/epg/ - Eclipse Phase General

>>51727723

aqua chicks would have long spindly hands with membranes everywhere for manoeuvring, absolutely no tits and nigger tier ass from all that muscle in the legs

would not bang honestly

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>>51727914

>>51727914
Why?

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>>51727978

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>>51727914
I`m sure there are a lot of different manufacturers with variants out there, some more practical than others. Not every one of those will be Mutio 2.0.

>>51728004

Yeah, that's not official EP art. >>51727978 is.

>>51727988
>>51727978
>>51728076

>why

its for optimal performance, if you want a big titty aqua humanoid with small rack you can have it but its not gonna operate as good as other more adapted one

but yeah, its Eclipse Phase
style over function

but just don't cry if you perfect siren waifu pod gets fucked by some fish looking motherfucker with nigger ass

>he uses disgusting biomorph

Why haven't you discarded your hideous fleshy babby body for a superior synthmorph?

>>51728538

Sirens are birds - why the fuck would they be anywhere near a submerged hab?

>>51728538
For optimal performance the land morphs shouldn't have tits either

>>51728567
He means the Greek mythology siren.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren_(mythology)

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>>51728600

>>51728600

Yeah, so was I.

Take a look at the urn from around ~480 BC.

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>>51728567

shit, you got me.
good one. chuckled.

have some boobies for your trouble.

>>51728597

why you think i implied they should?

no they shouldn't
human base line? yes.
advanced transhuman morphs?
no, why

t. totally not an ultimate

>>51728629
>>51728632
Huh, didn't know early Greeks imagined sirens like that.

Regardless, sirens today are imagined in a much more sexy way.

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>>51728597
The laser turrets have to go somewhere and the chest has the most space while still giving a good frontal arc.

>>51728737
but why two

>>51728737

yeah and this will also give more defence for main batter/power source in the chest
fuck breathing, breathing is for fags and pansies

>>51728731
>>51728629

>tfw
this is literary rule34 of ancient times

>>51728779
redundancy

>>51728779

want to be philosophical? Go to some asteroid field pansy, "why" question is out of the fashion season and the answer is always because we can!

>>51728562
Because I'm still saving up for the transfer. Until then, I must make do with my government-issued theropod robot concubine.

>>51728128
I sexually identify as a nuclear submarine and the devs should respect that.

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>>51729124

>>51728737
Lasers do great in pintle mounts

>>51730879
I would totally fuck a robowhore. We need to cash in on this. It technically wouldn't even be illegal to fuck them/whore them out, since they're not people.

>>51732529
What's the story behind this?

>>51732720

No idea, I think it's concept art for something. I feel like I've seen the style with Blade Runner's concepts, but it was just posted in a thread like this one and I saved it, remembering "dollhouse" mentioned a couple times in the books.

My guess is dollhouse is a pod brothel or something similar.

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Valentines is well over, so last one of the night before we'll have to switch themes.

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Where did the Eastern Europeans go in EP?

Wanna make a rugged as fuck generically Slavic prole in a worker pod.

>>51731148
Scientists say that sex robots are very close to be a thing and will probably be common as fuck in 40 years.

>>51737035
How will they account for exsurgent STDs?

>>51737019
I don't really think there's really a habitat described in the books as having a lot of those. That being said you can always just make up your own.

>>51737019

Little bit on Luna, The Organization there is said to have originally been pooled from Russian, Eastern European and Middle Eastern groups in the orbital area who decided to work together. Russian is associated with a couple habs in the Near-Earth sphere.

Some in the Belt and Venus too, Kron Kartelyeĭ on Titan is said to be a mix of Russian and Ukrainian operators who are actually mostly out of places like Extropia - though they have some operators on the ground in Titan. Russian corps seem associated with a lot of mining and heavy industry, so you see the language pop up in mining platforms and industrial towns - see some Poles on Gerlach for instance. There's a slavic hypercorp called Volkov on one of the moons of Saturn who do gas mining, mix of some eastern european languages there - and in some other distant fringe habs.

>>51734234

>female, 19, wants to contact me
>ME
>female
>sure

>>51737035

Scientist said that earth is flat and sun revolves around earth just not so long ago.

I want my robowaifu as any next man but i don't think we gonna have something even remotely human-like in next 40 years, maybe 80-100. Maybe!

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>>51735977
no, more robotic corporate whores

>>51741797
no, scientists never said that.
scientist as a noun only came into being after the renisance, and if you actually do some real research there are more flat earthers out there today than there have ever been at any point in the past.
Also google sex bot. or sex machine, and you will find many machines intended for sex that are only a hairs breath of being a robot.

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>>51741797
Put a fursuit on this and you're pretty much good to go.

>>51741797
>i don't think we gonna have something even remotely human-like in next 40 years
in terms of cognition or fuckability?

>>51742289

fuckability of course anon for fuck sake, i mean we had million of years for that with real woman and cognition there still sucks i don't think it can be fixed

but seriously, was thinking about fuckability, cogniton is pretty much speeding up with robotics but i don't really think we can imitate feeling of real human that easily and dodge uncanny valley.

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>>51742545
You don't have to dodge the uncanny valley, just stop before you get there.

>>51742545
And what do you think the limiting factor on fuckability is? Robotics is getting pretty good. Fleshlights work pretty well. Quiet electric motors aren't hard to find. Control algorithms are definitely good enough if you don't like to talk much.

>>51734234
>the future of dating is people spamming contact requests all over your HUD

I'm cool with this.

>>51742545
>we had million of years for that with real woman and cognition there still sucks i don't think it can be fixed

>>/r9k/

>>51742772

And i want my bitch blush when i fuck her tiny hole, i want her face to show she is a little bit overwhelmed, scared and in pain but its alright we are doing it together, she trusts me and she loves every fucking bit of it, i want her legs shake when she finally comes.

I want my waifus imitation of pure and perky young adult sex with experience of someone older every time. This is ideal form of sexuality in mind of most of males and only this will bring all the beneficial biological responses in you. Its fucking proven, look at porn. Until robots could do that, they will be no better than a fleshlight and blowdoll.

>>51742838

joke
your head

go be faggot somewhere else

>>51742964
>i was only pretending to be retarded :^)

>>51743177

sure thing buddy im not the one that doesn't understand a simple joke here. Don't be so butthurt and take your meds.

>>51728562
>wanting to get brainhacked

>>51743978
>what is a brain box

>>51743978
>Not airgapping

Post your character.

I'll never have a team since no one I know plays this game but at least I can pretend.

>>51744878
Catalina Gustavsson is a Swedish-Chinese-Canadian Scum catgirl Async scum simulspace designer and nano-ecologist who travels with a party of hot girls who are also her Firewall server, in a recovered Chinese PLAN space corvette. She spends pretty much subjective years at a time between missions in decadent simulspaces de-stressing from missions and enjoys convincing people to adopt her sexy bodysculpts.

Her main job in the party is defending from nanotech risks and detecting Exsurgents, and being a bit of a face. She also makes a fair amount of rep and cash selling XP and simulspace porn.

>>51744878
I don't have a character.

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>>51745932
feelsbadman

>>51744878
>>51698728
Only if you don't try to find one, anon.

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>>51744878
The grandson of an infinitely wealthy Lunar banking Duchess, Captain Pelagius “Pelaga” Rawlin Brueghel was given control of his own small shipping firm at an early age, in hopes that a life of starfaring adventure would divert his interests away from the constant intriguing against the family that preoccupied his siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles and parents.

>Motivations: +Wealth, +Adventure, +Making Parents Proud
>Company: Oannes Transportation
>Ship: The Summer of George

>>51744878
El Carapacho, the swashbuckling novacrab adventurer. A social infiltrator and swordfighter extraordinaire, he's wanted throughout Jovian space for liberating a mining vessel they tried to claim during the Fall chaos.

When not putting on the act, he's a jovial old man and veteran vac engineer.

>>51744878

I GM, so depending on how you look at it I make all or none of the characters.

>>51746271
Gomenasai Anon-kun

>>51744878
A small fork hive distributed across a reasonable portion of the solar system, merging copies every 12 hours or so. Specialized in habitat systems and bootstrapping fabber output. Mostly sleeves in flexbots.

>>51744878
An aphasic orca serial killer

Plasma rifles are cancer

>>51748475

No, you get cancer when someone shoots you with one.

>>51748479
People who don't understand the most basic concepts of weapon systems are also cancer

>>51748475
Why? Been a while since I've read through the EP weapons but I remember them being pretty powerful.

>>51748579

People who make claims others are cancer, tend to be the most cancerous. He who stares into the abyss should be aware the abyss stares back - and who who fights cancer should be careful, lest he becomes cancer.

And also has no sense of humor

>>51748623
People who turn people's own claims against them are stage 4 pancreatic cancer.

>>51748579
>>51748623
>>51748742
People who call others cancer are stage 5 prostate cancer.

>>51748842
Stage 7+i teratoma

Seriously though, plasma rifles are really dumb

>>51748972
What's wrong with them?

>>51748475
Found the compulsive Atomic Rockets reader.

Anon, it's time for an intervention.

>>51749012
The basic principle won't work as advertised

>>51749039
Hey now. I'm an atomic rockets contribitor. Get your facts straight.

>>51748972
In the same setting where cyborg crabs and robot centaurs are viable options to download your brain into?

No, they're not.

>>51749065
Brain uploading is actually way more believable, as long as you leave computer hardware details fuzzy.

>>51749012
Plasma isn't very energy dense (it's very energetic, but not dense at all), and expands and cools extremely rapidly, and is hard to contain and generate, using a lot of energy to do s.

So use the same amount of energy in the same time in a laser or projectile weapon, and you can easily get many times the amount of energy on target, in more penetrating and dangerous ways.

If you can make an actually dangerous plasma weapon, another weapon will be 5-10x as dangerous.

>>51749821
So make the weapon shoot some other projectile or energy that creates plasma at the point of impact.

>>51749821
Alright /sci/anon, science me this:

How would a realistic laser gun work?

>>51748475
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARAUDER

>>51750326
That's literally a powerful laser gun. It'd work, but it's not really what the popular image of a plasma gun is, as it doesn't actually shoot plasma.

>>51750452
My guess is that you'd use some kind of arclamp to stimulate the gain medium. Some of the other options like chemical lasers require carrying magazines full of really reactive halogens, which seem like a bad idea to have in your pockets on the battlefield.

CO2 lasers are pretty efficient, and efficiency is gonna be really important so that the weapon is lighter and less likely to burn your hands. It's also very readily absorbed by water, so it'll mess up meaty targets well.

It's also easy to pulse a CO2 laser, which is important because many pulses works better to deliver peak energy and prevent flesh from acting like reactive armor: A continuous laser wastes a lot of energy hitting the vapor/plasma shot out of the wound. Waiting 1-5 microseconds between pulses mostly fixes this.

About one KW per shot (50-1000 pulses) should be able to drill a hole ~5 cm deep (sketchy as hell math here) which should down someone, but not through armor. Increasing that by 10 means it'll kill people.

Ideally efficiency is maybe 25%, but the ideal case doesn't need to be a handheld and rugged device, so lets you half that. That means that each shot needs about 8 KW of power going in. That's the hard part, making a battery/capacitors which can supply that kind of power very quickly without being large or dangerous to use.

The other big issue with laser weapons is reflection, scattered laser light can easily blind people able to see the impact at unpredictable angles. It'd probably be possible to make eye protection which could protect against laser-flash (closed helmets covered in flat cams or *very* quickly changing opaque membranes maybe?), but you'd really want that.

Lasers are also fairly short ranged without chirping them, which might be hard to miniaturize. I'm sleep and probably fuck this up somewhere.

>>51751423
>Some of the other options like chemical lasers require carrying magazines full of really reactive halogens, which seem like a bad idea to have in your pockets on the battlefield.
That's a problem you're always going to have. Your other options are highly flammable batteries or boxes full of gunpowder.

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>>51751489
I had assumed that the amounts of chemicals would be really high because all of the chemical lasers I know are huge. Looks like they don't have to be from a chemistry standpoint, so a whole mag might just be a mole of flourine.

Scary, but so is whatever hell-battery the thing uses.

That makes the dangerous part of a chemical laser the exhaust, as the promising designs seem to release DF, F radicals, and a bunch of stuff. That's nasty, and probably really hard to neutralize, as your laser rifle is also a small rocket, so the exhaust comes out fast.

I don't think a gun which releases powerful acids is a good small arm, but I'm also not really sure how hard it would be to protect against or neutralize the exhaust. I might be overestimating how dangerous that really is.

>>51751641
Most high power designs would use transverse flow to maximise throughput, so adding a suppressor would have no impact on the beam quality.

>>51737019
>Where did the Eastern Europeans go in EP?
There is one orbital habitat where Polish is main language. Gerlach I believe.

https://eclipse-phase.wikispaces.com/Gerlach

Out of major languages two are Slavic
Sidebar: Languages in Eclipse Phase
With the Fall of Earth, the languages that remain most prominent in the solar system are those that were extensively carried into space by countries and hypercorps with aggressive space programs or by the large populations of poor laborers and infomorph refugees that followed. No single language dominated the realm of space expansion, and multilingualism was common. Many habitats and (sub)cultural groupings cling to specific languages as a method of retaining cultural identity. Despite the availability of instant translation via the mesh, many people remain versed in two or more languages.
The ten languages with the largest speaking populations are: Arabic, Cantonese, English, French, Hindi, Japanese, Mandarin, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish. Other languages that remain strong include Bengali, Dutch, Farsi, German, Italian, Javanese, Korean, Polish, Punjabi, Swedish, Tamil, Turkish, Urdu, Vietnamese, and Wu.

>>51751641
Gas dynamic lasers are a possible solution. They're more complex mechanically but the chemicals can be a lot tamer.

>>51751641
What about particle bolters? Is there anything fundamentally wrong with them?

>>51750326
That's called a laser

>>51751332
Those are mostly used in fusion research

>>51753646
The other uses are mostly classified.

>>51752993
No, but the damage rules don't represent the serious radiation hazard that they are. Getting hit by one of those means you also eat a lethal dose of ionizing radiation. Hitting someone else from a very short range means you probably got a lethal dose as well. They have a similar power supply problem as lasers.

WHEEEEERE THE FUCK ARE THE GAAAAMEES??!?!

>>51759670

>cd's just laying there on the floor

fucking degenerate filth

Can anyone share the Argonauts sourcebook?

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>>51760439

This is the original backer version, so it still has some typos and stuff.

>>51760481
Thanks!

>>51739788
>>51740997
>>51752254
Thanks a bunch, much appreciated.

>>51737035
https://www.rt.com/uk/361200-robot-sex-cafe-london/

The Future is Now

>>51759670
>Using monitors
>Using physical keyboard
>Using desktops
>Having anything be wired
>CD DISCS TRIGGEJHRED

THIS ISN'T ECLIPSE PHASE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51762313

Nobody learns any better from your attempts at satire - they either know better already or don't.

>Personally, I liked Nexton Wang until I was invited to go on one of his retreats. Wang periodically organizes events where he gathers a dozen or so thinkers from different fields in a condensed version of the old JASONs’ summer working sessions. The topic was intelligence enhancement, and Wang’s guest listed included not just Argonauts, but the lead designer on
the free will-hobbled freeman morph, a Cognite executive, and an exhuman with Extropian connections whose most notable opinion was that intelligence enhancement should be based on position within a societal hierarchy. Wang thinks he’s shaking things up by inviting people like this in, but really, he’s just giving a platform to people with reprehensible views.
>he's just giving a platform to people with reprehensible views.

I see even in the far future where the POV character narrating the foibles of the past, ironically fall to the same problem they mentioned not too long ago.

>Worse, the personalization of content delivery based on past consumption habits divided societies by creating alternate realities in which citizens of opposing political persuasions couldn’t even agree on basic facts

Bitch, how the fuck are you going to convince anyone with different views if you stay in your fucking bubble? Maybe they're not even wrong, or even that much different, given Argonauts object to people mentally augmenting themselves to the point of ASI.

>>51763062

Pretty sure the "can't agree on facts" thing IS talking about people in bubbles.

>>51763152

Exactly. Her disgust with the President of the Argonauts for inviting people with reprehensible (different views) is falling into the same problem the narrator mentioned in the beginning chapter of people trapping themselves in information bubbles.

The POV narrator advocates a segregation of ideas, and zero engagement with those the narrator finds reprehensible. It's the least intellectual thing I can imagine, and incredibly lazy for someone who believes they have the superior debating position.

Invite them, tell them your position, and why it is good, or you surrender options to change the opinions of others, and are limited to other means of change that aren't so cordial as a debate.

>>51757332
You think that could be used secretly?

>>51763475
Not him, but you'd be surprised what the government can pull off when they're not being woefully incompetent.

>>51764393
Give an example

>>51764420
They somehow keep the American people docile while they relentlessly assrape them.

>>51764714
Hoodwinking idiots isn't particularly impressive.

>>51764756
Intelligence is relative.

>>51764920
To you

>>51765148
So I'm the standard by which intelligence is measured? Thanks.

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>>51725853
Post questionnaires

Just kiss already, jesus.

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>>51765261

K

>>51765261
But they're SO long. Can't someone make an abreviated version with less sex stuff what wouldn't be relevant to a game I would want o play anyway?

>>51765583

I feel like we've made truncated versions in the past, don't know if they're lying around though.

>>51765670
Perhaps they should be

Question, why does the T. rex enemy have a freerunning stat? :V

>>51765995

That's the skill you roll to chase, move over rough terrain, etc. It'd be freakier if it had Free Fall.

>>51766026
For some reason, I imagined it parkouring with its stubby legs, roaring as a bunch of freaked-out splicers and uplifts run for their lives over city rooftops.

>>51766241
*arms, not legs

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>>51762313
>not being a post-ironic neo-retro-cyberpunk

>>51766788

Shit, should have posted a dinosaur picture. That would have been relevant.

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>>51766859

>>51766852
>All that wired old fashioned shit

That's a picture of a Firewall sentinel the day after they hear that basilisk hacks really exist.

A long time ago, someone posted a dog morph. I'm trying to find it because I'm interested in playing one but I no longer have that thread saved.

Help?

>>51751641
So what I'm hearing is that it's probably easier and more damaging to just hurl some kind of dense object at extreme velocity at the target, rather than attempting to use directed heat and light.

>>51768140
Usuallt. Lasers can be good for certain applications though. Point defense, for example.

>>51766852
>being post ironic in a post ironic world
how does it feel to be conformist garbage?
The only way to be a non conformist nowadays is by being a conformist anti-ironically.

Also how do you people find games in all seriousness? Or do you legit spend more time shitposting about EP than actually playing it.

In which case: are these threads the ultimate form of degeneracy?

>>51769102
95% of my EP experience is shitposting

>>51769102
>Also how do you people find games in all seriousness?

We don't

>>51771901
But that's awful.
I would be running a game by now if it wasn't for my extreme social anxiety.
EP is such a fun setting and the system doesn't seem too difficult to GM, so i don't get why there aren't heaps upon heaps of people running EP games.

http://ephrep.blogspot.com/2017/02/captcha.html

Theory-crafting on how EP might employ human-verification systems, like CAPTCHA.

>>51774222
Anything you could test for that just about every human would pass can be done by a purpose-built delta fork.

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>>51774382

Not really, the delta is basically an AI template which vaguely resembles your personality - and are described as "functional amnesiacs". And with core aptitudes reduced by 10 that means a lot of them are going to be very noticeably below average at some basic functions. Screening AIs or algorithms could probably catch the tells.

>>51774222
If everyone has a microchip in their brain you only have to verify the chip.

>>51774530
A lot of people are very noticably below average at some basic functions

>>51774640

Yeah-yeah. But this is a drop from the like normal 10-20 range to like, the 1-10 range. Some smart animals will have better ratings than that. In fact, regular purchasable AIs would probably be superior, their floor is 10 in an aptitude already and then they go up from there.

>>51774542
So if I give my spambots my ID code they're free to do whatever?

>>51774798
Okay? Does that make the strategy feasible?

>>51774909
Sure, if you want to attach your real name to spambots.

>>51774542
How would this be implemented on a system-wide level without making it easy to create fake identities?

>>51774967
>>51774909
>>51774542

>"Very strict security or transparency habs may require a rather intrusive verification process which double-checks the Mesh ID of a device against a registry, identifying the type of device and who it is supposed to be owned by - and may reject devices with anomalous IDs or with obvious fake registry. Others may check metadata so that certain activities can only be performed from a device registered as a mesh insert or home server to try and make sure an Ego is behind it - which has a tendency to catch script kiddies stupid enough to try and run spambots or exploits right out of their own brains."

>>51775068
How do you get on the registry though?

>>51775138

Probably the same way you get a mesh ID. Which is not really explained by the game. They say it's a bit like an email address or screen name - but it's also like a phone number and assigned to every user, device and informatic entities like AI and infomorphs.

>>51775549
Verifying personhood would make that process dramatically more difficult.

>>51771373
The Eclipse Phase game I always wanted to run.

Instead I got stuck with people who I swear to fuck hang around here and did nothing but shit out JOVIAN STRONK and ANARCHISM STRONK in equal measure and then throw a bitch fit when they realized I didn't have a diploma in aerospace engineering and sociology.

My fault for believing the assurances that the Jovian and anarchist players would get along in the same group.

>>51774530
that title
anon i love you, and i wish many cute things upon you

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>>51777790
I always thought it a fucking shame that they didn't write "wants to see otter people" here.

>>51778130

Maybe if they talked about Europa.

EP states it's a horror game.

How the fuck it's an horror game when there's no fear of death and backups are mostly affordable everywhere?

>>51768140
Well the plus side is you can't miss a target within a few light seconds of you.

>>51778659

Don't care much for horror vidya?

>>51778659
Cosmic horror, not traditional horror. Huge difference.

How rad would an earth survivor campaign be on a scale of "a riveting game of backgammon" to "laser gun fight on a motorcycle while wearing mirrored shades"?

>>51779876
laser backgammon

>>51778659
Uuuhhh
Horror doesn't have to be gore-y and awful and always sad.
If it has you horrified about what's going on for even a second, it qualifies.
Plus some people argue that the title refers to it being the "horror" of transhumanism.
Resleeving and forking and psychosurgery and Xrisks and whatnot.
I personally think that the motto makes it seem like a definitively positive and nice game setting.
A bit like Contact. Or The Abyss. Or Close Encounters. Or the uhhh... fear street horror book series? Or some of the more "nice" creepypasta?

The fear of death isn't gone, it's just that it's not permanent any more. It still hurts like shit and can ruin your life if you don't have a sleeve to resleeve into.

>>51779876
>obligatory "depends on the setting"
I would say that if managed well it can be pretty damn good, but will be difficult, as the whole character creation and system is optimized for transhumans.
Have a couple of flats or pseudoflats stuck on earth with no resleeves, and presumably no reliable mesh connection, and you throw half the system out of the window, and the remaining part is going to be a bitch to balance, because the once populated parts of earth are as hostile an environment as you can possibly get, and flats are as squishy as you can possibly get.
If you manage to balance it, or have the magical touch of being able to create deus ex machinas and GMPCs that are ok, then i's say it's about one of the greatest campaigns possible. Also jetskis are vastly more rad than motorcycles

>>51780146
Flats aren't so bad if you gear up. Really, it's the gear that makes the character, and flats have more to waste on that than pretty much anyone else.

>>51780251
Yeah but that would get in the way of being "survivors"
You're hardly survivors stuck on earth if you start off with a small armada of space capable drones and ships.

>>51780146
>>51779876
To make it work, you'd have to have very advanced characters. Which makes sense, since anybody who has managed to survive that hellhole has already proven to be badass in some form or fashion.

They'd pretty much be all combat characters, perhaps with a dash of crafting to make your Fallout level crazy weapons.

>>51780285
Well if you want to start a new campaign with pre levelled characters that's fine, but the weapons and combat are still bugging me because a lot of the nicer stuff are space inventions.

>>51780422
Well, timewise it's not that far removed from the Fall in space. It's not strange to think that variants already existed on earth, either in earlier models or prototypes

>>51779876
You and your motley crew of survivors have done what you can to live in this dead world. You had no plans beyond just making it to tomorrow. Dreams of leaving this rock behind have been dashed by the defense satellites in the sky destroying everything that dared to rise above the clouds. However, in your scavenging, you found a small scrap of hope. A map to an underground base housing an orbital catapult of gigantic proportion. With this, it might just be possible to make it past the quarantine zone and out into space.

Your goal: Get to the base. Reactivate the catapult. Find a ship. Escape Earth.

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>>51765261

Made a new one.

>>51780590
>dismissing Jovians
I'm pretty sure they're not just backwards, but they're also generally feared.

>>51780692
That's like being afraid of the Amish

>>51780746
The Amish aren't a military empire.

>>51780692

Well, Azura basically puts Jovians in two groups, like she says. Either they're hypocrites because they cram themselves full of augs and avoid only certain technologies and feel they are more "human" than others somehow - who are tough opponents. Or they actually stick to their virtues and retain their moral purity which is very comforting, but handicapping yourself to just grit and skill means you don't usually beat people who have skill, grit and no handicap about augs.

But she might be a little mad because of their association with the US Military-Industrial complex.

>>51780776

Neither are the Jovians.

>>51780789
>but handicapping yourself to just grit and skill means you don't usually beat people who have skill, grit and no handicap about augs.
Hasn't it been mathed out that basically a flat with skill and decent equipment is only slightly less dangerous than someone with a tricked out morph?

>>51780776
The Jovians have minimal force projection capability. It's a brown water navy.

>>51780806
No. Speed mods are brutally effective, as are reapers.

>>51780806
In my experience, it doesn't matter what morph you are as long as your gear is up to snuff and you actually put your skills into what matters for combat. I had a flat rock power armor and he was the de-facto combat king

Octotank notwithsanding, of course.

>>51780806

But in this case the other opponent also has skill and decent equipment. Also, not really, I don't remember the math. There's some big variables in that factor. >>51780859 Like power armor is a big variable. Azura was talking about getting into knife fights with Jovian spies in dark alleys, not fighting a squad of Jovian marines.

Azura actually has stats, though, she's an NPC in my campaign I thought would be interesting to try and do the questionnaire thing on her as an exercise.

>>51780901
And the opponent gets between two and four times as many actions

>>51780901
The math is basically about meeting certain thresholds of lethal force, those thresholds being what it would take to incapacitate easy, medium, and hard opponents. It surprisingly takes very little, there's a lot of overkill in combat centric stuff, meaning that your investment level in such things can be astonishingly low if you understand the math behind the system.

>>51780957
What thresholds?

I've read Peter Watts' great short story Mayfly which is about fast-growing human ego in silico and it made me wonder, what was the point of the whole Lost Generation project? Was there actual demand for new egos? Weren't there millions of infugies just gathering dust?

>>51782724
The demand they were trying to meet is for egos with certain properties and talents.

>>51782808
Didn't they get uniform training? Or where they planning to do that with the next batch?

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>>51782724

Besides Cognite fuckery ("Fuck indentures, we can sell this product!") the idea I think was to rapidly replenish population loss with skilled, educated transhuman egos who would have no baggage about the Fall or TITANs, and could be made to order for parents who wanted kids without fucking around with all the waiting - something some people with cash might want in a crisis situation, and would otherwise be free-ish agents (but obviously on the Cognite teat for all their morph needs etc) without worrying about "property rights" for Uplifts, Indentures, whatever.

They were supposed to be a clean slate, a new miracle generation to help fix the problems of the past, help the Consortium expand with new blood who don't need to work 5 years to pay off a body before they can be paying customers.

And it went...poorly.

>>51782872
I wonder if people still do something like that in EP because at it's core it seems like a good idea. Maybe some sort of alternative childhood fuckery Amber's son experienced in Accelerando. Transhuman weirdos would probably come up with some hilarious ways to rise kids

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>>51780590
>a mercenary/hacker who is also a pretty girl

That brings /epg/'s total up to maybe four or five. I wonder if in 10 AF you'd see a disproportionate share of people electing to be female for this exact reason.

Also, a small factual error

>Religious terrorism wasn't really our concern

If she worked counter-terror in the People's Republic of China, it absolutely would have been. The Uighur are known to carry out everything from bombings to knife attacks on crowded busses, partially in the name of separatism and partially in the name of Islam. This is something that's only gotten worse over time, and I doubt it will have improved much by 0 BF. Pic somewhat related.

>>51780806
>>51780789
>>51780901
Whether it's for combat or for something else, the really big problem with using a riced-out morph loaded with custom augs is that you can't take it with you when you egocast, and you're probably going to be egocasting to every mission that you go on. Why have a starting morph that's anything beyond a basic splicer or case? Any investment that you can't take with you is usually a wasted investment.

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>>51783917
You know how it works.

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>>51782970
Ah Accelerando, damn I love that novella. I think one of these days I might just try to convert EP to be more like Accelerando and get into the hardcore bits of it.

>>51783917
>I wonder if in 10 AF you'd see a disproportionate share of people electing to be female for this exact reason.
What a time to be alive

>>51782845
The details are unclear.

>>51785507
What I liked the most about Accelerando is all the wild post-singularity shit like the Dyson Spheres, Economy 2.0 adjusted humans, the Wunch and Lobsters. EP tends to be more down-to-earth than that.

>>51775737
>JOVIAN STRONK
>ANARCHISM STRONK
Absolutely genetrash

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>>51783917

>Also, a small factual error

Well, this supposes Uighur terrorism would regularly enough go down in the area of the Hong Kong metroplex, and that nothing changed in the situation in like 120 years - which is outside my scope.

Of course, I also had Azura joke about scientists releasing new tech as open source was "terrorism", so it's entirely possible that drift of use of that word means that modern, classical terrorist orgs had become only one small slice of the situation the cyberwar specialist wasn't really concerned with.

My impression of the setting is that a lot of governments in the 10 or so years before the Fall would probably mostly be concerned with anti-government or anti-corporate anarchists (I/E, the kind of groups who were rebelling off-planet to form the early Scum), and then false flag or sponsored terrorism by corps and other governments in the vast shadow conspiracy/cold war type bullshit going on

>a mercenary/hacker who is also a pretty girl

I don't know about you guys, but GitS was a huge influence for me to get into EP - I watched SAC when I was like 13. So any character who is a girl and can shoot guns but also computers is a little bit the Major to me.

The questions don't quite give the right context to explain it, but I'm imagining in her birth Splicer body she was a rather plain, ordinary looking asian woman who probably got a little punk in college and then had to roll it back because she got a government job. She only became a hot amazon killing machine after working in Oversight a few years because she wanted to be more like her nipponese animes.

>>51784116
Who the fuck does egocasting?
It's unsafe as fuck and honestly i wouldn't like the thought of the info that makes up me just floating around in space ALL the damn time.
Unless you're doing quantum entanglement communication >all the time< you're essentially sending billions and billions of potential alpha forks out into the universe, if you're using a high capacity transmitter, and still almost as much with a low wattage transmitter but now you also have the problem of transmission errors which you can't ever correct, because it's a one way communication.
Don't get me wrong i'm not a technophobe. Forking is fun, resleeving is fun.
Egocasting? That shit is fucking scary to even think about.

>>51780851
>>51780859
>>51780832
>>51780806
>>51780776
Why are you people thinking that any fighting will be done with morphs btw? Have you regressed to the 20th century?
You don't actually need people in every weapons system.
A bit of grey goo, a bit of the exurgent virus, a bit of hacking, a bit of neural psi scrambling, and you have yourself a nice way of defending yourself.

>>51789884
Right. That's totally how the Jovians would do it.

>>51789884
And then some flat pops you with a hunting rifle because none of that will physically stop a bullet.

>>51790090
Well these are not augment stuff.
Psy things could be reverse engineered enough to be protected.
Grey goo and the exurgent virus are shit that you throw at your enemies not yourself, and hacking is as old as fuckin computers.

>>51790147
Well if the flat is allowed to come that close something has already fucking failed.
And if you mean that they would just be sneaking in and attacking random people, then one could still have robots and shielding, etc.
Jovians are fascist human-purists not luddites.

>>51790435
>Psy things could be reverse engineered enough to be protected.
No
>Grey goo
Jovians aren't touching that. Honestly, none of the major powers are going to touch that. You would have to be an imbecile.
>hacking
Here's the funny thing about hacking. You can't do it while airgapped, which the Jovians like doing.

>>51790435

Well, depends on how you're defining "close". On a personal scale rifle range is not close at all. On a planetary scale that is pretty close up.

>>51790510
What's airgapping?

>>51790510
>Jovians aren't touching that. Honestly, none of the major powers are going to touch that. You would have to be an imbecile.
>our governments that are using slave labor and abduct people and kill anyone threatening them are too scared to touch a potentially great technology to annihilate your enemies with.
You cannot be this naive.

>No.
You just have to capture ONE psion and read emissions, and reproduce them. Even psy is physical interaction not magic.

>airgapped
Yea things like the mesh don't exist.
And things like espionage doesn't exist
And things like transmission antennae to target far away wireless connections don't exist.
Things like EM devices to fry your circuits don't exist.

>>51790524
If you allowed someone with hostile intentions to just walk around on your planet you already lost half of the war.

>>51790557
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_gap_(networking)

>>51790579
>You cannot be this naive.
Slavery is only morally wrong.
Using gray goo that you don't even understand is stupid.

>>51790642
If you manage to contain it, by say floating it in a vacuum with magnets, and having an instant incineration device built in should containment fail, then no it's not that risky.

>>51790579
>Yea things like the mesh don't exist.
It's pretty easy to turn it off for a given device.
>And things like espionage doesn't exist
So?
>And things like transmission antennae to target far away wireless connections don't exist.
One of the nice things about high-gain antennas is that they're great ignoring stuff they're not pointed at.
>Things like EM devices to fry your circuits don't exist.
What the fuck does that have to do with hacking? That's electronic warfare.

>>51790675
If you leave it in the box then it's not a weapon, now is it?

>>51790435
>Well if the flat is allowed to come that close something has already fucking failed.
Well yeah. The whole point is that you have intelligent agents doing everything they can to make something fail.

>>51790579
>If you allowed someone with hostile intentions to just walk around on your planet you already lost half of the war.
That's not an excuse to throw the other half.

>>51790686
i included electronic warfare in "hacking".
Yes i know it's the other way around but, the point still stands.
And the other things you said are no argument for why the jovians wouldn't be able to protect themselves.
If someone decides to attack, they could sabotage them before the attack even begins by trying to spy out any potential attackers. Some evidence is always available.
Then you have espionnage where you can just send in an agent to attach a black box somewhere in the millions of miles of cables that usually form the backbone of the mesh in any place that's more than a toaster.
And there's a pretty could chance you could sent out a mini sat without anyone noticing and then have that thing target the high gain antennas from the right direction.

>>51790713
>acquire gray goo
>put suspended in mid vacuum with incineration device.
>launch at enemy fleet assembling
>deactivate incineration device before impact
>profit

Damn straightforward.
You don't have to use it anywhere near you. And grey goo can't traverse interplanetary space, or otherwise the moon would've long since been infected from earth.

>>51790760
The other half consists of the things mentioned above.

>>51790147
>>51790435
>>51790579
>>51790760
It's like arguing that Afghanistan should have been winnable with drones and satellite surveillance and comms networks and NVGs. There's not a hell of a lot you can do to tell what someone's intentions are or whether or not they've got a hunting rifle stashed away out of sight.

>>51790884
This is an argument for me though.
Remember the image about "who would win? the entire US army, VS a couple thousant barely armed vietnamese farmers with outdated soviet equipment"
...
The fact is that if you're on the defence, you have an advantage.
That's why iraq and afghanistan and vietnam were so fucked up tough.
Attacking the jovians with your advanced weapons would be similar, only they would have mostly similar level weaponry and technology, except for augments.

>>51790769
>i included electronic warfare in "hacking".
Well don't.

>i know it's the other way around
Neither cyber warfare nor electronic warfare is a subset of the other.

And the other things you said are no argument for why the jovians wouldn't be able to protect themselves.
We're aware that the Jovians are not defenseless. No one said they were.

>If someone decides to attack, they could sabotage them before the attack even begins
Maybe. Meaningful sabotage is a lot harder than it sounds though.

>cables that usually form the backbone of the mesh
I'm not sure you know what a mesh network is.

>And there's a pretty could chance you could sent out a mini sat without anyone noticing and then have that thing target the high gain antennas from the right direction.
[citation needed]

>launch grey goo at enemy fleet assembling
Anything that would spread it over an enemy fleet will spread it to lots of other places. One of the nice things about nukes is that when you detonate them they don't make more nukes that could potentially find their way back to your population centers.

>grey goo can't traverse interplanetary space
Titan nanoweapons did traverse interplanetary space.

>>51790938
cyber warfare is a subset of electronic warfare, because as far as i know electronic warfare is basically anything that can cause damage to electric devices.

>I'm not sure you know what a mesh network is.
In any place where there's a bigger user or server there's a gonna be a lot of cables. Even if those are usually under the hood.

>citation needed
You have a sat-net in a can available for buttons and bits of string basically, and i haven't heard of any technology being capable of tracking fingernail sized things all across the entire solar system.
And you have the neutrino emergency farcasters, so something that tiny can send a large enough impulse to reach any high gain antenna.
The rest is just geometry.

>spread
Just throw a can at each ship.
They don't even necessarily have to notice them since they are slow moving projectiles and can be tiny.
Ideally they'd only notice when half of the ship is gone.

Titan nanoweapons were specifically engineered to do that i assume, because if normal gray goo could to that, again, the moon would be gone.
Generally the fact that earth still has a surface means that grey goo is not as potent as people think. But it sure as hell works on the area you send it to.

>>51791346
How is a small satellite going to mimic a serious comms array? Won't someone notice when there are suddenly two sources?

>fingernail sized
Look up aperture-limited diffraction.

>throw a can at each ship
Why wouldn't these ships have point defense or nano defenses?

>>51792168
The stronger source would usually win and the other disregarded as an echo, or noise.
And besides that's why it's "hacking" and not just "taking over everything with a click of a button"
It's not 100% guaranteed to work.
The idea as with all hacking is to do send the damaging code before anyone can react and shut down the system.

>aperture limited diffraction
I uh...
That's diffraction limited aperture i think, and i have no idea what that has to do with this.
The hacking minisat would not need to resolve anything.

>>51775737
>allowing jovian fanboys into your game

Here's a tip. Just ban them from your game. Either they're just trolls trying to ruin your game, or they're autists that don't understand what roleplaying means.

Anarchist fanboys are bad too, but at least they can fit into the game just fine.

There's nothing more infuriating than setting up a campaign, spending hours in it, and the Jovian player immediately starts attacking the other players when the game starts while spamming "HAHAHA TROLLED BY /pol/ YOU DEGENERATES!" in the main game chat and in pms.

Oh, I see that discussion has ended now.

I wonder what we'll discuss next?

>>51792316
>There's nothing more infuriating than setting up a campaign, spending hours in it, and the Jovian player immediately starts attacking the other players when the game starts while spamming "HAHAHA TROLLED BY /pol/ YOU DEGENERATES!" in the main game chat and in pms.
You can just kick them....

>>51793106
Not when your PC is infected with a virus that loops a laughing skull and crossbones gif.

>>51790579

>And things like espionage doesn't exist
A bunch of flats/near flats don't make a good espionage org when others aren't. They're dumber and less capable than the crazy things coming out of labs on Titan and Mars. It's not that they can't compete, but they'll likely end up on the defensive over time.

>Things like EM devices to fry your circuits don't exist.

They actually don't, unless by circuit you exclusively mean antenna. It is possible to scale up past the defenses, but at this point it's not an EMP so much as a bomb.

>Even psy is physical interaction not magic.

We don't actually know that, the ETI might just be magic. Or psi acts like a client for an ETI server in another galaxy and can't be reverse engineered without the server. It's not like the ETI would ever let someone get a hold of any of their shit not on their terms.

>>51790769
TITAN grey goo is smarter than Jovians and can evolve to be immune to fire, it'll break containment as soon as it feels like it.

>>51793106
Saves some time by just not letting them in though.

>>51792307
It's for tracking the fingernails across the solar system.

>>51793480
>not an EMP so much as a bomb.
A nuclear detonation is very versatile in this regard. Kill a couple ships and disable a lot of the rest if their antennae are connected to the inner circuitry

>psi
the point is it has measurable physical effects
so that can be measured and reproduced.

>TITAN grey goo is smarter than Jovians and can evolve to be immune to fire, it'll break containment as soon as it feels like it.
This is just blatant TITAN scaremongering. If it could break containment why didn't it do so already


>tracking the fingernails.
you don't have to, you can calculate its path pretty damn well once you know where it's moving initially, and you can just send out a wide angle beam of encoded signal to it that it will then decode and send directly into the highgain antenna of the thing you want to illicitly communicate with.

How expensive would be a server that can run ten egos at x60 acceleration?

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>>51783917
ABSOLUTA

By Lex Chu, Sentinel <Info Msg Rep>

The fastest-growing settlement on Mars is this charming little commune a short flight south from Noctis-Qianjao, where a religious society called the Daughters of Absolution have a home. Another cult on the red planet? You don't say! Well this one a little more insidious than the average, and it's not just because they've successfully marketed themselves to the corps and the anarchists as a kind of perfect compromise. It's because they've been waging low-key memetic warfare on the entire solar system with one purpose: ensuring that all of transhumanity identifies with the female gender.

Crazy, right? I went in with a couple of friends a few weeks ago, who said there was a hot new resort town. Absoluta. Where all of the women are beautiful and attend to your every need, where clients and visitors can pay any which way they like and there's no restriction on immigration as long as you participate in their 'membership rituals'. Needless to say, I went in with four friends and left with one. Three of my friends, guys, decided that they'd really rather just stick around in the commune and live as women with their sisters. I decided to uh... sneak in a bit later and take some discrete brain scans and they showed basically what you'd expect: subtle neurological changes suggestive of some really clever psychosurgery, as well as subharmonic induction. Not everyone is affected equally, and most people don't even realize what's going on because they're not directly compatible with the first-stage assimilation (as they call it) techniques. Gay women are more vulnerable than men and gay men are the most resilient, but that's only to their generalized treatments. They've got specialists who seem to just instinctively know the chinks in everyone's mental armor, the exact buttons to push.

And then there's the references to TITAN tech I found. It doesn't look good...

>>51790510
>Jovians aren't touching that.
Why ?
Jovians will use everything they can to reclaim Solar System for humanity from legions of software copies thinking they are real.

We know they have basilisk hacks, TITAN experts, enslaved AGI's, drone's,combat morphs, antimatter warheads, quantum communication network and so on.

>>51793727
Jovians: the biggest hypocrites in the setting.

>>51780789
>Neither are the Jovians.
Jovians are the strongest military force in Solar System, maybe PC is on equal terms with them. But in war they would dominate anyone one on one.

>>51780832
>The Jovians have minimal force projection capability. It's a brown water navy.

Are having "My fantasies about Jovians" thread again ? Because books clearly depict them as having one of the strongest, if not THE strongest navy.
They have the highest number of dreadnaughts, quantum communication network, huge stockpile of antimatter, largest experienced crew pool.
Heck, just one splinter group from Jovian fleet is match for whole factions.

>hurr it's too fancy for jovians
>hurr jovians must use nothing other than rocks and sticks or they are hypocrites durr

>>51780746
>That's like being afraid of the Amish

Jovians in the setting are more like USA.

>>51793595
>This is just blatant TITAN scaremongering. If it could break containment why didn't it do so already
>hurr durr TITAN are a force of nature, they can't be fought !
Just ignore them. Next thing they will say is that Earth is a dead planet with no survivors
>because big bad TITANS were there

>>51793783

[citation needed]

Titan is described as having a very similar level of military readiness, resource access and citizen militia/compulsory military service and has 20 million more people than Jove. And they're lunatics who might be backed by ASI and have asyncs and exhuman-level minds running their intel network - which is creepy but probably great for their military capabilities.

>>51790147
>And then some flat pops you with a hunting rifle because none of that will physically stop a bullet.
Three things:
1.Jovians use plenty of slicers anyway
2.That flat will come 10-20 years of military training.
3. Jovian military is allowed to use more advanced morphs for combat

Most of Jovian population is trained militarily and in case of war would form armed militias like Switzerland.
Jovian military on the other hand is highly trained, has wealth of experience and uses whatever is necessary to protect last stand of humanity in Solar System.

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>>51793826
>Titan is described as having a very similar level of military readiness, resource access and citizen militia/compulsory military service and has 20 million more people than Jove

>implying they aren't Neo-Swedes dreaming to accept Rape Ape as their Prime Minister

Also their home base is in vicinity of dormant TITAN Matrioshka Brain, and they don't have people who actually created TITANS(like Jovians do).

>>51793868

So... just like the Commonwealth then?

And big chunks of the PC though admittedly they aren't centralized.

They, just, y'know, have literally millions more people to draw from.

>>51793868
>last stand of humanity in Solar System.

Nice headcanon anon. It's called transhumanity and your callous disregard for resleeving technology and egocasting is going to ensure that human-normative thought patterns, drives and desires will be gone from the Solar System far before the last flats finally die.

>>51793762
>Jovians: the biggest hypocrites in the setting.
When the last humans in existence are surrounded by rampant software claiming it is "self-aware'' any means necessary to protect the species are acceptable.

>>51793911
>So... just like the Commonwealth then?
Except with actual soldiers, dreadnaughts, basilisk hacks, antimatter stockpiles and people who created TITANs.

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REMINDER

LOOK TO >>51792316 FOR GUIDANCE

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>>51793899
>implying Jupiter is safer

>>51793956

So... exactly like the Commonwealth?

>>51793970
>>implying Jupiter is safer
Last time I saw Jupiter wasn't orbited by dormant TITAN moon(which coincidentally could be activated by someone still in possession of TITAN response codes...surely not)

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>>51793956

>basilisk hacks

That's okay a Martian corp is working on countermeasures.

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>>51793982
>tranny
>>/pol/
>>/lgbt/

This thread is for discussing Eclipse Phase, a transhuman horror setting. If you can't talk about transhumanism except by reflexively associating it with transgender people, you're literally retarded.

Also >grammar

>thread turns into Joveshit AGIN
generals were a mistake

So, asyncs take damage whenever they use an active sleight right? That seems kinda painful.

Do you just have to limit your usage of sleights or are asyncs just not that good?

>>51794039

So, exactly like the Commonwealth except for all the bullshit you made up or grossly overexaggerated from plot hooks which may or may not be factual statements?

>>51794064

I mean, while sleights are useful I doubt there would be such a case of frequency that you would usually rolling a d5 plus a couple numbers (and minus in some cases) you'd cause yourself serious lasting harm - and even then natural healing is pretty good. Dope up with medichines and I think you get back like 1d10 per hour?

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>>51794069
>h except for all the bullshit you made up or grossly overexaggerated from plot hooks which may or may not be factual statements?
All of the things are stated in the books.
Not my problem you are uncomfortable with the fact Jovians are one of the most powerful if not THE most powerful faction in the setting.
To me it seems fair, humanities last stand deserves nothing less.

>>51794064
Passive sleights are just like augs for ego. Asyncs would work great in a campaing with frequent resleving and egocasting.

So I'm working on a homesteading game set in an outer system hab, dwarf fortress style. The players are the first people to set out and try to build their settlement, and their lust for riches, reckless experimentation and need to instantiate infugees leads to their undoing (or not).

Anyone interested?

Some of this fighting is stupid. Look, here's the thing about Jovians. They've got immense military and technological assets and they use that to advance their ideological agendas. The point of them is that they're made out to be dicks and bad guys, but they might also be entirely correct in their assessment of the state of transhumanity.

They pose fair questions to the more liberal factions: Are you really improving yourself? Is your life just an endless, hedonistic series of escapes? Are you really yourself? Are you human anymore? If you're not human, should we treat you like one?

These are questions the game line (in fairness, mostly just the core) does ask you, but the Jovian faction has their own answer in stark opposition to the assumed factions of most PCs.

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>>51793958
>>51794032

In the name of our lord, Space Pope, amen.

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>>51794032
>>thread turns into Joveshit AGIN
Since Eclipse Phase is about humanity fighting for its existence in face of inhuman monsters, rampant software copies, mutants and scavanger aliens it is only fitting that discussions are dominated by faction that leads the battle for humans to reclaim their rightful place in the universe.

>>51794121

Yeah, except the TITAN-derived morph things isn't true, thats a meme about the plot hook at the back of MRG which is actually the inverse - that humans had gene lines of morphs which would would resist basilisk hacks that the TITANs deliberately destroyed to prevent from proliferating stocks - not that it matters because their designs have evolved in the past 10 years. Also not that it matters because that's an idea discussed in a fluff chatroom of sentinels - not presented in say, a "Game Information" chapter.

Unless you're one of the idiots raving about "LTLS is ETI!" because that's just people being mad the system isn't more hard that's not actually sustained anywhere by the fiction.

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>>51794187
And I totally agree with you.

I even kinda liked talking to the Joveposters pre-Trump, but this new wave of anti-progressive ethnic nationalism in the anglosphere has made /epg/ completely intolerable lately. I want to talk about how people adapt to a strange and terrifying future, not the amoral retrogrades who just shoot everything they don't understand.

It'd be nice if the Joveposters had some new material that wasn't /pol/ faggotry. Talk about your Catholic space marines or some new game or module you're planning, or discuss ways that the Jovian fleet could deal with TITAN threats besides overwhelming firepower (didn't work) or being unhackable (subjective and not true). The shitposts have become cyclic.

>>51794302

Welcome to shitposting.

I think their bait is luckily finally beginning to get stale to most posters who are in here often enough.

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>>51794274
>Yeah, except the TITAN-derived morph things isn't true
Is this the lie rampant software is forced to say when it tries to convince the world that it is self-aware?

>>51794330
>rampant software
>>>/vg/

Go back to Halo, mate.

>>51794253
Not him, but the thing is, it's really hard to fit Jovians into a game. Not because of the backwards-ass political views, but because they're naturally violent and aggressive towards the assumed goals of Firewall and those that support them.

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>>51794302
> I want to talk about how people adapt to a strange and terrifying future
Total eradication of out of control rampant software, and mutant freaks.

>>51794227
It's like running in circles with you faggots. There's exact same disscusion in every thread.
This is why generals are cancer, you have a bunch of retards who feel to cozy and start spaming the same shit. And the worst part is that you will never-ever see a regular non-general thread because what's the point when you have a general(where good disscusion is mixed with faggot "regulars" running in circles). Put on tripcodes so I can filter this fucking drivel.

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>>51794328
We got, what.

One Jovian waifu years ago.

Come on Joveposters, give us some new material.

>>51793899
what is a matrioshka brain tho

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>>51794353
>Not him, but the thing is, it's really hard to fit Jovians into a game. Not because of the backwards-ass political views, but because they're naturally violent and aggressive towards the assumed goals of Firewall and those that support them.
>playing as Firewall

There's your problem.

>. Not because of the backwards-ass political views
Oh please.

>>51794302
I've always liked the Jovians because it would also be really easy to see them as the good guys of the setting. They want to save Earth. They want to fight this incredible looming threat instead of pretending it doesn't exist. They want to remember the history of humanity, and they want to keep being as human as possible to spite their foes. They believe in tempering the power of new technology with restraint. All of these would totally be the characteristics of a good guy faction in pretty much any other game.

>>51794353
> the assumed goals of Firewall and those that support them.
Does anyone honestly play as Firewall? That's one of the most self-limiting concepts I can imagine.

>>51794397
/epg/ threads are dominated by anarchy-fags.
In the books bioconservatives aren't limited to Jovians and LLA is actually their natural ally.

Also 95-98% of humans are either splicers or flats.

>>51794005
>dormant TITAN moon
jesus christ what
>>51794083
>>51794018
No but if the tranny actually had the brain of a woman... which some say is in some ways true (some structures more closely resemble those of females than those of males in the gray matter)
Then they would be female.
Especially if they could actually create offspring that can be another human being.

Transhumanity is the same
We have control over our genetic code, and just because someone elected to change theirs doesn't make them less human.
Otherwise genetic variation would be disallowed.

GM anon here, the one who just mentioned homesteading the outer system. Anyone interested, or is this just shitpost central?

>>51794397
See, if I were able to run my game properly, I'd make it possible to cozy up to different political factions in exchange for kickbacks. So the Jovians would give you sweet military hardware and material aid for remaining baseline and letting marines bunk in your settlement now and then, the Titanians would help you go all infosocialist with fabrication and high-end communications networks, the Extropians would help you incorporate your hab and help you find profit-seeking venues.

But if you get too cozy, they'll just find a way to take you over.

Totally not inspired by Tropico.

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>>51792316
Maybe I just have the highest Moxie in the world because every Jovian player I've had has been a blast to play, and not all of them were played by people I knew. Now that I think about it the only problem player I had wasn't that his character was an anarcho kiddo or a Jovefag but he got super pissed that I told him his gestalt consciousness exhuman sleeved into a biomechanical monstrosity was a piss poor character concept for a game taking place primarily around Mars. Y'know the planet with a giant fuckall quarantine zone full of biomechanical monstrosities? Populated by people who haven't forgotten the horrors of the Fall?

So the lesson we can all learn is that exhuman PCs in Firewall games are actually the hardest to deal with and I'm not sure anyone should allow them in a game. Jovians and anarchists alike are much easier because at least they're fucking human in outlook and motives (or uplift blah blah blah you get the point).

>>51794386
>>playing as Firewall

>There's your problem.

Oh come the fuck on. The rulebooks by default assume you to be playing Firewall. If you're not, you're totally changing how the game was supposed to be played.

There's nothing wrong with that I guess, but then you come back to:
>it's really hard to fit Jovians into a game.

See what I mean? You have to go out of your way to play Jovians or things go to shit.

>>51794353

They don't necessarily have to be, though - if Joveposters actually looked at their own sources there's actually like, political differences in the Jovian group. Some are isolationist, some expansionist, some are pro-military fight because if they wait 20-30 years Transhumans will have strongly out-competed them, a minority of them want to liberalize technology - there's a lot of ways you can take the Jovian ideology, but y'know, most Joveposters are pocket 40k fags who fail to see the irony that the point of 40k is everybody is shitty and fight a lot.

>>51794433

>Also 95-98% of humans are either splicers or flats.

Now this is actually absolutely wrong and anyone with half a brain for math would know.

>>51794500
>>Also 95-98% of humans are either splicers or flats.

>Now this is actually absolutely wrong and anyone with half a brain for math would know.

I know that most of transhumanity is splicers, but I don't know the specifics. Where is it said?

>>51794397
To be honest the only way to actually stay sane with an incredible looming threat is to ignore it except for a few people tasked with monitoring it.
Look at South Korea.

>>51794433
more like 90%

>>51794302
Since these people are from /pol/ i don't actually think they are unironically nazis.
pol's make up is 50% normal people 15% trolls "lol i trol u i don't actually want to gas all jews xD", 15% "ironic naziposting is fun, look at how i'm distancing myself from them" people, 15% "pretending to be actual nazis for the hell of it because it's a nice cohesive aesthetic" and 5% actual nazis.

Therefore the conclusion i draw from my experience is that these people are either just here and posting joveshit for their own entertainment, or they are actual nazis, which has a pretty damn low chance.

This is not different pre or post trump, the only thing that changed is that now that memes won the election, it's cool to meme about /pol/ shit and joveshit is /pol/ shit.

So yea.

>>51794358
>the second from the left
""""""""""non augmented""""""""""

Okay, making a Jove character for the folios. Any requests?

Will it be:

>lapsed Catholic Irish-Jovian informant/fixer on Mars
>self-harming Mexican-Jovian teenager async attending a police academy
>aggressively resleeving TOP FUN Jovian fighter pilot who skirts around the egocasting limitations by switching his brainbox between different customized morphs

>>51793595
Nukes don't create an EMP in space. NEMP is created by interaction with the atmosphere. A nuke is essentially a *very* bright flashbulb in a vacuum. A single nuke is only going to kill multiple ships if they're docked.

Measured sure, that might be possible, reproduced, probably not. A person form the 60s could find a cellphone and reproduce every component, but they won't be able to get most apps working because the server they talk with (anything external) doesn't exist.

I'd expect something like psi to have some tamper resistant capabilities.

>This is just blatant TITAN scaremongering.

The TITAN SRN has COG 25 (the aptitude cap for a Splicer, so probably smarter than most people), and has the ability to evolve immunities written into it's rules. It's a basic explanation of capabilities.

>If it could break containment why didn't it do so already
1. It probably did, but no one has noticed yet
2. It's biding its time with some kind of self (or TITAN) serving plot.
3. The assumption that it got captured at all is erroneous.

That said, there are dormant TITAN SRNs sitting in containers in bunkers in the TQZ, and so long as they're handled carefully it should be possible to safely move them. It'd be hard to employ, and probably not all that useful in space, but it is a weapon which could be employed. Mind The WMD involves one of these containers.

Or you can just roll your own grey goo weapons, but they won't be as powerful, and will be vastly safer to handle.

I'm talking about tracking a launched SRN container, as hacking a warship with a cubesat is laughable. if you're just talking about EW, then it's just a small decoy, and not really all that useful on it's own.

>>51793680
IIRC there isn't a specific rule. As a GM I assume that each multiplier is like running an extra ego, to 10 egos at 60x would be the same as 600 egos at 1x.

>>51794083
Neither are Mexicans. At best they're uplifts.

>>51794546
Most humans egos are either in cold storage or infomorphs. Many with bodies are in simple synthmorphs or worker pods.

>>51794455

Honestly, personally, while I've never had any really problem players (well once for an online pickup, but he was just being a metagame dickhead who didn't want to go in the room with the thing) I feel like the real issue is any case where the player gets too attached to a fictionalized ideology in the setting and goes way too hard on it and that causes problems because you get way too attached to your ideas and can't bend them like, y'know, people in real life in these kinds of situations would actually have to. Being an ideals zealot usually makes you a shitty person in real life.

>>51794546

inb4 "haha I mean humans on jove! All other places empty shells" but, Mars is the largest singular population center in the setting, with like ~200 million egos. And all of it's major cities are in the 40-60% Biomorph range - and this is not accounting that a chunk of those bios are going to be in more environmentally adapted morphs, though generally if you average smaller populations out they may be more inclined to Flats and Splicers.

If you go by the lifepath charts, you have like a 50% chance to be Earthborn, and then that itself has somewhere between like a 30-40% chance you start as a Flat, with similar or slightly higher spreads for the other backgrounds on the table - and this doesn't account for all the ways you can change morphs in the path.

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>>51794565
Seriously if you think that people supporting Jovians are Nazi you are out of your mind. Jovians represent largest remaining real human population and they actually think about the Fall. Most other factions ignore it. Also they have strong attachment to national identity(LLA too). They are naturally evoking symphathy due to their fight to preserve humanity and potentially reclaiming Earth.

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>>51794620
I personally like the first one.

I like the idea of a Jovian joining Firewall purely to kill TITAN creations and exsurgents. Like a Doom Marine kinda person. He's not quite willing to accept that transhumanity is ready to use all of this technology responsibly, but he isn't a hardcore Jovian power fantasy either since he doesn't give a shit whether you're a human, uplift, or even a goddamn AGI.

So really he's "Jovian" insofar as he was born and raised in Jovian space and trained with their military for the past decade, but is more of a precautionist.

And that's about as far as his politics go. Everything else is "destroy all exsurgents".


>>51794669
Uh, what. Book says splicers make up most of transhumanity.

>>51794447

I'm not free to join, but I like your idea enough I'm thinking of basing next thread edition on it.

>>51794713
>>51794546
There is a number for Splicers in one of the guidebooks and it is within 95-98%. Will look for it later.

>>51794752
Jove evokes plenty of my sympathy. I've had several characters respect and admire the republic for its strong values and the excellent quality of its armed forces. Theirs is the most natural response for all of the humans who didn't /have/ to resleeve and face the moral and existential compromise of either thinking of yourself as dead or not, and seeing all of the other survivors get really weird and aggressive.

Joveposters could honestly do with leaving buzzwords like tranny, kike, empty shells, etc, at the door though.

The fun thing is that one single idea could have the entire jovian philosophy come crashing down if it could be told to everyone there.

>>51794651
Jovians live on moons. Moons with atmospheres.
Atmospheres that you're not required to breathe from so you're free to fuck them.

A single nuke actually catapults particles of the casing at such high speeds that it would damage multiple ships, and that's without the radiation blast frying everyone in their tincans with bremsstrahlung.

>Measured sure, that might be possible, reproduced, probably not. A person form the 60s could find a cellphone and reproduce every component, but they won't be able to get most apps working because the server they talk with (anything external) doesn't exist.
I really don't understand what you're saying here.
Either there is no far server involved, and the effect is generated in the brain, and affects other brains.
Or there is a far server involved in which case it should be possible to log the different measurable things the psion emits in different situations, and then emit them again to get the same effect.

The analogy is: you don't actually need a cellphone to send a message, if you log the radiowaves it emits, you can reproduce those, and the tower will still send the message.

>>51794651
>and has the ability to evolve immunities written into it's rules.
So what. So do bacteria. Yet you see no one dying of antibiotics resistant superbugs in EP

1. no it did not. otherwise we'd be dead and earth would have no titan shit left over
2. there is no conceivable thing it would need from earth
3. no one mentioned that it got captured, what i'm saying is that SOME gray goo can be used by the jovians without trouble
it doesn't have to be from earth
though i would doubt that it's impossible to capture
emp the shit out of them and then scoop up the surviving few and put them in a vacuum magnet container, it won't be able to do anything and won't have any substance available to evolve to do shit.

>>51794713
I wouldn't want to go in the room with the thing either. That's just common sense.

>>51794330
Rampancy is a HALO thing, you're in the wrong thread.

>>51794397
They don't really. Don't conflate what the church and a number of private individuals think with the policy of the state. If the SC doesn't want it, the state doesn't really care.

>>51794353
They're the Kender/Drow of the setting. In theory interesting, but no one except Those Guys plays them. I've had precisely 1 good Jovian character, and that was a bot-jammer in a Gatecrashing game, where it really never came up. Technically Jovian anyway, they were a Europan expat living in Extropia IIRC.

>>51794794

I'd accept that number maybe for biomorphs, but looking at the way population demographics are said to skew and the numbers for overall population in this >>51794749 (which I believe is still accurate to the latest numbers in the books) I can't see how that could be right for total transhumans.

Like, the Martian 200 million, with VNS having almost the same population as the Jovian Republic or entirety of Luna and having like both 20% Synths and Pods, or the Titanian 60 million and they're supposed to noticeably have a large volume of Hazers, etc. Wouldn't be the first time the setting was internally inconsistent though.

>>51794651
>if you're just talking about EW
What

And i was talking about actually launching a cubesat because it doesn't have to fucking do anything, just serve as a hard to spot relay in the right position to send to the high gain antennas employed by whoever.

>>51794752
Well no i don't think that that's what that post was all about. I think it's just meme-ing, and to be honest it's all good fun.
I don't think there could be too many people actually as retarded as the jovian posters who ask to exterminate everyone apart from flats.

>>51794806
I actually don't think that in the setting proper there would be too many Jovians legit hating all other sentients in the solar system.
I highly suspect that's just kinda like what has been happening with the whole US election thing and all trump voters being called deplorables and racists and whatnot despite there being very good rational reasons to prefer him over his opponent, and no actual credible reports of anyone actually doing anything to reinforce that stereotype.

lol
I just imagined Jovians complaining about the martian fake news.

>>51794620
Second one

>>51794752
>Jovians represent largest remaining real human population

Okay, I really don't get this. Why do some of you have this crazy obsession with staying "human?" Humanity is and always will be constantly changing, trying to keep it the same is just backwards.

>and they actually think about the Fall.

Most people don't like thinking about past traumatic events when there's nothing you can do about them. Do you complain about IRL people who don't go around complaining about the Holocaust?

>Also they have strong attachment to national identity

Jingoism is not a good thing. Being proud of something you had no control over is not a good thing.

>>51794939

>I just imagined Jovians complaining about the martian fake news.

I'm pretty sure all factions in the setting complain about everyone else's fake news.

Except the Argonauts who kind of stand way back and slowly shake their heads. And Firewall Filters who are just like "BAM, MORE FAKE NEWS, PAY NO ATTENTION TO EXSURGENT GANGS ATTACKING LOCUS"

>>51794944
>Being proud of something you had no control over is not a good thing.
This is objectively false.
You need a healthy sense of attachment to your people or the social structure will over short or long time fail. This means that you have to find a way to keep many different families and views and economic brackets and physical features together all liking each other.
If you don't social cohesion diminishes and the effect that a being a social animal and having empathy and solidarity all bring will diminish and you will be outcompeted by other societies.

And the easiest thing to keep all those people together is a sense of "it being great that i am from these circumstances, because then maybe i too can do great things".

>>51794975
i definitely want to play in a seed AI plot some day.
if for nothing else just to test how the interaction with firewall would be.