>Get invited into a game from Roll20 >Website uses pep

>>51714540
>roll20
I found the problem.

>>51714540
>The Cult of the Frog god Kek continues an ancient war with the demonic bull entity Moloch. Moloch wishes for the Church of the Silent Knight and the Broken Shield heresy to be utterly destroyed so that it may take over. The Cult of Kek wishes to try and end the conflict as peacefully as possible and create a state where decent people could live and the cults of Moloch and Kali are annihilated.

Is this /pol/ made manifest?

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>>51714540

The non-human and demi-human laws kind of make sense even if they're a little stormfaggish.

>All these weird sex and chastity laws

I wonder if these are the GM's attempts to keep players from playing women because he's had bad experience with cross-gender characters or if he's just living out some /r9k/ power fantasy. Given the fact this game is apparently set in a racist police state I lean towards the latter.

>>51714540
So a historically accurate medieval setting with fantasy races?

What's horrible about this aside from being terrifically grimdark?

Have you actually played through this game or are you just bitching about the setting before you've actually seen what the GM does with it?

And finally
>Roll20

>>51714649

Found the GM.

>>51714540
Why would anybody ever live there?

>>51714613
Did you see the pepe icon for the website

>>51714649
Hello GM!

You also might be Virt, not sure. He likes to be pointlessly contrarian regarding this sort of bullshit.

>>51714649
Nice website you got there, friendo

>>51714637
$20 says he's inviting women on roll20 and will abuse these rules to fuck their characters.

>>51714613
It's just a direct copy of basic pol mythology

As a bonus, the city's flag is a slightly modified flag of Kekistan

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That's a nice bride you have there.
Be a shame if something were to her.

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>>51714731
It's not pol

>>51714649
>the count can have sex with all your women
>historically accurate

>This empire would last a long time and maintain peaceful relations with the surrounding non-human nations and the undying city.
>This empire would last a long time

This is definitely a guy who should be judging whether other people are fit to GM

>If you are selected as a DM you will start as a DM in training and will have another individual preside over you and make sure you are capable of flying solo. After some time working with your associates you will become a full fledged DM.

>>51714649
>Prima Nocte
>historically accurate

You are a fool, sir.

>What's horrible about this aside from being terrifically grimdark?

Ah, here's the fucktard who didn't even bother to follow the link. KYS.

>not even using correct Latin

>>51714649
>Historically accurate setting.
>Any elf or half-elf caught committing a crime will be put to death regardless of what the law says.
>Women must be married by the age of twenty, unmarried women will be held into custody for five years while the government investigates possible association with witchcraft.

Are you referring to the rule of Emperor Norton, or Caligula's less sane brother?

>>51714540
It might just be grimdark or it even could be a setting for some kind of brave-heart rebellion so your wife and daughter aren't gangbanged by some sniveling obese count.

>>51714790

>maintain peaceful relations with the surrounding non-human nations and the undying city.

How the fuck is that gonna happen when anything less human than an Elf is Kill on Sight?

>>51714771
Where does Kek vs Moloch come from otherwise then? Are you suggesting this frogposter came up with an obscure Egyptian god vs a Canaanite God by himself, with no input at all from one of the biggest frogposting boards on the internet?

>>51714832
>>51714832

To be more fair than we should, an "armed peace" a là Two Koreas might be interesting.

>>51714868

Yeah we all know that's not what it's referring to.

The non-human kingdoms just kowtow to the superior whi- er, human race.

>>51714540

So I assume that this count is like a level 20 wizard or something, because he's clearly never tried to bed an adventurer.

Insert joke about how monks can do unarmed damage with any part of their bodies.

>>51714832
That specific empire apparently fell in the backstory

>>51714540
>Homosexuality and other abnormal sexualities is absolutely banned within the city. Therapy is not provided for individuals involved in these crimes only death.
I fail to see how this game is terrible.

the prime nocta propels this from interesting fantasy dystopia straight into magical realm.

>>51714972
It's okay if the ruler does it though...

Also there's no good gods but one, the rest are just archfiends.
And /b/

>>51714965
It only takes one aspect that you agree with to make something good in your eyes? Dang anon.

>>51715018
It's something so sorely missing from most settings that actually seeing it would elevate even the most putrid dross to a tolerable level.

Remember anons. No game is better than a bad game.

>>51714649
Name a historical empire that allowed the ruler to fuck every woman he wanted to and have any resistance punished by death.

>>51714540
>setting has (i forget the correct term) "Social Authoritative Fascism" attempted to be dialed up to 11, got as far as 8 and got stuck on retard.
Clearly the game will have Social Justice themes.
Could still be good unless its retardation is to be taken 100% serious or players are expected to conform to society or rebel in a specific way.
But designing a game like that is a red flag large enough for me to want a big reason to overlook it, like having played an awesome game run by the GM before.


Serious question /tg/:
What does it say about me that the thing that bothered me about that setting description was:
>Therapy is not provided
How shocking!
Like there was anything about any part of that implied therapy would ever be provided.
Are you going to tell me the Prince doesn't tuck you in at night and give a cookie, too?

>>51715149
>he never watched Braveheart

>>51715161
>What does it say about me that the thing that bothered me about that setting description was:
It's the point where it's clear that the writer is more interested in getting attention than doing an adequate job conveying setting information.

>>51715149
Probably some despotic Chinese regime.

>>51715167
>fiction

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>>51715149

>>51715167
To be fair, it probably came out four or so years before he was born.

With all the fucking wouldn't it be extremely easy to assassinate this fucktard Count?

>>51714540
Would actually be a pretty good setting if it wasn't for the magic realm shoved in there

>>51715055

Dubs or not, you probably have a lot of issues if you think homofags getting lynched is enough for you to give a setting an A+

>>51715280
Someone post the story of a rogue hiding in a prostitute's asshole

Without the sex shit, its basically Redania from the Witcher 3

>>51715304

Only if this human kingdom served as an intentionally unsympathetic and despotic GM.

I don't know about you guys but I have no interest in a game where the GM tries to tell me racial prejudice and extermination are good things.

>>51715149
The law of first night was a real thing.

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I get everyone hating on the game, but why all the hate for roll20?
I use it because I'm a poor fag and I want to use digital battlemaps instead if minis. Also one of my players joins us remotely.
If there is some way better system I want to know about it

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>>51715149
>an empire
>where the ruler could do whatever he fucking wanted to
all of them

>>51715432
>racial prejudice and extermination
I think racial prejudice in a setting where half the other races are monsters is a bit different than irl racial prejudice.

>>51715461
Its debated. The concept exists but it was mostly used as Feudal age propaganda. "Don't go to work for that lord over there, he may pay more but he rapes your wives and daughters on their wedding night."

>>51715432
Then don't play.

I don't mind a setting that doesn't particularly align with my IRL values as long as it's run competently.

>Just close your eyes man
>just walk away from the computer

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>>51715536
>half the other races are monsters
>different from irl

>>51715538
Well in Feudal Europe maybe but in other cultures it was. Eg Hawaii had something similar where the chief would bed virgins all he wanted.
Although i am just going off Wiki so who knows really.

>>51715461
No.

>>51715551

It's not about the mere existence of racial prejudice on a game. I have no problem with settings where racism is acceptable.

I'm talking about games where the GM sincerely believes niggers should be thrown in camps and uses the game as a manifesto on why that's okay.

>>51715528
"you picked the wrong waifu motherfucker"

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>>51715602
droit du seigneur" bitch

>Noble has legal grounds for raping someone then sentencing them to death
>Elves get the death penalty on suspicion of committing a crime, A.K.A. a re-do of the Salem witch hunts.
>Death penalty for saying "no" to getting fucked by a noble.
>Realistic though overly harsh genocide of half-orcs and tieflings.
>Noble gets to rape any female for any reason at any time, including foreigners and diplomats, and can enact the death penalty to those who say no.
>Legally binding law that women need to marry before 20 instead of a social stigma.

>>51714781

It's a legit medieval *legend* at least for what that's worth. Might be interesting on its own (heck, any of these plot elements could be, if used right) but combined with everything else it just seems like a /pol/tard fantasy.

>>51715536
that is if you presume orcs n shiet are worse than darkies

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>51715523
Roll20's technology is fine. Hell, I'd even say it's pretty good, for what it is.

Roll20's community is fuckawful in every way.

>>51715523
Playing with strangers on roll20 has generated some horror stories here.
Some were probably true too.

>>51715679

Anywhere else you'd recommend if you're a hikikomori who wants to play /tg/ stuff online?

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>Including foreigners
This kingdom would get razed to the ground by neighboring kingdoms so fast that their decapitated heads will spin. It's generally bad form to rape diplomats then kill them.

>>51715354
It's actually not about homos, it's about those other "abnormal sexualities". I would like to play a game where those tumblrkin subhumans are dragged into the main square, and the the citizens have to participate in their execution by cutting off pieces of their flesh with a rusty knife. It's important that whoever cuts the final piece of flesh after which the subhuman dies shall also be killed on the spot to prolong the suffering as long as possible.

>>51715637
Oh it has a French name? It must be real then. Truly I have been BTFO.
>There is no evidence of the right being exercised in medieval Europe, and all known references to it are from later time periods
It's a myth you fucking mongoloid.

>>51715695
Get friends.
Introduce them to /traditional games/.
Set up a game on roll20 with your friends.

>>51715679
We'll yeah, that's why I'd never use if for playing with strangers, just with my close friends near or far.
The site is unintuitive as hell and retarded when it comes to importing images but it's got some cool functionality.

>>51715706
Wait. So the tranny is tortured and so is the normal dude forced into this situation?

>>51715637

It's all later references. It's probably fabricated shit by englightenment writers, like that Flat Earth bullshit in which if anything just some loonies believed during the middle ages (to the point that their "proof", Cosmas' writing, dindn't even EXIST in Europe at tha point. And no, no one in Byzantium believed it as well).

>>51715730
This would make people more vigilant.

>>51715758
This would make people avoid the torture ceremony and create dissidents who dislike the barbaric rules.

>>51715730
Only if he fucks up and kills the degenerate during his turn.

>>51715707
Shit nigga i didnt say it existed in medieval europe. History didn't start or end there.

>>51715706
I did a similar thing in a freeform RP setting I developed. Except it was "The second-last one to strike the fatal blow takes her place", and each injury was worse than the last.

>>51715758
Actually it would encourage laxity in reporting homos.

>>51715734
Mans like Herodotus must be lying even before the age of European enlightenment.

So, a setting where you have to get married or be imprisoned/killed, but as soon as you do you/your wife gets raped. Don't like the rape? Then you get killed. Literally do anything and you aren't human? Killed. Be a foreign merchant trying to trade goods, you can get raped then killed. A diplomat brings his wife to try to figure out why their female merchants aren't returning? The wife is raped and killed.

Dude, this GM is terrible. This isn't realistic, this is some guy with a /pol/ centric guro fetish trying to draw people into his magical realm.

If I had the time, I would join and play a female rogue who seduces and kills him and leads a revolution just to see the GM fly into an autistic rage

>>51715798
>History didn't start and end in medieval europe.
[citation needed]

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This is when you and the party attempt to start a revolution.
The down trodden, the oppressed, those sick of having their wives, sisters, loved ones abused and taken from them.

Basically no one would want to help the count (and a count is a small time noble anyway), at most they'd be too afraid to stand up.
Show them the way, brother. Show them the light at the end of the tunnel.

>>51714540
>dystopian kingdom with draconian laws and a sinister ruler
Like 99% of fantasy settings have one of these. Who cares?

>>51715823

Droit du Seignuer doesn't strike me as greek, anon. You were talking about medieval Europe, maybe the mediterrenean.

And no, you don't take Herodotus as a proof of anything. Since at least 1850.

>>51715963
Presumably they aren't supposed to be the antagonists.

>>51715991
Says who?

>>51715888
Anon, then it would just be "Your character is held in an inescapable, unlockable magic dungeon where they are raped because lols, and anything you do is godmoded into nothing.

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>>51715925
>Basically no one would want to help the count (and a count is a small time noble anyway)

I mean... The Alignment of the village is Lawful Evil... Am I missing something? It's not like GM is pretending these are in anyways honourable and moral views for a city to sound. They sound pretty fucking evil to me. Sounds like they're the fuckin bad guys, bro.

>>51716065
It's just that the GM didn't specify that these are the bad guys. People misconstrue and blow stuff out of proportion.

>>51716065
Murder raping people isn't lawful evil. Lawful is abusing the law to get away with stuff all Doctor Doom style.

This fucker just rapes your wife and says he's in charge, along with killing elves. That's Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil, far from Lawful Evil. A tyrant that's Chaotic Evil can proclaim laws, and all the laws will support their Chaotic Evil intentions.
If you were to ignore the law part and say that people in this country stab Elves on the street for being Elves, you'd call them out as Chaotic Evil. Them having laws to support it just means that the nation itself is Chaotic Evil.

Lawful Evil people will abuse every bit of the rules to their advantage while still espousing fairness. They only kill when it's in their benefit and they have justification to do so, stabbing someone for being an Elf is not a justification to kill someone even if the law says so. A lawful evil person would kill an opponent then say the law allowed them to do it however, but they wouldn't run around murdering elves every time they see them.

>>51716005
I was going off op's screeching autistic fury.

>>51715991
>>51716005
Not that anon, but the only reasons the setting is notable is if the oppression is acceptable or just for how poorly it is done. Either is possibly OP's point.

>>51716041
Then I'd make another character and do the same thing. Or find a different approach. If someone is this out front with their autism, they have some major baggage.

I've done it before with another Anon-GM on Roll20 who had made a fetishy weeb land RPG. With some patience (and a few burner accounts) anything is possible.

>>51716065
There is 'oh, it's an evil place' and 'Oh, this is a magical realm.'

We mock him because this is either a really poor attempt at MAKING a totalitarian state, so the GM is a shitty GM. Or he made it that way to fill some over the top evil desire for rape and murder, which makes him a shitty GM.

If he cut back on the murder and rape that the population just accepts for no good reason (Don't those soldiers he hires have wives, sisters, mothers, ect.? And why would any country send any diplomat into a country where they will most likely be murdered?) And focused on one aspect (controlling laws on sex, extreme xenophobia, extremely violent punishments) then it wouldn't be nearly as awful. But all together? Well, we are just going to mock him for being shitty.

>>51716180
They do when they make the law. Law of the land, these are second class citizens, I'm the Count, get fucked, because I'm the only person that matters. Maybe the laws are unjust, But there's still a fairly blatant (if absurdly strict) set of laws to follow, that, well, basically get you fucked. If anything, it's closer to the most fucked aspects of Sharia Law. The nation definitely isn't Chaotic Evil. Chaotic Evil is random, based on the whims. If the nation was Chaotic Evil, rules would change, probably weekly. If they're this consistant, it's definitely Lawful Evil. You could make a strong argument for the Count himself being Neutral Evil, but the society is still Lawful Evil, and most importantly for the setting, EVIL.

>>51716240
>that the population just accepts for no good reason (Don't those soldiers he hires have wives, sisters, mothers, ect.? And why would any country send any diplomat into a country where they will most likely be murdered?)
Ah, there it is.
I need more coffee.
I couldn't put my finger on why we suspected the GM didn't view Count Murderrape as the bad guy.

More likely, he's just turribell.

>>51716262
>Chaotic Evil is random, based on the whims. If the nation was Chaotic Evil, rules would change, probably weekly.
man do you even know how alignments work

>>51716262
>Any elf or half-elf caught committing a crime will be put to death regardless of what the law says.
>regardless of what the law says.
>somehow lawful evil

>>51716510
Yeah, it's a law that overrides other laws in a specific well defined circumstance.

>>51716262
>>51716533

Lawful doesn't mean Legal. Lawful means Order. There is no order here save for one individual with a hardon for murder and rape.

Plus, extending domestic laws to foreigners to be punishable by death
>Foreigners will engage in all festivities they are presented with and will not introduce customs from their own culture into the society. Failure to meet Agnarheim expectations will result in death.

Murdering women for who they give birth to (regardless of if it's rape)
>The mother who gives birth to such vile creatures will be burned at the stake.

Anything 'seditious' which has ALWAYS been a biased and populist measurement in real history
>spreading ill will of the count are all punishable by death

Is just the will of a select few people doing what they want with little order save for self interest.


As a side note, the fact that he is comparing it to ancient Akkadian epics and that system of government and somehow making that analogous to a Medieval world is awful.

>>51714540

>ITT over analyzing a setting with an obvious dystopia that is designed to be horrible.

I'm going to be honest, I would play the fuck out of a game wherein the DM has put THIS MUCH effort into the lore of the world. TLDR: quit yer bitchin

>>51714540
How do I know it's Pathfinder

>>51717243
Because Pathfinder is the most popular fantasy RPG? It's not a crazy guess.

>>51717243
It's 3.5e

>>51714540
>>51714540
The count fucks too much for his health, like, how many women marry each day? How big is the city the count controls?

>>51717725
>>51715280
You realize that in this scenario the sex is a privilege, not a necessity or literally a fucking obligation, right?
The count fucks only the hot young brides he wants to.

>>51717786
No, we need fuckbligations. The current king hates it but by law he must fuck all of the newly wed wives and choose a random woman to fuck once a month. He tasks the party with undoing the fuck laws before he fucks himself to death.
Better be quick because wedding season is coming up.

>>51714599
Roll 20 can be good

Just gotta wade through shit until you find some cool guys

>>51718134
Best plot ever

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>>51714649
> historically accurate

Bait so subtle you can never be sure you were baited at all.

>>51714540
>cuckoldry magical realm
>/pol/
Not sure if joke.

>>51717229

It's not a question of effort or thought. Or even of content.

The thing we're all tripping over is figuring out whether or not the GM condones this kindgom's behavior.

Basically, the question is: intentionally dark dystopian world, or sexist HFY power fantasy? Or both?

>>51718366
>Just gotta wade through shit until you find some cool guys
I wish everyone understood that this sentence is literally what life is all about.

>>51715706
Ow the edge.

The only way I'd play in this setting is if our party got to start as level 20 PCs, and the entire point of the campaign was "inflict justice."

An edgy revenge fantasy is really the only good outcome.

>>51718554
>The thing we're all tripping over is figuring out whether or not the GM condones this kindgom's behavior.

All the red pill /pol/ memes make it hard to tell

>>51715695
>internet connection
>chat program of choice
>mspaint and excel

>>51718554
Intent doesn't matter if it's shit either way.

>>51719744
And a dice roller i.e. google it

>>51714540
Thats pretty much EXACTLY how the people of that era behaved. The middle ages were an age of lunacy.

I get not wanting to take it to this extreme, but removing all traces of history or its origins from your game is doing the genre a disservice.

>>51714540
You people are COMPLETELY disconnected from reality. This is the way the Dark Ages actually WERE. This is what makes medieval settings so gritty and hardcore.

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>>51719862
>>51719893

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>>51719862
>>51719893

>>51719770

Agree here. Some people are gushing how this is well thought out but even as a dystopian state this setting is pretty generic and uninspired. Just bog standard human racism and genocide against non-humans but spiced up with 3edgy5me rape laws.

>>51720041
And /pol/ memes

>>51720041
>Some people are gushing how this is well thought out
I took that as "This may be retarded, but the GM put a lot of retarded thought into it. My GM doesn't put any effort into his retarded crap.

>>51716046
He's right you know? You can't play as barons in CK2 and count NPCs are next to useless, only serving to be subjugated/having their lands revoked by the dukes and kings.

>>51717725
If the count has only one county, then he doesn't have all that many people serving him desu senpai

>>51714689
Why did feudal peasants and serfs continue to live in their vilages during the Middle Ages?

>>51714781
Learn some history. See: William's 'Harrowing of The North, Edward's 'Hammering of The Scots' et al.

>>51715538
Nope. Peasants aka Serfs were effectively tied to their Lord's land up to the aftermath of the Black Death. Leaving without the Landowner's permission equalled a death sentence, which the lord of the neighbouring county would happily comply with as he generally wouldn't want any extra mouths to feed on his property. The majority of those peasants who DID flee their indentured service were outlaws, relying on poaching and banditry to survive. The Black Death gave us 'working hours' and to large extent 'workers' rights' of the like that hadn't been seen since the days of the Roman Republic when the plebs downed tools en masse.

>>51715707
Revisionist history does not = actual history you libtard.

>>51721818
It's actually called "droit de cuissage" and it's a meme. Some mentions by 1700s authors as a old custom but no trace in any recorded law before that. It got popularized by comedies like The Marriage of Figaro. Likely a mistranslation for an a taxe peasants had to pay to marry someone from another lord's land.

>>51722127
Just more revisionism. Now I know you ameritards don't actually have much history of your own, but in the UK there are actual documents going back to the middle ages that actually mention prima noctis in, for instance the Ashmolean Library in Oxford and the British Library and the National Archives in London. No matter how much 'modernist' historians want to pretend these things never happened.

>>51716684
>Murdering women for who they give birth to (regardless of if it's rape)

To be honest that one makes sense for a nation that kills those races on sight and probably, given the era, has some serious misconceptions of how pregnancy works.

>>51722164
You have any link for that ? Because I did a brief overview of the recorded sources on this side of the English Channel and we have nothing

>>51721807
That's not how it worked. The serfs had a contract to work their lieges lands, yes, and this contract was binding. But they were far from forbidden to leave under death penalty. The head of a household was indeed tied to his lands, usually the father, but his children were free to do as they please, including migrating away. Usually they wouldn't because the family could always use another hand on the fields, though it wasn't abnormal behavior for some to leave to a different fief upon coming of age, and specially after marriage. This was specially true for the second sons, third sons and so forth. It was heavily implied that the oldest male would inherit his father's plot of land and command of the house. Migrating gave a newly weds the chance to be offered a plot of their own in someone else's land.

What was forbidden was to leave your plot of land unattended, which was treated as deserting, and usually dealt with flogging and bringing the peasant back, at least in northern France. (Eastern europe had more tyrannical laws regarding peasants). Also when the patriarch of the family died, it was usual that the son had to pay a tax to the liege lord. Usually the only way to do that was to work the father's plot of land, so that was a hook to ensuring upon the death of the patriarch, the rest of his family wouldn't desert the lord.

>>51715925
Count is the highest non-royal family title one can hold.

Above Count you only have Duke, and then Prince. Historically, those were usually held by kings and their immediate families or consorts.

>>51722164
British historiography is known for its ridiculous biases that skewed historical vision of Europe immensely. Concept of Dark Ages, Black Legend etc etc, you were always better in spreading propaganda than knowledge.

>>51722164
>there are actual documents going back to the middle ages that actually mention prima noctis
Name one that isn't a work of fiction. Just one.

>>51722281
Hahahah, yeah, right.

>>51722302
ITT Poster is too retarded to have ever heard of the Domesday Book.

It feels like this site got more retarded after altright in reddit got closed.

>>51722233
I'm not here to do your homework for you. All three have their own websites and catalogues.

>>51722341
Yup.

>>51722320
>Ahaha Gayreeks were all gay haha amrite lads???
>t.closed faggot victorian historians

Im talking about history though, im not diminishing british achievements in other fields. Im simply butthurt with the amount of dumb historical myths and false notions deeply ingrained in our culture now that were forged by a bunch of smelly victorian poofsters.

>>51722255
No. The contracts AND freedom of movement really only started AFTER the black death had wiped out more than a third of Europe's population. Prior to that Serfs had neither. They were born allegedly free, but were in fact nothing more than indentured servants, they worked for the lord, they 'tithed' forr the Church, and what meagre time they had to themselves they were allowed to work on their 'own' plot of land, which was still owned by their liege.

>>51722366
'smelly victorian poofsters' Oh Christ, It's half term, isn't it?

>>51714540
>Count must have sex every women when they marry
>All women must be married by 20 or they're given to the inquisition for witchcraft
>Aka I fuck everyone
>Also I can fuck everyone anytime I want too haha such smart laws right guys

Yes, this is magical realm at it's finest.

>>51722327
The Domesday book is an inventory of the Kingdom and it never mentions Prima Noctis.

T. I read the damn thing

>>51722343
I'll just assume it's another exemple of rosbif degeneracy

>>51722395
>and what meagre time they had to themselves they were allowed to work on their 'own' plot of land
Ah yes they spent all their time working in the fields for others and because of this they were so poor.

That's why they had 50 fucking holidays every year. If the peasantry had so little time to work their own fields, they wouldn't have so many holidays.

>>51715792
You do realise that would just make people avoid the barbaric torture, be angry about it, don't report people that would be tortured or just kill them during the capture for the guards.

>>51720451
>>51715925
Count's were in the top 5% of Nobels, maybe even the top 2%. That's hardly what you call smalltime. Take for example the counts of Habsburg, you might know them as the Habsburg dynasty that ruled over the HRE, Austria, Spain, half of Italy and half the new world. They started as 'lowly' counts.

>>51722627
They STARTED, they just backstad/mary/fuck their way into power. And Anyway, only Charles V rules over all this territory, and he was barely managing to hold it, that's why he divide his empire between his children ( that and getting BTFO by François I/Francis I)

>>51720451
>He's right you know?
Maybe, maybe not.

But assuming feudal lords were slavishly devoted to systemic hiarchy is as silly as assuming peasants would rise up under the banner of "Fuck the lord!".
As shown in the painstakingly accurate historical piece by Sam Clemmons, asshole peasants will eat their lord's shit as long as they figure it's gotta be better than other lords' shit.

>>51722665
>( that and getting BTFO by François I/Francis I)
The three wars Charles fought against Francois he won two and the third was a stalemate. Also he did not divide the Empire between his Children, he divided it between his son and his Brother. Both Habsburgs by the way so I have no clue how that is relevant to what I said.

>>51722395
Medieval taxes were roughly equivalent of 30% of the production of your lands. 10% to the church, and around a fifth to your lord (so 20%). Unless there was a drought or a plague of vermin, peasants wouldn't starve. They would even have excess food to trade for basic goods, tools, shoes, etc.

Dont fall for the Dak Age memeing.

>>51722712
Because being from the same familly dosnt' mean you gonna share all your interest ? That's exactly what happen times latter after the death of Louis XIV, Spain and France where ruler where related, dosn't mean their familly was some sort of hivemind.

He won the first war but get BTFO when François just get home, say "What treaty ? I didn't sign any treaty.". He manage to win the second, lost the third and his alliance with England against France end in a stalemate.

>>51722788
>t BTFO when François just get home, say "What treaty ?

"The final terms largely mirrored those of the Treaty of Madrid three years earlier; Francis surrendered his rights to Artois, Flanders, and Tournai, and was obliged to pay a ransom of two million golden écus before his sons were to be released." Truly BTFO in the largest of ways

I still don't see how any of this is relevant to my primary point that counts can rise to high places and are not small nobles.

>>51718366
Aye, I recently started a game there and a that guy managed to get into the game.

He didn't do anything bad during the first session, but during the out of game discussions, he always seemed to want to piss people off as fast as he could. Every couple of days I had to basically to shut him down completely before he caused someone (me included) to completely flip out. Eventually when I had a talk with him, his defense was that IRL I'd know that he's joking and that it's because of his "tragic childhood" (paraphrasing here), he also made no attempt to change this attitude or apologize in any way basically telling me to "deal with it".

Needless to say he did not stay in the group after that talk.

>>51722850
The point is that when they get really powerfull, they are not count anymore. They have the potential to rise, but as many noble familly can with time. Even not that noble, look at the Medicis.

>"The final terms largely mirrored those of the Treaty of Madrid three years earlier; Francis surrendered his rights to Artois, Flanders, and Tournai, and was obliged to pay a ransom of two million golden écus before his sons were to be released." Truly BTFO in the largest of ways

Indeed, being drag into a three year long war and loosing a fuck ton of money to apply a treaty you made a guy sign years ago is a crushing victory.

>>51714637
PURGE DEGENRATES

>>51714832
How did Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia maintain an active alliance for several years where they exchanged technology and natural resources (including the russians having u-boat bases within their borders which was a total violation of their supposed neutrality) despite the two nations governments being totally ideologically opposed? A nazi in russia would get blammed as quickly as a commie in germany, yet the two governments were briefly allied. Politics is a very strange thing.

>>51722910
But that what for a relativly short period of time, and they were planning to backstab each other anyway. It's seems that this Empire was having long term peacefull relation with the other country.

>>51715706
Wouldn't a much worse punishment be to just let them keep on living as they do now?

>>51722882
>Indeed, being drag into a three year long war and loosing a fuck ton of money to apply a treaty you made a guy sign years ago is a crushing victory.

The other side of the coin is that Francis started a war costing him huge amounts of cash, lost a war losing him even more. Acting like a sore loser dragging his country back into war and being blown the fuck out again costing him even more money.

>The point is that when they get really powerfull, they are not count anymore. They have the potential to rise, but as many noble familly can with time. Even not that noble, look at the Medicis.

No if you control half the world you are not a count anymore. My point is that some counts are way more powerfull than some dukes, there is no strict Hierarchy in the feudal system it's all social relationships. Take count Enguerrand of Coucy for example. He was one of the most trusted advisors of the king and received offices making him stinking rich and more powerfull than a lot of his contemporary dukes were.

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Louis Veuillot said it best, “Nothing, absolutely nothing, in the archives of Justice authorizes us to say that our forefathers ever made a crime into a law."
As an institutionalized custom or law, it seems be a myth, but that doesn't mean it never happened.

In Europe during the middle ages in many societies, peasants were required to get permission from their lord to marry. This was called the culagium. This often involved payment of a fee to be granted such permission Besides an extra source of revenue, another purpose of the culagium was the nobles safeguarding their investment by making sure they didn’t lose their valuable serfs to a neighboring lord for nothing.
Perhaps, jus primae noctis in some cases may have functioned as a tax due when a serf’s daughter married a man not on the lord’s estate. By requiring the tax, it also made it easier to track such movements in populace, as well as perhaps deny it when prudent.
But that's just a possibility without evidence. If only more serfs hadn't been too embarrassed to save their diaries, we might know the truth for certain.

In the end, let’s face it, life was brutal for peasants, and especially peasant women, in this era. When they weren’t being wiped out by some pandemic, humiliation and subjugation were just accepted facts of life for those born into the lower social orders. Jus primae noctis or not, female serfs were at the mercy of their lords (and others), who really didn’t need an excuse, a law, or a wedding to rape or assault the serfs inhabiting their land.

Yes, this post is partially pasta from the first, but not only, search result I read through.
It seems that most historical references to it are somewhat suspect.
But Europeans citing that absence of evidence is evidence of absence, so their ancestral lords did nothing wrong, earns my scoffing laughter.

>>51722341
It's almost like shutting down places like that achieves literally nothing except spread the misery. Thanks reddit administrators.

>>51715888
Gotta admit, the whole rape stuff didn't strike me as arousing til after you mentioned the guro part.

>>51722878
>I had a talk with him, his defense was that IRL I'd know that he's joking and that it's because of his "tragic childhood" (paraphrasing here), he also made no attempt to change this attitude or apologize in any way basically telling me to "deal with it".
I knew a guy like that.
He was basically "Can't handle the bantz?" in real life.
I told the story a while back.
Apparently, I'm one of the only (heterosexual) guys to ever "win" Gay Chicken.

>>51722989
The only problem with primae noctis is that it would have been a logistical nightmare due to people would just marry in secret or the groom arranging the noble a 'welcoming' party (I.E. the grooms relatives and bros). Not to mention that the resulting child can and will be used a successor against you.

>>51716180

if you can set the laws, then a lawful evil person has a much wider range of behavior.

Its a mistake to think LE is even 0.000000000001% nicer than CE. Probably the most iconic LE god/archdevil, Asmodeus, legitimately wants to torture everyone, forever.

>>51722960
>No if you control half the world you are not a count anymore. My point is that some counts are way more powerfull than some dukes, there is no strict Hierarchy in the feudal system it's all social relationships. Take count Enguerrand of Coucy for example. He was one of the most trusted advisors of the king and received offices making him stinking rich and more powerfull than a lot of his contemporary dukes were.

Agreed, but they were exception, Dukes where notably powerfull, some more than other, but still, they where overall powerful individual. For example being Duke of Lorraine was a powerfull position, and he was far from being the most powerfull Dukes of Europe.

>The other side of the coin is that Francis started a war costing him huge amounts of cash, lost a war losing him even more. Acting like a sore loser dragging his country back into war and being blown the fuck out again costing him even more money.

But that's criple Charles in his ambition of domination of Europe, you get to remember that at his point France is litteraly surrounded ( less so after the alliance with Soliman I admit). Charles and François (and latter Henri II) where basicly cock-blocking each other constantly. And from what whe know where seing each other as a nemesis/rival/arch-enemy. If I remember well, Charles even launch provocation in duel to François.

>>51723065
>The only problem with primae noctis is the logistics
Damn the logistics! We have fuckbligations to honor!

Yeah, no. As an institutionalized custom, it's hard to enforce.
As an occasional display of male power and hottie-tapping, it could've been done.

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>>51722910
>communism and socialism
>totally opposed

okay I guess I'm not being fair

>relatively jingoistic, pragmatic communism that is not true communism and that killed a lot of jews, which has never been tried before, and german national worker's socialism, and that killed a lot of jews
>opposed

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>>51723067
>Its a mistake to think LE is even 0.000000000001% nicer than CE.
This.

LE isn't nicer, just easier to fool yourself into thinking you're in control over.
Pic related made muffins from 100% organic baby uvulas. Gluten-free.

>>51723136
I gotta watch this show sometime

>>51723684
It's a good show bearing in mind that they meticulously research mythology and real world facts about as accurately or rigorously as The Real Ghostbusters cartoon.

>>51715706
You sound exactly like the kind of people who make games like Bellum Maga, just on the opposite side of the spectrum.

>*I'd like to make a note that I nor does the community of Fallen Empire's approve of Agnarheim's laws. In fact, it was designed to be akin and reference to lawful evil versions of historically tyrannical medieval kingdoms and to the legend of Gilgamesh. I do not EVER condone the acts conducted in this SINGLE nation.

do you people even fucking read

>>51725319
He added that after I responded to his join request.

He's trying to save face.

>>51725319
>do you people even fucking read
I read posts.
I don't go offsite to read badly written setting details on some crappy website, no.

>>51725781
>He's trying to save face.
He's got a lot more work to do then.
Unless, like I said, it's not to be taken seriously.

>>51725901
He legit thinks this is a good setting for stuff.

We've not even mentioned his rewrite of classes which combines Fighters and Barbarians to make a class with increases in AC and DR and with d12 hit die. Along with getting a billion feats.

There's still a barbarian class just FYI.

>>51725960

>We've not even mentioned his rewrite of classes which combines Fighters and Barbarians to make a class with increases in AC and DR and with d12 hit die. Along with getting a billion feats.

I guess that's one way to combat caster supremacy.

>>51714689
Not having the resources to move elsewhere, for one.

>>51714540
Sounds like he's just trying to sneak in his fetishes. The only answer is to capture the lord and f*** all his women in front of him- wives, sisters, mother, daughters, etc. and then do the same to the DM.

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Am I the only one who's getting really bored with /pol/tards?

It was funny for a while, then it was a little annoying that we couldn't have a thread about fantasy countries without them spamming infographs about IQ disparities, but lately the bait threads they're putting out just aren't as juicy as they used to be.

Or maybe it's just oversaturation, I don't know.

Google says this is a picture of a pretty girl.

>>51727226
>Am I the only one who's getting really bored with /pol/tards?
No.

>It was funny
Also no.

>>51715651
AFAIK nobody actually did it. It's the one surefire way to piss of even the most loyal servant. No, it was always your _enemies_ doing this sick, twisted, perverted thing. Because our enemies are sick perverts who need to be purged, amirite?

>>51727226
You're not alone. From my angle, at first it was nice to see some pushback against the relentlessly SJW shit that, say, WotC has been pushing lately. But the novelty was lost pretty quickly and it fairly freely joins up with miscellaneous edgeshit. It's like if the grimderp fringe of 40kfags decided to go visit half the non-GW threads on /tg/: I don't give a shit about what you're saying, I never really gave a shit about your garbage of choice, and you're not even pretending to be relevant or germane anymore.

I want /pol/ to go home. If I ever feel like I need them it's not like I don't know where to visit.

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God damn it people how come when I look for a horror story to walk into on Roll20, I end up finding an average game run by a weird but well-meaning GM and two players who flake on game 2, but when /tg/ tries to join a game they get the good stories?

>>51714540
it isn't a bad setting, it's very fleshed out, you just don't like it.

>>51719551
well I mean the town is supposed to be lawful evil so one assumes the players are there to set things straight.

>>51714637
what's wrong with racism in D&D?

>>51727226
this doesn't even have to do with pol though?

>>51717786
Alright, so we get a hot chick, parade her around a little, and get the king's attention. Then when he declares that he's gonna fuck her, we hide a snake in her vagina before they do the deed. He thinks he's getting some, but then BOOM! Cobra to the dick!

>>51727926
Nah man, you get a level 11 Rogue to jump out of her ass and kill him

>>51727976
But I already bought the cobra and everything. C'mon man, I've been planning this for a while!

>nu-/tg/ getting triggered and begin the moral posturing because the bad guys of the setting are... bad guys...

>>51727767
Racism can be a fun little mechanic to spice up an encounter or a town, but when the central theme is "Everyone is racist/sexist, unless you're a straight white male" It really limits roleplaying when you're punished heavily for playing something different.

>>51727767
>Some folks are racist, they probably aren't nice but might be otherwise decent people
Cool.
>Racial prejudice is a big thing in the setting, and it can get kind of intense.
Cool by me. No reason people should be better to each other when they're even more different. I mean, I'd prefer my A-plots more like Indiana Jones, Conan, Black Company, or so on but handling riots in the halfling ghetto could be a breath of fresh air.
>Main game setting will be a racist, weirdly sexually-hung-up, witch-burning police state
Am I sure I want this game? I don't think I'm sure. It sounds like things could go south REAL fast.
>Also /pol/ memes
Get out. Or I will. Either way works.

The edge is bad enough, but I draw the line at memes in anything that wants to pretend to be serious.

>>51727168

>f***

Are you a Mormon or something?

>>51727708
Contemplate how many times these things actually happened.

Once you think about that, you might find yourself playing in one of these games.

>>51728374
>Are you a Mormon or something?
Possibly a phone poster.
My phone does that when I use the voice capture.
But I go back and spell out my profanity.
It's just common decency.

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>>51727926
>Alright, so we get a hot chick, parade her around a little, and get the king's attention. Then when he declares that he's gonna fuck her, we hide a snake in her vagina before they do the deed. He thinks he's getting some, but then BOOM! Cobra to the dick!