Why is so much fantasy just Europe or Japan? Other cultures only

>>52061288
It's because of racism. People can relate to white cultures, but they don't want to play as black people. Shame - Egypt has long and fascinating history.

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We see enough of these "Grrr me hate Europe fantasy" threads so often that I'm convinced it's some sort of secret Illuminati project to make people more accepting of globalism.

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>>52061328

Sensitivity towards cultural appropriation has gone too far.

>>52061288
>Why is so much fantasy just Europe or Japan?
Same answer as to every fucking thread with this question you made. People from other regions don't even write any fantasy besides wuxia or you don't know about it.

>>52061288
>Fantasy ancient egypt
>not wildly overdone
Also fuck this new kingdom bullshit. Literally the only time anything ever features Egypt it's the fucking New Kingdom period.

>>52061288
Not enough popular media as reference material.
People go for European or Japanese fantasy for the medieval theme the most because its the ones with the most available source material and the authors most familiar with.
Outside of medieval fantasy, fantasy settings is far more diverse, especially urban, modern or space fantasy settings.
Also, please stop spamming this shitty thread over and over again.

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>>52061288
>Something new, guys!
>Ancient Egypt

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>>52061406
WILL ROCK YOU

Needs more fantasy Koreans

>>52061406
ARE GIANTS

Should I go with a fantasy Egyptian scarab beetles? Would it be OK, or offensive?

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>>52061418
What about fantasy North Koreans?

>>52061406
WUZ

>>52061357
>cultural appropriation
Because having an interest of things beyond the border is badwrong.

It requires an advanced economy to support an industry premised on making useless shit for nerds to consume, so you tend to see these things springing more often from degenerate capitalist countries.

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>>52061288
just play GURPS nigger
whats your fucking problem?

>>52061464
I know that GURPS is a meme game over here and nobody actually, you know, plays it, but it used to be a big thing in Russia. Maybe still is, I don't know.

>>52061445
KANGZ

>>52061288
Because the Familiar sells well, and the, I guess familiar exotic, also sells well. Western Culture has a pretty lengthy history of fascination with the far east but not with those fucking slavers right across the med

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>>52061288
>Fantasy Egypt
>Not fantasy Rome
>Not fantasy Ancient Greece

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>>52061288
>I feel like a fantasy Ancient Egypt could be really cool.

"Alright, so what are the class options?"
"Slave or slaver."
"Okay... well, I want to be a slaver. What's the race options?"
"Only human. You can be black or Jew."
"Oh. I'd rather play D&D."

>>52061464
Pyramids aren't New Kingdom, sir.

>>52061288
Because the historical and economical situation means that those two regions export a lot of culture, plus you're most likely only reading fantasy made in the west for the west.

>>52061535
Lern2Kemet, aNOOBis

>>52061484
it isnt a meme if cou can do basic math what many mericans obviously struggle with

>>52061539
who talks about the new kingdom

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>>52061535
>Implying I can't play my woke Nubian God frying the evil white man with cancer from my third eye.

Yu-Gi-Oh used to have some ancient Egyptian stuff, before it got further up its own ass after GX. That's all I can think of at the moment.

>>52061433
That webm's precious

>>52061418
You mean drow?

>>52061588
Man, I really want to ironically play in an Ebonics-Punk Fantasy setting now. How would I do this?

>>52061288
>Why is so much fantasy just Europe or Japan? Other cultures only ever seem to get used as backdrops. I feel like a fantasy Ancient Egypt could be really cool.

Well Fantasy Europe covers a wide variety of cultures with a fairly broad variety of archetypes and variations of those archetypes. It also tends to have a lot of relics and ruins from the Ancient world lying around. Fantasy China, India, Arabia and even Japan tend to be similar in these regards.

>>52061288
And yet nobody fucking likes Mummy: the Curse.
What a surprise.

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>>52061433
They're called dark elves.

>>52061433
damn nigga, that's fucking kawaii

>>52061288
there are some versions of the WoD based in the middle east and egypt

do your reserch before you moan

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>>52061611
YGO's original lore was rooted in pseudo-magic-egypt.

They've branched out a lot, you've got a motorcycle gang based around different metals working with warriors based around the Chinese zodiac with oversized mecha arm weapons running around smacking jewish robot demons and a white dragon cult.

>>52061288
>I feel like a fantasy Ancient Egypt could be really cool.
Pathfinder tried that and it sucked.

Noteurope sells less than standard fantasy. Only generic systems have enough capital to throw at niche splats. Sometimes people put a lot of work into a niche game, but /tg/ tends to shit on them for being weird.

>>52061785
>jewish robot demons
What arc and/or series was that again?

>>52061588
WE

>>52061526
located in surprise, Europe

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>>52061938
>Italians and Greeks
>European

>>52061678
>Ebonics-Punk
-punk means low life, right?
Modern Africa + Unknown armies probably

>>52061288
Soft power

>>52061959
srsly nigga

>>52061288

because white people are obsessed with their heritage, so they only ever want to roleplay as faggot athurian legend shit

>>52061484
>GURPS is a meme game
>nobody actually, you know, plays it
Are you fucking insane? The hell you think GURPS GEN is for? To perpetuate the meme?

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>>52061288
MtG is doing that in a few months.

>>52061959
>This is what Nordics actually believe
While you guys were living in your huts like a bunch of dirty mexicans, WE were building EVROPA and doing non-degenerate things, like fucking little boys in the ass.

>>52062010
Let me rephrase the question, then. How do I play Ebonics Exalted, with the Yozi replaced with Yakub?

>>52061535
>Waaaaaa, I can't be half-elf kung-fu monk, waaaaaa!
>Better go back to D&D!
Yeah, you fucking should stick to it and never show your ugly mug anywhere at all.

>>52061959
Italians =/= Romans, you stupid cunt. Literal Germanic tribes in Italy.

>>52062060
Yes.

>>52061377
That might be trips, but thats wrong.
People are generally so confused and unknowing about history, that they don't understand how a society or groups of societies could be different.

And because they don't understand, they can't image it.
And because they can't image it, they go like "why go beyond the barebony Faux FrancoBrittain with flavors of Tolkien?"
Which also cause flavors such as:
-Modern mercantilism society
-SLAVERY IS EVIL
-City state are rare, even if they are the most common form of Society
-Churches are guild entities, even with REAL GODS with CHAMPIONS
-Excalibur, but no Carnwennan, Clarent, Seure or Rhongomyniad.

>>52061433
As based as she is, she comes from the only Modern culture that is alien to the rest of the sphere.
Most of Modernia is somewhat similar to Modernia. But NORK shares little of that.
Its like watching a cute version of some explorer talking about Natives, except its unfiltered and in reserve, allowing for things unexpected and far more impacting.

That said, there still exists Pre Modernia and Povertia.

>>52062066
I wish we could stick around Kaladesh.

>>52062085
You're wrong.

>>52061288

Because ancient Egypt has been done to fucking death and comes off as really lame. Its too obvious and too specific, it distracts for everything else.

Greek just gets folded into standard fantasy anyway int he way the gods are usually treated.

Norse has literally never been done right.

Everyone just sort of forgets that mesoamerican or russian mythology is a thing, outside of maybe 'lol aztecs' and 'lol baba yaga'.

No one can touch Hindu mythology without it turning too weird for western audiences to follow.

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>>52062060
>he thinks people who regularly visit generals actually play games

>>52062055
Ok racist.

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>>52061288
Because people don't research properly. Behold the powers of autism:

>Pic related was my contribution to a wuxia thread. The actual research isn't mine, but of a chinese fa/tg/uy.

>I also made a african fantasy answers thread in the weekend.
>>>52020553

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>>52062349
top kek

>>52062349
>African Fantasy
The MaShona Did Nothing Wrong. 'Ndabele get out REEEEEEE!!!

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>>52062301
I play and I visit. So did my entire party and that's how we assembled together. Turns out we were all living within 50 km radius.

>>52061678
>>52062010
Look up the terms "Afrofuturism" and "steamfunk".

>>52062643
Everytime I see a picture like that I'm reminded how there are literally brown asians and europeans in that picture. Literally the same facial structure as you find in say China, Japan, France or Poland. Just with brown skin and black hair.

You intellectually know every non-African is just a mutant African with less melatonin, but you don't realise it until you see some East-African with a regular white-guy face.

>>52061563
Is spelling not important?

If math was the biggest problem for GURPS then I would play it. I have an MA in pure math from UC Berkeley. I can do any math that GURPS might throw at me with no problems. But a far bigger problem (and just one of many problems that are worse than the math) is the bullshit skill system.

It might actually be worse than the cancerous fanbase.

>>52061337
That's just your mental illness anon

>>52062643
Ethiopia is a pretty /fa/ country

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>>52062643
>Mao

>>52063452
The differences are less noticeable, but they're still there. Even east-Africans will have some anatomical differences to Europeans and Asians that go more than skin deep.

>>52062643
And the Somali looks like an inbred psychopath.

I can't say it's inaccurate.

>>52061484
Loads of people play it, and it definitely id huge in Russia.

>>52063455
Bait

>>52061803
I agree. Mummy's Mask was no bueno

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>>52061433

>>52061288
I'm sure GURPS has a supplement that will give you exactly what you're looking for.

>>52061288
It's much easier to steal from an established setting

>>52061328
Stfu nigger

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Iv'e run a bunch of Fantasy China and Fantasy Arabia campaigns recently, and they went pretty well.

Currently in the initial stages of researching for Fantasy Polynesian setting.

Just as a major Disney movie based on Polynesian myth came out, so now I look like a bandwagoning hack. Oh well them's the breaks

>>52063452
>every non-African is just a mutant African with less melatonin
How can whitey even sleep at night knowing this?

>>52063372
>steamfunk

Actually doesn't look that bad.
You could spin it as the oppressed wearing the cast-offs of a cogfop society

>>52062277
"Russian mythology" has no more independent existence than, say, Danish mythology. It's Slavic, not Russian.

>>52063648
Sure there are differences.

But you can see where each non-African group came from in Africa. That's just crazy man.

>>52061357

Not once in my entire life have I ever seen or heard anyone even intimate that non-european settings for RPGs is cultural appropriation. First-hand seeing it or hearing people talk about it happening.

Never. Not once.

But anyway, mainly because it's what we know. The average D&D nerd doesn't know much about other settings and would have trouble replicating them without making it a dumb caricature.

>>52062072

ay holda-uppa a minute, wise guy, is youse sayin we wus romans n shiet?

>>52061337
He said Europe or Japan. You are just /pol/tarded.

>>52062085
Are Vikingaboos the most delusional people to ever live? They are.

>>52063452

You intellectually know every human is just a mutant chimp with less hair and short toes, but you don't realise it until you see some human with a regular chimp-guy face.

>>52063452
>Literally the same facial structure as you find in say China, Japan, France or Poland
Ignorance: the post.

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>>52061288
>Why is so much fantasy just Europe or Japan?
Because almost all countries where contemporary fantasy is popular are European or of European heritage. Only Japan is an exception, which in turn highly influences the West due to their disproportional soft power (especially in media influence, and especially in vidya. They practically defined the electronic RPG). The fact that Japan has also been an Asian outlier ever since the Meiji restoration created Western fascination with that country (weeabooism is about 200 years old, except in the early days only rich Frenchmen did it, it was socially acceptable and it was called "Orientalism").

How many more times do we have to repeat this same fucking question?

>>52061288
Because fairy tales about knights, princesses, etc are fairly ingrained into the popular consciousness, most people would need to look up a guide to imagine what a egyptian soldier would have looked like, most people can only really imagine the sickle wielding troops from "prince of egypt", where as saying knight will conjure up a very vivid images of plate armored, horse riding, chivalrous warriors

because people already have an idea of what to expect, its a lot easier to reel them into it, if you say "would you like to be a charioteer" they wont have a notion of what that might be like, where as saying "would you like to be a knight" will quickly give them a concrete character to work with

>>52064550
Yeah mah grekka. We wuz makin' culture and IMPERIUM and sheit!

>>52061288
I am quite sure there is a Stargate pen and paper rpg.

>>52066161
fuck really? what's it called?

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>>52061337

>>52061288
Auran Empire campaign setting has analogues for some near-east cultures.

Testament takes place in biblical areas, so mostly near-east.

Pendragon has modules that take you to the holy land.

The Conan universe has a lot of africa and middle-east in it. It's pretty darn racist, but Conan goes to those places often and cool shit happens there.

You also have american fantasy like the wild/weird west. >inb4 murica suxlol

>>52061448
I mean, this is one of the many straws of hay that got Trump elected. The whole "You can't enjoy things made by PoC or partake in activities also enjoyed by them, but PoC can still wear jeans, use cellphones, appreciate all the modern advancements created by European Peoples" Stuff. You don't see it much in the real world, but it's like a toxic cloud of poison in college that is very VERY annoying.

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>>52062066
Every time i see that fucking name

>>52061288
Because it's HARD to run a setting you're not familiar with. I'm doing an east-asian (not just Japan) themed game right now, and I am absolutely shocked by just how hard it is to keep coming up with consistent thematically appropriate material.

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>>52061535
>Class based system
>Egyptian based fantasy couldn't have fantasy races
> Egyptian based fantasy couldn't have fantasy professions
>playing DnD
DnD fags are so thick I swear to god.

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>>52066588
You have an orgasm?

>>52061328
Even tho I know it's bait I can't stop myself from REEEEEEEEing inside.

>>52061328
Ah yes, the proud white nation of Japan.

>>52066599
says the anon who took the joke seriously.

>>52066588
My LGS will not let me live this one down, being an ex-baghead who spent most of his weekends doing exactly that.

>>52062085

Actually the genetic influx in Italy seems to have been literally the lesser on in all post-Rome Europe.

Which, to me as an Italian, is probably sadder considering who we are now, but I digress.

Anyway, I dunno. Fantasy Egypt sounds good, the myths are cool and shit, but that civilization sounds kinds difficult to run adventures IN that civilization (as opposed to run adventures with outsider protagonists entering that or its ruins).

I mean:
>static civilization (yes, I realize it's not really, but jesus, in 3000 years it's the same shit)
>unified and pacified kingdom
>no social mobility (not a problem per se but adventureres aren't about that)
>isolated country with no enemies right there 99.999999999% of the time

I dunno, what would the heroes do? Battle Seth, Apophis and its desert minions? Sounds passable but pretty boring.

Maybe something like this. I dunno if any one here played Agon (Fantasy greece, very interesting but flawed game) but there the heroes are given quests by the gods themselves. In the game it's not really addressed but theoretically this might say that Zeus said that you gotta get the Cup of Emerald that the Satyrs have, but this would royally piss off Pan, which is a quest-giver and possible job boss in the future.

Now, Egypt was this very ordained and kinda static country, but it had its troubles.For example, priests of different cities/gods could be pretty much be at each other's troath for influence.

What if our heroes are kinda gods' mercenary/black ops? Doing not only what it is too dangerous for normal pepople to do (your usual "go in the lost pyramid of the lost city" stuff) but what shouldn't really be happening under the shining governace of our beloved Pharaoh?

To an extent every "class" would be a cultist/thief, so I guess specialization would be a little more creative. Nature, social, "magitech", military.

>oddly enough I think a Golden Sky Stories hack in not!Egypt would be pretty sweet.

>>52061539
thank you showing off that you know information nobody asked for.

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>>52061288

>Ancient egypt

Try ancient Akkad or Assyria or Babylon. The ancient mesopotamian empires were fucking hardcore:

>“I built a pillar over his city gate and I flayed all the chiefs who had revolted, and I covered the pillar with their skin. Some I walled up within the pillar, some I impaled upon the pillar on stakes, and others I bound to stakes round about the pillar…And I cut the limbs of the officers, of the royal officers who had rebelled…Many captives from among them I burned with fire, and many I took as living captives. From some I cut off their noses, their ears, their fingers, of many I put out the eyes. I made one pillar of the living and another of heads, and I bound their heads to tree trunks round the city. Their young men and maidens I burned in the fire.”


>[3.14.1] On the tenth day after the surrender of the walled city of Memphis, Cambyses took Psammenitus king of Egypt, who had reigned for six months, and confined him in the outer part of the city with other Egyptians, to insult him; having confined him there, he tried Psammenitus' spirit, as I shall show. [3.14.2] He dressed the daughter of the king as a slave and sent her out with a pitcher to fetch water, together with other girls from the families of the leading men, dressed like the daughter of the king. So when the girls went out before their fathers' eyes crying and lamenting, all the rest answered with cries and weeping, seeing their children abused; but Psammenitus, having seen with his own eyes and learned all, bowed himself to the ground. After the water-carriers had passed by, Cambyses next made Psammenitus' son go out before him with two thousand Egyptians of the same age, all with ropes bound round their necks and bridle-bits in their mouths. They were led out to be punished for those Mytileneans who had perished with their boat at Memphis; for such was the judgment of the royal judges, that every man's death be paid for by the deaths of ten noble Egyptians.

>>52062643

>tfw no Sahao gf

>>52061288
Egypt and Rome and Greece and Russia and Mongolia and Mezoamerican and Chinese mythology settings have all been done several times.

Generally speaking, nobody gives a fuck.

But if you're wanting to play them, they exist.

There's quite a few such supplements for BRP and its derivatives like RuneQuest, and for GURPS. There's also some for dnd and it's derivatives.

Green Ronin put out an Egypt setting for 3.5 called hamunaptra for instance. I believe I have it sitting in a box somewhere in storage, if I didn't give it away. Egypt has never really been my thing.c

BRP Mythic China and Wind on the Steppes and Blood Tide and Mythic Britain and Mythic Iceland and Vikings of Legend and the various Pendragon supplements were all pretty cool, if you're looking for historical inspired settings.

Mongoose' Conan setting books are pretty good for hyborian age world guides, too, though the maps are terrible and wrong.

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>>52061288
You just need Mesoamerica as itself... the fantasy is already there

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>>52061328
Dis.

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>>52061379
Where is it Anon. Show me.

>>52061288

Are you kidding? Egypt is used almost as much as Europe in stock fantasy settings. Golarion, Faerun, Warhammer Fantasy, WarCraft, etc etc etc

>>52062349
>pic
Super interesting stuff there.

What about an Arabian Nights or a Classical setting?

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>>52067268
>Which, to me as an Italian, is probably sadder considering who we are now, but I digress.
Friendly reminder that at its core, Italy is still a potentially great country.
Friendly reminder that Il Sorpasso lasted until 1997
Not all hope is lost, Itabro. All you need to do is stop electing bunga bunga leaders and smash the Germanic ponzi scheme known as the eurozone and get rid of Mutti Merkel's multicultural empire. Your ancestors will it!

>>52071350
This. Stick your arm down the lazy Beasts throat and drag Rome up to attention by it fucking testicles.

As a Brit I would rather have Rome2 at the border to deal with than Merkel. She is insidious. Rome was at least honest.

>>52071350
Italy has far worse problems from the corruption and mafia families.

>>52061684
>Well Fantasy Europe covers a wide variety of cultures with a fairly broad variety of archetypes and variations of those archetypes.
This. However, some people choose to ignore European diversity and put it all under the umbrella of "white people", as if all Caucasians everywhere have the same culture and history.

>>52062055
>because white people are obsessed with their heritage
So? All kinds of people talk all the time about how they're proud of or interested in their heritage. Or is that only a good thing when non-whites do it?

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>>52061328
I know its bait but its so hard not to take just a little bite.

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>>52064966
>if you say "would you like to be a charioteer" they wont have a notion of what that might be like
Sure they would. A charioteer is just someone who drives a chariot.

Although it's probably true that they'd envision something like pic related instead of something more "exotic".

>>52061288
Because Egypt is not really known all that well, and also: it's actually not really varied enough (both culturally and geographically) to carry over an entire settings. Ancient cultures inspired fantasy exists - in fact most and sword and sorcerery stuff is vaguely rooted in ancient cultures (mixing together elements of Rome, Greece, Mezopotamia, Egypt and Crete usually, with about as much fidelity and actual historical accuracy as high fantasy uses in relation to middle ages).

Egypt alone is actually a fairly narrow and unrelatable proposition: we have very little understanding or connection to their social order, their technologies are very far removed from our, their daily routines and outlooks fairly strange, our access to their folklore and imagination is limited.

I would like to see more varied fantasy settings, but just one culture is usually a bad idea. I'd love to see more fiction inspired by Middle East + Central Asia, for an example: there is enough space to cover there, enough different cultures and outlooks, and enough accessible literature and research to make it viable.

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Stop shitposting and post /yourgod/

>smart AF
>goddess of magic and secrets
>loyal beyond death to her family
>made sure Horus got his due
>repeatedly tricked Set into fucking up

>once got angry enough that she turned into a giant fucking serpent and personally slaughtered Set's allies to a man

What's there not to like?

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Ancient Egypt has good magical realm potential. They had a reputation for being quite attractive and they wore almost no clothing, with no taboo against walking around naked in public.

>>52072015
There is so much fucking wrong with this post. If you are going to reference a real-world mythological object, do at least the fucking basic research. You did not get even her name right. Isis is a greek goddess of a greek cult that was inspired/based on egyptian cult of Iset (or Aset).

But since we are here:
Djehuti (who was mistranslated into greek as Thoth).
God of scholarship, writing, smarts, wisdom, and justice. Coolest motherfucker in the entire pantheon.

>>52072030
The same can be said about just about 99% of all cultures in the world before the dominance of the three great religions. Also, after the first kingdom, where indeed women were usually displayed naked, all later representation show egyptian women wearing just as much clothing as women in Greece or later Rome.
You want to see magical realm in feminine clothing? Go to Creta, where women wore elaborate, rich dresses, but had their tits hanging out of them.

>>52072077
>You want to see magical realm in feminine clothing? Go to Creta, where women wore elaborate, rich dresses, but had their tits hanging out of them.
Stuff like that tends to make me think more "They had different ideas of what nudity is" than "They reveled in the beauty of the human body and liked to show themselves off and fuck a lot."

It seems like a Minoan would say "What are you talking about? I'm fully clothed." An Egyptian would say "Am I basically naked? Fuck yes I am, and it feels great. Why don't you get naked with me and then we can fuck?"

>>52072077
>If you are going to reference a real-world mythological object, do at least the fucking basic research.

Other than pointless etymological pedantry on Greek versus Egyptian name forms,what's your problem?

>>52072129
>It seems like a Minoan would say "What are you talking about? I'm fully clothed." An Egyptian would say "Am I basically naked? Fuck yes I am, and it feels great. Why don't you get naked with me and then we can fuck?"
It's the exact opposite way around, actually. When nudity is commonplace, it stops being sexual completely. Egyptian women did not wear clothes because it was simply deemed unnecessary, a waste of clothes and money. It was not about sexual liberation or enjoying your body, it was about minimizing expenses. You'll find this in basically any other culture that wears nearly-none or none clothes, or even in cultures that used to have contextual nudity available, such as Japan and even medieval Europe in association with bathing and spa culture.

The Minoan culture exposes feminine body intentionally: not because nudity is de-sexualized in a culture where nudity is commonplace, but because it wants to DRAW ATTENTION to the femininity, and re-sexualize it again. Deliberately covering some parts of a body and displaying others is done to give nudity and exposition context and meaning - usually of sexual tension and display. Common place nudity is done to REMOVE sexual charge and meaning from the display.

Once again, as fabrics became more accessible and Egyptian culture expanded and consolidated, clothing for females became common place - starting with the wealthy, and gradually becoming common even to lower social strata. It was no form of sexual oppression, but both pragmatic decision (as clothes still offer pragmatic benefits), and also actually refinement of female sexuality and status.

First-kingdom nudity in Egypt was asexual. It was more of "we are still basically a stone-age tribal society" thing.

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>>52062275
>I wish we could stick around Kaladesh.
I've finally found the only person who likes Kaladesh.

>>52061288
ever modern japanese fantasy are just jrpg fantasy world these day.

>>52072133
That "pointless etymological pedantry" is really a difference between two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT CULTS PROPAGATED BY TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT EMPIRES you god damn idiot.

Half of what you yapped on about has nothing to do with actual egyptian mythology. There is no egyptian myths in which Aset was a "badass" or "turned into a snake". She was the goddess of motherhood, a patron of children, needy and suffering, a kind and gentle symbol of femininity.

All the bullshit you described is something propagated by GREEK FUCKING RULING CAST during Ptolemaic rule of Egypt, establishing their own, entirely fucking new religion and culture over the very little that was left of the original culture, replacing original cults of Ra, Usiref and others with a completely new cult entirely centered around Greek goddess Isis, who merely borrowed some elements of the original Egyptian Aset in order to be more platable to the original population.

The goddess you described has about as much in common with the original Egyptian cults as the cult saint Wenceslaus in Bohemia had with the original slavic god Svetovid. That is my point you god damn fucking idiot.
Check your fucking facts next time.

>>52072222
Correction: I meant Saint Vitus. Wensecslaus was the one who popularized the cult of Saint Vitus in order to capitalize on popularity of Svetovid among slavic nations.

>>52072174
Egyptians *were* pretty infamous for being perverted, though.

It's already been nailed by a few people, but here's basically the thing:

When people go "medieval Europe based fantasy" they are incorporating a large span of cultural and geographic variation into the basic idea of it to make for varied gameplay. To go back to the granddaddy of "medieval Europe" fantasy worlds, JRR himself, his books stretched from a small-scale farming society based on the British countryside to a crumbling former superpower in Gondor to viking-based Rohirrim and beyond. And that's not even counting the brief glimpses of even more distant cultures which play into the books, or the purely made-up shit with traces of real-world inspiration like the elves, dwarves and orcs. Regardless of what you might think of Tolkien and his inspiration on fantasy, you cannot with a straight face say that his worked lacked nuance.

In the context of the topic in OP, an ancient Egypt based fantasy world would not correspond to Middle Earth, or Faerun, or Golarion, or Westeros, or Glorantha. It would correspond to one nation within that sort of geographic area. As somebody said further up, a campaign world like that should more appropriately be based on the bronze age mediterranean/middle east civilizations as a whole, not just on Egypt. You'd have not-Minoans, not-Myceneans, not-Hittites and not-Egyptians giving a diverse array of political and social environments to set adventures in, geographical diversity so the party can travel and get a change of scenery, and more religions to draw magic and mythology from.

The real strength in the medieval fantasy type of setting isn't that it's more "familiar" or any kind of weird racist agenda. It's that it offers up more options and ideas for a GM and a player to create characters and adventures for. If you don't want to run a campaign in a sedentary small-scale farming country you can just do one in the wild, untamed nomadic tribal lands a little bit further off.

>>52072402

So in the end, it comes down to choice. If you're a fan of ancient Egyptian stuff, you will happily select the ancient Egyptian fantasy setting. But if you're a fan of literally anything else, you will most likely not pick it and go for something with a wider array of cultures to pick from. And even in a more "generic" setting you can always squeeze in not-Egypt somewhere for the players to visit.

That's basically the reason that the dominating games in the RPG market have always been multiple choice.

>>52072355
Once again, no less than any ancient or traditional culture. The only really perverted aspect of the Egyptian culture we actually have strong testimonies off is the symbolic practice of male-on-male rape as an act of humiliation in conflict, famous from certain version of the Hor vs. Sutekh conflict. It does contain multiple references to both dieties raping each other after victories in battles in various ways.
Other than that, you have Aset impregnating herself on dead Ausire (or in a different version, with a penis made out of Ivory that Djehuti gave her in replacement of Ausires, which was eaten by fish).
None of this is particularly weird or shocking in context of similar mythologies of similar cultures of the same type and age.
We don't have much other reports of particularly weird or deprived sexual behavior among Egyptians. We do know that they did have some of the most efficient contraceptives of their time, and sex industry was presumably a big deal, but that is all. Also, all of this culture comes from second kingdom or later on.
The first kingdom, the only one where female nudity seemed to be a perfect commonplace (as we have very little depictions of clothed females from that era) was really a very primitive society. Mostly just small tribal villages living largely in isolation.

Again, if you want descriptions of non-mythological sexual perversion in ancient world, both Messopotamia and Minoa are your go-to-places. In Minoa, ritual mating with a bull was described as part of several yearly celebrations, and you should hear about the shit Ishtar has been doing to her lovers at time.

>>52072355

As with much of our knowledge of Egypt, that's a matter of debate. Most things we only know about either through archaelogical speculation or through very biased foreigners viewing Egyptian culture and making judgments on it from an outsiders point of view.

We know that incest was quite common in the royal families in the New Kingdom and earlier, but there's not a lot of evidence that this went beyond people of "Noble" blood from what little tomb inscriptions we have for commoners. The royals married their siblings for the same reason other royal houses ended up promoting cousin marriage (like the Habsburgs of Europe), namely to strengthen their claims to the throne and assert their authority. There may also have been ideas that the roýal blood was kept "pure" by intermarriage, but we don't really have any textual evidence of it AFAIK.

Other sexual practices are very poorly known. Late mythological texts speak of masturbation and homosexual intercourse, but only in the context of the gods, never about humans (that I know of). There's some sexual graffiti and similar preserved, but we don't know if it's supposed to be erotic, satirical or both. The Turin erotic papyrus may be a portrayal of prostitution, or just someone's idea of a hot spank mag. It's extremely hard to contextualize how the ancient Egyptians saw sex because there's no real accounts of it until Greco-Roman times, by which point the glory days of Egyptian culture were already over.

So in short, who the fuck knows

>>52061288
You reminded me that people used mummies as medication

>>52071350
>Friendly reminder that Il Sorpasso lasted until 1997

Wasn't the grist of it that it worked because nobody was paying taxes and because the Lira was cheap during the period?

How real is the concern over the "black Egyptians" controversy for game publishers? I honestly thought that was a joke until a Murrican friend of mine informed me that some fringe groups are super militaristic about it.

>>52072494
>you remind me that the English used to eat human flesh

>>52072662
They were dark enough to be niggers in the US, aka "black". That's really all the controversy comes down to. It's insubstantial whenever you aren't playing with a bunch of US citizens.

>>52072662
there's a heavily armed fringe group about literally every topic in america, don't take it seriously

>>52072738
>That's really all the controversy comes down to.
No, it does not. Not even remotely. The controversy has a very deep roots, mostly tied to the more aggressive elements of black liberation movement in the 60's/70's, with radical racial critical theory, BLA and Black Panther movements, and Dwight York and his various movements, including Nuwaubian Nation.
Do your basic research next.

>>52072662
>"Ramses II was a Red haired cymnotricheleucoderma", that is a fair-skinned person with wavy red hair."

Other pharaohs are viewed as more typically North African, and some are viewed as mixed African European.

Which is to say: it varied.

>>52063455
>GURPS skill system bullshit
buy DnD and go dungeon dwelling nigger

>>52061959
>literally invented the term 'europe' to describe the landmass that they lived on
>not european
ok

>>52072774
>>52072761
>>52072738

I only meant "how much flak will a company catch for publishing an Egyptian game in the US". I have read up on the whole debate and seen that pretty much every single youtube video on ancient Egypt has people trolling on this topic in the comments.

But I'm still not sure how much of a problem it would be for a company in real, hard economic terms. Could they get sued? Could they go bankrupt because they'd catch so much bad press over it?

>>52072774
>typically North African,
This does not mean anything. And we have a lot of ethnical data on the egyptians: in fact there are still ethnical descendants of the group.
They are called Copts and just like the DNA analysis of original existing perserved egyptian bodies, and as etnographic projection simulations suggest, they are ethnically closely related to the semitic populations.

>>52072795
Not that guy, but the pricing of skills in GURPS is pretty stupid for a game. They should be priced based on how useful they are, possibly adjusted on a per campaign basis.

And remembering what skill can default to what is a bit convoluted.

>>52061288
>What is Stargate

By the way, there is an Italian horror RPG called "Sine Requie", where the Death have risen again during the second world war, along with the Pharaohs, that became beings of immense power and started rule Egypt again.

>>52072828
People have done it several times, so, no, it's fine.

The trove in
>>52071202
Has a couple Egyptian rpg setting books.

>>52072829
Still, not all of them, what with Ramses ii being a ginger. And from what I read, some of them also came up Nubian, not Coptic.

>>52072844
Stargate is scifi, not fantasy.

It's not hard scifi, but it's scifi.

>>52072774

Most DNA analyses we have so far that are trustworthy point towards the majority of ancient egyptians being closely related to north african people like the Berbers. Or at least that was the case the last time I checked. That would have made them a light brown-ish. There doesn't appear to have been a lot of influx of sub-sahran DNA until much later, and even then only in minor ways

>>52066281
I would like to see a real example of the writing of Conan being racist.

>>52072830
>They should be priced based on how useful they are
what bullshit they should be based on how hard they are to learn and how common they are

example for stupid people
in many modern age settings reading is a very important skill
you get informations, orders and so on in letters, notes and books, but should reading be an expensive skill for this reason in a world were 90% of people can read?

>>52072828
>But I'm still not sure how much of a problem it would be for a company in real, hard economic terms
literally none. The left kick up a big stink about forcing coloured people and women into games but they literally do not buy them no matter what. Same with comics, although they do have a presence in tv/film.

>Could they get sued? Could they go bankrupt because they'd catch so much bad press over it?
No, and as long as they don't piss off the people who actually buy it they'll be fine.

Seriously, take anything 4chan says with a grain of salt. In fact, don't pay any attention to both sides of the retarded gender/race politics in america at the moment because it's all absurd

>>52072862
>what with Ramses ii being a ginger
Yes, there is no such thing like a red-headed jew, right?
Are you fucking kidding me... of course NO population is ethnically completely uniform, especially not one very much on a crossroad between several different major ethnical groups. There were descendants of Nubians (though probably mostly treated as second-class citizens, considering the usual depiction of a black person in egypt art is universally that of an inferior), there were descendants of all kinds of traders, invaders and rabble that came across from Minoa, various kingdoms of Mezopotamia, Chetitia etc...

But in absolute vast majority, Egyptians were a separate, typical settled ethnical group with shared ancestors with Semites: all comming pretty much from the same original population once inhabiting the regions of Anatolia and the Fertile Crest.
Everything else was just exceptions.

>>52072830
>>52072880
or should it be based on the setting and decisions of the gm how it is in GURPS

sidenote the skill costs in GURPS arent fix they are play tested suggestions
(a thing you would now if you had accually playd a single round with a halfway competent gm)

>>52072862
>ome of them also came up Nubian
One or two royal bodies from fairly early history, and it was blowned up incredibly due to it's implications of the Black Egyptian BULLSHIT American radical Black liberation cunts have been pushing.

It turned out it was very much an isolated incident: presumably, upper Egypt was taken over by a Nubian warlord for a limited amount of time. While one or two mummies have been found to be of presumably Nubian origin, the rest of the bodies from the same time were all of the same pseudo-semitic type as the Copts are. No further Nubian genotypes were found before, or after, and none have been found outside of high-ranking graves (it is presumed for those to be royal graves, but it isn't actually confirmed. Enscriptions on the graves also provide egyptian names, but that does not mean much, because those names have been frequently re-written.
It's in fact also possible that somebody just broke into the grave, removed the original body and replaced it with a Nubian one. As weird as it may sound, that kind of shit happened a lot in Ancient Egypt.

>>52072763
>mostly tied to the more aggressive elements of
black liberation movement in the 60's/70's,
US American
>with radical racial critical theory, BLA and
US American
>Black Panther movements
Us American
>Dwight York
US American

But do keep on digging that hole.

>>52072862
>>52072829
Berber gingers aren't unheard of. They're about as uncommon as they are anywhere else, but they do exist.

>>52072615
>nobody was paying taxes
No idea about that, but I imagine that a system where taxes aren't levied really doesn't have a high GDP. Because the state's coffers are filled with taxes.

>and because the Lira was cheap
You mean the currency was adjusted towards the economic needs of the country? What a strange and novel idea! That almost makes me believe Italy would be doing better if they weren't using the Deutschmark!

>>52072997
>Berber gingers aren't unheard of
The current queen of Morocco is one.

>>52062277
Combine Mesoamerican mythology with Ancient Egypt and the Khmer. Boom, pyramids everywhere with some new shit.

>>52062277
>russian mythology

Crazyass world on top of a cosmic mushroom where wizard-lich-kings control everything from atop their palaces with magical chicken legs.

>>52072997
Probably might have something to do with the fact that ethnical berbers are the members of the same proto-ethnical group as Egyptians, Cushans and Semites? Literally all subdivisions of the same large ethnic group that came from somewhere east-asia or levant (the regions where agriculture developed and which suffered a major population boom, causing mass scale migrations and re-colonization of North Africa, Mediterrania and Arabian penninunsula.
Berbers are more ethnically related to Egyptians and Jews than they were with groups like Nubians.

>>52072997

Yeah, that's what I mean. When you see people go "the pharaohs were BLACK" and have some picture of a Bantu dressed up in pharaonic regalia that's kind of missing the point. African populations are as genetically diverse from each other as they are from Europeans or Asians or whatever, so just bunching them together into "black" is pretty silly.

Not to say there weren't actual sub-saharan black pharaohs, of course. The 25th dynasty was fully Nubian, if I remember right

>>52073019
It was allegedly that a lot of the production for the export-market was done in mom-an-poppa shops that didn't pay taxes in combination with the income generated by export-oriented production being kept reasonably high by deflating the Lira all day ery day.

>That almost makes me believe Italy would be doing better if they weren't using the Deutschmark!
More like they'd be doing better if the German government didn't have to sell the changeover from D-Mark to Euro to its voters via the Maastricht-rules, which supposedly simulated D-Mark-policies within the Euro.

>>52072988
>But do keep on digging that hole.
Digging what hole? Did you see anyone claiming that this issue did not come from America? Are you retarded or something?
People called you out on your claim that the issue comes from "egyptians being dark skinned". No you cretin, it came from the need to re-invent Black American Minority history and image as part of a radical revolutionary movement, which actually gathered enough influence to begin pressuring educative and academic institutions in US, and sadly, consequentally began affecting the rest of the world.

>>52073154
I remember some geneticist in a documentary talking about how there's more genetic difference between a guy from Tanzania and a guy from Ethiopia than between a guy from France and a guy from Japan.

>>52073199
No fucktard. It's just basic American retardation. That's all it is.

A historian who mainly writes about how to teach history discussed it in an article. The idea of Egyptians being black doesn't come out of education, it comes from a lack of education.
>africa = black
>egypt = in africa
>egypt = black

>>52073213

Strangely yes, that seems to be the case. The genetic drift since the stem groups that left Africa migrated to the other continents has not been enough to diversify them more than the various people who stayed. It's not that strange when you consider you can trace DNA or RNA lineages back tens or hundreds of thousands of years and discover that you can still trace clear lineages of migrations through it.

>>52073154
>The 25th dynasty was fully Nubian, if I remember right
It was fully Kush, to be specific. And it basically marked the end of Egypt itself, as the 26th dynasty was a puppet rule for Assyrians. They were natively Egyptian, but in order to slowly delegitimate Egyptian independent claim, they already actively tried to dissolve the existing history and institutions and distance themselves from the original cultural heritage: they were also the last native Egyptian history before the Persian invasion, and, well, the last native ethnically Egyptian rules ever to be. Unless somehow, Copts manage to get rule over present day Egypt, but in that case it would be hard to argue they are still the "natives" there anyway.

Basically, since Kashta's invasion, Egypt was never an independent kingdom again.

That said, there were Nubian rules in Egypt apparently, much earlier than that. The 12th dynasty has been both depicted and partially genetically confirmed to be non-native to egypt, presumably coming from Awan region (once a border of Upper Egypt and Nubia, taken by Egyptians from Nubians in Early kindgom era), for an instance.

>>52073199
>and sadly, consequentally began affecting the rest of the world.

It did not. Nobody gives two shits about black Pharao-theories anywhere that isn't the US because the combination of the US-model of biracialism with a large percentage of disenfranchized and alienated nonwhite citizens wasn't present anywhere else in the western world after WW2.

This shit only exists in the US in the first place because US Anglos called everyone who wasn't them - Japanese, Poles, Irish, Chinese, Americans, Spaniards - niggers. They created the political space in which the black liberation movement and artists like Sun Ra felt that it was okay to mash up everything non-US American Anglo Saxons into bricks for an actual black identity, which is the drive behind the Black Pharaos-thesis.

And even today, you have to actually hang out on the US-dominated parts of the net to even hear about those black pharaos.

>>52073332
Mind you, Sun Ra was never serious about the whole black pharao stuff. He just liked combining African themes with Egyptian themes and some UFO stuff. It fitted well with his weird jazzy experimental music.

>>52073240
I really don't know what to tell you here. You are screaming what a fucktard I am because you are... basically saying what I'm saying, except with much less detail and much dumber generalizations? What the FUCK is wrong with you? Can you even read?

I JUST FUCKING DESCRIBED how the "egyptians are black" came from ideological push needing to find new cultural and ideological grounds for newly emerging revolutionary group of black Americans. They did not chose egypt because "egyptians are dark skinned", they did so because they exploited research concerning relationship between Numidian (ethnically black) and Egyptian (basically semitic) cultures, especially "sensational" discovery of the XII Dynasty, and also because most american blacks felt association with Africa, and this movement could have not found any more iconic Africa-related culture. It had fuck all to do with skin-color, because every single existing iconic depiction of Egyptian shows them as relatively fair skinned for fuck sake. They are no less fucking black than Latinos.

Jesus fucking Christ dude: I'm literally correcting imprecisions in what you are saying with more detail on the history and you are throwing a bitchfit pretending like I'm entirely wrong?
Get your shit together and don't post until you fucking figure out what you have just done wrong. Now fuck off. I'm done with you.

>>52073350
There was no ideological push. At least not from academically educated civil right movements.

The idea of "every Egyptian was black" just comes from typical American retardation.

>>52073332
>US Anglos called everyone who wasn't them - Japanese, Poles, Irish, Chinese, Americans, Spaniards - niggers.
Uh... this has to be like THE DUMBEST THING I've seen on this board whole month.
I actually don't have have the enough words to express how insanely stupid this thing is. This is such an insane asspull, such a mind-numbingly dumb claim that I think it would deserve a screenshot and participation on one of those "dumbest things ever said on 4chan threads."

I'm quite literally speechless. Jesus Christ. Never ceases to amaze, this place.

>>52073345
He also used a lot of japanese themes. He's very representative of the alliance among nonwhites African-Americans were trying to forge.

>>52073199
I'm American and I literally never hear about the "Egyptians were black" debate except on 4chan. Ancient Egypt was like a week of history class in highschool, it's not and will never be an important subject for Americans. Just because you found 3 websites dedicated to its propoganda doesn't mean it has any impact on the real world

>>52069141
DAS RITE!

>>52073411
American history class is so odd. I remember sitting through the Vietnam war in class here in the Netherlands next to an American exchange student.

At first he expected to easily get through the subject since he already had sat through the Vietnam war back in the USA, but then it just went deeper and deeper. He didn't even know about the shady shit going on with the North-Vietnamese torpedoes.

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>thread about fantasy ancient egypt and non european setting
>nice, I hope it will be full of worldbuilding and good idea
>MUH BLACK PHARAOH WE WUZ KANG

CAN'T YOU JUST STOP TALKING ABOUT RACE FOR A FUCKING SECOND YOU FUCKING BURGER, HOLY SHIT!

And to not totally waste a post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgHOPMoaIvk&index=9&list=RDGz-Rh8lkRew

>>52073390
>This is such an insane asspull

It is no asspull, really. It's hilariously easy to find instances of pretty much every type of non-Anglo-Saxons being directly likened to African-Americans. African-Americans weren't trying anything novel when they tried to build their coalition of all people considered coloured within US borders - they just used the space created by a couple of centuries of white discourse.

>>52061288

What is Stargate?

>>52073455
>He didn't even know about the shady shit going on with the North-Vietnamese torpedoes.

"And when the US found out that their puppet government wouldn't survive an actual election, they started gassing voters."

>>52073358
https://blackandintellectual.com/blog/were-ancient-egyptians-black-history
You'll find an entire list of resources of Egypt-was-black movement authors (mostly from the seventies on). The article is bullshit, but the sources he cites do exist, and are all part of a very-active-at-time ideological movement that actually had measurable impact on education and academic circles in USA.
I particularly point out to:
Christopher Ehret, Robin Walker and Robert Bauval. Robin Walker is the guy who wrote "When We Ruled", the 2005 title that spawned the "WE WUZ KINGS AND SHIT" craze, in an attempt to revive black critical theory movement and authors like Derrick Bell, a psychopath who among other wrote extensive pseudo-historical fiction about Black Egypt as well as advocated extermination of whites in the late 70's. He wrote also some quite damn nasty racially-chargerd sci-fi. Fun guy, most of his texts are available on line. He was actually a professor at fucking Harward at that time.
But yeah, absolutely no ideology. Its poorly educated white people thinking egypt is black, even though 99% of the controversies come from black academicians demanding west to stop "white-washing" Egypt. Totally.

>>52071350
>get rid of multicultural empire
Anon Rome was THE multicultural empire that shamelessly stolen all good idea from their neighbours and integrated them.
The moment they stopped expanding and mixing with others culture is the moment when degeneration that leads to fall started.

>>52073411
>I'm American and I literally never hear about the "Egyptians were black" debate except on 4chan.
You are lucky and presumably don't have to deal with American critical theory-influenced scholars or students, or do not have to keep track of american political undertones in public and media related discussions. The last time there was a MAJOR outcry about this was with the release of Gods Of Egypt. But if you actually enter an academic debate about North Africa with an american scholar, this shit rises up every single time.

>>52073457
Dude, outside of a deliberate use of "nigger" as "anyone I don't like" which is mostly a result of very recent increasing taboo placed on that word (the taboo logically increases it's weight as an insult), nobody fucking every really thinks Japs, Latinos and Somaly as being the same. Nobody calls Japs "niggers" thinking of that term in the same ethnical fucking sense you moron: they just adjusted the use of the word "nigger" to basically mean the same as "cunt" or "motherfucker".
Jesus you people, you really aren't very smart when it comes to language.

Nobody REALLY thinks Japs, Arabs, Jews or ancient Egyptians were DARK SKINNED for fuck sake. Provocateurs call everyone a nigger to get a reaction out, but NOBODY THINKS THEY WERE ACTUALLY DARK SKINNED.
The claim that they were, actually, niggers in the sense of being of central-african origin, have a black skin and all the other superficial traits of black person comes from entirely different cycles. That comes from activists and pseudo-academicians, from political and ideological pressures. Not from some fucking hillbillies.

>>52069532
This.

Does the OP even play D&D?

>>52073508
>bunch of tinfoil fringe shite
>BUT THEY HAD A MEASURABLE IMPACT ON EDUCATION AND ACADEMIC CIRCLES!

No they didn't.
And black academics are demanding more archaeological searches in ACTUAL BLACK AFRICA. They're not demanding a reevaluation of Egyptian history, because there's hardly Egyptian history left to investigate. You fucking mongoloid.

>>52073549
>Dude, outside of a deliberate use of "nigger" as "anyone I don't like" which is mostly a result of very recent increasing taboo placed on that word (the taboo logically increases it's weight as an insult), nobody fucking every really thinks Japs, Latinos and Somaly as being the same.

We got caricatures that directly liken the political function of the Irish in the North to that of the Africans in the South, Anon. It goes a bit deeper than that.

>>52073549
>You are lucky and presumably don't have to deal with American critical theory-influenced scholars or students, or do not have to keep track of american political undertones in public and media related discussions. The last time there was a MAJOR outcry about this was with the release of Gods Of Egypt. But if you actually enter an academic debate about North Africa with an american scholar, this shit rises up every single time.
Nope. As someone who actually works with (American) historians and academics, you're full of shit.

Saying American historians are always talking about black pharaohs is like saying American biologists are always talking about how God created life.

>>52073579
He's a /pol/ retard. He's lost to us. No amount of fact and logic can safe him.

>>52073293
>It was fully Kush,

Right, yeah. If I recall correctly all of the Intermediate periods had some foreign rulers on the throne at some point, probably because after the collapse of previous authority it was easy to move in.

It still amuses me when people talk about Clepoatra VII as "the last of the Pharaohs" or "the last Egyptian queen" or something.

>The 12th dynasty has been both depicted and partially genetically confirmed

That's pretty interesting. One of those lesser-known dynasties too.

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>Run a one-shot in Generic Medieval Europe setting
>Players complain that it's bland and boring

>Plan out a Planescape campaign, multiple worlds, lots of inspiration from Chinese folklore, Hinduism, and Buddhism
>Players don't understand
>One player describes the planes as "planets" to another player
>Literally no one paid attention to plot
>End up dropping the campaign after two sessions
>mfw

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>>52073579
Old political cartoons about the Irish always crack me up.

>>52073675
>probably because after the collapse of previous authority it was easy to move in.
There was simply a problem of actually differenciating between Nubian and Egyptian borders. Egypt presumably invaded/colonized/vassalised Nubia pretty early in it's history, and the two territories blended quite a lot, with major cultural influences flowing both ways (interestingly enough, languages stayed very separate though). As with the 12th dynasty, the presumed place of origin of this dynasty lies RIGHT at the conventional border between Egypt and Nubia, a place whose actual ownership is actually pretty hard to determine.
That said, the images of those people pretty clearly display members of that dynasty as distinctly physiologically different from previous rulers, as well as depiction of non-royal blood-line. They seemed to either usurp the throne after the collaps of the 11th dynasty, or possibly could have been an off-shoot, maybe descendents of Egyptian princess married off to wealthy southern, Nubian house or even possibly royalty.

>>52073685
Not wishing to be confrontational, but maybe you have made some mistakes along the way of introducing your settings to the player. Inventing an interesting original world is one thing, presenting it to your player is another. Most people won't be able to cope with extensive info-dumps or overload with foregin concepts and need to be eased into the settings.

I have a setting that is pretty odd, mostly based on Middle-Eastern and Central Asian influences with a hefty bit of anachronism, heavily driven by Gnostic-like and Indian esoteric views of the world - it's generally weird all around and my players had little or no experience with any of that shit previously.

I started with small, local political micro-campaigns set in one of the least weird cultures, and gradually build up: from teach the players about the most "familiar" pagan culture and their local tribal and ethnical customs and traditions, gradually allowed them to expand their horizons, and took the introduction of the world slow step by step, and it worked well.
It helped that my group is fairly patient and does not mind small-scale play, and that we also talked about the settings and it's influences a lot outside of the game.

>>52073805

Yeah, Egypt always considered Nubia to basically be their property, since it was so geographically convenient and had a lot of valuable raw materials that the people north wanted. I can see how there would have been a lot of interbreeding going on.

As a side note, i find the Nubian pantheon of gods rather interesting as little as we actually know about them. A lot of loan gods from the north, but also a few who seem to have been either fully indigenous or created after the model of the Egyptian deities by the local population.

Egypt had the same attitude towards the bordering regions of the Levant as well IIRC, but they quickly found that it was a huge hassle to try to hold on to those areas due to the confrontational powers that rose in that area.

>>52061785
Best YGO arc was the one with the seal and three dragons. I didn't even watch past the second season of Duel Academy, and I can assure you that nothing tops the seal of oricalcos arc.

>>52073856
>maybe you have made some mistakes along the way of introducing your settings to the player
Probably, but he was the most vocal about my usual settings being boring. He was also that one guy that reads every settings player's guide, and he had already read the generic Planescape one for AD&D2e, so it was weird that he referred to the planes as "planets"

>>52071904

>Black Power
shows that they care for their heritage and that nothing can bring them down

>White power
OH MY FUCKING GOD HE'S PROUD THAT HE IS WHITE. RACIST! NAZI! KILL HIM!

>>52066648
>Only white people can be racist

All these arguments seem to stem from the idea that a person is either black, white, latino or asian, with no spaces in-between.
Sometimes that might work, but since Egypt is one of the in-between spaces "WE WUZ KANGZ" is stupid and wrong, and "EGYPTIANS WEREN'T BLACK U NIGGER" is just as stupid and just as wrong.

>>52074014
>so it was weird that he referred to the planes as "planets"
Some people are very bad at reading. Still, I would not let it disencourage you. Rather just sit back and think a little more about "how much strange is too strange" and "how to easy your players into it". Planescape-Esque multiverse is a pretty big jump from generic fantasyland, and dumping your player in the middle of it is dangerous.
I generally found it very helpful to start with a highly isolated, small environment, in which you slowly introduce player to the basics, and then only gradually open it up to new realms.
For an example, in that campaign of mine, the players started first three sessions basically between three small, remote isolated villages, learning to accept having to roleplay (and deal) with people who have fairly different outlooks on world than your average generic fantasy villagers. Once they learned to understand why these people fear to speak their own names, "burry" their dead by propping them on the slopes of mountain to dry up into mummies, and why killing a dog is considered a worse crime than killing a human, I introduce a character of a trader visiting from far away land that introduced them to the existence of other cities, of other lands etc... As the characters run away from their home villages and gradually made their way from the outreaches of the world towards the center, they encountered more and more aspects of the world: by the way they reached the first major city-state, they were already pretty well versed in the world.

>>52074016
If I had to guess, I'd say that that was because white power rallies are very deeply associated with groups like the KKK. There's nothing inherently racist about being proud to be white, but the people who actually turn up for the rallies are considered to be racist, and I would guess probably are (although of course I could be wrong).

Also, white people shouldn't need rallies to remind us how great we are. We already know we're the best.

>>52074162

That and 'White' is a god damn broad group. You don't see people getting angry about 'Irish pride' or 'Italian pride' stuff. In america, however, 'black' has become rather a culture of it's own due to the loss of prior culture in many cases due to it's history.

Most black people in america have no clue what part of Africa their ancestors came from and thus have no real cultural ties to such.

The circumstances around each are not really the same.

>>52074162
>Also, white people shouldn't need rallies to remind us how great we are. We already know we're the best.
But what if you're a braindead white piece of trash who never had any education?

Because that's what "WHITE POWER" really is. Just a bunch of poor starving retards that don't want to be reminded that they're poor starving retards.

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>>52062643
>Mursi
What the fuck is that?

>>52074210
Weren't most slaves taken from West-Africa?

>>52074162
>There's nothing inherently racist about being proud to be white,
According to more radical left-wing interpretation of social dynamics, this is not actually true. While the origin of this kind of ideas is more-or-less as you described it, the theoretical grounds that more recently emerged are actually framing the whole problem somewhat differently.

According to quite a few "progressive left" activists, the nature of racism can be actually better explained through Marxist/Critical theory of thinking, that tends to simplify understanding of human social dynamics in terms of exercise of power. According to this point of view, racism is just another form of power-exercise: a more powerful, oppressing group enforces it's own agenda (though things like racial stereotypes aimed to control/disencourage/disadvantage their victims) onto the weaker, oppressed group.
By this definition, racism really is just an exercise in power, and hence you can't really consider acts of already marginalized and relatively power-less group against the stronger, majority group "racist", because as a marginal identity-group, they simply lack the power to make it really harmful to the majority group.

I'm not actually agreeing with this attitude. But it's very real and fairly infuential among contemporary academics and even some portions of left-wing oriented activists.

>>52074317
Well, that doesn't fit all forms of racism.

Billy-Bob the Hick from Retardville won't have much power to wield over minorities, because he's a poor fucking retard.

His racism won't come from a position of power, it comes from a position of (economic and intellectual) weakness. It's a method of mentally pulling himself up.

Very different from the kind of flipflop racism that you find among rich white middleclass/upperclass people.
>you're poor and black so i see you as lesser
>you're rich and black so i see you as a peer

>>52061288
Christ son. Don't forget Norse.

Norse are always used when you want to be Not!Europe

>>52074386
>Billy-Bob the Hick from Retardville won't have much power to wield over minorities, because he's a poor fucking retard.
The fundamental principle of Marxist philosophy is that individuals don't really matter: a more abstract and broad categories of identity do. Individuals are always merely tools or victims of group-based dynamics. Billy-Bob the Hick is just a manifestation of a broader conflict going on, happening on whites-vs.-blacks (or men-vs.-women, straight-vs.-gay, thin-vs.-fat, able-vs.-young etc...) scale. Harmfulness of Billy-Bob's words comes from the fact that they STILL participate on the global-scale conflict which inherently statistically disadvantages blacks and benefits whites. All things added up, thousands of Billy-Bobs and their inconsiderate words eventually create a normative or standard of communication in which it's OK to view blacks as inferior, thus exploit them by whites.
Billy-Bob is actually driven by normatives and standards inherent (or at least present) to white identity. He is actually a bit of a victim himself: he does what his identity drives him to do.

Once again, I don't agree with this shit. Personally, I'm of the humble opinion that racism is bad because it results in individual people being misjudged and potentially mistreated based on ill-based assumptions, resulting both in harming the victim of racism (by depriving him of opportunities, increasing his sense of resentment towards the society etc...) and the racist, by simply actually making him waste his own resources, and making sub-optimal decisions. But that is just crazy conservative me.

>>52074515
Okay now I see. You're talking shit, and you don't understand what the fuck you're talking about.

The main cheese in marxist philosophy right now and always has been is rich vs. poor.

Racism is just one tool in the bucket of the rich to ensure that white poor and black poor will not cooperate.

>>52069141
but there are black jews, there are in fact a large number of black jews in etheopia and west africa.

this picture confuses me.

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>>52074515
>mfw collectivism

>>52074548
It's often referred to as "Cultural Marxism". It follows the idea of Marxism, but with every aspect of society rather than just wealth.

Stand Billy-Bob the Hick next to Jerome the New York Lawyer.

Billy-Bob:
>White
>Lives vicariously as he lives on a farm he can barely afford to run
>Can't afford health-care for his wife and kids, let alone himself

Jerome:
>Black
>Well paid and lives in a penthouse apartment
>Premium medical insurance for his whole family

Apparently, Billy-Bob is the evil oppressor with power over Jerome because his ancestors had the same skin colour as some dudes who enslaved Jerome's ancestors over 200 years ago.

>>52074548
>You're talking shit, and you don't understand what the fuck you're talking about.
Here is a small tip for you: never say shit like this if you aren't absolutely, 100% confident that you really know what you are talking about. It makes you look like a perfect tool.

>The main cheese in marxist philosophy right now and always has been is rich vs. poor.
This has not been true since the migration of Frankfurt School of sociology into the USA, and since people like Horkheimer, Adorno, and probably most importantly Habernas identified that while Marx himself primarily focused on matters of wealth (simply because it was the most obvious mean of manifesting power over others), it's the power itself that is the driving force behind Marxist cosmology. This line of thought was further greatly expaned by other Marxist thinkers, including people like Simone Beauvoir, who identified Marxist-like patterns of oppression in gender-related dynamics.
Marx's issue was never really about rich-and-poor actually, either. That is a crude and vulgar misunderstanding of his philosophy. His issue was with those who wield control (power) over means of production: more precisely with the fact that this control is not uniformly distributed, but rather tends to centralize in hands of relatively small group.

Yes, you can vulgarize it: having control over means of production basically means "having enough wealth to own factories", especially in context of Marx's era. It's a simplification however: understandable, but in no way accurate and definitive understanding of Marx's much broader and abstract reasoning.
With the semiotic turn, and the world slowly awakening to the realization that material domain is not in any way the sole relevant aspect of our world, Marx's focus on means of production became largely untenable, but the doctrine simply adapted by expanding the idea of "means of production" by "control over discourse" as well.

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>>52074642
>>52074676
>my cultural marxism
Suuuuuuuure. *tips tinfoil hat* M'redpill.

>>52066648
Honorary Aryans

>>52062277
>Norse has literally never been done right.
Some real Norse scholars should make one. I always cringe hard whenever they show up in a setting and it's inevitably an even bigger travesty than "NotEurope" (which is really just modern-day America with castles) is.

>>52074850
What actually are those objects?

>>52074928
I actually never used the term "cultural Marxism", which is a term that has been coined only by open opponents of the left wing movement, and never endorsed by the members of it, which makes it largely useless. Nice projection though.
Everything that I said is factually right. You can check it up yourself, actually any contemporary left-wing activist will confirm this to you. It's no secret, no conspiracy talk: it's a well known academic factography of the movement. The conflict is among those who agree or disagree with the conclusions of this school of thought, but outside of a few morons who literally never looked into it outside of the asinine "pol vs. the world" hysteria around here, nobody actually denies the history and theory behind it.
Just validity of the conclusions.

Not that it really matters to you: you are just turning to trolling because you have literally nothing else to add to this discussion, yet compulsively cannot stop posting and through that admit defeat.

>>52075020
Why it's a canine dildo and a deer's ass, anon!

>>52075026
Then why did a bunch of contemporary leftist thinkers get boo'ed off stage by a load of BLM people when they stated that the problem is rich vs. poor, not white vs. black?

Clearly you don't know as much about leftist philosophies as you think you do.

>>52073540
>Rome was THE multicultural empire
This is pop-history at it's worst. The Romans were racist as fuck until near the end of the Empire. Look up the tiered citizen's rights and how they originally didn't even want other Italians to be citizens (they fought a civil war over it) much less any of the colonies. (most of whom were not eligible for more than the latin right)
It's fake history attempting to justify modern shit-tier "multicultural" politics at best.
>The moment they stopped expanding
Tacitus talked about Roman decadence at the end of the Republic and beginning of the Empire and it wasn't until well into the "multicultural" empire that Romans became completely disaffected and the army started being filled up with outsiders.

>>52061288
In call of cthulhu, you have supplements for almost every locations and time period in the world, also you can simply take a historical sourcebook for it... Cthulhu rules, get over it

>>52073685
I tried to run an East Asian-based fantasy war epic for my group, meshing elements of the Sengoku Era, Romance of the Three Kindgoms, and Journey to the West. All but one player were incapable of wrapping their heads around it.

>>52075117
Nobody ever claimed there is a perfect unity among the many groups that embraced Marxist philosophy. I actually pointed out that the conflict theory logic inherent to Marxism can be applied to a wide number (actually, nearly infinite number) of possible identity groups (wealth, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, body-fat, sexual orientation, physical (dis)ability, age etc...) of different domains: conflicts between groups that prioritize different domain are bound to happen. They all apply the same logic to different domain though: the same philosophy, different applications, and then disagreement over priority. Communists, who are the most economically oriented Marxist, will probably find themselves at odds with more modern forms like Feminists, or Critical Race theoreticists from time to time.

None of this in any way disagrees with what I said so far though.

>>52073138
Points of Light is a perfect rendition of Russian mythology in spirit if not in form.
>the whole world is fangorn forest
>settlements are extremely few and far between
>lots and lots of weird shit out there in the woods that may fuck you up, may make you a king, or make you a king only to come back ten years later and fuck you up real hard
>no good or evil: a couple of stock villains, a couple of stock heroes, everybody else can help you or fuck you up depending on their mood at the moment

>>52074676
So explain to me again why anybody gives a shit?

I don't understand how marxist doctrine of any kind hasn't died out since all it's succeeded in doing is paving the way for some of the worst run dictatorships in human history.

>>52074632
The Slavs in Israel are pretty damn racist against the non-slavs, Anon. This isn't news.

>>52061288
I use latin american Monsters, they are great and hace pretty cool abilities.

Actually un the Volo's manual for 5e there is a couple of Monsters based on latin american mythology

>>52075246
>So explain to me again why anybody gives a shit?
Because it's incredibly morally appealing, and because it actually cloaks itself with REAL and relevant issues.
There are two (interconnected) things at play here: A) it actually does start by addressing existing and concerning social problems. Without wanting to make a major shitstorm out of this, I think I can claim that inequality between men and women, lack of social stability and safetynets for poor, problems of racial hostility, even aggression against say, gay people DO EXIST. And SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
We can disagree on the immediate relevance and severity of these issues, or on possible solutions, but they exist and are concerning for a lot of people. There is a lot of growing social tension around us, and this makes people understandable anxious and make them demand these things are addressed.

And these Marxist philosophies do that. Well, at least superficially. There is not much other in terms of broad, overarching ideological movements in the world right now, not with the diminishing importance of religion (which Marx aimed directly to replace, and succeeded to do so in many ways) that would directly promise to solve these kinds of problems.

And this leads to the second issue: it just makes you feel like you are a "good person" for agreeing with it.
I mean: feminism just means you agree that women should not be treated as shit, right? And who would not agree that persecuting gay people is unfair, considering that they aren't particularly dangerous, and their condition is hereditary?
If you are not a psychopath, these propositions actually do sound appealing.
And if you aren't particularly well versed in the real theory and history of left-wing theories, it's INCREDIBLY easy to get caught by the moral appeal itself.

(cont., sorry for the long rant)

>>52075246
Just like a century ago, thousands of smart people found themselves supporting communists: simply out of the compassion for the miserable, really poorly treated working class.

Finally, as Borges - inspired by Nietzsche who actually predicted ALL OF THIS - pointed out: People crave symmetry. They crave sense of order and place: sense of history, of participating on something larger than they are, some GRAND CAUSE.
It is, once again, very much like religion. Messianic one at it. And the need to follow grand, mythological narrative seems to be BIOLOGICALLY ingrained in human nature.

The more insecure and frustrated people are, the less they feel they can rely on established unproblematic moral guidelines, the less they feel like their existence is part of a meaningful process, the more willing to cling to any form of grand narrative they will become.

The main problem is that despite the TERRIBLE impact Marx and his teachings had on this world, there is still a desperate lack of academic debunking of it, or an alternative, similarly palatable doctrine. Those who did academically criticize Marxism usually don't offer equally appealing alternative: in fact they tend up just confusing the hell out of people because they ultimately say "it's just not simple". And that is not what people want to hear.

Also, a lot of the west is just REALLY poorly educated about the pragmatic impact Marxism had over the world. Americans really weren't ever touched by it. And you know the saying: You won't learn to fear the flame until you get burned yourself.

The fact that left-wing ideology had a MAJOR grip over western (american in particular) academia, and thus education and public institution since the 60's does not help. They systematically skew the narrative to their own needs.

>>52075385
>hereditary
Inherent, not hereditary. As in: it's not a result of choice, generally speaking. Therefor it cannot be treated as a lapse of judgement.

The fuck are you talking about, I see tons of Ancient Egypt based or inspired shit everywhere.

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>>52061288
>fantasy Ancient Egypt could be really cool
It would indeed

>>52075246
>I don't understand how marxist doctrine of any kind hasn't died out since all it's succeeded in doing is paving the way for some of the worst run dictatorships in human history.
Because newsflash, everything is marxist.

Marx put down a philosophy that's so important you cannot get around it.

Simply put, Marx said "If you keep abusing workers, you're gonna get a French Revolution".

So any capitalist who gives the poor some welfare to ensure that they don't follow a Trump or Lenin is a Marxist.

Any Trump or Lenin that riles up the poor is a Marxist.

The nature of Marxist philosophy is that you're one, whether you're agree with the ideas, or disagree.

Because it shows an objective fact of society. If income inequality becomes too great, society will remove that inequality through violence. History has shown this over and over and over and over and over again. It is a feature of the market.

>>52075385
>>52075482
This guy is a fucking retarded /pol/ autist who doesn't know shit. Don't believe his redpill bullshit.

>>52075644
I'm afraid we are mostly talking about Marx right now, but yeah. I found this rather curious too. I mean, there aren't many explicitly Egypt-focused settings, but there are many who drew inspiration from it or include it among it's list of inspiration. In fact it's often bemoaned that while there is plenty of Greek, Egypt or East Asia inspired settings, considerably less is being based on Central and South America, India, Central Asia or even Middle East.

Personally, I'd point out that in most of these cases, the problem is not even in the frequency of these less generic settings being explored, but rather the quality of the execution. Usually, when you find setting based on Egypt, or India or China, they feel incredibly shallow and fairly poorly executed. But then again: the depth of execution of mostly medieval Europe-based settings comes with much more intimate knowledge of history, aesthetics, political organization or folklore of those cultures: mostly because most of us live directly out of their legacy.

>>52075734
Let me be a pessimist and say that the depth of execution in most medieval Europe-based settings or stories for that part is abysmally shallow.

It seems that to most writers depth means repeating the same trick that the retarded Jews used in the Bible to pad up those 60+ Bible books.

>and then smegmafart had a son called wankertits
>and then wankertits had a son called dickcheese
>and then dickcheese had a son called cumbutt
>and then cumbutt had a son called scabcunt

You get the idea. Their idea of depth is just to construct a history composed out of a list of people or peoples, instead of events.

>>52075716
Average level of argumentation of Marx apologist, ladies and gentlemen. Ignores actual indepth analysis of the movement: attempts to re-formulate the philosophy as some kind of obvious, morally completely justified common knowledge, and screams that anybody who disagrees is a deluded bastard with an evil agenda.

This shit has been really universal to this philosophy ever since it emerged. It's basically the same argument of bolsheviks and communist revolutionaries in the 20's-to-30's.
That it resulted in some of the most inhumane criminal regimens in the history? Who cares! Marxism is true, Marxism is love, Marxism is to be human!

It really tells a lot about your ideology if you can't even actually honestly represent it in order to convince others that it's a good idea.

Fun fact: the idea that maybe you should not let a social gap to be too wide so that you don't end up with a civil unrest is not exactly Marxist: in fact it has to do nothing with Marxism. Maybe, just maybe, you should really READ his work.

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>>52075778
Good point. This is part of why I like Robert E. Howard's Hyborean Age. The names you get are mostly of nations and races waging wars and surviving cataclysms and how their migrations around the world and the planet churning events have changed the layout of the land. You know, shit that HAPPENED.

There's also the awesome action, hot bitches and STEELY THEWS

>>52073476
"When it was clear that they'd fucked the war up the glorious murrican army did the sensible thing: Carpet bomb civilian targets out of spite."

>>52075827
Maybe you should read his work. The key is in that Marx' work is called philosophy. It's not a political work. Politicians have later turned his philosophy into politics, but his work was never political. It just had political implications.

>>52075778
>Their idea of depth is just to construct a history composed out of a list of people or peoples, instead of events.
Not really. I mean: most of fantasy is kinda shitty, but as a general rule of thumb, fantasy based on more familiar cultures tend to be - at least in western context - slightly less shitty. Take stuff like the Witcher universe for example. It may not be Borgesian Tlon exactly, but there is a lot of depth in how it handless basic symbolism and themes familiar from folklore, or from Medieval history. From the intricacy of historical landscapes to the way individual monsters represent relatable western-rooted human fears, it's fairly well fit and enjoyable, even if there is no philosophical depth to it, or no particularly impressive or original vision to it.
Achieving something similar in say, Kush or China set environment would be much more difficult. We don't really know or understand the symbolic grounds for their folklore spooks, we can hardly imagine the political and social structure of those times and locations. We are usually forced to either supplement them with out own (e.g. injecting the Japanese social order with Western-derived notion of nobility and knighthood), or just sketch the society very superficially, with any greater detail to the social order, or more meaningful symbolical context of the monsters used.
That is a problem.

As somebody more familiar with Japanese society than most people, I can assure you that I can't play or watch basically any Western interpretation of our culture: be it cinema, books or board-games. It just pains how poor the understanding of basic, common-sense and daily-life sensibilities tend to be there. While there is a lot of mishandeling of real-world European historical sensibilities in fantasy (especially american-based amateur "medieval" fantasy fiction), it's never nearly as bad as when we attempt Far East settings. And Japan is STILL the most accessible culture of asia to us.

>>52074548
>Racism is just one tool in the bucket of the rich to ensure that white poor and black poor will not cooperate.
Pretty much.

>That it resulted in some of the most inhumane criminal regimens in the history? Who cares!

So like any movement ever? Religions have their holy wars. Economic systems exterminate populations. How high the body count is in the end mostly depends on the tech level.
The only thing mankind really learned over time is PR to make their fav thing/the ruling thing seem the best and totaly unbloody.
Actually doing so? Nah, the other side would exploit it.

>>52076012
>The key is in that Marx' work is called philosophy. It's not a political work.
Says the person who reduces his philosophy to "you should pay your workers fairly and not let weath inequality get out of hands?" Seriously?

Yeah, I have been describing how it's a philosophy this whole thread, retard. The politicians attempted to put his philosophy into practice. EXACTLY AS HE INSTRUCTED THEM.
“the philosophers have only interpreted the world, the point is to change it” (Thesis On Feurbach, section 11)
And it immediately resulted in utter failure of most basic social structures.
Marx interprets most fundamental, social systems and dynamics as result of inherent, antagonising conflicts of identity groups.
In our daily lives we take decisions that have unintended consequences, which then combine to create large-scale social forces which may have an utterly unpredicted, and highly damaging, effect. (Economical and Philosophica Manuscript), rephrased by Stanford Encyclopedia for brevity)
This has mutiple fundamental and fundamentally dangerous implications that go WAY over a mere "if the weath gap grows too large, you'll have a problem on your hands.

He further actually identifies those who attempt to resolve weath inequality, but through other means that complete social revolution, as equally - if not more - dangerous that those who propagate capitalism, clearly showing that his advocation of revolutionary movements is NOT ROOTED in pragmatic desire to decrease the inequality gap.
(Communist Manifesto, the whole of section 3)

So yeah: once again. Read his shit. Carefully this time.

>>52061785
Is she wearing her shirt underneath her bra?

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>>52061288
Instead of focusing negatively on "Why so much Europe?" you should focus positively on "How to do other cultures?"

Have a Lebanese urban fantasy superhero webcomic for some non-european inspiration.
http://www.malaakonline.com/index.html

>itt OP has never actually looked through an RPG section at an LGS and lefty/pol/ gets BTFO by anon that isn't completely retarded

I think the ultimate conclusion to all this is that people should be responsible for their own cultures' portrayal. The idea that you have to shame White people into doing a better job at representing non-White culture is absolutely insane. How about YOU do it?

>>52076398
Blaming non-whites. But that's heresy

>>52076211
I don't think you're replying to who you think you're replying to, /pol/ poster. Also, nice wikiquote copypastes. I can tell you took that red suppository right up your sissy butt.

>>52063360
That looks like a very disgruntled pictures for what is actually good news.

>>52076268
That's called a bandeau and yes

>>52075716
>for ten thousand years mankind stumbled in the dark until Marx formulated the idea that if you treat the peasants like shit you get hit
Marxists everyone, as much a pack of out of touch cultists as their libertarian brothers.

>>52076457
That is some disturbingly weak bait. Once again: out of arguments, have to start baiting the fuck out of this!

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>>52061785
>>52076268
>>52076501
>look up bandeau
>find picture of 1800 year old mosaic of sicilian women doing fitness wearing a bikini

Things never really change, do they?

>>52076538
And it took ten thousand years of stumbling in the dark until Darwin formulated that we're monkeys.

And it took ten thousand years of stumbling in the dark until Einstein formulated that time and space are one.

And it took ten thousand years of stumbling in the dark until Camus formulated that looking for the meaning of life is fucking retarded.

What's your problem, /pol/ poster?

>>52076640
his point is that you have little idea of what marxist philosophy is if all that you know is what you have represented here.

there were peasant/slave rebellions before marx and if you think that pointing out that they were the result of wealth disparity was the revolutionary part of his work (no pun intended) you are either stupid or being intellectually dishonest.

>>52076640
Said it before, say it again: you have to work on that bait.

>>52076731
He is baiting. And very lazily. Re-read the post again. The particular last point should have REALLY tipped you off.

>>52076731
>there were peasant/slave rebellions before marx
No there weren't

In all those cases it were either nobles, or the bourgeoisie directing the lower classes to fight against the enemies of said nobles/bourgeoisie - who always ended up being other nobles or bourgeoisie.

>>52076777
See - told you. No one can take this shit seriously. This is so dumb that not even an average Marxist would actually say something so immensely inane...

>ctrl+f 'Guild Wars Nightfall'
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>>52074286
I'm surprised you haven't heard about that kind of thing before. It's fairly well-known. Apparently the official term for it is "lip plate".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lip_plate

>>52061288
because most people aren't familiar with them
the stuff that gets sold, copied, or used a lot is stuff people like, and people tend to like what they know

>>52061288
I thought about running a few exotic fantasy settings, Egyptian, Aztec, Sumerian, etc. I just don't know them well enough and don't like to study for a decent fantasy game without it dissolving to the standard.

>>52061535
Confirmed for knowing shit all about ancient Egypt

>>52076602
If you know it's bait, why respond?
The only reason I can think of for calling something bait is trying to insult a sincere comment, actual bait you don't respond to.

>playing in a setting inspired by ancient cultures
>not literally just playing in the mythology of that ancient culture with a few extra pieces of shit thrown in
>not playing what is basically historical fanfiction

>>52064126
>Fantasy Arabia
This intrigues me greatly. Myth-inspired Arabia is a setting I've thought about outlining for a game. Mind you, the only reason I want such a setting is so that I can work pic-related into the picture. Jezail rifles with magic-inscribed runes of power, turns me on in all the right ways.

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>>52078261
>pic related
Haha I'm an idiot, shame me

>>52073461
Scifi

>>52073565
It's unlikely he's a mongoloid. You're both probably Caucasoids. This is tg.

>>52074676
And now we have the cult of identity politics.