>ONE PRIMARCH TURNS TRAITOR >ONE PRIMARCH RETURNS TO THE

>>51706387
Lionel Johnson "turns". Actually his true loyalties just come to light.

Alpharius was the good guy all along.

>>51706387
Russ turns traitor

>>51706387
Corax Traitor because he's an emo git no one cares about.
Alpharius loyalist because not a daemon.

>>51706387
Magnus turns good, Lionel Johnson was a traitor all along.

>>51706387
An astronomical asspull that out does bethesdas "Warp in the west" Bullshit in oblivion which to this day still holds the largest asspull in history.

>>51706426
Also i really hope they dont turn that shitty meme into reality. Because yeah its good for a giggle, but its already been established that Lion is loyal. I would not be against them saying the inner circle is tainted because most of them suck any way.

>>51706652
>Also i really hope they dont turn that shitty meme into reality. Because yeah its good for a giggle, but its already been established that Lion is loyal.

>After 10,000 years of Alpha Legion traitor fuckery it turns out THEY WERE LOYAL ALL ALONG LOL!
>After 10,000 years of the Dark Angels defending the Imperium (and the Lion being asleep and doing nothing) it turns out THEY WERE SECRETLY TRAITORS ALL ALONG!

No. I'm sure GW could write in some stupid shit to warp and twist the history and narrative of both legions so that it'd work, but like others have said it would be a huge asspull.

Reminds me of the shit they pulled in WHFB with the Phoenix Kings (who in past lore defended Ulthuan and were generally just and fair to their people), but in reality Malekith was the real Phoenix King all along and the dozen that came after he failed the test were all just cheaters.

Magnus turning loyal would be such an asspull.

He's a daemon prince. Anyone who becomes a daemon prince is a slave who could be destroyed by their god's will.

I guess you could do the "I was only pretending to be retarded!" Alpharius or Pertubo sitting in his giant black fortress realizing " hmmm maybe I was the one who was autistic"

But then again, how could anyone involved in 10,000 years of shit and slaughter suddenly see the light?

Its easier to see a loyalist primarch turn traitor due to the fuckerey of the warp or because they do it for a greater good. Maybe Russ cause he's been in the warp for too long, Corax suddenly went full retard, Khan's been consumed in his quest through the webway, Vulkan wants to save humankind from within... etc. I really cant see Dorn or girlyman doing it.

Or maybe they bring a dead primarch back. Fabius 'Plot Device' Bile manages to clone someone and it goes wrong or right.

>>51706814
Yeah but Magnus is the only plausible one. He never wanted to go against his father hell he loved him probably the most but got played like a fool so.

>>51706814
I'd say most likely loyalist is Alpharius because the alpha legion's whole thing was autonomy, so if he was MIA for years they could use that as an excuse for why he's loyal despite all the shit the Alpha legion pulled.
Still an asspull, of course.

>>51706426
>>51706531
Alpharius is dead

>>51706873
No citation sorry but becuase you have no source wiki must edit this :)

>>51706873
No I'm not.

>>51706714
A Primarch != a whole chapter

>>51706387
Seen this posted several times now. There hasnt been proof provided yet. So why do you keep posting this meme?

>>51706848
I'm just gonna copy and paste my response from last thread. Anyone who's read the recent TSons lore knows your idea is retarded.

>Once, this greatest of magi poured every iota of his being into the furtherance of the Emperor’s goals. Now he seeks the total destruction of the Imperium. For long millennia this towering colossus has plotted the downfall of the race that cast him out as a traitor and persecuted him unto the threshold of death.

>In many ways Magnus fell furthest of all from the Emperor’s grace.

>The final defeat of the Space Wolves will be the jewel in the crown of a far-greater work – one in which the Imperium itself is tipped screaming into a sea of anarchy from which there can be no escape

>>51706599
Magnus and his Dust marines are not going to fit in real well with the grimdark cults of the 41st millenia

>>51707251
I remember reading somewhere that the TSons basically found a way to do small scale reversals of the Rubric.

>>51707279
I'm sure gw can force it to work if they really want to do so. Still is Magnus just going to forgive Russ and visa versa? Seems like a stretch

>>51706814
I think Omegon coming back would be the most likely. Hell, he could probably come back as someone else, which would let people "accept" him without the hassle of fucking traitor.

>>51706714
>Malekith was the real Phoenix King all along

No, he only became Phoenix King when he passed through the Flames fully.

>the dozen that came after he failed the test were all just cheaters.

That was always the case, they protected themselves from the flames with magic unlike Aenarion.

>>51706873
But Omegon became Alpharius when Alpharius died.

>>51706387
Magnus heals his legion and returns to the fold
Russ goes traitor

>>51707279

Well its true one of the new Eldar have the power to reverse the rubric's curse even if only temporarily...

But everyone got turned into a rubric marine AFTER the heresy and AFTER the siege of Terra. There are no loyalist thousand sons left.

I guess you could say Ahriman has nobler goals than other traitors, but breaking into the black library doesnt sound like it would be a good thing for anyone.

>>51706387
>Codex Astartes stipulates 1000 marines max plus support staff
>Pic clearly shows 100 marines, 5 command, 1 chaplain, 1 captain and 2 dreads
>not including techmarines, fleet, librarian, apothecarium etc....

How many support marines can a chapter have until someone gets a bit suspicious about being codex astartes?

>>51707708
>There are no loyalist thousand sons left.
The Imperium were gifted a chapter of them after one of their splinter cults came back

>>51707728
Considering that support marines are specialists, making it unlikely unlikely for a chapter to ever have many of those, a chapter with like a hundred techmarines would be looked upon as fucking exeptional. I think.
>Librarians are psykers who manage to not only become marines, but also pass the How To Not Explode Into Daemons 101 course, making them really rare
>Techmarines must be decent enough at tech to study and be augumented on Mars
>Chaplains had to be recognized by Ecclesiarchy despite rejecting the idea that Emporer's a god
Okay, I'm not actually sure if there's much to stop a chapter from having a truckload of chaplains, save for the limited number of skull helmets and rosarii.

>>51707728
>Codex Astartes stipulates 1000 FIGHTING marines max plus support staf
Ftfy.
And it depends. The Exorcists have a high attrition rate for Scout>Battle Brother so they have 12 Companies (10-12 being Scouts)
The 1000 also doesn't count for Crusades either. Or Marines on loan to the Deathwatch.

>How many support marines can a chapter have until someone gets a bit suspicious about being codex astartes?
10 base, 2 more for scouts, 1+ for each crusades, then recruit a shit ton of Psykers, Chaplains, Techmarines, as they're support. 1 to the Deathwatch

15-16 or 1500-1600 before you look fishy.

>Depending on your relationships to the Inquisition, AdMech, Highlords, and/or the Church.

It's more fluffed that the process / geneseeds / attrition would be limiting them before a chapter approaches that size.

Greatest asspull of GW

when Ferrus Manus comes back as the void dragon

>>51707728

1000 normal base marines

As others have stated, specialist roles are rather limited. Techmarines and Chaplains require training and approval from non astartes organizations. You are limited for librarians from the number of psyker candidates are available. Theres also a limit to how many people you could have in a command squad. I guess you could have alot of apothecaries, and you could loan out a company of marines to the death watch and then raise a new company from scratch but it seems giving even a single marine at any one time is a huge deal.

A fleet based chapter would probably have alot more tech marines but most of the work would still be done by human chapter serfs.

The biggest limitation would be the geneseed process would take a long time to significantly grow hundreds of new marines at any one time. Although technically I guess if you went off the grid for a while, no one would know. And no ones really checking to see if a chapter is active or not. Look at the Space Sharks, they could have 100 marines or 10,000 and no one could know the difference since theyre all the way out in the edges of the galaxy.

Although I guess you'd then have to ask how many hundreds of years it would take a chapter to regrow from a very huge loss. You think important first founders like the ultras spend 500 years to rebuild their numbers after the battle of macragge? The blood angels and fists had to beg their successors to rebuild, although you have to wonder if the divergent geneseed make them a completely different chapter after.

Anyways im just babbling right now, the bigger thing is that GW wrote themselves into a corner with 1000 marines, when even 100,000 marines is a tiny ass number to use for a galaxy at total war and where millions of people fight and die every day. Just dont think about it too much.

>>51707569
And Alpharius died a second time in IA.

Alpharius died twice.

>>51706873
The old Alpharius died. Long live the new Alpharius!

>>51709846

> Alpharius died in IA
> The engagement that is not on any official records
> The engagement that even the Ultramarines deny occurring
> The one where the Alpha Legion act massively out-of-character
> Repeatedly
> Guilliman fought a dude in shiny armour, with no psychic aura or death-scream
> The Alpha Legion didn't even notice 'Alpharius' dying
> Entire engagement is otherwise a crushing loss at worst, for the Ultramarines

It either didn't happen, or it wasn't Alpharius.

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>>51709846
>And Alpharius died a second time in IA.

Said a report from a known Alpha Legion plant that the Ultramarines said they had record of.

>>51708030
Wasn't there a rumor going around that Manus ended up with the Legion of the Damned as a "silver handed giant among the black clad revanents" or something like that?

>>51706873
Alpharius lives in death!

can't kill the messiah

>>51711587
Hail Hydra!

>>51708030
>>51711379
Ferrus was killed by Fulgrim, though Fulgrim keeps cloning Ferrus in an effort to convince the clones to turn Traitor. It always fails, so he always has to put the Clone down.

The silver-hands are not genetic, so the clones do not have them.

That being said, if any Traitor Primarch did go loyal, I'd like it to be Angron. Motherfucker has been a Slave all his life. It'd be nice to see him break the Chains that bind him, even if it kills him.

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>>51706387

Horus was loyal all along and he and the Emperor staged the great Heresy for Reasons.

Grey Knights were really chaotic eldar all along.

>your reaction when it's two of the unknown Primarchs, making GW change literally nothing

>>51707944

Most chapters had more chaplains until the skull mines of sirius dried up.

>>51706387
Wolfwolf wolf their way into heresy, because they're fucking khornate heretics already.

Iron Warriors get a pat on the head from papa and with no Dorn, they fill the void they were always meant to fill

>>51706387
>"I, Cato Sicarius...."

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>>51712308
Mfw

>>51711892
I'm reminded of a bit of writefaggotry I saw a while back about Logar and Angron's conversation immediately after the latter's accent to daemonhood. For a brief few moments after the transition, with the effects of the Nails wiped away but Khorne's wrath yet to fill him, he knew peace.
>"This... Is this happiness, brother?"

>>51706873
Long live Alpharius

>>51706387
Russ turns traitor.
Magnus turns loyalist.

POTTERY

Fulgrim is going to break out. No idea about which loyalist is going to fall.

>>51712308
>your reaction when Alpharius (who was loyal) turns traitor and Omegron (who was a traitor) turns loyalist.
>your reaction when no one can tell them apart anyway.

>>51717655

Guilliman

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>NATFKA's latest rumour is
>You won't believe this
>I've heard it from a couple of people
>About 8th edition of 40K
>Which will have a new name

>Age of the Emperor


So, what's a good rumour site, /tg/? Because apparently the one I use is either run by a charlatan or a retard

>>51714022

I came here to post this.

>>51717744

Bolter & Chainsword rumors section

>>51707728
between support, command staff, vehicle crews and officers for their fleet you could be looking at as many as 1500 brothers easily.

Lion'el Johnson is the only one that makes any sense, because a traitor primarch has to pose a threat to the Imperium on a massive scale. The Dark Angels are still at Legion strength. No other singular chapter can match the fully combined wrath of the Dark Angels in martial strength. Only the sons of Ultramar can be their equal.

Besides, the other candidates don't make sense.

-Guilliman-is-really-Alpharius is buttclenchingly retarded and would wreck havoc on GW's sales, amongst other things
-Guilliman turning "traitor" in forming another Imperium Secundus would make sense, but Guilliman made a promise to see the Emperor with Cypher
-Corax is either just purging in the warp, possibly alongside Leman Russ, or the warp tides carried him to the hunter predation fleet which he exiled where he has since fought alongside for 10k years
-Russ is partying in the warp with his fellow wolfbros
-Vulkan is basically waiting for his sons to find him on his own personally forged Starkiller Base
-Ferrus Manus is the spectral unliving primarch of the corporeal Legion of the Damned, starring as the Headless Horseman

>>51707559
that be ame the case in End Times bullshittery.

before that the phoenix kings were rightfully elected and passed through the flames.

Lion goes traitor

Alpharius goes loyal

>>51719421

Alpharius is dead
More than likely Omegon goes loyal after learning the truth about Alpharius unless there is a loyalist clone of Horus

>>51719406
No. They always had mages shield them.
They were elected, but Asuryan never gave a shit about elections. No one elected Aenarion.

>>51717744
Honestly i don't even bother with rumour sites, just use /tg/. Anything posted elsewhere gets mentioned here fairly quickly and collectively we manage to filter much of the bullshit.

>>51719206

you forgot the Khan.
everyone forgets the Khan.

I think the best pairing, thematically, would be Magnus and Russ. Their rivalry was perhaps the greatest of the Primarchs and if one switched sides it would be quite appropriate for the other to do the same.

However, Magnus is so far gone that him becoming a loyalist is highly unlikely. This is disappointing, given that there are some very good reasons for Russ to turn (long term warp exposure, mutating into Wulfen, the loss of Fenris).

>>51720189
I really don't see any of the deamon primarchs turning loyal, they're to far gone.
Which really just leaves Alpharius and/or Omegon for turning loyal. They could do something interesting with only 1 twin becoming loyal (or revealing that they always were) and the traitors or secrets loyalists thing of the alpha legion.

Russ or Corax are the most likely candiates for turning traitor since they've both dissappeared into the Eye, Russ is more likely though IMO.

>>51720189
>the loss of Fenris
Fenris wasn't cadia'ed, Fenris fully recovered after Magnus attack

>>51720376
>I really don't see any of the deamon primarchs turning loyal, they're to far gone.
Cure returns and becomes loyal, AVE DOMINUS NOX!
>Russ or Corax are the most likely candiates for turning traitor since they've both dissappeared into the Eye, Russ is more likely though IMO.
Russ is Phil Kelly favourite chapter primarch, believing him falling to chaos is like assuming eldar will get a shit codex next edition.

If any primarch would turn traitor I would bet on the Khan going rouge

>Girlyman attempts to seize control of the Imperium and fix this shit
>Pisses off the church and high lords
>They tell him to GTFO, as they don't want to lose their power
>Girlyman betrays the Imperium (turning traitor) to start his own empire

>No, there is no blackjack and there are no hooked.

>>51720444
>hookers

Fuck you auto correct and fuck you phone.

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>>51720444
>>No, there is no blackjack and there are no hookers.
Guilliman has new master to serve instead of corpse god.

>>51719499
according to the end times material.

You're all forgetting Magnus's shards. At least one was loyal enough to get Khan to go loyal, and one got bound into another dude and morphed into Janus, one Grey Knights founder.

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>>51720444
>No blackjack and no hookers
YOU CALL THIS SHIT AN EMPIRE GIRLYMAN?

Gork is Mork, while Mork was actually Gork all along.

What a twist!

>>51706387
Guilliman turns traitor, Lorgar can't stand being on the same side as him and turns loyalist.

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>>51720714

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>>51720722

Lorgar then gets to happily chill with his Cult of the Emporer buddies. It all makes sense!

>>51707279
They dont need to reverse that shit, there is an entire chapter with fresh TS geneseed in the Imperium already.

>>51707708
The Iyvraine reversed time and got a squad back in flesh and bone before they got killed. However that brings us back to the first of problems, the fucking flesh change.

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>>51707806
>after one of their splinter cults came back
you mean the entire fucking fleet that Magnus sent away? and that now happen to be fucking kleptomaniacs?

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>>51721445
They were gifts, anon.
Magnus got them as an apology for being a deadbeat prinarch.

>>51706387
Traitor: Lion
Redeemed: Magnus

>>51719454
>Loyalist clone of Horus
>restores Lunar Wolves
>Russ and Space Wolves go traitor
>Now Lunar Wolves are the wolf wolfing wolfington chapter
It all makes sense

>>51706387
not much an asspull
turning traitor doesn't have to mean joining chaos - it simple could mean rogue or renegade

My guess is Lion turns renegade
Alpharius joins Emprah

>Alpharius
>Lionel

The most likely candidates are Khan and Perturabo though. Alpharius and his legion are too far gone, so is Lionel.

>>51721950
Not Perturbo, he's gone full deamon prince.
Only way he's leaving chaos is death.

>>51720382
Well, I don't think it's fully recovered yet but it sure isn't dead and gone.

>>51721950
Why Khan though?
Why not Russ?

>>51721950
Perty's an autist who hates his dad and fucking loves chaos. He's one of the most dedicated to chaos, second only to lorgar. Magnus, or alpharius/omegon, or fucking mortarion are more likely to change sides than Perturabo; Pert despises tyrants and everything they stand for, and switched sides the instant he discovered that he *could* switch sides.

>>51707251
Then all-psyker legion mode. Or just use Blood Raven geneseed.

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>people think Magnus, the daemon prince, is gonna come back to the fold

>>51706387

Alpharius is a good guy.

Or Night Haunter isn't actually dead since the Nightlords only ever paid lip service so it'd 'make sense' for them to come back. He's also not been confirmed to be dead since the vid of him being killed was cut short. Also I don't remember him actually being a daemon prince.

>>51706714

>protecting the Imperium

Dark Angels were always ultra dickish. They purged entire planets if they showed chaos corruption in the slightest and have specifically targeted their 'remnant' factions like monsters despite the Fallen and Cipher being pro-imperium/anti-chaos in general because they know their deep dark secret.

Im betting Lion was chaos corrupted and the captain who was MEANT to be chaos corrupted beat him.

Alpharius meme is overused here and underused by GW, probably they'll never give AL any relevance. They are just a sort of cell insurgents to blame for fostering traitor uprisings like in the Macharian Heresy and just all.

>>51722130
Russ returning and converted would imply giving even more relevance to the SW in the setting, which is quite a lot by now.
Just imagine the tons of pages GW would write about wolves lamenting and crying by his loved Primarch blah blah

They don't deserve to have so much attention

>>51706387
Recently awaken from stasis primarch of Ultramarines will turn traitor, right after assuming control over Imperium.

>>51722538
>Slaanesh is kill in 40k
>GW replaces xer with the wolf god, gold of wolves and wolfkind
>chaos wolves new skaven

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>>51706714
>>51707559
>>51719406
>>51719499
>>51720653

>>51707728
>What do you mean a "support tactical company"?
>That's just another entire company!

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>>51722601
And to show that Aenerion entered the flame differently.

This is all from the 4th edition army book, released 1993, a full 21 years before the end times.

>>51722576
Holy Shit
>age of sigmar has nurgle and added the horned rat. Both represent plague.
>40K will have both Russ and Khorne representing rage.

>>51722608
No, no, no, they are all actually vehicle drivers. Sometimes, while not enough vehicles are available for use, they must unfortunately support the main force on foot.

Once again I remind you that this chapter complies completely with, and is utterly committed to, the Codex Astartes.

>>51712149
Nobody the anal circumference great enough to manage to actually pull this out of their ass. I can only assume your post exists still in your ass.

>>51706387
>wondering which levels of asspullery would be possible, when GW already turned WFB into AOS trough pure asspullery

Come on.

>>51721877
Except they let the Luna Wolves decals go OOP

>>51719499
Aenarion didn't invent Phoenix Kings, mortals did. ET makes no sense.
The Everqueen was the only divine ruler.

>>51723980
>Aenarion didn't invent Phoenix Kings

He did by becoming the chosen of Aenarion.
Malekith was the only one since him to actually try, all the others got protection from the flame by mages.

>>51706387
Are there any other full company rosters like this one?

>>51719206
I could see Corax falling, depending on how you read his "departs for the Warp saying "no more"" ending.

The Lion, though, I just don't see, sorry. The Dark Angels? Maybe. But the Lion is loyal to the point of complete autism and beyond.

The Khan's pretty much the only other option for potential to turn traitor, I think.

>>51722240
Why did Mortarion choose to go Chaos, again? I feel as though I remember him having a decent reason for it, but I can't be sure.

>>51724163
>The Khan's pretty much the only other option for potential to turn traitor, I think.
>Not much going on, hard to remember, and likes bikes.
White Scars are prime contenders for chaos asspull.

>>51724190
Muh survival of the fittest.

Muh room for advancement.

>>51706434
This and 1000boys and johnson invade fenris and exterminate eldar and sw

St. Celestine converts either Loregar or Magnus into a Daemon of the Emperor like her or resurrects a repentant Horus.

Fulgrim clones Ferrus once again and this time manages to convert him, or the lion seeks to topple the imperium's leaders and insert himself as emperor so that he can force it to conform to the imperial truth again. Lots of dark angels go with him. Guilman and the lion beat down, Lion armed with his chaplain killing fists, Guiliman with the greatest book ever written.

>>51722914

>the emperor did a long string of actions that ultimately "turned" horus to heresy
>Horus is great wizard, doesn't have enough power to defeat chaos

Okay so here's how you "reverse" the horus heresy without completely butt fucking continuity:

>in final battle between Horus and Emps, Emps used his psychic shit to explain what was going on and how everything was a misunderstanding
>but not before Emp had made a fatal strike against Horus.
>the emperor, upset at harming one of his children, stripped his armor, and horus's, put horus's armor on some random guy who'd been killed during the fighting and put horus into his armor
>told the dying horus how to set up the golden throne and that if he sat upon it until the real emperor's return, he'd be forgiven for his treachery and be making a great blow against chaos in the process.
>horus used his magic to hide his countenance as that of the emperor's
>nude, the emperor stepped into the immaterium to avenge what chaos had done to his children.
>rest of the loyalists make it to the bridge of the battle barge
>take Horus!Emps to the golden throne, plug him in

cut to present day, Emperor emerges from the immaterium and breathes life back into the shrivelled body of Horus with a single fatherly kiss on the lips with tongue.

Fulgrim becomes a goodguy because Slaanesh becomes a goodguy

Screencap this

>>51706387


If the leak fag is right the Magnus will save everyone.

Russ will get pissed, but fuck yifffags. Go be viking and shit somewhere else.

>>51726412
Change that to a kiss on his forehead with an I'm sorry or a thank you and I'm so. fucking. down. for that.

I kind of dig the theory that one of Alpharius and Omegon is a loyalist and the other traitor, and there has been a struggle between them since the heresy. Likewise their legion would also struggle between the two.

>GW announced a partnership with Bruva Alfabusa
>TTS is now canon, and Alfabusa will be writing the new lore

>>51728394

i want this
its comedy and satire just to get lulz but you can see how knowledgable guy is, orginal and passionate about the topic also most of this shit he ridicules is worth radiclule because fucks in GW are inept.

but instead we got Ward again

fucking GW

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>>51728394
Honestly I'd have no problems with this.

Alfabusa and crew have shown more love towards 40k than GW has in years.

>>51728068
ditto. the secret loyalists but not tging makes a little more sense if half are secret loyalists with one twin while the others are just traitors.

As for the loyalist that turns traitor the idea hope they go with is Roboute, but not to turning to chaos. As he pushes to rule the Imperium and take it in a more Eldar friendly direction hardcore emporer loyalists resist and schism in the imperium forms. Roboute and his Empire of Ultramar emerges, seeing the imperium starting to splot the Mechanicus starts shoring up its own independence and the Imperium starts fracturing as anceint Rome did.

Papa Smurf goes traitor, Fulgrim returns.

I want this, if only because of the apocalyptic amount of asshurt it would generate.

>>51706387
>UltraMAIRNES

nice type

>>51707316
I thought it was canon that Russ didn't WANT to do it, he just thought he had to. So he'd probably regret it. It just really matters if a heartfelt apology to his brother would fix what he did.

Of course, I'm not sure which version is Black Library and which one is before the Horus Heresy novels, so I don't know whether Russ regretting it or loving it is canon.

>>51707944
Not all Chapters reject the Ecclesiarchy's teachings, mind. Just the more sane ones. The Black Templars are all for it, for example.

I've been out of the loop

Girlyman was the primarch frozen in stasis right?
Did they unfreeze him?
Are other primarchs back?
The only one I give a shit about is Vulkan

>>51731740
yes

yes, Aeldari helped save him so he didn't just immediately die. They want to try use him to guide humanity in the fight against chaos.

Aside from magnus no, not yet.

Other primiarchs may come back its all speculation at the moment.

>>51706814
Chaos is inherently treacherous, its not something that when you fall into you are gone for good. Chaos's greatest enemy is chaos right?

It wouldnt be the weirdest for Perturabo, already contemptuous of chaos, to switch sides and stays renegade.

The Alpha legion also has been so secretive the "Maybe they are actually loyal" has always been something joked about.

Or maybe one of the primarchs just bounds one of the daemon ones and works through that.

>>51707572
Alternatively Dorn turns out to be alive and turns traitor and Pertuabo, out of sheer unwillingless to be anywhere near the firsts, betrays chaos.

>>51724008
Malekith didn't "try". Malekith murdered the current phoenix king, slaughtered the present lords and council members, and then was rightfully judged unworthy by Asuryan, end of story.

go shove your end times skub up your ass. Revisionism kills any flair the Dark and High Elves had.

>>51711892
And then the Angry Marines become canon.

>>51731717
I'm pretty sure the BT are all for hot babes with bouncing asses helping them purge heretics and xenos and shit.

>>51724190
He was tortured into it by a contagion.

Also Horus was much nicer to him then the Emperor was.

>>51706814
>Or maybe they bring a dead primarch back

Fulgrim gets out of that mirror and gets a nice new body courtesy of Fabulous Bile's experimenting and not securing his lab well enough?

>>51724238
Don't forget he has a rage boner for tyrants, thinks the Emperor is a tyrant, and the only reason he didn't defect during the Heresy is that he decided he hated chaos more.

>>51726412
>kiss on the lips with tongue
But why though?

>>51732094
Hot babes helping with purging is not against the Codex Astartes and you know it.

>>51732021
>Malekith didn't "try".

He did.
He walked into the flame unprotected, which no other Phoenix King besides Aenarion did.

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>>51732684

Because the Emperor was a Gene Stealer Cult Patriarch all along and "The Kiss" is how they spread gene stealers

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>>51731301
>GW pulls off Caesar/Antony - the ruler who was controlled by slutty foreign queen.

>>51717805

But brother... you did..
>We are all Alpharius

>>51733281
This is such turbo-heresy it is actually making me sort of irate. Congrats OP.

>>51706814
Dorn is dead

>>51706848
Magnus does warpfuckery to help imperium, then Tzeench wastes him?

>>51706387
Rowboat falls, alpharius rises

>>51707708
>But everyone got turned into a rubric marine AFTER the heresy and AFTER the siege of Terra. There are no loyalist thousand sons left.

I'm pretty sure the rubrics now are the same as the ones from the Heresy. The sorcerers just pull their souls into new sets of armour everytime one 'dies'.

>>51708267
Yes but 1000 is actually a collectible number of marines. GW knows that you'd actually need millions per chapter, but limiting it to 1000 was more in line with the 'your doods' mentality and you can bet there are a few high level spergs with a full chapter collection.

>>51736919
>you can bet there are a few high level spergs with a full chapter collection.
i remeber a few years ago in white dwarf they featured a guys army that was an entire codex complient chapter complete with all vehicles and support marines as well as the base 1000. It was around 50000 points in 4e IIRC.

>>51733793
Too good to be true

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I work for GW
Space Wolves Fall
T Sons Return
Screencap this

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>>51733281
I have never seen such a heresy in the worst of nightmares.

>>51717744
Dakkadakka has been pretty good since they started tracking people's accuracy. Really cut down on the number of bulshitters and every time someone with a bad track record posts something they get called out pretty quickly. As a consequence, there are far fewer rumours on there, but they tend to be the most accurate.

>>51722387

M'shen cut off Curze's head, and has a perspective chapter in the NL trilogy where she runs past *most of the Legion* who are actually obeying orders for once and letting her leave. He's definitely dead. And if GW bring him back I'll be extremely pissed because his death is the best moment of his character development. Probably the only good moment.

>>51722387
>Dark Angels were always ultra dickish. They purged entire planets if they showed chaos corruption in the slightest and have specifically targeted their 'remnant' factions like monsters despite the Fallen and Cipher being pro-imperium/anti-chaos in general because they know their deep dark secret.

So they're just like the Emperor's Holy Inquisition? Good to know they're as loyal as loyal comes.

>>51707708
>breaking into the black library doesnt sound like it would be a good thing for anyone.
Elaborate