Last time on Song of Swords: The usual guy didn't make

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>>52014919
>No Edition Name Edition

Were we always this shit or are we getting new blood?

Upcoming tournament rules
https://paste2.org/W6ztXUUP

First entry?
https://paste2.org/4Y5ACv0D

>>52015045
>Last time on Song of Swords: The usual guy didn't make a new thread.
I've been here since the beginning though. It's getting kinda late here though. And some other excuses.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SongofSwordsRPG/comments/5xdjpm/dumb_lore_questions/
Jimmy answered to stuff!

>>52014919
We talked about God's that weren't the big ten, and no one mentioned that goddess of death and cancer that we woke up when we killed Sulla.

>>52007742

Anecdotal evidence isn't the best. There's also an anecdote of a Saracen impaling two Crusaders in full maille and padding in one couched charge (the lance having completely gone through them both).

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Character submission for the tournament

There's actually 8 PCP in attributes, with how 7 and 8 cost double for this tournament's rules

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>>52015081
>Escher builds doomsday weapons for a girl he likes
>Gets called a nerd
>Uses the machines to make everyone around him miserable

>>52015818
Love makes fools of us all, even Dr Doom.

hey i made a legendary japanese warrior please fight me

>>52016335
actually i need someone to teach me how to fight because i sure as shit dont know

>>52015046
I would join, but I consistently roll like shit on r20. I've been killed by literal trashmobs due to my consistent jobbering. Life sucks.

>>52015106
>that goddess of death and cancer that we woke up when we killed Sulla.
What?

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So how, as a GM, do I rules-wise go about using this system for a hardcore game about the Norman conquest of Sicily? How much does each strength point above the base represent proportionally, and thus where would I want to realistically cap it?

And the blunt penetration rule being used for maille, where can I find that?

>>52016937
Cap it at 10 if you want the people to hit the human peak. Otherwise 8 or 9.

From Jimmy:
>As for the difference between people in different walks of life--I'd say a soft person with a non-manual job who hasn't every really done anything physical in his life except maybe play some games as a kid or whatever (in other words the average NEET) would probably have 2-3 in his physical stats, as opposed to the average 4-5 for a medieval laborer.

>>52017015
>>52016937
Also from Jimmy:

>8 strength is stronger than any man you have ever met.
>10 strength is the strongest man you can reasonably imagine.
>13 strength is so ridiculously strong that you would assume the claims of such feats of strength are fairy tales until you actually see Björnsson throw a barrel eight meters into the air.

>>52017015
8 seems reasonable then, as I doubt anybody in the 11th-12th centuries would have had the simple nutrition to get to 10 as it sounds. People could get ripped back in the day, but not THAT ripped without protein shakes and science-informed nutritional diets.

>>52016937
Cap it at 6

>And the blunt penetration rule being used for maille, where can I find that
It should be right before all the armor tables. What you do is: when cutting damage comes at metal armor, just inflict a bludgeoning wound instead of a cutting one.

>>52017321
Oh, well that's simple of enough. Thanks.

>>52017357
That's not all of it:

>Whenever a cutting weapon inflicts damage to an area protected by Hard armor, change it to bludgeoning damage, but still resolve it against the Cutting AV of the armor. At the GM’s discretion, if the damage inflicted exceeds TOU+AV by 4 or more, it may cleave through the armor and inflict a cutting wound

Someone statted out the Dragonslayer/Dark Souls Greatsword as this:

Ultra Greatsword/Dragonslayer: Sword 2H | EL | 7(+6c) | 8(+4p) | 8(0) | Heavy Weapon, Freakishly Large, AP Swing 4, Crushing 4, Shock 4, AP 4 against supernatural defences later on in Berserk | Wt. 8

Possibly requiring STR 9 or 10 instead of 8.

How would you stat out the Crypt Blacksword from Dark Souls 2?

Very Long Length? What about ATN and damage?

>>52016937
You could copy the way Band of Bastards does it. It doesn't translate perfectly to SoS, but it may help.
When cutting or piercing damage hits armor, convert it to bludgeoning but still resolve it against the AVC or AVP. If the metal armor is also rigid - not mail but think of a metal helmet - then the bludgeoning wound inflicted is capped at a level 3.

>>52017516
Discretion is a nice note. Although the only weapons at the time that would "cleave" would be axes.

How would you stat Moonstone armor? As Orichalum but +10 Bludgeoning AV instead?

>>52016464
You still around?

>>52016686
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/41326887/#41383834

It's the end of a dual fecht that Jimmy ran, Starting with Drosaico transporting some Ruvians to the other side of Karthack.

It starts here http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/41176815/#41209701
The Thread chain peters out after Drosaico, and Camillus' fecht starts here
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/41326887/#41380257

>>52016686
In one of the fechts we ran a guy named Camillus who attacked a monastery with a bunch of Romans, killed a Silver Guard and a Paladin (the Paladin was Sulla) and then unleashed some sort of ancient sumerian plague demon that killed him and all of the Romans.

Hell of a cliffhanger.

>>52019767
Oh shit, I remember that. That was like 2 years ago

>>52015081
>King has superstitions taken straight from 4chan
Riffing on the Donte face?

>>52017098
>see Björnsson throw a barrel eight meters into the air.
I want to see this. Is it on YouTube?

>>52020157
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAO9SA1jcC8

>>52020301
That type of strength doesn't translate into being able to slice through plate armor with a sword

>>52020373
But it does translate to knocking people prone and/or stunning them.

A 12G slug might not penetrate a bulletproof vest, but it'll sure as hell shatter anything behind it.

>>52020403
perhaps SoS should model that instead of making bodybuilders into fantasy heroes

>>52020441
Or you could do what any intelligent person would do and translate it to the bludgeoning table. If you're not fond of that, then try the unarmed table.

>>52020471
>implying SoS having STR add to damage without end is intelligent
Ok kid

>>52020665
>>52020471
>>52020441
>>52020403
>>52020373
These arguments stopped being informative in 2015.

200% get.

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>>52020732
AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>52020857

>>52020857
I really hope that the Magic Compendium and Hunter's Handbook are going to be available Print on Demand later.

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>>52020857
TIS WEAK TO FIRE!

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>>52020732
>>52020857

>>52020857
I hope they include a guide to making your own monsters

>>52019767
She was a PaleoElf.

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>>52020857

>>52020857
Is that tiny dragon fucking someone's face? Someone with short brown hair?

>>52020857
>one of the draws of the setting is the bizarre supernatural nature of the monsters
>throw a fucking dragon on the cover
There should be a man surrounded by Aufhockers on the front.

>>52019925
It was? What the fuck is up with the chronology here?

>>52021229
>>52020857
It should be a team of men with swords looking distraught, as way up and in the distance is an actual dragon made of lightning and crystal, not a wyvern or drake

>>52021249
It should be that, but then instead of the team of men with swords, it should be a really, really tiny Sarah Gizka in a "come at me bro" stance.

>>52021229
It should be some dudes caught out in an eclipse, some schwarzvald beasties around them (aufhockers are a good choice, but I'm partial to rottreiters) while a dark watcher looms overhead.

>reach 24000
>reveal new stretch goal
>only one new stretch goal, so after it's met there's nothing to look forward to, and if you're not particularly interested in this one, then you've got nothing already
Jimmy, tell Bones (since apparently you personally have no involvement in this) to get their shit together.

Also tell them that if they have goals but just can't get the budget stuff worked out yet, at the very least you could put up "anthology of stories by Jimmy Rome (and select contractors) set in the Tattered Realms" since you can do that yourself on a shoestring budget if it comes to it, and the worst possible failure there is missing deadlines.

>>52021345
And the book is "over twenty" monsters, which is a pretty low number, so if nothing else they could add a stretch goal to make it bigger.

>>52021204
Fuck, I see it too. Facehugger dragons when?

>>52021345
They already have too much to do in a year already they don't need to be adding more stuff. That's how you get things that take 5 years to come out

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Podcast of people playing Song of Swords. Give it a listen.

http://wanderinggamer.wixsite.com/wanderinggamer/single-post/2017/03/01/At-a-Glance---Song-of-Swords

>>52021493
There's an easy solution to that. When Bones makes the post announcing it, he can include the following text:

“The majority of the stretch goals unlocked past this point will NOT be ready by the estimated delivery date of February 2018. In fact, some things may not even be started by then! We simply don't have the manpower to get more done in one year. Don't worry though, we remain committed to getting the core material (and the first set of stretch goals) done by our original deadline, and additional content will get to you as soon as possible!"

Incidentally I give Opaque Industries full legal right to use that text in its totality or any derivation thereof without any specific citation or remuneration. You can have that bit or marketing for free.

>>52021521
>nearly three hours
I mean I wanna listen but fuck

>>52021640
>“The majority of the stretch goals unlocked past this point will NOT be ready by the estimated delivery date of February 2018.
Oh God no, that's fucking terrible. Don't do that. Just get it all done by February as was promised.

>>52021672
They didn't promise to get any of the stretch goals unlocked at over $25000 done by February, and in fact doing so, in addition to all the stuff that's already unlocked, would be pretty fucking close to impossible. I mean hell, it's going to be tough just with the stuff that's already unlocked.

Though you're right, maybe the big about how everything unlocked so far is going to be ready by the announced date as planned, to prevent people from seeing it negatively.

>>52021521
>Any personality stuff?
>He has wavy brown hair and uh, he's tall
Their goal didn't sound like a token when they were talking about the system but she does now.

>>52021521
>all that failing to pierce armor
I feel like the DM didn't have a good grip on how armor works.

>>52022404
First time using the system I'd wager.

>>52022404
>>52022469
I spoke to the guy mere hours before they played and talked him through a few points. I'm impressed they were able to do it straight out of the book so easily given the current stage of development.

>>52021521
Christ they're doing so much wrong. It gives me coniptions...

>>52022534
Well, they're clearly experts.

>>52020857
I really look forward to having one of my players gored by a FUCKING BOAR going out Baratheon style.

>>52022593
As I recall, in Dzicke Pola, the Boar monster entry is almost unilaterally more dangerous than the Peasant one.

>>52022743
Rulebook states that boars are also smarter than Polish peasants

>>52022817
Boars are intelligent.

>>52022817
Sounds about right.

>>52022543
But they're having fun.

>>52022927
That's one of the things they are doing wrong

>>52022543
I'm almost two hours in. They go "oh we were doing this wrong" several times throughout it. So presumably they'd git gud under continued play.

Vaguely Ballad-related, here's people under an AnCap flag fighting people under a soviet flag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enIIfAZC210

We 1930s Spain soon.

>>52023034
Does that guy have a fucking shield
How long until people start bringing spears and swords to this shit?

>>52023052
Probably going to go straight to guns.

>>52022855
>>52022920
>>52022817
Surprisingly boars have a rally top notch education system.
Its the standard I expect my players to conform to, are you as smart as or smarter than a boar.

>>52023034
>implying things won't stay within the context of factional elections
We Dace soon.

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I am fond of pigs.

>>52023034
>>52023052
Fucking hilarious

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Stat 'em lads

>>52023135
utilikilt/10

>>52023135
whatthe fuck is he using as a weapon?

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>>52022972

>>52023196
I think he meant the shield guy who keeps hitting people in the head, who dropped his weapon (a PVC pipe?) at one point.

>>52023299
I think it's wood. PVC is shit for weapons.

>>52023305
>implying Berkleyites have enough high-level weapons tech to know that
A lot of their weapons are just the hafts of signs or flags that got repurposed.

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Stat her lads

>>52023316
anti-/fa/ out of 10, seriously bitch needs to learn how to dress.

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>>52023316
>that hamplanet on the left
[entering a state of berserkergang]

I look forward to the gun fights

>>52023316
In the land of the Pig the Butcher is King

>>52023332
It looks like standard antifa gear aside from the color choices.

Who's dumber, the whale with her rag up or the aposematic with no glasses? Who's going to be fucked worse when the pepper spray comes out?

>>52023316
What the fuck are those shields?

>>52023034
Spain now is honestly not that different. The anarchists and the fascists are the two biggest street gangs around, and the communists aren't far behind. But normal people don't get involved in that kind of fight and instead are overwhelmingly either socialist or populist and so don't need to fight since they already control the government. And you'll notice that "normal people" aren't the main demographics in these situations either, I'm pretty sure it's not going to end up as a civil war any time soon, much as I'd like to eat popcorn.

>>52023397
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifascist_Circle

Unless you mean the construction in which case I'm pretty sure they're just plywood with some kind of grip bolted to the back. The rivets around the edge are likely aesthetic.

>>52023419
Jesus fucking christ they even have an emblem to go on their shit?

>>52023435
Typically iconography is invented in a movement way before it gets violent.

>>52023419
>>52023316
I'm actually pretty curious what the grip is like. If it was me making a shield from hardware store materials, I'd screw an off-the-shelf handle on, but use a rope across the middle of the forearm, while they look like they've got the same kind of thing on both sides.

This brings up an interesting question, guys. What gear would y'all use for political riots?

>>52023472
I'm more curious why the fuck they need these shields
Are people bringing spears and shit already? When will we see the Antifa phalanx pushing against the Comrade shieldwall?

>>52023477
A political riot is just a peasant rebellion.

>>52023485
Those three don't really have the physiques you'd expect from someone accustomed to combat, so it's likely a purely symbolic thing, to show that they are ready, in theory, to fight fascism even if it's a literal fight, rather than because they expect to actually be involved in one. That said, shields are nice weapons and nice defense against pretty much anything someone might hit you with.

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>>52023477
What, if we could have anything?

>>52023485
>When will we see the Antifa phalanx pushing against the Comrade shieldwall?

Never, because both sides are primarily populated by upper middle class wannabe culture warriors with noodlier arms than your average Voscan goblin and even less physical presence.

>>52023495
They're not rebelling against the government, they're just fighting each other.

>>52023477
I'd bring my cute anime girls and have them nuke the entire opposition

>>52023523
Same shit
It's bandits fighting against peasants, except nobody knows who the bandits actually were.

>>52023514
I was thinking out of stuff that you could feasibly prepare for such an occasion.

>>52023379
You're fucking kidding right? Looking good is really, really important. Like shit, imagine if the Nazi's all wore trashbags with holes for the arms and legs. Nobody would take them seriously.

How can we fix their uniform? I'm thinking size requirements so that hamplanet can't fuck up the image, leather pants and black waistcoats with their symbol over the heart pocket or maybe at the top of the lapel. Embroidered in deep purple, of course. Light violet shirts, no cufflinks. Crew cut for combat effectiveness, and maybe a dense muffler and mirrorshades to deal with light and inhalation.

I dunno how to fix their shields, but we'll get back to that, as for weapons we'll have to get hard. Specifically metal piping. I'm thinking 1/4" or 1/2" steel.

>>52023555
Black is almost always associated with bad guys now, which is why these pukes are all opting for obnoxious pastels.
You need something that says "Good Guys," or at least "Modern Queer"

>>52023541
A spear (aka actually just a metal rod because fuck that shit I'm not bringing an actual spear) and shield, plus a bunch of those 2-5kg discs you can stack onto dumbells, if we disallow firearms. Maybe a the socket end of computer charger too to intimidate
But real talk I wouldn't be in one in the first place.

>>52023595
And you're gonna let the facists ruin a good colourshade? We could swap the black with white, but that also screams evil now.

>>52023555
>leather pants
Looking good is important but practicality is important too. Who has the budget to outfit even one squad of antifa warriors in that? Stick to jeans.

>>52023638
>you're
We're not antifa.

>>52023643
>not just slacks
Everyone has a pair of slacks, or so I'd hope.

>>52023657
I own a single pair in black and one in tan.
Too poor to shop for clothes anywhere that isn't a thrift, and it seems only other poor people donate to the ones near me.

>>52023676
That's enough though, just put on your black slacks and a checkboard shirt. Wear one of those edgecoats if you have one (a lot of girls have them as normal overwear so there's that). Put on some loafers. There, a cheap and simple 'good looking' uniform that everyone has unless they're NEETs - oh shit...

>>52023541
Well, it depends on how fantastic we're being here. Of course the real ideal would be a proper combat rifle with the best armor you can get. Do military surplus places sell the good ceramic stuff? I haven't looked into it. But modern soldiers are kitted out by people way more proficient at this than you or I. It's a good setup. But there's a reason antifa folks don't use guns much, and money is only a part of it. The other thing is that these fights typically start as peaceful rallies in public places, often schools, and you can get arrested for having a gun on a school. If we were being middle-ground and saying no guns, but other weapons are okay, I'd probably go with a handy machete. That's the situation in which medieval gear would be handy, and a nice chain shirt would go a long way. But in practice, if you're going for edged weapons, especially big ones, you might as well go all the way and bring a gun.

Short of going lethal, I think the ancap in >>52023135
actually has a pretty good loadout. Thick jackets and sweaters for parring, a helmet with eye protection and a noxious chemical mask for pepper spray. Now, pepper spray is a good weapon in this context since it's readily available and not restricted pretty much anywhere except airplanes. I'd keep a can of it on hand, I reckon, because it's also light. But I like the idea of having a good strong beatstick as well. Beatstick and shield is in fact a pretty nice setup for using HEMA proficiencies effectively, and it allows you to both beat with your stick and the shield gives you an advantage over other people with sticks. And people with pepper spray should be blocked by your "armor". People with guns and swords are going to fuck you, perhaps, but if you can get a bullet proof vest you can still wear that under the padding, and honestly any time in life you're fighting someone with a gun, you've fucked up pretty badly anyway.

>>52023657
>you're
I imagine that was in the general sense.

Slacks are a kind of flimsy fabric for combat. Doesn't do any good if your nice looking uniform gets torn up in the first engagement.

>>52023399
In modern spain half of them would be wearing the guy fawkes mask.

>>52023731
>for combat
>engagement
Look laddo I don't see any "combat" occurring, just a brawl.

>>52023135
>The fucking stick breaks on the dude's head
Holy fuck dude, either they make those things out of balsa wood or that guy's gonna be feeling this later.

>>52023736
Change "combat" for "scrapping" and "engagement" for "brawl" then, if you get triggered by the use of formal words to describe a fight that doesn't meet your standards.

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>>52023316
I wonder if there's money to be made selling HEMA expertise to rioting Americans, none of these people have any idea what they're doing.

>>52023752
He stumbles backwards, falls on his ass and doesn't get up again, I think it's a level 2 wound.

>>52023756
Just keep the people in slacks in formation anon. Shieldwalls.

>>52023752
Considering this is California, I'm guessing it's pine. The guy will be feeling it, but pine can break pretty easily from that kind of force.

>>52023765
>Texan flag
Of course. Of course! Why was there a question in my mind, of course it was a Texan.

>>52023768
Honestly an antifa shieldwall would probably be a lot more effective than the shit they actually do in a riot, so that's a good idea. First rank with shields and clubs (if we accept that edged weapons aren't allowed to avoid confrontation with the police) and then what goes in the second rank? Longer clubs? Pepper spray? Either one seems difficult to employ without putting the people in front of you in danger.

>>52023794
Well this isn't in Texas so it's not like it would be obvious what non-Cali ethnicities the people might be.

>>52023797
People with pine sticks to jab instead of clubbing.

>>52023797
I just realized what this is: It's the fucking Venetian bridge wars. We should look to how they did it.

>>52023765
>there's a wall to separate the (social) media reporters from the combatants
A surprisingly civil riot.

>look at the comments on the youtube video
Fuck's sake, why did I even

It wasn't an all-out war, just a series of fights.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0QngkYj4Rg

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>>52023034
>Song of Swords KS finally happens
>America is turning into Dace

PLanning on running a game soon (probably an investigative historical game, players are crusaders moving into a newly captured town on the front, but kebab left a squad of hashashin behind, blending into the villagers and being a Problem)

So I'm doing a multi-combatant fight to see how the rules work there, and I've got several questions.

How do you determine who goes first when multiple characters have initiative? Like I've got A and B vs 1 and 2. 2 flipped red and targeted A, 1 flipped yellow and targeted A, A flipped yellow and auto-targeted 2, B flipped blue and targeted 2.

In that case it's simpler; do the players of allied characters decide who declares first? What if two opposing characters have initiative? Is there a meta-initiative number I'm missing?

Also, do you declare defenses immediately upon being targeted or do you have to wait?

I was planning on trying out the highly spicy and highly authentic Norse tactic of yanking a guy's shield away with a bearded axe so your friend can knock his head off. Would this work:

>Guy 1 declares overhead swing, all dice
>defender declares block, all dice
>Guy 2 declares hook shield, all dice
>defender shits himself
>attacks resolve in reverse order, no dice left vs hook, no shield to resolve block vs swing

Or would he declare his defenses after all initiative characters have, and get to figure out a way to sort his dice.

I mean, it's a pretty ugly situation either way, but one is almost guaranteed death while the other gives him a chance.

How does that situation play out?

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>>52021521
>Danny no!

How would you stat a spangenhelm with the cheek flaps?

>>52023477
Legally owned semi auto rifles for self defense only

>>52023477

LA Riot Asians strat: Get together with rest of community and sit on roofs with rifles, make sure sewer people of all affiliations stick to trashing their own neighborhoods.

>>52024558
>>52024504
You guys are boring, I'd bring javelins.

>>52023765
What the fuck is that guy on the right even doing

>>52024631
Oh the shaved head guy? Stick dude whacked him on the head like a second before the picture was taken. He was on a bit of a rampage.

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>>52023953
I'm seeing R/Y/Y/B, so init order is 2, A, 1, B. Actions are declared in reverse ADR if I remember correctly, but resolve at 2>A>1>B.

>Also, do you declare defenses immediately upon being targeted or do you have to wait?
See the Quick Defense manuever. You'd have to wait. You can declare a defense without a target and then an attack that was declared later to defend against I think.

From your greentext situation, 2 would resolve his hook before the attack and defense of 1. However, I believe the defender would have half his CP invested in the block returned to him because his manuever was cancelled. I'm still not sure why the dice are returned, maybe it's to prevent the feelbads.
>>52024188
Why would I?

>>52024644
Kek
I thought he was doing some sort of pose, it looks like he's slicking back his hair or something
>DAYUM I LOOKIN FINE

>a bit of a rampage
Stick guy looks legit, honestly.
>Sir Stick has triggered Rage:Self
>Sir Stick has triggered Awesome Power:Self
>Sir Stick has triggered Berserk:Self
>Sir Stick has triggered Sword of God:Weapon
>Sir Stick has triggered Yata no Kagami; Shield
>Sir Stick has triggered Ares' Blessing: Self

>>52024660
Why does A go before 1?

>>52024660

Okay, why does A resolve before 1 in this? Because he auto-targeted via R/Y before 1 could target?

That still works for that kind of shenanigans though. Refunding dice is probably to prevent the feelbads.

Now, given that A has already declared his defenses when 1 declares his attack, is he forced to quick defend with whatever he has left?

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>>52024698
He technically shouldn't, but I assumed that A was a PC and thus probably won the Cautious/Cautious initiative roll.

>>52024742
Let's go with yes as to why A resolves before 1.
>Now, given that A has already declared his defenses when 1 declares his attack, is he forced to quick defend with whatever he has left?
Yeah, and he's probably fucked.

>>52024789

Okay, I think I get it. You can have initiative on an opponent you're not targeting if he's targeting you, I guess?

>>52024937

Had more to say: I guess in that case if he knows an opponent targeting him is going to move after he's probably not gonna blow all his dice beforehand, though he's still pretty fucked splitting his dice like that.

Don't get double-teamed is the moral

>>52021081
We had some prototype rules for PaleoElves? What are they like? I literally know nothing about them. I have started visiting /sos/ regularly at around the end of 2015 I think. When the Ballad Tournament was held, around that time.

>>52020857
Aww, yess.

We should add Angels as a playable species.

>>52025426
>angel
100d6 fire damage aura expanding 200 miles
500d8+247 INT mod gravity damage

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>>52025468
Not all angels are seraphim

>>52025426
How do you stat the sun?

>>52025488
TYPE-SOL or some shit I dunno lmao ask Nasu
And I mean 3.5e gave stats to a motherfucking quasar

>>52025477
But all angels burn with the light of His glory.

>>52025513
He is just a fucking punk

>>52021521
Is it me or did they forget to add their base weapon damage a bunch?

>>52025513
Gabriel talked to people without exploding them checkmate Christian

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>>52021521
>adding armor and shield and toughness
>AND the padding underneath
>all these rules errors

I want to write an autistic email to them and say what they did wrong, but the pain is already being projected into my ears. I just hope they end up having fun.

>>52021521
Why did you post this on the Kickstarter when it makes the game look like this?

>>52025534
Yea, everyone's just scared shitless when he appears before them

>>52026144
Mary wasn't that scared desu

>>52026160
A bit scared still though.

>>52026203
Mary was scared that God was breaking up with her. She's a slut.

>>52014919
To be honest, I'd really love if the two black and white rulebooks could be changed to hardcover magic compendium and the hunter's handbook for the gamemaster tier.

Because really, I can show the players the pdf if need be, but real physical books of all the things in my possession would be sweet. I probably won't ever be getting them physically otherwise, because the cost of hauling them here from US triples the cost.

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>>52026215
She's pure! PURE!

>>52026298
>history's first interracial cuckolding porn
When Joseph and Mary decided it was time for a child, they knew YHVH, the big man upstairs, would be the father.

Using CotV for S.T.A.L.K.E.R., good idea or bad idea? And has someone already statted out modern-ish weaponary that could be used for that?

>>52026278
true, that would be a very nice option to have

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>>52026298
>>52026315
it's funny because Christianity was the religion of the indigent poor, slaves, foreigners and women at first.

>>52026509
How exactly did the Never Ever face morph into just a generic laughing macro?

>>52026523
newfags

>>52026523
I mean look it at, it's a shit eating grin second only to the original coolface and smuganimegirl.png

>>52026160
Because the angel said not to be.

>>52027708
>Shoggoth: fEaR NOt!
>Will: oh okay

>>52023477
Just going by what I've got at the house? Softball helmet with cage visor, safety goggles, flu mask under a double-layered bandana, butted mail coif, thick hoodie or fleece lined denim jacket, leather lamellar vest with upper arm protection, leather lamellar vambraces, sweatpants or athletic pants, kneepads, thick leather greaves, steel-toed boots, maglight, shillelagh, 2xquarterstaff, firepoker, various other club-like objects, and Boosh-my favorite shield (3/4" plywood, big enough to cover me from lower head to ankle if my knees are slighlty bent, and give cover to a spearman to my left).

tl;dr, I'll be protected and might be able to arm a squad.

>>52023598
Go with fiberglass instead, a solid metal rod will have a shitty Thrust TN (a hollow aluminum one might not but you might have bending issues).

>>52023472
Some sand paper holders work really well.

>>52027891
I have Proficiency with a spear though
Also you taking it too seriously m8, if we're being real I'd just pull strings, blow some pocket money, or suck some dick to get the cops on our side because everyone knows we're all little anime girls

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>>52027891
The aluminum axe bat is your friend here. Also, don't go to rallies because they don't matter.

>>52023477
If going maximum riot mode: My messer, my dussack, a thick leather jacket, hoodie, respirator, leather gloves, thick jeans.
I'll also call my friend to bring 2 crossbows, two helmets, one rifle, one air rifle, about 3 longsword, an battleaxe, a bronze cannon and his van.
Also, together we'll make some napalm and molotovs.

>>52028968
>a bronze cannon and his van.
>mount the cannon in the van
>do a small-scale equivalent of coastal bombardment from the roads

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Here's the latest update on the log projection by the way, but I think that the kicktraq projection is probably a better prediction at this point.

SUCCUBI WHEN

>>52029119
Now we're talking.

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>>52025426
Most of the setting already worships angels.

>>52026484
It'd work great, you would have to stat out the stuff yourself though.

>>52025426
They already are, Paladins. Closest thin Genosus has to angels.

>>52026484
Toss out requests for guns, I'll stat them out for you.

>>52031499
>>52030939
No u, I want muh qt winged waifus

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>>52031538
>not being satisfied with 4 different flavors of elven waifu

Well, aren't you an entitled little shit.

>>52031565
But these elves can't end the world :(

>>52025344
There are no rules for PaleoElves they are just a monster like existence that can only be killed in a specific manner and they don't know how to themselves. When they do die they spawn a race like themselves

>>52031586
>But these elves can't end the world :(

"Hold my beer"
- The Entire Burdinadin race

>>52031522
Oh cool. Thank you.
Let's see
Walther P99, Beretta 92F, Fort-12, Colt M1911 and Makarov for pistols
The TOZ-34
H&K MP5
The AK-74, of course, the AN-94, the Z&M LR300
And the SVD
I think that should be enough to get a little game going. Oh I guess a few bullets need to be statted too.
9x18, 9x39, .45, 5.45 and 5.56 seem to be the ones not in the ballad PDF.

I know not much about guns, sadly, so I pulled the stuff from the STALKER wiki. Which thankfully lists the real-life equivalent of in game guns.

>>52031885
Alright, gimme a few.

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>>52031885
Alright, here we go. Hopefully 4chan doesn't mangle the formatting. I actually had most of these made already due to a side-project of mine.

Beretta 92FS 15m|7|6D/2AP 9x19mm|15+1(Box)|1RoF|Conceal[2], Reliable|0.5WT
Walther P99 15m|7|6D/2AP 9x19mm|15+1(Box)|1RoF|Conceal[2], Reliable|0.5WT
Colt 1911 15m|7|7D/1AP .45ACP |7+1(Box)|1RoF|Conceal[2], Reliable|0.5WT
Makarov 15m|6|6D/1AP 9x18mm|12+1(Box)|1RoF|Conceal[3], Reliable|0.5WT
Fort-12 15m|6|6D/1AP 9x18mm|12+1(Box)|1RoF|Conceal[2], Reliable|0.5WT

TOZ-34 20m|6|12D/2AP 12-G|2(Int)|1RoF|[2] Barrels|3.5WT

HK MP5 50m|6|6D/2AP 9x19mm|30+1(Box)|25RoF|Reliable|3WT
HK MP5/10 50m|6|6D/3AP 10mm|30+1(Box)|25RoF|Reliable|3WT

AKM 100m|7|7D/10AP 7.62mm|30+1(Box)|20RoF|Reliable|3.5WT
AK74 125m|7|6D/10AP 5.45mm|30+1(Box)|20RoF|Reliable|3.5WT
VSS 75m|7|6D/4AP 9x39mm|20+1(Box)|20RoF|Silenced|3WT
AN94 125m|7|6D/10AP 5.45mm|30+1(Box)|20RoF|Only uses 2 Rounds (and can only score two hits) when Burst firing, but increases MP by +5 instead of +4 when Burst Firing|3.5WT
Z&M LR300 150m|7|6D/10AP 5.56mm|30+1(Box)|30RoF|Reliable|3.5WT
SVD 200m|8|8D/14AP 7.62x54mmR|10+1(Box)|1RoF|Longshot, Reliable|4.5WT

>>52032256
sweet, thank you very much dude.

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>>52032256
Why generate specific weapons when instead

You could generate random weapons!!

Dozens of weapons! Hundreds of dozens! Shoot bangs, boomsticks, dakka dakkas, baby killers, chink crunchers, gook gassers, Nazi that comings, Rhodesian rifles, Elbownian machienguns, pistols and handguns and revolvers! Triple action revolvers!

Risky Keegan has what you don't need, but now want!

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>>52032333
Hey, someone shilling for me.

Here's the PDF is anyone is interested.

>>52032403
Why wasn't I aware of that one?
Would you mind if I put that in the MEGA?

>>52032530
Knock yourself out. It's a little outdated, but GMs can easily fix any results.

>>52032530
This is the automatic version
http://www.mediafire.com/file/gc6s8nrp96b7bv5/Ballad_of_the_Laser_Whales_automatic_gun_generator_Export_version_v3_5-6-2016.xlsm

Something to remember when discussing hypothetical arms during civilian violence or unrest situations: being obviously armed or armored makes you a target.
Maybe it's people who want what you have, maybe it's a sniper with questionably nonlethal ammo trying to pick priorities, maybe its a cop squad who have gone full pacify mode and cross your path in the street,
but looking like anything but a pedestrian is how you get picked out of a crowd.

If you're going to try to go full fucking street samurai, don't do it alone, or at least not in the open.

I've had to talk some players of mine through this before during a capes game.

>>52033951
>/sos/
>civil unrest edition
I love these threads. I like how nobody is even addressing the politics, just the potential for violence.

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>>52034146

Updated tourney rules: http://pastebin.com/duErTJ2L (paste2 shit out)

This is important question.

The most important question taking in the consideration that we are on this website.

What is the powerlevel ranking of everything in Vosca?

>>52035412
In accordance with what?

>>52035501
Magical powers, Abilities, CP amount.

Is a pureblooded warrior race like ohanedin able to create super ohanedin?

Super Ohanedin God Super Ohanedin Rosè when?

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>>52023034
>Ancap

>>52035594
I mean "power level" by what metric, I feel like I'm missing the reference. The last time I heard someone use "power level" seriously was in Dragonball Z ten years ago.

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>>52036037

>>52036195
Needs "thus violating the NAP" before murdering all of their children.

>>52036195
>doesn't even mention the NAP

Sad!

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>>52036195
At least it wasn't Comic Sans.

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>>52036322
berfect

>>52036195
>fucking with an elf
This was your first mistake.

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post vintage memes

>>52036046
Exactly what I'm referencing. Shonen style power levels.

>>52036037
It's a good anime, but the novel is so fucking dense.

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>>52036614

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>>52037255

>>52035049
Alright, I might make something up for this.

>>52035049
your examples for the boons and banes got rekt

>>52037387
That it did, and paste2 is back up, so I'll rehost will that fixed. https://paste2.org/726NFf2z

I'm going to aim to host this this coming Thursday and Friday, so rev up those characters, because the ground sure is thirsty.

>>52037441
Thanks hakster.

What was your decision on using customization to add new qualities? Can I add draw to a sword that doesn't have it?

>>52036195
>marries a chump
>chump gets killed (who would fucking guess)
>gets on eternal murderspree
Why are elf girls so stupid?

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>>52037535
I'll allow it. It's an annoying meta of everything having draw+tight grip 1, but it really isn't some massive game breaker.

I've been thinking about an optional rule to introduce glancing blows and some other mechanics. Basic idea is attacks like cuts and thrusts has threshold value of required success to connect fully with the target. RS is a sum of RS from weapon (flails and such weapons have RS 2-3, others have 0-1) and RS from investment (1 RS per 4 dice spent on attack). If the attack hits but doesn't reach RS threshold, damage is reduced by the difference between RS and number of successes.

What do you guys think about it?

>>52037824
>adding more complicated math to a mechanic already covered in the abstract by swing TN

>>52037539
love can turn us all into gibbering retards

>>52037845
Glancing hits are not covered by TNs. If you hit, you hit with the full force.

>>52037824
All you motherfuckers complaining about this need to stop playing past 6 STR. Once you cross that, it all breaks down. Just keep your stats realistic, and the game works fine.

>>52037889
>Just keep your stats realistic, and the game works fine.
We shouldn't engage in Pathfinder fallacies. Even if you keep it that way, the problem won't go anywhere. It will rise again in heroic games with monsters, dragons and such.

>>52037882
Keep in mind, you moron, that damage is reduced by toughness and armor

so you hit, and then do no damage because you don't have enough BS

that's a glancing hit.

And yes, some hits will do enough damage to wound with even 1 BS. You're gonna try to bitch about this because you're a fuckwit, but if some whacked out musclebound cunt is full on fucking swinging a goddamn halberd into your face with enough motherfucking force to split a tree that shit never gonna just "glance"

>>52037935
>so you hit, and then do no damage because you don't have enough BS
It's a completely different thing. Learn to read.
>And yes, some hits will do enough damage to wound with even 1 BS.
Nope, some will straight up vaporize elephants with even 1 BS.

>>52037958
>Nope, some will straight up vaporize elephants with even 1 BS

That's true. And you want those elephant-vaporizinly powerful blows to what, glance off your perfectly angled cheekbones? Go fuck yourself with a military fork.

>>52037932
If you're playing a heroic game, TOU and AVs should scale enough with STR that it isn't a problem. When fuckers complain about unrealistic results, 99% of the time it's because they're using unrealistic stats.

>>52037441
I'm assuming we can't make cloth or leather items out of Orichalcum or Silversteel .

>>52037983
>And you want those elephant-vaporizinly powerful blows to what, glance off your perfectly angled cheekbones?
I want them to not exist at 8 STR. Unless you are playing Hercules himself, you shouldn't be able to do it.

>>52038023
Do you know of any 1500s metal smiths capable of weaving steel into cloth in a way that isnt maille?

>>52038032
8 STR is way past any realistic level. The most that should ever come up in average play is 6. 8 is the fucking Mountain tier. If 8STR comes up anytime other than "Holy shit this is guy could bench press the whole party", you are doing it wrong, and should neck yourself. I'm so fucking tired of you faggots complaining about this.

>>52038016
>TOU and AVs should scale enough with STR that it isn't a problem
Have you ever considered playing a campaign outside Vosca and settings with bulletproof plate armor equivalents? Have you considered playing a campaign instead of murderhobo fecht at all?

>>52038032
well that's a fucking different problem entirely and your retarded and over complicated clusterfuck of a rule is an even worse way to deal with it than strength caps

>>52038061
>8 STR is way past any realistic level
8 STR is extremely rare but real thing, something that dedicated talents can achieve. Where are examples of cut in twain elephants in our world?

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>>52038064
Are you retarded? I'm saying in normal campaign play, at 22 or 26 PCP (if your players aren't minmaxing fucks), this isn't a problem because retards aren't running around 8 in every stat. You seem have gotten the exact opposite of my intention.
>>52038091
We don't have a stat-block for elephants, so quit using that as if it were a meaningful example, and if they did, they'd use something like Ballad's monster rules were TOU is a threshold, where you have to pass multiples of it for each level of wound.

>>52038075
That's the same problem. You could've pointed out some flaws with the rule like a lucky 1CP punch always dealing full damage while unlucky strong attack deals less. Instead you bitch about strength caps. Take your pills and learn to read.

>>52038091
Just how stupid can you be? I'm frankly surprised you can even work a goddamn keyboard. An elephant would have much more toughness than a humanoid, and you can't apply the same wound tables to them anyway.

Wait until monster rules before you start spewing your misguided and half-baked drivel.

>>52038039
Hey, we're exposing flaws in the system, right? RAW nothing stops me from making an Orichalcum Heavy Quilted Coat.

Besides, there's always Sorcerous Fuckery about, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloth_of_gold.

Also, Haki, your rules for Boons really give no incentive to take anything between 1 PCP and 5 PCP

>>52038120
Are you stupid or can't read? I said this problem is inherent and exists whenever you go outside your Orichalcum plate armor shop and 26 PCP. SoS is more lethal than real life.

>>52038064
>the setting doesn't have strong armor but it has superhuman fighters
Then, isn't it fine that really strong people can punch through armor?

>>52038173
I didn't said that

>>52038146
I'm frankly wouldn't be surprised if you are just sitting at the keyboard all day, happy to jump at the first opportunity to relieve your frustration at life.

>>52038183
Then how are you getting STR high enough to outbalance TOU?

>>52038157
>Hey, we're exposing flaws in the system, right?
No, we're not. We're running a tourney to have fun fechts. Any bullshit built on "muh RAW" will be shut down. Anyway, yeah, you're right about the Banes thing. We'll word it this way. You can only take -20 Bane points total, including those for negative bane scores. 1 PCP in BB lets you get 5 Boon points if you max out, 2 PCP 10, 3 15, etc. That should work.

>>52038202
Make TOU a fixed stat with additional levels bought as a boon like CoTV does or rework damage formula.

>>52038227
>a fixed stat with additional levels bought as a boon
This is a fucking disgusting take to a core stat.

Ok hold the actual factual fuck up.

Strength 8 with a dane axe and 1 bs means you're doing 13 damage

An elephant is gonna be stronger, tougher, and have more health than even the strongest possible human (strength 10) so a conservative guess is 11 toughness

So 1BS elephant-vaporizing guy, please kindly go drink a tall glass of bleach.

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>>52038170
>SoS is more lethal than real life.
When you stray outside the norms of real life. When you stay within the realm of normal people (4-6 Attributes, <25 CP), things are fine. When you start going into heroic territory, you get heroic results, men cleaving through plate armor, shit like that.

>>52038210
Good, good, good.

>>52038195
Nice, yes just attack me personally instead of trying to defend your moronic notion that an elephant is somehow as weak as a regular ass dude walking around.

>>52038264
>Nice, yes just attack me personally
The pot calling the kettle black. If you want to whine find some other place.

>>52038241
>a dude at the peak of human strength shouldn't be able to kill an elephant in one hit with a fucking huge axe

>>52038251
>When you stray outside the norms of real life.
22 and 26PCP are still within the norm according to you

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>>52038280
>1BS is a solid hit

Jesus christ we've wrapped around to the beginning
we've formed the retard ouroboros
kill me

>>52038280
He could feasibly do it with a good hit

but not a 1 BS hit

idiot.

>>52038313
>solid hit
Who said that?

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>>52038305
They are. 8STR is not.

>>52037255
>Roman
>wearing 4-in-1 European weave
Get some fucking Hamata.

>>52038383
I got the picture from a show, can you enumerate on how the roman armor was different? It'll definitely be more interesting than the ongoing shitflinging

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>>52036322
>>52036195
>If Nyatlanta was a finnish "woman"

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>>52038420
"[Hamata] comprised alternating rows of closed washer-like rings punched from iron sheets and rows of riveted rings made from drawn wire that ran horizontally."

>>52038514
>punched from iron sheets
oh damn, that's cool. Was that a way to make it easier to mass produce, I assume?

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>>52038514
>rings punched from iron sheets

>>52037855
Does she remember his name anymore?

>>52038210
Hey, while you're around, mind giving my tournament entrant a quick look-see?

https://paste2.org/JswEVkk2

>>52038776
I think Jimmy's said that she doesn't even remember what he LOOKED LIKE anymore.

>>52037935
Whoa there guy, there's no need to be hostile to someone coming up with houserules.

>>52038264
>Nice, yes just attack me personally
Anon, you're projecting.

>>52038146
>Just how stupid can you be? I'm frankly surprised you can even work a goddamn keyboard.

>Closing Void may be performed without an attack targeting you, but only once per action.
That's not much of a "but."

>>52037539
Go gorilla mindset yourself into a noose, faggot.

>>52040158
Go eat your grandma, gorilla elf

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>>52038794

>tabarzin

dropped

So at first I thought I understood simultaneous but now I don't anymore.

I assumed that you have simultaneous attack/parry to attack and parry with the same weapon in one action because you can only use a weapon once for one action.

But then what's simultaneous attack/block?

Are you only allowed one major maneuver like that per round? What's teh difference between declaring an attack and a block and using simultaneous attack/block?

Or attack/parry vs simultaneous?

The armor in this game needs to be better. All these flimsy shit weapons are doing way too much damage.

>>52040225
You can't declare an attack then a parry in the same action nor a block and a parry in the same action. This is the normal state of affairs.

You can declare a quick defence at +1 TN at any time but you can't declare an attack after your first declared manuvere.

If you want to do both without penalty then you need to preform a simultaneous manuvere.

>>52040581
And what flimsy shit weapons are those?

>>52040584
>You can declare a quick defence at +1 TN at any time
Quick defense doesn't have +1 TN

>>52040590
All these fucking swords.

>>52040598
'kay. And what armors?

>>52040595
They don't?

Did they ever?

>>52040720
Armors that shouldn't be possible to cut through with a sword.

>>52040727
They did once, they don't now.

>>52040748
You're not being very specific broski. If you're going to complain try putting effort into your post, maybe then someone will listen.

Who was the diogenes of Vosca?

>>52041020
Who? I don't know.
What? Extremely lucky to ask for sunlight from Alexander the Great, because Genosus is in charge now.

>>52036195
Someone get me this but with Eskarne's face.

>>52041020
Jimmy. He lives in the barrel and masturbates in public.

>>52036322
so is her deal that she is trying to exterminate all of Dace or some other mercenary nation?

>>52041140
It would be fun to see her against Gizka and that Cannibal de Sad

>>52040748
Armor pretty much much is impossible to cut through with a sword. It takes like six bonus successes to damage someone in plate with a longsword cut if both have average stats. Most swords will just never hurt you unless it's a gigantic two handed sword wielded by an Olympian with seven or eight strength. And if that's too much for you, use the op
tional rule that turns cutting damage against hard armor into blunt.

>>52041146
rip gizka

>>52041140
Probably not, back when this happened the Dacians were all working in coal mines. Their slavery probably saved them from being involved with her. Everyone she kills in the website story seems to be a pasta-eater. It was probably the not!genoese.

>>52041271
>Implying this wouldn't end in a mongoose/lioness sex party

That poor elf wouldn't stand a chance.

>>52041403
>Implying that either Gizka or Eskarne would have sex ever.

>>52041140
Nope, just the people related to the original seven or so men who killed her husband via backstabbing and trickery. I imagine she wouldn't have minded so much if it was an honest duel

Is there anywhere where all the lore dumps and general setting information is kept? The wiki seems woefully incomplete.

>>52038794
Looks good m8.

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A liuyedao as requested by a certain Sir of Laughs.

>>52042128
And now that I look at it I realize the handle is a tad bit too curved, oh well, such is life in the zone.

>>52042128
>>52042140
Also the balde and hilt could a bit narrower, dangit.

>>52042128
>>52042140
>>52042238
they are good sabers, Brett.

>>52042296
This reminded me, is there something like a big red dog in Vosca? A giant dog or other animal.

>>52042970
Dobarcuu.

>>52041265
Ties go to the defender in damage calc, right? So it should be seven successes to cut through plate for any sword short of a grutte zwei or a godenak; five for mail, and four for lamellar/brigandine.

Anytime you get these kinds of successes is a rare and extraordinary circumstance to ultimately inflict a minor flesh wound.

It helps to remember that AV also represents coverage as well as stopping power, and as a gm you use this to your advantage when describing wounds. A cut to the chest through plate may have gone through the mail voiders at the armpit, to the leg could be the gap at the back of the leg, etc.

>>52043594
Bare in mind power attacking for one or two extra damage is more efficient if you think you're going to hit.

>>52014919
New thread

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>>52041140
No, she fights the people related to the one guy. It happened a long time ago, incidentally, so most of the people involved have no idea they're related.