>All Wyverns are dragons, but not all dragons are Wyverns

>>51915393
No becasue I'm an autistic manchild that can't accept that other people imagine made up creatures differently to how I imagine them. Reeeeeeee!

Sounds right to me.

Sounds logical. What should be wrong with this?

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4 legged and winged are like the royal dragons.

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>>51915532
Smaug

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>>51915393
They are different species, saying wyverns are dragons is like saying house cats are tigers, yes they are related but they are not the same.

>>51915393
Absolutely. Dragon is a classification like "primate". Dragons are to Wyverns as Humans are to Chimpanzees.

>>51915546
WE
WUZ
DRAGON KANGZ

>>51915700
But humans are a type of primate, primates are not types of human.

>>51915610
They are both are Feline

>>51915393
Wyverns are the common offspring between polymorphed Dragons and mortals, born of a carnal union with no love(such as the usual rape reserved for virgin snackrifices). If the mother is a mortal it's a lethal single baby pregnancy, much harder to abort thanks to the resilent draconic blood. If the mother is a Dragon, she is likely to spawn a dozen or more eggs and release them into the wilderness to act as mindless predators. Much more rarely, this sort of union will give birth to a half-dragon, or even a member of the non-dragon species with a sliver of draconic power in them.

>>51915393
>>51915546
Wyverns are a subfamily of the dragon family. How many subfamilies exist?

>>51915742
Sorry, I had a point there but I fucked it up. "Draco Nobilis" (classic smart dragons) are to Wyverns, etc etc.

>>51915602
>Smaug is described as a 4 legged and 2 winged dragon
>Even Tolkien's drawings depict him as that
>"nah, nowhere says smaug has 6 limbs, also 6 limbed dragons are unrealistic"
Fuck Hackson

>>51915393
Of course.
Isn't this how it's always done?

>>51915911
Draco Europeanis, the four legged two wings version
smart dragons are rather recent, not classical at all

>>51915833
As many as the setting demands. Actually that would be a great setup for the "Dragon Simulator RPG" someone on here kicks around every so often.

>>51915754
Yes they are but a tiger is a tiger a Dragon is a Dragon a drake or a wyvern is not a Dragon it's a draconic subspecies with its own name and characteristics, but a wyvern should not be called a Dragon anymore than a house cat should be called a tiger..

>>51915546
Draco Interra
Draco Musculebrum
Draco Anguis
Draco Regium

sunday afternoon with nothing to do

>>51916332
What if "Dragon" was the genus, though? What if the classic four-limbed+two wings breed was a species under the heading of Dragon?

See:
>>51916352

What about the Asian Dragons? You know the ones, they have four legs and are really long.

What about winged serpents? Think Quetzalcoatl.

>>51916387
Anything else is stupid.
Dragon is such a broad term. Nobody is going to look at OP's pick and not yell DRAGON!

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>>51916425
oh boi

>>51915546
What is a dragon with wings but no legs called? Where do feathered serpents stand?

>>51916453
>Where do feathered serpents stand?
They don't. No legs.

>>51916449
>Draco ouroboridae

I like this.

>>51916465
kek

>>51916352
Draco Regium Rex "The Dragon King" aka The meanest motherfucker on the neighborhood

>>51916465
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.

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>>51915393
If a fucking snake with antlers and a fumanchu counts as a dragon, a wyvern does too.

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>>51916387
Then what would the classic western Dragon be called? The genus remains unnamed and to be agreed upon, but when people hear Dragon most don't think of the other Dragon like species do they.

>>51916425
They should use the name they are given in there original cultures Chinese dragons could be the long subspecies for example.

>>51916425
Quetzalcoatl was a god, not a species.

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>>51916561
>Draco Long
I dig.

>>51916561
Dragon dragon (Dracus dracus in latin). This happens all the time.

>>51916561
We would call it Europeanis.
A European dragon.
>most don't think of the other species
most that play DnD or want to act smart on the internet
most people indeed think of something like movie Smaug with a dragon

>>51916620
Wyverns are european too.

>>51916620
Europe has all kinda dragons m8.

>>51916611
I know, I just hate it when people call a wyvern a Dragon, it rustles my jimmies

dragons aren't real so you can call them whatever you want this argument is silly and pointless

>>51916592
>implying Quetzalcoatl, Qu'kumatz and Kukulkan aren't the triune god-progenitors of a race of plumed serpents in this setting
>implying the same can't be said of Nidhogg or Jormungand and the linnorms of the North, et cetera for each region through which you pass

>>51916592
Yes, but there were other feathered serpents.

>>51916657
I mean, I don't like that argument because I would get annoyed if I saw a unicorn referred to as a centaur, but "true" dragons having a specific body shape is based on nothing substantial though.
You don't need a justification for calling wyverns dragons, you need a justification for why they're not.

>>51916709
>You don't need a justification for calling wyverns dragons, you need a justification for why they're not.
I don't know, man. It's like calling a lion a cat. It's technically correct but at the same time it's not.

>>51916709
Because it is unnecessarily confusing for those of us who like things explained with more than 'its magic lol"

>>51916735
why?
at what point was a wyvern ever canonized as a non-dragon being?
Dragon was never a species. A dragon is serpentine monster, that's all the word means.

Draco Regium
Draco Regium Rex
Draco Regium Ignis
Draco Regium Frigidum
Draco Regium Ferrus
Draco Regium Aes

>>51916735
that's because cats and tigers are real and there are rules for what things are and aren't

fictional creatures don't have rules for what they are and aren't

>>51915393

No. I've always seen wyverns as simply sharing a common ancestor. Like a fox compared to a wolf.

>>51916814
so, they belong to the same family then? what would that family be called?

>>51915393
Wyverns are a draconic subspecies but dragons are a very specific thing

At least that's how it works in my setting, because there's no objective definition of 'wyvern'

>>51916929
The dragon familiy?
draconian family?

>>51916929
That's what everyone but the wyvern lover has been saying

>>51916929

Well, if you want modern taxonomy, they'd be either dracidae (the dracines) or draconidae (the draconines).

>>51916763
What are you talking about? How is that confusing?
I'll tell you what's confusing. Coming face to face with a dragon that's consistently referred to as a hydra, wyvern or sheonlong and then hearing that there's dragons in the setting and it's creatures that are totally different from the dragon you've been interacting with.

>>51915393
I'm fine with wyverns being a lesser genus of dragon, closely related enough to basically be simply called a dragon by the untrained.

They can even have the same magical traits or habits as true dragons (even their classification is dragon).

The distinction should only really be made by trained adventurers or scholars and the significance is only really in the severity of the threat. They basically do the same thing but one is a much bigger deal.

>>51915610
What if they are both dragons but called different things.

Like Pike and Salmon are both types of fish.

Draco Verum (true dragons) and Draco Wyvern (Wyvern)

>>51916654
It rustles your jimmies when people say something correct?

>>51917109
Read the thread and see why you are wrong as explained by a dozen different people.

>>51917019
A hydra, a wyvern and a Dragon look completely different that's why they have different names, how can you not get this?

>>51917098
If they are true dragons why not just call them dragons and use a different name for the genus?>>51917109

>>51917288

I think what he's suggesting is that the word "dragon" doesn't actually refer to any specific creature, but is rather a collective term for such things.

>>51917288
The only thing that makes something a dragon is that it's a serpentine monster. That's it.
The first myths with dragons jsut had giant limbless snakes.
This DnD classification is pissing me off, especially since people are pretending there's any sort of universality to it.
>>51917345
Because then the others wouldn't be called dragons when they obviously are.

>>51915393

I'm ok with it. In low-magic settings where you want a dragon that is more biologically plausible, you kind of have to go with a wyvern body plan.

I've been watching a lot of documentaries on the explosion of lineages from the Reptiles lately. Pteranodons were reptilian(ish), but with many dinosaurian features and their own unique way of flying. Dinosaurs of course eventually became birds. And then you have mammals, with their own biology. Each lineage seems to have its own approach towards child-rearing, thermoregulation, and respiration. IE very basic biological differences.

So to me, dragons are a fourth lineage. Breathing is like a bird/dinosaur: lungs and air sacs. They're mostly cold-blooded quadrupeds, like reptiles, but are capable of a degree of thermoregulation via a "heat gland" that drastically ups their metabolism for brief periods. They take off like pterasaurs (vaulting off their front legs/wings) via their heat glands and then mostly soar. They can also spit fire (again using their heat glands and an enzyme that they spray like napalm). Fighting, especially on the ground, often consumes Heat as well. Membranes in the muscular, fibrous wings can fill with fluid as another part of the thermoregulation system; it keeps them from overheating from spending Heat but also warms them via the sun.

So the default classical dragon is a wyvern: a 300lb+ soaring predator who spits fire on large herbivores from above and then glides safely while the animal burns to death. Then it feeds (gradually regaining Heat), before taking off again. Wyverns live and rear their young (from eggs, of course) in eyries: caves in cliffs or mountains. Availability, territoriality, and mate competition over the best decorated eyries is a major limiting factor on the species. From such a height, they can take off without spending Heat. Mate competition and territoriality lead to intelligence.

(cont)

>>51915393
It works fine as headcanon for a campaign, so long as you recognize that in reality the number of limbs doesn't matter and don't go around sperging off at other people about how only four limbed dragons are DA REAAAALLLL ones.

>>51917422

Other dragons exist. Four-legged flightless dragons, sea dragons, wyrms. Each have advantages and disadvantages, all are smart for animals but none are intelligent. Some have alternate uses for their heat glands. Each bodyplan has dozens of species.

General Dragon biology is a weird in-between case that splits the difference between avians and reptiles. Ideally, you get the metabolic parsimony of a reptile but the ability to heat themselves up in emergencies and temporarily get bursts of mammal-like performance. Ideally. In fact, as any experienced hunter knows, a dragon needs more food than a reptile and is easily worn out if you can enrage it and force it to spend itself out of Heat. Wyverns have this problem in spades because their eyries tend to be very cold. And then there's obviously the same problem that plagued the terror birds: protecting the vulnerable eggs.

So dragons are dangerous and powerful and have their niche, but they don't really replace existing animals. Which IMO is exactly what I want in a fantasy setting.

>>51916434

>WYVERN!
>What?
>Wyvern?
>What's that?
>It's a big flying lizard that has two wings and two legs...
>Like a dragon?
>No!... Well, yeah, but there's taxonomical...
>Why didn't you just say dragon?
>Because it's different!
>But what coul- Wait, why did yell "wyvern" in the first place?
>Because it's attacking the town!
>THEN JUST YELL DRAGON!
>IT'S NOT THE SAME!
>NO ONE KNOWS WHAT A FUCKING "WYVERN" IS!
>IT DOESN'T HAVE FOUR LEGS!
>LEGS DON'T MATTER WHEN IT HAS TEETH AND CLAWS!

>>51916654
Wyvern is a dracus guivernus. He is, by definition, a dragon. He's not a dracus dracus though.

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>>51917400
>The only thing that makes something a dragon is that it's a serpentine monster. That's it.
The first myths with dragons jsut had giant limbless snakes.

Oh shit it's a Dragon slay it before it burns down the village...

Meanings change over time, the old gets replaced by the new and on modern usage a Dragon is a 4 legged winged firebreathing lizard, you small piece of firewood.

>>51916707
For example?

>>51917626

>In the aftermath of a dragon attack, dragonslayers arriving at the scene noted that is was quite typical of a dragon attack.
>Atypically it was noted that the words, "TWO LEGS," were written on the side of a building, apparently in the writer's own blood.
>It has become known as the most perplexing and perhaps most unhelpful final words ever scrawled in someone's death throes.

>>51917626
If you are interested in fantasy at all you should know the difference between them and if you are not it wouldn't come up.

>>51917698
Except it's not the modern usage. It's the usage by some D&D nerds. Not even all of them, I'll grant you that your wyvernfaggotry would not be welcome in any table I've played in.

>>51917791
>If you are interested in an american bad product that completely raped fantasy

>>51917698
I think you're overestimating how many people are using this "modern usage"
it's really just some people trying to seem smart on the internet
You're not arguing for using "who" where "whom" was once the only correct word, you're arguing for "whomst've'd"

>>51917832
Or most depictions since Tolkien some 70 years ago.

>>51915393
No; I prefer having wyvern being somewhat more distant to the draconic family, not completely unrelated, but enough to drae a line like we do between birds and reptiles.

>>51917871
Still doesn't make the other 30% not dragons. Nobody was sperging about dragonballs being actually longballs. The wyvern shit is exactly the same.

>>51917853
>It's really just some people trying to seem smart on the internet

Well yes, we are the only people likely to care about such things.

>>51917245
Most people in this thread agree that wyverns are dragons.

>>51917944
Since dragons (unlike let's say owlbears) belong to common knowledge and imaginarium, the opinion of a minority of internet nerds is not the relevant one. If we were talking about let's say Beholders it might ne different.

>>51917626

I just hope my Sword of Dragonslaying isn't as pedantic as you fucks.

>>51917881

Yeah and latkes are NOT fucking hash browns.

>>51918022
Google Dragon, what do you get? Not pictures of wyverns, there is a reason for that.

>>51917626
If none knows what's a wyvern how did the first guy yelled "wyvern"?
if the wyvern and the dragon had no sensible differences why did people came up with different denominations?

seems more like the second guy is trying to justify ignorance instead of overcoming it.

>>51918148
He was a pedantic nerd.

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>>51918123
I googled wyvern instead

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>>51918123
I do actually.
And I use duckduckgo, so it's not personalized

>>51918123
>Google Bird, what do you get? Not pictures of ostriches, there is a reason for that.

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>>51918250

>>51918261
In fairness, the specific context was just the popularity of the respective body types
when I say "hey a bird" you DO look up
he's still wrong though

>>51918110
I don't know, can you suggest a genetic lineage that would support your claim?

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>>51918267
Along with images like these
they're all dragons

>>51918280
We never tried to oppose that classic four leged dragons are one of the most common and popular depictions of dragons. I don't think anybody tried to.

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>>51918203
You do know where you are right?>>51918233
Good so you know that it is called a wyvern not a Dragon.

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I like Monster Hunter's classification

Elder Dragons range from the atypical dragon with 6 limbs to things like Nakarkos which is basically a necromancer cuttlefish

Brute Wyverns range from things like Tigrex to Glavenus and Astalos

Wyverns includ Rathian/Rathos

Bird Wyverns include monsters like Malfestio and the Drome/-aggi family

>>51918357
Yeah, that's how words work
things have specific names, while still falling under broader category
dragon is a broad category

>>51917698
>on modern usage a Dragon is a 4 legged winged firebreathing lizard

No, that's the usage by a select cabal of TTRPG nerds.

To everyone else a dragon is just a giant fire-breathing lizard, the number of limbs involved being meaningless. That's the modern usage of the term.

But hey, feel free to go argue with some normie about how the Zodiac dragon isn't a dragon because it doesn't have wings. That should be an excellent lesson for everyone in the vicinity on the adversities of autism.

>>51918357
A wyvern is, literally, a dragon. Specifically a dragon with two legs and a barbed tail.

>>51918392
So what do you call the classic Dragon when you want to differentiate between it and other types, bear in mind y'all like to call all the Dragon types by the same name.

>>51918403
>To everyone else a dragon is just a giant fire-breathing lizard
Is a giant dragon-looking lizard that doesn't breath fire a dragon?

>>51918403
Even the fire breathing thing isn't that necessary to be honest. People will be surprized, but nobody who isn't an autist will sperg that this is no longer a dragon.

>>51918494
Just dragon. But a wyvern I would call also just a dragon, not a wyvern (there's not even a translation that doesn't sound retarded in my language). Same for a chinese dragon, I call it just a dragon unless it's necessary to be more descriptive.

>>51918512
Yes as long as it's not a dinosaur.

is godzilla a dragon?
are pterosaurs dragons?
if komodo dragons are dragons, are large proto-mammals dragons too?

>>51918512
Yes. If the fiction it's derived from calls it a dragon.

There are plenty of eastern dragons that don't breathe fire. Hell, some of Tolkien's dragons don't breathe fire.

>>51918577
why the distinction?
dinosaur just means terrifying lizard, dragon is a broader term.

>>51918584
I'll say that existing irl disqualifies you of being a dragon.

Yes Godzilla is basically a dragon at everything except name, and I would use the word dragon with no remorse to describe it to someone who never heard of it.

>>51918626
Dinosaurs are real animals, not mythical beasts.

>>51915393
No fuck off

>>51918626
Dinosaurs were real. We now use their essence to fuel our society.

>>51918584
>Godzilla is a Kaiju
>Pterosaurs are Dinosaurs
>Komodo dragons are Lizards
>Large proto-mammals are Large proto-mammals

>>51918679
>Pterosaurs are Dinosaurs
AKTHUALLY

>>51918678
Disappointingly, coal is trees and oil is mainly algae and plankton. No type of fuel in use today is composed of dinosaurs.

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>>51918679
>>51918695
Also, I found pic related.

>>51918678
>We now use their essence to fuel our society.
that's a common misconception

>>51918679
>[2 legged flying lizard] is a wyvern

>>51918668
were you there?

>>51915393
Why is it always about dragons and wyverns?

I never see autists saying that angels with one wing aren't angels or demons without horns aren't demons. Or that minotaurs with furry body instead of human aren't minotaurs. Or that unicorns without goat features aren't unicorns. I could go on.

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>>51918726
My teachers, computer, dudebro friends, parents, Cracked articles, and fantasies lied to me.

>>51918754
Yes.

>>51918777
Blessed trips confirmed for caveman.

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>>51918756
This whole distinction only seems to have arisen a couple of years ago as well, before that no one particularly cared about the specific definitions.

For me personally, a wyvern was like a much larger dragon without any kind of special breath, thanks to this book.

>>51918800
>calling God a caveman

Dude...

>>51915393
Is this how racism start?

>>51918873
If God was there, then fossils of the same species would be found at different depths.

Do not argue with the double dubs.

>>51918919
racism starts from attributing qualities to characteristics, not just from underlining differences.

>>51915393
Sure, sounds reasonable.

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>>51918919
I don't know, but I know how it ends.

Violently

>>51915393
If dragons are a clade, then there's no reason that wyverns can't be nested in it. If not, then you should have a different name for the different kinds of dragons anyway so

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>>51916620
>Europeanis
>peanis

>>51918919
nobody is saying that wyverns are lesser than the 4-legged dragons, even if they are

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>>51919114
uncircumcised

>>51918374
That's fucking stupid and you're fucking stupid for liking it.

>>51916449
>Dragons for ants

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in conclusion,
>wyverns are dragons and if you disagree then you are a pedantic nerd.

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>>51917698
>on modern usage a Dragon is a 4 legged winged firebreathing lizard
Here is a modern usage of the term dragon

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>>51919428
>Japanese wyvern
>not Rathian
????

>>51917698
>on modern usage a Dragon is a 4 legged winged firebreathing lizard
The Hobbit movie, Harry Potter movie, Skyrim, and Game of Thrones have two-legged dragons. Modern usage quite clearly includes two-legged winged firebreathing lizards.

>>51915393
Obligatory "depends on the setting"

In just an ordinary D&D game I like to make the comparison between chimps and humans for wyverns and dragons. Less prideful dragons find them cute in the way a dumb dog is cute, prideful dragons hate them as an insult to dragon supremacy.

>>51915393
Yeah, you tell Vermithrax that she's a fucking wyvern, asshat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmdeh5_boCE

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>>51920432

>>51915393
In a game where this is up for interpretation, I rule no. "True Dragons" are long-lived creatures with natural affinities towards magic and/or certain natural forces. "Winged, firebreathing reptile" =/= "Dragon", pterodactyls are not dragons, gliding lizardsaren't dragons, and neither are flying alligators with stingers. I may decide that such creatures are the result of a long-standing proclivity for a dragon to mate with something, thus creating a sustainable population of that thing, but usually I just deem it an independent winged, flying reptile. If in a given setting, you have wyverns filling the role of intelligent creatures with heavy ties to magic and/or certain natural forces, than sure.

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>>51919428
>wyvern
It's a true dragon.

>>51918726

Oil is also trilobites and other ancient marine creatures. Dinosaur remains do sometimes turn to oil, but the amount is vanishingly small. <1%

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>>51921225
Suddenly Big Oil lost 90% of its credibility.

>>51921428
who stabbed the true dragon?

I'm glad someone is finally fixing this error in Skyrim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POtZJj3dvSU

If a wyvern fecundates the egg of a 4-legged dragon or vice versa, what will come out from that egg?

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>>51921428
This guy does some pretty rad stuff?

>>51921513
A drake.

>>51921576
>feathers

>>51921632
>dinosaurs had feathers
fight me

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>>51915393
A drake is a wyvern is a wyrm is a serpent is an amphiptere is a tarragon is a dragon.

Much like how a mage is a witch is a sorcerer is a magi is a warlock is a magician is a wizard.

The literal only difference is setting. Setting and autism.

>>51919754
>Game of Thrones have two-legged dragons

Two legged, four legged, but what else could you expect from the dullest franchise in the history of tv franchises. Seriously each episode following Daenerys and her wyvern pals as they fight assorted shitlords has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when GRRM vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; he made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody. Just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for his books which he will never finish before dying of fat. The GoT series might be anti-Tolkien (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-fantasy series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the books were good though
"No!"

The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "dies."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several hundred times. I was incredulous. GRRM's mind is so governed by cliches and literal shit metaphors that he has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of GoT by a Matt Ward. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading GRRM at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go buy WH40k action figures." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "GoT" you are, in fact, trained to be a WH40k player.

>>51921907
Dude, nobody cares about what you think about Game of Thrones or the GoT to GeT 40K conspiracy. What matters in this thread is that the dragons in the show were two-legged.

>>51916620
Europeum or Europae, your latin skills hurt my autism.

>>51918123
Except i did, and got wyverns, 6 limbs, no limbs and a chick with wings, tail and scales in random places.

>>51924751
Pretty sure it's supposed to be genitive, Europa is in the same class as Dux or Matre. So it ends in -is at the gentive.

>>51915393
IN MUH SETTING dragon is a genus not a species

>>51922065
It's a meme you dip

>>51921074
What about akatosh? He's shown as a 6 limbed dragon in oblivion

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>>51915393
They're two different animals entirely.

Dragons have six limbs. Two forelegs, two back legs, and two wings.

Wyverns have two back legs and two wings.

>>51915393

>Drake
Gets confused with a dog on occasion, will hop up on your counters and be an annoying shit who knocks everything off and then looks at you like it's your fault. Will often stuff coins, buttons and other loose small things under your couch.

>Wyvern
Big dumb lizard who likes fish and ramen and laying on top of you and won't quit fucking eating out of the garbage can.

>Wyrm
Annoying motherfucker who doesn't believe in gravity. Will often try to one up you in a conversation and will act pissy and defiant and judgemental if you start proving his dumb ass wrong. Is possibly tsundere, but will never admit it.

>Dragon
Best fucking friend ever. Will even attempt to play vidya or tabletop with. Enjoys good beer and likes his steaks rare. May have a THICC tail. Usually really good at math, doesn't watch TV but will watch breaking bad on netflix with you.

>Dragonborn
ss + gomad, deliberately goes to planet fitness to set off lunk alarms. Tends to roam with a posse, may be a big guy for you

>>51930361
/thread

OK boys, time to pack up

>>51930361
You forgot:

>Hydra
(Female): Watches lots of television and movies, tends to be chatty as fug with a lot of scatterbrained ideas floating around until they see something that they can collectively focus on. Easy to tease, flirtatious, and interacting with one of the heads may create gossip or jealousy among the hydra.

(Male): Sports Center, ESPN, Dewritos, and cigars. They can be interesting to talk to, but you're not going to get a lot of conversation out of them unless you're entertaining.

and also YMMV, scalecolour tends to be the obvious indicator of personality, but variance from the norm is not unheard of in these sort of things.

>>51918809
my fellow of african american heritage

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>>51915393
I support this. Saying Wyverns are dragons is like saying hawks are birds -- they represent a significant subset of the larger group. Of course it gets confusing when you have something that would be scientifically named "Draco Draco" or "Draco Verum" or whatever the fuck you want to call something that simply has the common name of "Dragon", but at the end of the day Wyverns are part of the dragon family.

>>51918809
What the fuck I remember getting this book as a christmas present as a kid

Anon, this is the best kind of nostalgia

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>>51919114
>massive 6 foot dragon dong

>>51919114
>>51919149
>>51933152
>dragons have 6 foot uncircumcised penises.
Do you support this?

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>>51918756
I tend to think of nagas as scaly serpentine creatures that are essentially anthro snek above the waist and normal snek below the waist, and lamias as a different group of creatures that are similar except human above the waist. Does that help?
So Alice from MGQ is a lamia, and the Vipers from XCOM are nagas.

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>>51933265
Don't forget that their semen has transformative properties on lesser races although short-term exposure doesn't do anything.

Captcha: roast first

>>51925657
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Europa#Latin

Europa, first declension like Rosa, thus "Europae".

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Is this a dragon?

>>51935818
Yes, dragons can shapeshift. She's just not as good a dragon as one that doesn't spend 99% of the time looking human.

>>51935818
Quezacoatl is a serpen diety
Fafnir is a Dwarf.

>>51935896
>Yes, dragons can shapeshift
how undragon can they make them selves? i usually prefer horns and sometimes a tail, but even scaled arms and legs or wings are fine

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>>51918809
my gent

>>51916332
A tiger is a cat a house cat is a cat
But if you say cat people get expect a house cat

A wyvern is a dragon, and a four legged two winged dragon is a dragon, but when you say dragon people expect the 4 leg kind

>>51921559
a mistake

Dragons are not real, so they are whatever you say they are in your setting.

>>51938304
half assed answer

>>51938284
what kind of mistake? a 2 legged one or 4 ?

>>51938367
It's true though.

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Speaking of different dragons, I recently stumbled across a tumblr post all about different types of dragons (>pic related) and wrote a short thing about one.
http://pastebin.com/uZbiA1yw

Captcha: "Hello James"
Hi captcha, you almost got my name right! AI is getting friendlier by the day.

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>>51941690
>tumblr actually has a neat idea
I thought they were all just screaming turbocunts inventing new genders to feel more oppressed.

>>51942187
Fucking ugly dragon but that's a good physical representation of a 4 legged dragon, especially the wings.

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>>51942187
>>51942417
I like Tartiidrake. She's cute. And the artist does really great mawshots and the cutest vore.

>>51915393
In mythology, dragons come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. And yes, Wyverns are a type of Dragon.

>>51943057
die

>>51916453
Feathered serpents are related to things like the Minokawa, which is related to Dragons, so I'd say Feathered Serpents are a tertiary relative.

>>51915393
I honestly couldn't give less fucks about it.

>>51918809
My man!

Wyrms and Wyverns are best draconic subspecies. Prove me wrong.

Pro-tip: You can't, scrublings!

>>51916387
itd be the family, Im a little rusty but panthera covers the bigger cats and another group covers your small cats. Basically it'd look like this

Draco(family)
Wyvern(genus)
Wyvern common(species)

where as dragons would look more like this

Draco(family)
Dragon(genus)
Dragon(species)

>>51917698
Hell to throw a hat in, one college professor I know thinks that dragons were often just some big ass animals that the person who went and killed it called otherwise. His Gotos are wild aurochs and boar that were a threat to villages.

>>51945439
You can have that in your setting, but in general in fiction both those creatures would fall under the term "dragon".
So I guess if you want to make a "generic" fantasy setting "dragon" would have to be the genus.

>>51943057
>that tail
>that belly
>that gentle wingspread
>that curved neck
>THOSE GODDAMN FEET
would pet.

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>>51941690
I'd give Flint chinscritches. She probably deserves them.

>>51915393
so it's like whales and dolphins?

I'm down

>>51916592
"depends on the setting"

by D&D standards, it's totally reasonable to call winged serpents "Quetzalcoatl" as a species name

see: Medusa and Gorgon in bestiary

No they are completely fucking different the same way a Bat is a mammal while birds are Avians.
Just because they look vaguely similar doesn't mean they are on a genetic level.

>>51928104
So Fafnir wasn't a dragon?
The two dragons that rose from the lake that Merlin commanded drained weren't dragons?
So Chinese dragons aren't dragons?

>>51915393
Every square is a rhomboid but not every rhomboid is a square

>>51915393
No

>>51917871
>most depictions since Tolkien some 70 years ago
Bullshit >>51919754 stay mad

>>51942187
>I thought they were all just screaming turbocunts inventing new genders to feel more oppressed.
And most people think 4chan is just /b/ /pol/ and /d/ filled with virgin basement dwelling neckbeards furious that they don't get free money and sex and success.
Nice job not rising above the muck.

>>51947257
I still think "Medusa"is jarring.
Maybe they shoudl include a "Dracula" or a "Frankenstein".

>>51917422
>>51917619

Best in thread.

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psst
post dragons
any sort will do

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>>51954264
howdy

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>>51954314
yo

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>>51952152
...that's understandable. Would've thought some /k/ screencaps would've leaked out, though, not just /d/ and the shitters.
How accurate is "reddit is just a bunch of circlejerks" at least?

captcha: call centre

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>>51954264

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>>51954349

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>>51954264
Here, have the third-best part of the dragon.

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>>51954531

>>51947319
Yes and yes.

Chinese Dragons are closer to winged serpents, zero limbs but can fly.