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>>51794968
Recruiting for a Mage the Ascension game (details here: >>51784641 →), add me on Discord if you're interested: Vigne#6193

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Which is the best CofD game for playing cute kitsune?

>>51794968
>How would you make the Samuel Haight of CofD?

By shooting the first dumb motherfucker who tries to publish it.

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Posting my update to the Legacies document before this thread falls to shit again.
Just finished the Chior of Hashmallim.
Any requests for what's next?
I'm considering the Clavs.

>>51794968
I don't know, but I'd bet it would involve my girlfriend dumping me, a whole load of alcohol, and wanting to take out my shit on my group.

...fucking post limit.

>>51794776

I think part of the issue is that those subcultures are practically right wing compared to some of the 'I identify as a Helicopter' fringes we have now. That said, kek, I remember that sidebar.

I think the fear is that it will ONLY be used for an agenda, with no other representation. For all it's sins, oWoD always gave all sides a shake at the die. You could play a well-dressed conservative as straight as a punk Anarch or BDSM fetishist fishMalk. All in the same room. In fact, that was where some of the fun came from. Part of the hate for SJWs is that they shut down and shun anything that triggers them, and everything fucking triggers them. Speaking generally of course. I may never have met one, but there must be rational people left on the Left.

>>51795005
Woo more legacies.
Have you done the Echo Walkers yet they have a 'legacy only' spell as well but with more attainments now it could work? Not sure.

>>51794999
I would recommend 'changing breeds' except I seem to recall it being kind of shit.

>>51795005
Legophages make them not be a GM nightmare.

>>51795005
Perfected adepts? For anyone who wants to play a punch-wizard.

>>51794999
Probably Changeling, its pretty easy for your mein to be fairly yiff tastic tho magically somehow still fuckable.

Hor people who want to know about the drama with white wolf.

http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/general/off-topic/1050412-white-wolf-hires-zak-smith-im-out/page4

>>51794968 (OP)
Make him a mage. That seems to be about the same fucking thing.

>>51794968
>How would you make the Samuel Haight of CofD?
A Changeling in the Lord Sages Of The Unknown Reaches with an imbued item that lets him activate artifacts and demon Lambdas. The rest takes more work than I want to do to fill out but it gives you a whole host of options.

>>51795020
The kind of progressive intolerance and the need to make absolutely everything also has the result in making things that pattern-match on to their worldview be viewed with suspicion in a way they wouldn't have been before. If you posted a photo of the cast of something like Predator now, you'd have to wonder if it wasn't so ethnically diverse in order to prod you with the writer's politics, even though that wouldn't occur seeing it at the time.

>>51795058
Anti-establishment politics, where the establishment is actually lambasted in full (as in, no raging about anti-abortion Christians and leaving it at that,) won't annoy people much because you're by necessity taking shots across a wide range of political targets. If politicians in a general sense are evil, the grouping of people that will annoy is minuscule, but if Republicans specifically are evil, it's understandable if conservatives get annoyed.

>>51795005

Requesting Ascended Adepts and Perfected Adepts!

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Kek

>>51795005
Is it bad that I see a homebrew mage splat and immediately think "Oh, fuck... Is Aspel back?"

Is Zak Smith a Beast?

>>51795238
>when the cringe hits

>>51795005
I'd love to see Blank Badges if you haven't done them yet.

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Spoilers.

Huh, I guess you aren't really a thinblood. Or is your 'fangs coming in' something I've forgotten? It's been years, and I was always more a Demon fan.

One World of Darkness is off to a terrible start.

As it should be.

Fuck White Wolf

>>51795352

Ah, never mind, all the reading is deadening my comprehension. Diablarie. Though I thought you had to drain the 'target' dry? And basically 'fight' souls, in a battle of wills no thinblood should have won over an experienced Tremere?

>>51795005
Can you do the Transhuman Engineers?

>>51795389
It's possible, monty coven diablerized Mithras but after some time Mithras possessed him

>could have done game about beckett and exploring ancient artifacts, tying it with Beckett's diary and shoehorning in famous characters like Dracula, Vykos and Isabelle
>instead do this shit

Has Swedracula lost his mind?

>>51795074

I'm honestly amazed and appalled by the stupidity of White Wolf.

Yes, let's just go ahead and hire some pretentious social abusing stalker.

Would really love to see DavidH knock the skinny fucker's teeth in.

>>51795608
Its up to you to end the migrant crisis. Only you can save Sweden from the invading Batini menace.

>>51795476
I'm always up for a good cripple fight.

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Okay, this looks more promising, and I have heard it's well written. I've never had the opportunity to play Mage before, so this will be good for me.

>I didn't realize I was still capable of optimism. Huh.

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>>51795624

>>51795624

David would destroy Zak

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>>51795608
>mfw they can't make a Vampire game because the elders want them to come so they can feed on them and can't make a Werewolf game cause they'll kill them all

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>Most of them are boys and men.

See, this is how you fucking do it. You tell the whole story, and don't try to push an agenda.

That said, there is still time. But I can already appreciate there is a better writer at the helm this time.

>>51795715
to be fair, women have a ton of women only shelters. And I caj imagine they're somewhat nicer than a general shelters.

Its funny to think all started because David and Filomena started throwing stones from their oh so very glass house.

Its certainly good to see that fucker ruining changeling get knocked around.

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>>51795772

Sure, but my point is that so far this game is staying on topic without being preachy or diving off the leftist agenda cliff without a rightly maintained chute.

The writing is decent. I'm finding the border images rough on the eyes though. It looks good and fits the Mage aesthetic, but I'd prefer not to be blind by the time I'm done.

>>51795844

Well aren't you a special kind of bitch

>>51795844
>runing changeling
e1 was kind of shit both setting wise and more importantly mechanically. So anything would he better to what was before it.

And zac being a piece of shit with mental problems isn't their fault. He didn't start it either zac was a piece of shit human being the entire time.

>>51795853
eh, expatriate japanaboo getting his comeuppance for talking so much shit about things he knows nothing about. Sounds fair to me.

Tell me about your Autumn Court changelings /tg/.

>>51795844
>Its funny to think all started because David and Filomena started throwing stones from their oh so very glass house.

Can you expand?

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I'm trying to figure out what resonance this NPC would have about himself/his magic. If its not clear he uses a portal generator and the lightning calculator merit to murder local politicians.

>>51796226

>8mb

what kind of fucking image is this

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>>51796240
whoops. Kinda high forgot to reformat it.
>>51796226

>>51796171
>>51796171

The whole feud started because Filomena blew a gasket over Zak's group being featured in maxim. Called it bad for women, and gaming.

Zak called her on that bullshit, things devolved from there, David and Filomena had their fans harass Zak, and Zak responded in kind.

>>51796333

So in the end both parties dont deserve any pity

I mean one ruined a vampire videogame the other did this

>>51795844
>Its certainly good to see that fucker ruining changeling get knocked around.

>>51795844

Hey Zak. Spelling Filamena's name wrong doesn't make people think you're not Zak.

>>51796398
I'd argue Zak's contributions to gaming are more important then Hill's.

Not to mention the constan stream of harassment they send Zak's way first maxim, then contributor-gate, now this. They are dead set on trying to keep him from ever being hired by anyone again.

Its no-platforming regressive bullshit

>>51794968
>How would you make the Samuel Haight of CofD?

7th son of a 7th son or something of a revenant family, to get the Lucifuge and Ghoul powers in there.

Later that person awakens as a mage.

That's as far as I can take it.

>>51796420
I know its popular to accuse everyone who agrees with him of being Zak, but I'm not him. Just a poor old anon.

And I'll apologize for misspelling her name, it wasn't intentional.

>>51796434
>>51796464

This is Zak

>>51796434
Considering he's been harassing people for years under sock puppets and has done this to a shitload of people fuck him. He deserves it. This is the onky person and his contributions are shit if hes going to be a piece of shit who targets anyone he doesn't like. He's an aging egotisical man-baby. And David might have shitty opinions and his japan setting was a travesty but no he doesn't deserve to be stalked and harassed because he called out a piece of shit human being for being a piece of shit human being.

>>51796506


There's a Deadly Premonition joke somewhere in there.

Isn't that right Zak?

>>51796527
>deadly pemonition joke
get with the times grampa I know you're forty but come on.

The paranoia is real

>>51796621
I'm just having fun making fun a forty year old who looks like sixty and is a piece of shit. I don't like david's opinions on most things but I don't hate him as a person. Zak's just trash.

Remember these forty year old hippies would have been born in the early 80s

>>51796758

I think your math is a bit off there.

Late 70's would be 40ish.

>>51796758
>>51796772
He has a wiki on him. He was born in 76.

>>51796845

Well, I feel a bit better that he's older then me

*phew*

For anyone in doubt, DaveB was posting on Reddit about the current atmosphere at OPP. Needless to say its not good.

So even your saviour is really unhappy with this situation, its not just DavidH being fanny flustered about ZakS.

>>51794999

People are gonna say Changing Breeds, but I'm gonna say probably Changeling if you just want to be a cute sparkly girl with fox tail and ears, plus maybe some illusionary powers.

>>51796845
I might have been giving the benefit of the doubt, but wow, whats a middle age(41) man stalking dyes on the internet all about? like I know vamp brings out the weirdos but whats the fire all about?

>>51796904

They're all worried White Wolf is just going to bypass then as a writers pool.

>>51796527
I think you're reaching there, Zak.

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>>51796904
>DaveB
>my savior

Yeah, no. All these dumb motherfuckers need to grow up. Harassment and pictures of your kids' school and shit? Call the fucking cops. There is recourse, especially when stuff gets to the point of prosecution.

Be a fucking adult, not a shit-flinging monkey on the intertubes.

>>51796925
He's a painter and a writer. Most of them tend to be egotistical jackasses with fragile egos.

>>51796984
>Call the fucking cops

Already happened. They did nothing.

>>51796984
Apparently david did call the cops and just like restraining orders they actually do very little about it.

>>51796904
Where on reddit? Their wold of darkness forum is the only related sub I could think of that wasn't on private and nobody's posted their in seven days.

>>51796904
>For anyone in doubt, DaveB was posting on Reddit about the current atmosphere at OPP. Needless to say its not good.
>So even your saviour is really unhappy with this situation, its not just DavidH being fanny flustered about ZakS.

Do you have a link for that? I cant find it on reddit

>>51797033
/r/WhiteWolfRPG, it's in the thread about the preludes.

Wait what the fuck is going on?

>>51797078

Link?

>>51797092
White Wolf hired some Yale graduate porn star bully.

>>51796904

>Something Awful

shit my bad

>>51797045

Sorry guys, I meant Something Awful

>>51797158
Here's al ink. It's a whopping one line about 'not good'.

https://archives.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3712435&userid=187851&perpage=40&pagenumber=4

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>>51795028
Just finished working on the Echo Walkers.
Basically their entire schtick is about peeking at the Soul behind your normal Soul, then their attainments are about being the kind of kooky Spirit-Supernal-God-People they think preceded mankind, whose souls they're now using.
My headcanon is that they're kinda right, Dragons are the pre-human civilisation, their mass Ascension handed the world to the monkey-race so they could have a go. Which is why Dragons are sympathetic to every single Path.

So they can discern the nature of life, becoming immune to toxins/diseases, control their bodies, grant themselves a fraction of the pre-human race's power, and then control Sleepers en-masse.
For a Prime-Secondary Legacy, the Echo Walkers were actually pretty fun to make.

I actually put a pretty funny system in where to learn the later Attainments, you've got to knock an increasing number of Sleeper's souls out of alignment to get the glimpse of glory behind them. Also because that can easily be an Obsession, and they're addicted to following it, they can be a real fucking Beat engine.

Going to work on some of the other legacies before Logophages. That one would likely take up a ludicrous amount of time trying to figure out how to make the whole "eat secrets, get power" system work for 5 whole Attainments.

Two people asked for Perfected Adepts, so I'll give them a shot. Hopefully won't take too long.

>>51795844
>>51795904
>>51796333
>>51796434

Zak, fuck off and die - you're a burning mound of sweaty pubic hair masquerading as a human being. Your revisionist history is bullshit and your writing is garbage.

>>51797303


Tell us how you really feel anon,

>>51797303
Prelude was really that garbage? I heard it was bad.

>>51797303
>Your revisionist history

??

>>51797390
Anon still thinks I'm Zak, and he disagrees with the chain of events I posted earlier.

>>51797267
Wonderful work on the Echo Walkers, much appreciated!

>>51797401

I would disagree with you even if you weren't Zak shitposting on 4chan.

Cunt why would you even bother, you can't even sockpuppet as anyone '''''important'''''.

>>51797401
You're Zak
I'm Zak
We're all Zak!

>>51797430
It is funny that although Zak supposedly has a secret army of trolls, every time someone shows up to defend him, its actually just Zak.

>>51797431
I'm not Zak, I'm Alpharius

Could we all just shut up are start wanking Mage again?

So the Stunned tilt occurs if an attack deals damage equal to the size of the target (e.g. 5-6 damage).

Can spells also stun? It would make sense but I'm not sure if masters need even more ass kicking power.

>>51797596
Discussing douche writers makes me depressed

Discussing magefaggery makes me fucking angry

I would rather be angry than sad.

Mage wank it is.

>>51797596
>>51797635

As a Mage, how can I make myself into a better werewolf than a werewolf?

>>51797696
Why gimp yourself to fight like a werwolf?

>>51797696
By getting more xp then what a normal chronicle allows.

>>51797707

To prove that I'm better than them even at their niche of being a giant furry death machine in close combat.

>>51797303
I'm Sabbathicus!

>>51797717
I mean you could make yourself into a CQC demigod. But it would be a large investment of points and be useless for anything other than hypothetical white-room combat scenarios against a splat that will never be more than a 'guest star' in a competent chronicle.

Meanwhile actual Mage enemies like Seers, Scelesti, Outsiders, Abyssals, Tremere etc will be able to pound your sweet virgin butt like a white-boy who dropped the soap in San Quentin.

>>51797696
>>51797714

A certain moderator over at the OPP forums produced three melee Mage builds that out-did Werewolves in close-quarter combat.

One of them was inspired by Iron Man, I believe.

>>51797813
Mages fight very differently when compared to werewolves, always at a distance and never closing gaps.

It's like watching a knight facing off against a wizard.

>>51797833
Are you talking about the suit of siderite reinforced by perfected leather?

That shit was hilarious. I really wish we'd get more information on magical crafting in a open dev post.

Moros kind of feel incomplete right now without alchemy/crafting.

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>>51797898
I want that legacy thatade perfected metals back but thats hard without the rules for them.

>>51797954
Can't you make non-Lasting Pefected Metals using magic?

>>51797974
I meant a framework for the metals.

>>51797986
What do you mean?

>>51797997
Like rules for designing new metals.

>>51798006
Unlikely, there will probably be rules on how to go about perfecting, what can and can't be perfected, and what are some common items crafted with perfected materials.

But I doubt it'll have like a table to determine the properties of something like perfected Bismuth. There was a list of fan made materials from back in the days of 'Tome of the Mysteries?' that had rules for things like perfected Uranium which would destroy all mundane matter that came near it etc.

>>51795035

Thank you so much for this.

Guess I'll be getting his more complete artbook, I just love his style.

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>>51797267
Perfected Adepts were nice and easy...
Like every single fucking melee combat they get into after they learn Chi Strike.
Touch someone once, they lose their next action, and until they can take the one after that, they halve their Defense... So you can do it again, and again, and again.
Sure you can render it pretty hard for them to hit someone, but they're a Mage, they can likely get a pretty potent dice pool.

Also if you get to Gnosis 8, you can reform your body as you like.
Which includes re-defining your physical attributes to be the maximum possible value for your Gnosis.
Which given you're Gnosis 8... Is fair I feel.

>>51798195
Thanks.

ONE PUUUUUNCH!!!!!!

>>51795476
Hill please stop pretending you're some kind of badass on the internet, it's just sad.

>>51798195
So what are your design decisions with celestial masters it seems a little powerful and it kind of cuts off halfway.

>>51797886
Tell that to my shortsword-wielding Mystagogue.

Who uses Space when it isn't a smart idea to get too close

>>51798452
Also since dakshas forth attainment might be better off with regeneration. Any why is their hone the form so weak?

>>51798486
Mage's aren't helpless in melee. Hell, the Arrow's shtick is to punch their problems away. The goal of combat isn't honorable conflict. It's to murderfuck the other guy before he does it to you. Why give your enemy a sporting chance?

>>51798452
Celestial Masters are crazy fucking bullshit that only half-works with the 1e rules, and doesn't really work at all with the 2e rules.

First Attainment is simple, perceiving forces. Reach as to Instant Casting. Keep using to keep getting. Simple in application and effect. Space option is understanding sympathetic links, also Instant Casting.

Second attainment is "Zoom in", Reach as per Instant Casting, primary factor is Duration, secondary is Potency. Each level of Potency doubles view range, never specified can't be combined with vision enhancing tools. Then you add in Space to bend that turbo-enhanced view around corners. Also balanced, all replicable (and more potent) with actual spellasting.

Third Attainment is Shaping, with reach for Advanced Duration, and Advanced Scale, allowing you to warp non-solids, the Potency factor is in Scale as there's nothing else Potency can be used for in that spell other than changind durability and unless you're fucking with solids Durability is useless. Space option is Locate Object with a fair bit of reach. Don't blame me for the fact

Fourth Attainment is State Change, with reach in Instant and Sensory, with the Forces spell as Telekinesis, with the same. It's balanced, it works. Space option is a bit weird, it's a modification of the Ban spell located specifically around an object, so that the moving sphere of space cannot come into contact with anything else. It's basically Patterning the object into intangibility by removing collission control. Perhaps a reach too far, but it's highly limited in effect.

Fifth Attainment is Patterning energy and matter into other energy and matter. It shouldn't be Lasting, but I've decided that at Gnosis 8, the 5th attainment dot, I'm going to be a little lax with the rules. Reach is for Instant Casting, and Sensory range. Lasting is bullshit, but really? Gnosis 8 and you won't let them do that, even worse a second-degree Master at Gnosis 8? Space option is sensory-tele.

>>51798588
I see. Also auto failing close perception tests seems shitty for the second attainment. A penalty would be better it doesn't stop them from hearin or smelling.

>>51798555
>Regeneration
And do what, regenerate a dead organ for a time? Fuck that noise, just do that with relinquished Magic, Attainments are for stuff that's actually useful. I mean, you have to spend an entire experience to learn the attainment. Why would you do that if you could cast the spell just as well already?
Healing Sleeper wounds without Quiescence, Paradox, Dissonance, or Acts of Hubris is fan-fucking-tastic.

>Hone the Form is Weak
That's because it's balanced within the existing rules. If you want to change it so it isn't, be my guest.

>>51798620
You even read the section, son? They auto-fail visual tests, not auditory or scent based.

Also their optional arcanum, which every single one of them should have as it's one goddamn dot of their primary secondary Arcanum, renders that moot as they can see directly behind them with it.

>>51798622
I mean like werewolf regeneration. Since the daskha work on themselves healing others seems out of character. I know the kid thing creep you out but thematically it would also make sense if kids had there innate powers as well. up to their attainment.
>>51798637
that's true but it seems weird to have that penalty if magic negates it in the first place.

>>51795315

A bit. I don't think they ever did any Mage stuff besides updating the Whipping Boys to 2e, and it was OK, I guess.

>>51798686
Kid thing doesn't creep me out, that was for comedy. I was bored. I warned of that at the beginning.

Also no way in hell do they get that! Those abilities are from a shaped soul, the hermaprhoditism is a biological representation of their new base form contained in their DNA after that soul-shaping permitted them to change it in the first place.

Granting kids their innate abilities from birth? No fucking way. They get their schlong and cooch, but the actual mystical stuff like the hair loss, third eye and so forth? They have to awaken and develop their actual powers to get that. The Daksha also don't get to have automatically awakened kids.

>I mean like werewolf regeneration
Not a thing, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered with Mend at that dot level.

>Why have the penalty in the first place
Because some people won't, because it isn't required, and I put that in place to remind them that it's a good thing to pick up. I mean, no PC wouldn't, but certain NPCs would. Rushing into their Legacy without learning the conjunctive arcana.

>>51798581

Yeah, but the Adamantine Arrow still fights predominantly like any Mage

At a distance.

>>51796333
>>51796434

Zak started a round of harassment on Hill cause he didn't like his opinions on Star Wars. Call it throwing stones all you want, but the man's a pathetic pile of fragile ego and the pitch perfect example of what virtue signaling is.

>>51798739
I meant the attainments. Which are no longer magic but if they breed true they should be making kids which are like quarter proximi.

How couldn't regernating health at four dodts not be possible at the very least one lethal per turn or two bashing would make more sense ythen healing or two lethal and 3 bashing. at that point you should be able to do something similar. Or just downgrade hone the form up regeneration and make it 1a/3l/5b. if the legacy is about how perfect the daskha has become and its gnosis 8 life 5. They kind of get hosed compared to other attenments at least main arcana.

>>51798161

I'm honestly really bummed that the Vampire prelude didn't just get Bradstreet to do the art. To me, his style is pretty iconic for VtM, and probably should be its face for a reboot.

>>51798804
sorry for the spell errors posting from a forum.

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>>51798816

Either him or John Van Fleet would have been great.

>>51798804
Attainments are not Magic, but the capacity of a reforged, Awakened soul.
Their Soul permitted them to reshape their body into a hermaphrodite form. It does not permit them to pass its own soul-shaped capacity on to their kids.

I am not going to give the Daksha a method of mass-producing Sleepwalkers (which is what anyone with a innate Supernatural power is, BTW).

Also no, I'm not happy with that rate of healing.
If you want advanced healing, go turbo-charge Body Mastery with the reach option for lethal.
I have other things to do right now, like finish the Ascended Adepts.

>>51798833
>Attainments are not Magic

Attainments ARE magical in nature, but they are derived from the shape of the Soul, rather than the Supernal Realms.

They're not spells, more so something you have developed innately over time.

>>51798833
Weren't their kids sleepwalkers in the first book? Eh whatever, its not a legacy almost any pc will get but they do feel much weaker at the end of the day then other legacies.

>>51795327
I'm pretty sure they'd call Smith a Hero.

Oh god, could you imagine a Zak S. stand in showing up in another supplement? Fuuuck

>>51798195

My thanks to you, Anon.

>>51798871
>magical
But Souls are a natural part of the world, and so is soul-crafting.
So really to me it isn't "magic" so much as mystic.

>>51798913
Nope, nothing in the book about that.
Yeah, well that's the rub of it I'm afraid.
Life has some pretty garbage abilities when you want your entire legacy to be about persisent perfect, and not amping yourself up to the nines.
Could possibly do what I did with the Perfected Adepts and let them re-define themselves up to maximum stats in everything...
Actually you know what? I just fucking did.
Copy-pasted that over.
There you go hombre, one Daksha Legacy full with Gnosis 8, Life 5 ubermench.
That'll be in the next release, which will be in a few minutes when I finish the Ascended Adept's Yantras.

>>51798975
Lige is certainly a weird grab bag its a lot of buffing and debuffing essentially. Though the debuffing feels more potent as removing dots makes it easier for the team than just buffing.

Also as much as I like perfected adepts no roll auto stun tilt would never be allowed in any game my gms would make. Its just too strong.

>>51798975
>to me

That's right. Keep it all in your headcanon. I'm going off of Dave's words here. Attainments aren't spells, but they are damn magical in nature.

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>>51799029
It's pretty bullshit, but here's the thing, still gotta hit.
You've gotta make your character around it to be able to use it on everything, and even then people can still go intangible or use something which hard-counters melee attacks, like their 4th attainment Turn Velocity.

Okay, so here's the Ascended Adepts.
A bit weird these blokes, they don't have a Secondary Attainment instead they get extra Mind-based Attainments under the caveat that they can only affect things related to dreams, or under the purview of dreams, or through dreams.

And that's all for tonight folks.
Might take a look at the Transhuman Engineers, Blank Badges, and even (urgh) the Logophages tomorrow when I'm stuck on my uni society's RPG stall for about 6 hours.

As always, reply with requests, and I might just get around to them.

>>51798975
So I guess everything that isn't Supernal in origin, isn't exactly magic?

Nice logic.

>>51799082
Sisterhood of the Blessed? please? I'll suck your dick.

>>51799082
Thats not really an issue. Its easy to connect a blow than it is to do damage. A roll wpuld balance it out better as nothing in mage is uncontested so much as stacked in your favor.

>>51799082

CHRYSALIDES PLS PLS PLS

>>51799144
I agree.
However it's also a 2-dot spell.
So really it's more of an issue with the spell than the Attainment.

>>51798871
>>51798975
>>51799066
>>51799085
You're all right and all wrong at the same time.
Shut up and produce more Legacies, please.

>>51799207
you kno i just breeze over forces most times. It's kind of the least interesting of v the bunch.

>>51799220
Forces is easily the most versatile of the Arcana
You need to sit down

>>51799220
>Forces
>least interesting
I think you meant Prime.

>>51797696
>As a Mage, how can I make myself into a better werewolf than a werewolf?

Step 1: Choose Thrysus as your Path.

Step 2: Thyrsus Supremacy (over werewolves)

>>51799267

Hey now, Prime is plenty interesting if you're being creative with it. Imbued Items are great. Plus you can fuck around with other Mages easier than an Acanthus.

>>51797954
>I want that legacy that made perfected metals back

Yes to Forge Masters!

>>51799277
Plus with Platonic Form as an attainment?
Hoooooo boy.

>>51799277
Prime is great and interesting. Just not as great or interesting as the other Arcana.

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Do you ever put some music on during your games? If so, what kind?

>>51799082

In some of your revised Legacies, you are not consistent with the choice of secondary Arcana.

I thought each Legacy had a set Ruling and Secondary Arcanum for all attainments, not a use whatever secondary Arcanum you want for at each applicable Gnosis level?

>>51799277
>>51799267

NuPrime seems like it has a lot of potential, but we need many more sample effects to fully understand its limits and potential.

This should be included in DaveB's now mythical promised FAQ. As the "Supernal Arcanum," Prime will also hopefully receive a lot of attention in Signs and Sorcery (if SoS ever leaves "Development").

>>51799493
Secondary Arcana don't have to be fixed, it is suggested that you select them from the Path's ruling Arcana, however this is not strict rule.

In fact many of the Legacies which I've been adaptiving have had secondary Arcana from outside of the host Path, and in those cases I've tried to accomodate that.

I'm trying to update Legacies from 1e to 2e as faithfully as possible (while adding at least 2 additional Attainments), and that includes reproducing their weird secondary Attainment requirements.

Speaking of music, does anybody have the Succubus club playlist saved?

>>51799572

Sure thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vympzV240mM

01. The Crüxshadows - Deception [Ravnos] - 4:59
02. Seraphim Shock - Prey [Lasombra] - 4:19
03. Paralysed Age - Bloodsucker 2000 [Tzimisce] - 4:56
04. Wench - Heart of darkness [Followers of Set] - 4:53
05. Sunshine Blind - Cold from fever [Ventrue] - 4:04
06. Bella Morte - Fall no more [Gangrel] - 5:05
07. Carfax Abbey - Soul to bleed [Malkavian] - 4:49
08. Beborn Beton - Hemoglobin [Assamite] - 4:09
09. Mission U.K. - Last beat of your heart [Brujah] - 2:59
10. Kristeen Young - Rotting on the vine [Nosferatu] - 3:44
11. Nosferatu - The night is young [Giovanni] - 5:20
12. Diary of Dreams - Blind in darkness [Tremere] - 6:23
13. Neuroactive - Superficial [Toreador] - 6:50

And if you want to download it:

https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4017568

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First time playing V:tM. The GM was intentionally vague on what splat we would be playing and had us roll up human characters and after some initial RP turns out we're playing vampire. My character firmly believes that vampires are the spawn of Satan though, and, believing he can no longer make it into heaven no matter what, figures he might as well use his newly found moral freedom to make the world a better place and purge as many vampires as he can.

The GM gave us double ability points, double background points, 2 extra discipline points, 10 extra freebie points, and is starting us off at generation 10. What can I do with all this to optimize for vampire slaying? Also, does anyone have any tips for getting away with a vampire killing spree?

>>51799807
You're gonna get killed fast with that plan.

>>51799839
But it'll be one hell of a death if he plays his cards right.

>>51799839
Oh, undoubtedly. I just wanna have a good run before I go out.

>>51799854
Then go full combat. Protip: Don't diablerize.

>>51799907
I'm thinking of going hard into potence and celerity and then getting 2 ranks in protean for the claws. Obviously maxed combat abilities, and I was thinking 4 strength / 3 dexterity / 3 stamina for stats. Is this a fairly standard combat build or am I missing something obvious?

>>51799959
Gangrel with celerity and potence or Brujah with protean? Stats seem good, try to go melee.
I don't know, really. I can't remember the sistem that well and I can't find my V20 book so now I've got to find it because now I'm afraid I actually lost it.

>>51800020
Brujah with protean. If I live long enough celerity and potence are both disciplines I want to raise, whereas I can live with just the 2 ranks of protean.

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Life magick of Ascension is weaker than the Life magic of Awakened. You can't even shapeshift as an ascended mage until you put in five dots.

>>51800247
The reverse is also true with some of the others. Forces in Ascension can conjure atomic blasts with 5 dots, while in Awakening it requires Archmastery, Forces 6.

>>51795389
>Though I thought you had to drain the 'target' dry? And basically 'fight' souls, in a battle of wills no thinblood should have won over an experienced Tremere?
>>51795437
>It's possible, monty coven diablerized Mithras but after some time Mithras possessed him

Diablerie can end in several ways, depending on the generational gap inbetween the two vampires, but the bigger the generational cap, the worse a failure becomes for a Diablerist. There's (mainly) three ways in which a Diablerie ends:

1. The Diablerist consumes the Victim's soul wholly, and nothing of the Victim's soul remains. This is a 100% win for the Diablerist, and is nearly impossible (note the NEARLY) to pull off if you're a thinblood or something equally weak trying to snack on a Methuselah's soul.

2. The Diablerist's soul is wholly consumed by the Victim, and the Victim possesses the Diablerist's body: they gain all of the Diablerist's memories and any additional Disciplines that they might not have known before the attempted Diablerie: this is a 100% failure for the Diablerist, and becomes more and more likely the wider the generational gap is.

3. The Diablerie doesn't end in a complete win for either soul: personalities can mix, important memories might end up being forgotten, derangements might occur, the Victim's Nature and Demeanor can end up switched, and the end result is that both former personalities merge together, and a wholly new person emerges from the mix.

Essentially, the third result is what happened to Mithras/Monty. He has memories of being both Monty and Mithras, and yet he's now something more and something less, all at the same time.

>>51800247
>as an ascended mage

What?

>>51800330
Mage from Ascension, Anon's garbling terms.

>>51794968

Im reading through nWoD 1e Mage, the spells, and I don't really see how they are *that* powerful. How would the average life/spirit-mage take on a werewolf as an example? Throw some bees at him?

>>51799299
Could you elaborate, please? I've read both the attainment and the base spell, but I can't shake the feeling that the spell is crazy expensive, and the attainment is inflexible because it needs a scene.

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>>51800330
>>51800338
nah

>>51800280
>>51800280
>I can summon nuclear blasts!
>Oh yeah? FORM OF...RHINO!

These five dot attainments are not equal famalam.

I'm not for reducing anyone's power but come on now. There should be some more overt Lovecraftian monster transformation going on at 5 dots.

Did Ascension limit how many active spells a mage could have active? Or is every creature you create just free to wander off?

>>51800360
1e nWoD Mages could cast spells as a ritual.
Getting a number of rolls with their dice pool, equal to their dice pool, accumulating successes across the whole bunch.

More than enough to do whatever the fuck you wanted with even the smallest investment.

>>51800387
Okay basically Attainments decrease any Mana cost higher than 1 down to one. So every usage of a Platonic Form attainment thus costs 1 mana, for as many uses as you want. You also don't have to worry about spell control, so you can have them prepared and in your pocket. You can also absorb the final point of Mana before yo use it up, ensuring that you never run out of mana.

And a scene's worth of preparation to create a long-lasting item? A pittance.

>>51800418

But does not help in the heat of things.

>Hold on Uratha! Let me sit down and do a ritual!

In Mage 2e, does the Life 2 Attainment for Mage Armor allow a mage to apply his Defense to Firearm attacks?

If not, Thyrsus Mage Armor options for Life and Spirit are not particularly impressive.

>>51800418
Granted, it just seems that most tools you would create with the attainment could easily be acquired through different, even nonmagical means, without the number of uses restriction. Or am I still missing something?

>>51800466
That's a thing, too, but I honestly see that as a reasonable tradeoff.

>>51800466
The discussion was about how interesting the Arcanum is, not some insipid "my Dad could beat up your Dad" discussion.

Plus you can always cast it as a spell in the present if pushed for time.
With two reach, you can create a Platonic RPG.

>>51800490
>Or am I still missing something?
Enhancement Bonuses in excess of the norm.
Getting items you have no reasonable way of acquiring.

Platonic Form can create literally anything.

>>51800492
>you can create a Platonic RPG

What the damage bonus on a copy of the deluxe edition of M20 or Mage 2e?

1E Werewolves were notorious for being weak, Mages did not need to use Rituals to tear them asunder.

2E Werewolves are now incredibly beefy yet still go down hard against, say, a Thyrsus or similar specced Mage.

2E Mage is both weaker -and- stronger than 1E. Not as much abuse, but the leeway Is just far greater.

>>51800507
Hm, right. I guess I have to see how it shakes out in play.
If I ever will play.

>>51800517
Depends how much you sharpen them.

>>51800466
I don't think you realize how easy it is for a Mage to confront and demolish a single Uratha if they play it smart.

But are all Mages smart? Hmmmm, they sure are paranoid, which is even better for survival.

>>51800567
>>51800517

M20 pretty friggin huge (and still sucks).

I would say +1, and causes the Knockdown Tilt. It also imposes -2 to defense.

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>>51800360
Life/Spiritaboo here. This scenario keeps me up at night.

With spirit it's implicit that you've used your powers to make spirit allies.

The best thing you can offer a powerful spirit isn't mana, those Lords know where to get mana.

You can offer them an unoccupied human body in return for responding to calls for their help once in a while.

But outside of getting Spirits to tear him apart or granting you ridiculous silvery boons.

Depending on your life dots you can turn into an eldritch horror and coat your bone scythes with the venom of the box jellyfish, that shit can shut down elephants. Make your blood the equivalent of acid. Scales that rival adamantine, tentacles of a giant squid so he never gets close, Sidestep paradox by fighting in the Shadow realm.

And no life mage goes outside without doing that 2 dot rote that makes you heal bashing and maybe lethal as fast as a werewolf at least. Back when I played you could do an extended cast and get like ten boxes of bashing or maybe lethal damage healed a round as well as forgo your need to eat or sleep.

Also immunize yourself and exhale ebola or smallpox or bubonic plague with every breath, coat your scales with a cocktail of AIDS and Syphilis, it'll impede him long after the fight.

Or you can do the boring stuff like transforming into a fly or a bacterium and trying to paralyze/blind the werewolf from your invisible vantage point. Maybe you can land on his shoulder and then shapechange into a mammoth.

With spirit I think you can shut down the mana that spirits get from their special loci, that could bait out the wolf.

And spirit gives you access to fetishes, which can let you replicate the powers of spirits without paradox raping you if someone sees. It's been a while since I read that spirit book so I forgot the cool powers.

You could bind the werewolf's favorite spirit into a fetish and force it to serve you.

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>>51800467
Neophyte: What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?
Grand Druid: No, Neo. I’m trying to tell you that when you’re ready, you won’t have to.

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>>51800466
If the mage knows of the werewolf it's over. If the mage for whatever reason is able to spot the Uratha he will retreat unhindered and ritual himself up and then track down the Uratha using spirits or Space and demolish him in a method of his own choosing.

Wolfmen need to win by finding out who the mage is and taking his family hostage.

>>51800676
Why are you posting a screenshot from mommy porn?

>>51800676

And now that 2E is out, Mages need only glare at the dog to kill it dead.

I do love Masters.

>>51795005
Fangs of Mara, please?

>>51798917
You mean Null Snyper?

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>>51800688
I've fallen behind, which book covers Masters and Oracles?

And is there a way to get that five dot correspondence spell into Space where you open a window to the Mariana's trench and the water DOES flow through?

>>51800685
>pic related

>>51799082
Attaching my request for Fangs of Mara.

>>51799807
Slip intel to Vampire hunters. Find out which Vampire hates who and ratchet up the tensions.

>>51800721
Its okay anon we all have our fetishes. Just thought it was an odd picture for here.

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>2e Mage errata: Analyze life: Determines sex, not gender

>>51800758
That's actually pretty brilliant. Definitely going to see if I can go down this avenue once the campaign starts.

>>51800610

Sure, this is all reasonable. But of course a 5-dot lifer can win against an average werewolf, that's to be expected, but what about a 3-dot mage? I can't think of anything better than a bee-bomb, desu.

>>51800967
Are you still talking first edition? Because Mages can fuck you up at 3 dots in second edition.

>>51800987

First, I'm not so keen on LGBBQ-ed.

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>>51800967
I believe most of those shenanigans can be accomplished at 4 dots. 5 dots lets you make a menagerie of fantastic beasts that won't be detected until they've eviscerated their target.

Gonna be mulling this over, does the mage only have 3 dots in life? What does the werewolf have dots in?
From the top of my 1e head and before I could check the new 2e:

Three dots in life lets you animate a tree like the Buggering Birch in Harry Potter. Never fight a life mage in a redwood forest.

He would still have that 2 dot rote, which he could munchkin into an absurd dice pool for werewolf level of healing [though I've forgotten the limitations on rituals]

With that shape simple life attainment affecting all invertebrates he could manipulate some common bacteria into ebola and then influence some mosquitos to drink that up and then send them to poison the werewolf. Then avoid the werewolf for a week. He might be able to do that with the bacteria naturally on the werewolf's skin.

I haven't read awakening in a long while but I believe metamorphosis is at four dots so the mage would still be visible because he'd need to see his target. But with being able to manipulate trees he could create a hollow [redwoods have huge gaping hollows] and then fuse himself inside with some air holes to peek through. Probably would be sniffed out, unless there's a 3 dot way to suppress his own odor which there might be. He might be able to trap the wolf inside a tree as well and suffocate him.

The bee plan could work, just transform several stinging bees into box jellyfish. Those dosages of neurotoxins will wreck anything's brain.

And correct me if I'm misremembering but there's a 3 dot way to make that wolf go blind or hallucinate or go into cardiac arrest or pass out, and perhaps permanently paralyze. I always preferred monster battles to save or dies though.

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>>51800967
>Entangling roots on werewolf
>Transform the roots into a redwood
>Wolf is either crushed outright or trapped within ten feet of hardwood in all directions.

>>51801185

I don't have the Forsaken rulebook at hand but surely they would have crazy resistances to poisons/toxins/diseases? I'm fairly sure that Werewolves add their splat-power-rating (I forget the name) to all resistance rolls, could be quite tricky to get through.

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>>51801271
Perhaps I am biased to the efficacy of neurotoxins doled by the half ounce. But the life mage style of fighting would be to avoid the Wolf and to constantly be sending those mosquitoes and flies with terrible plagues.Wolfman will pass most saves but it will be an hourly affair until the desired results are achieved. Eventually that wolf will fail his save and then the long term effects of Small pox and ebola will ravage his vulnerable body.

Also crushing the wolf with huge animated trees would be nice.

Also a mage could get an eagle to drop a tortoise on the wolfman's human formed head. Accuracy won't be great but the mage can keep birds in the sky 24/7 [Did you believe Aeschylus's died by chance?] He'd never see it coming. That could be a constant affair as well.

For the enemy of a thyrsus there would be constant biting insects, brain eating disease, black bubos sprouting out of armpits and groin, and threat of bowling ball like projectiles whenever he's outside.

He might be able to use detect life to find wolfy's gut flora and then transform them into a bobbit worms. Ever seen Dreamcatcher?

If forced to confront the wolf, he'd be under the protection of that redonk body mod rote that lets him heal, as well as being able to cast heal, as well as be protected by his mage armor, and hopefully he would have silver ammunition and could outlast his ambusher. And if the mage was expecting to be attacked, he would have hanged healing spells on his person.

Gonna have to find an Awakened pdf and see what other tools he would have in an ambush.

But yeah the best time to kill a mage is before it has more than 1 dot. But babykilling is never that much fun.

>>51798816
>>51798816
Is Bradstreet even back to a regular 'mentally stable' point to DO art? It took like an extra year for him to to do like, 20 pieces of 'art' (and I honestly can't tell what's 'Bradstreet' about them, it's a bunch of photoshopped people on art backgrounds) for the deluxe MET Vampire book..

>>51801455

Hm, I think I will have to make some white-room fights with a buddy to settle this.

>>51801798

It's not going to end well for the werewolf if the mage plays it smart.

>>51800308
Yeah but his character description mentions it's only a matter of time before Mithras takes control

>just finished reading soul cage

Well that was a strange combination of bad ass and extremely depressing.

>mages
>think they can do anything against a werewolf other than ask the spirits to grant them something that'll make their anus extra elastic to accommodate the knot

>>51802391

I can't tell if this is a Mage that wants yo be daddy-dommed by a Werewolf, or a Werewolf with a fetish for low rent fuckboi twink Mages.

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qt Thyrsus

>>51802650

At least you got a new image.

Whats the best way to play a Mage who acts as a coach to mages with raw talent? He sees developing the talent of new up and coming mages as a form of obsession.

>>51802677

>Hey kid... that's some uehh... nice magick you gots there... mind if I... give you a hand?

>>51802677

Be the ST and have an experienced mentor NPC look out for the PCs.

>>51802662
I don't like it to be honest.

>>51802650
Go back to the original or get a better new one. 4/10, would not form a cabal with.

>>51802677
As a PC, you're inducting a neophyte into your Legacy. Or you are trying to convince them to join your order. Or prevent them from joining the Seers.

As an ST, do the same thing. Or have the NPC playing the political game.
One of my players favorite memories was when they were given the equivalent of votes/tokens of favor, during the process of 'electing' a new Heirarch for the Consillium, and trying to figure out who had how much sway/tokens and who they needed to convince.

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>>51802677
>So son, the Hierarch tells me you like to use your grimoire as a conduit to summon abyssal entities

>Well you'll be doing a lot of summoning when you're living in A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER

>All you young mages running around like "Look at me I got potential I'm going to turn all the vampires into lawn chairs"

>When in reality you're going to amount to jack squat and up like me living in A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER.

What exactly is a Mage with raw talent if all Mages have all the same potential?

>>51803111
Rate of advancement and degree of power. A mediocre mage might take 6-8 years to become a 'mere' master. A prodigy could become a third degree master with multiple arcana at adept level in the same amount of time.

>>51803178
So what does being a Mage coach entail? You find the best Obsessions for a Mage? The Mysteries most suited to them?

>>51799492
I play the hotline miami soundtrack during my miami hunter game. It works great

>>51803206
You force them to get off their ass and have some adventures. After all, more experience and beats come your way with an active life of delving into the mysteries and generally being like a PC.

>>51803178
A mediocre mage might never become a master at all.

>>51802892
Thank you for that.

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>>51802650
>>51803261

>>51803903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDF4bMoo0KM

>>51798788
>but the man's a pathetic pile of fragile ego and the pitch perfect example of what virtue signaling is.
Which one are you talking about? Pronouns used with such similar people make it hard to differentiate

I'd like to thank Zak S for rescuing this thread from the blackhole of fun that is Endless Magechat, if only for a short while

>>51804057
You will beg for mage-posting in the near future.

>>51804078

Hunter 2e is going to destroy this thread. I feel like Vigil might be the Third Rail of the CofD, and people are going to react strongly no matter what with its design.

>>51804057
If phenomenal cosmic power posting doesn't interest you, than post something that does.

Who thinks that making damage from absorbing Paradox lethal is a good and necessary rule?

>>51795619
>#TheTechnocracyDidNothingWrong

>>51804144
Personally I think it should be Aggravated damage instead. Bashing is too easy to heal, even resistant. Resistant Lethal is decent, but when you have no other damage it is easy to trivialize. Absorbing the Abyss into your Pattern should hurt more than Resistant Lethal. I
And maybe if we make it Aggravated I'll finally get to use Abyssal Manifestations, instead of my players always absorbing the damn thing.

>>51804144
Resistant bashing is fine. If your players aren't having to contend with paradox you're not pushing them hard enough.

Playing Mage is giving you carte blanche to live out all your sadistic jackass DM fantasies.

People should be losing limbs, instant death due to a Seer sniper, etc.

>>51804545
>People should be losing limbs, instant death due to a Seer sniper, etc.
And you do this to your players?

>>51804618
I know my Mage NPCs were always prepped V snipers when I ran a game. Why expect any less from your players.

>>51804545
>Resistant bashing is fine.
IMO it's healing too fast. So fast that releasing Paradox is almost never a good option, because most of the time, you can just contain it.

>>51804627
Yeah but do you do that to your players?

>>51799082
The Illuminated Path would be pretty great.

So, how is newly Awakened mage introduced into local society? Does the special session of Consilium held to introduce novice? Or does "we saw him, we keep him" works?

>>51804662
No they are usually too dumb to follow obvious threads and just leave mysteries sitting there so the entire background plot is often in a weird holding pattern. A non-telegraphed sniper would be cruel.

>>51804102
I mean the fluff between 1e and 2e of CofD aren't often that radically different, save some actual improvements and scaling what gets focused on. What do you think HtV 2e might change to incite mass riots in here?

>>51804860
I hope the monster building portion is even better than its 1e counterpart.

>>51804860
I'll bet they are going to have LGBT hunters hunting some bigot vampires and stabbing them to death with pink dildos.

>>51804927
>Not keeping pink wooden dildos in your nightstand in case of vampire attack.

>>51804927
Pink dildo stakes, yaaaay

In other news, `they` deployed Wheaton against Zak.

>>51804973

Oh boy here we go, an actual cripple fight!

>>51804618
All of that and far far worse. If they wanted to bitch and moan about how terrible it is to have superpowers they'd be playing vampire.

If you want to play with time people are going to be regularly 1-shot killed in fights.

If you can teleport you're going to find yourself stranded in the middle of an antarctic blizzard with no sympathetic connection back.

If you can cure cancer with a glance your family will be targeted by gene-coded super ebola.

Being a Mage means you've entered the big leagues when it comes to power, so the consequences must be that much greater.

>>51804973
>`they` deployed Wheaton against Zak.
Link? gotta keep up on this drama.

>>51804973
Who's 'they'? If Hill and his ilk had any power to deploy Wheaton they'd have done it a long time ago.

>>51805013
>If you can teleport you're going to find yourself stranded in the middle of an antarctic blizzard with no sympathetic connection back.

What? You always have your own personal connections. People have a ton, it'd be an enormous feat to steal everyone's personal sympathies without them noticing to totally abandon them. You can only take so many per use of the spell to do so

>>51804860

I am just picturing DaveB and whoever is designing Hunter in a duel to the death. DaveB protecting the honor of his awakening waifu against the mean hunters who wish to make hunter a threats to mages.

>>51805101
Why though? Even in 1e hunters never actually hunted Mages. They hunted pseudo-mages built using hunter rules. Why would they change that for 2e?

>>51805101
The trick to hunting mages is like hunting werewolves, don't ever let it become a whole pack/cabal thing. And outnumber them in ambush and at long range.

Any mage with the right arcana will see it coming, but fuck it the ones who Hunters would actually hunt aren't likely the nicest or smartest ones out there anyway. As with all things hunter, if you tip your hand you'll probably die to a cabal/pack/coterie/mummy cult with barely a whimper

>>51805074
You can also isolate somebody from their connections. Sure it's a clash of wills every time he tries and he'll eventually succeed. But if he's in street clothes in balmy -90 ºC weather he'll have more immediate concerns.

He survived got horrific frostbite for his trouble but the cabal managed to bail him out. Got a load of beats for it too.

>>51804973
>In other news, `they` deployed Wheaton against Zak.

Do you have a link? i wanna read this shitshow

>>51804973
Is the main event gonna feature Raggi vs Phil in a no-holds barred hell in a cell match?

>>51805071
C'mon, anon. Do you really not know who {{{they}}} are? Or should I call you {{{anon}}}?

>>51805263

Phil takes a hit and wins with 9 hours of incoherent stream of thought babbling.

>>51804691
Awakening is like banging a Gong in the fallen world.
Depending on first reponders, he'll either be swept up by the Council, the Diamond, or the Seers.
If nobody arrives, he's stuck figuring out his Magic on his own until another Mage notices with peripheral Mage Sight and approaches him.

Regardless of which faction, they'll try and educate/indoctrinate them into their philosophy, but if part of the Pentacle and the person isn't a great fit for one Order, they'll send him to another.

There's generally cooperation between and within the Orders to provide a Mage with the initial necessary education, however unless there's a serious issue (like the new Mage being a minor or ludicrously fucking famous) there's no need to get the Consilium involved.

>>51802125

True, but the upcoming "Beckett's Jyhad Diary" mentions that it's not for certain that Mithras will emerge as the victor, and that the "gestalt" of Mithras/Monty *might* actually end up being completely stable.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KLDVSr2f2bIVGBLtXSwjl65J1p-zHcoNQK51mw1eiTw/pub

> It is rare indeed for an 11th Generation neonate to successfully consume a 4th Generation Methuselah. The gestalt is still very unstable, and Mithras might take over Coven completely. Indeed, Kemintiri seems bent on ensuring this outcome, convinced that her Mithras is still inside Coven only awaiting someone to free him to assume his former glory.

>But — but — if the gestalt holds, then Coven will eventually start to wonder whether the process can be replicated. Mithras had many childer, most of whom were disappointments. A few still exist but are so weighed down with age they still dress in clothes from the 17th century. What would happen if those vampires were consumed by Kindred who were much weaker in blood and yet far stronger in will? Would their knowledge and power also be preserved into new personalities that can adapt to the new era? And if such experiments bear fruit, would Coven begin searching for an 11th or 12th generation Kindred who is strong enough and vital enough to consume the soul of Kemintiri and bring his former lover into the new age?

>>51804944
>Not using your home defense dragon dildo that you should have ready at all times.
t. /k/

>>51805409

The problem I have with this is that every mage-game where you want newly awakened mages will turn into Harry Potter & friends at !Hogwarts.

>>51800610
Or you know. you could directly remove his dots in stamina/strength/dex and if any go down to zero. The fight is over.

>>51805851
It depends on how you want Mage schooling to work. I've been in a game where all of the Mages were recently Awakened, and were all apprenticed to an older mage who had us running errands in return for his assistance in finding Mages of appropriate skill to teach us.

>>51805939
Desiccate/Weaken the Alien
10/10 Best Banisher spell

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Amazing. One of the companies actually involved might tell Zak to suck a dick. Or might come to the same conclusion as WW. Who knows. So exciting.

>>51806132
>We take this very seriously- we are at NYTF now, but will have an answer as soon as we get to the bottom of it.

>>51806132
Wait, what is happening? I've been ignoring the shit about Zak since I assumed it was some writer fucking up and offending some group or another.

Is this something way more complex?

>>51806287
No its basically that. Its just the group offended is also OPP writers.

Waitasec
>Elricsson is an edgy Swede
>Zak works for Elricsson
>Raggi is an edgy American in Finland
>Zak has worked for Raggi
>yfw Raggi and Elricsson make Flame Princess: the Lamentation
>yfw you have no face

>>51806302
It doesn't help that Zac's attackers try to double down with everything and turn one instance of harassment into the blanket statement of 'hes a transphobe'. Really weakens the case when you over stretch.

>>51806302

DaveH's case seems legit, I don't know about the rest.

>>51806132
Who are Asmodee?

>>51806454

Guys who own FFG and every boardgame that matters except Monopoly, Risk or Battleship.

>>51806420
Oh he was def harassed and threatened by Zac's posse, but there isn't any actual evidence presented of anything but Zac's fans being awful piles of shit.

>>51805851
In my setting Mages that aren't snatched up by the Seers or worse are quickly picked up by the Guardians and evaluated to make sure they're not banishers.

Afterwards they're handed over to an established Master for initial training. Their mentor will eventually sponsor them at the Councilia where they're recognized. After recognition they're free to join an Order/Legacy.

Many will work as auxiliary for Cabals of Orders and Legacies they want to join until they can establish a recognized Cabal of their own.

They have to attain mastery before they're allowed to take students of their own or be able to vote in local Counsilia politics.

>>51806484

And Zak himself for instigating them.

>>51806510
Except you actually have to prove that. And I've yet to see anyone do that. Otherwise you just end up with a polarizing situation of he said, she said.

>>51806484
Consideribg there are sfren shoots of him calling attacks on people and fucking sock-puppetin accounts its hard to believe its not him.

>>51806540

Lol ok Zak

>>51806555
The only thing i've seen presented is the reddit posts where he claims it was some one else using his computer. With no evidence to counter his claim. Its stupid. But the only case built seems to be one of rumors and lack of information.

>>51806573
Dude, you're acting like /pol/. Just replace "Zak" with "Jew"

>>51806586

Someone using his computer for a year pretending to be someone he doesn't like. Riiiiggghhhttt.

Well since it's all about Zak now can somebody tell me what he's actually guilty of?

All I've gathered from lurking is just killer trannies and pictures of schools and pornos and a degree from Yale.

>>51806600

Sure thing Zak

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>>51801798
I Read the 3 dot attainments for life. Every time an insect lands on the wolf it can be turned into a tree a la transform base life.

It would be easier to change a grove of oaks into a swarm of bees and then dispel it when they sting the wolf.

For a white room the mage can carry a bag of acorns and accomplish the same thing. Or tear open a joint and transform his flower particles.

He could change seeds/weed into jumping spiders and then make them as large as cows and trigger their brains to attack only werewolves. While that's going on he could focus on the intricacies of getting trees to land atop his enemy, or run up the wall and attack the wolf from the ceiling with tentacle arms which detach when seized.

Also for the fight don't forget he honed his body so his defense is maxed as is his health.

Also he can modify the median form at 3 dots. Meaning he as any feature from any living thing [except humans kek] So he can give himself hard wood infused flesh, giving himself max armor. Also if his core is solid wood he won't bleed out until duration's end. And if the white room is big, he can sprout wings and remain out of reach. Or give himself gecko feet and run up a wall and cast from the ceiling.

Other fun options include nudibranch tentacles so whatever hits him gets stung every round.
Cheetah speed
Elephant strength
Elephant stamina
Cat eyes [Nightman]
Tentacle arms for twenty foot reach

Growing claws is also a last resort option


Good thing there's no pollen inside white rooms unlike outside everyday. Each grain can be made into a tree.

You will be crushed by trees is what I'm trying to convey. And if the mage transfers a lampreys mouth and squirmy mobility onto a big long tree, imagine fighting that.


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>>51801215
>>51801185

>>51806607
Someone using his computer recently, who has been using that account for a while. I've literally had that happen to me. Where I've posted under someone else's name who was just using my computer.

Do anyone know where the whole "Zak Vs Wheaton" happened?

>>51806586
>it was my friend using my computer, typing like do, sounding like I do
Look online for his past behavior he was kicked out of rpg.net for a reason. RPG.net. the most autistic place on earth. He has no defense he's a scumbag. He shouldn't be working in WW. Not because he's a scumbag but hecause he's responsible for the harassement of other writers on the team it wasn't just david. david is just the most vocal about it. But his writing is shit and he's a piece of trash.

>>51806635

Uh huh.

>>51806684
>kicked out of rpg.net for a reason
Is there some neat handy guide that isn't reading 20 pages of old posts? Other wise this is a moot point I've seen made multiple times, without any actual references that aren't 'search rpg.net'.

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>>51805939

You can't degrade the form at 3 dots you free council hack.

Stick to tarot cards and spreading rumors that life mages are buff/debuff bots when I'm not around.

>>51806724
Basically he was sock puppetting an account that attacked people he didn't like. Got found out got banned on his own and the sock puppet. He's not very good at pretending he's someone else.

>>51806752
That was from a life five perspective when I replied. Also, isnt degrading one trait at 3 and all three at the same time 5. I have to look at the rules again but i thought there was a progression

>>51802161
One of us! One of us!

>>51806600

/pol/ is right on most things though.

>>51803206
If you're a Guardian, surreptitiously handing over Mysteries that won't lead to atrocities on part of the student.

>>51806634

Hm, rather interesting. I haven't been through the whole mage-book yet, but surely there's some limits on targeting microscopic things or becoming a microscopic thing? Otherwise the life-mage could just become an amoeba and fling fireballs or something while invisible and basically untouchable.

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>>51806795
You can degrade the form at 3 dots but you must touch the Werewolf and get him to fail a saving throw.

Also the wolf's buffed stamina is removed from your dice pool, not sure how many successes you'd roll with 1 dice.

Because you'd need multiple successes to reduce him to a prone pupper.

It will take several castings to overcome his supernatural resistance too.

And you're using mana in each attempt.

And you're within arm's reach of a werewolf for several rounds with this plan.

This wouldn't be a save or die duel option, it would be a mage pinata.

>>51806287
Not just offending. Leading a sustained harassment campaign.

>>51807025
> Leading a sustained harassment campaign.
That no one seems to be able to provide proof for.
Look, I've seen pictures of this guy. I /want/ to hate him I assure you. But no one seems to be able to provide any proof of this claim.

>>51806634
Mages seem to beat everything when it comes to white-room shenanigans.

I like how you didn't even bother to mention the ludicrous capabilities of Masters.

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>>51806976
The amoeba plan was my original plan, but anon asked for 3 dot shenanigans, and metamorphosis is 4 dots.

If you read sense life, it mentions microorganism implicitly. Also Base life says invertebrates and all germs and diseases are detectable with 1 dot in life, and what's more basic than a single celled organism?

Also a matter mage could disinfect an area with lysol or bleach and the ST will probably rule that's aggravated damage until you cast something that mimics a flu bacteria's resistances.

Also get rid of these notions of fireballs and think in terms of life magic. My first impulse is poison, but reducing the enemy to a paraplegic [Animal degradation @ 4 dots] is fun too, especially for taking prisoners for interrogation a la Bobbit worm.

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>>51807180
That's because anon asked for 3 dot life magic shenanigans.

Also we're keeping it 1e. I haven't read the Masters part of 2e yet. Is there another supplement that talks about 6 dot+ mages?

Also, save or die duels aren't my style.

>>51807258
Masters in 2E can annihilate their opponents in exactly one spell. Unmaking does no damange, it destroys the target entirely.

The worst part? There's absolutely no way to defend against it if the Master managed to roll an Exceptional Success. Which is easy to do it you gimp yourself out.

>>51807355

>>51807052
What about testimonies of people involved, screenshots of his behavior and modeling a horrible character after a person he was accused of harassing?

>>51807601
>testimonies
Worthless
>screenshots of his behavior
I've not see anything compelling but would certainlly look at it
>modeling a horrible character after a person he was accused of harassing
He says its modeled after his friend, which has as much evidence to back it up as anything else. None.

>>51807601

Look, the thing about Zak is that nothing he does or is alleged to do is something that'll ever fall into the realm of concrete proof. Everything related to him, unless you're in the know enough to develop a sense of pattern recognition, falls into this grey area of plausible deniability.

Yes, it just so happens that many people who get under his skin or disagree with an opinion of his just so happen to have attempts at ID theft or threatening e-mail/phone calls inflicted on them, but none of it ever holds the smoking gun that puts any culpability on Zak.

It's entirely possible that all the harassment is just Zak fans acting completely of their own accord to defend their idol at all costs, which is an incredibly sad thing in and of itself. That still makes Zak either a complete moron for not knowing what his fanbase is doing or a complete asshole for knowing what they're doing and not stopping it, but for folks like >>51807806 who want to see hard evidence of wrongdoing, they're not going to get it. And because of that, Zak is going to have this slide off his back like every other time and he'll continue to work in the industry.

What's probably going to happen next is that he'll try to turn it around on OPP, since he was trying to claim that the company is the center of a harassment campaign to drive him out of the industry as part of their "conservative, sex-negative agenda" a couple months back.

>>51808000
>knowing what they're doing and not stopping it,
How do you stop a bunch of idol worshiping faggots? I've never seen any known method that works to stop a group of people that stupid that they would idolize some one from being idiots.

>>51808000
>What's probably going to happen next is that he'll try to turn it around on OPP, since he was trying to claim that the company is the center of a harassment campaign to drive him out of the industry as part of their "conservative, sex-negative agenda" a couple months back.
Why do leftists always try to paint their attackers as being on the 'right' even when they are clearly the exact same stock of human detritus?

>>51807012

Don't forget when effecting or transforming something, you need to take appropriate size penalty modifiers to the spell roll.

Full Garou is Size 7, or -4 to the roll.

>>51808051

Perhaps I should have said "attempting to stop it". The best attempt he's done so far is a slightly joking post about not going after kids. Even if it doesn't work, it would at least serve as a handy counter to "Zak S leads harassment campaigns and/or looks the other way when people harass and stalk his enemies for him".

But he doesn't and he won't, because he's on record with his feelings: in his mind, they're bigots and trolls and to paraphrase him, these people to him "no longer get to exist in the human race". If he's not directly setting up the campaigns and attacks (and he does post links for his fans to "ask questions" and "destroy" every now and then), then he lets it happen because it's just perceived conservatives/bigots getting their just desserts.