Why can't you just forgive the villain? The world is an

>>51715521
The villain is harming innocents in the pursuit of further worldly attachments.
As an enlightened soul, it it my duty to send the villain to their next reincarnation before they accrue any more negative karma.
Anger does not guide my actions.

>>51715521
Indeed, if you fight your enemies, you're just as bad as them!

>>51715521
Of course I can. He still has to be stopped.

It's a classic Gygaxian paladin thing to do. If a captured bandit wants to repent, the paladin will gladly assist him, and then chop the bandit's head off on the spot. Hopefully his alignment change reduces his karma for the next life.

>>51715521
Properly channeled hate is one hell of a motivator.

You cynical fucks fuck off, he was eating pregnant women

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>>51715521
>The world is an illusion
Alright mate, next time a bunch of bandits come in to gut you just "think away" their sharp blades.

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>>51716002

You know, being a psion I probably could.

>>51715521

So...in this analogy what does that make releasing anger in the direction of the thing you want dead?

>>51715521
If the world is an illusion, than I too am an illusion.

>>51715521

Wait wait wait.

Buddhism isn't really about forgiviness.

So >>51715605 is an actual answer alright.

>>51716040

Videogames aren't real, but CPUs are.

>>51715521
>Only Jesus forgives and hopefully he'll forgive me too because I'm about to commit some mad violence.

>>51715521
If he's actually repentant, sure. But to forgive a powerful sociopath and send them on their way is irresponsible.

>>51715605
Shouldn't you seek to help them reach enlightenment in this incarnation?
Have you ever even tried?
Have you ever approached the BBEG and said "Terribly sorry to bother you, but do you have a moment to hear about Jesus, our Lord and Savior?"

>>51715521
Because running away from your problems shouldn't be the basis for a religion.

>>51715521
He stole my favorite boot, illusion or not the fucker is going to pay.

>>51715521
But anon, I forgive him, doesn't mean he doesn't have to pay for his crimes.

>>51715521
If life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me.

>>51715521
Sure sure, he's forgiven. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to put some illusory knives into his back so that his spirit isn't attached to the world anymore.

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"You can be all about peace and love, but you cannot sleep next to a rabid dog"

Wrathful deities are worshipped for a REASON

>>51715521
Forgive and submit to are not synonyms. I can forgive the villain just fine.

That doesn't mean I'm going to leave them to their villainy.

>>51715521
>Why can't you just forgive the villain?

God does the whole 'forgiveness' and 'mercy' thing better than me anyways. So I figure I'll just send 'em packing to God and let him handle it.

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Because perfectl characters are boring. Interesting PCs are weird and flawed and therefore often behave in unenlightened ways.

>>51715521
He broke is word to me. I served him with everything I had and he abandoned me. My existence was made happy and stable by serving him, and then all crashed around me when I did everything that he said. Even after I made my intent to leave him clear I continued to not take every opportunity to harm those who were close to him. And for all of that I received nothing but more deaths.

Because such a detached and arrogant worldview will lead to utter stagnation and eventual degeneration into mindless anarchy.

>>51716787
>He stole my favorite boot, illusion or not the fucker is going to pay.
The most true-to-PC reply in the thread.l

Talking to someone only works if you have power over them in some measure. If you have nothing the villain desires that they don't believe they can take through other means, you may as well try to convince termites to not eat your home.

I've recruited many of my foes to my side in my time, but far far more were slain, because if talking worked anywhere near what most people think, there would be no violence in this world.

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>>51715521

If I wanted to be happy and spiritually fulfilled, I'd stay home and live my life.

I'm adventuring because I am a broken person driven by ambition, greed, etc. Killing the villain is merely the socially acceptable way for me to fulfill my dark desires.

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>OP getting this rekt

>>51715521

I can forgive him while still stopping him from killing people.

Letting go of hatred doesn't necessitate apathy.

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>>51715521
Being deliberately killed to death is a pretty insurmountable worldly attachment, I think.

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>>51715521
Petting scorpions with a compassionate hand only gets you stung.

The most difficult act in the world is to sit still.

Be more concerned with good actions than with great ones.

Choosing between two evils is still choosing evil.

We only sympathize with pain when it is our own.

Everything is born. Everything lives. Everything dies. Everything is born again.

tl;dr: I might be a nice, pleasant person who focuses on enlightenment, but I'll cut you down if you decide to be a dick.

>>51715521
Prevention

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>>51715521
My players have. A lot. A LOT. In soul-breaking ways. The game has become an almost uncomfortable challenge and struggle to defy convention and find solutions to end suffering. My players are true Paladins and I couldn't be more proud.

Mind you, they understand as well there are some things for which forgiveness does not exist.

>>51715521

Because the fucker keeps crashing on my couch each time his plans for world domination fall through. The first few times were understandable.

After the past year though? It's time for him to get a real job.

>>51715521
Hello Youkai Jesus.

>>51715521
The villain is a fucking Demon. As in Evil Incarmate.

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>>51715521
1000 times what they did to us!

Maim in Anger! Kill in Hate! Ruin in Unforgiveness!

If we have to tear down heaven to the very last stone to make sure he spends eternity in hell, so be it!

HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE! HATE!

>>51719597

Like... half of those are bullshit and/or contradict your statement. Togashi would not be proud.

If the Villain wishes to find forgiveness, then normally I would try to help him/her/it.

But the big IF is that said Villain actually wishes to stop being a evil cunt. See most bad guys in any media and real life don't actually think they are doing anything wrong. Some of them even think they are the hero and you are just trying to stop them from making the world around them in their image.

Now if the villain sees what he did was wrong, that all his actions were for nothing and made the world a worse place, then I can find the heart in me to actually believe him...but those kind of Villains are rare and far between my friend.

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>>51715605
>>51715605
This

ALSO

Friendly reminder esoteric buddhism has shit like the wisdom kings, asskicking wrathful manifestations of the Buddha's who fuck shit up and do things like kill anger and terminate death with extreme prejudice

>>51719897
>Dragons
>Not self contradictory

>>51719897
Not my fault you don't get the Tao of Shinsei.

Go back to Thrane.

>>51719597
>>51719897
>Petting scorpions with a compassionate hand only gets you stung.

Treating dangerous, aggressive beings with compassion is just going to bite you in the ass. Don't do it, just take care of them - with force.

>The most difficult act in the world is to sit still.

If you see something morally wrong happening, or know something morally wrong happening, and you feel compelled to act on it, just do it.

>Be more concerned with good actions than with great ones.

Just do good things and be a cool dude instead of trying to stroke your ego like a tryhard.

>Choosing between two evils is still choosing evil.

This one is fairly obvious. A lesser evil and a greater evil are still evil. See above for why you shouldn't do that.

>We only sympathize with pain when it is our own.

True sympathy for other's pain tends to directly affect us when we know the person in pain, or more literally when we're in pain. Alternatively, you will never know someone's pain, because they're not you, and they're feeling different emotions from you, so you literally can't know pain but your own.

>Everything is born. Everything lives. Everything dies. Everything is born again.

Reincarnation.

I don't get how you don't understand things that aren't literal statements. Is this a new meme?

>>51719850
I'd like play a paladin like this just for once. "Powder keg of justice" and Nicholas Angel types are good and all in the hands of a Proper Roleplayer, but sometimes you have to level a decadent city-state or twelve before you can spread the law of love.

>>51720192
One of my dream ideas is for a setting with a Trinity of gods similar to FRs triad, each encompassing the various good alignments. In FR it's Tyr, god of law, Illmater, God of Healing, and Torm, god of Paladins and the loyal fury. Tyr and Torm are LG, Illmater is NG

My dream triad would be LG, NG, and CG. Tyr the god of law,.Justice, civilization and war

Illmater the god of mercy, forgiveness, healing and kindness

And Torm the RIGHTEOUS fury, god of righteous anger, punishing the wicked, and fucking shit up.

Because every good guy team needs a guy who just fucks shit up

>>51715521
because I spent like 5 gold on these crosses and this guy won't crucify himself

>>51715521
Because trying to help the villain reach enlightenment was what made him the villain.

>>51715521
But I don't want spiritual enlightenment, I want material goods!

>>51715521
>Why can't you just forgive the villain?

Two reasons

1) If the villain isn't dead, they can get back to business.

2) It sends a signal to other potential villains that they can start shit without fearing for their life, increasing the amount of villainy in the world

>>51716076
If you're releasing your pent up anger than you're making the other person drink the poison.

>>51716343
BTFO Christfag.

>>51719597
>We only sympathize with pain when it is our own.
I sympathize with pain. Pain never gets appreciated.

>>51715521
In the last campaign I was in, despite the massed genocide, my Superman-esque warrior did just that.

She found her way into a genuine, no-holds barred, words as intended, wish and brought back everyone killed by the villain along with said villain who was killed anti-climatically by the actual BBEG of the campaign.

Walked right up to the villain and sucker-punched them before telling them not to do anything like that again.

The villain is now 'on warning' and works on the farm my character started up for retirement.

Granted this was a rather lighthearted campaign anyway.

>>51722251
To be fair, BEEEEEEES is a questionable area to focus on.

>>51716229
You know jesus fashioned a whip and drove the money lenders out of the temple with violence
JC is cool with violence against evil.

>>51722636
He also cursed a fig tree to death because it had the audacity to not have fruit out of season.
JC had a real temper problem sometimes.

>>51715521

Buddhism isn't inherently about forgiveness. It's pretty much about finding the right balance or "middle path".

The 1000 fingers bandit story basically boils down to the fact that it's never too late to change if you truly wanted to. There's another lesser known story where it was either buddha himself or a disciple of his comes across an evil naga/dragon blocking his path which refused to let him pass so in order to pass through he turned himself into a bigger naga/dragon and in turn it was frightened and then submitted and took refuge with him which is meant to convey that sometimes to vanquish a lesser evil you must adopt and become a bigger evil temporarily.

Sometimes the villain does not learn and you must teach them harshly. That does not mean you have to kill them if another option is available, such as a long imprisonment time until they have learned the error of their ways. If they never learn then they never leave.

>>51715521
Sure, but sometimes heads just have to roll. Someone has to answer for what has happened.

>>51722658
He had some serious daddy issues.

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>>51715521
It isn't anger anymore. For the last 13 years it has been sadness, regret and planning.

What's so good about being the emperor if I can't get my daughter back?

Also, in my setting souls are factual, so buddhism doesn't work.

>>51722997
>factual
As opposed to all those souls in Buddhism that are fictional?

>>51715521
I'm not angry with the villain. He is an obstacle on my path to rule, and a threat to those I seek to command.

>>51722997
If souls are factual Buddhists would just seek out whatever means are required to destroy them to prevent the transmigration of spirit.

They might temporarily become BBEGs to free themselves from the cycle of reincarnation.

>>51715521
AFAIK that's not a quote from Buddha.

According to Asura you need to punch them to ease their sin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsYZqXV2CUw

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>>51715521

>>51715521
Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content." - Conan

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>>51723061

>>51719932
>"AAAAAAAH CHILL THE FUCK OUT FOR THE SAKE OF ENLIGHTENMENT 'N SHIT AAAAAAAAH!!!"

>>51722636
>JC is cool with violence against jews

Fix'd.

>>51723049
There are some people like that, but they aren't buddhist-like, just nihilistic cults.

Plus a few people which were killed and their souls imprisioned because death alone wasn't bad enough for them.

>>51723325
Nobody tell him

>>51723646
Its why he was so willing to martyr himself.

>>51719850
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