops out of you. Personal attachment is not the same as love.
wrong.
>Who cares about attention? That's not what love means in the maternal or paternal context, grow up.
actually it fucking does.
>Absent in prehistoric times
Alright, you need to just go kill yourself, you don't know anything about science, you don't know anything about our species. if I wasn't a rationalist, I'd be convinced you are from an alien planet. either way stop wasting space with your enormous ignorance please.

>>52074385
I fucking know, right? My mother was the youngest of eleven fucking kids. My father was 4th of 9. You just *had* kids back then. You went to work, you ate supper, you had kids, you listened to programs on the radio, it's just all things that you did.

>>52074668
What if I don't?

>>52074693
>no backup
>no reasoning
>blank claims
>f-fuck off
mhmm

>Playing a game that's just core + APG
>Forgot how fucking boring and limited alchemists were on release

fug

>>52074679
>but if I was a stocky underdog female adventurer and I wanted to be taken seriously

You can still be taken seriously in Brevoy, you know. It's just when you marry, you better hope you have sons to carry on the father's family name.

>>52074702
well, then you're losing a level of full-casting on a class that seriously needs levels

>>52074543
Never heard of 'outliers'?
I know your tumblr lessons have taught you that special snowflakes are all more unique than the next and always good and always better than the things that consider themselves normal or the same, but the reality of it is that those women that fucking snap and stab their three kids to death before claiming the neighbor did it; THEY'RE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES. They're the outliers; the datapoints far off the bellcurve; the monsters that are explicitly NOT "cis", and they're all the worse for it.

>>52074706
>I don't know anything about biology
>b-but you have to argue with me!
>otherwise you're wrong!
I didn't have to argue with the retard who said evolution is wrong because thermodynamics makes it impossible, I certainly don't have to argue with someone dumber than even that.

>>52074737
Are you saying that nonbinary people are all murderers or that all the women who murder their kids are nonbinary?

>>52074689
Sounds neat anon. I say go for it, but expect to have to cater to the sick tastes of a Kuthonite, a mad samurai, and an Asmodean lawyer.

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>>52074737
>durrr
I know the implication you are suggesting here you dumb polfag, but you being wrong doesn't change the fact that outliers in a gender that is expected to be more nurturing and more naturally caring for children should be less, not more. jesus you are so fucking dumb.

>>52074675
Bats. An example of what you say regarding societal pressure!

Bats have societies and those who are assholes to the other bats eventually get ostracized. Good bats that help the other bats and share their food find themselves with a whole lot more help when they need to feed their babies or are wounded and can't go eat for some time. Yeah, those little things the bible thought were devil birds are caring, affectionate little buggers capable of loving FAR larger numbers of individual beings than humans, as it turns out!

>>52074731
I know it's ineffective, but is it a dealbreaker?

I was thinking of taking a single level in oracle because they have a bunch of abilities that could synergnize well, like the one that lets color spray and the like work on way more people.

>>52074739
>I don't know anything about biology
Yet you didn't even poke a single hole in my argument. You threw a shitfit because you're whiteknighting and your only arguments are worthless anecdotes, calling everyone a "get back in the kitchenfag" and moralistic bullshit.

Do you think that the 'societal pressures' that you speak of today were present in every fucking society across the globe just as a matter of course? What if - gasp - it's actually natural and generally present, and that's how those pressures grew to be shared by literally every society worldwide?

>wrong
>wrong
>wrong
It's been proven that having a kid literally rewires your fucking mind you landwhale.

>>52074762
How does this refute my point if it is indeed meant to do so?

>>52074765
>You didn't poke any holes in my arguement
you don't have an arguement. your whole post is fucking stillborn. as divorced from the current scientific consensus as possible and without the mountains of evidence needed to even begin to talk about why you are right, let alone why you deserve the right to breath.

>>52074752
The latter, though only by the current "but muh nonbinary" idiots standards. As in, if we're to accept their claims at face value, then we have to include those particular entities in the list of the special snowflakes we're supposed to put on pedestals. Which is amusing to consider.

>>52074759
>outliers in a gender that is expected to be more nurturing and more naturally caring for children should be less, not more
1. Women have more actual opportunities to throw bullshit
2. BECAUSE they are more expected to care for their children, outliers are reported more and more widely
3. Have you considered that in fact, these outliers don't follow a general bell curve? To lack care for your own child would be classed as a special type of neurological disorder. In this case, it'd just be a matter of how common this disorder is by-gender.

>>52074778
Literally not an argument, good day sir.

>>52074770
Refute? Nay, I was supporting your point. Retard up there was certainly going to bitch against everything you said up there, but the point regarding animals was the first thing that a strong example came to mind about.

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>mfw this thread

I fucking love you guys, this argument is tangential but it's far more glorious than anything else we could be arguing about.

>>52074778
>current scientific consensus
>proceeds to defend the opposite of current scientific consensus which is that wanting to protect and care for and nurture your children is indeed natural
hmmm....

>>52074789
He's also lying. Scientific consensus has not agreed with him. He's spouting bullshit the way fox news does.

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>>52074623

How do the Spire Elves do it.

>>52074786
see >>52074055
you fucking dipshit. I said this way back before you started spewing shit out of your mouth, you don't get to pretend it was your arguement all along .

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>>52074778
>as divorced from the current scientific consensus as possible and without the mountains of evidence needed to even begin to talk about why you are right, let alone why you deserve the right to breath.
So I guess the current scientific consensus comprises the Alternative Facts that support your stance and that the hordes of qualified and respectable researchers who present results that contradict your stance are simply liars or bullshitting?

>>52074800
>TFW we should be talking about which meme characters would make the best parents
>It's Seht and Shayliss

>>52074804
>>52074789
>lieing
thats a good one, feel free to prove this bullshit at any time with mountains of scientific consesus you apperantly have that I am lying about.
>>52074693

>>52074782
I have no idea where you're getting the impression that women who murder their kids identify as nonbinary, or that nonbinary people are monsters.

>>52074819
>I am only arguing with one person
Also that's what everyone else is saying. You're retarded because you're also claiming that women don't instinctively love and protect their children, when even men do given some sort of confidence that this is indeed their child.

>>52074828

Seht and Shayliss with Corwin as the cool uncle and Casimir as the lovable grandpa.

>>52074822
no dumbass, but you perfectly described your stance, well, maybe. are there any people as dumb as the idiots in this thread who really believe the shit coming out of this guys mouth?
>>52074675
cause its scientifically wrong. and anybody who studies animals, palentology, biology, socieities, etc will tell you why.

>>52074835
>Its your reponsability to argue every single point you make over and over again
No dumbass, its your responsability to know what has occured in an arguement you are sticking your retarded dick into.

>>52074828
Rubio and Etan would make great co-dads

>Literally millions of years of evolutionary selection that humans who took care of their kids passing on their genes while those that don't generally died off
>AKSHUALLY science justifies my sociopathy

lmao @ u if you think this and then post about it in a pathfinder thread

>>52074855

Problem is, we know which one was working the baby-maker.

>>52074832
>>>/pol/
be warned, you probably never wanted to know the answer to your question.

>>52074851
And once again, you try to point my gender (incorrectly) as if this somehow affects the argument. I seriously recommend you think on the actual concept of the meme "there are no women on the internet", and realize the opposite is also true - there are no men on the internet. Your gender does not affect the quality of your post, and choosing to either advertise LOOK IMA GIRL or advertise LOOK HES A GUY implies you are "too vapid and stupid to do or say anything interesting without it".

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>>52074867

>You will never have an adorable Drow-girl that's secretly turned on by the filthy lusts of the other party members towards her exotic dusky skin, blood-red eyes and cobweb-colored hair.

>>52074858
>lmao @ u
how retarded,
considering this is the fucking shithole that things healing in combat is weak it's not exactly all that indicative of anything other than your wide spread stupidity that you are all ganging up on me.

>>52074861
Actually, I've got a legitimate Pathfinder question.

What happens when a race like a Kitsune, a Catfolk, or some other "clearly not human but still humanoid" type crossbreeds with a human? Like, do you just end up with a human that is more likely to be a Sorcerer/Bloodrager? Do you get someone who's just got a propensity for specific feats? Or do you actually get something different?

Jesus, Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier is way too strong. Just ignore a crit, yeah, seems right.

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>>52074882

Not with that attitude, anon!

>>52074753
I think that thats the best part about rping a butler. You can be surrounded by a wide range of PCs from the righteous stick up the butt paladins to the most despicable serial killer and regardless of how they (mis)behave, you still have to work on doing your best to understand them so you can do a proper job of looking after them.

>>52074885
>boohoo I'm getting ganged up on because I'm wrong, you're all the idiots ;;__;;

Fuck off. Get your grammar, punctuation, and spelling right firstly before you try having a non-argument like you have been attempting, and then CONTINUE to fuck off because you're an idiot.

>>52074880
>durrr you try to point to my gender wrong
If I can deal with it, so can you, try shutting the fuck up maybe? until you learn how simple biology works?

>>52074885
Please show me a build that can out heal the damage from an equal CR encounter past level 3.

>>52074892
You mean like fortification armor?

>>52074888
Depends on how you want to work it. Could be weird bloodline stuff, could use the adopted trait, could just be really fucking awkward at family gatherings.

>>52074861
Oh my~!

>>52074892
>litterally a level 2 spell gives you this and more nat ac than a druid
you are wrong and should feel wrong.

>>52074903
I mean, most vitalists, but the fucktard is still wrong by blaming everyone else instead of his own stupid ass.

>>52074888

Catfolk can't crossbreed and I believe Kitsune assume the race of the mother.

>>52074903
>durrr u need to out heal de damage.
not only are you proving you are even more retarded than before, but you are doing it in a way that ensures you could be easily fucking proved wrong, because CR is so bullshit that fulfilling your requirements would be trivial. if you don't know how to do that yourself, then you know so little about pathfinder that you need to stop talking.

>>52074911

I'm sure that's what Shayliss was saying when she had them double team her.

>>52074916
>All of reality needs to cow tow to my delusions
your asses are the dumb ones. nothing could be stupider than you people. You are the reason society is broken and shit.

>>52074916
>vitalists
So a 3pp class that is intentionally designed to allow for in combat healing without fucking over your action economy.

>>52074939
>CR is bullshit and if you can't do it you're wrong
Buildpost or stoppost.

>>52074861
This time.

>>52074902
Butthurt that you can't whale on me for having a penis? Here little man I'll pretend to be /d/ for you.

>>52074838
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746998/
About three minutes of google to show that yes, women do have a genetic lean towards caring and nurturing. Also, the excellent example of bats another anon brought up as well as, for example, the increased aggressiveness of female bears shortly after birth as well as the activity of wolves and apes.

>>52074959
theres no build retard, I've already told you morons this, take channeling, use spells intelligently, and you're done.

>>52074959
Yes, hence my apprehension of listing the class itself, since it breaks away from conventions. HOWEVER, this fucker
>>52074939
>>52074972
Is clearly baiting, because no actual poster on /pfg/ could be this retarded. I refuse to believe it.

>>52074861
>this isn't where you put that

>>52074969
>durrr
wow, you are so out of touch you don't even know what we're talking about at this point
nothing is more disengenous than you bitching like a dumbfuck about not having a penis then turning around and belittling someone with gender shit you don't actually know is true or not.

here you fucking retard, why don't you go back to this post and re-read it.
>>52074693

>>52074943
I kinda wanna play in an Runelords campaign

Mostly so I can encounter Shayliss

And explain that while she's a very pretty young woman, it's a bit sudden, and I think we ought to take it slower and get to know each other.

>>52074985
There's another person this retarded in this thread at this very moment.

>>52074985
>durrr cr is great and healing sux
the only retard here is you all.

>>52074991
>And explain that while she's a very pretty young woman, it's a bit sudden, and I think we ought to take it slower and get to know each other.
Seht tried that. Seht failed.

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>>52074990
>accuse someone of having a dick as if it matters
>get btfo
>claim scientific consensus
>get btfo
>w-well wheres your sources
>here you go
>h-hurr your just a dumbass
COME SIT SHARE MY FIRE

>>52074988

>Shayliss tells Etan to stick it up her butt
>Fox.exe has stopped responding

>>52074892
Oh man, you would have loved the original.

Ignore a crit 1/day, +1 luck to AC. 5,000 GP.

>>52074908
>>52074917
>we could of had a subplot where shayliss ends up with magical bullshit kids

Well that's just sad.
>TFW no wolf children reenactment sidestory

>>52074991

The game accounts for that, whether or not you fuck her the Dad still comes downstairs and assumes you've been up to no good

>>52075008

Seht needs to talk about what's happening with the rest of the party!

>>52075012
>accuse someone of misgendering you
>goes on to gender them
>claim scientific consesus
>about something that is not even the point of discussion
>well i still btfo tho hahaa looser

>>52075039
again, idiots. this shit isn't that good.
Level 2 spell is better.

>>52075051
I never "gendered" you, I just threw a generic insult out.

>about something that is not even the point of discussion
But it is, if you actually read the paper. It claims instinctive protectiveness and doesn't say 'but only after a year'. It is literally saying a mother has instinctive reason to protect, care for, and nurture her child from time t=0. Your point of discussion is some retarded 'love' shit, but maternal / paternal love in science is generally just thought of as the actual form your instinct takes.

>>52075005
Anon, you can stop posting if you have to go bail out your boat with a thimble. You know, you could just plug the hole, but you do you.

>>52075063
+2 luck to AC with Fate's Favored and negating a critical 1/day is plenty good for 5,000 GP.

There's barely anything that gives luck to AC.

>>52075090
>>52074880
both of these imply or even state a gender you think I am you fucking tool.
>But it is, if you actually read the paper. It claims instinctive protectiveness
>claim scientific consesus
>about something that is not even the point of discussion
again
go read >>52074693
you dumb whore.

>>52074943
I want to play Runelords so that I can get to Shayliss in order to say "you're a very pretty young woman but I'm not entirely certain if this is the right thing to do. Isn't it a bit sudden? Wouldn't you want to get to know me more first?"

>>52075095
>durrr
stop talking unless you have something of substance to say
>>52075104
who cares? its 2 Ac, that's not nothing but its nothing compared to iron skin.

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>>52075116
>both of these
The post you quoted doesn't imply a gender at all.

>you dumb whore
N-no anon, don't look at me like that~

Sorcerer arcane bond from the one bloodline says "once per day ... cast any one of your spells known"

Now, I understand that this clearly means sorcerer spells known, but is there anything specifically preventing me from using this as say, an oracle or a bard? the wizard version specifically says "from your spellbook" but this is more vague

>>52075131
>durr

>>52075140
>i can just lie and that makes it true
yes they do dumbfuck. one insists that I am a guy becuase I believe no girls on the internet, the other calls me a little man
>N-no anon, don't look at me like that~
the only thing I want to look at is a thread clear of your posts.

>>52075143
RAW I think you might be alright, but thos sounds like an "ask your GM" thing.

What's a cheap but manly ranged option for a low level character?
Javelins? Light hammers?

My inner jew likes the idea of using a sling because it has essentially infinite free ammo, but it's not a very manly weapon.

>>52074814
I have no idea what those are.

>>52075168
>not manly
Hey one killed Goliath. That's pretty manly.

>>52075168
Light hammer.

>>52075168
>not a manly weapon
>weapon of the roman empire
>david and goliath
I don't believe you are a jew.

>>52075168
David would like to have a word with you.

>>52073595
Isn't like the majority of half-orc births canonically rape anyway?

>>52075177
>>52075183
>>52075184
David was cheating and you know it.

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>>52075157
>one insists that I am a guy becuase I believe no girls on the internet,
Are you literally retarded? I clarified why you need to think on the meme in that very post. There are no girls on the internet, not because there are literally no girls on the internet, but because it doesn't fucking matter if you have a meatstick or a honeypot.

>the other calls me a little man
That's a generic insult, I could've called you pathetic and it'd be the same.

>the only thing I want to look at is a thread clear of your posts.
I'm fairly sure the rest of the thread wishes we'd both fuck off.

>>52073595
In Golarion, your wife's bull's child is like your own child, you fucking regressive shitlord. Especially if it's a half-orc.

>>52075192
A level in Paladin isn't cheating.

>>52075197
>becuase it doesnt matter if you have a meatstick or honeypot
I said dick, something everyone says, if you think references to male genetalia aren't rampant and its not no girls on the internet because no genetalia are mentioned ever then you are wrong and out of touch with board culture.

>That's a generic insult, I could've called you pathetic and it'd be the same.
no it isn't. and saying that its is not going to convince anyone that already wasn't having several strokes.

>I'm fairly sure the rest of the thread wishes we'd both fuck off.
yet here you are filling up space to pretend you didn't post something you very obviously did to anyone, few in number though they seem to be, that knows how to read.

>>52075194
This is really important to me. Do people know that they do this to catch voles and hares that tunnel in the snow? They don't think they just dive headfirst for no reason, right?

>>52071901
>badwrongfun
Sorry, we're not FATAL general.

>>52075214
Yes it is, damn it.

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>>52075157
I have a solution that will make everyone happy. Try it out.

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>>52075217
You know I seriously don't know how you even try to have a discussion when you immediately dismiss everyone who disagrees with you as illiterate or retarded. Reddit may be more your speed.

>>52075241
>kill yourself so we can be happy
the truth isn't always sweet.

>>52075203
Uh, your wife's bull's child is just a fucking cow.
Cows are fucking stupid, you can pick a better pet to treat as your own child.

And shouldn't you be making some with the wife while you're at it?

>>52075218

Yes, we know, they can hear movement under the snow and dive into it to catch prey. But it's still pretty silly.

>>52075249
>I want to look at a thread free of every post that disagrees with me
>but that only applies to me

>>52075247
>you know i seriously dont know how you even try to have a discussion
I know, it's a little hard when people ignore large swaths of yours and other peoples post to focus on inane bullshit and cover their own asses and their mistakes to present the united front that they are all better than some asshole who's only crime is telling them the truth.

>>52075218
Of course, but they still look silly doing it.

>>52075258
>>52075267
If it's silly and it works then it's not silly!

>>52075260
no, just her posts.

>>52075264
You sound like some faggot from /x/.
>everyone else, including people who provided sources and logical arguments, are just sheeple!
>I'm the only one who's clear of mind!

>>52075258
How is it silly?
I don't get it.
I've seen people laugh at bears failing to swat fish out of the water, too. Do you understand how impressive it is that the animal knows it can do that, let alone that it manages to accomplish that shit to boot?

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>>52075264
Still
Not
An
Argument

>>52075280
no dumbass, I already told you I'm the scientific consesus here. and you have yet to offer any counter evidence that's even on topic, so theres not much to compare to psuedoscientific bullshit. Even retarded young earth creationists at some point try to address evolution or the earth's shape, the level of discourse in this thread is such that for about 50 posts now you dumbshits have pointedly insisted you are right, by posting one document, and that document was from a topic half the thread ago.

>>52074250
>big brother never gave a shit about children and was generally a rather apathic asshole
>knocked up a girlfriend
>immediately became an amazing dad
Shame he has to live with that slob of a lazy cunt that birthed his daughter though, I would've wished him a much better life.

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>>52075283

Of course it's impressive. But that doesn't mean it doesn't look silly.

>>52075296
>by posting one document
That's one document more than you've posted though kek

>>52075289
see >>52074693

BACK TO PATHFINDER TALK

For spheres of power, when using a destructive talent as a melee attack, do you add strength or dex damage?

>>52075310
I never made the outlandish claim that requires a mountain of evidence to debunk the outstanding scientific research.

>>52075257

What if my wife can't have kids because she doesn't have a uterus?

>>52075319
NEITHER, IT'S A SPECIFIC TOUCH ATTACK YOU BREEDER PIECE OF SHIT

>>52075307

>Etan inspecting his latest masterwork

Could a sorcerer with a 1 level dip in oracle (heaven mystery) work ok if I just spend all my feats on extra revelations?

Only a few abilities specifically mention that they scale with your ORACLE level instead of just "level" or nonspecifically work with spells/cha bonus.

Is this rules lawering or is this legit? It seems strange that they would only mention needing oracle level 2-3 times if it meant for all of them, right?

I have a challenge for you! Create a world or campaign setting wherein players can only choose from four classes, and build a setting based off the flavor of those classes! I'll start:

>Medium, Mesmerist, Occultist, Spiritualist
>Parapsychology, spooky ghosts, all sorts of creepy things!

>Alchemist, Investigator, Bard, and Magus
>it's a harsh world out there, and while magic is useful, you need to be able to swing a sword too!

>Fighter, Rogue, Cleric, Wizard
>The classic

Now, it's you turn! Come up with an idea of your own! It might be fun!

>>52075355
GROSSS
the reason pathfinder is so good is because this shit isn't a problem.

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>>52075304
While anecdotes aren't reliable in an actual debate, thanks.

>>52075296
>no dumbass, I already told you I'm the scientific consesus here.
>LITERALLY "We are right because We say so"
Have I fallen for some high level bait?

>young earth creationists
Too lazy to post the actual pasta but
>https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/169819248/#169851676

>>52075346
Absolutely amazing. Positively amazing. Really, it truly is

>>52075355
>Slayer, Inquisitor, Ranger, Paladin
We're going monstah huntin'.

>>52075352
>level
when a class ability says that it always refers to the level of the class you take unless its a psuedolevel (druid levels and wizard levels for bonds and companions).

I love rules lawyering shit but this is under the description of classes so its a no go.

>>52075338
Ok, when using the spheres of power doomblade archetype special ability, which "can make touch attacks in place of regular attacks", does THAT add strength or dex to damage with appropriate feats?

>>52071901
You're an idiot if you think that getting 25000 in diamond dust isn't a quest in and of itself even for high level characters. Diamonds don't grow on trees (unless they do, and if they do, they're probably guarded by things that make the hecatonochires look like manlets.

>>52075365
>https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/169819248/#169851676
>an actual YEC thinks I'm wrong
well what a surprise.

>>52075363
It's an experiment. What would a setting look like if these were the most common adventurers? Just give it a try, man.

>>52075355
alchemist alchemist alchemist alchemist

magic version of the industrial revolution, where people take the fact that people can just mix ingredients and do amazing things without having to study forever, pray forever or be a member of the x-men to it's logical conclusion

also because alchemist is objectively the GOAT class that can do everything pretty well and has a bunch of fun variety/gimmicks depending on how you build it after all the various support it's received

>>52075404
>an actual YEC
No anon. Work on your reading comprehension. I'm merely posting a pasta for you.

>>52075296
>I'm the scientific consensus here
Claim of authority fallacy

>>52075407
one dimensional? it would be easier if pathfinder classes had some level of diversity in presentation but a lot of them are so close together in theme to be almost interchangable.

>>52075380
Damn, why even bother only writing "oracle level" sometimes if it's just an assumed rule for all classes unless stated otherwise, seems like it would waste ink.

>>52075409
>No investigator or alchemy-lante

Dropped

>>52075409
>alchemist is objectively the GOAT class
That's not how you spell investigator.

>>52075415
>spreading retarded information for the lulz
oh so you're just an idiot. gotcha.
feel free to shut up and stop breathing until you learn how to read then, I'll give you a hint, I'm in the right but basically nobody here isn't so full of their own ass to even know what I'm right about at this point, if you read their posts blindly you are just going to be confused.

>>52075325
>outlandish claim
Yeah but you ARE in the minority. Even 'accepted' claims need to be backed up within reason, and it's evident you're not backing up anything.

>>52075421
>Close together in theme
>Occult classes

Pick one.

>>52075418
>scientific method is a fallacy
yeah thats a debate fallacy dumbfuck. not a scientific one, you do in fact have to produce evidence and lots of it to overthrow something of scientific merit and consensus, and if you think thats to authoritarian to you I'm sure you can start your own version of the scientific method.

>>52075430
>>52075438
investigator is novel and cool but basically everything it does an alchemist can do because for some stupid reason they made half of it's perks discoveries or archetypes

also it ruins my gag if I don't say alchemist 4 times

>alchemy-lante
Huh?

>>52075422
because paizo can barely be asked to write functional feats or books without tons of grammatical errors in print.

just look at this retarded shit.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/extra-evolution/

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>>52075444
>spreading retarded information for the lulz
Yes anon, for the lulz, because it's so self-evidently retarded.

>I'll give you a hint, I'm in the right but basically nobody here isn't so full of their own ass to even know what I'm right about at this point, if you read their posts blindly you are just going to be confused.
>I'm right because I say so, and any posts to the contrary are either liars or ignorant, but I refuse to provide reason or argument why this is the case
Cute, have a 2hu.

>>52074752
People who claim to be "non-binary" belong in asylum.

>>52075454
I don't need to back up anything, you are the one that needs to back up something, and its your job to do so because you are against the scientific community. you can't blame me for believing them and say I need to substantiate it for them. It's doubtful you have the basic reading skills to even know what's being discussed since everyone else seems just as stupid as you though, so go ahead and spew more bullshit about that one study you posted and how it's totally relevant.

>>52075455
theyre all related to spirits inhabiting shit and getting power from it. done

I will stick my retarded dick into this discussion to point out that animals routinely kill offspring that do not genetically belong to them.

>>52075484
actually I already have dumbass, its just that you're so far up your own ass you forgot that you can't read through your colon.
see >>52074693
the number of times I linked this post out to slam a couple brain cells together in that empty skull of yours to maybe consider the fact that I have told you dumbshits exactly why you are wrong and what you are wrong about. but no, reading and understanding that would be too hard, it would require you to do real work or admit you are wrong, so you are going to sell a big lie technique and make it seem like I'm talking out of my ass.