EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

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>>51824955
probably this guy, great in counter synergy decks and a pretty strong/durable threat into the lategame

>>51824955
fuck yea. him and broodmate are my favorites

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>>51824955
>favorite beaters
Atarka and Ruric Thar.

What's the most fun way to build shu yun? I was thinking of just spammimg cantrips and double strike enablers with the occasional dick ass beater or urabrask.

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>>51824955
>What is your favorite beater?
OG Kozilek and Ulamog for putting massive dents in both life totals AND boardstates.

>Jund 'Em Out Edition
How the hell do you into Jund? I love the colors, I just can't figure out a commander I can get behind building.

>>51825198
Kresh and a bunch of Fight-type mechanics. Never tried building it, but it sounds fun.

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>>51824955
>What is your favorite beater?
This guy. Fuckin' love Dragons and extra combat

AMONKHET HAS A -1/-1 COUNTERS THEME

INVEST IN MIKAEUS!

>>51825512
there is one card from a planewalker deck that puts a one on creatures. I feel like thats a safe assumption, but I personally wouldnt jump the gun unless I was fine with losing money

>>51825512
Mike may be reprinted in mm17 so I wouldn't.

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WE'VE GOT GODS BOYS

5 OF THEM

PREDICTING NOW

>>51826512
>Wedges again
After Khans that will never happen.

We'll get shards first

>>51826512
I'm really hoping for shards or mono.

>>51826512
They'll be mono or dual. They don't do wedges very often, and we just had tri-color as a 'thing' a few sets ago.

>>51825512
>AMONKHET HAS A -1/-1 COUNTERS THEME
Source?

>>51826733
>>51826607
>>51826625


Shards will be next set, watch.

Grixis is a shard, and we're getting the bolas god then

>>51826960
Bolas will be a walker, not a creature

>>51826960
You mean when standard was good?!

>>51827043
Meant for
>>51826733

>>51826512
naya or temur for cat goddess for cat puns.

but hear me out, what if four colors? and bolas gets a fourth color by the end of this block?

>>51827043
You mean when it was All Rhinos, All the Time?

>>51827130
38 rhinos, perhaps more!

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>>51827010
This whole thing was foreshadowed in theros with Xenagos becoming a god. Bolas wants to regain his oldwalker power level. They're telegraphing this shit almost as hard as they did with Emrakul.

What are some good token creators in gruul, besides goblins and the usual eldrazi shit?

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>>51824955
>What is your favorite beater?

>>51827326
a n t q u e e n

>>51827326
Daddy Mycoloth.

>>51827326
Ulasht? Sekki?

>>51827326
avenger of zendikar, nissa voice of zendikar, DRAGON LAIR FUCKING SPIDER

>>51827326
Dragon Broodmother

>>51827326
Do you want a lot of tokens at once, or a constant supply?
Explosive: avenger of zendikar, waiting in the weeds, tempt with vengeance, one dozen eyes, Wort the Raidmother is spicy
Consistent: Nissa Voice of Zendikar, Xenagos the Reveler, any thalid, jade mage, feed the pack, elemental mastery, blade of selves especially on anything that makes tokens on ETB

>>51826957
liliana's planeswalker deck + ability was leaked on reddit and it puts a -1/-1 counter on a creature

>>51827355
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>>51827601
Both, I'm gonna build Thromok. But these are all very useful, many thanks.

>>51827286
wouldn't he lose power becoming a god? or did elspeth go ungod mode before getting ganked by heliod?

on another note, how do i round this up? anything i should cut?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/affirmative-actiondec/

>>51827740
Considering that Walkers now are just powerful mages that can Planeswalk, not the nigh immortal monsters of the past, bolas is just coasting on his elder dragon abilities. He wants more power, at least the ability to be as powerful as before. Nights reach was pretty close to old Walker level of power and she was a god, so I guess I would start there.

>>51827724
Mi negro amigo. Ogre battledriver, goblin bushwhacker, and reckless bushwhacker for haste enablers, and pathbreaker ibex for trample are all MVPs for helping with the alternate wincon of going wide. Don't sac all your creatures to Thromok just because you can, 6 or 7 will usually do, less with doubling season or primal vigor. Having a 225/225 Thromok is satisfying for sure, but you can too easily be undone by your hubris.

>>51827919
Thanks for the advice bonum amicum. While the idea of unleashing my inner Jimmy to create a Thromok that has millions of P/T, I'll be sure to let my inner spike talk some sense into me during those moments.

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Why does Kaho only have 35 decks on EDHREC?
I think I might be missing something, because at a first glace she seems really good.

For example, you can use Whir of Invention to tutor for artifacts every turn. Because the spell has improvise, you can tap the artifacts you fetch to help pay for even more artifacts. It seems like this could get out of hand rather quickly.

Once you tutor for Paradox Engine, it's basically game over. You can use Rewind to counter every spell your opponents cast. Or you could mill through your entire deck with Frantic Search and then win with Laboratory Maniac.
You could also use Reset or Turnabout for infinite man, and use that in any way you want to win the game.

Kaho only costs a couple of dollars. I would have thought that such a versatile and cheap commander would be quite popular, but she seems rather ignored.

My hipster instincts make me want to use an obscure commander, but a card as obscure and (seemingly) powerful as Kaho is almost a little too good to be true.

I'm quite new to magic so I suspect Kaho must have some flaw that goes over my head. Why isn't she used?

>>51828020
You don't COPY the spells he exiles, Anon, you CAST them.

>>51828048
Ah shit, of course. That explains it.

Thanks mate.

>>51827286
But Xenagos could only become a God for two reasons:

There was a hole in the Theros Pantheon, and more importantly the makeup of that specific plane made it so Gods could spring up out of thin air. I highly doubt Amonkhet works the same way

>>51828020
Also, since you're doing it without paying the mana cost, X must be 0. If you put Whir on Kaho, she'll only ever find 0 drops.

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To answer OP, all kraken, all the time.

>>51824857
>tfw no longer considering doggy choker for Tromokratis

I'll manage, but it could've been neat.

>>51828064
Could still be pretty fun to play with. Run a few ways to recycle cards from your 'yard back into your deck & ways to reliably bounce Kaho, and you've got a neat casual control commander.

She's quite far from busted, though.

>>51828020
For starters you probably need to read some rules, but essentially nothing you said works. Since kaho casts the spell it's not in exile anymore, it goes on the stack and then your graveyard. Second off x will always be 0 for whir in your example, because the x is always treated as 0 for spells of that nature when they are not on the stack.

Despite all this she could be good, but she has no haste so will get killed if you put anything too good into exile with her, and then you lose it forever since she is treated as a different object once you recast her.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rubinia-20/

Any suggestions? Heavy pillowfort and enchantment matters theme. Couple of cute combos with ruby but she's mainly used as vedalkan shackles on a body.

>>51828020
I was brewing up a deck with kaho that could win several ways, either by tutoring selective memory along with mana severance and winning with lab man or by something like rise from the tides.

>>51828152
>Because X is always treated as 0 for spells of that nature when they are not on the stack
Funny enough, not ALWAYS.

>>51828211
Not helpful, but odd how I keep thinking Merieke Ri Berit and Rubinia Soulsinger were only one card. Wonder if some crazy person out there has made a redless deck just so it'd be possible to run both.

Starfield feels dangerous, making your enchantment fort more vulnerable to removal. Maybe swap it with Asceticism?

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>>51824955
I should remake her edh.

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Is Dredge viable in EDH?

I'm not looking to make a degenerate combo deck or anything like that, just a relatively competitive graveyard deck, and dredge seems like a fun archetype that I've never had a chance to play around with.

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>>51828605
Yes

>>51828605
i have dredge in my meren deck but thats just to get shit into the grave to reanimate

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I have to say, this guy has been pretty solid in Xenagod. Could be pretty cash in a token build

>>51828605
It's "Viable" in the sense you can use a couple of the Dredge cards to repeatably get shit into your graveyard, but not in the sense of the Legacy or Modern archetypes.

>>51828708
seems really shit without other ways to make energy. like why not just play a 7/7 that does something your commander already doesnt do like give itself trample so it doesnt get rekted by a 1/1?

side note, if they ever do decide to bring energy back i am 100% certain energy decks will be broken as fuck

>>51828708
>>51828792

actually ignore me, im retarded and forgot it already has trample. still think their are better huge green creatures out there though

>>51828792
I mean, it literally provides itself with a shitload. If you play it with say, 6 other creatures out, and then attack with it next turn, that's a possible 21/21 swinging.

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What kind of win cons work well with a demon tribal deck? Discard seems alright, but I think it takes too long to get going. Alternatively I can swing big but that almost never works out well with my group.

>>51828845
Tribal always have trouble winning. If you want to win, you have to sacrifice flavour. Demons are too expensive and too slow to fill out an entire deck

>>51828919
Shadowborn tho

>>51828436
>Says this shit
>Gives no examples

You got some splaining to do.

>>51828958
I'll give you a hint:

There is exactly one card in all of Magic that defies the rule.

>>51828942
then make a shizo deck with accelaration out the ass and have xboxhueg demons on turn 4 and be able to fetch more every turn because of shizo's ability

>>51828977
>Unsets
No thank you

>>51828655
Does the Gitgud Frog have to be a combo deck?

>>51827130
Rhinos were annoying but there decks that coils go under them and with cards like whip of erebos and UB being a good control deck then, things that could outgrind. Don't get me wrong, abzan was strong but it wasn't rally the ancestors or bant Coco levels

>>51828989
It's not silver-bordered. It's a regular, totally legal, black-bordered card.

>>51828991
it doesnt have to be
but it should be

>>51828605
Mimeoplasm self mill reanimator,
Gitrog
Tasigur

>>51828991
Not really. There's good payoffs for a fat graveyard that aren't combo. Think Lord of Extinction, Kessig Wolf Run, even something like Jarad throwing big green reanimated fatties

>>51828991
I tried building him non combo and it just doesn't feel good. The frog gets a huge target painted on him and your playgroup has to be bad if you want him out for more than a turn. So combo is the best way to get all the value you need out of him on that turn.

>>51827740
bumping for deck help

>>51828991
After throwing shit I had together to make one cause I love frogs, it's kind of hard for it not to be.

>>51829016
>>51828605

Karador

>>51828020
1.) Paradox Engine and a few mana rocks plus something with buyback
2.) Iso Septer + Dramatic Reversal is similar and you'll need mana rocks.

Once you get all of that mana, use Reito Lantern, selective instants, and one of the two above board states to cast spells forever to deck your opponent with a Blue Sun's Zenith, Mill them with Brain Freeze, or Lab Maniac yourself with draws.

Kaho is still super weak due to needing to untap on your turn (if you don't give it haste), needing to tutor instances (if burn responds or doom blade), costing a fair amount of mana in a non-accelerating color, and the difficulty of casting more than one spell with Kaho per turn.

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>>51829030
>Gitrog
>Kessig Wolf Run

>>51829179
Anon must've mixed up lands, since Wolf Run has literally nothing to do with the point.

>>51829179
Probably meant Kessig cage breakers

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>>51828803
In xenagod, you can generally wind up with four to five creatures in play (mana dorks, utility creatures), even when you just want to be smashy with one guy.

When Basker hits the board, that's 29 damage.

Not too shabby

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>>51829384
like why not just use atarka instead?

>>51829555
Yeah Atarka does seem a whole lot better.

>>51829555
>doubles any damage any creature does and stacks with double strike
>doubles dragon's damage only

>>51827122
I can't imagine Bolas being green or white. Well, maybe white if he really got into law and order but the dude is so god damn egocentric I can't see him being green or white since he only wants to focus on benefiting himself.

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>slapping an Assault Suit on Ruhan
>ends up killing 2 players

I'm a goddamn genius. Everyone loves a big beater

>>51829627
>double one creatures' power
Or
>give everything of a certain type double strike

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what kinda cool shit can i do with this?

>>51829864
I guess you could make a deck that consists of nothing but mana dorks, but in that case you may as well be using Ezuri.

>>51829834
>a tribe that scion or zirilan do 10x better.

>>51829864
put it in trostani

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>>51824955
>Thread Question
This smug fuck, probably my favorite card in all of magic

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>>51830213
>Smug
>Not incredibly sad because he failed to act on Mirrodin's blight, now all of his friends are dead.
His crime was silence, now he suffers it eternally.

>>51830213
What kind of cards do you play around him?

>>51830245
I said smug because of his expression but yeah his story is pretty sad. Thrun and Melira are besties now so he's trying to make up for it at least

>>51830264
Swords, Umbra's, Rancor, Batterskull, Loxodon Warhammer, Epic Proportions, ect. Anything to make him huge. Right now he's in my Atraxa to go all in on with counters. I've been toying with the idea of doing a mono green voltron with him and stuff like dungrove elder

>>51830364
Oh duh and eldrazi conscription

>>51830213
How would this guy work as a commander? Aura voltron? I usually see him as part of the 99

>>51830400
Yeah pretty much. Just ramp up and slap as much equipment and auras on him as you can. That's the idea anyway, right now I have him in atraxa to dump counters but I want to make it

>>51829016
>Tasigur
I've been really interested in trying Tasigur, but again, I don't want to make a combo deck. Does dredge work with him? What are some fun ways to build around him?

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>>51829061
That's a shame. Might still try it. He seems pretty cool.

>>51829791
Ruhan is the fucking best, I don't care what anybody says

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>burning urge to rebuild a Voltron deck
>don't want to re-use Godo

HELP

>>51830602
Bruna. That shit is fucking lit.

I made the entire deck under $20. Just tutor enchantments and hold counters for her while milling yourself.

So I built a Tarland deck, did I make a mistake? This is only my second deck and the first one built from scratch.

I just want to counter spells and draw cards while punching people with drakes so I hope I don't get killed too fast

>building Skittles
>can't decide if I want to make the deck around SPLENDID PHYREXIA UP YOUR ASS or 'make everyone kill each other with poison while watching'

>>51830895
I've played Talrand and he seems like a lower power Azami. I feel like he works better as a 99 in some UR spellslinger deck.

Talrand would work great if you have a set budget for decks in your meta, though

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>>51830468
Sounds like a plan. Don't forget eternal witness

Is it just me or are most bg decks kinda samey?

>>51830985
Wait, meant UG

>>51830919
Well I have a small personal budget that's part of why I built him besides loving blue.
>>51830985
>>51831009
it's funny i thought of UG anyway from your first post, I'm kinda new to the game but every UG strategy just seems like value.dec with similar listjust varied for whackiness vs competitiveness

>>51830985
almost all BG and UG decks run the same way.

BG does stupid sacrifice stuff and, if left unchecked, wins unless you exile their battlefield and graveyard at the same time.

UG is all 'ramp and play the most value creatures you can' with some counterspells here and there.

Then again, we can really say the same for UR, which is "durdle until you combo." I think the most variance is the mono-colored decks.

>Decide to build some goofy Yidris spellslinger deck to try something new
>Playing against Atraxa, Alesha, and Rashmi
>Atraxa player is triggered af because of all the complex shit I'm doing (Cascading spells, copying spells, etc)
>eventually have Possibility Storm on board, Possibility Storm into a Mana Geyser which I copy with Mirari for 40 mana
>Cast like 4 more spells (so storm count is like 10)
>Mind's Desire
>Possibility Storm first into some random shit
>Hit my Mind's Desire off Mind's Desire
>Hit Treacherous Terrain
>Cast Treacherous Terrain and copy it
>Spelltwine my Treacherous Terrain and copy it again to kill everyone

Didn't even need to Mind's Desire again, Atraxa player was salty as fuck because he didn't understand anything that was going on.

How do you guys feel about shared fate in EDH?

>>51831151
That sounds hilarious. Do you have a list, by any chance? My Yidris has been sitting around collecting dust because I can't decide what to do with him.

>>51831344
It's only purpose is creating a game without end, since people can't mill to death it in play.

If you just want top of library shenanigans I recommend zurs wierding.

>>51831545
with 4 players someone is bound to share atleast one of your colors. plus you can play their lands. I dont think it is actually that much of a stall just chaos stuff

Where do you guys play? The guy whose place we usually play at is being particularly insufferable lately so I am looking for some ideas on where we can move to without having it rely on one person.

>>51831590
I don't mean it being a stall, I mean that people can't die to having no cards in their library. You can use it and a bunch of other enchantments to create a game that can't be won or lost by anyone.

Outside of that it doesn't do anything.
Also all chaos stuff is a stalling tactic at best unless you can break parity. So find a way to do that or dont run it.

>>51831603
Lgs or restaurant, just make sure with either of them that they are comfortable with you there.

I just had a daughter, what commander is best dad?

>>51830001
>>51829627
Just run Atarka at the front with some damage doublers and xenagod :^)

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>>51826512
>look at colourschemes in the art
>from left to right
> esper > bant > jund > grixis > naya

>>51831654
ghost dad?
>>51831631
I mean the only thing i can think of is throwing it in five color that way no one wants your stuff but you can play everyone else's. there colors are kinda up to chance

>>51831654
Congratulations. Hopefully my gf's pregnacy results a similiar way. I would say either Karn or Gideon.

>>51831687
Assuming it's 1v1 you mean, if two people have the same color deck, or if there is an artifact deck at the table it's all good for them.

If anything five color might have problems with high devotion counts, so it's not a foolproof solution.

>>51831654
Toshiro Umezawa. He was a dad at some point, right?

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>>51831654

>>51831715
Here's hoping, mine miscarried twice before this.
>>51831843
I see your meme dad and raise you GOAT dad and husband.

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>>51831957
Which helps if I post the image. Sleep deprivation is a hell of a thing.

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>>51825254
Jeezus, I need that for my Xenagos

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Bored. Posting a random card.

>>51827366
>5 mana kill your own board then bait out removal
No

>>51833092
>kill your own board
hurf durf i cant use mycoloth hurf durf

>>51832976
Why does WoTC hate Minotaurs so much?

>>51831151
>>Hit my Mind's Desire off Mind's Desire
Now that's spicy

>>51833131
Please tell me your secrets, master of Magic

>>51831151
Nigga I'm gonna need a list ASAP, I've been looking at my precon deciding if I want to build storm or big 'n t h i c c.dec, but this sounds amazing.

All I eant is more skeletons to run in my Athreos skelly tribal. I just need to be stronger. I am losing every damn game to that stupid angel horror or even other tribal decks like merfolk tribal. Give me White/Black power, Wizards! I will also happily settle for help from you lot. Any sneaky tech hidden away where I might not have aeen it? I either need faster killing or more answers for all the bigger creatures I see. I am devoted to skellys though, but other than change that, any tips?

>>51831682
The Ibis wouldn't be Naya.

>>51829555
I do

Tips for any good cards to fuck with an opponents graveyard?

>>51833177
Not him, but the idea is to sac tokens to it and then get twice that many on your next turn.

>>51833875
Rest in peace and ground seal immediately come to mind.

>>51826512
Look at those arts, glorious, GLORIOUS.

This is going to be kind of a vague question but do you guys think there's enough big cmc fun utility human creatures in GW to make a deck?

I'm currently building a Sigarda Humen Tribal but I've noticed that a lot of the humans people use are shitty bears that do nothing except maybe buff each other by a tiny bit. But then there's also creatures like Darien, King of Kjeldor, who actually benefits from hexproof a lot since he's big and somewhat threatening. I feel like I'd need mostly cards like the latter coupled with ramp because of GW's shitty card advantage tools and because face smashing with 2-drops just doesn't work in EDH

Anyone experience with what I'm doing? Any cool rarely used humans to include in this deck?

>>51833939
How is saccing tokens not killing your own board? How will not a single player cast removal on a Mycoloth that has eaten token?

>>51826512
i'm guessing it's monocolors like this, left to right:

>White (it glows yellow, duh)
>Green (snake, deathtouch, it looks green)
>Red (it's orangey, it's an aggressive crocodile)
>Black (it's blackish, also it looks like anubis, god of deth)
>Blue (it's a bird and it's blue, duh)

>>51834100
Baru, white Crovax, Hero of Goma Fada, Kamahl, Lightwielder Paladin, Thalia's Lancers for tutoring and maybe Ojutai Exemplars. Also, Iwamori of the Open Fist? Crowd's Favorites?

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>>51833875
Tormod's Crypt, Relic of Progenitus, Grafdigger's Cage and Nihil Spellbomb for preemptive fucking, Rakdos Charm for reactive fucking (and Shred Memory if you desperately need to stop combos and you're not in Rakdos colors).

Pic related is secret tech to hose certain graveyard strategies. For instance, it completely fucks over Grixis Marchesa.

>>51834112
Saccing 2 eldrazi spawn to mycoloth and him getting removed is a 3 for 1 in the same way that kozilek's predator is a 3 for 1. You should only sacrifice garbage tokens anyway, so it's not that bad. Also, green has hexproof protection.

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>>51832976

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>>51824955

This guy

>>51834198
You still had to spend resources to get those tokens in the first place, and those tokens could've done better things than getting sacced for removal bait. It's not a 3 for 1, but it's still a 1+X for 1.

Only in super weenie hut jr. could you get away with keeping an 8/8 that spawns 4 tokens per turn without anything removing it.

>>51829864
go on theme and whack as many cheap ass artifact creatures in there as you can

>>51834303
Like I said, hexproof is green's thing.

>>51829864
>>51830057
this
she's great in my trostani deck

>>51834312
There are hundreds of cards that become better with hexproof, but that doesn't justify bringing them in the first place.

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>"Protector" of the land
>has to blow up her own lands to make things happen

Post flavor fail commanders

>>51834538
She restores the land and sends her servants to kill the people who destroy it, Doesn't seem like a flavor fail to me.

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Any spicy tech for this rude dude?

>>51834583

Blade of Selves + Creature Token Doublers = a shit ton of damage. I also like Mina and Denn just because if you aren't getting your land drops you can return them to hand and play them again to get your elementals.

>bunch of blue cards left over from Melek
>can't decide whether to use them for Azami or Dralnu

Dralnu looks fucking janky and cool as hell but Azami looks more consistent and has the world's goofiest wincon in LabMan

>play casual edh on xmage US servers
>75% decks with unique themes and gimmicks
>no one plays annoying shit like stax or combo because they know it's not fun for anyone else
>people chatting and doing politics constantly
>everyone owns their decks in paper

>play casual EDH on EU servers
>half the people who join casual games are playing poorly optimized attempts at 100% decks, mana crypts into narsets, 7-turn-ramp into tooth and nail infinite combo, people casting mana drains on other people's commanders, turn 1 thoughtseizes to make people discard their explosive vegetation
>any comment on their deck not being casual or fun is met with "lol?? noob? learn to build deck??"
>any comment on their deck being something they'd never own in paper is met with "lol?? this is xmage, of course i put in 700 dollars of fast mana and tutors"
>everyone actively hates one another and treats the whole thing like it's a tournament or something

the most annoying part is that the EU children actually think they are good at deckbuilding when they win by infinite combo in a game with a group hug deck and a deathtouch tribal. i guess they get rekt by said casual decks often enough that they think they fit in just fine. or maybe they're just socially retarded and have never played the game in paper

>>51834796
>>play casual edh on xmage US servers
>>75% decks with unique themes and gimmicks
>>no one plays annoying shit like stax or combo because they know it's not fun for anyone else
>>people chatting and doing politics constantly
>>everyone owns their decks in paper

i play on US server and i can confirm this is a lie. at least 50% of people run $3000+ dollar decks with try hard turn 4 infinite combos.

>>51834822
weird, i could swear US is less retarded

maybe it's the time i play. i'm eu myself so maybe i'm playing with fewer kids whenever i queue on america. or something

>>51834822
I've never seen anyone play stax on xmage
I've seen Daretti turn 4 land destruction BS, but no stax

>>51834859
i get the occasional genius who has found the clever strategy of playing derevi and winter orb

i wish they'd errata derevi out of existence so that ignorant morons cant accidentally build her

>>51834796
This is the complete fucking opposite of the truth. EU server is full of chilled-out coolguys who just want to have a good time. The Woogerworks server is saturated with tryhards.

>>51834572
>sends her servants to kill the people who destroy it
Except the only way to really get her going is to sacrifice your own lands through fetches and things like Lotus Vale. Just feels weird that an elemental guardian of the land would blow up her own land for an army

>>51834956
YOU blow up her land and she sends the army.

>>51834963
but she doesn't send them to kill YOU

>>51831404
>>51833484
Literally threw it together with cards I had.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/has-science-gone-too-far/

There's a lot of "bad" cards that are in there because I wanted to play goofy, fun cards (Unexpected Results, Fortune's Favor, etc) so prune as needed.

Deck goes real nutty real quick and doesn't even need Yidris, but if connects the amount of value you get is insane.

The landbase is just what I had so tune it if needed.

>>51834112
Well it's not really killing your board because your board will be back and doubled in size by your next turn. As far as keeping him alive until that turn, there are billions of ways to protect your creatures. If he doesn't live, all well, that's just part of the game.

>>51831151
You do know that copied spells don't count towards Storm, right?

>>51835058
Yes but certain spells specify that you're "casting" a copy (Eye of the Storm, Mizzix's Mastery), so they add to storm count.

>>51834355
Wut? That seems like a pointless distinction. It's not like you're packing hexproof for specifically that one creature.

>>51834859
i literally said nothing about stax, do you miss read your cards too?

>>51825151
Degenerate Eggs

>>51825151
Funny you should ask

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/d-o-y-o-u-r-e-a-l-l-y-w-a-n-t-t-o-h-u-r-t-m-e/

>>51825144
whats the best sort of deck for this fella? is he good as a commander?

>>51835093
>>>no one plays annoying shit like stax or combo because they know it's not fun for anyone else
>>i play on US server and i can confirm this is a lie.
hmm... we have another retard getting angry for no reason

I bet you're not very fun to play with

>>51835153
She.

And your best bet is either ramping into her and giving her a power boost so she can oneshot people, or just go face-wrecking durgonz.

>>51835175
>i play on US server and i can confirm this is a lie. at least 50% of people run $3000+ dollar decks with try hard turn 4 infinite combos.
>at least 50% of people run $3000+ dollar decks with try hard turn 4 infinite combos.
>$3000+ dollar decks with try hard turn 4 infinite combos.
>infinite combos
>COMBOS

i literally was not talking about stax, the only reason stax is even in my post is because i copied the whole thing. your reading comprehension skills are abysmal

>>51835041
Thanks man! I'm not looking to make a super-serious Yidris deck anyway, 'cause some of my group has been grumbling recently about how aggressive all of my decks are. Goofy is perfect.

>>51835182
lul mb, got into magic just after khans block so i dont know the lore. face-wrecking durgonz does sound pretty fun.

>>51835445
If you wanna go whole-hog on dragons, I might recommend running Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund, and putting Atarka in the 99. Karrthus can sometimes steal a dragon from an opponent, and gives you access to a lot of neat dragons you don't have in RG (like Kokusho, Skittles, Bladewing the Risen, Kolaghan 1.0, Broodmate Dragon, Hellkite Overlord)

>>51835474
And Karrthus with stuff like Blades of Velis Vel is always a good time.

>>51835474
Also, descent of the dragons is pretty hilarious with karrthus

Jarad or BUG Sidisi for self-mill? No tasigur because he is boring

>>51835936
Probably Sidisi, if only because she gives you access to blue.

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To make this fucker less vulnerable to wipes, I'm taking out most of my creature ramp and replacing it with land ramp.

So far I have: Sakura Tribe Elder, Coiling Oracle, Wood Elves, Farhaven Elves, Yavimaya Elder, Solemn Simulacrum, Oracle of Mul Daya, Explosive Vegetation, Nissa's Pilgrimage, and a Burgeoning.

Am I missing anything obvious? Needs to be reasonably budget. Mana rocks and enchantments are also generally no good, since Bane of Progress is way too clutch in my meta.

>>51835989
The problem with that is if you go too whole-hog on ramp spells you have a bad chance of whiffing on your Cascades. Turn 5 Wanderer is great- turn 5 Wanderer cascading into Sakura Tribe Elder and Rampant Growth is not.

>>51835989
>worrying about maelstrom wanderer being susceptible to wipes
My friend, YOU are the one board wiping and restabilizing after, not them!

>>51836004
Well there's a fair bit of topdeck manipulation in there. But I am curious to know how many ramp spells are too many?

>>51835989
Tbh, I just used all the signets possible, only the most staple ramp spells and then a boundless realms and that was plenty for old wanderer.

The rest was filled with 5-6 drops I could cascade into

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lazy-ass-procreation/

Judge. This is the deck a friend and I have been working for a few months now. I don't really have a budget, but I like to keep it easy. That's the current build on paper, but I'm thinking on taking something out for the bow of nylea.

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>>51826512
>WE'VE GOT X
>Predicting
anon... I...

>>51835989
Yavimaya Elder is not ramp
Nissa's Pilgrimage is worse than Cultivate and Kodama's Reach
Burgeoning is not worth it unless you have a lot of card draw

Missing staples: Rampant Growth, Farseek, Nature's Lore, Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, Skyshroud Claim, Sol Ring, Temple of the False God
Useful alongside cascade: Verdant Confluence, Boundless Realms, Nissa's Renewal
Situationally better: Primal Growth, Search for Tomorrow, Explore, Harrow

How many double color lands do I need in a 2 color deck? Can I just use a bunch of basics and mana rocks?

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Anyone here have any experience with pic related? I have a special place in my heart for oldschool, non-token white weenie and she seems like the perfect embodiment of that. I know she's far from an optimal deck, but I'm just looking for a cheap, fun deck, at the moment.

>>51836329
>Temple of the False God

It's far from a staple and I cut it from almost every deck. The extra mana you get is not really worth it compared to the amount of times it's just a dead card in your hand.

Also Spelljack is good for Maelstrom Wanderer. Either you cascade into it, counter your Maelstrom Wanderer, and recast him for more cascades or you steal a good spell elsewhere.

>>51836340
You absolutely can, it's just not going to be optimal. It's easier if one of the colors is green for obvious reasons, but it is doable in other colors.

I'll tell you this, though. It only takes getting color screwed a few times for multicolored lands to start looking like a really good idea. Don't let not having a super tuned land base discourage you from playing a deck you really like, but understand that, while good lands are expensive, they're an investment that pays off in a more consistently enjoyable and less frustrating game experience.

>>51836004
a meh set of cascades at turn 5 is still better than a good set of cascades at turn 7. i don't consider maelstrom to be about getting ~sick cascades~ as much as i think he's about ramping up and overwhelming your opponent with just pure value. it doesn't really matter if you cascade into your 5-7 drops or if cascade into ramp & draw that lets you hardcast them.

cascade into ramp? cool, you can use that to cast more 5-7 drops next turn

cascade into draw? cool, you can use that to cast more 5-7 drops next turn

cascade into a 5-7 drop? really cool, you now have a 5-7 drop.

if you don't put those helpful 1-5 drops into your deck, what are you going to do the first 7 turns of the game? wait around playing 1 land a turn while waiting for your commander cast? i guess good on you if that works in your meta, but in mine i'd like to go off at turn 4-6 rather than 7-9.

my maelstrom deck has about 15 ramp spells, 8-ish utility spells and 8-ish draw spells and it runs like a charm, with or without cascades

>>51836282
What's wrong?

>>51836421
Do come into play tapped lands count?

>>51835117
I wish I could look at this deck, but I'm stuck at work. Would you mind posting the highlights?

>>51835212
Anon, combo is the second easiest archetype to build, with only Voltron being easier to assemble. Every faggot wants a pub stomp deck filled with 2 card combos.

>>51836348
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lin-sivvi-rebel-hatebears/

List I've been running for years albeit it isn't cheap. You could probably swap the Planeswalkers for more token makers, cut the Crucible package, and swap out the expensive equipment for cheaper ones and it'll be pretty budget.

>>51826512
You got it all wrong buddy

>Kitty
Bant
>Snek
Naya
>Gator
Jund
>Pupper
Grixis
>Berd
Esper

or

>Kitty
W
>Snek
G
>Gator
R
>Pupper
B
>Berd
U

>>51836496
You can use them, sure. Here, check this video out. They guy is a bit of an acquired taste, and your mileage may vary, but this is at least a good jumping off point for 2 color edh land bases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDc4v7sDaQY

Just bear in mind that this sort of land base is a goal, not a requirement. You can still run a 2 color EDH deck with mostly basics. It's just not gonna be optimal.

>>51836329
Thank you

>>51836357
Spelljack is very spicy, I love it

>>51836439
I like the sound of that spread. Ever find that 15 ramp is too much?

Are voltron and token decks just too fragile to be viable? Somehow I think that with 3 other people on the table there are bound to be a few board wipes or "bounce back to your hand"

I'm about to order some cards off MagicCardMarket, but I've never done it before, since I usually get my shit off of TCGplayer. Is it generally worth paying extra for tracked purchases (getting it shipped from France to UK), and using the Trustee service?

>>51836842
typically it's not necessary to use tracked shipments. only really worth it if you're buying from a shady seller or buying some really expensive order. they're mostly there to protect the seller, not the buyer. sellers generally do not want to fuck up their reputation by screwing you over

i've bought like 500 euros worth of cards there with basically all untracked shipments and haven't gotten screwed over once

>>51836768
>Ever find that 15 ramp is too much?

not really. it does suck to cascade into two 2-drops but it happens very rarely and is well worth the speed increase the deck gets

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Does any of you play with Plane cards? How is it?
I'm planning on buying Planechase Anthology for those sweet commanders, staples and planes cards

>>51836498
It's just a bunch of damage reflecting things. Deflecting Palm, Kor Chant, Mirror Strike. The idea is to respond to a big attack with something like Mirror Strike, and pay for Shu Yun to give your target double strike so it domes your opponent twice instead of you once. There's other "you did this to yourself" cards like Gather Specimens, Parallectric Feedback, and Spelljack.

>>51836891
So pass on the Trustee service as well? Guys I'm buying from have 100+ sales with Outstanding service.

>>51836820
It depends on the meta. In some places there's enough mass removal that tokens are tough, but forcing them to use Damnations to clear their own board or get wrecked by your Voltron is strong. In other areas there's enough single-dude disruption to fuck up Voltron, but not enough mass removal to dissuade tokens. It depends on your group.

>>51836898
It varies. I like it because it creates more big, memorable situations (like casting Vindicate on the entire board), so if you like battlecruiser Magic it's great for that

Other people fucking hate it for the same reason super-competitive Smash players hate stages like Hyrule Temple, and items like 'all of them': it adds an element of randomness that can totally derail games. I've had games where we started on Hedron Fields of Agadeem and rolled Chaos twice, and the next person rolled off. Now the guy untaps on turn 2 with a pair of 7/7 Annihilators.

>>51836820
I've found the two can complement each other's weaknesses.

>>51836918
Just go for the cheapest option. If they get damaged or lost, the seller will refund you or send new copies 99% of the time because they're afraid of negative feedback

>>51836918
Different Anon here, I buy and sell from magiccardmarket all the time.

orders over 20 euros per card are always tracked which is fine but for the rest you don't have to bother.

pro-tip: try to avoid italy or greece if you want something delivered quickly.

>>51836918
>>51836999
likewise, this should be obvious but do not screw over the seller either. we have a good thing going here with MCM, don't let us get jewed like the americans

>>51836918
Also use the want's lists + the shopping wizard.
makes everything easier.

>>51836898
>>51836958
I'm of the opinion it's awesome but not every game, maybe like once a session past originally giving it a go if that. it can be your warm up/waiting for more players game

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Is this actually good compared to Rampant Growth/Farseek/Nature's Lore?
The land enters untapped, it can be a non-basic and it's not a dead draw lategame but you need the land on your hand and it doesn't really colorfix.

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>>51832976
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.

>>51837129
i guess you are already runing kodama and/or cultivate?
or is it of high importance to have a 2cmc ramp spell?

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>>51836820
Voltron decks are highly dependent on the commander. They need to be either fast/comb out, or inbuilt protection

pic related is my favorite. Flickerform, or totem armor (Rancor) make Sigarda insanely hard to remove.

>>51837129
I mean I'd rather have an effect that let's me play an extra land every time for another 1 or 2 mana and run the other stuff for color fixing. It's definitley not bad but i don't really see a reason toplay it over say, burgeoning or exploration, azuza etc.unless you're playing a spells deck

>>51834112
Have you considered not sacrificing all of your creatures? You sac like 3, tops.

>>51837169
It would be for ramp.dec so it's on top of those and a bunch of others.

>>51837178
Those cards don't produce more lands on their own, I'm mostly considering Explore because it cantrips and replaces itself.

>>51834188
How does that completely hose Marchesa? It counters one triggered ability, which stops a single creature from coming back.

Sac decks are just as degenerate as artifact decks and just as unfun to play against.

Either everyone makes it their goal to stop them from doing anything, which makes them have no fun or they eventually become unstoppable and they always win.

Literally every game goes like this with these stupid archetypes

>>51837295
>someone casts a board wipe or removal on Marchesa
>the Marchesa player has to place her in the graveyard for her ability to activate, since going to the command zone is a replacement effect before hitting the graveyard
>Marchesa's last ability activates on herself
>cast Trickbind on it
>Marchesa is now stuck in the graveyard

Most Marchesa decks don't even contain any regular recursion so she usually gets stuck there for the rest of the game.

>>51837177
>buttercup
>not bubbles

>>51837129
It's worth running in momo G, RG, WG, or WRG as a cheap draw spell that sometimes incidentally ramps.

Usually play aggro/combo shit, want to try Pillowfort.
Any recommendations for Commanders?

>>51837291
i think you already analysed possible problems with the card yourself. As it is a cantrip i dont think it can really hurt you, at the same time it would probably be one of the first cards id replace.
kind of depends how many more cards you try to fit in imo.

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>>51836588
>expecting wedges after khans
Anon, I...

>>51837383
>people actually play Marchesa decks without recursion
As a Marchesa player, this makes me sick.

>>51837506
Check out EDHREC, bro. 6 cards with recursion on the entire page, and not a single one above 25% inclusion.

>>51837422
To be fair, while Bubbles works better with Auras, Buttercup already has a fuckload of built-in protection, and is in better colors FOR Auras and aura support.

>>51837477
>shards = edges

shut it, mongrel

>>51837581
That's so sad. Phyrexian Delver and Corpse Dance are such powerhouses in my Marchesa deck, and they don't even show up on EDHREC.

>>51827351
He'll yeah

>>51837743
That's because EDHREC is a feedback loop of bad decks.

>>51837459
Angus Mackenzie

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>>51837477
Those are shards you uncultered sub-human

>>51837635
>>51838080
H-haha, g-gotcha, I was o-only pretending to be r-retarded.

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>>51837791
>He'll yeah

>>51837929
Isn't that also saying Tappedout.net is the same since EDHREC gets its statistics from tappedout?

And if that's the case, then where do you even go to find good cards for commander? I certainly can't pour over 10,000 different cards every time I have a new idea

>>51838609
Not EDHREC, because like I said, it creates a feedback loop. People check it to see popular cards for a deck, and put those cards in their deck, which bumps the numbers on REC even higher.

REC isn't bad for getting an idea of staples for a specific Commander (like Unspeakable Symbol in Marchesa), but it's not the place to find spicy secret tech

>>51838609
EDHREC = every single deck from Tappedout no matter the quality
Tappedout sorted by score or views = quality decks made by people who know their shit (usually)

>>51826512
Cat = W or Bant
Ibis = U or Esper
Croc = B or Jund
Jackal = R or Grixis
Snake = G or Naya

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>>51827326
Giant Adephage

>>51830602
I've had fun with Rafiq, but Bant may give you some nasty looks. After all, Bant is the most U/G/X deck of them all.

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>>51827326
Because you always have lots of mana in gruul.

>>51838609
>I certainly can't pour over 10,000 different cards every time I have a new idea
If you can't be bothered to do the work then don't complain when your deck is shit

>>51837743
Can I see your list? Fellow marchesa anon that also runs normal recursion, want to see what someone else good runs.

I don't run corpse dance though, mainly cause I don't want to deal with the hassle of keeping my graveyard in order.

>>51826512
They look so fucking stupid.

So I tried to get a friend of mine off hearthstone and into MTG using EDH, but recently he came to me with a proposal for a "special" ruleset. It's just kitchen table play so I know it doesn't really matter, but can anyone see any glaring flaws in this?
1: Build a deck of 30 cards using the same rules as the normal EDH format, excluding any basic land cards.
2: Get a big of basic lands.
3: Every turn, in addition to the card you draw from your deck, select any basic land with the same colours as your command and play it untapped.

Basically he's fine with special lands that do extra things, but wants to implement a minimum 1-per-turn mana ramp, thoughts?

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okay fuck god damn it, i need to blog a bit. feel free to scroll past if you do not care about my monoblack madness.

this is like the 5th time i'm rebuilding my monoblack. i've gone from endrek to sidisi to kokusho to gonti to yahenni. i'm still not happy with it. i've decided to try out building one of these 3 commanders now since they seem to work better with my 99. sell me on one of them, please

here's what my 99 is like

>tons of creature hate
>tons of draw
>tons of ramp & mana doublers
>some reanimation, favoring stuff that picks from every grave

here are the pros and cons i can think for each one:

kuon
>nice and simple, gives me ez creature hate, doesn't take much to activate
>doesn't do much either, not very interesting and will probably produce groan
>spice levels very low

ink-eyes
>fun rat ninja flavor
>reanimates from opposing graves, spicy and works well with my creature hate theme
>regenerate lets me keep it alive really well in with swifties and stuff
>my friends don't play that many goodstuffy creatures so not sure how helpful that reanimation is

lim-dul
>spice levels off the chart, hardly ever see this creature even mentioned
>costs a lot of mana but i'm in monoblack so who gives a shit
>oh but my friends still play janky tribal shit so reanimating their shit isn't that great
>it's really cool though
>but not very strong though
>but really cool

or you know, recommend me something else that loves creature hate in monoblack. not kalitas though, he would make my reanimator friends sad. i'd prefer not to switch up my 99 too much either

thanks in advance

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/king-of-carrot-flowers/

Normally I like my decks to have some spice, but for Ghave? Well it's a Ghave deck. I'm not making any obvious error, am I? Aside from being budget on black tutors. I'll splurge once I figure out if I'm getting fucked for tax season or not.

>>51839513
Obviously that shit is not balanced at all and he is using it to try and replicate hearthstones guaranteed resource system. A little bit more balanced system I have heard people kick around is having a lands deck and a nonland deck, and you choose which one to draw from every time.

That being said you can have fun however you want. Just don't be surprised if people call you retarded.

>>51839409
>>51838633
Yall niggas need to learn how to use EDHREC. Look for not so obvious synergies and basic gameplan for commanders. Build the rest yourself. Anyone who asserts people netdeck with EDHREC is a liar.

>>51838853
This is horseshit. Like any other scoring system it's a popularity contest based on how gimmicky of a theme you can force or how hard you can netdeck.

>>51839513
30 cards is retarded if you can still include 4 copies, combo would be far too strong.

>>51839513
Tell your friend to stop being a faggot and Magic if he wants to play Magic, not some bastardized Hearthstone spawn.

>>51839513
he is trying to turn mtg into hearthstone. its fine for super casul but it can be abused super hard. you should eventually change it to draw one or a land, to ween him off of hearthstone.

>>51839691
its edh format, so its singleton

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>>51839528
Hythonia the Cruel.

>>51839513
this is heavily hindering Green which's all about ramp, and really helping black who love devotion.

Also with just 30 cards and starting 7, drawing cards will be extremely powerful.

>>51839791
Mill would also probably be the strongest archetype.

>>51839437
Sure, I can probably upload it later. Keep an eye out.

I totally understand not wanting to run Corpse Dance, considering how much it increases the complexity of what you have to keep track of. It's come in too clutch for me to take it out, though.

>>51839513
One of the biggest flaw I see is that the rules seems to be just like Heartstone.

So in the end you're not helping him getting into magic (cause he won't learn the stuff about mana fixing, and balancing colors and stuff), but instead will just play "Heartstone but with cards not made for Heartstone".

>>51839513
Deckbuilding is a massive part of magic, and being able to balance lands is part of it. But you're looking to have fun, not git gud, so let's skip to some obvious errors:

Here are just a few issues:
You now have 7 cards, if one isn't a one-drop, you hit max handsize. Mill is now extremely deadly. Trep Blade, Goblin Char Belcher, Treasure Hunt, etc. are now unworkable. Multi-draw effects are now rediculous since no draws can be dead draws. Ramp spells don't work, technically.

But if you want to make a format where babbies are granted sanctuary from mana screw/flood, I guess you could "fix" it by:
>Starting hand is now 4, max hand is still 7
>Each player has a spells deck of minimum 30 and maximum 40 and a land deck of whatever else is available out of 100. Land deck is played face up, is shuffled, and must remain in order unless an effect would change it (You can shuffle it whenever you'd shuffle a deck, but not whenever like rearranging cards in your hand) you may play one card from it a turn as if it were in your hand.. Maybe a rule about basics?
>Initial draw is from your spells deck
>If a spell or effect would cause you to draw a card, roll a d6. 1 or 6: you draw from your land deck; 2,3,4, or 5: you draw from your spell deck. If a spell or effect would involve your deck, same rules apply. (Additional level of risk, as you might accidentally scry your land deck, lob a ramp spell at your spell deck or a tutor at your land deck) (Permanents shuffled into decks are automatically shuffled into appropriate decks.)

I don't know, seems like a mess which would still need a lot of fine tuning, but so was frontier, and I still kind of want to play /it/ (Frontier where you shuffle everyone's lands and make a grid, not nu-modern)

>>51839684
Are netdecks inherently bad for some reason?

Is there any reason to use oviya pashiri over titania, protector of argoth?

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>>51839528
Her name means underworld dread
Anowon but better
Free recursion
Unblockable with Urborg

>>51839985
Netdecking encourages hiveminding into the best builds, and as more and more netdeck,the less variety you will see in decks.

We've all seen "that" oloro, derevi, ezuri, etc deck.

Very rarely will you see one that ISN'T using a card in the "signature card" or "top card" section

>>51839684
>Using EDHREC for 'not so obvious synergies'
motherfucker have you ever even looked at EDHREC? Literally all it shows is the most common and popular shit.

>>51840268

what a fucking retarded question, please nobody answer this, i want this retard to be mulling this over for a long time

>>51840276
It's hard to argue with the frightening waifu of death as your mono-black Commander...

>>51839985
Jein. In other formats, refusing to use the best options available to you because someone else thought of it first is just fucking stupid (especially since whatever 'rogue brew' you have was probably already considered, tested, and discarded by better players).

In EDH, it's more understandable to frown upon it, since GENERALLY the point of the format is unique decks and interesting games. If your focus is winning, there's not a 'problem' with using tried-and-true builds and advice, but when you want to play against unique and interesting things and keep playing against samey shit that's no more than 10 cards deviant from every other version of that deck, it can be frustrating.

>>51839985
netdecking is bad in the sense that you'll end up with a deck that you don't like

i typically start building my new decks out of netdecks but i instantly dump all the cards i don't like and then build on top of that.

my dimir reanimator was completely fabricated out of nothing though. it's a pretty unique deck that mills itself with looter effects and casts spells that reanimate the entire GY. i love that deck because it's one of its kind, no other dimir deck is built like that afaik

>>51839528
I built Lim-Dûl and it's pretty stronk. I just threw in basically every generic artifact ramp card I could, since no magus/coffers with the general game plan of nuking the board, reanimating their shit, then reanimating all graveyards and doing it again. Just watch out, you can get manafuxked real easy if you aren't ready and Limmy is super fragile for 7 mana.

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>>51840354
>Dimir reanimator
>mills itself and reanimates
>Unique

>>51839513
Disgusting. He's identified the resource system as flawed because it takes more thought to get a smoothly flowing deck than he is likely aware of. EDH is the worst introduction to magic and leads to poor understanding of the game and it's mechanics. Whatever you do, do not humor ridiculous custom rules.

EDH is just as prone to homogeneity and centralizing as any other format, it has just been a slow process.

Alright boys, without getting all weird like those guys in custom card general, what type of commander in what colors are you begging for?

For example, I've been dreaming of a Jund "lands matter" legend, to play Gitrog alongside Molten Vortex. I know I can just play Xira as sort've a "goodstuff" commander but that's not as cool....

>>51836535
Hmm. Looks like a good deck, no doubt, but not exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks, though!

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>>51840268
excuse me?

>>51840268
It's a little bit harder to build a deck around the latter.

>>51840376
you're underselling it a little bit

you do not know how committed i am to casting living death, reanimating 10 creatures, resolving ETBs including an archeomancer, picking up the living death from my grave, then saccing my board and casting living death again and repeating the process

show me ONE deck that does the same on tappedout

>>51840396
rakdos haste enabler / reanimator commander

rakdos has shitty options for face smashing reanimator decks even though it's one of the things it should excel at

>>51840443
Haven't seen that on tappedout, but i've heard of that combo before

>>51840464
name ONE deck that plays Flash and Keiga, Tide Star

>>51840396
GB mana sink commander. Just something I can feed 10 billion mana into and win the game. My heart wants a "frost" effect for like 2GB, but my dick wants destroy target permanent for 4GB.

>>51840477
Name one deck that uses lands.

>>51840443
Wow, Living Death in a U/B Reanimator deck? That's some hardcore tech, man. Next thing you're gonna tell me you cast Traumatize on yourself, or that you run Rise from the Dark Realms.

>>51840506
name ONE deck that runs Wake the Dead and Lifeline

>>51840396
Anything interesting enough to be built around in Abzan instead of just "dude +1/+1 counters lmao".

Doran comes close but he's too much all or nothing and doesn't have enough support.

>>51840544
Dude, your deck is not unique. "UB Self-mill reanimator" is not a unique deck just because you have Cavern Harpy in it for no reason other than to pretend you're a snowflake. You might as well brag on your R/G ramp-into-fatties deck, or your Esper deck with a heavy Artifact theme.

>>51840558
To be fair, neither Teneb nor Karador are "dude +1/+1 counters lmao"

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>>51840573
haha gotcha, my ramp into fatties deck is actually RGU with a very heavy RG focus

also stop disagreeing with me you fuck

>>51840268
I think the reason you're catching some shit for this is that, despite both of them being mono-green token makers, they're pretty different from each other.

Really, the thing they most have in common is that they do much better in the 99 than they do in the Command Zone. Oviya is a strictly worse Rhys, The Redeemed and while Titania is by no means a BAD commander, I have trouble imagining why you wouldn't just build Angry Omnath and put her in it.

>>51840589
True, but I wouldn't call them interesting enough to be built around. They're just generic creature recursion.

>>51840558
Anafenza hatebears or Karador/Teneb recursion are the only others I can think of.

>>51840573
name ONE r/g deck that runs Wood Elemental, you can't, cause I'm the only one!

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>>51840457
>rakdos haste enabler
I mean the rest of her ability is useless outside of an opponent running relentless rats, shadowborn apostle, or some sort of janky combo, but she certainly gives things haste.

>>51840655
aaaaaaaaaaa delete this

>>51840396
Boros Spellslinger. Artifact and enchantment hate, probably. Something that breaks all your opponents fancy toys.

Of course, with how quickly Shattergang Bros always seem to get blown out, I doubt it would fare well. Still, there's a lot of unexplored space in RW, and I'd like to see it.

>>51840396
A boros commander that isn't just "lol doublestrike"

>>51839437
Not that specific anon, but I link to think I'm not terrible.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-downward-spiral-4/

>>51840396
A proper U/R Artifact Commander

A Boros commander that isn't just "DUDE COMBAT LMAO"

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>>51840396
>Molten Vortex
>Not Seismic Assault

>>51840497
Ishkanah is a mana sink

>>51840396
Legendary Jellyfish.

Probably U/B.

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>>51840497
Sisters of Stone Death, maybe? Force everybody to block her, chew 'em up and spit 'em out on your side?

>>51840929
I really want this card to be good, but she costs so fucking much and you have to pay so much mana to 'use' her.

also I already have a G/B deck

>>51840966
Yeah. It's very cool and basically unusable. Same with their Selesnya counterpart, Chorus of the Conclave.

>>51840396
Any interesting 2+ color commander with a CMC of 1 or 2. Right now there's only Karlov.

>>51841379
I think an issue there is at a CMC of 1 or 2, they can't be very STRONG on their own, so they'd have to do something very unique to be worth caring about.

>>51841379
Gatherer is literally perfect for this kind of question, but from top of my head I know there's that one boros partner and ayli, eternal pilgrim.

>>51841379
>Gaddock Teeg
>Both Syggs
>Nin, The Pain Artist
All interesting. I'd say most of them more interesting than Uncle Karl

>>51841379
Also skullbriar

>>51841379
>Teeg and Rhys
>not interesting
Disappointed

>>51841379
There's Rhys, but it's not very unique. Just run ramp and tokens

>>51841379
>not liking Skullbriar
Lmao

>>51839232

How does this interact with blade of selves

>>51841841
Hilariously! They're all copies of Giant Adephage, so they all could potentially make tokens!

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Post cards that never work like you want, in a mill deck obviously

>>51841379
Trashios lmao

New bread when?

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I am building a Sydri deck based on animating artifacts, but I wanna add in some combos.

Would these be too oppressive for a fairly casual meta? Too many for such a group?

For tutors I have Fabricate,Treasure Mage, Trinket Mage, Trophy Mage, no black ones.
For protection I have Leonin Abunas, Padeem, Consul of Innovation (no lattice).

>>51842761
>>51842761
>>51842761
NEW THREAD

>>51841841
Very well. The copies are not themselves temporary, it's only that the effect that created them ALSO created a delayed trigger to get rid of them later- but ONLY them. Specifically, the tokens created by Myriad. If you were to copy the Myriad tokens (such as the token making a token copy of itself), THOSE copies will remain, because nothing says otherwise. So basically, assuming 3 opponents, you chuck an Adephage at everyone, and any Adephage that connects leaves behind a much more long-lived buddy.

>>51842747
Do Sydri + Aetherflux resivoir combo, do it faggot