What kind of lore do I use to break the back of the creepy "my

>>51732844
>creepy

>>51732844

Well my half orc pcs mother was not raped by an orc. The easiest way is to swap the parent races. Make the mother the orc. Then you can have the barbarian warrior of a tribe that has relations with orc tribes who impressed an orcess as the father. No rape involved. Makes sense, to me at least.

>>51732844
Make it so half orcs can breed with either each other or humans to make more half orc children.

Do you have any backstory besides your race?

>>51732844
Father was raped by an orc. Problem solved.

>>51732876
I like that as well, but ive always liked using the orcs as a bit more demon worshipping, baby eating, blood sacrificing monsters than the more noble savage type deal that would allow for human intermarriage.
that is good advice though

>>51732844
Make Orcs the playable race instead of Half-Orcs.
Then you just have to make it so Orcs don't kill people on sight and aren't killed on sight.

>>51732844
>pigeonhold
Nice eggcorn.

>>51732844
You get a half-orc or an equivalent if a half-orc has a kid right? I remember one half-orc characters backstory I made was that his father was a smith and his mother was an adventurer, and after he was born his mother died on one of her adventures. Then he was raised to be a smith and decided to become an adventurer to support his aging father.

>>51732844
Maybe your mom was a tough-as-nails widow/spinster farmer in the backwoods and your dad was an exiled orc brave who earned a place to sleep by doing chores and hunting game for her. Winter nights were cold and, well, you came along. Heck, Greenwood reckons this is actually a pretty common origin for half-orcs in Faerun.

Your dad was human and the orc was your mom. Maybe he rescued her from the patriarchal oppression of standard orc culture. Maybe she left her tribe to prove herself as a warrior and found it appealing that he didn't dismiss her for her gender. Maybe your dad was a "horde-leading wizard" type who took your mom as a political marriage or concubine type.

Maybe, in your parents' neck of the woods, barbaric human tribes or no-nonsense frontier settlers and not-so-evil orc tribes regularly intermarry.

One of your parents is a human ex-adventurer who was reincarnated as an orc after a failed quest. S/He settled down with a human spouse, perhaps a fellow adventurer, and you came along.

Both your parents are half-orcs in a consensual relationship. Half-orcs just simply breed true, just like half-elves in most D&D settings.

>>51732961
This.

>evil human barbarian tribes frequently make long-term alliances with orc tribes

Does anything more really need to be said?

Fun fact: Volo's Guide talks about how orcs don't actually just go around raping everything. They only choose to mate with the strongest of a places they conquer, and half-orcs are fairly valued within their society instead of unwanted bastards.

>>51732937

Well the tribe of humans could be equally bad. I never said they had to be noble. You can get demon worshiping cultists to fuq the demon worshiping orcs if you wanted orcs to be all bad.

>>51732844
Played a half-orc witch in Pathfinder. Her mother was a powerful hedge witch who did the deed with an orc brave of a powerful nearby tribe in the hopes of breeding a child that had the power and ferocity of her orc ancestors as witch patron. I drew inspiration for the character from Dragon Age, actually: Flemmeth and her daughter, Morrigan

>>51732844
You don't know what the word "creepy" means, do you?

>>51732844
>Mother is a powerful sorceress
>Has a muscle fetish
>Routinely charms barbarians, warriors, smiths, etc that catch her eye for a crazy night in her tower
>She was a little too drunk during that orc invasion when she charmed your father and forgot the no-pregnancy spell until it was too late
>Grew up in the tower of a powerful, horny sorcerers that wanted you to grow up and be a big strong man.

>>51732986
I always figured that half orcs would be more accepted among orcs than humans desu

>>51733647
It makes sense. They look more like Orcs than humans, and they're smart and charismatic by comparison.

>>51733778
BUT DEYZ PUNY
DEYZ NOT PROPPA ORCZ

>>51732844
His mum had a thing for inter-racial.

>>51732844

I've created a setting for a podcast I'm currently recording (nothing released yet as I want to make an effort to post produce it) where there are basically tribes of orcs and men beyond a sprawling dwarven mountain range that often intermingle, marry and breed. It's all very Mongolian inspired.

Occasionally they unite under a Khan-like leader.

>>51733590

no anon, you are the creeper

>>51732942
>half orks are now orks
>orks are now double orks

>>51732844
Short-lived fuck-you-mom-and-dad relationship resulted in a child. Still a bastard but the sullied reputation and rumors were unfounded. PC is raised as a part of a servile family rather than getting the formal name and the orcish parent is a well-to-do member of their culture in the next town over, but thought of terribly because the matriarch/patriarch of the human side of things besmirched their name within their local reach.

My half-orc was the result of a very drunk bard-esque nobleman and an orc woman, so he's BIG but has pretensions of royalty, even as he's splitting a man's skull.

>>51734100
That sounds like a pretty fun character. Reminds me a bit of the Gray Prince from Oblivion who had a noble human (vampire) father but a human mother

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>>51733835
you you DOUBLE ORK

>>51732942
This is what I did. My players seemed to like it. When I use orcs the monster as encounters we just say they are from more tribal parts of orc society.

The father is a bard.

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>>51732844
>creepy

Fuck off, SJW

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>>51732844
My character's human father met his future orc bride when they were adolescents. She was a quiet and dreamy girl who he bullied and teased because he was immature, often provoking her into striking or throwing him. When she got into puberty he started drooling over how stacked she got and his bullying became more like sexual harassment. In spite of everything she actually liked their little "battles" and his ability to bring her out of her shell. They started dating in university and the rest is history.

>>51732844
>>51732937
>a couple wizards get hammered out of their minds one night
>as a joke/dare, they mind-control an orc into becoming a perfect 18-CHA gentleman
>mind-controlled orc convinces people in town not to kill him, gets dressed in the finest of formal clothing, attends banquets and festivals, etc.
>eventually woos a beautiful woman in town
>gets her pregnant
>one day, he's wandering around outside town and the mind control finally wears off
>he wanders away with no memory of his life as a gentleman
>assumed killed by monsters, remembered fondly by the woman and the town
>a few months later, a half-orc PC with no rape backstory is born

>>51732844
I just made one where a wealthy businessman/nobleman lusted after his orcish servant and got her knocked up and decided to raise him as his bastard. Once I get the numbers juuuust right, it'll be hilarious. He'll be moderate Int because of all the books he read, but low Wis because his Orcish brain can't figure out how to apply the knowledge to deduce things. And high Cha because of his understanding of high society. And he'll wield a rapier but only ever make Strength rolls with it.

>>51734643
Its true what they say, wizards have no morals...

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>>51734692
Pic related btw, I kind of fiddled around in Hero Forge before drafting the story.

>>51732844
Both of their parents were half-orcs, therefor they are also half-orc

>>51732844
It was your mother who raped the orc. She still occasionally lets him out of the closet for a breath of fresh air.

>>51732937
Why not just have the pc cursed with orc blood then for defiling a temple of gruumesh or something if you want orcs to be inhuman monsters?

>>51734237
>human father
>human mother

What.

>>51734916

He's mistaken. The Gray Prince's father was a human vampire, his mother was an orc who was a minor servant on the Lord's estate, unaware of the Lord's unusual appetite.

>>51735025
I never really got why he went so emotional once he found out about his heritage. Being a Vampire was awesome in that game.

>>51735177
Cause his greatest source of pride was really a diseased serial killer?

>>51733590
>I'm leaving, mom.
>I had enough of you bringing strangers every day and making all that... "noise".
> So now I will adventure for my own land ! My own "apartment".

>ok my little green piggy pie, don't forget to kiss mother goodbye, and say Farwell to your new father Umir Ironshaft.

A buff Dwarf walks behind the sorceress and slaps her behind and then puts an arm around her.

>Aye, don't ya worry about yer mom wee lad. I'll take "goooooood" care of her !
The dwarf and the sorceress both giggle.

The Orc warrior was overwhelmed by emotions that range from anger, dread but most of all, disgust.
All he could do was try to leave as soon as possible to flee this waking nightmare and pray he will encounter a Mind Flayer on his travels that will erase his memory.

>>51734784

But that's not how genetics work....

>>51735326
Are you retarded?

Give them a tribal society with very strict rites for initiating outsiders, and a half-orc lineage prominent in many of the tribes that holds positions of power and importance and can trace their lineage back to one ancient human prophet adopted by the tribes. Make it a matter of great shame to mate with those outside the tribe. Now you have an orcish culture disinclined towards rape that occasionally adopts human members, who are almost certain to produce half-orc children as the orcs practically trip over themselves to provide mates in the hopes of producing a lineage rivaling that of the old prophet.

>>51735421

No, I'm not retarded. The idea of a viable population of half x is retarded, and you'd laugh at it if you had any idea how genetic recombination works in hybrids.

>>51732844
The father was a vampire who had an orc mistress. The kid is the results of this, but he doesn't know his dad was a vampire.

>>51735439
Well aren't you proud of your high school biology class?

>>51735439
>Applying real world science to fantasy un-ironically.
> No, I'm not retarded. The idea of a fireball is retarded, and you'd laugh at it if you had any idea how thermodynamics works in physics.

>>51735461

You do realize being a sarcastic cunt in no way disproves me and that you haven't once refuted my point right? I'm not even assuming the hybrid would't be viable and couln't reproduce, which is a likely outcome. I'm accepting that this is fantasy land and they can have a viable offspring, and you know what? Even if an orc and a human, or an elf and a human, could have a viable offspring that could itself reproduce you still couldn't have a viable population of Half x's.

>>51735474

That is another issue entirely and I just shove it in the back of my head and label it magic.

>>51732844
This is easy. Human women don't survive the experience, so half-orcs generally aren't born from them. Rather, most of them originate from when orcish women get their hands on war prisoners from the latest raid or skirmish. The human men don't survive the experience either, but they don't have to in order to make half-orcs.

There, no more "creepy" "my mother was raped by an orc" backstory!

>>51735504
And you being a conceated cunt doesnt make you right, but I'll show a little respect and assume you already know that.
You don't know how the race dynamics work in the d&d world. You're just assuming the races are like separate species who cant make 2nd generation viable offspring or something, and then angrily asserting that's the case under a thin layer of biology jargon.

It could feasibly work. Mexicans are basically half orcs. The Spanish raped the native barbarians, and the result was Mestizos. Now, when two mestizos have sex, the result is another little beaner. You can just think of half-orcs like that and there's no problem.

>>51735541
>There, no more "creepy" "my mother was raped by an orc" backstory!

No, just a "raped to death" backstory.

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>>51735657

Interbreeding between different groups of humans is not the same as interbreeding between two different species, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you can understand that. We don't even have proper sub species, we are all almost exactly the same.

Unless you want to tell me that there is almost no genetic variance between the races, so little genetic variance that they are essentially all the same race in fact, then no mestizos do not prove that there can be a viable population of half x. They prove that humans can breed with other humans, which we already know.

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>>51735768
Don't reply to me ever again.

>>51735839
Okay.

>>51735825
>Assume you can understand that
I promise you I have more experience in biology than you, so please just listen to what I have to say. And I'm going to sleep, so don't waste your time responding for me.

Yes, I'm telling you to think of orcs and humans as the same species. You keep asserting they're separate species and couldn't create a lineage, but obviously the very definition of a species is their ability to create a lineage. So what I'm saying is to assume they can have viable grandkids, and then you can use our taxonomy to call them the same species if you want. It's not that wild of an idea, the orcs are basically just fantasy representation of native tribes.

>>51735975
>Yes, I'm telling you to think of orcs and humans as the same species

hell most fantasy games refer to the various demihuman races as well... "races" and not "species" anyhow.

>>51732844
In our campaign most half-breeds are considered somewhat rare. I play a half-orc paladin with the group sorcerer being his twin. Our origin was that the orc was our mother while dad was this wandering elf warrior that the orcs held in great regard.
On top of that since most half-breeds are come out stillborn, our local shaman threw in this bullshit prophecy of our characters being some chosen children or whatnot.

what are some good names for an orc or half-orc PC?

>>51735452
So the champion of the Arena from Oblivion?

>>51736086
Bonus points if he gets suicidal and pretty much throws the match cause you told him something he was simply not meant to know. That he's a monster!

Man, I really liked Oblivions quests.

>>51736086
By Azura, by Azura, by Azura!

>>51732844
Well the last half orc I played was found in an orc tribe as a baby by a bunch of humans who were in the middle of putting his tribe to the sword. Some there took pity on him and he was raised by adoptive human parents.

Sure his biological mother probably was raped by an orc... But that really doesn't inform the character at all. The years of being both an outcast and knowing that you have a family that chose to love you and sees the good in you.... all that stuff informs the character.

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>>51735253
Still, it was lame as balls that he then just killed himself rather than fight you.

>>51736084
I've always liked, Alexander Dumas for a half-orc. Just get French writers all up in their grill. Jules Verne, Molière, François Rabelais, Zola, Albert Camus, Diderot and if you don't like those, you can always go Honoré de Balzac.

Also, even if you can't come up with anything for a non-edgy backstory, you can just say they were found in a basket at the front door of an orphanage and you can fill it in later when you have a good idea or just never fill it in at all.

>>51732844
>Whole tribes of halforcs.
>Human/orc barbarian tribes with symbiotic relationships and interbreeding.
>Agrarian orcs coexisting peacefully with a human settlement. Similar to gray orcs.
>a group of right bastards who keep orc women as sex slaves.

>Just use hobgoblins. They're better anyways. They're like mythic China / romans / Andromeda nietzcheans.

>>51733794
And this isn't warhams. Go home, spore monkey.

>>51735825
It's d&d.

All humanoids (creature type) can interbreed and produce viable populations of half-breeds.

Fey, outsiders, and dragons can breed with anything.

That's how it works.

>>51735714
Death by snoo snoo

Well, if your setting has fully sentient orcs that aren't always chaotic evil, you could make it so that half-orc was actually born out of love between orc and some crazy human female who was/is wannabe-orc. That's more outlandish than basic "raped by orc" story, but atleast there's no rape.

>>51732844

The only thing creepier than having your mother be raped by an orc is having your mother willingly fuck an orc, which is basically a step up from beastiality.

Go with rape, because that way you don't have to say "Yes, my mother willingly fucked an orc, which sane people won't do."

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>>51736692
This may be more campaign-based, but I had a character in a West Marches game that was a half-orc fighter hailing from the tundra. Naturally, when characters got around to talking about backstory and the life back home, my character got irritable, talked about the lack of honor his father had for doing such a deplorable act, and the like.

The reveal was that his mother was an orc and soon-to-be chieftain, and his father was some bard living the bard life; not an honorable way to lay an orc.

>>51736867

I don't know, man. Every time I think about a man fucking a female orc, I keep thinking of those nudes of Leslie Jones we saw a while ago. The woman's basically an ape.

Spray her green, you get an orc.

In my games the vast majority of orc-blooded humans are from savage and barbaric tribes where the line between humans and orcs is very blurry after dozens of generations of raiding, murdering and intermarrying eachother.

In those savage lands there's very few 'pure blood' orcs left.

>>51736567

Technically speaking in most D&D settings it would be proper to say that Orcs, Humans and Elves are all the same species, just different breeds.

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>>51732844
>What kind of lore do I use to break the back of the creepy "my mother was raped by an orc" half orc backstory?

What if both your parents were half-orcs?

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>>51736880
Yet she still gets laid, otherwise we wouldn't have those nudes.

Not everyone fucks a model.

>>51736952

I don't follow. The point isn't whether she gets laid or not. For instance, some people do fuck cows or dogs. The point is that we really shouldn't have to see it happen.

>>51732961
>"horde-leading wizard" type who took your mom as a political marriage or concubine type.
I'm stealing the shit out of this.

>Sigh, the things I do for Evil...

>>51736898
>Technically speaking in most D&D settings it would be proper to say that Orcs, Humans and Elves are all the same species, just different breeds.

That's why they're called races and usually (not in all settings though) they have all evolved from same ancient race. Typically the first ones are the elves, although humans are pretty common choice in more subversive works.

>>51736967
You don't. It's just like a line or two of backstory. You're just coming off as a dipshit now. When you got invited to a friend's house when you were in school and his mm was an ugly pile of trash did you get upset at your friend? "Oh god now I have to imagine myself fucking that ugly thing." Like, what?

>>51737088

That's a bit of a non-sequitur, don't you think? Besides, I don't know any black people.

A magical accident fused an orc and human together into a single being, whose bloodline has bred true ever since.

Half-orcs are slowly overtaking both humans and orcs.

>>51736952
The dude she was fucking was clearly black, so it doesn't really justify half-orcs with orc mom. The product of the intercourse would be a full orc... I mean black.

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>>51732844

It's players like you, who need to escape the grim nature of reality, that are the root cause of all this feel good, noble savage, inclusive bullshit. Trying to use rpg's like fucking night lights and security blankets for you to bury your head under.

Some people like seeing real world parallels in their rpg's to aid in the suspension of disbelief.

Some people are mature enough to accept a narrative that would otherwise make them uncomfortable or upset IRL because it provides depth and relatable context.

If you want to play in a bubble wrap setting don't expect anyone else to respect that choice.

That said, the only response that seems remotely reasonable here is the evil humans teaming up with orcs.

So many fucking mary sue backstory ideas here its sickening.

>>51737340
So no female heroes?

>>51737340

How do you think the Uruk Hai were made anon?

Saruman bred them using men and orcs

Odds are he didn't just magically merge the two together

Odds are not every subject was ok with bumping uglies with something that ugly

Unless your orcs are just green humans with pointed ears, your dealing with some bipedal ape/pig creatures

I mean I guess furries would be into that ... ugh

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>>51732844
Meant to tag OP too

>>51734643
I LIKE IT!

>>51734643
I like it!

>>51737368
Insinuating what?

Women can't handle talking about rape or having it in their seting without falling to pieces?

>>51732844

Child of two half-orcs, or a half-orc and a human.

Or your mother was an enchantress who dominated an Orc Chieftain and took him as her boy toy.

Or your father was a VERY brave human man who lived on the frontier and courted your Orcish mother.

There's options, motherfucker.

>>51737368
>>51737440

Or that no women are capable of acts of heroism IRL?

So many boarderline or flat out magical realm suggestions

It's like all spell-casters use magic for is to get laid whether anyone is willing or not.

Or just ignoring the likely cultural/social consequences of having sex with an orc never mind actually having a child with one

Xenophobia is pretty common among humans, usually fueled by fear of the "other" taking over, replacing the existing people. Wont be many humans left if they're all breeding with orcs or at least that would be the likely fear among the populace.

>>51732844
I've had two- a Half Orc Paladin from a steppe tribe where there's been Orcs and Humans in the same tribes for so long that it's more of a gradient between the two than simple occasional half-breeds. The second was a Half-Orc Bard whose father was a legendary philandering half-elven bard, who was captured by an Orc tribe and seduced his way out by charming the pants off of the female head shaman.

>>51737497
Well I mean were talking about like one player in a campaign, and in a system that already allows for half-orc PCs. I mean FR has like entire cities with majority populations of half-elves, so maybe stay away from that if you want some hard-ass realism.

>>51737497
>xenophobia is pretty common among humans
>ignoring that 5% of european and asian DNA comes from NON HUMAN Neanderthals - MATERNAL Neanderthal DNA, so human males fucked female Neanderthals - there's no paternal Neanderthal DNA in the human genepool

>>51737589
It's one thing when its races that co exist normally it something else entirely when its two races typically at war with one another.

Half elves resulting from all kinds of situations is kind of the norm across multiple settings

Half orcs are the result of something ugly, bestial and typically evil breeding with a human, usually of a population that orcs have been in some long term conflict with.

It just bothers me the way people take monsters and turn them into either fetishes or humans with minor superficial differences.

>>51737614
>referencing ancient humanity
>comparing that to humanity in a medieval society
>Burn heretic

>>51732937
> parent is Orc raised by humans, fully integrated and happily married
> Breeding program by wizards or government
> Your father had an accident while using teleportation spell together with an orc.

>>51737658
No dude I understand your point, I'm just pointing out that the happy handholding fuzzy-wuzzy bullshit has some background in some settings. If I make my own setting then yeah, I make orcs the evil marauding monster people etc, but if I'm playing something like FR where there are half-orc communities living peacefully, I'm not going to shit on a player who wants to play a half-orc with a normal past because that's just vindictive.

>>51737755

Fair enough

>>51737440
>>51737455

Basically women are at a significantly higher risk when it comes to combat. All things being even, a man will just die be tortured to death.

A woman will be raped to death, if her enemies have the capacity for it. It's a far worse way to go.

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>>51732844
How about NOT have the orcs be rape machines? Strange concept, I know, but you can have warrior tribes without them viewing every wet hole around them as a free sex toy. Maybe, juuust maybe, an orc and a human fell in, I dunno... Love? Or at the very least had enough of a spark to do the deed and part on good terms?

You can have a child of interracial romance that still has plenty of character drama potential with regard to his mixed upbringing. Illegitimacy, random flings with betrothed people, cultural taboos, potential inheritance claims... Just make some shit up. If you need to really sit down and think about how the character was born, rather than what happened because the character was born, you're probably not mature enough to be playing a half orc character in the first place.

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>>51738071
>an orc and a human fell in, I dunno... Love?

lol

have you ever seen an orc?
imagine a gorilla but instead of being a peaceful herbivore that lives in the forest, it's an even more savage and ugly beast and wants to rip your head off just because it can

the only thing an orc sees in a human is as meat, slaves, or target practice

the very concept of halforcs is ridiculous not because of rape, but because such a creature would be despised by everyone, including it's parents

Be a decent GM and make the Half Orc meet his mother's "rapist" only to find out that he's not a rapist at all and his mother was scared to say she was in love with an Orc to hid it away. The Orc father feels guilty for not being there to raise his son but it was a Romeo and Juliette situation and the only way to prevent war between the Orc tribe and the city his mother lived in was too lie.

Make both groups live as rivals who are always wanting to fight but neither have the resources to waste on it while a third party threatens both. They can co exist with tensions being high but mixing between them will get you killed.

>>51738166

Technically, half-orcs wouldn't exist because the mothers would abort the creature or kill it at birth. They would only exist if the mother was chained to a wall and kept on suicide watch by her orc captors.

>>51738166
Have you ever seen a human woman? They're sluts for any guy who will offer her protection and status. A massive Orc kicking the shit out of any one around you if you so much as say "he hurt my feelings" is a woman's wet dream.

>>51738166
>have you ever seen an orc?
Well no anon, I haven't. They're not real. And artistic depictions vary from hideous to appealing if not alien.

Your point, while valid in some instances, only qualifies in settings where orcs work like that. And in fact, considering the human race came up with things like bestiality, not even then really. So unless you're OP's GM, I see no reason why it couldn't work.

>>51738226
Exactly. There's almost no scenario in which an orkin spawn would survive into childhood.

>>51738229
There's women who like to fuck dogs too, but usually the dog doesn't try to kill the woman afterwards.

Stop generalizing based off of a small number of the insane.

>>51738255
>It's generalizing to say women pick mates based on how much protection they can provide

You're an idiot who has no idea about human mating strategy.

>>51738250
I mean, sure you could have orcs that are just slightly odd looking tusked humans like in the OP, but then those are just humans with a different coat of paint and not really orcs.

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>>51738267
>implying an orc provides any protection or status
lmao at your life

>>51738166
Not true. There is a relatively simple way to get orcs to respect you, regardless of your race: a show of strength. Orcs will follow anyone who can kick their asses. Sure, they'll regularly challenge you and try to take your place, but as long as you can keep kicking their asses each time they challenge you the bulk of them will keep following you. This applies to half-orcs and even to human wizards.

Few sources really go into how and why orc children are allowed to grow up, but my headcanon is that when you live in a society where bloody brawls break out all the time, you want as many people on your side as possible, and the surest way to make sure there are people on your side is through immediate blood ties. An orc baby is an investment. If their parents and siblings and aunts and uncles can keep it alive for just a few years, that's an extra warrior who'll back them up the next time the clan's families start killing each other.

>>51738277
Depends on how you quantify orcs more. Is it in form, or is it in society? The idea of orcs and humans being able to make offspring, I'd say they were always close enough to humans. Looking like anything from pig men to large humans with huge under-bites wouldn't change that fact much.

>>51737678
The point is, on the edges of civilization, where nomadic tribes of all kind live, you will see all kinds of different weird half-breeds.

Elf-orcs, dwarf-orcs, human-elves, dwarf-elves, orc-humans, human-dwarves.

>>51732844
>creepy
>I'm a giant pussy

>human kingdom in antiquity
>gets invaded by orcs
>after a chaotic period of raping and pillaging, a smart orcish warlord rises up
>uses a combined force of orcs from his own tribe and humans to crush the other orc hordes
>creates essentially a hybrid human/orc state where orcs are a martial caste tasked with warfare and policing the lands while humans work as peasants, merchants, craftsmen and the clergy (including some weird state religion that incorporates Orcish deities in some weird Hindu-Godhead Christian-Trinity-Logos singular God concept to make the monotheist human religion and orcish polytheist religion in one)
>human kings hate the nation but cannot stand up against organized orcs with solid logistics
>orcish chieftains hate the nation but cannot stand up against orcs with heavy armour, pikes and military technology

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>>51738342
Ignoring their appearance which varies widely from source to source (though I personally am a fan of Tolkien's descriptions) orcs should be seen as a primal force of nature, a savagery and irredeemable evil so strong that they would be a catastrophic threat to the world if they didn't spend more time fighting each other than fighting anyone else.

Sure you could turn them into noble misunderstood savages who value strength, tradition, and courage and so on, but trying to turn everything into some of flavor of variant human with different color makeup like shitty original star trek characters is silly and cheapens the whole concept of fantasy alien races which are impossible to control, understand, or empathize in purely human terms.

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>>51738468
That's quite doable, don't get me wrong, but I don't see it as the only way you could, or in fact, the only way you need to do it. There are plenty of race options that fit that bill just as well as orcs do, so you can interpret orcs or those races in plenty of ways beyond the basic scope.

I dunno. Odds are it's an agree to disagree situation.

>Mother was a human princess, father was an orc slave, both of their people were crushed by a conquering warlord. They fell in love while seeking vengeance from their mutual captors and eventually took over the warlord's warband
>Mother was a prostitute, taken by an orc gladiator celebrating his winnings. Also had a half elf son by an elven troubadour
>Parentage was unknown, left at the doorstep of a monastery swaddled in a bloody tabard of a lost mercenary order
>Mother and father were a happily married pair of half-orc blacksmiths set up in a metropolis
>Orc mother was to be made another of the chieftain's wives, but ran off and fell for an adventuring human. He later vanished on her and left her bitter and pregnant
>Mother was an orc cultist willingly taken by a demon lord to spawn monstrous warriors. Cult was purged by paladin order and child was raised by it's leader

>>51732844
> My father was raped by an orc
> My parents had a loving relationship
> Both my grandmothers were raped by orcs, so both my parents were half-orcs
> One of my ancestors was an orc and the genes just turned out that way for me
> Magical accident

>>51739106
>>Mother was a prostitute
One of the first things a prostitute becomes expert at is preventing pregnancy. This is true today, was true in medieval times, and even in antiquity (though it's dubious how many of their methods worked vs were just superstition). I recall reading how there was a plant which was used for this purpose in roman times, and was so popular it was actually made to go extinct due to over demand.

>>51739324
I think 2 times every 100 fucks is an acceptable failure rate

>>51739713
That's a baby every few months. Unacceptable.

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>>51732844

>My FATHER was rapped by an orc

>>51739858
>his expression
That's not rape, that's hatefucking

>>51739713
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Solomon

>>51739858
>rapped

So did he just lose a rap battle to an orc, or did an orc bard rap so hard it created a man?

>>51740053
He was defeated in a rap battle, and claimed as the prize.

>>51738468
Except why is that only for ORCS? I've never seen anyone get pissy that dwarves and elves are not unfathomable monsters who threaten the existence of the world.

>>51740329
Not that guy, but I think that's kind of the point. You already have Elves and Dwarves as your pseudo humans, there's no need for more.

>>51737423
Actually given how long it would take to breed several generations like that

>>51740353
Then why does it cheapen the point of fantasy races if you let plenty of other races do exactly that?

Its idiotic at best. If you allow other races to be "not human but relatable" then the while concept is already in the shitter and any bitchin about why orcs are not eldritch beasts is bullshit. Particurally cause thats not even a particurally common portrayal.

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>>51736111

DELET THIS

>>51732844

Your orc father was the bull to your cuckold human (or other race) couple.

He doesn't even know who his parents are or care at this point. Immediately after his birth, he was abandoned by his mother to be raised by the church within town. He was raised as an Acolyte, but he always found town life to be a bit dull. He was eventually given a 'sign' to wander the lands to find his rightful place, picked up a mace, and became a Cleric for his deity.

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>>51740403
Because Elves and Dwarves are fey in origin. They've become humanized over time because it's easier to tell that sort of story than to keep them to their mythological and alien origins. The same is being done to every fantastic creature to lesser and greater degrees.

This Ben & Jerries Twenty Flavors of humans doesn't actually improve the setting or add character to the mythology. It's much like people trying to map and explain all the qualities, behaviors, stats and motivations of Elder Evils in the Lovecraft mythos. All it accomplishes is to remove much of the potential wonder and horror.

If anything, the opposite should be happening. Instead of trying to discover the humanity in Orcs and all the other creatures, we should be making them more distinct and apart, appreciate their irredeemably evil nature, and celebrate the diversity.

>>51739324
Silphium

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silphium

>>51740791
How can something be alien if you can judge it on your own moral perceptions?

The idea is stupid orcs only need to fulfill whatever niche the gm needs for the setting.

If the dm needs a mercenary race too work for bad guys? Orcs.

If the dm wants pcs to go to the far flung northern wastes where the human empire never touched? Orcs.

They are arbitrary races with fictional preconceptions that are no greater entrenched then any other.

The idea that the only good setting is Humanity Fuck Yeah is idiotic and mostly caught up in peoples asses.

Its not like dnd has a scarcity of evil races.

And fey are EXPLICTLY alien, the idea that its easier to make dwarfs people because they are from THE alien race is incredibly untrue.

They just so happen to have had a popular book where the race was humanized.

>>51740791
>This Ben & Jerries Twenty Flavors of humans
kek

>>51741247
That's it, thank you.

>>51737340
Isn't this a FATAL copypasta?

>>51732844
Just have the half-orc's parents be in a real, loving relationship. I don't see what's so hard about this.

>>51740791

I take your point.

>>51740791
I just think that having Designated Antagonists is pretty lazy game design. There's already plenty of good reasons for people who aren't alien and other to hate each other.

Also I feel like saying "they were fey but then they were humanized which makes it okay for them to be humanized" is a bit of a cop out. There's nothing more other than fey.

Plus, and this may just be my naive idealism here, I don't think that any other species that is sentient and capable of communication can stay very alien for very long. Especially when they're all on the same planet and all have basically the same needs and means. Over the course of hundreds of years you'd either tend towards genocide or cooperation.

>>51740791
>or add character to the mythology
Without it, the mythology would have no character.

My orcs are more neutral than evil; they attack settlements and keep slaves, but not because they like being evil. It's just their culture as nomadic warlords.

>>51741587
>I just think that having Designated Antagonists is pretty lazy game design

Assuming we're still talking about DnD, evil has to be practically tangible in the universe, otherwise you can't justify Lawful Good heroes having such massive bodycounts.

>>51741835
Yeah, if you want to be lazy about it like I said.

>>51737423
Uruk hai are more likely goblin orc hybrids. Half orcs are mentioned as being in saruman's army as well, and the two did not come across as interchangeable.

>>51734643
a parent was still (mind)raped anon...

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>both parents were half-orcs
>one parent was an evil human who fell in with an orc gang
>one parent was a prostitute with low standards
>my father was raped by an orc
>a rare non-evil orc fled their tribe and married a human
>mix up at the sperm bank

>>51741848

What's a non-lazy way for a Good-aligned character to kill dozens of people then?

>>51732844
The mom and Orc fell in love through odd circumstances

Do what 5e implies and have some half-orcs been the offspring of a roving wildman band that was a mix of orcs, barbaric humans, and bugbears. Have the classic "women rapin' town burnin'" orcs be a forgotten memory as their horde was finally defeated and scattered across the lands in to groups too small and competitive to ever band together as the old horde did.

>>51738166
Have to say I find the idea of monsters being monsters refreshing. Too often people paint everything in shades of gray which is fine for the real world but shouldn't be the end all in a heroic fantasy setting.

>>51732844
>I was raised by a human mother, though I always knew I stood out. When they revealed I was half orc, it didn't come as much surprise. What was a surprise was why. My mother, in her exact words:

>"Your father just couldn't keep his pants up. I remember the first time he slept with another woman. It was the chambermaid the night of our wedding. She still writes to me you know. Every week it seemed like he had a new mistress, it didn't matter if they were human. Elves, dwarves, gnomes, goblins, gnolls, trolls, the list goes on. That's what I get for marrying a bard..."

>"I forget which clan it was but he had one particularly wild night with an orc chieftain. This chieftain demanded he stay and be hers forever. Quite problematic when he was still married to me. She didn't take it too well, not as accepting of his open relationship as I was.It's a long story involving donkeys and exploding wagons but in the end I wound up with you in my arms, a satisfied orc woman, and your father, with a chastity belt fastened around his waist."

>"I was going to wait until you were older when the story would be more appropriate, but I've come to realize there is no age where this kind of story is appropriate, so...there you go son.

Orcs are barbarians. They don't build, they only take from others. They exist in opposition of a civilization. As such, a half-orc normally comes from that disparity.

Examples:

Your mother was a slave mistress to an orc taken in a raid.

Your mother was a comfort girl to an orcish gladiator in a decadent city-state.

Either parent was part of a barbarian tribe that was allied to an orc clan.

>>51732844
>creepy
My character was tragically born of rape and you're really triggering her right now.

>>51732937
Sometimes demon worshipers just wanna have fun too.

>>51734428
Yeah players rarely have any qualms about killing any human bandits or evil cultists so why do GMs ever worry about losing orcs as stock enemies if they make orcs playable? I never understood this.

>>51743649
Or alternatively
>Mother was an orc slave to a human noble family the father routinely bonked and your the secret bastard child

>>51743779
Do orcs make good slaves?

Embrace it, fully. Make orcs into depraved pigmen.

>>51737440
>>>51737368
>Insinuating what?
>Women can't handle talking about rape or having it in their seting without falling to pieces?
Women seem to love Homestuck. That got so fucking rapey that I noped the fuck out of there.

So I don't think that's it

>>51738071
Some people prefer their orcs to be literally soulless monsters that can't be redeemed. (IE no free will)

They tend to be the ones who say killing orc babies is good, because there's no such thing as a redeemed orc.

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>>51732844
My father was raped by a half-orc.

But no seriously, I was reading some half-orc fluff stuff, and it said an orc tribe might join forces with a tribe of chaotic evil humans. While the tribes are mixed together they'll produce some half-orcs.

>>51743901
>Some people prefer their orcs to be literally soulless monsters that can't be redeemed.

Having orcs as being barbarians doesn't mean they're soulless monsters.

>>51738058
That's not how it works and I'll wager you've never been in war.

Males are raped all the time and there's no reason to assume there's literally no chance of a female not being raped.

>>51743966
No. It means they are monsters. Without souls. Literally violent beasts. Like humanoid demon worshipping, maneating wolverines.

>>51737497
>It's like all spell-casters use magic for is to get laid whether anyone is willing or not.
Yeah it's not like this is a classic use for magic in fiction or anything. Spellcasters can only use magic for personal gain in the form of gold accumulation, that's much more interesting, right?

>>51737678
Sorry to burst your bubble but cross-confessional relationships were certainly not unheard of in the medieval era, even if most of them were of the rapey kind or involved one of the parties (women, typically) converting to the religion of the spouse if they actually got married.
If they weren't more common it's largely because most people rarely went more than 50 miles from their birthplaces and so had little opportunity to encounter strange people. All those who had the opportunity to travel certainly showed little reluctance in consorting with xenos.

>>51743797
Strong, durable, and lots of stamina. With the proper training, they can make ideal bodyguards, plantation workers, or even workers on an assembly line.

But they can also be a governess for the children, since kids are dumb and even a dumb orc will know more about how things work than kids do.

>>51744019
Compelled to commit atrocities without the free will to reject such urges.

IE monsters.

>>51743779
>Human has a half orc for a half brother.
>Despite being from different parents and not knowing their lineage, they are totally bro tier with each other, the half orc delivering the muscle, and the human the brains that directs the muscle.

>>51744049
That's more or less what orcs are in greyhawk. In forgotten realms it's murkier, but Fr is much more morally nuanced than greyhawk is.

>>51744072
Twist: the orc is the smart one, and the human is fast.

>>51744019
Beasts can't worship.

If they worship demons they have some kind of intelligence.

They're barbarians, not soulless monsters.

It's fine to kill orcish children, because they will kill and eat yours.

>>51744019
>>51744049
>>51744148

There's nothing wrong with monsters. There's even nothing wrong with sentient and intelligent monsters who are irredeemably evil. Norse mythology for example has the sons of Muspell aka eldjötnar/eldthursar, whose main goal is to wreak the final destruction of the world by setting fire to it at the end of Ragnarök.

You cannot in fact enjoy and appreciate the nuance of all the shades of grey without having the darkest black for contrast.

>>51744101
Only the half orc lets the human do the smart stuff. It makes it easier to outwit his opponents when they think he's just a dumb half orc mongrel.

>>51744175
I'm arguing that you don't need to be a monster to be irredeemably evil.

>>51744074
>Orcs in Greyhawk are soulless monsters

They have a patriarchal society surrounding traditions of battle prowess, possessions, and virility.

They ritually scar themselves, meaning they have traditions of faith.

They have an empire ruled by a Half-Orc.

Mixed Human-Orc barbarian tribe.

Tribal intermarriage to make peace.

Half-Orc+Human = Quarter-Orc with Half-Orc stats.

Half-Orc+Half-Orc = Sustainably breeding population of Half-Orcs.

Shortage of workers plus a bunch of suddenly unemployed orcs after the local dark lord was defeated lead to the orcs taking up various jobs and eventually intermarrying with the local population of humans.

>>51744281
Orcish renegades joining human society.

Poncy Elves decided not to be baby-killers and raised some orc babies they came into possession of after killing the parents and raised them so they could get along with civilized peoples and eventually some of them found some kind human or half-orc spouse.

Soft-hearted Dwarfs gave a bunch of orc kids to a human orphanage because they got sick of slaughtering them or thought that, hey, maybe having some of them raised by humans might lead to not having to fight another orc horde in another 20-40 years when their population reaches horde levels..

Adventurers raised an orc baby or child instead of killing them or inherited the kids of one of their dead orcish henchmen.

An Orc decided to try out the whole adventuring thing and eventually settled down with a lady or got a whole bunch of whores pregnant after paying them good coin and not treating them any worse than your typical john.

A human or orcish adventurer got exposed to magical goop in some ruin that turned them into a half-orc.

>>51732844

My Half-Orc is Guilliame de Gorebashe, a scion of a Half-Orc ducal dynasty in an area of the country where, centuries back, a King allowed an Orc Warband to settle to defend the border against other orc warbands.

>>51739883
>hatefucking
It's not even that, she cradles his head and is blushing in the following picture when he fills her with his elven seed.

>>51742157
Using alignments as a dictator of action in the first place was the lazy part.

>>51745185
Alignment is a shit system that doesn't add anything to the game except stupid arguments.

>>51745323

It is now. It was great back when it was a single axis that represented what side (if any) you were fighting for in a grand cosmic battle between Law and Chaos, rather than just a shitty indicator for "it's what muh character would do" shenanigans.

>>51732844
Use the 13th age fluff. They're basically an allergic reaction to orcs.

>>51739106
>Mother was a human princess, father was an orc slave, both of their people were crushed by a conquering warlord. They fell in love while seeking

I made a character like that. It was in a Humanity-Fuck Yeah! style setting because the DM was seriously over thinking the implications of multiple sentient hominids on a single planet. Character was the child of a mage (elf) general and a bruteman (orc) Sargent when they found out that it was the witches (drow) that were instigating the war between their countries.

>>51732844

Have your Orks reproduce asexually?

Like the Orks in 40k...

>>51745185

in an alignmentless system, how do you kill dozen of people as a protagonist who isn't explicitly a villain?

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>>51745450

Fight in a war, dangit! I KILLED FIDDY MEN!

>>51745510
This is unironically the answer.

There are plenty of reasons, good or bad, to kill people that aren't inherently evil. In the complex societies that make up the setting of almost every game we call those reasons "war".

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>>51745450
There's no alignments in judge dredd. He tries to keep his city safe and kills people pretty regularly. He's definitely not a villain even if you would never ascribe a single positive trait like kind, compassionate, thoughtful, selfless or considerate, things we might associate with a hero. He's not a villain because he's morally incorruptible.

The same goes for Conan. There are no alignments in Conan. He's a reaver, a pirate, and a thief. He's murdered hundreds of men, wizards, demons, and foul beasts. Yet he's not a villain. When he became a royal guard and executed the mad king and was given the throne because the corrupt nobles thought he would be easy to control or remove, he stayed. When he hated the job, he stayed. When they sent assassins after him, he stayed. When he wanted to do anything else, he stayed because he knew that if he left the kingdom would fall instantly to civil war and he felt responsible even though these weren't really his people. So he has a very particular morality that he follows without wavering, even if it would be more pleasant or easier to do otherwise.

>>51745135
That's a humie anon

>>51745323
Agreed.

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I want to make a half-orc druid. How do i go about creating him? Which animal companion should i aim for?

I want to prestige class him into an oozemaster

>>51745653
>Judge Dredd - LN, there is no good or evil there is only the law which will bring order and longevity to this city.
>Conan - CN, life is hard and only the strong survive yet I only kill when necessary for my needs or my own survival.

>>51734643
!ti EKIL I

>>51741988

Tolkien uses goblin and orc interchangeably

Goblins are just orcs that lived underground for long enough to have adapted to living underground. So they're just a smaller breed of orc.

It even says in the book what Saruman used to produce them

Men, Orcs and goblin men (half man half goblin - smaller orcs)

He even explains that he's breeding out the weakness of orcs and combining their strengths with that of men

They're still half orcs but they're a special breed, made from Saruman's experimenting

And what here's got from mixing the two

"Man-orcs large and cunning, and Orc-men treacherous and vile." - Uruk Hai

Uruk Hai meaning (Orc-Folk) Or (Orc-People)

>>51732844
Your mother was raped by a human

>>51744023
>Gets butthurt
>Proves anons point

Whew lad, lurk more, post less

>>51752525
>Whew

>>51752508
KEK

>>51752554
>Whew

Yes, whew

>>51732844
your human mother had consensual, loving sex in the missionary position for the sole purpose of procreation with your orc mother and her feminine dick

>>51752480
Goblins are just the hobbit word for orcs. It has nothing to do with adaptation

>>51740581
/thread

>Parents were a member of a dragon's slave/servant stock where there was no regard for racial differences
>Parents were both members of a religious order that spanned races (maybe they got expelled for breaking celibacy vows)
>Parents come from orc-human communities on the frontier that have to work together to survive dire straits
>One parent impregnated another while wearing a magical disguise, love bloomed and they stayed together even when the masks fell
>One parent is a liaison to the other race's group, ended up claiming a spouse from the locals

>>51732844
do you think all mulattos are the product of rape/prostitution gone wrong?
>>51738411
breeding camps?

My half-orc, was raised by a loving human mother, he never knew his dad, his mother never talked about his dad, and he never ask. Other player and the GM can make their own conclusions.

>>51737614
I'm not convinced xenophobia and xenophilia are completely unrelated in humanity