Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First and only first

>>52041961
why are many datacards for factions oop? how does that make any sense at all?

the game is designed to be used with those cards yet i cant buy them. the fuck

>>52041961
2n for Blood Angels

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>>52041967

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Fairly new player here.

How does this look? I've noticed the struggle of small numbers with my GKs, so it seems like the easiest way to add an anvil to the GK hammer is a guardblob.

Any veteran Slaanesh players that can tell me if it's a good idea for me to ally in a keeper and some daemonettes+seekers to supplement my CSM rapture battalion full of noise marines ?

>>52041990
Why grenade launchers?

>>52041999

S6 assault weapon, might as well just to give them a little poke.

>>52041978
they're dropping the cards altogether

>>52042026
Sure but a flamer is just better 99% of the time.

>>52041991
Slaasnesh daemons are lightning fast bust squishy. Make them cheap and run them up the table to absorb fire.
KoS is the the only greater daemon without jink/improved toughness but it's also the cheapest, give it two greater gifts and make it level 3.

>>52041990
Priests dont take up any force org so cannot be your mandatory HQ, you need a company command or tank commander.

>>52042029
source?

i love the idea of cards.

>>52042040
should i maybe switch the KoS out for a demon prince ? less killy, but has power armour and wings

>>52041991
A KoS with some greater rewards and a soulstealer for longevity or a slothful claw for S10 can be a great tool especially with it's telepathy access.

>>52042040
Depends on the version of Priest. There is even a priest that is not a character but has the same stats and rules.

The Guard one, does not count thou

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Post yfw Roboute's sword can't be used against an Avatar thanks to Soul Blaze and Molten Body

Admittedly he'd still probably win that fight thanks to Smash

>>52042050
the last I heard of it was here
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/10/40k-data-cards-going-going-almost-gone.html

>>52042067

Why is that funny? It'd be stupid if the god-avatar that's made of molten lava that is immune to even the hottest melta weaponry and the fiery fusion of a star got burnt just because the sword once belonged to the Emperor.

It's not some special magic fire-but-not sword, it's just a very nice sword that happens to be on fire.

>>52042070
>bloodletter charges a KoS
>KoS kills it at i10

>>52042079
It's funny because the mega-strong-destroyer-sword is completely useless against an Avatar just because GW felt like tacking on a rule that's statistically as powerful as a single bolt pistol shot.

>>52042110
Yes let me feel your anger the experience is delightful.

>>52042110
there there

>>52042067
Same with Magnus and Yncarne.

But I asked myself: Is he even allowed to use "no" melee weapon? Doesn't the rulebook say you can only use S:S AP:- Melee if you don't have a melee weapon?

>>52042067
I wonder, could he still use the fist? or are they used as a pair only

>>52042139
the rule leak said
"something, something together."

I think it is a combined melee profile.

What's a good source of plague zombies?

Mantic?

Or am i better off just converting my plaguebearers? (though they're on 32 mm bases.)

What are the themes of Genestealer Cults supposed to be making fun of?
Communist revolutions?
Labor unions?

>>52042174
MUST. START. GC.

>>52042051
The thing with daemons princes and greater daemons.
Greater daemons are better than princes and generally cost less but completely specialized towards one area.
Daemons princes are slightly weaker and more costly but you can customize them however you like.

KoS is cheaper, has +1 toughness and attack as well as higher initiative.
But
A prince can buy armour and wings and also is able to roll on psychic tables other than telepathy and Slaanesh.

Unless you some a specific job in mind I'd stay with the KoS

>>52042167
And a dash of apocalyptic/ascendance cult.

>>52042110
>>52042143
And so we see the defense mechanism of the khornetard, spouting meme talk and showing a superiority complex.
You can almost taste the tears.

Swarm Overqueen when?

Tyranids with wacky personalities when?

Has anyone mathhammered a fight between Smashfucker and R.Girlyman yet?

>>52042202
When Orks become T1 and marines are reduced to one faction.

>>52042205
SMASHFUCKER PRIME Vs. Rawbutt Girlyman
Rawbutt uses his Hand of Dominion, because denying Smashfucker his 2+ Feel No Pain is more useful than re-rolling to wound. In this case, Rowboat hits 3.333 times, and wounds 2.778. Smashfucker's Invuln brings that down to 0.0771, and IWND down to 0.
Smashfucker strikes back, hitting 2.333 times, and wounding 1.944 times. Rowboat's invuln brings that down to 0.972, and IWND down to 0.639.
Smashfucker wins again.

>>52042167
Revolutions
Cults
Establish religions
Idiots thinking that killing the rich solve the problems, there's always someone to dick you over by another name (once the Imperium is destroy on the planet the Nids come in and dicks them over)
Anti-anything

Basically any group deluded enough to think violent revolution changes anything

>>52042202
>Nids come to Baal
>The planet is overrun
>The Hive Minds absorbs Sanguinius' body and soul
>Sanguinius becomes the Avatar of the Hive Mind

>>52042193
That's pretty damn solid advice anon. Thanks.

Guess i'll do a KoS in the loadout some other anon recommended, and a DP in my CSM decurion with a blissgiver and power armour.

>>52042220
And they say 40K isn't funny anymore....

>>52041967
Fuck off with the name, you have no reason to have it on so take it off fag.

>>52042237
It is still funny.

Main example Tau, their models and lore being abuse to sell "big center pieces"

>>52042219
The fucking hell is that math?
Guilliman would use the emperors sword to get the D, ensuring him victory in 6 rounds, or 3 game turns.
Smashfucker does 3 attacks, brought down to 1.5 hits, down to 1.25 wounds, 3++ brings that down to .416..., and fnp brings it down to .277... Unsaved wounds.

That means SMASHFUCKER PRIME needs 21.6 rounds to remove all of guilliman's wounds, long after the 6 rounds needed for guilliman to kill him.
Guilliman wins by a large margin.
The only one who matches guilliman is scoria, which is a functional tie that's basically determined by if guilliman gets back up, and magnus.

LotD Ferrus when?

>>52042323
1d4chan math.

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>>52042237
the cult book is a goldmine

I can almost forgive them for omitting Ichar IV completely.

>>52042323
Those this means New Celestine can kite Girlyman to death?

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>>52042252
I think not.

Sooo, question. Why is 1d4chan hated here? I thought it was maintained by people from /tg/

>>52042356
The awkward moment when that is more Tau fluff friendly than the retarded fluff for the Xbox Huge suits they put up for sales sake

>>52042388
>/tg/ is one person

>>52042388
>Surprising at 4chan inherent lack of cohesion

Mate, 4chan hates everything 4chan does. /tg/ is no exception.

I actually like 1d4chan

>>52042323
What about Girlyman vs Necrons? I plan on getting Girlyman just because I like his model and I'm thinking about playing them vs a friend's Necron horde.

>>52042388
Because all the cancerous newfags use 1d4chan to fit in.

Same with Skubfantasy vs Age of Skub.

>>52042361
not really. It'd be a losing game, since guilliman's gun can pop the bodyguards even if she manages to HnR and spawn a new one.

Do not Pursue Lu Bu, man.

>>52042356
Is.....is this a jab at social justice?

>>52042431
the cult of the four armed emperor is a religion of peace

>>52042405
>>52042419
Mmkay, but besides that, is it useful? I haven't come across anything truly abhorrent or bullshit advice that is nigh unusable

>>52042388
1d4chan by itself is fine.
It's got some old jokes that aren't that funny anymore, but its /tg/ history.
The issue comes in when newfags and redditors come here saying shit like "fuck matt ward, he's the problem with everything! Ultramarines suck, and GW is the worst thing ever!!!1!"
I one time had a legitimate redditor who is afraid to go to 4chan tell someone in my DW party to go to 1d4chan to learn about 40k lore, rather than lexicanum or the actual codexes. Which is the real issue, many 1d4channers aren't from 4chan, but they don't feel the need to lurk moar because they read 1d4chan.

>>52042431
There is a saying "the price of tolerance is treason/death" fuck if I remember from where that came from

>>52042388
It also means it's a stewing pot with the condensed essence of /tg/ lowest common denominator.

Everything good and bad turned to 11 and then multiplies by the general ratio of shitposter/opinionated autist/actually knowledgeable people willing to spend time doing work.

>>52042436
Fucking bravo, GW.

>>52042416
Guilliman will obliterate any necron in combat, they don't get resurrection protocols against the D, and even the decurion is just regular 5+ because of the swords S:10.

>>52042439
As useful as reading a 40k general thread.

>>52042452
To be fair Necrons beside being annoying to kill they are rather shits.

>>52042440
>>52042446
>>52042458
I see, thank you. So basically, if I combine info from here and there and weed out the bullshit, I'll be fine

>>52042440
That's actually scary as fuck. When people learn about W40k from fucking summarized memes. 1d4chan needs to put a huge red-disclaimer that it's a fucking satire site, not a fucking guide for fantasy franchises.

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throne of fortress of hera

>>52042472
For fuck sake, another marine faction?

Wonder why people buy marines? Well because it is the only thing that regularly updates and have things to buy.

>>52042470
>When people learn about W40k from fucking summarized memes

Before 1d4 the same people learned from the opinionated neckbeards down the LGS.

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How the fuck does GW expect people to get into 40k with Gathering Storm if the books and models together are hundreds of dollars together including an army to get started plus the armies to recreate the scenarios from the books?

Or is this whole event just to squeeze money from neckbeards, as usual.

>>52042472
>>52042488
from bols video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skPWuWirh3Y&t=218s

>>52042431
I think you'd be hard pressed to find an ideology that GW hasn't thrown shade at in one way or another

>>52042439
Often outdated, and often bad, but if you're decent you can weed out the truly bad nobnaught jokes and figure out something that's useful-ish.

>>52042472
>Florida_mugshot.png

>>52042492
It's to squeeze money from people who already own the factions.

It's why the imperium gets two sets of characters while the relatively unpopular chaos gets nothing.

>>52042470
It's a 4chan derivative.

Anyone taking it seriously deserves the ridicule.

>>52042492
They are doing the same things that killed fantasy.
Milking 40k so hard that eventually consumers will simply stop buying.

Look at fantasy till 6th and then look what they did after.

Same pattern of retardation.

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>>52042143
I revel in your despair

>>52042534
Cats for the cat god

>>52042520
no new chaos models in gathering storm trilogy new chaos stuff come later ;)

>>52042543
Chaos is getting squatted.

>>52042492
>How the fuck does GW expect people to get into 40k with Gathering Storm if the books and models together are hundreds of dollars together including an army to get started plus the armies to recreate the scenarios from the books?
They don't, because GS bundles aren't for new players, that's stuff like SC boxings or the transport+squad boxes.
GS stuff is like FW models like titans, it's designed for people who already have armies to buy to add onto their collection.

>>52042492
WHFB End Times saw a relatively large spike in sales, so they're doing the same thing (lots of campaign books with variant lists for existing ranges, combined mega-factions, and big show-piece models) for 40k. The only question is how Sigmar'd we're going to get.

>>52042552
no... big releases for chaos coming later. wait & see ;)

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>>52042388
Because unfunny memes, outdated information, and fan theory shit

That bit about the Dark Eldar being the Kennedys still cracks me up to this day

Oh boy more space marine stuff, how interesting. Whens 8th edition?

>>52042563
ynnead need slaanesh to fight

>>52041961
Anyone got photos of the new Ultramarines stuff in the book? I'm kinda torn, on the one hand I'm happy as fuck my boys in blue finally get some love, on the other hand I think stuff like relics should be generic and not chapter specific and expansion books are cancer.

>>52042571
>https://mega.nz/#!TsABhZjY!TkIrva0XbDAVvj6sfeume7IyuYL0WRCycC1SyElr0_U
Omnissiah bless you, child

>>52042585
;)

>>52042557
>The only question is how Sigmar'd we're going to get.
Based upon what we know now, only a little bit. RotP ends with the imperium fractured in some way, and bobby G calling for a new GC to fix the issue.
Which is actually much better than I expected, change without squatting.
It'll be interesting to see what GW decides to do with the fractured imperium as it's reclaimed over the next 2 years. I would assume that it won't be as bad as the old night since the inquistion, ecclesiarchy, IG and most importantly the Space Marines are still around to prevent everything from going to hell in a hand basket, but we'll definitely see quite a few of the members of those groups using the opportunity to try and forge their own empire. Should be pretty fun actually, especially when some of the other loyalists come back to help out with the conquest.

And hey, with guilliman back the imperium can actually make new stuff. I for one welcome more new models because of our blue overlord.

>>52042585
The Aeldari are going to end xer, then start rebuilding their empire.

>>52042585
God I want this. It'll probably make them pick up AOS's slaaneshi and elvish shit too

>>52042611
I play daemons

>>52042588
The books hasn't been leaked except for a few bits. Also, Some expansion books were great; for example the first Sanctus Reach book was the tits.

>>52042611
How is this forced meme funny?
I genuinely don't get what's be conveyed.

So it it Cawl and Yvraine who resurrect Jellyman?

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>>52042626
Yet we live on.

>>52042604

I wouldn't honestly hate seeing imperial factions like guard or mechanicus getting a couple of options for allies. Armies of the Imperium is very large and inclusive right now. I rather like the thing they did with Dark Angels, making them Battle Brothers with both Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines (But not demons). Making the ally matrix a bit more complex/with more options.

>>52042489
>fallen
>new

It's not even summer yet!

>>52042632

Maybe wait a minute before shitposting, retard

>>52042630
Yarp.

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>>52042648

>>52042646
And Ynnari are still going to be stuck up cunts about it, aren't they?

>>52042604
I meant more in terms of rules.

40K needs a major rules shake-up (like 2e->3e level shake-up), but I'm worried they're just going to axe all the complexity and leave us with Sigmar in Space.

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>>52042658
Nope, that's some other fag butting in

>>52042658
I play Skitarii

>>52042656
>40K needs a major rules shake-up (like 2e->3e level shake-up), but I'm worried they're just going to axe all the complexity and leave us with Sigmar in Space.
I honestly doubt we'll see that big a shake up.
They've just released a whole bunch of new stuff with GS so I doubt they'll render that all useless.

And besides, the core rules aren't really the issue. They could add some stuff for campaigns, creating your own characters and such to emphasize the "narrative game" they love to talk about, but most of the issues are with the codexes, not the BRB.

I honestly wouldn't be suprised if we got that narratove stuff though, a second great crusade is probably the best time to add one a "how to make your own dudes and campaigns to represent the imperium's conquest of the galaxy" section to the rules

>>52042488
I'm curious how butt ass blasted fuking mad Guilliman would be.

>>52042641
As a faction? Yes that is new.
Remember at that start of third when marines had only one army?
I want that back or at least 2 books at most.

We have what? Ultramarines/vanilla, red and green angels, space wolfs, gay nights, gay watch and now gay club.
7 fucking loyalist marines
Let's not even start with spiky marines.

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>>52042686

>>52042708
>boo hoo, why does GW makes lots of versions of the thing that sells best?
>they should just ignore marines, and focus on my army which doesn't sell anywhere close to as many models!

I FUCKING HATE MATT WARD AND I FUCKING HATE AGE OF SIGMAR

FUCK ULTRAMARINES

>>52042744
How much is popularity and how much is just GW being retards is hard to tell.

If you have ads, images and many variations of a tuna sandwich, people will most likely buy tuna. Even if you have other things it will be hard to outsell the tuna when it is the most visible and easy to buy of the menu.

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>>52042744

>>52042703
>And besides, the core rules aren't really the issue.
Eh, the core rules have some pretty major issues. Psychic phase is a stupid idea when half the armies lack psykers and most armies treat psykers as a minor thing, the I-GO-U-GO turn system is a bore for larger games (oh, you're moving your Ork horde? I'll be back in 30 to roll some saves), the vehicle/monstrous creature imbalance issue, and assault is just very poorly implemented (too difficult to get stuck in, simultaneously too lethal for non-shooting units but not lethal enough against Fearless/ATSKNF).

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>>52042760
Don't like ward, but be patient with sigmar, we're just about to get 2e of sorts

>>52042765
but chicken teriyaki is superior to tuna

>>52042656

Have you read any of the GW Community posts or listened to podcasts where they talk to GW at the recent events? They have stated repeatedly that the newest rules will not go the way of Sigmar. It's been talked about a million times that they are just going to streamline some things.

I'm picturing something like Deny The Witch rolls are on a 6 but if you have a psyker on the table its 5+. Compare that to the 3-4 modifiers we have now.

>>52042788
But I like being able to deny on a 3+ with my Adamantium will Heralds/Flesh Hounds/Daemon Princes with collars of Khorne.

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FUCK GUILLIMAN AND FUCK IMPERIUM PEOPLE

CHAOS LIVES MATTER

>>52042219
Isn't the Emperor's Sword S10 AP1. So ignoring FNP

6s To Hit become Strength D

With 6 (?) Attacks from Mecha-guiliman one should be a 6. And another 6 = dead Smashfucker.

Feel this isn't a fight SF is going to win

Why dont people like age of sigmar?
I have never followed fantasy

>>52042164
mantic. theyre fine for what they do and decently cheap and comes with bases.

>>52042808
I personally don't mind it now that the rules got tuned up last summer and in the fall, but I know lots of neckbeards hate how it's just different from what they're used to

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>>52042781
But Age of Sigmar is le shit.

Just like Matt Ward and Ultrasmurfs.

>>52042808
>Total Warhammer gets released
>endless skubtasy vs age of skubmar discussion
>"where da fuck is wurrzag, helman ghorst and karl SUMMON franz in aos???"

>>52042808
Because the uninspired drivel and the rules are an utter and complete abortion of a system.

>>52042808
Fantasy got killed off and several armies squatted. The rules on release were way too simple; it took them a year to add a point system and really make it a playable game. It added Stormcast Eternals, which are basically just space marines, who've been eating up a ton of release slots, which means that a lot of factions still don't have much/any post-Sigmar releases. The new style is different than the previous WHFB style.

>>52042808
I honestly hate/don't care for the lore, but the rules are not actually that bad. They're simple and the models are flashy enough that it can lure in normies and 10 year olds learning to thin their paints.

But people mostly hate it for the lore, or lack thereof, as well as it not having points until several months after, in which case ruined it's reputation.

>>52042808
It is a mix of unwanted changes, dick moves to store owners, axing a loved setting by the consumers, killing a game and replacing it for something completely different, some how manage to piss of 40k players by replacing the marine statue with a sigmarine one.

The game it self now is not bad, the process to its existing was turbo bad

>>52042826
>posting Reddit screenshots

Your opinion is now invalid

>>52042831
>>52042834
Yeah, as someone who mainly plays sigmar, the only stuff I dislike is the oversized models and shit lore

>>52042808
It went from the more complex formation based warhammer game to a heroclix level of complexity,

>>52042850
The entire thing was the equivalent of replacing the Coca Cola formula for replacement sake.

>>52042856
So why is sigmar outselling fantasy by a fairly large margin?

>>52042834
>The game it self now is not bad, the process to its existing was turbo bad
This. The reaction to Sigmar would've been significantly better if General's Handbook had been part of the game at release. Throwing out a four-page pamphlet with NO points system, coupled with that meme-tier rules packet for old models was absolutely retarded.

>>52042856
>complex formation based warhammer
>"dude just spam magic lmao" *pulls out teclis*

>>52042866
Yup. While the gameplay itself is fun (once you get past the ogor cheese), I still like 40k setting more (though not as much now that cadia is toast)

>>52042856
>...more elf formation based elfhammer game

Ftfy.

>>52042439
I honestly use it for the memes and the fluff.

I would not recommend reading it for actual gameplay advice.

>>52042765
Chicken or the egg, friend.

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>>52042872

Because you don't need 500 models to have a game

>but GW is trying to push that shit with AoS too with those large battalions and every photo in an AoS book is 200 models marching against each other

>>52042890
Well they are doing the same shit before Fantasy went down hill

Never updating some armies with old as fuck models.
Rules that encourage bigger armies. Free stuff, big models cheap as balls, things like that.
Beside start collecting and some deals you are still paying a lot for few models. GSC Acolytes is one of the worst example of this.
End of times that feel rushed as fuck.
Entire phases that can be way to abusive. Either Psyker or shooting can be a way to harsh to reviving end.


The same crap that killed fantasy GW didn't learn.

needs more nurgleposting

>>52042934
>Because you don't need 500 10 point models to have a game
Now you just need 10 500 point models, if you are using points that is.

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>this thread

>>52042944
I'm all out. Already posted my nurgles

>>52042829
>>52042820
>>52042828
>>52042831
>>52042834
>>52042856
So they basically consolized fantasy and thats age of sigmar?
What armies got removed?

>>52042890

"ogor cheese"? Do you mean BCR or actually you haven't played in quite a while?

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>>52042953

You are quite right of course. But who doesn't want an army of centerpiece models ;^)

>>52042983
Tomb kings and bretonia. Elves got the blanket name aelves, and haven't been updated since launch

>>52042983
Brettonia and Tomb Kings.

>>52042986
Yeah, beastclaw.

>>52042744
This is the same GW that was confused when the first new sisters model they've made in a decade sold out instantly. It's almost like people will buy what GW supports.

>>52042992
>haven't been updated since launch
So the Sylvaneth model wave didn't happen.

>>52042987
Holy shit that's cringey

>>52042765

Not everything will enjoy mainstream success. Dark Eldar wouldn't do SM numbers even if they were the only thing GW sold.

>>52042992

This summer they'll be updated. March come duardin with airships and paratrooper/jetpack dorfs.

>>52043012
They're not elves anymore

>>52043023
Pretty sure steamhead duradin rumor was debunked earlier

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>>52043012

>sylvaneth are elves

Let this meme end

>>52043009
It is a miracle that SoB still sell when their last update was in 2004 with the Seraphim superior back in third.

One time only (not anymore due to wtf it is selling quick make more!) special character and new Celestine the whore of the Imperium. Was enough to up the sales of the old metal models.

Some how GW thinks this means more marines need to be done.

>>52043012
>Sylvaneth
>elves

>>52043046
>meme
retcons are the meme.

>>52043012

I wouldn't count sylvaneth as aelfs. They are too different.

>>52042829

This is actually an argument more born out of ignorance than fact. Stormcasts bear more resemblance to chaos warriors than space marines, specially going by the latests books, where their deeds are strengthening Sigmar's power in the same fashion that blood spilled strengthens khorne.

Plus I have yet to see a space marine vomit, feel loss or despair proper.

>>52042987
>FEC is viable
thanks, anon

now I know which army to collect

>>52043040
Pretty sure you're wrong, as both atia and hastings (and two more rumormongers) have affirmed so.

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>>52043012

>>52043019
It would still help if they got half the amount of love marines get.

I'd be happy if blisters for special weapons model are gone for ever. If you buy a kit there should be enough stuff in there to the shit your codex allows.

>>52043069
They're shit now, DONT DO IT

>>52042488
and people thought matt ward was bad...
"Rorysueman girlyman merely looked at the dastardly chaos titans and they ded"

>>52043080
Oh, must have been the Cthulhu aelves then

>>52043065
It would be a beautiful world where the 40k and AoS autistic fandoms destroyed each other.

>>52043091
Oh, fucking come on man

I just want to collect a cool death army

>>52043119
They don't exist in AOS.

So basically with this grand crusade end times shit we are getting set up to be sigmared right?

>>52042488
>Roboute Gulliman needed to know everything that had occurred during his long absence
this will be fun

>>52043118
Fandom dead would be great.

Picture a world where corporation actually make quality products instead of pandering to fanatics

>>52043118
Nah, 40k and AoS should team up and stomp fantasy grognards hard

You guys are filled with /v/ fanboys anyway

>>52043130
Not until the Emperor gets interred inside of the new Golden Throne Dreadnought so he can fuck some niggers up.

>>52043081
Actually an Autist would be hopping in his armchair screaming "humanoid forest spirits, dryads and treemen aren't elves, it's incorrect!"

>>52043119
They are not top tier but have good track-records.

>>52043104

Not really, furthermore we may be getting "light" aelves soon too, judging by this image we've got from adepticon:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2017-03-03-1.jpg

the signs of the realms/winds of magic are engraved on the sides of the mask.

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>mfw local lgs is letting fag use khorne blood bound as csm.
>try to use csm as kbb
>mfw they wouldn't let me

So, what's Cypher's deal in all this mess? Can someone tl,dr? Also, how are his rules/formations?

>>52043130
it's great crusade/macharian crusade/whatever crusade mk2

>>52043130
Yup, 40k sells like shit and GW wants to dump their entire current playerbase.

>>52043160
You're trying to use fugly models as proxy. At least his KBB look far better than your models, even if his paintjob may be shit and yours great.

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>>52043175
>ironic shitposting

>>52043140
You're a moron. Fanbases are the life-blood of wargames. Without established players to keep communities alive, introduce new players, etc, the games die.

Kirby had a "fuck the existing playerbase" attitude, and he was killing the company. Go proselytize about corporations somewhere else.

>>52043163
>So, what's Cypher's deal in all this mess?
He is mysterious.

>>52043065
Read the HH books marines do all sorts of weird things.

>>52043184
I'm talking about the sickening cancer fans.

>>52043181
Noone pays heed to sincere posts saying the exact same.

>>52043154
>everyone expects awesome aelf release
>hypeisreal.png
>tfw it's a new SCE arch wizard or some shit

>>52043194
Well, that's new.

>>52043065
Talking about the models, dingdong. Hence the comment about their release schedule.

>>52043220
Naw it's gonna be fantasy Necrons/Nu-khemri
A race of sentient constructs having outlived their creators.

>>52043197
>>52043197

Not even just the HH series. Rarely are SMs portrayed as inhuman autists as the fluff would have you believe in any BL novel about them.

>>52043019
>>52043088
To be fair, dark eldar can't really complain. Most of our kits are plastic and we have a nice suppliment even if our codex is weak and poorly written. We just need plastic incubi, grotesques and mandrakes, court units and specsil characters can wait.

Orks on the other hand don't even have a plastic Warboss kit for their most basic options. I'm pretty sure they don't even have a plastic generic Warboss outside of Grukk.
Tank bustas and kommandos are still resin/metal, these are all basic units that most Ork players will want.

Eldar aspects haven't even been updates since... Who knows when?

But it's pretty cool how GW does things about upcoming AoS armies.

>there was a campaign about Order vs Chaos on the realm of Metal
>Order won, obviously
>Metal Realm is the home of the Dwarves
>we now get Steamhead Duardin

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>>52043242
I need this, especially since I was gonna start 40k with necrons

>>52043197
No, you miss-understand. I don't mean, do "weird" things or seem to be normal from the perception of their brainwashed lot. Even to the eyes of the regular humans, stormcasts are normal in their behavior. Not "oh greater feelings than the average human". No, simple and normal despair: the man who lost his wife and tried to save her through magic and failed, thus being tormented constantly by the memory (edgy), the man who barely remembers his past and the disclosure hurts him badly in a relatable way. The woman who just doesn't take bossy shit from the incompetent and is objective driven but well intentioned in the end. The man who lost his friends, barely remembers them now, and is afraid (honest to god afraid) of losing what little remembers. Space marines have neved stopped to worry if they'll lose their humanity every time their sus-an membranes kick in. Death is an extremely scary prospect to stormcasts on the other hand. Fear of losing their humanity and recollections of their beloved ones. When was the last time a space marine worried about his past life?

>>52043242
Based
Could be like golems and stuff

>>52043257

Then there's the campaign we had this summer. Of the three cities, the one who had the lesser margin of order victory had chaos cults infiltrated in its inner circles and is kind of dire circumstances now.

>>52043257
Order didn't win chamon

>>52043310
Yeah, that place is a tzeentchian fuckfest

>>52043253
Let's not even start with SoB or IG. Want useful weapons? Ha! Buy a metal model then!

How would I go about selling an entire army?
I got about 1.5k points worth of daemons I never use and I want to get rid of them
I got
>daemon prince
>kos
>Herald of slaanesh
>40 daemonettes
>20 flesh hounds made from fantasy warhounds
>5 fiends converted from seekers
>2 seeker chariots
>5 seekers
How muh would this be worth? They're all painted to tts and above

>>52043369
My local has a display case you can rent to sell your shit in. Other than that ebay

>>52043257
>GW does this with 40k
>support imperial factions to get the sister codex
>or support xeno factions to get the ork codex

Which side will you join?

>>52043340

I'm pretty sure most IG plasma/melta gun armies are recasts.
SoB players are used to the horribly high price and metal minis.

>>52043398
>SoB players
Never heard of em

>>52043388
Orks because thier codex sucks
If we get plastic SoB kits as in "Battle Sisters squads, Repentias, Seraphims and not a special character) is side with SoB

>>52043412
Maybe if you actually play the game you would see them :^)

>>52042488

>Shoot all of your guns into the air
>That's the trick

>>52042488

Girlyman the new CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED?

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Can I expect to sell this at a decent combined price or will vultures just swoop by, pick off the cheese and leave a unpalatable mess behind?

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So does anyone have the new Kharn model? can he be assembled without those stupid chains coming off his arms?

>>52043500
>4 fire dragons
>4 fire dragons
What did he mean by this

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>>52043505

>>52043369
i would sell them in individual squads on ebay/in a local gaming forum.
squadwise is more work with packaging but you will get more money as people rarely buy a whole army but often look for anyother squad of X

>>52043535
*I* meant 4 in one scheme and another 4 in a different one with similar painted exarch.

Hi guys, can you help me build a viable 1000pt tau list? I just got the start collecting box, a devilfish, a box of pathfinders and i've got a couple of broadsides coming soon in the post, i kinda want to get a hammerhead too with longstrike, is it worth it?

>>52043369
Honestly. Piecemeal it on ebay.

Most people I feel won't up and buy an entire army. But might want a squad or two.

You also will get more money that way too

>>52042323

I've seen people say Magnus can beat Bobby G in melee, but how?

>>52043565
Depending on how you build the Broadsides and Longstrike, you definitely have enough anti-vehicle to satisfy any kind of 1k match, though the biggest thing I can note is that you don't have any Troops choices or an HQ, so unless you're going mono-formations you may want to invest in a Fireblade and a couple of Fire Warrior squads.

>>52043576
By starting off round 1 and 2 nuking the shit outta him and blasting him with CC permitted maledictions.

>>52042488

So I understand Calgar has the mental facilities and processing of like an emperor class battle ship x 1000

He scans the comms and in a glance instantly memorizes it, analyzes it, forms a strategy. Being a Primarch I can almost fathom him thinking in 4 dimensions or something.

So in less than a heartbeat he sees...

>Sector 4, a defiler is skulking around the ruins with a squad of Chaos marines, the defiler appears to limping somewhat, its middle left left, seizing up when it raises, in doing so the underside is exposed for a second longer than it should be, a well placed lascannon shot at that point would cause the defiler to explode, incinerating the nearby Chaos marines in balefire.
>2 kilometers away, He see 3 members of an Ultramarine scout squad, that had gone to grounds, less than 30 yards near the ruined wreck of a Dreadnought, which has a lascannon, they could detach the lascannon and take the shot,
>15 yards from the wreck is a fortification which if climbed, should provide the vantage for the necessary shot.
>in a wave of a hand, the order is issued, the mission undertaken, they detach the lascannon, set up position and take the shot, and it all happens exactly as predicted. the enemy forces are reduced by 0.1% in the space of a few microseconds. In the space of 60 seconds, that has happened Guilliman has issued scores of similar commands.


^ Is he doing this kinda shit?

>>52043369

try a local ad, if no takers ebay that shit

>>52042472

... so are they loyalists or Traitors? I mean one there seeks to destroy Imperial Champions, one revels in his corruption, another seeks to atone for his guilt, the other is known for his enduring loyalty...

AND THESE CAN ALL BE IN THE SAME SQUAD?!

>>52043576

Oh so he uses the discipline of change and tzeentch to wound him heavily before hand with the D before he actually gets into melee.
I thought people were making it out he could win in a fair melee fight.

>>52043593
That kind of thought-processing is pretty standard for higher ranking Magos Domini, so Guilliman is probably on a similar, if not higher level.

>>52043565
You'll be missing a second troop choice unless you go farsight enclaves or use two 5 man fire warrior squads that'll just be handing your opponent first blood.

>>52043565
Step 1: Open your codex
Step 2: Put on a blindfold
Step 3: Select your units and upgrades randomly
Step 4: Enjoy a viable Tau list

>>52043606

Whoops meant for

>>52043586

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Reposting because last thread died.
Both these lists are shit...

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>>52043626
...but which is shittier?

>>52043600
They are Renegades.

>>52043626
>>52043634
Well the first is very watery shit that runs down the legs and has you wiping your asshole raw, the second is less runny but has a greenish tint, reeks awfully and stings and burns on the way out.

>>52043636
>They are Renegades.

... with Battle-brother alliance status with the Imperium?

And their Special Character teamed up with the new Lord Commander of the Imperium, with the Grey Knights right next to him and fine?

>>52043662
kthx

>>52042534
>Aeldari
>not Ayyldari

They had one job ffs

>>52043565
Might wanna consider getting another start collecting box and a cadre fireblade to round it off. You'll need an HQ and two strike teams to fill your basic CAD and you might as well get the SC box because those extra suits will come in handy, other than that solid choice on pathfinders and a devilfish

>>52043369

Try a few of the Facebook 40k trade groups. You MIGHT get a bite for the whole lot if it's priced well but most likely you'll get 100 responses asking to split it.

I've sold a couple lots about this big and if you want the ease of selling it all at once you'll need to have a low price. You'll make more splitting it but it'll be a headache with people only buying one squad a time and trips to the post office.

Fucking leaker cunts, GIMME FORMATIONS

>>52043369
Where do you live and make a picture

>>52043788
i was just about to type out a post with some formation stuff, but now i i wont you ungreatful wanker

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>>52042067
fuck yes khaine

>>52043369

Piecemeal will make you more money off ebay.

Otherwise, Dakka Dakka swapshop and r/miniswap has worked for me in the past. Sold off a Grey Knight Army in like 20 minutes.

>>52043788
>>52043873
God dammit, look at what you've done now.

GUYS GUYS

always remember to thin down your paints ^___^

>>52043600
>... so are they loyalists or Traitors?

Both.

>>52043954
It's almost as if the world isn't black and white!

>>52043723
No one knows much about the Fallen.
The ones with Guilliman are probably presenting a good face.
Other Fallen are off doing whatever.

So to check and see if I'm reading this right, the Star Phantoms chapter tactics from forgeworld lets everyone in the detachment re-roll reserve rolls of 1.

Castellans of the Imperium lets you take all sorts of units from different factions and put them in one detachment.

Does this mean by throwing in one Star Phantoms scout squad, everyone can re roll their reserve rolls there?

>>52043944
thx dunc

>>52043576
They're talking about 30k magnus, who can use psykic powers to rape basically any other model.

>>52043979
Chapter Tactics rules only work on squads with Chapter Tactics.

Is there a difference between buying the Dark Vengeance starter set and buying something like the Dark Angel Gauntlet Tactical Squad?

I'm trying to get starting playing DA and I'm not sure how to start my army, looking around 1000-1500 points since that's what my LGS seems to play, aside from apocalypse. I'm holding off on the codices since I don't want to get ass blasted by 8th edition. What are some "safe" buys until then?

>>52043993
No, 30k Magnus's cheese is still ranged in variety. In a melee fight Guilliman beats both thanks to his access to the D, and anyone arguing otehrwise is a retard.

However, he'll never actually get there, because 40k Magnus is faster than him and can fly, and 30k Magnus will slap him down with statistically-D Smites and other such powers before he even comes close.

>>52044014
DV set comes with rules, rulers and blast templates, but the models have fixed poses, simplified assembly and predefined wargear.

>>52044014
The Dark Angels Armoured assault is very safe, tactical marines an rhinos are the bread of marines.
Bikers are a thematic core in Dark angels that are also currently very good
Terminators are also a thematic unit though not a very good one currently.

>>52044014
DV is nice to start with, the minis are monopose but most look pretty good to great. It's also a solid selection of troops to build upon, as it is all stuff you'll want anyway.
I'd get the DA side of the DV starter and a DA Tactical Squad to start with.

>>52044022
>However, he'll never actually get there
unless magnus gets cocky and tries to fight him in fisticuffs, which is pretty likely considering he's dumb like that

>>52044109
>anyone arguing otehrwise [sic. because I'm shit] is a retard
That would come under Magnus being a retard. Calling it now that that's what GW tried to do in the narrative and that's why Magnus loses, though.

>>52044109
Well you're talking about Magnus as a game piece rather than Magnus as a literary character.

>>52044092
>>52044078
Thanks for the help. Is the HQ a good choice in DV? I had considered Belial since 1d4chan seems to hype up terminators and the Dark Talon. I'm going to go with DV, my coworker wants the CSM side of it.

What kind of things could change in 8th edition? I mean, does the new edition mostly just affect rules or will units change?

>>52042323
girlymans sword only has the D profile for the attack that hits with a 6. then you need another 6 to auto remove a model. He still wins.

>>52044149
Could be anything but core fluff stuff will be safe

>>52043593

Not really, that's more a Mechanicus Secutor or Magos commanding a battle. I like to think that Guilliman is more intuitive and less reactionary, more strategic. Similar results, different approaches.
Magi work bottom-up, and optimize each and every guy and tank's current purpose to work with the ones next to them and even the ones across the planet.
Primarchs and skilled human generals work top-down, they don't give very precise orders to every squad because the warzone is probably way too big for that. They still have to talk and press buttons, they don't have the same telepathic link with all their soldiers that the Mech have as standard.

>>52044169
with 6 attacks, he will roll that result after 6 rounds. smashfucker still needs to tank 1 D per round

>>52042356
was not this basically the plot to aliens?

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Might get this for the gym/chilling 2bh

>>52044149
>1d4chan seems to hype up terminators
Not him, but please don't listen to 1d4chan, t's shit.

If you can split DV with someone, then go for that. As anon says, just add in a Tactical squad after that (you could even pick up the Armored Assault box) and you have a playable army.

>What kind of things could change in 8th edition?
We just don't know. But take solace in the fact that Marines are pretty much never bad, so collecting them is a safe investment.

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>>52041730
The Guard decurion is really bad. You're better off taking Kurov's Aquila if you want to re-roll 1s on your Lasguns. If you want better orders and 3 orders you can take Creed.

Now I actually want to take 2 CCS, 1 with Kurov's, the other with Creed. I made a count as creed model with the 2 hotshot pistol arms from the Scion Start Collecting box. This could be fun. I just gotta figure out what else to take.

>>52044149
The Librarian will always be useful, the Master is more ehh-tier, but he's got a gorgeous model.

>>52044215
Do you recommend any better alternatives to 1d4chan? I got a lot of my information from there so now I'm a bit uneasy about moving forward.

>>52044149
Termies are cool but not worth the points cost usually imo
Could change in 8th who knows

>>52044247
>Do you recommend any better alternatives to 1d4chan?

The actual books.

>>52042488
>Guilliman marshaled the defenders like regicide pieces

GW you do not have to make a shit game cannon.

>>52043876
I totally get behind this, beating these OP Primarch Muthafuckers in the crunch is the karmic reward the Avatar gets for being a joke in fluff.

Fuck I'd love more Khaine.

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>>52042089
Basically this

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>tfw havent finished painting minis for first army and now want to start another
>tfw other army would need to use chinese recasts so it's not as painful to the wallet

>>52044247
Read the codex and make your own calls. You can't teach experience. If you want some actual heads-ups on if units are good in the current meta then watch battle reports, there's a bunch of them out there.

1d4 is okay as long as you take everything you read there with a huge bag of salt. The tactics pages are full of autists who shill their faction like no other, but can usually be a good idea for getting a VERY VAGUE idea of how a faction's internal balance goes. If the info isn't completely outdated, that is.

>>52044277
M8 it's been canon since 30k. Emps plays it.

>>52042067
Can't Guiliman just use his Power Fist, which doesn't have Soul Blaze?
>This is assuming it doesn't have Soul Blaze, I haven't actually seen the Hand of Dominion's melee profile

>>52044277
>>Guilliman marshaled the defenders like regicide pieces
>GW you do not have to make a shit game cannon.
>he thinks about the vidya gaem
>what is chess
Please tell me you've just recently turned your brain off.

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>>52042067
>>52043876
>>52044284
>tfw realized this in the aftermath of GW's Friday stream
>tfw told no-one, not even 4chan
>tfw I know my """""friend""""" is going to test out Guilliman next weekend

I'll let you guys know how it goes.

>>52044284
>beating these OP Primarch Muthafuckers in the crunch

He doesn't actually beat Gman.

>>52044022
>In a melee fight Guilliman beats both thanks to his access to the D, and anyone arguing otehrwise is a retard.
RAW magnus with invis can't even be hit by guilliman. It's completely cheesey abuse of RAW, but it's legal nonetheless.

>>52044327
He fights with both at the same time, which results in him having only one actual melee weapon profile. Yes it's retarded, but that's GW's writing for you.

>>52044327
Nah the rule entry states they are used as one weapon with the exact same profile, including Soul Blaze.

Any gathering storm 4 rumors? Is there even going to be part 4 and what is is going to contain?

>>52044356
>>52044360
The fuck... that's stupid.
But okay, thanks for clearing that up.

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>>52044390
>mfw Jain Zar disarms BOTH weapons at the same time

>>52044384
Probably.
My guess is either:
>Chaos, which includes a new Abadon
Or they'll go on a tangent / side story to include a new xeno, which personally given their location in Ultramar I'd guess a Tau book. Possibly revealing Farsight's sword as being one of the croneblades.

>Yup. More Tau if they stretch the story. Chaos if they're finishing.

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So I had a guy sort of throw a fit at me for asking him to not use a knight against me, I play Orkz. He played Muhrines.

He didn't use his knight, and we played a full game. But the whole game he acted like a sadsack and when I won. Barely mind you, because of objectives. He told me he was so gimped without it, it was unfair.

Am I the bad guy here? I told him even my most optimized list outside of buzzgobs meme stompa wasn't competitive and Orkz have literally no answer/counter to Knights.

>>52044306
Thanks for the help anon. I'm gonna pick up dark vengeance, get a few games in and then plan from there

>>52044384

If the battle on Terra isn't featured in part III, there will be a part IV.
And hopefully a new Abaddon model w/ rules.

>>52044109
To be fair GW is obsessed with turning ol One Eye into the Grimdark version of a Mustache Twirling Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain

>>52044422
So she already could disarm all four Bonesabres at once too.

>>52042067
He *must* use a weapon he is equipped with, so unless he has a CCW stashed away somewhere, he's stuck in a fight with a guy he can't hurt. Smash won't do shit there.

Also, I recently saw the same happening with the Yncarnae getting casually beaten to death by the Avatar for the same reason. Khaine > Ynnead

>>52044467
>Khaine > Ynnead
I wish the fucking writers would realize this already

>>52044438

A dread mob could work if you swamp him.
Otherwise no, orks cannot take out knights.

Okay so here's an actual rules question guys

You know how you roll for difficult terrain? Does your roll count the "full" movement of the unit, or do they get to have the distance between them and the ruin/forest and THEN you make the roll and count it into the movement?

Like my footslog guard are 2 inches from the forest, do they get those two inches then the roll so if I make a 4+ they get 6 inches? Or is it roll before and count it as full movement?

>>52044438
did you play a 10 year old

>>52044384
Supposedly Gathering Storm is a three-parter, the next stuff will be a different campaign.
There's been the leaks that may or may not be Mortarion and the GS II mentioned Fulgrim becoming active again.

>>52044467
I'd love to say I can't believe Soul Blaze is a rule that's actually harmful to have but I really, really can. It's such shit and I hope it's removed in 8e.

>>52044495
If you read the rulebook you would know that if you want to move through difficult terrain at all then you make the test at the start of the model's movement and the result you roll is the distance it can move, regardless of whether you later decide to actually move in the terrain or not.

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>>52044483
>GW were originally going to make a plastic avatar of khaine
>instead decided to make the avatar of ynnead

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>>52044431
They could also do an Ork one with Armageddon.

IIRC there are 3 Ork leaders on the planet.

>>52044438
As an Ork player myself. No you're fine. We have NOTHING that can compete with a knight because of it's super heaviness, shield, and STR D weapon.

>>52044483
>Khaine > Ynnead
>Slaanesh > Khaine
That would mean
>Slaanesh >Ynnead

Unless we have a Rock-Paper-Scissors shit going on:
>Slaanesh > Khaine > Ynnead > Slaanesh

>>52044384
>>52044431
>>52044449
There is no part 4.
Gathering Storm is precisely that, the gathering storm.
The actual storm will be 8e.

>>52044438
Maybe play another game against him, this time with the knight, to show him how gimped you are against his knight.

>>52044449
Or...everything will remain exactly at that point in time. Abaddon is on the way, but not quite there. Guiliman is on Terra, preparing for the battle. Meanwhile, AEldari gather around the Yncarne/sit this one out/do whatever they did before, Orks be Orks, Necrons are still waking up, Tyranids are coming closer, but not quite yet, and Tau do...whatever they did, trying to get around a sentient daemon firewall, I guess.
That way nothing really changes for anyone, it can still be called 40k, they added some new factions, fluff and models, while [your dudes] can still be completely unaffected by all this.

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>>52044284
now if only the avatar had a more current model or i knew of a good model to base a conversion off of

>>52044539
Eh only an idiot thinks Ynnead will threaten Slaanesh. Ynnead will die at the end and be like curb-stomped by Fulgrim but then as Ynnead's dying it'll give Guilliman or some Primarch the last of his power and then they'll take out Slaanesh. C'mon this stuff is predictable as shit.

>>52043264
A lot of marines from certain chapters and warbands have flashbacks from their old life, and it can make them unstable.

>>52044539
Ynnead, in its current state, stands absolutely no chance against any of the Chaos Gods, even individually, it'll have to pull off some sort of weird Emperor-Ceogorach-Isha-Ynnead tagteam to properly kill Slaanesh or some other, less obvious shenanigans.

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Can the Company Command Squad in an Emperor's Wrath formation take Kurov's Aquila? Or can you only select from the Cadia supplement with that CCS?

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>>52044561
The FW Avatars are kind of old, but very sexy.
>tfw £60

>>52044521
Just curious how'd that tie into the existing characters? Not trying to bash you.

My assumptions of Chaos are obvious. They're the antagonists. They need a book.

Tau continue the Croneblade storyline, and since the Eldar Triumvirate are in McCragge they're already in the neighborhood.

>It also gives the Eldar Triumvirate something to do now that Bobby G. is awake, other than be the Primarch's sidekick.

>>52043538
I like that kharn doesn't cost more than a land raider.

>>52044584
They can, but why would you when Volkov's Cane exists?

>>52044590
£60 is really not a lot.
If GW did make a plastic it would be GD priced, so more expensive.

>>52044582
How come Slaanesh don't eat her? I mean Ceggie's got the excuse of hiding in the Webway, Khaine's got the excuse of being scattered in real space, Isha's being kept safe by Nurgle, but how come Slaanesh don't eat Ynnead considering how weak Ynnead is

>>52044496
He already said Muhrines once, no need to repeat himself.

>>52044623
Slaanesh is terrified of Ynnead.

>>52044600
That's neat. Also I didn't know that was a thing. That's also neat. I guess that means instead of taking a second CCS in your CAD you could do the 1+ HQ from the Cadia detachment and add a CCS with the cane to issue some nice orders. Pretty nifty. Thanks anon.

>>52042992
Tomb Kings and Brets while no longer having models do in fact still have rules and points

>>52044597
>Something other than sidekick
But anon that's all the Ynnari are

>>52044623
I'm not entirely sure if Ynnead is actually big enough to be easily find-able yet, or it might just be one of the many meh-tier shenanigans than are being written into the Ynnari plot.

Seriously though, Anon, this is modern GW, regardless of whether you agree or disagree with how Gathering Storm is advancing the plot it should be painfully obvious to anyone that consistency and coherency have been thrown out the window to die right now.

>>52044634
Why though since Ynnead's so pathetically weak?

>>52044598
Ahriman sobs silently in the background
*someone compares him to the new triumvirate models*
Sobbing intensifies

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>>52044590
>not posting the superior version of the model
also
>look up Khaine on forgeworld
>showing results for "Khorne"
>pottery

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>>52044561
just stick some horns on him.

>>52044654
One can dream anon.

>Don't worry, my faction is also Guiliman's sidekick. From the leaks I've seen, we got nothing of note.

>>52044675
Don't worry Ahriman, you already beat Ynnead all by yourself with ease.

>>52044623
>How come Slaanesh don't eat her?
>her

>>52044688
At this stage the setting can be divided between Guilliman's sidekicks and deadmeat.

Once we get more Loyalist Primarchs it'll stay the same except it'll be sidekicks to the Primarchs and deadmeat.

>>52044673
Captain Artemis of the Deathwatch performed an emergency abortion and we needed up with the fetus of a Death God.

>>52044711
How does that explain why Slaanesh doesn't eat Ynnead?

That just explains that Artemis is a better seer than any Eldar ever.

>>52044600
Hey, also another question. Do orders need line of sight? It doesn't specify that you need line of sight and the only restrictions don't include LoS, but I'm worried about accidentally cheating.

>>52044709
>I'm a Grey Knight player.
So my faction literally is his bitchboy. I just love how GW took the cookie cutter Librarian and gave it a Grand Master statline to make Valdus

>Unless the leaks I read were off