Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52041512
But ratfolk are great and have pretty solid racials

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>>52041512
Ratfolk were never great. Now, how do we make a setting populated entirely by monster races and not suck?

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>Get ai girl in iron gods
>She is really stupid
>Literally gets stupider by the minute
Is there some sort of sidequest to make her less ditzy or is this some sort of appeal thing?

>>52041512
MRGA

No seriously, any kind of plague carrier makes them cool-ish

>>52041533
I was considering a setting in which the humans accidentally blew themselves up but the remnants either have their souls stuffed in a giant chunk of meteoric iron or they live in Hell and have become Tieflings and the horrible magical radiation left behind by them blowing themselves up and a few million or so years later result in monster races.

>>52041512
What makes them bad?

>>52041512
Isn't the Ratfolk druid archetype actually really great?

Shapeshifting into a swarm with an animal companion that can call a swarm while you spontaneously cast more swarms seems RUDE.

>Have a STR-fag problem
>Make a DEX build
>Go through a lot of options writing off what I don't like and end up with Elven Curve Blade
Am I doing this right?

>>52041651
Dex builds are much more limited in weapon choice.
We've learned to take a rapier, elven curve blade, or elven branch spear, and concentrate on other aspects of being flashy rather than weapon choice.

>>52041651
Are you a dwarf?

>>52041655
Oh, and now glaive.

>>52041657
Half-Elf, Unchained Rogue.

By the way, how do you dexfags carry shit anyways? I kept 10 Strength and fuck, I don't know how the hell anyone dumps the stat when studded leather eats up so much of your carrying capacity.

>>52041689
Muleback cords

Especially if you allow item fusing in your game

Like I do in CotCT

>>52041689
Oh. Than you are only half-wrong. Get a donkey.

>>52041665
>requires three feats to come online
You are funny man.

>>52041700
I don't know anything about item fusing but seeing as my DEXperiment is for your game, I'd like to know more.

>>52041689
Handy haversack

>>52041700
Item fusing? Tell me more. I considered joining your CotCT. Are you using any of the Legendary path add-ons?

>>52041708
>>52041700

No feat tax?

>>52041700
How close are you tracking encumbrance?

>>52041715
>>52041719

Item fusing allows you to fuse two magical items together. It makes the cheapest item of the fused pair cost +50%.

Say, if you want a Cloak of Resistance +1 and a Muleback cord fused into one item, both are worth 1k GP. You add their prices together, and get 2000 GP price. Then you just add 50% the cost of the cheapest item to it (in this case, flat 500 GP since both are 1k GP worth) for a total of 2500 GP.

It's the same logic than the one behind a Belt of Physical Might, as an example. (4k + 4k + 50% of 4k = 10k)

>>52041719
I use whatever the players I take offer, frankly, so long as they're not Initiators or SoP because I'm arbitrary like that.

>>52041733
There is a feat tax in play, yeah.

>>52041747
Pretty closely until they get handy haversacks/muleback cords/whatever. Then it doesn't really matter anymore.

>>52041747
>>52041759

...Unless I start blasting you with spells that drain your strength, then I start looking into it again a bit more.

>>52041719
Item fusing is an ability you gain if you take mythic craft wondrous items. Basically lets you combine two wondrous items or even create transfer properties to different item slots.

Amazing but you need to be mythic to get it.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/mythic/mythic-feats/mythic-craft-wondrous-item-mythic/

>>52041651
Have you tried unarmed?

>>52041804
But I just said how I use fusion in my game here >>52041759
anon, it's a pretty common houserule I see in the games I play.

>>52041825
Not that anon. Thanks. You still got slots?

>>52041843
I'm looking for three (3) players ideally to make a 4 player group. I'll probably select them this coming weekend.

>>52041512
Step one: remove waifu shit
Step two: make them like actual rats and not cliche rats. IE clean, sociable, and empathetic. Halflings with ears and tails, essentially.

>>52041843
I'm leery of online games, specially round here, no offense. If you are interested. Legendary just released a one-on-one prequel for CotCT. I could acquire it and you could run it so I could see how our games shake out.

>>52041852
DMPC or you already have 1 player?

>>52041860
Already got 1 player.

>>52041855
This was meant for
>>52041852

>>52041854
Reminder that rats laugh when tickled.

>>52041874

That's an interesting idea, and I can understand why you'd be leery. I guess I can give it a shot. My Discord is on any thread of my LFG.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/70930/curse-of-the-lazy-throne

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>>52041886
Nigga that is kawaii as fuck

>>52041898

http://www.makeyourgamelegendary.com/products-page/adventures/orphans-of-the-hanged-man/

I'll check it out. Thanks

>>52041898
Watch out for this one guys, several Anons have already reported that this GM's bff is a troublemaker.

>>52041916
Is that the meta-gamer I read about a few threads back?

>>52041933
I don't know about metagaming but this guy has 1 million issues and a few players I know says that he's a troublemaker. So I guess metagaming would be the least of your concerns.

>>52041916
>>52041933

It's a bit disheartening to hear that over and over when I've just spent my entire weekend adding and expending to the game to hopefully give the smoothest experience I can.

If you don't wanna join because of that, though, I understand still. I guess it doesn't matter that the player in particular just came out of a several months long campaign with me, with them being the hardest working and most productive party member.

>>52041898
Sooooo. Does quick draw include quick sheath.

>>52041944
Welcome to tight knit communities Anon. If you act like a shit then word quickly gets around and you have no one to blame for it but yourself.

>>52041952
You need mixed combat to get that shit to work.

>>52041952
Get a glove of storing I guess.

>>52041944
Wasn't even saying that. I'm always of the opinion to judge for myself. Does your one solid player have a char up on your 20?

>>52041944
If I were to join, I'd probly go Vigilante using Legendary content. I can provide if necessary.

Hey, do you guys know of any gunslinger archetypes that use int instead of wis? Or any other way to finagle a firearm-using character that uses high int? I recently lost a character in our 11th level game and I was looking at a gunslinger to replace him, as they would fill a relatively similar slot in the party. But, guns are very early in the setting we're playing in. Like a crazy gnome who made himself into a construct made the first firearm in the game a few sessions ago. It makes more sense at this point that a really smart but not very careful person would be doing this kind of work on firearms than someone with good sensibilities and a stable personality. Also, crazy little gobbo or rat-man with big explody things would be awesome to play.

What do you guys think the most fun curse is for a gestalt oracle/bard with a dancing focus? Also archetypes if any spring to mind. I have a few ideas but can't quite make up my mind.

So is Reviewanon going to delve into Dragons2 apps?

Tfw wont get reviewed because Im a resubmit that already got touched up

>>52041973
They do yeah.

Long story short, might be missing details since it's 8 AM and I haven't slep at all and I'm heading for a nap after this post: a Lunar dragon bloodline bloodrager, bastard daughter of a Chelaxian noble who had an affair with a Shoanti girl. The Chelaxian easily denied the child as it ressembled neither him or the Shoanti mother, as the girl was tall with blonde hair (that turn silver when they bloodrage). This also spared her from the typical stereotypes and prejudices attributed to Shoantis, and her mother raised her like a 'normal' Korvosan to try to give her to have as normal a childhood as possible out of love. Unfortunately, it resulted in a girl that, while nice and trying to stand for good, identified as neither Chelish or Shoanti, and lacking a group that she felt she could belong to.

So, to try to give sense and meaning to her life, she joined the Korvosan guards to try to spread some good deeds around, but the amount of red tape she'd face and how thin the ressources were spread was too annoying for her to handle and she left their ranks.

Then, she became some kind of vigilante, striking against those that would lash out against the least fortuned, becoming in the process the big sis of her own circle of kids. Unfortunately, Gaedren had other plans, for he kidnapped one of these children precious to her, and now she hopes to get Gaedren to pay, and perhaps rescue a poor soul for Lamm's Lambs?

>>52042076
I'm tentatively impressed. I've never even read CotCT so I have no idea how much is HB. I'll have a look and get back to you. Thanks.

If I put 3 levels into unchained rogue and go unchained barbarian the rest of the way in order to play a dex-based barbarian, should I be using a two-handed finesse weapon or dual wielding?

>>52042149
May as well twf and get piranha strike.

>>52042076
What a Horser!

>>52042071
Feels bad man

>>52042076

>Tall, blonde super-woman fighting crime both above and below the badge

Now we need a straight laced guardsman who plays by the rules.

>>52042244
I'd make it but I already applied as a zen archer

>>52042230
Ophelia is pure! PURE! She doesn't lay with horses!

>>52042244
Cop. Vigilante. How do you round out the rest for maximum crime fighting?

>>52042295

What's the diametric opposite of the Bloodrager?

A class that's all about getting angry and using magic in melee is paired with a class about being calm and studious using mundane methods at range.

... Slayer?

>>52042295
An actual vigilante, a warrior of the streets, a cop and an Asmodean lawyer

>>52042305
Investigator.

>>52042305
>>52042306
CN Slayer and LN Warpriest? I assume the Bloodrager is CG, and the cop is some LG.

>>52042317
Shame Paizo decided that you can't be a ranged investigator, they'd make great archers if they didn't go out of their way to fuck that.

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Hey, /pfg/, I could use some help.

Short question: Which non-Druid divine spellcaster is best suited to be a melee caster?

Long question: Which class would fit this concept the best?

Heavy Armor and all Martial Weapons - Willing to take a 1 level dip into fighter for this.
Two-Handed Weapons - This prevents me from jumping into magus because several of their class features/feats/archetypes specify 1-handed weapons.
Spellcaster - I was hoping for Arcane, but the spell failure chance from heavy armor is too risky, and all my feats will be tied up, and so I'm settling for divine. Something capable of casting at least 6th level spells, unless the 4th spell level caster has a really good spell list. I was thinking about focusing on either debuff spells, or elemental damage.
Half-Orc - I'm open to other races, but I'm hesitant to take anything outside the more human looking ones.

The groups rules are, 6th level, Paizo - Pathfinder books only, no custom races or any worth more then 20 RP, 2 traits.

What do you think?

>>52042389
Hunter?

>>52042389
Metal Oracle?

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>>52042389
Warpriest, inquisitor, hunter, cleric, oracle, or shaman!

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>>52042413
I hadn't considered that, but I really didn't want to take an animal companion.
>>52042418
I'll look into that.
>>52042422
I'm not sure you understood the question.

>>52042389
Oracle is probably your best choice. 6th level casters are kind of weak when it comes to using spells offensively(and divine casters are disadvantaged when it comes to blasting to begin with), and I don't think other full casters can easily get all the proficiencies you want.

Alternatively, clerics get proficiency with the favored weapon of their god, and some of the domains offer better options for blasting, such as fireball.

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>>52042076

>>52042491
you can be a hunter without an animal companion, in fact, the best hunter archetype trades theirs away

>>52042546
Is there really an animalless hunter?

>>52042579
Feral Hunter.

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>>52042600
>gives up animal companion
>best hunter archetype

So, Vigilante archetype for CotCT, any suggestions?

>>52042610
welcome to paizo

>>52042624
Straight laced guard by day violent punisher by night

>>52042624
Serial Killer.

If I wanted to be a complete trickster dickass in battle, would I want to play a rogue or a bard?
I've already chosen I just wanna know what you guys think

>>52042649
I like it. Evil chars disallowed.

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>>52042244

>tfw I might be interested in playing that character

Wouldn't full ham be the vigilante woman lost a partner in the line of duty, and the straight-laced exemplar of the law is a newbie fresh from Magnimar with an illustrious family history of service, and wants to get close to her but she doesn't want to lose another partner she's come to care for?

>>52042653
Alchemist.

>>52042673
Dexter isn't evil

>>52042685
What is a Dexter?

>>52042700
Omelette du fromage

>>52042700

A strong start but disappointing finish.

Like most sex.

>>52042700
Thought it was like a Boston Pancake.

>>52042735
I think you're doing it wrong

>>52042700
A miserable pile of episodes
I meant the live action TV show, not Dexter's explodatorium

>>52042683
Interesting, but wouldn't really work for the character I had in mind. When I make a plague knight ripoff for some other game though I'll try it, obviously

>>52042766
Still ain't pickin' up whachoo puttin' down

>>52042786

It was a TV show featuring a serial killer who only killed other serial killers.

>>52042803
Ah, the anti-hero.

>>52042766
What is a man?

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>>52042515
>>52042076

I'm just throwing bits and pieces of artwork that I think might fit this woman, sorry if it's irrelevant to the discussion.

Anyone got any tips for Getting a pc to deal out Infernal pacts? Is it possible without homebrew?

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>>52042600
>>52042413
I looked into hunter and it looks okay, except I refuse to play the majority of shape shifters. Especially ones who can only turn into animals.

>>52042418
>>52042500
Metal Oracle is shaping up to be something interesting, thank you for the recommendation.

>>52042860

What, to get out of the deal? Usually the only way to trick the devil is to beat the devil at his own game. I recommend putting ranks in Perform (Strings.)

>>52042851
Post away. That your char?

>>52042867
I played a metal oracle once with a reach weapon which is why I'm suggesting it, went 18 str on her and used her oracle spells primarily for buffing.

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>>52042877

N-No, I just have artwork and I'm in a very giving mood.

>>52042874
Banjo? Really anon?

>>52042849
A television show consisting of four types of tissue arranged into various organs

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>>52041512
>How do we make ratfolk great again and not a terrible race?
Step 1: make them elves.
There is no step 2.

>>52042884

No, that's for fighting Ogres.

The devil is a bit more classy; he prefers the fiddle, otherwise known as the violin.

>>52042884
W-what the fuck is it with this stupid text stuttering around here? You got a type impediment?

>>52041512
>That picture

This general really is a hive of scum and villany

Are there people in golarion who study the Pathfinder rules like how physicists study the rules of our universe?

>>52042907
Have you ever read homestuck?

>>52042930
Can't say as I have. What it be? Been on a hard sci-fi kick recently.

>>52042930
>Are there people in golarion who study the Pathfinder rules like how physicists study the rules of our universe?

The University of Lepidstadt

What's my best option for being a gravity-manipulating character?
Most 3pp is on the table.
I've heard there's a gravity-type Kineticist archetype?

I'm looking to crush people, walk on walls, make enemies fall upwards into the sky, etc.

>>52043017
LK1. Void kinny. Might be something in KoP too.

>>52042941
It's a shitty webcomic, it's kind of pretentious and self referential and retardedly wordy. It was popular like four years ago but finished just last year. It does have animated flash sections set to some pretty great music, and though the writing is very hit or miss there's a LOT of worldbuilding. I still enjoyed it, but it has a shitty fanbase and a lot of people just don't like it, which is really understandable.

The reason I bring it up is because there's a race from an alternate dimension in the comic where, among other things, they all are compelled to type with individual "quirks" that are usually just letter cyphers (all caps, replacing S with 2, etc.) That was the extent of the joke, and I should probably just stop talking about this and hide this part of my interests in a dark unseen part of my soul

>>52043017
There's a psionics prestige class that handles all of that kinda stuff. Don't remember the name off the top of my head, but there is one!

>>52043108
holy shit homosuck actually ended?
wow
i thought it was just going to drag on forever
like it had been doing, y'know

>>52043017
I'm sure you know, but if you want to go Kinetcist pick up Jolly's whole collection. The rebuilt class is about to drop in LK2 any day now.

>>52043108
I see Planescape dabus' in my head

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What Race+ Gestalt combo has the largest boobs?

>>52043124
I thought I knew psionics pretty well and that's not ringing any bells. Dreamscarred?

>>52043216
If any old bullshit is on the table then pick the biggest size Giant available and use the "aasimar/tieflings can be half any race not just humans" rules to be a Colossal size then get two size-up effects from your classes that stack (probably a caster and a psion of some sort)
A Colossal++ breast should be about the size of a small house.

>>52043217
Found it, its called the Elocater, and yes Dreamscarred Press.

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>>52043108
I'm embarrassed to say, but I was super into it for awhile. I stopped at about the second year mark. I thought the trolls were funny.

I seem to be drawn to anything with a bad fandom.

>>52043263
Nice.

>>52043247

Assume less than RP 25

>>52043272
Well, you're in the right place, I'll say

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>>52043247
>A Colossal++ breast should be about the size of a small house.
MMMMMM
But... can we go BIGGER?

>>52041533
Avoid the monsters with humanoid components if in any way possible. Civilizations that include things like centaurs and minotaurs and all those types end up just being "nation of hats", heavy-handedly forcing a single issue or aspect of the civ "to show how not humans they are". It's as blatant and interest-murdering as the "afterschool-special SJW lesson" NPCs in some paizo materials.

Go for the really odd things; if you want them 'cute' don't make them fetish materials (totally fuckable; just add breasts!) , make them pokemon-cute. Make the villages and lives in consideration for the monsters ecologies - you may need to look to Hackmaster or AD&D for actual info on those parts of various monsters.

Even simple architecture can really help immersion. Consider a village of intelligent Dragon Quest enemy style crows. Housing might be centered around the main nest. Important landmarks or locations may be delineated by 'shinies' of various kinds; technically that's just the writing on their signboards, but to someone who can't read the language, that's six red marbles flashing in the sun.

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>>52043216

Damnit, why does pathfinder tempt me with lewdness

And how do I get in on it?

>>52043344
make it a bloatmage

>>52043344
Why, anon? Why?

>>52043344
And do NOT say I <3 boobies!

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>>52043247

and that's when they're relatively normal sized proportionally.

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>>52042679
The Guardsman should definitely be the full Imperial Guard type, complete with ten-thousand-yard "has seen way too much" stare.
There's demons and mutants spewing lasers and all that shit around numeria anyways.

And yes, lasgun is a must.

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>>52043344

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>>52043521
>ara ara

>>52043521
hot damn

>>52043349

>How do I get in on it?

Explain, it's not that hard!

>>52043447

That Titan is way too excited to kill a demon.

>>52042874
No, to actually make (pseudo)contracts with npcs/pcs in order to get souls in a more sophisticated way, rather than just casting soul bind/cacodaemon? I'm aiming to make an npc style pc for rp purposes.

What are some flavorful "steampunky" or clockworky magic items you can think of?

>Example - Wondrous Burning Hands Clockwork Flamethrower

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>>52043605

For whatever faults the developers of the game may have I've been tempted with the prospect of a pathfinder game for some time and I've been wanting to get books for several systems and start getting into playing and possibly gm'ing.

That and I at least appreciate the fact pathfinder is willing to dabble in my personal tastes because I like sci-fi in my fantasy and vice versa and I like lewd because I've been playing TITs so basically I just want an occasion to play my busty witch girl who uses her cauldron to cook for her team mates while slinging a rifle around to shoot people who mess with her "family" or be a manly swordsman with laser swords and guns

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>>52043674
>That and I at least appreciate the fact pathfinder is willing to dabble in my personal tastes because I like sci-fi in my fantasy and vice versa and I like lewd because I've been playing TITs so basically I just want an occasion to play my busty witch girl who uses her cauldron to cook for her team mates

Witch is one of the more powerful classes out there, and it even has a cauldron you can use to cook things (or people!)

>>52043687

Yes, I'm quit aware of the witch. I was drawn to the idea of a country girl witch who uses her musket for a broom because the game I might still be in for allows for muskets and muzzle loading weapons.

That and I want a hat that acts like a little house for my familiar

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>>52043716

Pathfinder General has a thing for gestalt, why don't you apply to a game with a Gunslinger || Witch?

>>52043623
I'm more concerned about how she got that much fabric together. Must be enough to blanket a couple of houses or some shit.

>>52043731
Literally the Spellburst Gunwitch.

>>52043741

Perhaps that's why she's so happy-she finally got enough fabric to finish her new outfit.

>>52043731

Does it have to be gestalt? I'm not that deep into mechanics I was thinking just taking the gunslinger feat and being done with it. I realize that's probably not ultra optimal but then it's not like i'm going in whacking people with a stick with my d6 hitdie.

>>52043716
>Musket for broom
But you lose out on opportunities to shoot at people while riding your broom!

>>52041512
Or is a weeb faggot, ratfolk are already one of the best races in PF and Golarion.
Just because you can't gap too them because your an animal ear headband weeb faggotron doesn't make them shit, it makes you shit

>>52043758

Wouldn't you be taking penalties for shooting from the broom?

>>52043755
I bet she enslaved that poor horned man to craft her clothes and is now discarding him now that he's done.

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>>52043756

Oh, absolutely! I'm just throwing things out there if you were ever keen on joining a /pfg/ campaign. Gunslinger feat works, the Gunslinger itself works, all depends on what you're applying for.

>>52043768
/thread

>>52043768
One day I'll play a high leadership character that has an army of rat legionnaires in a tortoise formation

>>52043773
If you made ranged attacks while mounted you only suffered penalties for double moving on the mount. So it probably shouldnt if its a broom which uses your only move action for the round.

Man, Leadership really does attract the baddies.

>worships Uragotha
>wants to crusade because of all the living that will die, so she can raise them
>not evil guise, just bordering it

Would it be wrong to apply to Romance of the Righteous Kingdoms with the same character I applied with for Wrath of the Raunchy, with some changes to account for "oh yeah you've got a crew with you now too"?

>>52043809
what does she want to use those skellingtons for?

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>>52043790

I see, so I've noticed before people talking about applying for games, so it's just a matter of seeing if gms are fishing for people?

>>52043825
Not bad form at all.

>>52043809
Mandatory leadership is also probably why people arent putting in as many apps as raunchy.
>Oh shit what does my character lead? What great leadership arc xXXLone WarriorXXx have in store for himself? Who the fuck is going to serve him even?

>>52043842

Put on elaborate song and dance numbers, maybe?

>>52043842
She's got a bone to pick. With the lack of men putting it in.

>>52043847
>so it's just a matter of seeing if gms are fishing for people?

Yup! There's a couple games currently looking for players, you could totally apply to one of them with a friendly, large-chested witch.

>>52043856
>>Oh shit what does my character lead? What great leadership arc xXXLone WarriorXXx have in store for himself? Who the fuck is going to serve him even?
A gaggle of cockthirsty sluts, that's who!

>>52043842
Not being lonely and for her own shits'n'giggles.

>>52043809
>>52043825
>>52043842
Don't join RotRK, the GM's banning PoW AND Spheres.

>>52043825
I don't see why it would. Lots of Anons (myself included) specifically wrote their characters for WotR and its not exactly a lazy copy paste job when you're applying for the exact same AP so I doubt anyone would think less of you for doing so.

>>52043809
Why not have followers of the Reformed Church of Urgathoa, who focus on the physical excess and gluttony instead of undead.

Just a bunch of opulent TN fats.

>>52043892
I don't know what those are
I've only applied for curse of the lazy throne

>>52043912
Make them all bloat mages too!

>>52043892
I doubt he would since its been a week and he's had plenty of time to change if mind if he did.

If you're lurking right now Romance GM, then I want to make it clear that it would be easier for everyone involved to finalize what you want and dont want in your campaign rather than making a last minute rule adjustment or giving up midway through the campaign because you cant handle it.

>>52043913
>CotCT
Now that one's the trap campaign thats going to crash and burn like shattered star.

>>52043939
Then how the fuck am I supposed to play this game

>>52043809
>Lorelei Copypasta
Oh come on, you already got into one campaign already!

>>52043912
She's a necromancer bro.

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>>52043948
You are playing the game anon. The game where you make a character, and then put their character sheet into the graveyard cause you weren't one of the six people picked to play.

>>52043948
You find one thats being run by a less shady GM?

>>52043948
LGS?

>>52043939
Shattered Star is doing fine without you.

>>52043972
Local Gaming Shop, anon.

>>52043939
O-ho is this Zalat Mota? You were hilariously toxic.

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>mfw I've reached the point in my build where I'm seriously considering Ordained Defender so I can take the Conversion Inquisition.

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>>52044036
I say "Do it."

What's the worse that can happen?

>>52043966
How is the GM toxic?

All I see is a bunch of people ganging up on the one player that's been accepted already, as if that'll make the GM go OH YEAH THIS BUNCH OF ASSHOLES ON THE INTERNET IS TOTALLY RIGHT and boot her, thus freeing up another spot for their thicc ulfen/tian samurai waifu.

>>52043994
Twas a suggestion, not a question, but thanks, anon.

>>52044045

I become a suave, silver-tongued motherfucker hiding behind a facade of brutishness and aloof mannerisms.

>>52044058
Only thing that turns me off is lvl 1 start. I'd be willing to give player and DM a shot. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Besides, what've you got to lose besides a few hours of your time?

>>52044088
Yeah, level 1 start is lame, but that's the price you pay when your GM's using an AP.

Also I should have said 'shady', not 'toxic' in my last post, apologies.

>>52044097
Start at lvl 3 and adjust the first 1 or 2 mods. Much better, I think.

>>52044122
Or you play the game the way the devs intended!

>>52044128
>Implying anyone in pfg at all runs pathfinder exactly as the rules/devs think you should

>>52044058
>Implying kicking out the crazy tranny will make a difference at this point
Sorry Friendo, its too late for you now. There is nothing you can say or do to make people forget that you're associated with cancer.

>>52044128
Crap that!

>>52044128
Devs are morons though

>>52044146
I sense a lot of hate in you, anon. Would you like to talk about it?

>>52044146
So what problem, exactly, do you have with the GM himself? What makes him shady?

>>52044189
He's just butthurt. He "heard" there was a problem player. Probly got his app shot down.

How does /PFG/ feel about a small-group game (2-3 players), in a more surreal setting inspired by the Deep South wherein your goal is to reach "Blood Mountain" and scale it to the peak, where unimaginable riches await. Along the way, you'll likely encounter some very strange occurrences, with a heavy focus on occult phenomena, southern gothic, and some spaghetti western-inspired antics. Weregators, cottonmouth lamias, voodoo witch doctors, the whole nine yards.

>>52044128

The devs thought the Sleeves of Many Garments needed to be nerfed.

>>52044253
>deep south voodoo ridiculousness

YES FUCKING YES

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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/bluff/

>Perform Inconspicuous Action

>Source PPC:SpyHB

>You can avoid drawing attention to yourself when performing conspicuous actions such as picking up an object in a museum where handling the exhibits is frowned upon but not a matter of grave concern, or closely studying someone across a room at a party.

>Action: You attempt the Bluff check as part of performing the action you wish to render inconspicuous. Normally, you must take twice as long as normal to perform the action in order to make it inconspicuous. A standard action becomes a full-round action completed just before the start of your next turn and a free, immediate, move, or swift action becomes a standard action.

>Check: Your Bluff check is opposed by observers’ Sense Motive checks. You can’t attempt the check if your very presence is suspicious (which you could prevent by altering your appearance with the Disguise skill).

Does this not affect spellcasting by RAW?

>>52044270
That's great.

Too bad I'll never actually run it.

>>52044263
I'm still trying to figure out what exactly the problem with them was. Were people changing rags into nobleman's clothes and selling them for a massive uptick in price? Were people cheesing Extremely Fashionable, which you could do just as well with prestidigitation anyway? I literally cannot figure it out.

>>52044285
;_;

>>52044253
That sounds very dumb, but fun. I rate it a fantastic/10.

Can I drain the lamias? For, uh, antivenom. Yea.

>>52044253
I like the sound of it. Hell ya.

>>52044278
"I recognize those somatic components. He's casting charm person, but it's inconspicuous so it doesn't matter."

>>52044189
The past few threads has shown me everything I need to see. I'm not going to recap what I've observed throughout this weekend. Maybe another Anon will be patient enough to do so but I've seen enough and have heard similar stories from multiple people to heed a warning when its been given to me.

>>52044285
Asshat.

>>52044278
No. You need feats to cast spells without drawing attention to it.

>>52044316
So you really don't have a reason and you're trying to poison the well.

Good to hear.

>>52041512
>been ForeverDM for awhile
>one of my players just decided to try running
>we almost ended up with an all ratfolk inquisitor party before deciding to go easy on the newbie
>still considering a game sometime that's nothing but ratfolk and teamwork feats

>>52044335

>Didn't go for all RAT, all the time

Sounds like a missed opportunity, anon.

>>52044278
It does not work with spellcasting.

>>52044278
Ask paizo or your fucking DM, when you try this bullshit in game you're going to say PFG SAID I COULD DO IT! We are not a valid source unless someone has a screenshot or link to an FAQ.

And on top of that, no one associated with paizo but shills from their forums browse PFG, you cannot get an official answer from us.

An idiot [lvl 1] PC walks into a room and slaps the main baddie. She knows a lot of spells. How does fireball work and how do touch spells work when I am rolling for the baddie's attack?

I have the core rulebook, but all I saw had to do with concentration... Halp pls PF masters.

>>52044373
Read the fucking rulebook you mongoloid.

>>52044270
>>52044305
I'll consider writing up materials for it when my life settles down. I'm probing /pfg/ for input right now.

>>52044303
Only if you prove yourself in THREE CONTESTS to win the approval of the family's youngest, prettiest daughter.

>outdrinking Papa, the Moonshine Brewer
>Outwrestling Brutish, the family Gator
>Outshooting Tommy, the crossbow sharpshooter.

If you can complete THESE THREE TRIALS, youll win the approval of their youngest daughter.

>>52044287
People were using it to make swarmsuits, heat resistant clothes, cold weather outfits, etc.

I dunno.

>>52044372
But anon said I could.

>>52044373
You apologize for being a shitty GM and wasting everyone's time, then commit sodoku.

>>52044393

I was under the impression they specifically could not make something that conferred a protective bonus.

>>52044393
Literally so what? They cost like 100gp put together, and the sleeves cost 200.

>>52044404
First time :[

>>52044355
Nah, just holding it for me to run so we don't scare the new DM into giving up. Pondering what I'll need to make combat fun with all the crap that party will pull. Maybe make the enemies counter-heavy intiators.

>>52044373
Touch spells and fireballs are completely different.

Touch spells are just like attacks and use attack rolls. Base Attack Bonus plus Strength Mod determines the to-hit bonus. Ranged touch use Dexterity instead. If a melee touch attack misses, it's still charged on the caster's hand until they hit in following turns or until expiration (or casting another spell).

When they throw a fireball, the people in the AoE roll Reflex saves to not take damage (DC 10 + spell level + caster's ability modifier). The caster rolls no d20 unless she's making a concentration check to cast defensively (DC 15 + spell level, so 18) or if one of the creatures in the AoE has spell resistance (roll a simple d20 plus the caster's class level against it to see if it works at all).

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>>52044392
Is she redneck trash hot?

>>52044418
You went too big. That's your mistake as a GM.

PCs meeting a big bad at level 1 is a mistake.

>>52044463
Oh yeah and Touch/Ranged Touch spells target Touch AC instead of regular AC, since unlike a sword swing, it doesn't matter if you hit armor or the person under, so that shit doesn't help them in the AC calculation.

>>52044472
I blame my retarded friend for suggesting we start with the Inner Seas instead of Rise of the Runelords.

I was dumbing down the whole thing for them. Making enemies ACs -10 and their damage dice/Atkins bonus much lower...

I'm sure rotr will be much better.

These goobers bought the inner seas book and wanted to go to the cathedral where people cut their own limbs off and willfully subject themselves to torture.

>>52044464
Possibly. Maybe. Yes. The answer is unclear.

>>52044418
The problem isnt that its your first time playing. The problem is that you clearly did not put any effort into understanding the rules. You will pretty much get the same answer over and over that isnt spoonfeeding.

Read the crb, read it again then test out how the rules then polish up on parts of the game you don't understand.

>>52044418
Do you use a GM screen or GMroll damage? You can still salvage a really shitty situation by having the big bad 'lose' at the very beginning. Use shitty spells like chill touch, if she's higher than level 12 she can do 2 chill touches a turn for 2d6 damage, enough to seem like a real threat. Have them do like 30 health worth of damage and have the big bad 'fall unconcious' and fireball them all to death when they get close.

Have them die or fall unconscious or something and make someone save them in order to push the plot in a direction.

It's typical JRPG shit, but it might be enough to impress first time parties.

If this fails to impress your players, then you kill yourself.

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>>52044535

I'm down with that.

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>>52044535

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If you have natural claws from one class ability, and natural claws from another class ability, can you put one pair of claws on your hands and one pair of claws on your feet and effectively get 4 natural attacks?

>>52044631
No

>>52044571
I have a screen.

The guys bought a book with a bunch of settings in it. They picked one and we're just determined to play at The Cathedral of Excuisite Agony, which is for very high lvl characters. Basically one guy is unconscious and they killed one priest and a bunch of ghouls. This is after I made the enemies weaker.

So hopefully now they'll be patient and let me finish putting together Rise of the Runelords for our first real campaign.

>>52044648
>dm getting bullied by players to do something stupid
>it's shit
Tell your players you run the shit, not them.
Rule #1 bout being a good gm is being able to separate who you are as a gm from your regular self. You aren't their friend, you are the gm, a being so far above them it's almost comical.

>>52044631
Doesnt work like that, a quick google search will tell you the specifics on RAW on why it doesn't but it doesn't.

>>52044631
No. You need talons or hooves if you want feet natural attacks.

>>52044700
>>it's shit?

What did I claim is shit?

>>52044752
The game.
It is, was, and could only be shit, for a laundry list of reasons your stupid players ignored because they don't understand that yes, pnp rpgs have STRUCTURE, and the GM doesn't exist to make you look good.
That they demanded to play something out of their reach and beyond your ability to properly, or sensibly, GM means they are entitled shits who do not respect you, and you enabled there entitled shittiness by being a doormat.
Know when to say "No", anon, if you want to be a good GM, and demand your position of authority as the game's sole final arbitrator be respected.

>>52043965
I was the first to apply so I can dream

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>>52044809
You must be great at parties...

Oh wait.

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This whole fucking place is shit.

>tfw want to make an app for Curse of the Lazy Throne.

But I'm too lazy.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12476105

Polling about starting level. Starting higher level means that the early stuff will be balanced upwards but that you won't level to level 4 still until you would've hit level 4 normally.

>>52044858
Just think about how people will endlessly shitpost about your app if it's noteworthy at all!

I do, and that's why I'm dragging my feet on mine

>>52044876
A poll? Literally no one but a misguided GM or a player who's never touched the game before wants a level 1 start.

>>52044886
There's charm starting in rustiest dagger shanktown.

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>>52044882
>tfw no one ever shitposts about my apps
I guess that means my apps aren't noteworthy.

>>52044895
Dying in a single hit sure is fun, boy howdy! Can't wait to tell Ma and the boys how the character I spent time craftin' a backstory for, all careful-like, ended up not even gettin' through the first combat!

>>52044829
I am, actually.
I enjoy having a good time, and encourage others to have a good time, as well.
Difference is, running a game is a learned skill for a lot of people, it requires you to understand your place, take responsibility, demand respect and give it, too.
You demand respect because when you don't, you have situations like >>52044648, where the players are telling the GM how to run his game, even if they are not prepared to handle it, because they believe the GM is their pawn of sorts.
You give respect to the players for authorizing to you a position of governance over them and trusting in you to make wise decisions that they are nominally bound to accept by the norms of pnp gaming.
It's likely you rarely, if ever, run games, and not for a broad group of people.

>>52044916
Anon, you really need to stop relying on fallacies to present an argument.

>>52043985
Why do you lie anon? We all know Espagnoll is an ignorant shithead.

>>52044905
Fret not, young anon. Even the nega-memes still have a chance to make it in.

Look at me, my character for DragonGame1 was practically forgotten the instant it was posted, mostly by Avowed 2 popping in. I still managed to make it in.

>>52044895
No there isn't.

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After working a little more on Aurora's design I have made an executive decision that will change the fate of worlds, something that will shape the landscape of Dragon 2 forever.

She's tan now, for the sake of contrast with the scales, her light clothes and to compliment the gold.

>>52044944
Anon, you need to play at level one. You're going to spend turns auto attacking something with no feats to support your playstyle. Most game at level one aren't players getting one shot, (unless a DM is throwing an orc with a battle axe at you, if that's the case fuck him with a bunch of nigger dicks duct taped together) it's players and monsters never hitting anything waiting for death.

>>52044944
That's not a fallacy. That's a legitimate reason why players don't like level 1 starts and happens.

>>52044964
>not delicious brown
ya goofed

>>52044964

Duly noted.

Pineapple head.

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>>52044964
>tan
Now all you need to do is make her a boy who wears a skirt and she'd literally be perfect.

>>52044964

Give her golden eyes and we're in business.

>>52044979

>fuck him with a bunch of nigger dicks duct taped together

The orc or the DM?

>>52045007
Yes.

>>52045007
The DM.

>>52044979
Oh god that fucking misery. I remember thinking level 1 was a good place to start out newbies, because character creation is so easy at 1st level.

They couldn't hit anything so combat was just this neverending slog with me constantly reassuring people that it gets better. If I had to introduce a totally new group to the game again, I would do ONE combat at level 1 and then timeskip to when they're grown up and level 3. Adding 2 levels isn't hard.

>>52044944
Sorry, bro, I was being facetious and thought that came across in my text.

I don't care for level 1 games, especially in a setting where everyone's supposed to have carefully crafted and polished backstories, but it's really not a dealbreaker for me.

>>52045025
Alternatively, it can become Only The Barbarian Can Smack Anything, because at level 1, whoever has the most lopsided stat investment into the stat that dictates their attack rolls is god. It's massively weighted towards that compared to at any other stage of the game where BAB and weapon enhancements make your attribute amount to far less of your AB.

>>52044989
No, players don't like level 1 starts because they are so common, and because they are common, fairly boring.
That is the actual reason, and even that can be dealt with by a DM who makes the game more about combat.
>>52045025
>They couldn't hit anything
How? Poor rolls is the only way to explain this, because at level 1 with a 16 in your primary attacking skill, a 10+ on a d20 means you are meeting most ACs you will encounter.
They didn't flank? Enemies were neither weak enough to be dropped easily, or too stupid to present a challenge, or the DM didn't have enemies make tactical errors to set up the players?

Alright, I'll admit I was a bit naive, wanting to start level 1 only because it seemed to fit thematically and that, besides Gaedren, not much combat is required to hit level 3 anyway. I have my shortcomings as well.

Starting level is 3 with 3k GP wealth.

>>52045093
I was hoping you would be a GM with integrity but instead you're just another push-around "nat20 whooo selfie! Hashtagnosnapchatfilter! Yeah bro!" doormat dick mitten.

>>52041533
Well, I kinda came up with an ERP setting where there simply were no straight up humans, just giants, who begat elves, who then begat everything else because of their highly experimental nature and near universal compatibility. So you can kind of treat it like mythology in a sense. Gods/Titans/Giants and Elves just fucking around. Literally.

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>>52045093
Nice, dude. A wise move, I think.

>>52044979
The last level 1 game I played in, the GM swapped out hobgoblins for initiating humans with weapon-adapted broken blade and bomb collars that did 5d8 ref half when someone managed to kill one, and insisted they were still CR 1/2.

>>52045120
Jesus christ, give the guy a break
Maybe there's a reason almost all the games posted here fucking die

>>52043200
The dabu used rebuses though.

>>52045120
What a dick! Were you raised wrong?

>>52045120
Wow, dude, why the fuck are you so angry?

Also: Why are you so incomprehensibly angry?

>>52045138
Seriously. What a douche.

Is it rude and or just stupid to review apps to dragons2 when I myself am I app to it?

Be the change you want to see, right?

>>52045120
I wish I was as well, anon.

The only true integrity I have is over the party I select. If they tell me 'Nah, after all we wanna start 1st level' after I select a party, then who cares, we'll start first level.

I'm here to accomodate players and provide entertainment as best as I can try, write a story about their characters becoming heroes in a world I happen to run.

>>52044992
So, I would but I feel like that's be too much of a jump from the original concept, Also, too much contrast... although I might just try it and see how it looks.

>>52044994
I need to make a picture of Aurora pouting to create as a response to these.

>>52044996
Not everyone can be a trap, although I'm surprised how few traps there are applying for this one.

>>52045001
It's hard to draw, I'm going to have to do a close up at some point but she's got literal aurora eyes that do the whole glittering 'northern lights' thing.

>>52045140
Rebuses, l33t whatever

>>52045171

Closed eyes beget a closed mind, anon. Keep yourself ever watchful of techniques an application does right or wrong, and integrate them into your own.

>>52045171
Literally no one's going to stop you, but you have to ask yourself if you can be 100% unbiased.

Keep in mind that people can and do rewrite their apps if they get critiqued, also that DHB's gonna keep harassing you to re-critique every time he changes a tiny thing about his character.

>>52045135
Did anyone survive the first fight, and how many people had to reroll? Or did you all collectively quit?

>>52045206
The magical girl and her familiar got rekt and the GM got pissy when we protested and killed the game.

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>>52045178

No need-I can make one for you.

Theories on which Raunchy app is going to make a comeback for Romance?

>>52045190
>>52045171
I applied to another game and also gave another person tips, and both of us would have got in if times were right.

There's no fairness in apps; there's no gold standard and the GM will choose what they want, not some nebulous "best" application. If that's the case, anything goes. Help the people with characters you'd want to play with, don't help the ones you don't want to, see what happens. The only worst case scenario is if you fail to get in and the person you helped did it.

Do whatever you want to do, anon!

>>52045190
>also that DHB's gonna keep harassing you to re-critique every time he changes a tiny thing about his character.
I feel bad for having done that and looking back I made quite a big ass of myself. I'll attempt to lay off in the future if someone is kind enough to review, unless I do a complete rewrite.

>>52045259
Literally like half of them.

>>52045171
I reviewed my own app for RotJR. Do it anon, people need the feedback.

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>tfw no bloodforge-esque expanded options for ratfolk
>the no mechanical way to make a rat folk based off of other rodents like dipodomys, echimyidae, sciurids, capybara, porcupines, beavers, pocket gophers, or any other interesting rodent
I just wanted to be a radical rodent! Will I have to make my own homebrew document instead? Or is this a dumb idea?

>>52045190
You don't actually have to be 100% unbiased. Just admit what bias you have as a caveat to what you're saying whenever you recognize (as you should) that you're speaking primarily out of personal preference.

>>52045138
>>52045147
>>52045161
>>52045150
Not the douche hat but you guys act like this isn't a regular occurance on the board.

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How can character get Elemental Flux from Unorthodox Method.

Tell me.

>>52045267
Well, if you think you can be unbiased and helpful, then go for it! Critiques are always fun to read.

>>52045336
Ask your GM.

>>52045326

It's an incredibly dumb idea, but you should do it anyway.

>>52045345
>>52045190
Literally expecting this guy to just list every app and put "It's shit. Kill yourself loser." next to each.

>>52045336


>Unorthodox Method (Regional, Any)
>Benefit: – You trade one of your class’s available disciplines for a different discipline of your choice. You gain the new discipline’s skill as a class skill.

hmmmm I wonder

>>52045336
By picking Unorthodox Method then saying "I'm trading out something else for Elemental Flux."

>>52045259

Most of them have already been re labeled for application even if an app hasn't been sent

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>>52045336

The same way any hero unlocks incredible new abilities that may not make a lot of thematic sense.

The power of friendship.

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>mfw unironically considering the Additional Traits feat because I'm becoming a trait-hungry slut with this character

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>>52045354
I guess I will. Kangaroo Rat folk here we go!

And I guess beavers too, so all you canucks can get all patriotic

>>52044951
But he runs a fun game.

So glad you're not there to bring it down.

>>52045436

Speaking of Additional Traits, where can I find a list of the traits included in Path of War? The only one I know about is Unorthodox Technique!

>>52041512

Don't give them a singular nation with a single culture. Don't make them just 'human cultural group X, but as rats!' Make them as varied as humans cultures, or at least attempt to. Later question why you are putting this much effort into something no one will read or care about. Realize later still that you could have just written humans. Realize even later that human social groups are already difficult as it is and fictional ones gloss over real human issues, playing on stereotypes too much.

>>52045131
So the Norse mythology.

>>52045439
Porkypine-folk sound more interesting. Though they probly gotta be nekked.

>>52045465
Porcupines ain't hedgehogs, they have space and normal hair for rudimentary clothes, such as a harness, apron, or loin/breechcloths

>>52045465
Could make it a weird akashic thing, where you can invest in your porq spikes to get a natural attack and natural armor for more expensive harnesses or armor, as though you were one size larger or something.

>>52045462

I would unironically adore a setting built around Celtic and Germanic mythology, where Daoine Sidhe is the baseline "human" and things only get weirder from there (Dwarves replaced with Dark Elves, for example.)

>>52045462
Huh. I guess so when I think about it. I was thinking a little more like greek mythos in a sense, where the elves weren't shy with mating with animals, hence why there are beast races.

>>52045530
That's awesome. I should start thinking of shit like that to do with my next character.

>>52045498
Kinda' what I was thinkin'

>>52045454
The only traits are from Path of War: Extended. Just look in the trove or at the SRD.

>>52045530
>pauses before boardign a boat to shake her fetish over the water

What was her fetish, anon?

>>52045510
As opposed to Celtic ones where two brothers were turned into mated pairs of animals and transformed every year.

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>>52045530
Cute
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>>52045436
>mfw I pretty much HAVE to take additional traits to fill out my character right now, even though I have 3-4 other feats I could/should take
>mfw I am literally incapable of making characters that come fully online before level 5-6
>mfw even then those builds will choke on choices until level 11

send help

>>52045544
>>52045559
>>52045565
W-what?

>witch character joins party
>expect her to be wizard-light
>acts intelligently enough
>pauses before boarding a boat to shake her fetish over the water
>literally knocks on wood when someone jokes about potentially dying
>protects herself from someone else's well meant parting "blessing of the gods on ye" with a hand gesture
>refuses to touch the slain corpses of the enemies even to loot them
>ritually cuts off the shapeshifters head, puts coins in its mouth (and takes them off her character sheet in doing so) and faces the head into a corner to prevent haunting by the spirit of the shapeshifter
That was cute and really, really creepy by turns.

>>52045559
Necklace of claws and fangs.

>>52045576
Rituals and superstitions help flesh out a character and make them feel more like people.
No idea why it got deleted the first time 'round.

>>52045576
Someone apparently deleted

>>52045530
Paraphrased below:

>witch character joins party
>expect her to be wizard-light
>acts intelligently enough
>pauses before boardign a boat to shake her fetish over the water
>literally knocks on wood when someone jokes about potentially dying
>protects herself from someone else's well meant parting "blessing of the gods on ye" with a hand gesture
>refuses to touch the slain corpses of the enemies even to loot them
>ritually cuts off the shapeshifters head, puts coins in its mouth (and takes them off her character sheet in doing so) and faces the head into a corner to prevent haunting by the spirit of the shapeshifter

>That was cute and really, really creepy by turns.

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>>52045530
>>52045581
Now THAT is how you play a Witch, or any other "weird" caster.

>>52045576
Reposted here.

>>52045581

>>52045581

Oh, that's fairly vanilla for a witch.

>>52045599
Having that as a fetish, I mean.

>>52044964
Oh shit nigga what are you doing! !

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>>52045581
>>52045530
>>protects herself from someone else's well meant parting "blessing of the gods on ye" with a hand gesture

>>52045594
Always sucks when divines don't research their deities, and weird casters don't use their class.

>>52045594
Agreed. Quality fuckery right there

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>>52045626
Atropopaism is fun.

>>52045647
>Apotropaism is fun
ftfy

>>52045617
Making her 10 times hotter

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>>52045663
Thank you.

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>>52045675
I'm gonna befriend the ever loving smut out of Aurora.... if we both get picked.