>the crown prince very strongly insists on marrying a maid

Make a case for making her the head concubine, instead.

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>my off-topic thread has been deleted
>make the same thread, but a bit more traditional games related this time
Well, let's see how this turns out.

>>51995955
He can have her as a courtisane, but has to marry for his kingdom.

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If we're going by IRL, make him abdicate and have the next in line take over instead.

>>51995955
A specific maid, or can it be any maid?

I have a crown maid headdress that can be a hand-me-down from the queen if he wants it on his noble wife.

>>51995955
>the crown prince very strongly insists on XYZ
You do XYZ
What's the problem here?

>>51996013
>Be king
>Marry some slut who has already been married before
It's a surprise the English monarchy survived this shit.

>>51995955
You know he can just take the maid as his mistress, right? It's a royal court, even the mistresses have mistresses.

>>51996019
>or can it be any maid?
In that case, why not look for a princess who enjoys cosplay?

>>51995955
In the setting I'm currently playing in, the castle's maids are trained Soulknives outfitted with glamoured mithril full plate armor. The prince would probably be a hell of a lot safer marrying a maid than the neighboring kingdom's princess.

>>51995955
Who am I playing? What do I want out of this situation? That changes everything.

Also, are we sure he means a serving-maid and not just a virgin?

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>>51995955

>Not. Bloody. Happening.

>>51995986
>>51995997
He's in love with her though.

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>>51996013
That's from a very recent time, when the British monarchy was toothless and couldn't even exercise the only authority it still nominally had, the authority over the Church of England. The Church of England was created in the first place because a king wanted a divorce, but in the intervening centuries it was taken over by stuffy moral busybodies who presumed to tell their own king where he could and could not insert his royal cock.

So I guess the take-away is that there are lots of different kinds of monarchies and lots of different cultural norms surrounding marriage, so the situation OP put forth is so vague as to be meaningless.

>>51996368
Who are you to talk? You're a hypocrite who broke your no-good son out of Azkaban.

>>51995955
Royal Marriages are 95% political and rarely are done for love, hence a good reason why the prince should be made aware that marrying a maid will have some dire consequences for him, his family, his people and the country.

Sure, it's understandable that the prince is in love with a girl, but duty to the people and the country comes first. Make the maid his concubine instead (probably the princess also have a lover), and then observe her and her bastard child as well as everyone from this bloodline. In case of sudden wipe-out of the royal family the bastard can be taken in as the new king if there are no other successors.

Heroic Fantasy:
Find a way to make the maid into a suitable bride, such as helping her earn a noble title for slaying a dragon.

Serious Game:
Slap the Prince in the face and tell that little shit he will marry who we tell him, or else his younger brother will suddenly be an only child.

Intrigue Game:
Convince the Prince that the only way he can have his happy life with the maid is if he abdicated the throne in favor of me, his trusted vizier...

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>>51996437
>Find a way to make the maid into a suitable bride, such as helping her earn a noble title for slaying a dragon.

Have you ever seen a maid who WASN'T also a ninja?

>>51995955

I begin the quest of course. Our goal is to make a queen out of this maid.

I may begin with a training montage and breaking into song

You're the saddest lass ever met -
But you can bet before we're through -
Misses, I'll make a queen out of you

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>not marrying the person you love

>>51995955
Gently explain to him how all monarchs have mistresses, and he to can suck it up and have a politically important, and loveless, marriage for the good of the kingdom.

>>51996492
>Marrying the person you love as a noble
Sure, marry away. But first abandon your wealth, relinquish your title and your rights to the throne. If you want to live like a peasant, you can, but you're no longer my son.

>>51996516
>letting that get in the way
You don't really love her then, you pussy.

>>51996524
>I can abandon it all for my love!
Five days later.
>Not having any servants to do things for me sucks.
>I've never worked in a field in my life. My hands hurt.
>I can't eat this, where are my pickled boars?
>You're supposed to shit in THAT?

>>51996565
Not everybody's a sissy noble like you.

>>51995955
I would get him to marry the other maid.

>>51996567
If you're abandoning your duty to your country and your family because of your fee-fees, you're a sissy noble by definition, and your father failed at raising you properly.

>>51996579
>he'll say anything to justify not having the balls to marry his one true love

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>>51996492
>Marry the person you love
>50% divorce rates

>Marry the person your parents selected for you
>Divorce rates are significantly lower and reported happiness significantly higher

Really activates your almonds.

>>51996584
>muh love

>>51996600
I'm only saying it because it's an anonymous board, but my mother was always right about my girlfriends. Maybe I should actually follow her advice and get hooked up with that nice girl she knows.

Check to see if the prince is under any charm spells
If not let him do whatever

>>51996392
What the fuck does marriage have to do with love in this era? It's politics.

The idea of actually marrying someone you give a damn about aside from breeding with and acquiring stuff is relatively recent.

>>51996392
And marriage equates to true love? An illusion of modern times. A fantasy setting medieval in any degree will show marriage being all about property and title. A prince marrying royalty and liking a consort better wouldn't even register as hypocritical.

>>51996659
>The idea of actually marrying someone you give a damn about aside from breeding with and acquiring stuff is relatively recent.
No it's not.

>>51996600
It's almost like the cultures in which arranged marriages exist are vastly different from the "Hitch 'em and ditch 'em" attitude of the western world

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>the crown prince very strongly insists on dressing like a maid

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>>51996674
>The crown prince "dies"
>His younger brother becomes the new crown prince
>He also suddenly has a maid who looks enough like him to be his sister and who's incredibly loyal and who may or may not be running a spy ring in the capital to take out foreign assassins

>>51996665
Love has always been a marriage thing, it's just that nobles oftentimes didn't marry out of love. A lot of historical shit was stirred because someone couldn't marry the woman they actually liked.

>>51996699
Marriage has always been a love thing* is what I meant to say.

>>51996600
Well, mister triple dubs, i have heard that in medeival times marriage was almost never done for love, but often people would fall in love after being married.

>>51995955
let him, we can marry for love can we not

>>51995955

I can't really think of any reason I should care. Unless I have a deep personal relationship with one of these characters or the GM makes the (dis) advantages of one or more outcomes clear. Either way though this has a pretty major risk of turning into a game mostly just about the NPCs, something I as a player hate.

I make my disinterest clear and go about looking for something actually worth my and the party's time. If the other players are totally on board with this nonsense, then I go along with it and let them handle most of it while I focus on any actually interesting plot points which show up.

If no one cares but the GM is still forcing this then I just directly ask him why in a game ostensibly about heroism and adventure he's bogging everything down with this waifu garbage.

>>51995955
A) Intimidate/persuade/mind control the Prince to marry for his kingdom and have the maid as a mistress. The one he marries could even be in on it.
B) Let him marry who he wants and help him fight off dissenters. Clearly illustrate why the maid is worthy of marrying him and/or make a public example of punishing a dissenter.

>The crown prince very strongly insists on marrying a maid
>It's fine because she'll pass on a good class and incredibly high Resistance growth

Checkmate, BBEG

>>51996600
It's almost as though cultures with arranged marriage also heavily stigmatize divorce and pressure women into pretending to be happier than they really are.

>>51995955
Why the fuck does it matter?

The number of monarchies throughout all of history that didn't give a shit about who the crowned children could marry or it was a mere faux pas rather then a taboo or even legal requirment far, far exceeds those that did.

Let him marry whichever maid will fill him with happiness.
Once he's crowned king she'll become the queen, or the queen consort, or the princess consort, or even just the wife of the king.
She's doing pretty sweet for a maid and you dodge all the stupid soap-opera bullshit and especially avoid all the murder-hobo players hamfistedly trying to write the script.

>>51995955
Does he love the maid, or is it just his fetish? Who am I to stand in the way of true love?

>>51995955
Get him to renounce the throne and make his younger brother the heir. We'll see if his love for sexy maids is true then.

>>51995955
A maid for a crown prince would most likely be of noble heritage anyway. Otherwise, treat it like you were offering a knight the hand of the princess in marriage and imprison the crown prince while directing the maid to pass a trial of her maid-en virtue to win his hand.

>>51996579
If your father dropped you like a bad egg because you made doe eyes at the scullery maid, then he stands to lose any faith the nobles had in him and with it, any potential support.

Also, the now destitute prince is STILL part of the royal family along with everything that entitles.
He still has a claim to the throne, any children he fathers have a right to the throne and being cut-off from the safety of the kingdom means he could be kidnapped and exploited easily by outside powers.

A king that refuses to pay ransom on his son looks like a weak king and he might as well scream to the world that the kingdom is bankrupt.

>>51996659
Do you know how many centuries old Romeo and Juliet is?

Seriously?

>>51997870
You mean the story where they both die because of it?

>>51996809
Which is bullshit.
Most marriages throughout history have been specifically because of love.
You only hear about exceptions to the rule because they were just that. EXCEPTIONS.

>>51996392
I don't follow.

>>51997909
You marry the person you love, dummy. Haven't your parents ever told you this?

>>51997900
To be fair, it took a LOT of bullshit to happen for them to die. They were pretty much the opposite of plot armored protagonists.

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>>51996475
Combat maids and butlers was such a retarded addition to Fire Emblem, but damn if the uniforms weren't cute.

>>51997900
So you missed the part where two people who fell in love and planned to marry because of it?

I guess you could have missed it, not like it was integral to the story or anything.

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>>51995955
Same thing that Tywin did with Tyrion and Tasha.

>>51997947
Did they marry? No, they died.

>>51997989
Cuck Tyrion, get shot?

>>51997999
Well, not shot right away but yeah I guess.

>>51996392
In monarchal politics, it was not uncommon for the king to make his true love his concubine, and marry someone he barely knew for an alliance of convenience. I think it's even the last line of Dune.

>“Think on it, Chani: the princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine - never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine - history will call us wives.”

>Marrying your cousin and giving your children gimped inbred stat growths, terrible reclass options and whatever shitty skill your invariably level 1 cousin-wife has in her last slot

The King is in league with the Evil Dragon

>>51998132
If your cousin is hot, smash that thot.

>>51995955
>How would you best resolve this situation in a game as a player?

With a barbecue of course.

>>51995955
Find a lesbian noblewomen who needs a husband and say that both can do their own thing with their own actual loves provided they shit out some legitimate children.

>>51998625
Plot twist: they're in love with the same maid.

>>51998645
I suppose they'll both be happy, then.

>>51996671
>>51997719
Getting acid thrown at your face is a good way to disincentivize breaking up.

>>51995955
Sure, why not? Maids are generally more powerful than normal humans, so with good stats the baby should be more powerful than usual!

Coerce/Bribe/Threaten/Offer favours to a noble family to adopt the maid in question, thus making her noble.

>>51995955

>How would you best resolve this situation in a game as a player?

Kill her, if GM is being a cock block seduce her and make her confess her love for you in the middle of the palace.

>How would you best run this scenario in a game as a GM?

Stop players from attempting to kill her.

>>51997990
>Missing the point this hard

>>51998805

But think of the prestige of the crown, or the fact that she may be a foreign spy.

>>51998940
Are you talking ill of the crown prince's dick by suggesting that it can't turn the loyalties of ONE female spy?

>>51997902

>Most marriages throughout history have been specifically because of love.

No they were not they were meant to pump out babys because someone had to help around the farm since 90% of the world population for 90% of the history of civilization were farmers.

Not to mention the physical attraction you get by looking at someone pretty is not the same kind of love that makes you spend 60 years of your life with that person.

>>51998955

Yes. Especially since he is a virgin.

>>51995955
Depending on the price and stakes being played there's a few options.

>crown prince abdicates in favour of one of his uncles or brothers

>maid gets boosted up to nobility by backers

>party walks away from this shitty love story, uses them and starts a mercantile funded revolution to install an oligarchy under the cover of democracy

>>51998991
To the chopping block with him.

>>51999066
>party walks away from this shitty love story, uses them and starts a mercantile funded revolution to install an oligarchy under the cover of democracy
Revolution is never the answer, anon.

>>51998974
Sorry, you are now confusing marriage with sex.

Please stop confusing the two, your Catholic is showing.

Thank god i don't play with magical realm autists so I don't have to deal with this kawaii uguu~ ^_^ style retardation

Also fuck anime and anyone who watches it

>>51999094

No I am not. And for most of history sex out of wedlock was seen as a bad thing.

And marriage for most of history has been basically guaranteed sex, because each family needed to pop out like 10 kids.

>>51999131
You seem riled up friend. I bet watching a cute anime would calm you down.

>>51999131
that kind of shit happend since middle ages where a thing, idiot

>>51999091
Anon seriously.
In worlds with magic as standard power there's no reason not to have mage-families and councils ruling the land.
In fact it provides a chance for true meritocracy to prosper.

>>51997784
True, and an often forgotten fact most of the maids and servants of Royalty and the higher tiers of the Peerage were the children of minor nobles and knights.

>>51999066
>maid gets boosted up to nobility by backers

Or maid's father/sibling is already a Baron or Viscount, so is promoted to Count or Marquis.

>>51999166
Must have missed the part about medieval princes marrying anime maids in history

Stupid

>>51997784

Depends on the nation, culture and political mechanism.

Something like an Elective, or Hereditary Elective Monarchy would have no need for such a thing since anyone could be viable, and someone doing something dumb like that removes the chaff from the wheat.

>>51999248
It was a simpler time.

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>>51995955
I congratulate him on his taste.

>>51995955
>Make prince convert to Islam or fantasy equivalent
>Marry him off to nobility for his first wife
>Let him marry the maid for his second wife
>Still have slots for two more wives

This what King Henry VIII tried to do. He told the Caliphate he'd convert the entire country to Islam if they'd protect his ass from the Pope. Caliph said no because they had enough problems with out inviting (another) holy war.

>>51999273
How can noble women even compete?

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>>51999267

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>>51999300
>Cute
>Devoted
>Good with knives
>Ice magic
>A little clumsy so you can help her and make her flustered


They can't compete.

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>>51999273
>>51999300
>>51999377
I preferred pic related.

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>>51999786
In truth Felicia is just my 2nd favorite fates girl. My first is pic related.

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>>51999802
Also a solid choice.

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>>51999813
Murderwives are the best wives, be they milfy or not.

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>>51999826
>Peri

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>>51999826
I'll agree to that. A murder waifu whose devotion to murdering your enemies is second only to her utter devotion to you as a wife is the perfect combination.

>>51999847
>Not 8 bit smug

>>51999291
[citation needed]

>>51997831
> In 1943, Stalin was offered the chance to have his son back. The Germans had been defeated at Stalingrad and their Field Marshal, Friedrich Paulus, was taken prisoner by the Soviets, their highest-ranking capture of the war. The Germans offered a swap – Paulus for Yakov. Stalin refused, saying, ‘I will not trade a marshal for a lieutenant’. As harsh it may seem, Stalin’s reasoning did contain a logic – why should his son be freed when the sons of other Soviet families suffered – ‘what would other fathers say?’ asked Stalin.
> When Stalin's son attempted suicide by shooting himself, Stalin's response to finding out he would survive was "He can't even shoot straight"
Stalin was based.

>>51997989
>Making your son hate you
You're an idiot.
You kill her and make it look like it was natural, like she got sick, or like it was an accident.

>>51996437
For serious game, it's that or abdicate the throne.

>>51999933
can he have her as a concubine or somethin'?

>>51996437
>Forgetting the "Kill her and make it look like an accident" method
>So the Prince forgets about all of this sillyness

>Or the "Marry her off to some lordling's fourth son who has no other prospects" option.

>>51997522
B

>Heroic fantasy is best fantasy

>>51997028
>worth my time
>If the other players are totally on board with this nonsense
>I focus on any actually interesting plot points
>waifu garbage

Tl;dr any kind of fun but the kind I like is bad wrong

>>51999877
My History professor

>>51997870
You mean the one starring the same ladiesman Romea who fucked nuns? It's not as romantic as pop culture makes it seem, and it's probably more about how stupid hormone ridden teenagers tend to act.

>>51999916
Not sure what to think about it. Was Stalin a psychopath or just a guy who believed state interests go over familial interests? Because a lot of his behavior in other situations suggests the former (though it's more romantic in this situation to assume the latter).

>>51997586
And a pretty damn good magic growth.

>>51997940
You know, the classes are dumb as shit, but god damn if I don't love the uniforms and the characters that are maids/butlers fit the theme well enough.

Also, Felicia a cute.

>>51998132
Which cousin?

>>52000079

>Was Stalin a psychopath or just a guy who believed state interests go over familial interests?

Are you forgetting Stalin was the state?

>>51999091
>Revolution is always the answer
ftfy

>>51995955
Ask the imp.

>>52000051
Your history professor was full of shit. The only people claiming the caliphate during Henry VIII's reign were the Ottomans, and England didn't have diplomatic ties with them until Elizabeth I's reign. They helped Henry VIII's break from Rome indirectly by terrorizing the rest of Europe, but Henry certainly wasn't colluding with them, much less offering to convert.

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>notmarrying your adoptive sister
Do you even noble?

>>51996600
If you're American, I want you to know that your society encourages women to marry men and then divorce them for economic reasons, which probably contributes to your soaring divorce figures.

This isn't even some MRA shit, it's simple economics.

Hell, in theory, your society encourages men to do the same thing, it's just harder for a man to find a rich woman to scam.

>>52000079
Since psychopaths don't actually exist, I'm gonna guess #2.

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>>52000109
>Stalin was the state
Not. Yet.

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>>52000300
It's treason, then.

>>51995955
>he marries whoever I please and openly takes the maid as a mistress
EZ

>>51997990
but they did get married

>>52000251
As opposed to your society, where they've solved every problem relating to estate law

>>52000182
>Only slightly yandere tendencies
I love this.

>>52000251
Not American, but the same base logic applies to most European societies (though to a lesser extent). It's incredibly stupid: the old system, though "sexist", made sense and played into the strengths of both genders with the stability of the system as its main end goal. A system that downright disencentivizes a stable environment to raise children in can't lead to a civilization that can survive.

Not that the average parliament looks further into the future than their next reelection.

>>52000458
No, they think they got married. The priest as out of line.

>>51996392
In antiquity "love" was something you got a mistress for.

>>52000699
I googled it but I don't know what you're talking about. Which line are you referring to?

>>51996437
That's sloppy intrigue there, ingratiate yourself with the party that has most to gain from the assassination of the maid and sell out their plot, then explain that as a queen she would never be safe and cash in on getting him to do whatever he does next.

>>51995955
The crown prince would only do that because he doesn't want to marry the princess his father chose. He has no love for the maid but fake it convincingly.

The maid is secretly an assassin sent to kill the prince, playing the role of a lovestruck girl.

The prince knows that the maid is an assassin sent to kill him, but plays along anyway, because he has every confidence in his ability, and find that fun.

The maid knows that the prince is playing along and knows her true nature, but still, she has a job to do.

The prince is secretly a dragon in disguise. He isn't really the prince, but a shape shifter who took the mantle and play his role perfectly as if he was the prince in question.

The maid is secretly a dragonness infiltrating the assassin's guild.

Cuck the prince with the maid.

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>>52000182
The adoptive sister is only interested in redhead tomboys.

Roll around my the Noble Lads and force that faggot to abdicate. A Prince is Lord and Servant.

>>52000830
>When the DM feels the need to make twists for the sake of twists

>>52000830
the assassin's guild is actually a front for a dragon breeding guild

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>>51995955
Alright, everyone. I'm marrying the maid. Any objections?

...


No?

...

Didn't think so.

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>>51996392
>5 answers ridiculing this post

Life is cruel, man

>>52001069
What's this supposed to prove? Every Noble in the Kingdom is bound to have his own squad of Knights. The Nobles who have unwed daughters are going to be salty, they're probably related to the not so angry nobles, then you'll have the old guard who don't want some half-peasant kid bossing them about in the future.

He marries the maid.

Now the powerful noble houses that had planned on creating a royal alliance through marriage start plotting rebellion because their ambitions have been denied and they've been publicly insulted.

>I'll marry my daughter to Lord Fontlebottom's heir instead, and we'll find out how much the prince likes maids when we drown him in a mop bucket.

>>52001104
Reality is cruel. The way we see love is a fucking delusion inspired by Hollywood that often crashes with reality (as seen by high divorce rates that are only decreasing because less people are getting married in the first place).

I prefer the way the Ancient world saw it: there are multiple forms of love, and eros (attraction between men and women) is the lowest form of love that is inherrently selfish. When you have that attitude, you approach marriage completely differently. Nowadays it's (especially from the male perspective) setting yourself up for failure with the belief nothing bad will happen to you. Even though all the men who got fucked over by divorce courts believed the exact same thing at first.

The only thing cruel is that we keep raising our children on fairy tales (and not even the real ones that got brutal as fuck*, but the squeaky clean Disney censorship versions) as if they are true.

*the most grating example must be the Little Mermaid. In the Disney version it's a story of true love, in the original the Mermaid commits suicide. Because she was a dumb little bitch who traded everything she had for a man she fell in love with, even though that man never knew she even existed. It's a good lesson for children and I wish children's cartoons had the balls to teach children it's not all peaches and cream, bad things happen to good people and nobody really cares about you unless you have something to offer them.

>>52001147
Yes, and as Machiavelli said it's within the purview of a ruler to make and break nobles as the situation requires. If the prince allowed anyone under him the ability to challenge him, he deserves what he gets. Nothing will stop the prince from having his maid waifu.

Nothing.

>>52001104
Princes are just parasites anyway. He has a job to create stability, that's all. He's been living off the tax payers money his entire life, now he's deciding to disregard his duty. He should just disinherit himself and go live in the woods.

>>52001271
No, don't you get it? The prince has to lose and fail because in the real world he'd be so dead lol

>>52001216

Idiots will be idiots, manipulative people will be manipulative, bad parents will be bad, and the intelligent will manipulate any system they interface with to their advantage, and none of your sermonizing about fairy tales, Greek philosophy, or the dozen divorces you've never had will change any of this.

You will also not understand what I'm trying to say with this post, and make a great number of assumptions about my intent and meaning, most of which will directly correlate with your own personal context in neat, carefully boxed ways.

>>52001271
>Retarded Redditors think Michiavelli is anything but satire
Please, kys.

>v
>reddit
>tumblr

>>52001358
>meme arrows

>>52001392

>got triggered

>>52001392

>Greentexting

>>51995955
>How would you best resolve this situation in a game as a player?

Kill things in caves for people I meet in taverns.

>How would you best run this scenario in a game as a GM?

Find a really good way to tie it into something in a cave that needs to die.

>>51996600
>50% of marriages end in divorce meme
First marriages are significantly more likely to last. The 50% estimate when you factor in second and subsequent marriages, which are much more likely to end in divorce. It's technically true (though estimates range from 35-50%) but misleading.

>>52000251
>soaring divorce figures
Divorces hit their peak in the 70s when no-fault divorce was made legal. It's been steadily declining since.

>>52000699
If you have your own personal headcanon, that's fine, but it doesn't override what actually happened in the play.

>>52001216
You're like someone melted down LiveJournal and poured it into a mold. Next you're gonna tell me about libertarianism.

>>52001525
>It's been steadily declining since.
Yeah, because marriages themselves have been declining, and for the exact same reason why divorces peaked: no-fault divorce. For various reasons one in four millennials will never get married. Stop and think about how huge that number is. And then realize that it's unlikely marriage will make a surprise comeback with the next generation.

>>52001600
You say that the same way someone else might say "one in five people on Earth are affected by hunger". Like it's a bad thing instead of an essentially lateral move.

And I didn't mean "there are numerically fewer divorces". I mean "the percentage of marriages that end in divorce has been declining".

>>51996392
I fail to see the problem. You keep a trophy wife to show off to society and your real lover for when you don't have anything to prove. Throughout all of history, plenty of people in real life have had this exact arrangement. I can't even understand why anyone wouldn't if they could pull it off.

>>52001104

I'd be piss-scared of a king that can't even do something like fuck once or twice his queen for the stability of the country.

>>52001778
Rumor had it that Louis XVI would just lie on top of his wife, insert his dick, stay there for a while, call it a day and leave.

This is why monarchs usually had others (sometimes their own parents) staying in the room to help them properly impregnate their wives.

>>52001943
And I thought my parents were hard on my case about grandkids.

Get hired as a maid and seduce him.

>>52002149
b-but you're a male!

>>52002206
He doesn't need to know that till the wedding night.

>>52002206
Boys make the best girls though.

>tell the prince I support his love and will try to protect him from the nobles who might try to harm the maid
>tell said nobles I don't support the prince and that I can take advantage of how close we are to give them the chance to kill the maid
>make preparations for the assasination
>tell the prince about it
>if the maid is killed then I can blame it all on the nobles and remain as the depressed prince's closest ally
>if the maid survives I still blame it all on the nobles and convince the prince to marry some random noble bitch to prevent this happening away while keeping the maid as a concubine/secret lover
>anyway the prince will consider me a trustworthy ally
How did I do?

>>52001600
There are larger issues at work than just the process of divorce incentivizing gold diggers (as though people weren't aware of prenuptial agreements for exactly that reason). Work habits, careers, etc all play a larger part. Fundamentally, marriage as an institution to promote the family. The woman expects loyalty because she doesn't need her husband taking care of kids from other mothers, and the man expects loyalty so he's not raising someone else's kids. If you're not having kids, not much reason to get hitched when a commitment works just as well. The time it becomes convenient is when you start building mutual assets, like going in on a house together. Millennial are avoiding that too, though, having seen the type of shit that can go down with the real estate market.

>>51999924
It doesn't matter if you're son hates you, its for the good of the realm/family.
He can hate you as long as he's being proper.

>>51995955
Pose as the queen (or some other member of the royal family) from a rival kingdom and embrace the maid in question while shouting "My daughter! I've been searching for you for so long!"

I have the best Charisma and relevant proficiencies so I'd be the best choice to pose as the monarch. Meanwhile all the rest of my party has to do is mount a coup of the rival kingdom to make my reign legitimate. If we're playing by /tg/ rules (marriage only for alliance, alliance only through marriage, if a rule exists it must be followed, no items, Final Destination) then we can guarantee they have no formal ties to the prince's kingdom.

And they all lived happily ever after.

Half the thread is murderous schemers, the other half is people thinking with only their libido. This kind of thread is why i always get the popcorn when I get on /tg/.

>>52002410
Him hating you could cause disaster for the realm if he does stupid shit just for the sake of thumbing his nose at you.

>>52002610
>implying my murderous schemes aren't inspired by my libido

I pay a wizard to solve this problem for me.

I'd make the argument that being a Promoted Class means that the Maid is an elite and therefore lower nobility at the very lowest.

>>52002721
How, exactly?

>>52002796
Magic

>>52002943
And how would magic help in this situation?

>>52002984
By being magical.

>>52002796

The wizard opens his spellbook and casts every spell on every object and person until the solution is found, just like when you're stuck in a point-and-click adventure game.

What could possibly go wrong?

>>52002796
Turn the prince into a maid and the maid into a prince.
Problem solved.

>>52003042
That just leads to the same exact same problem plus presumably wacky shenanigans on top of everything!

>>52003014
If it's a hired wizard, you go bankrupt.

>>52002796
Cast wish for the maid to become a princess-maid.

>>52003059
No it doesn't.
The problem was that (let's call them) Prince Ecnirp wanted to marry Maid Diam but thanks to the wizard help now the Maid Ecnirp wants to marry the Prince Diam, which is a completely different problem that some other faggot will have to deal with.

>>52003089
In a setting with body-switching magic I have to imaging there are laws of succession specifically relating to this. If there weren't laws and measures designed to keep it from being successful then every Tomanthus, Dikacian, and Harrigen would be casting body-switching spells with royalty and getting away scot-free.

And putting that aside, now you've got two people shoved into the wrong bodies. If the prince goes along with it willingly, then he's essentially volunteered to sacrifice everything in order to still not get his true love. If he doesn't go along with it willingly, then he has the knowledge and memories of royal secrets to easily prove the maid in his body is an impostor.

Wacky shenanigans may be added, but nothing is solved.

>>52003199
No, you don't get it, they don't switch bodies.
The prince turns into a maid and the maid into a prince.

>>52003217
Okay, so the crown prince of the kingdom has ceased to exist. That doesn't solve anything.

And there's this new unrelated person who claims to be a prince. That doesn't solve anything.

And the castle has lost an experienced maid and now has to train a new one. That doesn't solve anything.

>>52003261
It solves the problem of the original prince marrying the original maid.

>>52003287
It does not. He's the crown prince. As soon as the family figures out something is amiss they're fixing it. And remember, they can pay that wizard way more than you can.

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>>51995955
Either move down the line of succession to the next, have him take her as a concubine/mistress, or if neither of those are available just never fucking die!

>>51996392
The person second-in-line to the throne get to become king because the prince is being a difficult ponce.

Fucking next.

>>52003341
If they do then the maid gets executed for pretending to be royalty or something.
Problem solved.

>>51995955
>Player
Talk to him about taking her as a concubine.
Marriage is for alliances and power, the stability of the nation.
He will NOT be allowed to compromise that with his heart.

>GM
Idealist prince, blessed by the God of Love.
Princess from another nation is jealous, wants his hand.
Her father could never say no to her, and wants the marriage of her and the prince as well.
Mutual enemy is growing arrogant, and they'll need to be allied in the future.
Have to find a solution/compromise.

>>51995955
'discover' that her family is actually an impoverished line of nobles and declare war on any nobles who object or ask question

>>52003351
Despite the fact that /tg/ loves to be edgy about the rules of succession, it doesn't actually work that way. At least in the English line of succession, nobles usually only married nobles from other countries when there was an imminent risk of the line dying out.

Marrying a non-noble doesn't invalidate the laws of succession. Kate Middleton is not any kind of royalty, and the laws of succession today are nearly identical to what they've been for the last 500 years, but the royal line still passes through her. Monarchs married family members to avoid their blood being "watered down", which ironically is why so many Romanovs had hemophilia.

And there's the obvious flaw that all this assumes the fantasy kingdom has laws identical or heavily similar to feudal Europe, which is not a guarantee by any means.

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>>52003388
>Princess from another nation is jealous, wants his hand.
Missread this as prince, ignoring that it's a princess now.

>>51995955
"That's very unfortunate, do you happen to know where the nearest Dungeon is?"

>>52003630
>murderhobo
Why even play a roleplaying game at that point?

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Felicia: Lord Xander! You summoned me?

Xander: Yes, I did. Please, be at ease, Felicia. I did not call you here to reprimand you. I just wanted to thank you for teaching me what it is like to be a maid. It was an experience I will never forget.

Felicia: I'm glad you found it rewarding, milord. If you ever want to escape yourself again, I'd be happy to accommodate you. In fact, we could go practice our tea walks right now, if you'd like!

Xander: No, thank you. Today there is something else I wish to ask of you. Something very important.

Felicia: Something important? In that case, perhaps it would be better if we were to call on some of the others. I'm...a little forgetful. And I have trouble keeping up with things.

Xander: No, it would be difficult with others around. It's best this way, trust me.

Felicia: Yes, milord. As you wish.

Xander: Felicia... I want you to have this.

Felicia: W-wait! Isn't that...?

Xander: Yes. It's a wedding ring.

Felicia: But...why would you give this to me, milord? Should I clean it for you? Oh, unless... Unless you're asking... ?! Is this for me? Are you sure you didn't mean to give this to someone else?

Xander: I am quite sure. When you get to be my age, all anyone talks about is marriage. But I always worried, should I marry, I'd be unable to make time for my wife. And even if I could, I didn't know if it would be more than just another royal obligation. But since I've grown so close to you... those fears have disappeared. I know that I will never have trouble making time for you, as you are ever on my mind. Felicia... Will you marry me?

Felicia: Yes! Yes, of course!

Xander: Thank you, Felicia. I feel as though you have lit a fire in my heart. And I ask that you, as my queen, bring this same fire to all the people of Nohr. Together, we will inspire them to rise anew from the ashes of the past!

Felicia: Y-yes, sir! I think I can do that! Probably!

Is this okay?

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>>52000182
>picking worst adoptive sister

>>52005995
>using such shit fanart
APOLOGIZE AND POST BETTER.

>>52005995
>that pigface
Ewww.

>>51995955
>How would you best resolve this situation in a game as a player?

Tempt the King towards the path of the Lich and personally ensure he grasps that dark power and un-lives eternal.

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>>52000182
>Tfw you know Camilla's the best but can't stand the mom/sister relationship she has with MC perspective
>Tfw you will never be like Silas and get to know her from a purely comrade/romantic relationship and pick up from your childhood infatuation right into her domineering preferences
>Tfw you will never ride into combat with your princess, general, shield-sister, lover, and dom by your side

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>>52006027
>>52006030
I just posted the first image google gave me, better?

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>>52006098

Let him do what he wants, but he isn't king anymore.
I'm sure there's more than enough people looking to take his place.

>>52006120
>>52006098
Much better.
Drills Imuoto a cutie.

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>>51995955
>How would you best resolve this situation in a game as a player?
Marry a maid too!

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>>52000908
my adoptive sister has good taste

That's honestly not too big of a deal so long as the kingdom is not in a dire situation where a political marriage is necessary, and even then one of the prince's brothers should be able to work just as well.
Nobility marrying commoners is not nearly as uncommon as you think.

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>>52006659
I'm partial to her predecessor myself, but the archetype holds.

>>51996809
It's almost as if love is just people growing used to each other.

>>51998838
I like this idea. The benevolent king who implies a house could possibly gain favor by looking kindly upon certain servants *nudge nudge, wink wink*

>>52010337
That's a pretty clever idea. It also works as a sneaky way to directly link your noble house to the crown.

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>>52010337
>*nudge nudge, wink wink*
What did he mean by this?

>>52010374
Clearly the noble house would adopt the maid, with their heir seducing her and breaking down her delusions of being with the prince, then in a year or two they would marry her off to said prince, but her heart is taken by the noble's heir.

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>>52010407
>with their heir seducing her and breaking down her delusions of being with the prince

Say no to NTR.

>>52010454
But then how would the Prince take on the task of breaking her from their control and showing her that he loves her truly?

Conflict is fun.

>>52003287
In my setting, A Wizard's Solution is an idiom that means a solution that solves a problem by creating two different ones.

>>51996516
>implying I want to be the crown prince
>implying I'm not a knight first and noble fourth
>implying my brother never wanted the throne
>thinking I want to wake up to a knife in the back and then the throat
Adventuring is a noble enough ambition and like >>51996475 brings up, having a ninja maid would be handy.

>>51995955
Royal marriages aren't about love. They're political currency. You will marry the Princess of that other kingdom and save at least a hundred thousand lives. You will produce a male heir. You will become head of both states. You do not have a choice in this.

Fuck the maid on the side, be romantic with her. But your Wife and soon to be Queen is politically powerful in her own right. Never forget that.

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>>51995955
>marriage
>having anything to do with love
Marriage is a purely social construct that allows the husband and the spouse to share certain rights and responsibilities, such as the property rights or the entire inheritance debacle.

Marriage has absolutely NOTHING to do with romantic feelings or feelings of trust and loyalty, it's nothing but a social contract that is recognized judicially.

That said, I would probably marry someone I truly love, but than again, love has less to do with passion and romantic feelings and more with loyalty and feelings of trust.

Passion isn't long-lasting and can't be relied upon, unlike loyalty and trust.

This is why the phrase "blood thicker than water" even exists - the idea is that you've spent so much time with your family relying upon them and your family relying on you, that both of you have instinctual feelings of trust and loyalty based upon your numerous previous interactions.

>>52011008
Marriage has always been about love, even if nobles sometimes didn't marry out of love.

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>>51996492
>Marrying the person you love as Nobility
>Expecting it to not backfire horribly as she gets bored of you.
Choose one, but only one.
What does /tg/ thinks of this "realistic" take on Arthur?

>>51997940
Name one fucking thing that isn't improved by battle maids. One.

>>52011177
Never read this trilogy, but wasn't Arthur basically cucked by Lancelot originally?

Sure, all I've read is bettermyths.com version, but surely he wouldn't lie?

First, the obvious question: is this love? I don't mean love at first sight, or thinking with your dick, I mean ACTUAL love. If not - good luck with that, your Royal Dipshit.

Second, we find out if the maid herself is cool with this kind of attention, and reciprocates; if it turns out she's using a love potion or similar bullshit, then we knock this whole sorry mess on the head. If she's flattered but not that into His Royal Highness, then we'll try and sort things out as best we can.

If it's yes to both questions, then we can find something to keep any snooty nobles happy.

Prince needs to marry somebody above a certain social level? Oh look, it turns out she's the long-lost heir to some obscure fiefdom that probably doesn't even exist anymore. Look, it says so in these documents we just happened to find. No, they're NOT in my handwriting, don't be silly.

She lacks certain social graces? We go full Professor Henry Higgins on her, right down to everyone assuming we have a thing for her, even though George Bernard Shaw insisted that wasn't the point of his play, damn it.

Prince already engaged to be married? Find the original fiancee somebody else, and do the other royal family a solid - that should (probably) smooth out any threat of war. Hell, we'll even do them a few more solids, if they want. It's all politics, right?

There'll be other obstacles, of course, but what can I say? I'm a sucker for romance.

>>52011687
Oh yes, he was plenty cucked in the originals.
But in the Trilogy, Arthur breaks a marriage with a hostile kingdom's princess to marry Guinevere because it was love at first sight, thus sparking a war that almost defeated Arthur.

Later on, Guine there starts making secret orgy cults, enters Game of Thrones mode and is a huge dick to everyone slightly "ugly" and non BFFs, threatening to destroy what Arthur fought to create, a stabilized union of kingdoms.

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Did someone say KING ARTHUR?

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>>52012481
That's not my king, THIS is my king

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>>52012481
>>52012631
>having kings

>>51996392
The Art of Courtly Love Andreas Capellanus makes it pretty clear that love and marriage are two different things that don't need be manifested together. He can marry someone for the sake of his family, but he can also love the maid.

>>52012852
>humiliating your true love by designating her as the royal bitch

>>52012659
That looks familiar, but I can't place it.

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>>51995955
Tell him to get better taste.

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>>52012659
FER KING AN' CUNTREH

>>51996600
> people leaving stagnant and unfulfilling relationships is a bad thing
> wanting to leave relationships they committed to when they were both different people is a bad thing
> society was better when people were caged into bad relationships due to their parents expectations

>>52012919
Is she riding a horse bare assed? Fuck that must be uncomfortable.

Man, royals are retarded.

>>52012873
There wasn't that kind of social stigma during the Medieval period.
>Marriage, as a relation arranged by others, carried the taint of social social necessity for the aristocracy. (Kelly-Gadol, Joan, "Did Women have a Renaissance?")
Courtly Love was very common during the Medieval period and it didn't have anywhere near the same kind of stigmas that came with the Renaissance.

>>51995955
>Find a princess or other wathever noble woman
>make a deal betwen her father and he's father
>dress her like a maid to turn on the prince
>cinderella like senario to brain the prince
>enjoy the happy ending take the gold

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>>52013014
Saddle dildo

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>>52012659
This. The only real answer to The OPs scenario is:
>kill the king
>institute the Republic
>abolish all titles and privileges
>now, the ex-prince can marry whoever he wants

>>52013124
Wouldn't that be even more uncomfortable?

>>52013227
I don't know, but i like the idea

>>52013158
>This is what contemporary liberals actually believe

>>52015030
I think you're just not guillotining fast enough.

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>>52015309

>>52012904
[sanagi] Cast Aoi

>>52015349
>there's no guillotine "J"
I think I've found the problem

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>>51996392
A royal marriage is a very political thing and anyone who has been trained to be a future ruler would understand that, love or no love he has to marry the neighboring kingdoms princess and put out an heir and a spare only then can he peruse love instead of duty.

>>51995955
Obviously this cretin is too politically incompetent to be king. Assasinate him.

>>51995955
Make the maid a princess. Done.

I'm fairly certain Kate Middleton isn't a noble/royalty, and Prince William is still second in line for the throne.

So it all depends on the fantasy kingdom m8

>>51998645
Actually that's kind of win win for the prince

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>>52015349
>Constitution de 1791
>Constitution de 1793
Now that just flimflams my zimzams.

>Bastille is stormed
>Everyone is pretty mad about the nobility having privileges and the entire system being backwards
>They somehow really, REALLY love the king and republicans are a tiny minority even among the generally more liberal bourgeois
>They decide to write the 1791 constitution which installs a popular monarchy (one that bases itself on the will of the people and not the Grace of God) and assigns to the king basically the same power modern day French presidents have (which is A LOT in case you were wondering)
>Some German asshole duke decides that this is 2liberal4him so either this is reversed or he will invade France
>The National Assembly decides to propose bills that allow the state to levy taxes on the worldly possessions of the Church [which included vast estates and towns, overwhich the Church itself levied taxes] and proposals to raise a militia/national guard to protect the country
>The king vetoes both proposals, and every time something comparable is proposed he vetoes it again
>The Assembly is pretty mad and realizes that if the king keeps doing it, that German duke will actually invade France and actually restore the pre-Bastille situation (which is probably what the king wanted anyway)
>They abolish the 1791 Constitution and draft a newer Constitution (1793) to limit the king's power so they can levy taxes on church property and raise a militia even without the king's consent
>Before the king can even sign this constitution, he's captured for planning to fucking flee to the Austrian Emperor (Flight to Varennes) and ask him to also invade his own fucking country (Armoire de Fer scandal)
>The 1793 Constitution is never given force of law
And that's why the "evil" man is standing on those two constitutions: because they were shit.

>>51996668
what he meant is SOLELY for love is recent

what is hilarious is he thinks cavemen coupled purely out of greed and not love

>>52007812
Her predecessor is pretty great too, but the point is that >>52000182 picked worst sister.

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What if the maid was a zombie?

>>52020581
The only mercy to those forced back into the realm of the living is redeath, anon.

Make a royal decree that all women must partake in the maid profession. Now you can only marry maids.

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>>52021033
I don't know, they look happy enough

>>51997028
You seem like a solid team player anon, good job.

>>52011008
It's actually "The blood of the covenant is thicker then the water of the womb", talking about folks who fought together being closer then family.

>>51995955
just say to him, he can keep her as a concubine...

>>52023075
That's not love.

>>52000699
He performed the ceremony and the two consumated the marriage. That's as married as it gets.

>>52007812
Lissa is not for maids.