I want to get into RPG. I've never played one, but I'm

>>51803643
Get a copy of Ryuutama, read it, and run the two sample scenarios with picnic rules.

>>51803643

reeee normie ect

Now that is out the way I've found that both new players AND new gm's have gotten on OK with DND 5e so maybe give that a go.

Download GURPS Lite and give it a go.

>>51804980
>GURPS Lite as first game
I gagged

38 pages does not a light game make.

>>51805322
Try GURPS Ultra-Lite then.

>>51805322
>Implying all 38 pages are in use.

I've managed to run a game with complete RPG noobs on 4 pages of GURPS Lite.

Git gud

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>>51803643
It's not a bad idea to start off with something really light.

>>51805380
Was that your first time GMing? Because this thread is about GMing AND playing for the first time.

A moderately experienced GM can distill even the most indecipherable mess into a form that players kind of understand, because players don't need to understand it all. That is, of course, given that the GM knows the nooks and crannies of the system.

And no, I don't need to git gud. If I need to git gud to play GURPS, it ain't worth my time.

>>51803643
Fluffy threads have ruined my life.

>>51803643
Don't use DnD. If it's first timers, try Vampire Dark Ages v20. It's much better to introduce players via a non-d20 shitfest, it will instill proper ideas about roleplaying.

Girls also like World of Darkness a lot.

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>>51805578
They have enriched mine.

>>51805322
I don't know much about GURPS Lite, but 38 pages is actually pretty fucking short for an RPG. I mean, a lot depends on what those 38 pages look like, but certainly it's not getting excluded by length alone. I tend to think of Moldvay Basic D&D (B/X) as the quintessential rules-light RPG, and it's 128 pages (granted, that's split into two sets, and you only need the 64 page Basic Set until you reach level 4, but still).* 5th edition D&D is, by contrast, something like 900 pages for the three core books (Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide and Monster Manual), and plenty of people mistakenly believe it's rules-light? Why? Because they're used to rules-heavy games like 3.5, and 5e is actually more of a rules-medium game (though probably not on the low end of that category).

Sure, there are one-page dealies that are much simpler than Moldvay Basic, but there are large ranges to cover, and if you were to put Moldvay Basic down as rules-medium, then the vast majority of RPGs would be rules-heavy, and shit like 3.5 would be ultra-heavy, or something (and it's not like it's the most complicated system out there). If you want to divide things into more categories than just 3--light, medium and heavy--then the minimalist RPGs that are under a dozen pages would probably be "ultra-light".

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If you want a minimalist, but full-size game, and like the idea of Conan-style high-adventure, you might want to check out Barbarians of Lemuria.

>Barbarians of Lemuria,Mythic Edition (current edition) -- https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7llc83r2xf8bg/Barbarians_of_Lemuria_-_Mythic_Edition

>Barbarians of Lemuria, Legendary Edition (earlier edition, shorter but not as refined) --http://www.mediafire.com/download/p5w885sa9a869ma/Barbarians+Of+Lemuria+-+Legendary+Edition.pdf

>Barbarians of Lemuria, House Rules / Patches for Legendary Edition (if you want minimalism of Legendary, but with the rules tightened up) -- https://mega.co.nz/#F!CtQR2bST!y_awB-GHCiL3CdK4iLCV7A

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While the full Savage Worlds rules have far too many details to qualify as rules-light, the "test drive" starter rules are actually pretty concise. And if you get into it and want to expand, you can always selectively drop in shit from the core (Deluxe) rules without having to to fully embrace the full system (unless, of course, you want to).

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>>51805964
Here's another Savage Worlds test drive version that's pegged to Fritz Leiber's Lanhkmar swords & sorcery.

>>51805874
I mean, my main system is 22 pages... And that is in a page size about the same as a vidya manual (A5), not letter. That might also mean that I am not the best person to discuss this with, because I condense things to a ridiculous degree.

And GURPS Lite is written with a pretty small font (probably the same size as my game, that is, again, on smaller paper) and it has a lot of tables and situational modifiers.

>>51806072
My homebrew systems are often in the range 6-12 pages long, but that's all charts and shorthand and shit. If everything was written out, and monster and treasure sections were included, they'd probably be like 10x the length. But like I said, I don't really know GURPS Lite, so I can't comment on that in particular.

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>>51805874
It's not that bad as far as the weight goes IMO. The heft is just character creation options.

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>>51806377
And Ultra-Lite for your perusal

>>51806377
>>51806402
I'm the original anti-GURPS-fag, but maybe my problem with GURPS is just that it absolutely is against everything I stand for design-wise. Like, even Ultra-Lite seems unintuitive to me, due to subtractions and divisions you make while playing. It just doesn't sit with me at all.

But I will admit to my grave that I am biased, I am a dude who has made a thinly veiled storygame, no wonder I'm kind of put off by GURPS.

I would still recommend something else due to clunk. All in all, something like RISUS would serve better for first-timers. Although, I find it hard to perceive games through a lens of someone who hasn't played anymore, so I don't know whether the system is as immediately obvious to them as it is to me.

Of course, was my own system ready, I would probably give some elevator pitch of it here... But it's still missing some small parts, so can't be done.

>>51806718
You be surprised by how quickly GURPS actually resolves though. It is just 3d6 versus a set target number. I picked it up in the first place because it plays faster than most iterations of D&D.

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>>51806718
But yeah, here's RISUS.

>>51806745
That's weird. But the problem to me, personally, is that all the heft in the game is in the GM-side, basically.

Fuck, now I'm seriously thinking of dropping my own game as a counter-example.

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>>51806768
Eugh, fuck it.

I estimated the word count in RISUS (it's copy protected, and you can't copy text from the PDF), and my game actually is the same amount.

>>51806768
If you use one of the series like Dungeon Fantasy or After the End you can get rid of most of the front loading. If you are going to do something otherwise specific then yeah, there is a lot in the way of GM work.

>>51807187
Seems pretty cool. I like the inversion of attributes as weaknesses rather than strengths. I was fucking around with a homebrew that did something similar, though it was a "how fortunate the man with none" sort of thing ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzTBsbXFY7I ) where the attributes were things that you would normally view positively, but which have a downside (honor stands in the way of guile and deceit, for instance). It never really came together though.

One recommendation for the presentation of your rules: present the central mechanic up front. You roll dice, add them together, and try to beat the appropriate weakness. Before you know that, you don't have the context to understand how everything fits together, and you're juggling Weaknesses, Ordinary, Problems, Saving Graces, Powers, Secrets, the number of points you have to divide, Advantages, Disadvantages and so forth without really knowing what any of the do mechanically.

>>51809071
That's true. It's not even a big stretch to change their places, so I'll look into it.

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>>51805532
>>51806768

These are both good.
Fuckin' D&D holds your hand through the tropes of modern D&D and presents a very easy game to play.
Risus let's you run wild with your imagination and vocabulary. The system is simple and blunt.

>>51805964

SW isn't really my thing but many people like it and it has worked well as an entry level game.

>>51806377
>>51806402
GURPS is for gearheads. Some people are gearheads and don't even know it. I won't play GURPS but I don't think it's a bad game. These lite versions are a very succinct introduction.

>>51807187
I'mma read this and get back to you

Attached file is what I'd use for one-on-one with my gf.

>>51807187
>>51815261
Sure. I have an alternative version where Playing the game and Rolls are before Character creation (due to >>51809071 's advice), but which way is better is up to interpretation.

>>51806718
>GURPS is unintuitive to me, due to subtractions and divisions you make while playing and it just doesn't sit with me at all.
I agree.
And yet it is the best system I've found for my setting.
So I'm fixing it.
I'm in a self-imposed race to see who finishes first, me or Toady with Dwarf Fortress.

>>51803643
>I've dediced I'll try to run my own games at our place, and maybe invite her friend and her boyfriend
I read that too fast and read "maybe invite her boyfriend"