Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

The Orks strike first! Fuck I2!

>>51805158
That's fucking cancerous.

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>>51805176

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Judge my list.

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>>51805158

First for best primarch

>>51805198
That's just embarrassing.

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>>51805198
Wrong, sorry.

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Anyone have a decent PDF for the Deathwatch Codex?

>>51805158
What's the deal with Thousand Sons getting healed?

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>>51805198
Mmmhhhhh No.

>>51805198
You're far too late. Orks got two turns before you did.
>>51805197
>Psykana Division
>Missing the Wyrdvanes that are not only required but make Psykana Div useful

Stop using Webroster and either look at your codex, or look at Battlescribe which'll throw you an error for fucking up. And don't mix HWS weapons. The Skyshield isn't worth it without a flyer, and the Bastion is only slightly better.
Otherwise you're not too bad. I'd put a special weapon in each infantry squad, but that's my personal preference.

>>51805234
Its the IA Psykana, not the IG.

>>51805244
Fair enough. Why GW insists on having multiple armies have multiple identically-named formations using the same unit(s) *with different benefits* I'll never understand.

Take the IG Psykana if you can free up the points. Harnessing on a 2+ with Perils immunity is retardedly good.

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>>51805158
So what even is the Mandrake Dimension is it a part of the warp or it's own bit of self contained Commorragh?

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For the Prophet of the Dead God!

>>51805232

its still the One will be redeemed and one will fall

Redeemed bets

>Magnus
>Alpharius
>Lion

Betrayer bets
>Lion
>Russ
>Dorn

>>51805232
Yvraiine showed up Ahriman, made his Rubric buddies alive with their pre-heresy minds and then threw them into the warp.

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>>51805198

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>>51805232
>>51805277
Don't fuck with best girl

>>51805122

Thing is, a Deathstar is always going to be like that, but now they can hold a relic or one of the expensive objectives, and thus win the game there and not need to be a problem anywhere else, since they're already an almost insurmountable problem where it matters.

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>>51805232

>>51805276
It's gonna be Alpharius (Omegon) and probably the Kahn who becomes Traitor

>>51805276
>its still the One will be redeemed and one will fall

Eat a dick for spreading this rumoe. Someone on /tg/ made it up and you guys keep shovelling like around.

The wording in the book gives Strength from Death to the non-eldar Sslyth and Ur-Ghul. Ynnead takes all comers, I guess

>>51805277
>pre-heresy minds and then threw them into the warp.

They weren't pre-heresy. The Rubric was done POST HH. /tg/ stop sucking at the lore PLEASE.

>>51805314
>The Kahn
More like the who.

There are guardsmen with more plot relevance.

Where do I find Beast Hunter rules?

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>>51805291
>>51805305
Complete tech-novice here, but why are these two images the same picture but with different sizes? If two people are saving the original image then why wouldn't they be the exact same?

>>51805197
Put your heavy weapons inside the squads, they are too fragile and easy to target in your list otherwise.

Also ally in Jacobus to make sure your dudes don't go running. He has a 12 inch bubble of Fearless and Counter-Attack.

Also get rid of the Company Command Squad Astropaths and ally in Imperial Agents Astropaths. They are Independent Characters and can join your blobs to be safer.

>>51805326
Well I mean, they're already using it to revive dead marines and Primarchs.

Are Daemon Primarchs confirmed to show or no?

>>51805349
The original was ~5000x3000.

Different resizing.

>>51805324
calm down fartward with 12 years old, >>>/v/ is over there

evil geedubs didn't touched your dick

>>51805275
Horatio 4 lyf

>>51805326
Well Ynnead did bring back those Thousand Sons and Guilliman. Slaanesh was birthed from the Eldar but accepts all worshippers across all races. Basically, 40k gods aren't racist.

Except for Emps.

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>>51805368
Nope, totally debunked, absolutely no hold in it.

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>>51805232
The prophet of the new Eldar god healed a few Rubric Marines in front of Ahriman, even going so far as to restore their souls and remember who they were...only so she could throw them into the Warp while Ahriman watched and couldn't do a goddamn thing.

She literally healed them JUST to punish Ahriman by killing them eternally.

I'm starting to think this girl is actually an Eldar after all.

>>51805371
I guess that makes sense. Thanks!

>>51805386
No, you're right, Big E isn't a god

>>51805373
It ain't about /tg/ or GW. It's about you spreading baseless rumours from nowhere and not eating a dick.

Eat a fdick now. Do it, fgt.

>>51805386
>Guilliman
He wan't dead and it was AdMech and Commorite science that put him back on his feet.

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>>51805368
Nah. Complete bullshit.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/magnus-the-red

Nor are regular primarchs.

>>51805396
She's best Eldar girl

Best human girl is Celestine or Greyfax

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>>51805399
I wonder who's behind this post?

>>51805399
If he wasn't a god, then why would he be testing our faith by denying his own divinity? Checkmate, heretic.

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>>51805414
Yncarne isn't a DE. She is a cutie.

>>51805389
Don't talk to me or my son or my son's son ever again

>>51805414
He was pretty much dead.

And it was Yvraine and Cawl working together that fixed him.

>>51805389
What is the smaller one? Epic scale?

>>51805405

>Autistic Screeching

>>51805438
He isn't 100% fixed. He has a life support system glued on his back.

>>51805431
>If he wasn't a god, then why would he be testing our faith by denying his own divinity? Checkmate, heretic.

Or, more honestly, if he isn't a god, why does praying to him work, and how are Living Saints a thing?

>>51805432
>She
Don't box xir in.

>>51805444
All I hear is the sounds of dicks not being eaten.

>>51805440
It was the alternative size they were going to make him.

They then decided that a Daemon Prince named Magnus should probably live up to his name.

>>51805425
The Emperor and everyone who knew him personally.

I swear Russ is going to find a way to fuck everything up.

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>>51805425

>>51805465
>and everyone who knew him personally.

Nobody did, except for MAYBE Malcador.

That was kind of one of the major issues that led to the Horus Heresy happening.

How hard would it be to ally in some Death watch Terminators to a Chaos Marine army? I really like the non-codex compliant unit sizes and tech-heresy weapon mixing and usage.

>>51805405

>So fucking triggered

Even the chaos cheetahfag from /m/ is a better vision than this

>>51805431
Fuck off Lorgar and take the RP-fags with you to >>51765194

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Alright, I done a really quick and dirty colour edit to test my DA successor paint scheme. What do you guys think?

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>>51805477

>>51805449
It's pretty much confirmed that Yahweh exists in 40K.

>Kane and Abel is real (MoM)
>The Great Flood is real (Vengeful Spirit)
>Olly Pius, who is a True Perpetual and personally knows the Emperor and knows about the existence of the Chaos Gods, believes in Jesus and Yahweh

>There exists a place called the Well of Eternity which is a mystery to even Tzeentch himself. He fears going inside because it might destroy him, a Chaos God. It's said that the Well of Eternity is the origin of all existence (God's realm?)

>>51805503
Seems pretty good. I think the splash of green on the knees and the black shoulderpad really help it out.

>>51805525
>Kane and Abel is real (MoM)

This isn't WWE, Anon. It's Cain.

>>51805496
People repeating lies again and again gets people believing they are true.

Okay lets examine this lie. Where does the "One falls, one rises" thing comes from? Answer me.

>>51805477
Actually, Olly and Alvia knew the Emperor personally and they loath the guy.

>>51805486
Come the Apocalypse.

Units treat each other as ‘enemy units’ that cannot be charged, shot, attacked in close combat, or targeted with psychic powers. This means, for example, that units:
• Cannot move with 1" of an Come the Apocalypse model.
• Cannot benefit from the Warlord Trait of an Come the Apocalypse Warlord.
• Cannot be joined by Independent Characters that are Come the Apocalypse.
• Are not counted as being friendly units for the targeting of psychic powers, abilities and so on.
• Cannot use special abilities to repair Hull Points, Immobilised or Weapon Destroyed results on Allies of Convenience vehicles.
• Cannot use modifiers and re-rolls that apply to Reserve Rolls that are granted by an Come the Apocalypse model.
• Are affected by attacks, special rules or abilities used by Come the Apocalypse that affect ‘enemy’ units within a certain range or area of effect.

One Eye Open: At the start of each of your Movement phases, each unit within 6" of a Come the Apocalypse unit must roll a D6 – on a roll of a 1, that unit cannot move, manifest psychic powers, shoot, run or charge that turn (they’re too busy watching for betrayal). Zooming Flyers and Swooping Flying Monstrous Creatures may not pivot and must instead move the minimum distance required (18" and 12" respectively).

Units cannot deploy within 12” of each other when they are deploying for battle.

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New Slaanesh miniatures when?

>>51805389
>hey, here's this version that would be perfect for actually carrying around and taking to games
>but fuck you, have this obnoxiously large one that's an absolute nightmare to travel with

>>51805503
Might work, go for red eyes and maybe black on the soft armour

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>>51805533
>mfw

>>51805526

Yeah, those both came from the fact that the original picture I used was Guardians of the Covenant, but on hindsight, I think it breaks up the big expanses of silver.

And I'm probably just gonna use the same colours for Deathwing and Ravenwing. It doesn't seem like a hard and fast rule that DA successors use the same colour as DA do for them anyway.

>>51805552

How old is the KoS now? That model hasn't been updated ever.

>>51805550
>Actually, Olly and Alvia knew the Emperor personally and they loath the guy.

They THOUGHT they knew him. Thought.

The Emperor was on such a completely different level of existence that virtually nobody could actually know anything about him save what he presented to them, and it didn't help that his extremely long-view approach made him a dick when it came to short-term issues (which, again, is kind why the Heresy happened - he was so focused on the future that he couldn't see the termites eating the foundations of his house).

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r8 my list m8s

>>51805552
Depends on when Fulgrim decides to come out of retirement.

>>51805550

>still being this fucking autistic

>>51805552
Is it me or is that KoS spraying milk?

Also

>Fat daemontte

The SJW HAVE GONE TOO FAR

>>51805591
He's around. He was attacking a planet with Lucius in Fracture of Biel-Tan.

>>51805581
I think it holds up alright.

>>51805593
>fact checking is autism

And I will take this as concession that you are childish liar. Seriously, we are having guys with the mentally of children spreading "rumours" that they made up on the spot.

>>51805600
>Fat daemontte

>The SJW HAVE GONE TOO FAR

If it's a fetish or desire it's a form they take on or flicker through.

>>51805600
>inblying gluttony isn't slaanesh's thing

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>>51805600
>>Fat daemontte
>The SJW HAVE GONE TOO FAR

Nah man, fat Daemonettes make complete sense given that gluttony is one of Slaanesh's major areas of influence. The appearance of Daemons of Slaanesh depends wildly on the mood of Slaanesh at they time they're created, which is why some Keepers have bull-faces, some have tentacle-faces, and others have almost Eldar faces.

>>51805614
Can you post a pic? Or at least the page number? I've got a condition that compels me to look up new EC lore as soon as I catch wind of it.

>>51805580
You could use the same scheme for all 3, but change the color of the kneepads or shoulder trim as an indicator

>>51805630
B-but it's m-muh board culture.

>>51805552

thicccc

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>>51805657
Page 84 if you want to see it yourself.

>>51805552
never

>>51805657
Not him, but he's very heavily implied to be active again in a fluff-blurb in the most recent Gather Storm book. It mentions that it can neither confirm nor deny a large, serpentine being fighting alongside the EC and just absolutely murderfucking Guardsmen they find.

When a formation lists
>Compulsary: 1 HQ 2 Elites
>Optional: 2 HQ 10 Elites
does that mean that it's optional to have up to that many, or does that mean you can add an additional 2 HQ and 10 Elites for a total maximum force of 3 HQ and 12 Elites?

>>51805694
Thanks.

>>51805719

You must have 1 HQ and 2 elites for the formation to be legal, and you can add up to 2 more HQs and 10 more elites if you want, and the formation will still be legal.

>>51805719
>does that mean that it's optional to have up to that many, or does that mean you can add an additional 2 HQ and 10 Elites for a total maximum force of 3 HQ and 12 Elites?

I and everybody else I've met have always take it to be the latter. In this case, you can take a maximum of 3HQ/12 Elites, but you must take a minimum of 1HQ/2 Elites.

could someone please post the part in Wrath of magnus or GW statement about the One primarch turns traitor

This shitstorm must end

>>51805745
It's in the MEGA, do some work yourself.

>>51805734
>>51805740
thanks

>>51805745
Let me save you the trouble.

It doesn't exist.

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Rate list?

>>51805503
Pretty good, but you should paint the eyes red or something. They look really flat otherwise

Space Marines can assault from a drop pod right? Since it's open topped.

>>51805793
>"Inquisition"
Might as well cal it Orks or Necrons.

>>51805801
No, they have to disembark the turn they arrive and you can't assault when arriving from reserve.

CSM Dreadclaws can since they can hang out inside for a turn.

>>51805590
whats with the pimped out superrhino?

you could do with more AT meltabombs for the assault squad or melta

vindicator does not want a hunterkillermissile as he can onl snapshot that when he fires his demolisher
Siege shield makes dozer blade useless (seriously HOW are you gonna model that?)

>>51805801
Again fuck off, you aren't even worth the effort of filtering.

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>>51805786

now we know that this faggot is a troll and he didnt even read the latest fucking books

GO BACK TO 30k YOU AUTISTIC FAGGOT!

>>51805793
3/3 months wages.

>>51805831
Oh...did you read them then? Feel free to post the proof.

>inb4 silence

>>51805824
Woah, what the fuck. Fuck you, nigger. I don't know who the hell you're talking to but I'm a new player who has never used drop pods before. You can go fuck yourself.

>>51805618

It does. But, damn the new bloodthirster and lord of change look really good.

>>51805823
Good points. I'll revise it. Thanks mate.

>>51805823
My guess is the extra guns on the Vindicator are just extra insurance against a weapon destroyed result. That way instead of losing the cannon, he might lose the bolter or missile.

Couldn't say for some of the other stuff though.

>>51805618
>>51805581
>>51805879
All I ever wanted for my KoS was that warped "female" face it has in all the art but the only options are bull or tentacles.

>>51805862
Yeah sure, same as the last 4 times (that I was there to see)

Act 1: "Space Marines can assault/Can Space Marines assault from a drop pod right? Since it's open topped."
Reply: *reference to deepstrike*
Act 2: Verbatim posting of the Deep strike rules
Act 3: in reply to own post 2 "What the fuck who writes there fucking rules?"

It's repetitive as fuck, at least change the formulation of the question.

>>51805856
Wrath of Magnus, it's in the MEGA.

Do your own fucking homework.

>>51805921
I just want a minotaur-looking Keeper of Secrets that is actually updated and plastic.

>>51805793
520/500£

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>>51805922
Go fuck yourself, man, I was being serious. I had an actual question. I went and looked over the rules though, and resolved my question. But no thanks to you, asshat.

>>51805937
I own Wrath of Magnus and read all of it. Tell me which page.

>>51805956
>I went and looked over the rules though, and resolved my question.
That's step 1
Step 2 is Google
Step 3 is asking for other to read the rules for you.

>>51805276
Alpharius is dead.

>>51805956
>no thanks to you, asshat.
Really?

Then what DID motivate you to pull your thumb out your ass?

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>>51806004
Or so you think.

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>>51805291
>>51805305

>Ahriman screamed in denial, riding his disc after them on a trail of fire

imagine unintentionally fucking your closest friends and brothers in arms up into soulless automatons for millennia, spending that entire time trying to find a way to undo it, then having them get unfucked by some xeno witch only to be thrown into the warp, with you knowing full well exactly what could happen to them

hes had a hard life

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>>51805503
spiffy!

>>51806060
Literally confirmed dead.

>>51805980
Could you explain how to move my models in the movement phase, please?

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>>51805943
Got it.

Look how much cooler this huge keeper is when compared to old resin bullhead.
Doesn't it look better?

So are SM models going to be replaced soon using a scale similar to Rubric marines?
I'm not sure if it's the best moment to start a SM army, considering 8th edition is on its way

>>51806082
>Literally confirmed dead.

Means nothing.

>>51806073
No sympathy for heretics in my eyes.

>>51806100
u wot

>>51806082
>t. Alpharius

>>51805275
So official art for Eldar has gone back to humans with pointy ears? When did they give up the pseudo-cat people aesthetic?

Asking for reasons.

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So, I'm thinking of doing an 1850-pt Iron Warrior list, and need help "filling out the points". The idea is to use the Grand Company to take advantage of re-rollable ordnance scatter (so the vindicators hit more often), and one of the 3 Vindicators will take "War Within the Eye" so it can Outflank.

I'm trying to avoid using R&H/Forgeworld units. The question is how do I flesh out this list more? Spawn are a given for bullet catchers. One thing I was thinking of doing was taking a CAD alongside this build so I could bring some Obsec Oblits without having to pay for an extra Warpsmith tax.

This is still a super-early draft mind you.

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>>51806084

>>51805590
The land raider and terminators will very rarely ever make up their points. They are fun as hell to field, but grav, gauss, melta etc. will make quick work of it, then your termies could be stuck unable to assault and across the board from where they need to be.

I would highly reccomend you up the drop pod count. Also your tactical squads can do flaming better, I would reccomend putting double melta and combi melta on assault squads and podding them, relying solely on hard hitting assault that has to make it to your opponent isn't the most effective anti tank strategy unfortunately.

Death company are a fantastic unit, it may be tough to reliably get them where they need to be. Creating a shitstorm in your opponents back line via multiple pods could help create a large enough distraction for them to get close enough to rip and tear.

Scouts are okay, though if you are already taking two tac squads there isn't much point as you've filled your two troop tax. If you can work out the point cost, a devistator squad with lascannons make a very effective fire support squad.

Vindicator is good.

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>>51806116
It varies, honestly.

>>51806116
Seems so. Eldur are so gay I can't take it anymore. I've always hated them, but I've tolerated them long enough. Now they get more OP stuff. I miss when they were shit and we laughed at them for being bad and gay.

>>51806113
It literally means fuck all.

If they want to bring back Alpharius, Ferrus Manus or even fucking Sanguinius, they will find a way.

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>>51806075

Mah unforgiven nigga.

You're not secretly Fallen are you?

>>51806147
Anon. Orks OP soon?

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>>51806100
>>51806114
>>51806161

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Kinda new to FW stuff and have a couple questions for some experienced IG:

Can I take a Company Command Tank as an HQ for any IG army or will I have to ally a detachment of ABG for it? If I use only an army of Armored Battlegroup do I get access to cheaper Vendettas and 5 fire point Chimeras?

>>51806113
His entire legion underwent genetherapy and facial reconstruction to look like him.

>>51806188
I think you're completely missing my point.

That doesn't matter. Not one bit.

GW will bring him back if they want to.

>>51806195
Alpha soul exited his body in a flash of light and psychic energy.

Omegon all the way in space felt his brother die.

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Actual roman helmet form the Century 1 AD

Fucking gorgeus, I understand why the Blood Angels use them.

>>51806189
As a general rule, one book = one detachment.

So you can ONLY take ABG stuff in an ABG detachment and you can't take non-ABG stuff in that detachment.

>>51806202
No, they can't. He is dead. Only Omegon might be alive since it's unknown if Girlyman killed the real Omegon or not.

>>51806188
Long con

But seriously, I know he's currently dead, but I have a feeling if anyone was to actually come back, it would be Omegon since, IIRC, even Guilliman wasn't sure he'd killed the real one

>>51806216
>Alpha body was swapped for a prepared double in a flash of teleportation energy.

>>51806239
>No, they can't. He is dead.

Yes. They. Can.

They brought back Ferrus Manus to fight besides the Emperor, they can bring back Alpharius.

>>51806239

You say this as if

>GW haven't retconned shit like this in the past
>this wouldn't be the easiest fucking retcon because it literally only requires "that wasn't the real Alpharius".

>>51806222
So Stormcast Eternals are historic as Empire from WHFB.

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>>51806245
>>51806202
>>51806195
And Omegon is a closet loyalist, so fuck knows what's gonna happen to him.

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>>51805921
>All I ever wanted for my KoS was that warped "female" face it has in all the art

Forgeworld has it. It's noticeably bigger than the GW as well.

It also has mouth-nipples.

>>51805525
>Kane
Qayin
>Yahveh
YHVH

Also, the origin of all existance is what'd be compared to the Primal Chaos for us, not really "Gods realm" (though I admit I do not really know anything about YHVHs realm). That which was before the physical existance of space/time was created.
The warp obviously has a lot in common with the Wrathful Chaos as well.

>>51806261
As a ghost or a construct of the Emperor's mind.

>>51806263
HH series is mean to be the definite retelling of the HH. Also they outright said he us dead in the Weekender event.

He is dead and gone.

>>51806188

Now if somefag could post the page or the print of the primarch redeemed bullshit from magnus supplements...

but now i see that /40kg/ is infested with autistic /v/tards instead of true /tg/ers

>>51806290
>black library
>definite

Nice meme. They get ignored all the time.

>>51806284
I would get if not only for the price.

Is it too much to ask for something reasonable?

>>51806300
If you care, read it through yourself instead of asking others you lazy sack.

>>51806290

If they wanted it to be the definite retelling they'd have a single author write the whole thing to avoid contradictions. Except now the HH series even contradicts itself. So much for "definite".

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>>51806173

>>51806301
Nope. They don't get ignored. It's miscommunication and Chaos on the part of GW studio. It's not intentional.

Did you know that BL editors edit codexes now? So errors between sources are getting lower and lower as time progresses especially under the new management.

https://trackofwords.wordpress.com/2017/02/11/black-library-there-and-back-again-with-laurie-goulding/

Here is Laurie explaining the whole mess.

>>51806330

>calling lazy instead of posting the truth

>>51806335
Actually, they ironed out the fewcontradictions and errors with each reprint, especially those of the timeline. Now the HH series is consistent with each other so says Laurie Goulding.

>>51806346
>Laurie Goldberg
>trusting anything he says
>immediately passes the buck when something goes wrong

Sorry anon, not going to take the word of the man who almost single handedly fucked over the HH.

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>>51805275
REMOVE!!!

Is there any way to get a space marine standard without freehanding it? Are there any standard-sized transfers?

>>51806264
Yeah, more or less

But I would say they are just inspired by those

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>>51806399
Never

>>51806394
>At that point, right around the time that things seemed to be going completely off the rails, I didn’t know what I was going to be asked to produce next, and the authors were being stretched to the maximum possible capacity. Black Library then decided that it didn’t need separate sales teams and events team, and that it didn’t need to be separate from Publications in any way! The editorial team was merged with the games development and writing teams, all of whose desk editors were merged with our editorial team. Suddenly I was being asked to edit Codexes! Conversations went like this:

>“I have NEVER edited a game book before – why are you asking me to edit this stuff?”

>“Oh, it’s on your to-do list, because you’re not doing anything today and the deadline is Friday.”

>“Umm, who says I’m not doing anything today?”

>“On the schedule, according to the chart you don’t have any books on the go until the end of next week…”

>“Well I’m doing all the other stuff that needs doing, like speaking to my authors about what they’d like to write, looking for opportunities to do collections and anthologies-”

>“Well that doesn’t show up on the system so you’ll have to fill your time with more scheduled tasks instead.”

>“Wow.”

Like him or not, hew was forced to edit some codexes against his will. Kirby's era was hectic

>>51806399
Being mad about the Ynnari won't bring back the glory of the old Empire, brother.

You should join us and fight for the future instead.

>>51806369
Not my argument, just tired of seeing you roll around on your fat ass begging for an hour when your could confirm or deny it in less time.

Good job embodying Nu-/tg/

>>51806424
>Not Ynnari red.

0/0

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>>51806429

Traitor

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>>51806424
>kinslaying Commoragh dog talking shit.
The Sword Wind will have you!

>>51806429
And be consumed by a deamon masquerading as a god?
No thanks.

REMOVE YNNARI!!!

>>51806226
Thanks, that helps with my confusion on these things. I want to see what it would be like having a Vanquisher with Beast Hunter Shells and Armored Fist Veterans with Tank Hunter.

>>51806480
Have fun being eaten by She Who Thirsts, faggot

>>51806506
>implying "yncarne" isn't a Slaaneshi deamon.

>>51806469
>>51806480

Accept Ynnead into yourselves, and become the hope of the future.

It will do no good acting like Mon'keigh and calling each other traitor or heretic.

We know true freedom, we no longer worry about She Who Thirsts.

We can truly take the fight to our enemies at last!

Do not make yourselves an obstacle on the path away from the Rhana Dandra.

>>51806515
>This is what Craftworlders actually believe

>laughingwyches.png

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>>51806535
Fuck off deamon worshipper.
I will slay any Ynnari dog I see.

I wonder if Crone World Eldar will be relevant to the developing Ynnead situation. There's a bunch of souls in need of claiming.

Me and three friends want to do some 2v2s. Is there some existing modification to the rules to do this, or do you just play it out normally but on the same side?

So far we have been rolling to see who is teamed up with who, and teams take their turns at the same time.

>>51806569
I swear, if one of you fucks ends up dicking over our attempts at fixing shit, I will be so pissed.

Guilliman is clearly the traitor. I mean he is getting a new model after all. He won't go full chaos though (because ultramarines). Ultramar will break away from the imperium of man and start arming up for a galactic battle against the tyranids, sending tyrannic veteran squads to all like minded space marine chapters to train them up. They will probably be portrayed as the "good guys", flying around helping wherever they are needed compared to the aging imperium that only cares about "muh heretics"

Codex: Imperium Secundus

>>51806599
You pretty much just do everything at the same time.

>>51806714
EVERYONE HAS THEIR MOVEMENT PHASE AT THE SAME TIME!

GREAT IDEA ANON

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>>51806464
>Accidently made the Ynnead scheme before it was released
It is fated

>>51806535
How would Ynnead be more powerful than slaanesh? Slaanesh absorbed the collective souls of the majority of the eldar when they were at their very peak, and is fueled by all races and not just the remaining eldar. Ynnead's power is essential coming from the scraps of what slaanesh didn't get when it was formed, how does that add up in ynnead's favor?

>>51806780
Ynnead's power is derived from death. Not of all Eldar, of all mortal beings. See Ynnead's power being used to bring back the Thousand Sons.

>>51806746
Do it, the Reborn will save us all

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>>51806813

>>51806805
So... chances do exist of the Thousand Sons coming back and even redeeming themselves along with Magnus and Ahriman.

>>51806706
I'd back it, love to see the break, I suspects it'd be... Ultras and wolves on the "secessionist" side, Hands and Fists likely on the other.

Salamanders would be torn between duty and their wish to do good

Bangles and Dangles would both have their dark secrets making their side hard to place

No idea about Raven guards and Scars though, again secret sins and a wild streak.

>>51806780
The same as the Emperor's reason...sorta.

Ynnead is powered any death and necromancy with is poison and anathema to Chaos.

>>51806823
Probably not

While I do like TTS, it's not gonna happen. Magnus has thrown his lot in with Tzeentch and that's how it's gonna remain.

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Hey DE anons, I've been lurking for a while. I posted last night about getting the SC! box. I've based my list partially off of other anons' lists I've seen in /40kg/, partially for aesthetics, and partially off of what comes in the boxes I'm planning to buy. Since I've seen other anons post pretty similar lists I hope this will be okay. I'm mostly going to be playing a Tau player who intends to run a bunch of Fire Warriors, transports, and Crisis Suits if it makes a difference. Thoughts?

>Archon, 140 points
Agoniser, shadow field, the armour of misery
>Incubi, 145 points
4 Incubi and a Venom with second splinter cannon
>Warriors, 180 points
10 Warriors, 1 splinter cannon, in a Raider with night shields and splinter racks
>Warriors, 110 points
5 Warriors, 1 shredder, in a Venom with second splinter cannon
>Warriors, 110 points
5 Warriors, 1 shredder, in a Venom with second splinter cannon
>Reavers, 63 points
3 Reavers, cluster caltrops
>Reavers, 63 points
3 Reavers, cluster caltrops
>Reavers, 63 points
3 Reavers, cluster caltrops
>Ravager, 125 points
Ravager with 3 disintegrator cannons and night shields

Total: 999 points

As long as it's not complete crap I'm okay with being a bit underpowered tbqh

>>51806842
Yeah that's true, also as long as theyr fate is cool and well-written I relatively don't mind if they keep being traitors or not.

>>51806822
Good work, brother

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DAngels-fag again. So I've established the paint scheme and hit the Chapter Creation table and it's made a pretty fucking interesting chapter.

Chapter name: Avenging Angels

Why was the chapter founded?
Crusade - "We need people running around and hitting the Imperium's enemies. Found a Chapter!"

When Was The Chapter Founded?
33rd Millennium (Third Founding)

Who was the Chapter's Progenitor?
Dark Angels

Gene-seed purity
Pure - Same as progenitor in terms of purity, and will maintain close links with it

Chapter Demeanour
Suffer Not the Work of Heretics

Figure of Legend
4th Company Captain

Deeds of Legend
The hero led his Chapter in many glorious campaigns, slaying hundreds of the enemy’s greatest champions. In the end, he was brought down by treachery within the fold of the Imperium, slain by an assassin’s turbo-penetrator round on the field of battle. Just why he was targeted was never discovered, and the Chapter harbours a special hatred for the servants of the Officio Assassinorum to this day.

Chapter homeworld
Feral World

Homeworld terrain
Wasteland

Rule of homeworld
Distant rule

Chapter organisation
Divergent chapter

Combat doctrine
Terror

Special equipment
Blessed Wargear

What form do the Chapters' beliefs take?
Death Cult

At what strength is the Chapter?
Over Strength

Who are your Chapter friendly with?
Ecclesiarchy

Who are the Chapter's enemies?
Eldar

So they have their wargear blessed by chaplains, they're a death cult who are pals with the Ecclesiarchy, and they hate the Assassins and the Eldar.

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>>51806870
>>51806975
what did you use to make this

>>51806994
What did you use to make that post?

Which is the best Leman Russ variant to take if you only have room for one?

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When 8th comes around and mirrors most of Age of Sigmars rules, such as

>If you charge, you hit first

How does this effect Orks?

>>51807136
if lumbering behemoth was still a thing I would tell you to take a fully kitted demolisher

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>>51805275
wish eldar were just space sluts in bikini armor

>>51805525
Pius was a Muslim in one of his previous regenerations
And he never mentions Jesus just a general faith in a God beyond chaos

>>51807136
What would it most likely be for?

>>51807177

Trukkboys become a lot better (as do any other models in an open-topped transport), mobs are just as shit.

>>51807202
TO be fair, Wyches and Succubi really are.

>>51807177
Orks become much better and initiative becomes even more worthless.

I assume this doesn't override lack of assault grenades + cover so it's a great way to troll dark eldar and 'nids.

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Looking for some modeling advice for a Space Marine. I wanted to make a shooty infrantry HQ for some time and picture related finally inspired me to do it. So, rules-wise it will be a SM Techmarine on foot with the primarch's wrath and servo harness, meaning the following:

- power armor infantry, on foot
- bolter
- plasma gun with pistol range
- flamer
- power axe
- two power fists

Now I'm wondering how to fit all that on one model while keeping him looking like a sneaky commando AND satisfying WYSIWYG ?

I will probably get some recon marines from FW as the base, give him a stalker pattern boltgun from deathwatch, strap a plasma pistol to his hip but I'm not sure about the rest. Perhaps instead of a stalker use a combi-flamer and add a scope ?

>>51807210
Hmm, well I think my list has anti-vehicle covered and should also be good on anti-GEQ. I'm thinking that I need some anti-MEQ/TEQ, but I'm afraid that the Executioner will just end up glancing itself to death within a few turns.

>>51807136
I personally have had the best results with a Punisher with Heavy Bolter sponsons. It's a lot of dakka so it's solid for MCs, pelting AV10-11, good anti-infantry and it's got enough shots to be pretty good against AV10-11 flyers and flying MCs. S5 is weak enough that it's not usually a high priority target. It's significantly better when taken as a Tank Commander and way better when taken with Pask, but you only have room for 1, so taking it as a normal Heavy Support choice is still pretty good, especially if you have a Psyker with Prescience.

Exterminator with Plasma Cannon sponsons has also given me almost as good results. There's a lot of S7 which is good for wounding MCs, up to AV13, and there's enough dakka and AP2 blasts to be good anti-infantry. Very flexible build.

Beyond that Eradicator is good and cheap.

>>51807266
Exterminator, TL Autocannon and all Heavy Bolters.

>>51807264

Famalam why not just run him as a captain with the Primarch's Wrath

Are fliers something to really equip for at under 1000 points? Thinking if I should use an Icarus Array or can safely stick to a Neutron Laser or Twin-Linked Heavy Phosphor Blaster for my Dunecrawler.

How's the latter anyway? Most of my meta is 3+ armor MEQ armies so I was strongly considering the Phosphor.

>>51807342
The icarus array isn't wasted even if you don't face any fliers or skimmers as it has a good amount of firepower even snapshooting.

>>51807136

Demolisher is amazing vs. Tanks, more so than the Vanquisher.

>>51806427
Wow, just read that interview. I'm so glad they got rid of Kirby. I hope someone meets him in a pub and glasses the fat useless cunt tbqh

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>tfw Ork player
>tfw want to play DE
>tfw drawn and destined to play shit armies

>>51807302
Why run him as a Captain ?

>>51807425

Because it means you don't need to work out how to model all that shit on a model that's very clearly a captain not a techmarine.

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>>51805198
But thats not The Lion.

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What are the odds of me being skinned alive if I uploaded this to the TTS workshop?

>1493/1500
>Armored Battle Group CAD (FW)
Command Vanquisher +Lascannon, Co-axial Heavy Stubber, Beast Hunter Shells
6 Armored Fist Veterans +2 Meltaguns, Chimera +Autocannon
6 Armored Fist Veterans +2 Meltaguns, Chimera +Autocannon
6 Armored Fist Veterans +2 Meltaguns, Chimera +Autocannon
Leman Russ Demolisher
Leman Russ Demolisher

>IG Allied Detachment
Pask Command Punisher
Leman Russ Executioner
Veterans
Wyvern

How does this look for a mechanized army? I feel a bit short ranged and lack AA but with how heavy terrain and the distaste for flyers is like with my group it may be non-issue. I hope I counted the points right, Armored Fist Vets being forced into a Chimera only if its a squad of 6-10 is kinda weird.

>>51807505
Met a Necron Flayer in a dark alley/10

>>51807505
You'll be fiiiiine!

>>51807457
Considering I want to model it and specifically asked for an advice on what bits to pick that's a pretty stupid reason.

>>51807529
If you're terrain heavy, then an Eradicator might be a good idea instead of double demolisher.

>>51807555

In that case, hack off that iron halo and just slap a techmarine pack on him, it'll look like overdesigned garbage anyway.

>>51807342
Don't take the Phosphor, the laser is so good it's insane. Railgun blast at Skitarii BS beats having half a Kastelan Robot on a worse chassis, even against Marines in the open. Icarus is shiny, Neutron is shiny, pick whatever because >>51807368

>>51807386
Idk about Kirby but i know a guy who carries a carnifex Scything Talon around incase he ever runs into Robin Cruddace.

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The Emperors Tarot

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This is for (you), dear tau.

>>51807571
Like I said in my I will most likely just get a single FW recon marine on the side as I mentioned in my post. No point in wasting cash on a captain mini if I get one of those.

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Second version.

So let's talk Inquisitor loadouts. I'm going with an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor, but I trying to decide between [Force Sword, Bolt Pistol, and Rad Grenades] or [Conversion Beamer.] He will not be accompanied by henchman if this helps to clarify the conundrum.

>>51807618
Nice, where did you get these?

>>51805445
As did all the Primarch armour suits

>>51807656
If he has no henchmen, take the melee loadout had have him escorted by your choppy unit. Unless you're allied to Guard or something, the conversion beamer kind of lacks synergy with most ranged weapons of units he can join.

Never play him completely alone, though, that's just asking for him to be sniped by a scatter laser.

>>51807414
Same. It's not like I'm afraid to stomp. I used to stomp in 5th all the time and loved it.

>Play Guard and love them to death
>Want to do more melee
>Look at melee armies
>Totally uninterested and think they are all boring or stupid
>Look at codex for melee builds with Guard
>Decide to do things like Yarrick, Straken, Priests, Psykers, Blobs, Rough Riders and Bullgryn
>Everything is terrible and dies before they do anything except blobs
>Yarrick is decent because he struggles to die and can give orders
>Straken can never survive long enough to buff the army much
>Bullgryns are just bullet sponges and do next to nothing in combat
>Bullgryns with Power Mauls that actually end up in combat do okay otherwise die pretty easily
>Rough Riders die to bolters
>Power Axe Sergeants do okay but they are too expensive
>Psykers do well if I manage to get Invisibility or Forewarning
>Overall everything is too much of a point sink and I have no range and no mobility
>Lose games before any units can do anything

I knew it was coming, but you always have that small hope that you will be surprised. All that seems to work are 2 big blobs with Psykers and Priests. Any other cool things like Straken or Bullgryn just slowly fail. Maybe there's some secret to making it work, but probably not.

>>51807618

I need this.

Reminder that there's no way The Lion is a traitor.

He cared about the Emperor so much he begged the other primarchs to spare Curze's life, because if they killed Konrad early, his visions would have been wrong, and the Emperor would have been in danger.

The Lion was willing to spare one of his brothers who actively tried to kill him on multiple occasions on a HUNCH because he was so loyal.

>>51806870
>Shredder

For what purpose, anon?

>>51807731
Totally allied to Guard...
Might have to look into Henchman. I'm thinking two Crusaders and two Death Cult Assassins then?

I just got a broadside. Anyone have experience in magnetizing it? Seems like it would be difficult what with the different arm angles for the railgun and missiles

Or should I not bother because I'll never use the railgun?

>>51807737
>Biomancy Psykers hiding in Bullgryn squads
>Priests everywhere
>motherfucking Castellans
You're just doing it wrong.

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>>51807699
The Emperors Tarot event at warhammer world this weekend

>>51807798
>Biomancy Psykers hiding in Bullgryn squads
That was my first choice. They just slowly die and don't do much. I can tell you haven't done it before though.

hey tg question
is karamazov even remotely good on the tabletop?

>>51807836
What do all the cards actually mean?

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Can someone explain to me how allies work in 40k? I was looking through some tournament lists and saw alot of eldar armies with the riptidewing. I thought you had to take allies as a allied detachment?

>>51807891
Nope, you just take a second detachment of whatever you want.
You can take a space marine CAD and chaos marine CAD.
You can take eldar formations and ork formations.

Just do whatever dude.

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>>51807756
And the whole Fallen issue arose because Luther knew he was so loyal that the few choas cultist that were found and killed on Caliban would be enough for El'Jonson to comit extermanatus on his home planet.

>>51807891
Formations are dumb. So long as it's a formation and not an allied detachment, you can take any army's stuff and just play it next to your other stuff ignoring restrictions.

>>51807836
... Fuck.

Will it be for sale later?

>>51805158
Guys is there a place where i can read the novels online for free?

>>51805396
The outcome of the confrontation is a bit weird.

>Ahriman effortlessly throws the Triumvirate out of the Webway into the warp.
>Avatar is dissipating fromt he Warp energies, other two are grand (or as grand as two eldar trapped in the warp can be)
>she bargains with Ahriman to let them back in
>he does so and she un-Rubrics the Rubrics
>She then orders a Wraithknight to smash a hole in the webway and the Avatar sucks the Rubrics into the Warp
>Ahriman chases after the UnRubrics to save them.

Fair enough, Ahriman is thrown of his game and doesn't think to just immediately throw the Triumvirate back out, but why are we supposing they are dead? They can survive longer than 3 unarmoured Eldar (one of which being a psyker) in the Warp and Ahriman followed immediately after.

>>51807859
He can be. If you use the Inquisition digital version instead of the Imperial Agents he's better. In the Inquisition digital version his orbital bombardment is able to fire every turn. I like to get a blob of 50 Conscripts, march them into a big bad unit or into a bunch of units at once and then bombard all squads in close combat. If you manage to have Forewarning on the squad they can survive the bombardment a little better too.

>>51807891
Formations destroy the game.

>>51807737
Try an emp's talon with 4 squadrons. You outflank, the leader can issue 'Move, Move, Move!', and armor gives you the equivalent to T8 fearless 2-wound models.

Attach heavy flamers for relentless burn-and-stomp action! Or give them lascannons so you can shoot up enemy vehicles on the way to the melee.

Then bring an Emp's Shield platoon or two. They have five squads each that you can blob up, they get move through cover, and they give you another sentinel squadron for more fearless melee.

Now finally take an inquisitorial retinue so you can get some psykers and priests to buff your 50 man blobs.

All that said, you'll still never be good.

>>51807856
>he doesn't want EW FNP 4+ fuckers IDing Marines and rerolling everything
Clearly you are not giving them the proper support. With Castellans, you throw in an Inquisitor for rad grenades, then add one Priest to make them Fearless (though the Hatred is redundant) then add Psykers to taste. Yes, you are relying on rolling the right powers, but that's why you take more than one Psyker.

Also, Raptors Anon if he's here will tell you thad massed RRs with Hatred are actually okay. Certainly the type of unit that would benefit from a fucking beefy distraction like a Bullgryn star.

>>51807927
>>51807936
Aight, thanks for clearing it up lads. Yeah this does seem kinda game breaking. Oh well time to get skyhammer allies for my guard

>>51808030
I think maybe we play against a different caliber of player because I've done all that and it doesn't work very well where I play.

>>51805467
Get off the computer, Magnus

>>51808030
>>51807798
You seem like you've played with Bullgryns before. What's a good squad size and should I include any of the maul and shield upgrades?

>>51808059
>Melee Guard won't win versus WAAClists
Well no shit, but there are ways of optimizing them to be as good as they can be, ways you aren't pursuing.

>>51808157
If you're using them as moving cover, take as many as you need to make a wall for your tanks and shit to hide behind. That's it. A squad of Russes can sit behind about four comfortably.

If you buy mauls and use them for melee, godspeed. Take at least one per character that joins the unit (and you will want characters to join them, as they are rather shit otherwise). Really it depends on how many points you're willing to drop of their unit as a whole.

>>51807642
>when you play an absolutely abhorrent faction

>>51808198
I have 3 right now with slabshields and I just got 3 more. I was thinking of doing a unit of 6 with a priest and psyker. I just wasn't sure how to equip the last 3 or if I should just keep them as basic kit. 15 points is a steep upgrade, but the high strength seems useful.

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Was playing earlier with this terrain with a mate, he set up the terrain before I go to his house and had these two bits of 3rd edition ruins facing each other like this. Half way through the game my units were in between the two bits and I thought I was in 4+ yet because I wasn't standing on the ruins or touching the terrain my friend was trying to tell me I wasn't in cover. What was the correct thing?

>>51808350
According to the rules, you would get a cover save regardless. Though I would personally prefer if it just followed the 25% rule.

>>51808350
Typically you do one of 3 things:

25% rule
If it touches the cover's base, you're in cover
If the cover has no base, trace a line between the two broken ends of the ruins. That line and the walls themselves forms a triangular psuedobase to take cover in.

These are things you should be sure to ask your opponent before the start of the relevant movement phase.

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How does my list look?
I decided to make room for two Leman Russes and took a (semi) choppy squad to accompany my Inquisitor.

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>attach two battle-demi companies to make a battle company, which gains company support
>company support allows dedicated transports to be taken for free
>have all squads take razorbacks
>opponents face when 13 razorbacks
now I just need the razorbacks
and for razorbacks to not be shit

>>51807764

Last night an anon posted the mathhammer and it's waaaaaaaaaaaay more efficient than the blaster against anything short of armour. It's equally likely to kill MEQ and GEQ and only 10% less efficient against TEQ due to shred and possibility of hitting 2+ TEQs instead of just 1 Blaster shot.

Also it's cheap and I'm saving all of my Blasters to make a cool looking converted Trueborn squad to use at 1250

>>51808650
There is a datasheet that allows you to swap the TL heavy bolters for TL multi-meltas for free.

13 free multi meltas is gud.

Nearly flawless list to be fair, is the regimental standard worth the points considering he's going to be inside a chimera? Also consider dropping the tanks and the Hydra for Pask/squadmate in exterminators, MM sponsons and lascannon.

>>51808679

Yea, I'm legit thinking about using Shredders, too.

>>51808679
Wasn't that mathhammer always assuming 2 hits.

>>51807860
It's the common Tarot but with a 40k twist.

>>51808720
>datasheet
I'd like to see this, since as far as I know the only way to do it is to use the Infernum pattern Razorback rules from FW.

>>51807958
Don't try to overthink bad writing and new model wank

>>51808679
>>51808742
My dudes the anon in question called the shredder shit. It's okay in theory, until you realize it has a 12" range and the dudes that carry it wear papier mache for armor. Don't use them non-ironically, there's a reason DE players avoid them.

>>51808762
>>51808742
>>51808679
Shredder in a 5 man squad in a venom is pretty ok.

At 45 points the squad is worth less than their transport so I like drive 6", move 6" then dump them off in some ruins 1 as a distraction.

>>51808522
>>51808739
please see

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>>51806327

>>51806104
It was going traitor or getting killed by yiffs.

>>51808984
>Z

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So I ran into this today while playing my Emperors Children against my friends Thousand Sons.

>He took a Grand Coven of a maxed-out War Cabal and a single Land Raider, plus a random Helforged Warpack formation on the side
>Helforged Warpack grants a Defiler, Helbrute, or Forge/Maulerfiend the Character special rule
>Boon of Mutation allows you to target a friendly Character and give them a roll in the Chaos Boons table
>Says he's going to cast Boon of Mutation on it
>Think this will be interesting
>Allow him some slight wiggle-room on the Boons table because I just want to see what happens here (wounds = hull points, Armor Save = Armor Values, Armor Saves = Armor penetration rolls, etc.)
>gains +1 BS
>Aight, cool
>Then like six other fucking sorcerers start casting Boon of Mutation on it as well
>mfw the stat line of this thing after the Turn 1 Psychic Phase is WS4 BS4 S8 F13 S13 R11 I4 A4 HP5, with a S9 Battle Cannon, and that's not including the two Havoc Launchers, Reaper Autocannon, Dirge Caster, and Combi-Melta
>mfw I manage to bring it down to a single hull point by turn 4, despite constant HP replenishment via IWND and constant Boon of Mutation fuckery, and have it tied up in CC by hordes of Cultists
>mfw he casts one last Boon of Mutation on it
>SPAWNDOM
>Thing turns into a Chaos Spawn
>Rampages through the Cultists, routs them off the board, and then charges to contest an objective my Havocs are holding to deny me the victory point that would have broken the tie game we ended up having

I got my ass handed to me ridiculously in everything but VP's, but goddamn was it fun. 7/10 would heartily recommend

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1850pts White Scars
Worth it? Don't face any superheavies, so not worried on those.

>>51808819

He said they're shit in the circumstances where you have to run them up as T3 infantry. In a DSing Venom you're already within rapid fire range for your Kabalites and thus Shredder range as well. They should also be helpful if you 36"-away Venom is suddenly within 12" of a DSing or outflanking enemy squad.

>>51808762

Yes but that's okay, they'll get more or less depending on luck and placement.

Also it's 5 points and a Blaster is totally wasted on most targets a 5 man Kabalite squad will be shooting (only exception I can really think of is MCs). I see no problem with throwing one or two in to take up the last few points on a list.

>>51807958
>surviving in the warp unshielded

>>51809183
>the chosen warriors of Tzeentch
>unable to survive in the warp

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pls r8, no b8, no h8


are wyverns op?

>>51809296
That's just it, they were revived as early heresy TSN and then flung into the warp unshielded, even if they survived the fleshchange would have spawned them.

What do you consider a 'finished' collection of CSM?

>>51809350
When you have everything you want.

>>51809350
Considering my Warband is still sprawling outwards, I would say never.

>>51809306
A Wyvern:
No

Two Wyverns:
Unpleasant but not too bad

Three Wyverns:
Painful

Multiple Squadrons:
Removing infantry by the shovel-full

>>51809306

You get a 65-point unit that easily kills the same amount of infantry as a 165-point unit.
So yes.

If I run a unit of 5 meganobz is it worth it to give one a pair of killsawz?

What's some fun armies for small 1000 or less point games?

>>51809109
Horus sure fucked everything up, didn't he?

So if I'm starting with Dark Angels, should I aim to get the models to fill out a Demi-Company first?

>>51809109
So? Better to die loyal then turn traitor.

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>>51809350
This + 100 marines

>>51809530
>no CSM army is complete without a daemon engine of khorne

I dont want it to be complete if thats teh case

Are any of the blood angel black library books any good?

>>51809518
Depends if you're going green, raven or deathwing.

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>>51808739
How about something like that?

>>51809637

I want to eventually build toward a mixture.

Greens to be the backbone, and so I have something on the board turn 1. Ravenwing to outflank with teleport homers, then Deathwing come in on them.

>>51809688
Ahh, the true DAngle experience, very nice!

>>51809306
If anyone complains to you about anything when you play guard, kick them in their empty nutsack.

>>51809688
You're not going to have enough points for all three if you go for a mix in the Lion's Blade Strike Force until around 2500 points. I'd say get a couple tac squads, a full Ravenwing squad and support, and then a Terminator squad/Knights. Should be enough for 1500 points which is a solid starting point. Biggest weakness is a lack of anti-air, so you'll want a flyer too probably. Keep in mind you're a shooting man's army even with your terminators, and keep out of melee till you can comfortably wipe a squad.

>>51809618
I would assume the James Swallow ones are. I just finished his Sisters of Battle stories and they were great.

>>51807737
> Play the shootiest of all space marine chapters for 2 years straight
> Eventually go more and more into melee combat, while still running my shooty-tactics.
> Get a Leviathan Dreadnought
> End up with a local meta of entirely herohammering melee goodness
> Castellans comes out
> Everyone in the meta now just uses nothing but Castellans
> I end up being known as "The guy that brings 30 rough riders"
> MFW I accidentally discover that Castellans Rough Riders are stupidly awesome, especially if you combine them with Fulmination Librarians.
> MFW I had a game today where my rough riders riding with Mogul Khan (THANKS faq for letting me use a character from 5e) EVAPORATED an entire 20-man blob of chaos marines plus the 200+ point Sorcerer warlord in the unit.

30+ attacks at S6 AP3 with Hatred is truly terrifying.

>>51809841
What does Mogul Khan do?

Are you required to use canticles of the ominissah every turn or can you choose to hold off?

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>>51809865
40 point sergeant-level character that gives Furious Charge and Rage to the squad. Rage makes them have +2 attacks on the charge instead of +1. Mogul himself also gains 1d3 attacks when he charges.

>>51809875

You don't need to use it at all, and choose to just not use it if you want. Same with Doctrina Imperatives.