>The Round Table is King Arthur's famed table in the

>>52065808
>no love for left chair

>>52065808

It's the principle of the thing. You can't ever entirely avoid hierarchy, but structurally it's a lot less obvious with a round table than with a more conventional one.

>>52065834

Of course not, that's nearest to the left hand, the shit-wiping hand

The worst spots would be second to next to the king. When you sit opposite, the king can talk to you face to face. If you are next to the king, he can turn to look at you. But if you are second to next, the guy next to him is in the way. So the kng has to make an extra effort to look at you and might not bother.

>>52065808
This exact issue comes up in The Once and Future King, I believe.

>>52066123
I'll bet that's where they stuck Kay.

>>52065808
No, the seat that had the most status attached to it was Galahad's seat, since it was magical and killed anyone who tried to sit in it other than him.

It was also inscribed with "Reserved for the coolest, most badass knight ever".

>>52065808
Siege perilous was the special seat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHtIW3p554A

>>52065808

Which is why King Arthur in the original French tale never sat at the table, he sat at his own throne separate from the Knights.

The Knights were equals to each other (which gets some Knights like Lancey all pissy because they think they deserve more), but to expect their King to sit among them is too much, the King is clearly above the Knights.

>>52065808
What if they all wore masks for as long as they're seated around the table?

>>52066365
Too bad Galahad was a fuckwit and didn't actually get the grail despite it being paraded in front of him.

>>52067082
Why?

>>52065808
>I mean, sure, yeah, but the King still has a seat, right?
At the table his seat is no more important than any other. He can order people as a king when at court or from his throne room, but at the round table his words are weighed as those of any other knight.

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>>52067069
>Which is why King Arthur in the original French tale never sat at the table
>in the original French tale
>the original French
>original
>FRENCH
I have caught flame with fury.
Fucking Lancelot fanfiction frog.

>>52067188
Then you can't tell king from knight, and everyone gets an equal voice.

>>52067639
We can all TELL it's you Kay you're 8 foot tall and sound like thunder on a mountain and literally steam when it rains

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>>52067279
>I have caught flame with fury.

Bless you anon, but you must realize, it's fanfiction all the way down.

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>>52066365

>tfw someone forgot to move the Siege Perilous before the game of musical chairs

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>>52067803
>Rounde and Ronde yon Table Rounde
>The brachet chased the minstrel
>The minstrel thought it was all in goode fun
>Pop goeth the buboes

>>52065808
The answer is obvious-- he sits cross-legged in the center of the table, and makes uncomfortable amounts of eye-contact with his knights. Whenever they address him directly, he leans close enough to feel their breath on his beard.

>>52067675
Why would it rain indoors?

>>52067971
You tell us Kay, since apparently that's another thing you can do

>>52068140
Do what? Make it rain indoors, or explain the phenomenon of indoor rainfall?

>>52065808
>And even if the King changes seats every time they sit, the position to his right is still the seat of greater status, no?
Not necessarily
>Each knight has an item (eg. a helmet or a name tag)
>Someone without bias sets up the items to choose the seating (eg. someone who doesn't know whose helmets are whose or someone illiterate for the name tag idea)
>Knights who sit next to the king sit next to him based purely on chance

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>>52068186
>>52068140
>>52067971
>>52067942
>Before Cai's birth, Cynyr Ceinfarfog prophesied that his son's heart would be eternally cold, that he would be exceptionally stubborn and that no one would be able to brave fire or water like him. Cai is attributed with a number of further superhuman abilities, including the ability to go nine days and nine nights without the need to breathe or to sleep, the ability to grow as "tall as the tallest tree in the forest if he pleased" and the ability to radiate supernatural heat from his hands. Furthermore, it is impossible to cure a wound from Cai's sword.

Prince of the plunder,
The unrelenting warrior to his enemy;
Heavy was he in his vengeance;
Terrible was his fighting.
When he would drink from a horn,
He would drink as much as four;
When into battle he came
He slew as would a hundred.
Unless God should accomplish it,
Cei's death would be unattainable.
Worthy Cei and Llachau
Used to fight battles,
Before the pain of livid spears [ended the conflict].
On the top of Ystarfingun
Cei slew nine witches.
Worthy Cei went to Ynys Mon
To destroy lions.
Little protection did his shield offer
Against Palug's Cat

>>52065808
this is why you have the king sit in the center of the table, preferably on a slowly rotating seat so he doesn't face towards only one knight

>>52065808
Well, the king said, "all who sit at this table are sequel," so no. He said so, and he's the King. That's literally how being the King works.

>>52068293
>based purely on chance

Mother fucker, we're talking about Christian Knights here.

Nothing happens by chance, it happens by the will of God.

That illiterate peasant put Sir Kay's nametag next to the King's because it was God's will that Sir Kay receive the most honor by sitting to the right of the King.

>>52068294
Old British knights of the round table were literally the Justice League.

>>52068384
I'd make a joke about not being able to remember the time Batman cuckolded Superman but then I remember

>DC
and figure it probably happened.

>>52067971
Because we're in England. It rains everywhere.

But what's Arthurs tax policy?

>Everyone shit-talking Kay
>So everyone forgets all about Balin and how he ruined Britain so much that the Knights of the Round had to get the Holy Grail, setting the stage for Arthur's eventual end

Never Trust Balin

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>>52065808

Kneel before the King.

>>52068555

Looks like a girl, so surely you meant Queen?

Or is this another case of Japan "Draw a girl, call it a boy" Trap-design?

>>52067069
>The Knights were equals to each other (which gets some Knights like Lancey all pissy because they think they deserve more),

You... You do realize the chairs have fancy magical engravings that show who has which seat, and one of them *does* say THE PUREST OF KNIGHTS or THE GREATEST KNIGHT?

Lancelot LITERALLY HAS A SEAT THAT SAYS HE'S THE BESTEST.

>>52068533

Mah boy Balin would've never had to give the dolorous stroke if that fucking invisi-knight wasn't ganking all his friends.

He lived a hard life.

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>>52068575
Nope. In Japan, King Arthur is a girl.

>>52068597

I see. Is there not a japanese word to translate Queen and they use King for both genders?

>>52068597

You know, I'm honestly quite impressed with Japan's veracity at tearing into Western mythology like this, in many respects they view it as a positive thing because they're getting to use the literary heritage of another culture.

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>>52068612
No, it's explicit that King Arthur was a girl who concealed her gender, and that's why everyone thinks she was a man in life.

>>52068626
She also had a dick, which she knew how to use.

Merlin thought it would be funny to give it to her.

>>52068594
You know what he could've done instead of giving the fucking dolorous stroke?

Wait until Invisi-knight wasn't in the fucking castle of his crazy brother and challenge him to combat away from the Lance.

Not that Balin can think a day ahead, apparently he can't even think a minute ahead, seeing as how he used the Lance in the first place.

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>>52068415
Something like this.

Is the land/settlement/population under attack from Picts/Saxons/magical creatures? If the answer is no, leave it be and keep taxes either low or nonexistent. If yes, proceed to tax the everloving fuck out the specific place/group of people which is under attack, and don't lower the tax rates either until the threat is pushed back or until there's nothing left to tax.

This is a brilliant policy.

>>52067069
>French

CHRETTIENNE GO TO BED, YOU SNAIL-SCARFING CODPIECE.

>>52068657

You think Balin had *time* to think about all that? All he knew was the invisi-knight was at a banquet for some asshole, and when he killed the invisi-knight the asshole tried to kill him, and in clear self-defense to everyone observing Balin bonked him on the head with that cursed sword and it exploded.

So what was he supposed to do? Die? He spent minutes running around that castle looking for a weapon, it's not his fault he wandered into a room with a spear laying on some bed!

HE LIVED A HARD LIFE!

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>>52068666

>mfw the frogs do a better job telling your cultural epic than the natives

>>52068294
Ok, Kay had superpowers, I know Gawain had some superpowers, who else? At what point do they stop getting powers?

Is there a list or should I check one by one in wikipedia?

>>52068743
>Is there a list or should I check one by one in wikipedia?

King Pellinore had balls of steel, if that counts.

Hey, so I've got Le Morte De Arthur from my Barnes & Noble Collectable Edition and King Arthur and His Lnights by Howard Pyle. Are there any other titles based of Arthurian legend that I should look into? I have The Once & Future King by T.H. White if that's a suggestion, but I haven't finished it yet.

>>52069039
Fate Stay/Night by Kinoku Nasu

>>52068533
Balin wasn't a knight of the round table though. Even a British king has standards.

>>52065808
Heh. In a novel series I've read, a Prime Minister of a corrupt government brought in a round table for cabinet meetings to avoid people seeming preferential.

Then the foreign secretary brought in a thick dark-wood throne for his seat.

So the prime minister had to bring in a big gilt rose throne for himself.

And so on.

>>52068743

I think Lancelot canonically had every superpower.

>>52068743
Percival had Hulk-level strength, and everybody had either a faerie-made sword or shield. Or both.

Tristan and Dinadan both had ridiculous "sing-a-bird-out-of the-trees" bard skills.

Kay would apparently light on fire on occasion.

>>52069039
King Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table by Roger Llancelyn Green

All of the Squire's Tale/Parsifal's Page series by Gerald Morris

Howard Pyle's Tales of King Arthur and his Knights

The old Brown, Green, and Red Fairy Books.

>>52065808
They're secretly communists.

Now I want to run a campaign about an order of Marxist knights fighting for the rights of the working class against their fellow noblemen.

>>52065808
Properly speaking according to the rules of etiquette and protocol, the head of the table is whatever seat faces the main entrance to the room. The round table did, actually, have a head.

>>52068612
Well, actually, they use "Tenno" to refer to an Emperor of either gender (and correspondingly the Japanese head of state is called the Emperor in English regardless of gender). However they certainly understand the concept in principle.

It's just they decided it would be better if Arthur was instead a girl.

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>>52070048
And it worked out very well for them.

>>52066238

I really need to find that stick figure head with its eyes rolled up and its mouth open in a wild guffaw with the speech bubble "HAH!" attached, because fuck would I get a lot of use out of it. I have no idea what the damn thing is called, though.

>>52067279

To even begin to extract the original islander myths from Le Morte D'Arthur in the minds of everyday discourse at this point would be an exercise in futility and frustration and, frankly, the English of the period embraced the French versions anyways.

>>52070096
Waifu fags ruin everything

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>>52070336
It also gave us Scathach.

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Did someone say KING ARTHUR?

>>52070096
>>52070361
Didn't this end up ruining Type Moon as now there are a gorillian Saber clones running around

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>>52070361

I didn't vote for you.

>>52070379
>ruining Type Moon
Don't think they've ever been richer.

>>52070379

Arturia Pendragon
Arturia Pendragon (Alter)
Arturia Pendragon (Hana no Miyako)
Devil Saber
Galactica Saber
Gray
Goddess of Rhongomyniad
Hungry Saber
Jeanne d'Arc
Jeanne d'Arc (Alter)
King Saber
Lancer Artoria
Lancer Artoria (Alter)
Master Artoria
Mordred
Mysterious Heroine X
Mysterious Heroine X Alter
Nero
Nero (Bride)
Okita Souji
Rider Santa Alter
Saber Lily
Saber Lion
Swimsuit Artoria
Swimsuit Mordred
Ultra Heroine Z

There might be more

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>forgetting my homeboys Sir Palamedes and Sir Morien

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/not-all-knights-round-table-were-white-180949361/

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>>52070379
They could probably introduce a character at this point whose special ability is Unlimited Saber Works.

>>52069876
>Marxist knights fighting for the rights of the working class against their fellow noblemen.
They do this by killing all the townsmen and yoeomen instead of the actuality exploitive nobles, correct?

>>52070518

Found the capitalist lapdog. Probably would also support Mordred.

>>52070523
You call me a lapdog but I'm not the one killing workers who have achieved small margins of success at the behest of the people actually oppressing him.

The pattern is the workers let the blood of their slight slightly more successful peers at the behest of (a) privileged organiser/s, to usher in an era of mutual poverty under the rule of the children of privilege who agitated them.

That's what success looks like. Most of the time it's actually the children of privilege killing workers themselves because they can't get the workers to "cast off their chains" (accept the mutual poverty).

Marx was a fool.

>>52070609

Marx was an idealist whose ideas were manipulated into poor usage by the ambitious and the equally idealistic.

So, yeah, pretty much.

>>52070657
Marx's understanding of human nature was fundamentally flawed and colored by his own very privileged existence.

His ideas fall apart in execution because their foundation is sand.

>>52068348
God wouldn't give sir Kay any honor if every other person on earth decided to worship Satan while molesting children of the same sex.

>>52069039
Honestly you can't go wrong with a good translation of Chretien de Troyes. The Knight with the Lion and his Story of the Grail are especially good (even though the Story of the Grail is unfinished).

>>52070360
>Scathach

isn't she supposed to be the old warrior lady who trained cu chulainn?

>>52070841
Unless you have a grandma fetish, I prefer Japan version more.

>>52070764

What do you think 'idealist' means?

>>52066365
you meant "Reserved for the fucking virgin"

>>52069039
>>52070831
I'd second Knight of the Lion, it's a very classical Arthurian style story. Great stuff.

>>52070855
It doesn't have to mean "completely out of touch". Often it just means unwilling to compromise.

>>52070764
Yeah welcome to every theory on human behavior. The only thing you can count on is people being contrarian and irrational.

>>52070609
Not really. So far everyone just went to state capitalism, called it communism and declared he was done.
Marx thought the change away from capitalism would happen far faster. That was not true but does not make him a complete fool.

>>52070096
Why does shit from japan always suck so much?

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>>52065808
I think the concept of "First Among Equals" would apply. When the King is at the Round Table, he wishes everyone to speak to him as an equal. He wants to hear their thoughts and opinions, not as subjects, but as comrades in arms. While there will always be some degree of deference, and his opinion will obviously carry more weight than, say, some random upstart, the Round Table still serves the purpose of allowing the knights to speak truth to power without fear of dishonoring their King by not showing proper deference to his position.

>>52071005

His idea was actually pretty good. For small groups. Of very, VERY alike people. It breaks down when you introduce more than 150 or so.

The Soviet system, though, that was a really novel idea. Inject some controls to keep leadership from behaving like EVERY HUMAN THAT EVER ATTAINS POWER and you have a representative democracy; biggest difference from modernity being instead of fragmenting along party and regional identity lines, it forms blocs by industry.

Surprise surprise, oil and finance still dominate.

>>52070955

An unwillingness to compromise frequently demonstrates pretty clearly that you're completely out of touch.

>>52067069
And Arthur in the original one true welsh and breton isn't THE king, he's one of many petty kings.

The Chretien de Troyes/Mallory version of things is 100% a reflection on their own times. Half of the CdT version is a Roman a clef about life at the Plantagenet court.

>>52068738
That's because it wasn't a cultural epic for the welsh and bretons, it was past history of the last thousand years.

The Four Branches is a lot closer to being a cultural epic.

>I meant the english
It's not your fucking cultural epic either, invadershit

>>52070241
Only because they were French and had colonised and traumatized the Anglo-Saxon population.

>>52069795
FUCKING CHRETIEN REEEEE

>>52070488
I'm pretty sure that actually is the power of tbe joke profile for the series artist

>>52070523
Mordred technically had a more sound claim to the throne. None of what he did was particularly outrageous or unusual for his time period. We just villify him because he opposed Arthur, whose positive qualities are more informed than demonstrated. The further back you go the thinner evidence that Arthur actually was a good King gets

>>52067942
>Arthur's throne is a lazy Susan

I think it's more a respect thing than a literal thing.

>>52071548
>Only because they were French and had colonised and traumatized the Anglo-Saxon population.
The anglo-saxon population wouldn't have embraced those myths at all without the norman and angevin influx. They were the legends of the welsh, not theirs.

Reminder that the "discovery" of Arthur's tomb was a double political ploy meant to simultaneously revitalize Glastonbury Abbey as a pilgrimage site and shut up Welsh and Breton opposition to Plantagenet rule.

It failed lamentably at the latter when the duchess of Britanny just said "fuck it" and named her half-angevin son Arthur.

>>52071180
A sort of representative democracy would maybe have followed out of trotzky s version of the whole soviet idea. Under Stalin it definitively was not.
But I agree with you that communism requires a more direct democratic participation. Something Marx seemed to get as he saw communism only possible in developed countries. He had however no clue how to get that whole direct participation thing going. He also seemed to have underestimated the necessary development.

>>52071011
Because tentacles.

>>52066073
Camelot is a utopia. They have toilet paper and indoor plumbing and soap.

>>52065808

The knights were off in other lands for years at a time and they only gathered around the roundtable rarely.

Wasn't really used enough to justify place sittings.

>>52065808
What is a good book of compiled Arthurian legends?

>>52071642
>>52071548
>>52070241
>>52067279

There's a board game out there, historical war game-y, that takes place over the course of the history of the British isles (essentially from 43 AD to 1066 AD). It takes place over several rounds, and each player rotates from a native culture to an invading culture over the course of the game.

The game has enough unique factions to support four players.

(If that sounds like your jam, feel free to go check out https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/240/britannia )

England was invaded and conquered so many times that anyone claiming to be the 'native' English is as full of shit as the frog standing next to him. The 'native English' are, for all intents and purposes, the bloody Welsh, and their version of Arthur has fuckall to do with anything in this thread. Hell, the entire concept of chivalric knights is a continental one, especially a French one. That's most of why the modern Arthurian legend looks the way it does. There's a reason the 'death of the flower of chivalry' describes a French defeat, not an English one.

tl;dr History is a patchwork of people in the right place at the right time remembering to write down specific things. No more, no less.

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>>52071684
The only one with tentacles though is Wormslut.

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>>52071580
It is.

>>52069876
This is basically The Once and Future King. The knights splinter into different groups, and some are called communists and others are literally Nazis. They call themselves National Socialists or something very similar and wear swastikas as their heraldry. Their leader is Mordred.

>>52067069
He should have sat in a swivel chair in the middle of the table.

>>52068597
In Japan, countries are people and war-torn alliances are represented by boy band breakups.

>>52065808
The king is the king because he is the most competent one in the room or at least the most loved by the rest of the men

A throne is not a chair, it is a person

>>52072431
Whatever man, I still want to sit next to him.

>>52070841
If she's immortal, why would she be old?

>>52070428
>Forgetting Saber (fate/Prototype)
How the shit you forgot literal King Arthur Pendragon is beyond me, anon.

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>>52068597
Fuck off, Arturia.

>>52069039
Clearly Don Quixote you pleb.

>>52068577
Lancey, get off the computer and take the knot.

>>52072254
Dunno about that. Aside from the Anglo-Saxon conquest there was no large scale influx of people into Britain (on a level to seriously change the ethnography) until the 1950s onwards aside from the Celts. The Scandinavian influx was tiny, as was the Norman/French. Briton sure, but English? Harder to say.

>>52072562
It's a list of characters who canonically look like the little blonde girl from FSN. The tall blonde dude is not one of them.

>>52069831
Ywain superpower is that he had a lion friend.

>>52072578
Excalibur Proto>Excalibur
Not sure which one I'd rather fuck

>>52070841

Yes, and she took Cu Chulainn's virginity.

>>52071886
Don't you mean Merlin? When it's magic, you ain't gotta explain shit.

>>52065808
No, that's dumb.

>>52070841
She's an immortal goddess who taught Cu Chukainn the friendship of the thighs. And got into arguments with her sister over him, when he was 11-12.

>>52068345
>"all who sit at this table are sequel,"
A holy brotherhood formed from the sequels that never got as much love as the originals? I'd watch it.

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>>52070360
That's beach episode, though, not her usual clothing?

>>52072991

You actually do have to explain shit when it's old magic, don't fall into the memes.

>>52072254
The most densely settled parts of England (the east up to the Tyne and the Penines) show a strong dominance of germanic ancestry. The vikings and the normans had next to no population influx.

Literally the only parts that you can chalk to assimilation are the western half/third of England at most.

There was no great population influx with the vikings outside of three small areas, neither was there from the normans, who were literally only the upper aristocracy.

>>52065834
This. The right hand of the king may hold his sword but the left hand is holding a dagger dipped in some poisons most foul. Or it's holding a shield. Who can say.

>>52066238
Kay/Kai was the Steward and therefore knew how shit actually worked in practice. Also he was about the size of a small hill so intentionally antagonizing him was a good way to loose all of you teeth at the very least.

>>52070609
Oh my god you actually think you're intelligent, don't you.

Consider that Lenin explicitly put the goal of the Bolsheviks as the creation of a nation of merchants, based on a flawed idea that the progression of history was preordained, based more on Lenin's reading of Hegel than of Marx (cf. Marx's historical material claiming there is no metaphysical key to history, only its empirical study under particular historical conditions, "turning Hegel on his head"). Consider that in Marx's own studies of Russia, he was brought around to the idea that the Russian obshchina, communal agrarian communities, would be the model for any type of communism in Russia--this flows nicely from his support of the 1871 Paris Commune as the general model of revolution i.e. highly democratic local communities.

Consider that there were Marxist and other left critics of the Bolsheviks, among them Rosa Luxemburg as one of the most prominent left-communists and the anarchists almost as a whole consistently opposed (remember Kronstadt?). Such that Lenin had to pen a polemic against them called /"Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder/.

>>52070657
>>52070764
>Marx
>idealism
Literally the movement he was opposed to. He was a materialist in metaphysical and historical conception; he took at the root of the historical process Kantian competition, "unsocial sociability"--class emerges from competition, not vice versa. Thus why his call, even in the quite early Manifesto, is anti-moralist as much as it is anti-capitalist, and why his exhortation to the workers is not some grand scheme or morality, but this: you have nothing to lose but your chains. It is the self-interest of the worker, recognized as part of the class (itself not metaphysical, but the actually existing historical conditions of the capitalist mode of production), that Marx sees at the bottom of the current stage of class struggle.

But what should I expect from a thread about literal historical romanticism.

>>52073284
>But what should I expect from a thread about literal historical romanticism.
I mean, I literally stay on /tg/ to learn stuff, but this is really important.
Not the right place.

>>52067279
roundtable is just a ripoff of charlemagnes 12 peers anyway, anon

>>52068597
the japanese word for King is gender neutral.

>>52073617
Isn't that a later influence? I thought their roots were closer to the Fianna.

>>52068659
>put a tax burden on the very people that are being fucked sodeways by invaders already

ever been to Velen in Witcher 3? not a pretty place

>>52068384

Pretty much. I mean, the stories literally had 'Here is X, from Y foreign country. They are here to show off how badass this group is as even people that far away want to join'.

They had a Frenchman and a Babylonian prince. If they'd known about Asia at the time, you'd have found a Youxia and a Samurai in the tales too.

>>52074053
The king says it works, and the king is perfect. So there must be some good in it.

>>52073864
Japanese nouns generally aren't gendered

>>52068612
>I see. Is there not a japanese word to translate Queen and they use King for both genders?
Nah, it's just that Japanese men are no longer being socialized to interact with real females, but they're still horny, so 2D waifus are used as a substitute.

>>52073864
But there's still a distinct word for 'queen,' so... >>52070048
Tennō is the emperor of Japan specifically, other emperors are 'kōtei' (皇帝) while empresses are 'jotei' (女帝). So gender-equality is only for Japanese.

Yvain is the best goddamn knight.
All of his enemies wanted to 1v1 him, so he sicced his Lion on them.
One bandit lord went so far as to lock the lion in a separate cage behind an iron gate, then duel him in an arena.
The lion picked the lock of the cage and yvain lifted the gate, then sicced the lion.

>>52068384

Jason and the Argonauts did it first.

They even had the Hulk.

>>52072878
Clearly Excalibur