/5eg/ Fifth Edition General

Do we have a confirmation about Warlock UA? It comes out tomorrow right?

>>51702255
I mean, at this point we're waiting on Warlock, Wizard, Fighter, and... That's about it, isn't it? I haven't been paying attention to release order, but if it's alphabetic, then Warlock SHOULD be next.

>>51702299
We got fighter man.

Arcane Archer, Knight, Samurai and Sharpshooter. Don't come up much because none are really good.

>>51702217
>Lankhmar-esque
>Paladins

Poor bastards.

Can someone explain Spell Bombardment to me in simple terms?

What's the best Cleric Domains? I've never really played a Cleric and I'm wondering if there's any that jump out ahead of the rest.

Whats the worst curse a player could receive that a simple 3rd level Remove Curse can't deal with?

except for that dm

>>51702412
Most of them are good, it all depends on what you hope to do as a cleric.
Case in point, the cleric player in my campaign probably should've picked War as he keeps trying to be a martial despite being a life cleric. Hitting the front lines, casting spiritual weapons, NOT using bless or guidance....

>>51702403
If you cast firebolt, rolling 4d10, and you roll a 5, a 3, a 4, and a 10, the 10 allows you to roll an extra die and add it to the roll. If you had rolled two tens, you would get a number of extra dice equal to the 10s you rolled.
I'm not sure whether or not the additional dice count towards more d10s, to be honest, though.

>Thunder Brand Warhammer
>When you hit with an attack using this magic warhammer, the target takes an extra 1d6 thunder damage.
>If you hit the same creature at least twice on your turn, it must make a DC 10 Constitution saving throw or become stunned until the end of your next turn. If you rolled a 20 in any of those attacks, the DC becomes 15 and the creature is deafened for 1 minute.

How's this? Intended for a paladin, at level 8 or 9.

>>51702557
Sounds good, as long as the encounters are an appropriate challenge level.

>>51702403
It's a bit shitty. Essentially, if you roll the maximum number on any damage dice for a spell, you get to roll 1 more dice and add it to the total damage.

>>51702462
Why would you have a curse that can't be removed with Remove Curse? What's the justification for it not working?

Off the top of my head, the curse from the deck of many things' card Euryale is one example. "Only a god or the magic of The Fates card can end this curse."

What's cooler, Kobold Gunsmith Artificer or Yuan-Ti Dragon (Poison) Sorcerer?

I know that neither are really powerful but they're both ideas I like.

>>51702682
I like the Yuan-Ti idea better but I tend to really dig snakemen in general.

>>51702698
Same. Snakemen are awesome.

Forgot to ask with it though, I know there's not enough Poison spells but are there any really good ones?

One of my players wants to roll up an alchemist from the UA... How decent and balanced is it? I'm always hesitant in regards to UA stuff.
(he also wants to know how decently it can work with a primary focus on healing)

>>51702315
Oh shit. I forgot since they were so insignificant.

>>51702329
The city is Lankhmar-esque in that I wanted to take a lot of inspiration from actual sword/sorcery and have the same kind of massive port city for the campaign to take place in. I wanted the general mundane things to feel grounded in the city with some over the top swordplay and magic stuff going on.

This is the campaign I'm thinking about testing gestalt out in for my players.

As for the "Paladins," the main themes for them are going to be their ability to use resources that aren't themselves to chase their goals and harass the players. They are also going to be somewhat loosely modeled after the Four Horsemen, though not so much in the way that they are going to be signaling the apocalypse or bringing in a dark god or something. I believe I'm going to have Conquest as the Red Horseman (War) and Oathbreaker as the Pale Horseman (Death), but am unsure about which oaths to use for the White Horseman and Black Horseman. I've talked to a friend and been told Vengeance should be the Black Horseman (Plague), but this doesn't quite feel right to me.

Some of their powers will be inspired by the Paladin Oath they are based on, but I am not building player character profiles for them. For example, whichever one Treachery turns out to be will definitely make judicious use of the Channel Divinity - Illusory clone thing, except with the ability to vocalize and taunt the party while he's further away.

Does anyone have any input on the White and Black Horseman and which Oaths to use for them? I'm looking at the tenets of the oaths, their abilities, as well as the general feel about them.

I have a bit of a Paladin fetish, I'll admit, and will likely make the pre-Horseman and post-Horseman major characters/antagonists/etc also Paladins. One of them will definitely be a Crown-inspired dude, while the other might be Devotion who descends into insanity.

I haven't played a sorcerer since when 5e first came out and last weeks releases still have me unimpressed.

What went wrong with Sorcerers, Way of the Four Elements Monks, and Bladelocks and how could you possibly fix them?

>>>51690950 →
Yes, because you can be a fucking dread pirate who trolls his foes and then when they scurry off he can whip out a fucking HAND HELD ARTILLERY PIECE and blow their shit to kingdom come.

All while being stylish.

>>51702771
Sorcerers can't be fixed, they need to be redone.
There is far too much planning involved in what should be a very freeflowing class.

>>51702745
The Alchemist path Artificer is entirely balanced in my opinion. It's ok at healing (has cure wounds), but progresses slower than a Life Cleric for spells. Its healing feature (the healing draught) scales alright, a bit like an accelerated cantrip, but only works once per target per long rest. If you're doing more than one encounter per long rest, it will by no means be overpowered.

Alchemist brings more variable utility as it levels, but none of it is particularly stand-out as better than what anyone else can do. An interesting thing you can do is put a Cure Wounds into an item at 4th level (with Infuse Magic) and then the other characters can use their actions to be healed by you.

I suggest using one of the homebrew fixes to Artificer which makes the companion actually progress with you, however, and replaces the FREE MAGIC ITEMS!!! with other crafting stuff that feels quite a bit better. I cannot for the life of me find it myself, but it's out there.

Would a frost giant camp use a fire? Or would they prefer to be cold and take advantage of their low-light vision?

>>51702899
>Would a frost giant camp use a fire?
HAHAHA
NO.

>>51702899
>In combat, frost giants will hurl rocks and then close in with battleaxes. They are immune to cold, but particularly vulnerable to fire, and have low-light vision. Their power visual senses extend into a higher end of the visible spectrum, allowing them to see more easily through snow and blizzards than other creatures. They will take prisoners if possible.

You tell me.

>>51702935
>>51702927
Do they cook their food? I feel like they would.

>>51702954
That'd involve increasing the temperature, and that shit is far too maug.
Frost giants are cave men without fire. Cave men with access to nearby villages who have actual technology, free for raiding.

>>51702954
Maybe they bribe a Remorhaz?

>>51702954
According to old D&D monster encyclopedias I had as a kid, frost giants frequently start shit with white dragons and kill them to eat. Sounds ridiculous but when you're immune to its breath weapon and are big enough to grapple it, a few frost giants are going to stomp the shit out of a white dragon.

>>51702620
I was curious if there were curses not trivialized by Remove Curse. Since it looks to be quite accessible compared to the curses. Thanks for the deck suggestion!

>>51702749
>I believe I'm going to have Conquest as the Red Horseman (War)
You do realize that one of the horseman for the book of Revelations is in fact Conquest? Pestilence was made up by popular culture.

>>51702620
>>51702532

Do you get to add bonus dice for each maximum roll (of the base dice of the spell), or just one of them?

>>51702771
Double sorcery points given by level as a bandaid if your game isn't going beyond 10ish. Sorcerer is worthless compared to a wizard at every tier but it really stands out in early game.

>>51703048
Each maximum roll of the base dice of the spell. I don't know if the extra dice count towards additional extra dice, though.

>>51703047
I realize this, but the Oath of Conquest felt more War-like to me.

I COULD have Conquest as the White Horseman. I won't deny that. However, I think that Pestilence/Plague is more iconic in the current day (as you say, made up by popular culture).

That would make most of the rest of this pretty easy, however. I would put Vengeance as the Red Horseman (War) and Treachery as the Black Horseman (Famine).

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I recall reading some lore that stated that Bael Turath the first tiefling empire was eventually dragged off and transported to the nine hells.

But alas, I cannot find any references. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

>>51703004
But then how do they forge their weapons? Or make the tar necessary to ship-building? I feel like there are major aspects to frost giant society that collapse without fire.

Like they can raid just fine, but they aren't going to find appropriately sized weapons doing that. Plus they aren't the types to make slaves of their victims, that seems more like a fire giant thing.

>>51703144
Nope.

Although each major city in Bael Turath allegedly had huge gaping holes in them that led down into the Nine Hells, and pretty much every major wizard that lived that had a pact/sold his soul to someone/something in the Nine Hells, so it's not too weird. Bane himself was a big fan. It makes more sense that everyone just ran down into the hells when BT got blown the fuck out during the Spellplague.

>>51703155
>but then how do they forge their weapons? Or make the tar necessary to ship-building?
I quote the volo
>Frost giant society has no industry to speak of. It takes what it needs from others, and if it can't take something, it has no need for it.
>Rod plunder consists of living creatures, either livestock or slaves.
>Kvit refers to material goods, the most prized being objects of steel, alcohol and large gems.
>The fire-forged items of steel and iron that they wield and wear are prized as though they were made of gold.

>>51703155
Are you just making up headcanon now because you're bored? All the monster manual entries have explicitly covered that frost giants generally make their weapons out of entire fucking trees and steal a lot of their shit. They also fucking love slaves.

I don't recall them being sailors by any means, because they live in fucking tundra and mountains.

>>51702857
Do you know where one of the good fixes would be? I remember seeing people working on one on here a few weeks back but it's late and I'm having trouble finding it.

>>51703185
I think that they are conflating viking/NORD memes with ice giants.

>>51703105
If you want to use Pestilence then I would suggest using Oath of Treachery but subbing out some of the Oath spells with more on-flavor things like Ray of Sickness, Blight and Contagion

>>51703198
>>51703185
I'm going off what's in Storm King's Thunder, which prominently features frost giants using gigantic long boats to raid along the sword coast. In that adventure they talk about how the fire giants are unique because they take slaves. I'm not trying to use headcannon for any of this, I'm just trying to figure out how frost giants work a little bit before my players encounter them.

>>51703182
So their weapons are hodgepodge? That just seems really strange to me for some reason. In SKT they make a big deal about how the frost giants are recovering the old frost giant lodges and repairing them and gearing up for war. I just wouldn't figure that they would be able to fashion giant axes from salvaged goods without reforging them. But if it's supported in the books....

>>51703174
Thanks for the info!

For those of you that ran/played OotA, how was the month of surface time handled? Did you just narrate over it or did you have the players actually do things? Did any players say nope fuck that to the invite back? If so what did you do?

>>51703251
> In SKT they make a big deal about how the frost giants are recovering the old frost giant lodges and repairing them and gearing up for war.
They do this by pillaging resources. With boats they found. They never make anything themselves, they just take.

>>51703206
Ah, yes, of course. I mentioned that I would be basing the NPC stat blocks on the Oaths and the characters themselves, but not completely lifting them. Of course I'd be doing that.

After talking to a friend of mine on Discord, I've realized that I should probably just go with Conquest, Vengeance, Treachery, and Oathbreaker in that order.

A rough idea of the storyline behind them being relevant would be
>White returns to the city with their victorious army, bringing riches from conquest as well as their vicious veteran military force
>Conquest/White begins to destabilize the city as too many soldiers, refugees/slaves, foreign powers, riches without material backing or food or whatever to support them flow in
>Players deal with Conquest itself, but now the army and all the things that White brought are present and ruining stuff
>Red/Vengeance steps up to take control of some of the factions, or perhaps playing them both as tensions run high
>At the same time, Black/Treachery begins to undermine the city's infrastructure through underworld connections and deceit, abusing the issues that arise from War doing his shit within the city
>Even as/if players deal with Red and Black, the results lead to the emergence of Pale/Oathbreaker
>A dark force begins to emerge from the conflict and the dead begin to rise; fiends show themselves
>If/when Pale/Oathbreaker/Death is dealt with, the players then feel obligated as the HEROES or something (up to them) to hopefully rebuild or reunify, perhaps with themselves as the new leaders

I would absolutely LOVE for one of the players to be a Devotion or Crown Paladin (or maybe even have a Devotion, Crown, Fae, and Vengeance, but for good, Paladin party).

That's just a rough outline with no nuance that I wrote for this post alone. It wouldn't be quite that bad or linear.

>>51703251
Keep in mind there's nothing preventing frost giants from stealing from OTHER giants, who *do* have appropriately sized weapons, which is why other giants fuckin' hate frost giants.

>>51703274
We largely narrated over it and two characters noped out (dropped from the group due to either lack of interest or graduation) and I almost did (it was in character, to go was almost suicide but to not go was even more so especially as an exiled Drow).

>>51703070
The RAW says "choose one of those dice," which led to my confusion.

>>51703379
I'm pretty sure the "those" refers to the original dice that landed on maximums, but it's vague enough about the extra dice that I could see how someone could interpret that they might be included.

Just google "exploding dice" because that's what the mechanic is

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How does your group handle Initiative and combat? Grid? Hex? Description?
Are there any particularly useful houserules you use?

>>51702857
Yeah but it's like. Good armor proficiencies, can do all sorts of damage that higher level creatures are less immune to, for free, never needs to do any management of ressources unless the bag is stolen... I still have my doubts about it.

>>51703519
Standard initiative, grid combat. No houserules, but that comes with running AL.

>>51703519
>Initiative
Standard initiative, with the players making/managing our own initiative list so the GM doesn't have to make two.

>Combat
Theater of the mind.
It sucks, I hate it.

>Houserules
Death saving throws are made in secret.

So how evil can a paladin be and how would it be represented?

>>51703625
>Houserules
>Death saving throws are made in secret.

This shits on pretty much every form of reroll ability/feat/skill that require the players to see the roll to decide if they want to add to it or reroll

>>51703671
I think anon meant secret from other players, so people can't come help you because they know you're one saving throw from dying.

>>51703668
As evil as you want him to be. However you want it to be represented.

This isn't 3.5. You can't "Fall" anymore, and your powers aren't explicitly handed out to you by a nanny-state God that will cut off the source if he doesn't like your behavior.

5E is fully in the realm of "feelgood" for player responsibility. You'll notice the changes all over. Even familiars aren't real creatures anymore - they're spirits that can reassemble if they get "killed" so you don't feel bad that your toad got squished.

>>51703686
That also defeats the purpose of pretty much anyone with Healing Word, Spare the Dying, etc.

5E is just not the right system for this kind of shit.

>>51703712
I think it could improve combat a lot, since you don't know whether the person who's down is perfectly okay or on the edge of death. Instead of delaying healing actions to focus on other things, they have to decide how much to risk a character dying.

>>51703712
>That also defeats the purpose of pretty much anyone with Healing Word, Spare the Dying, etc.
How does it defeat the purpose of either of those spells?

>>51703730
Mathematically, healing in combat is a losing game.

It's almost always the better action to end combat by destroying/disabling the enemy. Healing Word is the exception because it's a bonus action.

>>51703744
>Todd stabilized; it makes more sense for us to kill the monster than run over to Todd to stabilize him
>Todd did not stabilize, we better go help him
>We don't know if Todd did or did not stabilize, despite knowing other bizarre esoteric things like how much damage my sword does to someone, how much "HP" I have and the numerical value of my Constitution

The spells are resources to be spent when you need them, and thus, know you need them. It's not a coin toss.

"lol nice job retard you used Spare the Dying but he was already stable and it did nothing"

>>51703668
On a scale of 0 to 10, 0.

It is up to you, your DM, and your oath to determine what is considered "evil" and what is not.

For instance, my Paladin regularly ordered mass executions of war prisoners on the charge of heathenous dragon worship, while offering them a one-time chance of renouncing their faith to absolve them and receive the execution of beheading instead of being burned at the stake as a heretic. Still not evil, since they were an orcish horde marching on the kingdoms of men and butchering everything in their path, so when we go Deus Vult not many people batted an eye when we started burning orc cities to the ground.

You just need to determine ahead of time what your god considers to be evil. If you want to be a goody two shoes giving all your money to charity and saving orphans, fine, and if you want to full Deus Vult and leave a trail of heretical blood in your wake wherever you go, that works too, just clear it with your DM as to what you are going for, why, and how. If he's worth a shit he will help you fit your style into his setting so you can crusade to your heart's content.

I've been idly thinking about putting a together a campaign with a polynesian/micronesian theme to it, but I've never run a campaign in that style (...or at all).

Have any of you? Do you have any suggestions?

>>51703809
D&D 5th Edition thus far, aside from a few classes and monsters, runs heavily on a western european fantasy theme, so it's a bit hard to refluff that into other cultural settings.
They still haven't even added lung dragons back into the mix.

>>51703809
>Do you have any suggestions?

Don't.

>>51703791
Oh, no, if the character stabilizes or dies then it's announced to the party, barring some sort of unusual circumstance. It's just a little tweak to turn "lol he's fine for another two rounds at least, watch me fuck this goblin up in the meantime" into "SOMEONE FUCKING HELP HIM ALREADY." Metagaming death saving throws is just way too easy, every group seems to fall into it at some point otherwise

>>51703791
>>We don't know if Todd did or did not stabilize, despite knowing other bizarre esoteric things like how much damage my sword does to someone, how much "HP" I have and the numerical value of my Constitution
I'll admit that stuff makes it feel more game-y, but a person would know roughly where they stand in such things from 'healthy' to 'almost dead' or 'solid hit' vs 'glancing blow.'

In a real scenario you wouldn't be sure whether the unconscious ally is dying or stabilized so you have to make the call between ensuring their survival or dealing with a threat. Sometimes you will make a bad call.

>>51703883
I only think it's fair if the players know about this rule prior to chargen, because it makes Healing Word a million times more useful and makes other things less ideal. I'd never bother wasting time or money on the Medicine skill or healer kit for stabilizing, since it's a secret.

What's the most overpowered combat class in this edition and what contributes to it's power?

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I'm actually a little sick of Sorcerer's getting their power from having a slut and/or Bard (you know the type) as an ancestor. I'm tired of bloodlines as their origins.

Why can't Sorcerers just BE? Like, why can't it just be a Gift, or a Talent, or a quirk of the cosmos? Why can't Sorcerers be natural mages who just need a particular focus/specialization to make it work? Or maybe they get their power from nebulous and strange sources? Or the fucking Force? Why do we have to fall back on something that Pathfinder came up with? Why can't we do something fucking different for once?

>>51703998
Paladin. Smite. Lay on Hands. Aura.

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aight, 5eg, rate my collection of houserules:

Greyhawk and Norse Pantheons are allowed.

A year has 12 months of 4 weeks of 10 days.

Traveling is done in 24 hour days of 6 4 hour watches.

While traveling, 1 watch of rest = 1 short rest. 6 watches of rest = 1 long rest

During any short rest, if you spend one use of a healer’s kit, you can help an ally regain 1HD of hp without spending any HD. (Medicine DC 15 to heal a 2nd HD)

Druids get druidcraft at level one. This does not count against known cantrips.

The holy water ritual described on PHB 152 takes only 15gp worth of silver powder.

Mounts can carry a rider, but can only carry gear if they have saddlebags or a pack saddle. See Items for details on saddlebags. A pack saddle is the same cost as a normal saddle, and allows a mount to carry up to its maximum capacity, and are only available for Large creatures.

Encumbrance (Non-Optional)
>Over ½ max → encumbered
>>½ max → 7lbs/point Str
>80% max → heavily encumbered
>>80% max → 12lbs/point str
>Max → heavily encumbered + 1 Lvl exhaustion/watch of movement

Crits and fumbles: Dropbox/D&D/5e Criticals and Fumbles. (tables I found online)
When PCs crit, roll on table. When NPCs crit, just double dice.
Without access to that specific file, different rules apply:
For fumbles, roll the 20 again. If you roll below your level, fumble is negated.
For crits, roll the 20 again. If you roll below your level, deal max damage + two damage rolls. If not, deal max damage + one roll.

No flanking. Gang up instead → 4:1.

For skill rolls, a nat 20 is treated as a roll of 22 and a nat 1 is treated as a roll of 0.

>>51704030
Don't both Wild Magic and Storm origins mention that you might have just been bitten by a radioactive wizard or born under a particularly fierce storm, instead of having it in your blood?

>>51704030
Wild.
>Your innate magic comes from the w ild forces of chaos that underlie the order o f creation. You might have endured exposure to some form o f raw magic, perhaps through a planar portal leading to Limbo, the Elemental Planes, or the mysterious Far Realm. Perhaps you were blessed by a powerful fey creature or marked by a demon. Or your magic could be a fluke o f your birth, with no apparent cause or reason.

>>51704045
>>51704051
I really don't count Wild since it's basically unplayable in anything resembling a serious game, and usually gets used in less serious games. At least right up until the entire party gets immolated when that Enhance Ability spell turns into a Fireball centered on the party.

>>51704082
Then change that outcome if you hate it so much. Make it so you spray some level of Burning Hands in a random d8 direction.

>>51704106
Not even the point of my original argument. I just want some discussion about changing Sorcerers to make them fresh.

>>51702771
Bladelocks just need:
>Free thirsting blade at level 5
>A utility option invocation, like being able to summon your pact weapon as something from the tool list and getting free proficiency with it while it's equipped

Then they'd be fine.

>>51703809
Copy Final Fantasy X.

>>51704144
Sorcerers are garbage and only existed to serve as an alternative for people that were

A) Too dumb to plan their spells and wanted the "flexibility" to have less spells on demand
B) Afraid of overzealous DM's stealing their spellbook as a wizard
C) Wanting "muh internal power" wanking

If 5E had come out and there was simply no sorcerer, I doubt most people would have even given a fuck. In fact, if they had scrapped the class entirely and made Warlock a little better, it'd probably have been the wiser choice.

>>51704346
>Wanting "muh internal power" wanking
Eh. Internal Power is a legit fantasy trope. Something in the system should cover it.

>scrapped the class entirely and made Warlock a little better
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>>51704346
Honestly I think Warlock's a terrible class. The flavor feels very narrow and I personally would never want to play one.

Internal Power's been around forever though, and Sorcerers have been around in d&d for a while. You can't just scrap them.

I truly believe all the Sorcerer needs to be an acceptable power level's more spells and gain all metamagic.

Makes them the versatile caster they're meant to be.

>>51704403
Warlocks are fucking awesome and oozing with flavor. The only thing holding them back is their narrow skillset that restrains them into being one trick ponies.

I get it; WotC was afraid of giving them too many options because players would have busted that asshole wide open to scoop out the sweet powergame goo from inside, but still.

The problem with making Sorcerers good is that there's no way to do it without making them Wizards, at which point, there's no reason to play a Wizard over a Sorcerer if you're gonna get metamagic for free. And the shit that sorcerer could have gotten (unlimited castings of lesser spells, multiple abilities active simultaneously, etc) are now in the domain of the warlock.

>>51704403
>>51704425
Also Bards are just better sorcerers now.

>full casters
>can crib from other casting lists (fuck off Valor bards, Lore is the master race)
>gets armor and weapon proficiencies
>gets actual good skills
>still casting with Cha

But yeah sure you can have some metamagic or whatever.

Sorcerers use their HP to cast spells.

Thoughts?

>>51704463
I think sorcerer's turning their HP into sorcery points is in a thousand shit homebrews and it's a cool idea. Wizards should do something like that.

>>51703840
Why not?

>>51703831
Would it be that big a deal if I just come up with some basic cultures and a relatively simple plot focused around exploring uncharted islands, or trying to band them all together against a common foe?

>>51704463
Either terrible
>high level spells cost too much HP to cast to be reasonable

Or broken
>heal yourself with spells to have HP to cast more spells, allowing infinite casting

>>51704478
Your players are just going to assume you're some fag that watched Moana too many times and meme you to death.

Also classes are going to make even less sense unless you browbeat the players into submission for session 0.

>I want to play a platemail wearing Paladin of the Crown who defends his city state
>Oh sorry this is set on an island of tribal people shooting darts at each other and worshipping thunder birds

>>51704403
>warlock
>terrible class
>narrow flavor

It's a little underpowered compared to wizard, sure, but there's plenty you can do with it. Especially in multiclasses.

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>>51704507
>Moana
Honestly this was the first thing that came to mind for me

It's unfortunate but people are going to relate a campaign setting with whatever's relevant in pop culture at the time.

>>51704518
Actually the one thing I like about it is multiclass.

Feels very on flavor that it gives most people a huge boost in exchange for making a deal with another entity.

>>51702516
That's not an issue being War domain would solve. Life clerics belong on the front line.

>>51704646
>Life clerics who have no martial proficiencies belong on the front line
>War clerics who do, will not solve the problem

I see.

>>51704539
>>51704507
That's too bad. I actually lived in the Northern Marianas Islands for a few years which is why I wanted to do it.

>>51704753
Forgot to continue. What about a Caribbean feel? Like a Haitian, Jamaican, ex-colonial independent island states trying desperately to hold on to what civilization they have under threat of piracy, raids from other islands, internal strife, jungle rebels, etc.

>>51704488
But if the cleric is just healing the sorcerer, then everyone will die.

>>51704767
Uhh... why the fuck are you using 5E D&D for this?

It's like you want to shoehorn real life cultural examples into a system that is mechanically unsupportive of them. These cultures would not exist or progress into the "feel" that you want because of how strongly magic and monsters permeate everything.

Like you can do it if you want, but it basically entails scrapping the base classes entirely except for maybe Barbarian and Sorcerer.

I'd just play something different. When most people sign up to play D&D they're not expecting to get into Jamaican jungle rebel Mount Zion : with Dragons

>>51704807
>everyone will die without the cleric

Gee, my clericless-party that's been doing just fine is sure embarrassed. What would we ever do without a cleric?

Also the original post never said anything about a cleric. You could just take Magic Initiate and grab healing spells to heal yourself.

>>51704826
Colonies are a logical step from medieval pseudo-Europe.

>>51704843
I just meant it as an example.

Magic Initiate? So, one cure wounds?
Hardly broken.

>>51704707
Life clerics DO belong on the front line, it's why their domain powers equate to more healing, being tankier, and healing yourself. They also have Divine Strike for one of the best damage types, so an identically built Life vs War cleric will
>do less damage with an attack by ~1
>have equal HP/AC
>heal himself and other "frontliners" for more
>be much worse at fighting at before access to spiritual weapon
>be on par after, but using spell slots when war has 3-5 rounds they can skip using Spiritual Weapon

War is definitely the better pseudo-fighter, but Life is equally a frontliner

>>51704488
Part of the issue at hand is the Spellcasting feature. It has an explicit definition, and is the only reason multiclassing spellcasters function as they do.

>>51704854
Not when people inside the city-state develop REALITY WARPING MAGIC.

>I could go try to set up a colony on that mud island over there
>or I could create my own plane of existence

Not only that, but if we want to get real : Colonization in D&D would be fast, it would be ugly, and there wouldn't be the diaspora resulting from mundane real world colonization.

It would be Disintegration and Fireball - the old race/society/culture there would cease to exist, and no one would remember them.

There is no "logical step" from D&D setting to modern times.

>>51704885
If you actually read the various lore, very few wizards exist, and fewer still are capable of fireball, let alone disintegration.

Not that it would have no effect whatsoever, but you're far more likely to have towns hire wizards to build Wall of Stone than you are to clear an area with fireballs.

>>51704865
>one cure wounds that you can cast infinitely because you use your HP to cast the spell

He already pointed out that if you can cast spells for less HP than they're worth, you can infinitely heal/cast. And if spells cost MORE HP than they're worth, you're at a strict disadvantage than a regular caster.

It's either too good or it's shitty.

>>51704869
Healing in combat is a hilarious joke, especially in 5E when you can't go to negative HP. Literally having anyone with a Healing Word as a bonus action will put someone back into the game and capable of dealing their regular amount of damage and blowing the encounter the fuck out.

4 guys dedicated to damage is going to end the encounter rounds ahead of 3 guys dedicated to damage and 1 heal monkey. This is part of the game design. They literally had to build the game to be possible without a cleric or healer in the party, elsewise there'd be a huge disclaimer in the front saying "WARNING : YOU MUST HAVE A LIFE CLERIC IN YOUR PARTY TO PLAY D&D".

It's a sick joke, really. Any DM that sees there's a life cleric in the party as well will just increase the damage done to the party/opportunities for them to get hurt so the life cleric can make use of his heals.

HEALING IN COMBAT IS A MEME

>>51704885
You're making so many assumptions.

You're not taking into account anything but a very high magic campaign where the people in not!Europe have no magic at all.

>>51704885
Please, in real life the Colonizers could've easily just wiped out the indigenous people entirely, but didn't for legitimate reasons like the necessity of a subjugated work force. Even in D&D it's not like manual labor has entirely been replaced; the scarcity of magic users and material components sees to that.

People will still be needed to mine the atium, or whatever you're colonizing the island for. And those people will still need to pick themselves up after the mines run out and the original colonizer takes off for the horizon.

And who's to say that the subjugated humans weren't subjugated by, say, dragonborn and their dargon overlords? That the island 200 nm east isn't primarily orc, with dwarfs in the mountain range, and which never fully surrendered?

I want to create my own monster, but the rules in the DMG confuse me. It says that a creature of CR 1 should have around 71-85 HP.

Not a single creature in the MM of that CR has over 71 HP. Most of them have half of that.
What am I not understanding?

>>51704915
>It's a sick joke, really. Any DM that sees there's a life cleric in the party as well will just increase the damage done to the party/opportunities for them to get hurt so the life cleric can make use of his heals.
Right, just like having a charisma caster will make the DM increase all social DC's and a rogue will make stronger traps?

Tuning for your parties enjoyment is one thing, but if you inflate everything that they are good at, and nerf those they aren't, player choice is an illusion. Get better DMs.

Also, Life Clerics are the archetype specifically made to allow for viable combat healing, everyone else is meant to patch you up and keep you alive.

>>51704915
You cannot use a class spell slot to cast a Magic Initiate spell.
You cannot regain a Magic Initiate spell slot in any way other than a long rest.
It's in the book.

>>51704923
Again, it depends on your setting, but Animate Dead makes for a damn good subjugated work force.

Also subjugating people with dragons and dragon warlords makes Eberron, or possibly Dark Sun.

>>51704924
Read the whole thing instead of just the table.

Monster with lower hp can get higher attack and damage in compensation.

>>51704909
>If you actually read the various lore, very few wizards exist, and fewer still are capable of fireball, let alone disintegration.
Yeah. Even the paladin orders in FR only have like hundreds of people each.

>>51704933
>rogue will make stronger traps

I get what you're saying but this one's actually true.

>>51704933
Combat healing isn't viable though. I can't believe people don't understand this by now. There's been an autismal amount of math and numbers to prove why it's ineffective over the various editions of D&D, and 5E has made it more redundant than ever.

Also, social DCs and traps aren't a constant thing in D&D like taking combat damage is. I don't think most of the party would give one insular fuck about higher social DCs that they're not going to bother with in the first place, and traps that don't have multiple solutions are boring. Worst case scenario, send in a familiar or a zombie to trigger the traps first.

>>51704936
What spell slots are we even talking about? He's talking about replacing spell slots with HP based casting. Slots don't matter in the example provided.

>>51704943
Animate Dead is beyond almost all people. And one servant isn't much.

>there are people in this thread that play D&D as a low fantasy setting where simple low level spells are beyond the ken of most folk

Holy fuck, this is depressing. The fuck is your BBEG, a guy with a +1 sword?

Guys one of my players wants to make an archfey bladelock with a glaive so he can join the other guys into melee, is he boned?

>>51704962
You're talking about getting cure wounds via Magic Initiate. You can only cast that once, then you need a long rest to cast it again, regardless of any class feature.

>>51704948
Considering passive perception is likely as high, or higher, at least early on, with a cleric or druid, as long as traps can be avoided they don't have to be disabled any more.

Hell, my current party just hit 13 on its 2 highest members
>Battlemaster Dwarf with Shield Master
>War Cleric Human, built for sword and board
>Moon Druid half-elf, just got turned into a vampire
>Forest Druid Elf, she likes to blight and flaming sphere

and yet we've been just fine, even punching above our CR.

>>51704962
>Combat healing isn't viable though.
You can say that all you want, it doesn't change the fact that it works.
Learn to variety.

>>51704987
Perhaps another edition is more your style.

>>51705009
There's literally nothing in the 5E rulebook that says it's not high fantasy or can't be high fantasy.

I've never played a game of 5E where the players weren't embroiled in regular asshattery with other people who had magic abilities and powers.

If everyone is a normie and the players are basically gods, there's nothing to stop them from going FULL murderhobo. Also most of the campaign modules like Strahd show that NPCs aren't all useless 5 HP peasants.

>>51705000
>You can say that all you want, it doesn't change the fact that it works.

He's not saying it doesn't work, he's saying that it's an inefficient joke, which it is.

>Can you play D&D without a combat healer? If yes, then why do you need one?

>>51704991
Just make sure he understands that, without extreme optimization, bladelock ISN'T a melee class, its just a warlock with better options when he gets into the thick of it.

>>51705026
The existing way things are balanced, like the CR system, assume a lack of overflowing magical items.

Just because named/important NPCs are reasonably strong, doesn't mean the vast majority aren't.

>>51704945
aah
So they use AC as a sort of currency when building to adjust the CR.
Thanks for the help

>>51705042
It just creates a huge cognitive dissonance for the setting. If NPCs/named people are able to match the PCs or are stronger than the PCs, and the average joe is like a fucking cockroach before their might, the setting would basically be an ancap meme of warlord tribes fighting each other with slaves. Society would not function with wild disparity in power. The economy in D&D is already broken beyond shit.

Thankfully there are a shitload of different settings that 5E works with. It doesn't just have to be Greyhawk or Krynn or whatever.

I'd argue that there's more high fantasy ones than low fantasy. Low fantasy D&D is just rusty dagger shanktown and it's garbage.

/5eg/, question for you all.

I'm setting up a campaign, and one of the players has a character bio where he's the grandson of a powerful, but deceased, archmage, and his goal for his adventuring career is looking for said archmage's greatest creation, and he'd like for it to be something like a Staff of the Magi, except it'd be a ring instead (because he's playing a Warlock with Pact of the Blade, he made a pact because he was the only grandkid without magic of his own and finally got sick of being a blacksmith, and also doesn't want to be wielding a staff because he's rolling with warhammers instead).

I can't see any issues with letting him be searching for a Staff of the Magi style item, since while it's very powerful, I also have no intention of letting the party get near it until they're reaching an appropriate level (and with appropriate story quests/rewards/etc.). However, is there anything inherently that might be an issue with making the "Staff" of the Magi into a ring instead? About all I can see looking at the item effects is that it'd be missing the +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls while wielded, since it's a ring and not a weapon, but are there any other potential balance issues I should be aware of before allowing the change, or even allowing the item at all? It'd still require attunement from him, once he finds it.

>>51705042
Eeeeeeeeeeh you know what? He can learn that one on his own. Begged me to switch out characters because he got tired of his monk with really good dex and wis, because he found it boring and finds warlocks more to his liking.
(his first warlock, seeker tomelock, died at 3rd level)

>>51705026
And there's literally nothing in the 5E rulebook that says it's not low fantasy or can't be low fantasy.

I like it when there's still an element of myth and mystery to magic. Otherwise it gets dull and can seem mundane.

PCs aren't particularly godly in 5E, either. Not until later anyway.

>>51705044
AC,HP, attack and damage are all currency.

>>51705088
>it's not low fantasy or can't be

I don't know about you, but being able to be a dragonborn, tiefling, wizard or druid right out of the gate and cast spells and shapeshift into stuff pretty much pisses directly into the mouth of low fantasy.

Is monk a boring class outside of combat

>>51705078
If he said "like" a the item he's not going to mind changes to it. You can just reduce the number of charges it can hold and let him "unlock" more of it's power as he levels up. If he can convince the party to try and get it early you should let him get it early but with gimped utility.

>>51705110
You lack vision.

D&D is literally the codifying trope for high fantasy what the fuck are you people smoking

Conan is low fantasy

>>51705115
Running up walls is fun.
Shadow teleporting is fun too.

>>51705115
Good news! Monk is a boring class inside *and* outside of combat!

In combat : Stunning Strike! GOOD JOB
Out of combat : Meditate! Use your complete lack of good skills or magical ability to have unique solutions to problems!

>>51705139
>stop liking what I don't like!

>>51705129
Could do that, yes, it'd let me put it in without needing to worry as much if I shave off some of the spells from it until he can unlock it.

There isn't really any balance issue with making it a ring, though?

>>51705163
I like low fantasy though. I fucking love Conan. D&D is not low fantasy though. Low fantasy is low fantasy because the relatively LOW FANTASY CONTENT. Being able to spit lasers out of your mouth and shapeshift into a manbearpig while producing flame at will is not low fantasy.

>>51705176
You don't have to go by the book, you can do whatever you want.
What don't you get?

Can someone elaborate what kind of a character should I play as when creating a Nuclear Druid? A self-absorbed idiot who thinks he is a demi-god?

>>51705009
>>51705026
0E does most stuff that isn't a princess pageant better. I like 5e but it very much leans itself towards particular sorts of games and clearly isn't universal. If it was all I had to play I'd be rather cross though and things like rules arguments at the table and special snowflakes would be much more grating.

Treat 5e as a superhero game or you're gonna need to throw everything in the garbage by about level 10 for scale or make absurd DM rulings about magic and crafting that make players feel arbitrarily limited to cope with the systems limits.

5e is a great game and is more "nutrient dense" than 3.anything or 4e ever was but it can't be your everything.

>>51705195
People claiming that D&D is low fantasy. Sure, you can do whatever you want, but the content presented as provided is high fantasy.

I think that was what started everything.

>>51705066
D&D is NOT low fantasy, it's just not AS high as it used to be, and has a fairly wide gap in power between the strong and weak.

>>51705148
Hey now, depending on archetype it can do a couple other things in combat. Like shoving people around reasonably well, and being edgy, and HADOUKEN.

>>51705088
5e PCs are demigods after like 5th level just based on the sort of things they can kill. Don't pretend otherwise.

>>51705201
>Treat 5e as a superhero game or you're gonna need to throw everything in the garbage by about level 10 for scale

This. People only think 5E is balanced because the average game doesn't go past 6. Apparently the normal D&D group these days barely lasts more than a dozen sessions before the campaign is killed.

The high level content is completely fucking bonkers and is not balanced in any sense of the imagination.

>>51705209
I can't see anyone claiming D&D is low fantasy.

>>51705227
Because they can fly a couple of times a day?

>>51705232
>>51704987
>>51705009


>>51705088
>nothing in the 5E rulebook that says it's not low fantasy

>>51705227
Out of curiosity for "things they can kill", i went and put 4 level 5s into kobold fight club at deadly until i got 1 enemy.

Clay Golem.

Not exactly a demigod encounter.

>>51705254
>Look just because I can shoot fire beams from my fingertips, fly, turn invisible, and shoot lightning doesn't mean I'm a demigod
>I mean let's look at a REAL demigod, like Hercules
>The dude was like... really strong
>Oh wait he couldn't do any of that crazy shit I can do?
>He was just stronger than normal people?

Demigods. Not even once.

>>51705255
I never said it was.

I said the book doesn't say it isn't and encourages you to do what you want.

>>51704885
Powerful wizards are rare, and Amn canoically did have colonies on Maztica.

>>51702771
>What went wrong with Sorcerers
Playtesters that wanted a wizard-clone instead of a unique class that suits its fluff.
>>51702814
>There is far too much planning involved in what should be a very freeflowing class.
It's a very good description of what's wrong with the design. Building a sorcerer should really be straightforward and the simple method should work. Instead, it's an exercise in very carefully considered optimization to make a sorcerer that's functional in the game. Good luck if you want to have a coherent theme at the same time.

>>51705260
>kobold fight club

I ran it and I got Star-Thing of Nheb
CR: 9 XP: 5,000
Primeval Thule Campaign Setting p.247

>>51705266
I should think demigods could do those things at will, rather than twice, then become a shadow of their former selves.

5e class tier rating

Fun to play, useful in/out of combat, well designed tier
Rogue
Wizard
Bard


Useful and mostly satisfying but not quite perfect tier
Druid
Cleric
Paladin

Promising tier
Artificer

Meh tier
Fighter

Poor progression and limited utility tier
Monk
Barb

Could have been much better with minimal effort tier
Warlock
Ranger

Just bad tier
Sorcerer

Pray for a redesign tier
Mystic

>>51705285
Even God had to rest after creating Earth.

>>51705266
He fought a hydra in single combat?

That's CR 8, just in D&D terms, which is still deadly for that party of 4.

>>51705260
>didn't deselect third party

>>51702299
There should be Mystic rework as well

>>51705282
Yeah well that's only 5,000 XP and my guy in CoC killed one with a nuclear warhead this one time and uh so...

>>51705282
>third party

>>51705288
>Rogue

Only if you specific Arcane Trickster, which is better at doing everything the other rogue choices are able to do.

>>51705299
For one day. About the same time that a Wizard must rest.
Except God created a universe and the Wizard created two skeletons.

>>51705322
Why did the wizard go to sleep after only using a single spell slot?

You're a terrible wizard.

>>51705321
How can AT come close to Assasin's damage?

>>51705329
We were talking about a level 5 Wizard. Two level three slots, two spookys.

>>51705333
>Assassin

Ahahahahahahahah

ahahah

literally the worst

hahah

hahahahaha

Don't suppose there's a tool for generating a generic stat block based on XP/CR and what sort of enemy you want it to be?

The Mega can help you FIND levelled enemies and get the CR of a readymade one, but I'm craving something that helps you build one from scratch.

>>51705350
How so?

>>51705322
very few campaigns are going to have the DM drag shit out solely to fuck with one party member

>>51705333
Assassin's are pretty poorly executed. They aren't terrible or anything, but it adds very little to the base Rogue kit.

>>51705333
>muh damage

>>51705343
But that's God, not a demi-god. Hercules can't even make one spooky.

So I went down on the path of creating a campaign
of guns&sorcery.
The problem I came across was that by using DMG guns melee and STR characters become completely nonviable and have no idea how to fix this.
Help?

>>51705288
>sorcerer
>below the fucking WARLOCK

>>51705350
Yes and no. Depends how generous the DM is with Surprise rounds. If you multiclass into something with extra attack, and dual wield, you can get in three criticals before the enemies have had a chance to do anything.

>>51705368
And a level 5 wizard gets ogred by a Hydra or Medusa.

>>51705226
Also use the only save-or-die in the game, which also isn't a spell so it bypasses most forms of magic resistance

>>51705040
Healing word is fine

Absolutely no other means of healing is, only healing word. Because bonus action

>>51705148
So... skilled feat?

>>51702771
Simple:

Sorcerer:
>All metamagic is learned at once.
>Hp die is a d8 (Bard gets a d8 and proficiencies)
>The levels where you'd gain metamagic normally give some utility features instead.


Bladelock:
>Attacks with the pact weapon are melee spell attacks keying of Cha and deal the same damage as EB
>Reaction to strike an enemy entering/exiting your weapon range without the disengage action


Monk:
>d10 Hp die
>FOB is 3 unarmed strikes instead of 2
>Ki enhanced strikes (the feature that lets you ignore non-magic weapon resistance) in addition lets you add your Wis mod in damage once per round on 1 unarmed strike that hits a target.


As for Wot4E:
>make it the AT/EK of monks that learns from the sorcerer spell list.
>Higher level features let you focus on one or more damage types or ki fuelled metamagic.

>>51703302
I feel like Vengeance/War would try to take control of conquest's Army for some purpose, and Treachery/Famine would try to selfishly control food supplies, hoarding it for themselves against coming shortages, and making the whole thing worse. They might even end up against each other.

>>51705230
>The high level content is completely fucking bonkers and is not balanced in any sense of the imagination.

I've played with it a little and the thing that makes the least sense to me is how 5e also seemed to coincide with CR shifting of things like liches so that probably not even 1% of games will ever encounter them and if they do they will take them down in a round or two legendary actions aside.

5e has the appearance of a complete game but a lot of things are simply filled in to give the false appearance of round numbers and the illusion of depth. Combined with the lack of official content being put out I wonder what sort of longevity 5e will actually have.

>>51705384
>Absolutely no other means of healing is, only healing word. Because bonus action
Aura of Vitality is also good. Heal is good when you need to remove a condition it fixes anyway, and Mass Healing Word gets up multiple downed allies.

Kinda wish we were getting more spells in UA and books. Even just something that lets you change the damage type of certain spells would be great.

>>51705367
I don't like the archetype, but the autocrit is hard to ignore, mostly for multiclassing purposes though.

>>51705364
>>51705367
>>51705382

>Assassinate ability only kicks in if you beat your target's initiative in the surprise round, even if they are unaware of you when the combat starts

Also going Fighter/Rogue is a better assassin than a pure assassin.

>>51705364
Assassin only get double damage on the first round of combat (if the star align for you ontop of that).

Arcane Trickster get double damage every round after they cast Haste. They can use ready action to attack (and get sneak attack damage) off turn.

>>51705389
>Monk
The biggest problem with monks is that they are stunbots and boring sods of shit outside of combat. Give them some more interesting mechanics instead of trying to fix the meat slab and damage numbers.

>>51704943
>but Animate Dead makes for a damn good subjugated work force.

3e: Just what I always wanted, a work force that CANNOT THINK, LEARN, OR REMEMBER and has no skills.
5e: Hey they can think, learn, and remember now, but just what I always wanted, to burn off all my spell slots for 10-20 peasants worth of labor!

>>51705376
Warlock is a one trick pony but it does that pony very well.

Now that Sorcerer cannot use his Twinned Scorching Ray meme build, he's a no trick pony.

>>51705389
>Bladelock
>Attacks with the pact weapon are melee spell attacks keying of Cha and deal the same damage as EB

So, Lifedrinker from the get-go?

>>51705407
Or you know.. Phantasmal force. Create an illusion of a Wizard casting Hold Monster on the enemy. Enjoy critical hits.

>>51705393
>what sort of longevity 5e will actually have.
I guess this depends on what comes next. If it's a fuckup then it will be retroactively built up but if anything that comes after it is an improvement I honestly can't think of anything to be particularly nostalgic about.

>>51705430
Phantasmal force is my favorite spell and it pains me when DMs don't handle it well or just disregard it.

>>51705393
>and if they do they will take them down in a round or two legendary actions aside.

As well they should... but things become harder when a lich doesn't just blunder into melee combat, exhibiting no sense of tactics.

I mean its a very powerful undead wizard, but its still essentially a wizard. At least let it have a few skeletons or zombies to block a choke point for it first, FFS.

>>51705393
3.5 was only around for 5 years.
4E was around for roughly 5 as well (little longer if you count the playtest)
5E came out in 2014. It only needs to last two more years before they can shit out 6E.

>>51705420
> Twinned Scorching Ray
> not Twinned Haste or Polymorph
> not Heighten Banishment

It's not as good as Divination Wizard but it's there.

>>51705376
Yes, and? See >>51705420

>>51705393
>Combined with the lack of official content being put out I wonder what sort of longevity 5e will actually have.

This is probably the biggest indicator of why 5e will last longer, because they're not falling into the 2e/3e/4e trap of ZOMG SO MANY SUPPLEMENTS

>>51705456
Warlock is routinely rated lower than it should be by people who don't understand that warlocks play like martials.

>>51705444
Nothing in that post says the lich is blundering into melee, try the top tier content yourself if you think it's so great.

>>51705450
Jesus it's been that long since 3.5 came out? Feels like just yesterday I had to deal with a thousand super autistic's playing Wizards.

>>51705407
>>51705430
But AT gets those spells at level 10, right? Getting to that level is far rarer than Assassinate activating.

>>51705456
>create thrall doesn't create a thrall
>armor of agathys is a complete bastardization and is solely hellish rebuke's retarded cousin now
>depends on the DM handing out twice as many rests as the DMG recommends
>bladelock does fuck all

I don't see the point, its especially painful to see how the 5e warlock has fallen in comparison to the 4e warlock.

>>51705466
Splat bloat wasn't a boon for earlier editions but a total dearth of content isn't either.

>>51705487
Level 7 for Phantasmal Force.
Level 13 for Haste.

>>51705474
>try the top tier content yourself if you think it's so great.

Will do.

Actually yeah I can see the lich dying fast, I'm used to everthing in 5e having huge hit points, but the lich has less HP than a vampire.

>>51705174
There isn't much of a balance issue in making it a ring rather than a weapon. If you want you could remove the +2 attack/damage and only keep the spell bonuses. He's a warlock, so the bonuses he'll want are the spell bonuses.

>>51705450
The only short-lived full edition there is 4.

6E isn't coming any time soon.

>>51705495
>but a total dearth of content isn't either.

Luckily 5e doesn't have a total dearth of content. Compare it to 1e, which did quite fine without vomiting forth infinite splats and requiring a god damn backpack full of books.

>>51705512
>The only short-lived full edition there is 4.

And 3e.

Is it just me or are hags totally underrated?

>Seahag
>CR 2
>off-turn fear followed by instant death attack
>3 together share a level 12 caster's repertoire
>compare this to the CR 6, level 9 mage

>>51705532
> Full

>>51705406
That's why you take the Alert feat. Should have high Dex anyway as a Rogue.

Personally I prefer Swashbuckler anyway.

Are there any reference or rules to bombs in the DMG/PHB?

I'm just curious as to what kind of damage a non-magical bomb would cause. Like if some dwarves filled a barrel with gunpowder, or made a big-ass barrel-sized molotov cocktail.

When do they normally drop the UAs?
I always just check late in the day and it's there, so I have no idea what time they actually throw them out.

>>51705558
Only one guy of five in my party got death stared. Then we kept our distance until the paladin kicked her into a hole with a gibbering mouther at the bottom, then closed the hole.

I guess the fight might have been tough if that hadn't happened.

>>51705558
Oh and of course, those seahags have more HP individually than the level 9 wizard, more hp, they may have lair actions (doesn't seem to adjust their challenge rating), and icing on the cake, they are still worth less XP (total).

Hags are pretty nasty and in a lot of ways are a neglected midpoint between orcs/gobbos/hobbos/etc. and giants.

>>51705618
>>51705558
Oh wait, a sea hag as part of a covey is CR 4, nevermind. So yeah, 3 sea hagz will be 3300 xp, vs the mage's 2300. Sounds about right, though I would still say they are going to be very, very tough.

>>51705581
Best rogue archetype tanking is arcane trickster > thief > scout > inquisitor > swashbuckler > shit > mastermind > assassin

>>51705595
Alchemist's fire is a 1d4 sustained over rounds, whereas... regular oil is 5 fire damage, no rolling. The difference is that alchemist's fire doesn't need anything to start the fire and the oil needs an ignition source. Also silly is that alchemist's fire specifies a DC 10 check can put out the flame but for oil, you keep burning until the oil dries (one minute, aka ten rounds).

Oil is oddly superior. That being said, 3.0 and D20 modern used to have dynamite pegged out at about 2d6 per stick, and bundling them in packs of 12 would increase it to 4d6 (instead of increasing the damage per stick).

I'd say 4d6 is pretty reasonable for an exploding barrel. 8d6 is a fucking fireball spell, so.

>>51703520
Fire and acid aren't great damage types, both their attacks are Dex negates which makes them less accurate, and they have only 30' range. Then it's still less damage than sneak attack. You might be able to pull something with 24 hour conjure animal (their construct), but probably not for long enough to matter.

>>51705960
The alchemist archetype is more about utility. The fact that it gets access to consistent damage sources - even if they're not super high damage - is just icing on the cake.

>>51705692
>Thief
>slightly sneakier, can do things in combat that you don't want to do in combat

>Inquisitor
>can see things

>Mastermind
>is essentially the charlatan background
>complements none of the Rogue skillset

Arcane Trickster > Scout = Swashbuckler > Assassin > Inquisitor > Thief > Mastermind

>>51706018
You can use spellcasting scrolls as a rogue.
You can use a holy avenger as a rogue.
You get *an extra turn at the start of every combat*.

Also
>inquisitor over assassin
You fucked up real bad.

>>51705410
Quite fairly only the lvl 10 and onwards features need to be fixed.
Empty body should be replaced by the current capstone while the new capstone should be similar to the Barbarian capstone giving a +4 boost to Dex/Con letting them go over the 20 limit.

>>51706018
>Thief that low

Because stealing the enemy's weapon out of his hand and chugging potions of whateverthefuckyouwant for free is bad.

About to run a game with a known pedant, that tends to get frustrated by little historical inaccuracies.

One of the main ones I'm having trouble with resolving before I run a game for him is the issue of studded leader. No such thing existed and if it did, it wouldn't be very efficient.

But what sort of true-to-history armour fills the same niche as 'studded leather' does in 5e, being the best sort of armour you can wear without hindering your agility and mobility?

>>51705428
No it's way better than lifedrinker.
Your pact weapon has the same damage die as EB and uses Cha instead of Str/Dex for attack/damage rolls.

>>51705692
>swashbuckler that low

Here's the proper order:
AT>Swashbuckler>Thief>Scout>Shit>The rest

>>51706060
>and uses Cha instead of Str/Dex for attack/damage rolls.
RIP Bladelock multiclass.

>>51706072
Swashbuckler is that low because many of it's features only work for melee and melee <<< ranged.

And that's a very very good reason to rank it where it is.

>>51705718
Shit, didn't even think about oil. I've just tried to arrange a deal in-game to buy 2 big barrels of alchemist's fire for 16,000gp to use as explosives.

Would it be more (cost) effective to buy oil instead?

>>51706054
Brigandine/jack of plates.

Basically leather armor with little armor plates inside of it. Still silent, still mobile.

>>51706097
>pretty much constant sneak attacks
>initiative boost
>can charm people/pull enemies around
>almost never need to disengage

Swashbuckler has the best synergy with actual Rogue combat features.

>>51706109
I really enjoyed how in The Complete Warlock, that although its rated as a weak armor, leather and plate is damn good.

>>51704030
>Why can't Sorcerers just BE?
They can, according to the book. It's the shitty players who keep replacing Origins with Bloodlines.
5e sorcerous origin
>Any superhero.
PF sorcerous Bloodline
>Kryptonian.

>>51706103
Alchemists fire is way, way over priced for what it does. The only unique property it has over oil is simply combusting on contact when you throw a vial of it. If you're going to blow it up yourself with fire bolt or an arrow set on fire or something, you should be able to buy WAY MORE barrels of oil for 16,000 gp

>>51706128
The initiative boost is Cha based and making it any significant number makes you MAD.

The "hey guys I can SA even if no one is there" is hardly ever relevant in an intelligent party that utilizes any modicum of combat tactics or if you have half a brain and can use terrain and cover to hide and give yourself advantage, and when it is *you're a rogue in melee and not at range*.

It's like bladelock - it encourages you to do suboptimal shit.

>>51706145
Awesome. I'll look kind of dumb to my group for going back to the criminal fence and being like "actually, can we... uh... Oil instead" but it'll be easier to get the gold for that.

>>51706159
I'm actually playing a Bladelock/Swashbuckler kek

To be fair though, it synergises VERY well. Hex + perma-SA + dual wielding + extra attack + high dex, and later, CHA boost from Lifedrinker.

Almost tempted to take a dip into something with Two Weapon Fighting to get my +5 Dex boost to the second weapon.

>>51706162
You could play it off with a Bluff roll and claim you were asking for Al Kemist, the famous Oil Baron's "fire", aka oil.

>>51706182
>[badly-drawn laughing meme face.jpg]

I'll give it a go. Thanks anon.

>>51706180
MAD, melee when you could be ranged, lack of HP to safely sustain in melee, dropping caster levels for rogue, dropping rogue levels for caster
I am triggered

>>51705595
>>51705718
>>51706103
>>51706145
>>51706182
>>51706193

The BBEG in my campaign is an alchemist/necromancer who rigs zombies up with bombs and basically IRA/Jihads villages and kingdoms that he holds grudges against.

It's actually really hard to deal with. I'm afraid he's going to start making like zombie-crow-grenades.

>>51706208
That's hilarious. I wish I had more caster levels so I could raise undead and do the same.

>>51706128
>>51706159
>>51706097
>>51706072
I'm agreeing with ranged>melee anon here.

While swashbuckler is a great choice for a melee rogue, it's a simple fact that melee is still a bad fucking choice.

Crossbow mastery hand crossbow rogue is easily better in that you shouldn't have to disengage in the first place. Your only issue is having teammates that're actually next to targets or having a way to grant yourself advantage, in which case you'll have to sacrifice a bonus action to use the 'hide' action.

If you want to be a melee rogue and be as good as or better than a ranged rogue, you have to fully utilitize grappling(multiclassing)/BB or GFB (Arcane trickster or multiclassing or magic initiate)/Prone or wolf barbarian or melee-only-boosts (Requires teammate synergy)/Disengagement to make up for the problems of being in melee (Swashbuckler OR grappling multiclasses can also do this simply by shoving enemies OR just use your bonus action if you don't need it or don't need to dash OR... Shadow monk multiclasses or other multiclasses, or the mobile feat, or... There are a lot of ways of doing this, swashbuckler is hardly the only good choice)/Knowing when to use ranged attacks anyway/Shields since you can't use those with ranged weapons (Multiclassing)

Basically, swashbuckler isn't bad, but it's rogue: easymode.

AT >>Thief>Swashbuckler>Assassin>Shit>EverythingElse
Unless you're new to 5e, in which case swashbuckler is the best.

>>51702217
So is Favored Soul the dnd Oracle equivalent?

>>51706208
I would do this but there's no way in hell my DM would let me. Or he would, and he'd make the damage pathetically low or some shit to spite me.

>Your zombie explodes and it does 1d6 in a five foot radius

>>51702217
How many feats/ASIs is equal to an extra attack?

Thinking of allowing an exchange in either direction, up to a maximum number of attacks by level.

>>51706226
It's just a sorcerer who can heal.

>>51706229
Pole-arm Master gets you an extra 1d4 attack, so I'd argue a normal extra attack is worth 1.5/2 feats max.

>>51706228
Most DMs would probably make you suffer eternally due to how hellishly expensive it would be.

I consider myself a generous DM but I still see no way around the expense.

>>51706109
Exactly what I treat "studded leather" as.

Now Ring Mail, that's an armor that makes no goddamn sense and would need a more proper replacement for....

>>51706229
My guts feeling say 2 ASI

>>51706226
It's pretty good is what it is. Not as good as shadow but still very solid as an archetype.

>>51706236
yes... at the cost of a reaction or bonus

>>51705558
>hags
>underrated
Nigga sea hag it's shit, but night hag and green hag are pretty strong
Plus if you play CoS you can get the fight of the bone grinder which you fight against a coven (cr 10 i think)
And if that's not enough you can fight baba lyssaga too

>>51705414
All your spell slots, with necromancer school, is like 120 something undead. You're fine.

>>51706237
Expensive how?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=8wW5KR1pDxs

If you're letting the player be an alchemist who isn't an idiot, it's pretty easy to use zombies to blow up peasants and then use the dead peasants to make more gunpowder to make more zombies. It snowballs really well, considering you could probably kill a few peasants with one zombomb.

>>51705508
That's why the lich has a phylactery and hides it very well. You kill it once, sure, but then it comes back knowing your strengths and weaknesses.

>>51706271
>You can sacrifice all your spell slots to do what a level 2 character with pocket change could do
>once I was a mover and shaker of the cosmos
>my peers are leading their armies to slaughter everything in their path
>me? now I babysit skeletal peasants to do menial chores except they're significantly dumber and more useless

BRILLIANT

>>51706290
I didn't realize pocket change would let you have an army of 120 zombies that don't need to sleep, eat, rest, won't complain, disobey, etc.

A peasant isn't going to scoop away hot tar with his bare hands because you offered him 2 sp. And you can't trust them not to snitch about your underground lair that you just built with slavepower.

Also you could set up a computer made out of undead, ala Deep Rot.

>>51706268

>Nigga sea hag it's shit

A 3300 xp sea hag covey is going to fuck up a LOT of parties, everyone must make 3 will saves and then they can turn the party into an instant death shooting gallery. Plus, all them spells.

>>51706279
>who isn't an idiot
Newsflash, by modern standards, fucking Leonardo da Vinci would be considered an idiot due to his lack of knowledge (even if our knowledge only stems from our easy access to wikipedia and search engines).

Just because we're aware of how to make gunpowder, doesn't mean that alchemists from a fictional time period based on a variety of periods of Medieval Europe would be able to. It's completely at the DM's discretion.

And to be honest, I wouldn't allow any player character to cheaply make a non-magical substance which they can use to solve nearly all of their combat-related problems.

>>51706325
>Warforged exist and were made by people
>Alchemist is literally a class that can make guns that don't even NEED gunpowder
>A wizard that knows how to raise the fucking dead can't figure out how to get saltpeter from piss

>>51706279
Oh Christ, its a "mix RL physics + spells" pleb. How fucking impossibly new are you? Gunpowder hasn't worked in most D&D settings for decades. Go Major Create neutronium somewhere else.

>>51704030
Stop playing pathfinder and you can.

>>51706300
Oh boy, "not complaining" is sure worth not having to spend pitiful pocket change in an edition where there is almost nothing to spend even very large sums on. As far as exploits go, expending vast amounts of spell slots to save truly boring and unimpressive amounts of cash on par with "life hack: save money on inns by sleeping in a pile of dirt under a bridge!"

>A peasant isn't going to scoop away hot tar with his bare hands because you offered him 2 sp.

You can, on the other hand, get him a shovel for 2 sp, and he doesn't need to be babysat continuously, lets you know if something is going wrong, etc.

>Also you could set up a computer made out of undead, ala Deep Rot.

That wasn't interesting the first time, and you need a lot more than 120 skeletons for that.

>>51704488
>heal yourself with spells
Nigga what arcane class gets heal spells besides bard?

Anyone know any good S&S/Conan-esque 5E premade campaigns?

>>51706378
favored soul.
any sorcerer with cleric or bard multiclass.

>>51704915
>cast magic initiate infinitely
Read the dang book before claiming things are broken.

>>51706218
>Crossbow expert hand crossbow rogue
>SA+1d6+Dex
>advantage from cover
>1 chance to hit
>can only shoot one because you need a free hand to reload
>no need to run or disengage

>melee Swashbuckler
>SA+1d6+Dex+1d6
>2 chances to hit, no advantage
>free disengage when 1v1

I can't say I'm seeing a huge amount of difference. But then, I AM new to 5e. Where's the plus from crossbows apart from having a bit more range?

>>51705009
Specialized humans have a feat. Every village is gonna need at least one ritual caster, and probably have a few magic initiates, wizard school dropouts or maybe just self-taught dabblers.

>>51706339
>physics only get applied in D&D when I want them to!

Please. There's oil which also works fine for explosions, and is purchasable in the book for peanuts. You could also drill for oil yourself, or transmute it, if you have such a hard-on against gunpowder. What are you going to do, ban lamp oil?

>>51706376
You don't need to babysit your undead anymore. I don't know when the last time you played D&D was, but it wasn't 5E.

>>51706406
> advantage
> 1 chance to hit
what did he mean by this?

>>51706376
One hectopeasant for another, i'd rather have the one immune to death and fear effects.

>>51706439
Okay. All large or bigger enemies all get severely nerf due to square-cube law now. Thanks physics.

>>51706406
Crossbow expert says you ignore loading quality. You get as many shots as you have attacks.

>>51706454
That's not the point anon. The feat doesn't ignore ammunition quality, so you can't dual wield it for a bonus attack.

>>51706450
I'm okay with this. If they're non magical.

The magical ones use magic to suppress the effects.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here though. Combustion works in D&D. Oil exists, and it explodes. What exactly about physics in D&D prevents gunpowder from combusting but allows oil to do so? What lets thunderstones blow up?

If it's magic, then magic gunpowder or a likewise substance should be fine. If magic is somehow preventing the existence specifically of gunpowder and gunpowder combustion, then make oil bombs. I'm just curious to your reasoning here.

>>51706337
>Warforged exist and were made by people

On accident, and using magic, resulting in a kind of minor artifact.

>Alchemist is literally a class that can make guns that don't even NEED gunpowder

Yes, a wholly optional and obscure subclass that can't mass produce guns is proof that people can make gunpowder in the setting.

>A wizard that knows how to raise the fucking dead can't figure out how to get saltpeter from piss

Is probably not possible at all in the setting, but keep trying to combine magic + RL science knowledge.

>>51706337
Warforged were made entirely through magical processes.
Artificers creature items through mostly through magical processes as well.
Ask a surgeon to write a Hello, World! program in C for you, without letting them look anything up.

Wizards are masters of magical knowledge and lore, not mundane sciences. Alchemist's fire is as close as they can magically get to gunpowder.

Sometimes DMs don't want to deal with their players trying to kick-start a renaissance or an industrial revolution every campaign. The moment you let a wizard casually produce gunpowder is the moment you've given that wizard a tool that they will proceed to try and solve every single encounter with.

>>51706465
>physics only get applied in D&D when I want them to!

Totally right back at you brah.

>>51706468
Oil bombs.

>>51706406
The real difference is that melee is a lot more fun than ranged. Swashbuckler is definitely my favorite rogue subclass so far, it feels great to dance around the battlefield shouting insults at the enemies while they're locked in melee with the paladin. I can't wait to grab Magic Initiate and combine Panache with Booming Blade.

And also
>free disengage when 1v1 or 1v2, because you're dual-wielding

>>51706462
So you have two handcrossbow attacks, one rapier attack.

>>51706439

>physics only get applied in D&D when I want them to!

Your argument is quite literally "physics get applied in D&D when you want the to." Not how it works.

>>51706444
One hectopeasant requires a laughably small amount of pocket change.
Another requires voiding all your mid to high spell slots.
Such a hard decision.

>>51706465

Gunpowder is a thing in D&D only at the DM's discretion. Gunpowder not working in all campaign settings is straight from Appendix N, dude. Christ.

You are a munchkin AND a newfag. Sad!

>>51706468
>>51706471
How do you deal with the existence of oil then?

Gunpowder is not any more powerful than a Fire Bolt. It's like saying the moment you let a wizard casually take Fire Bolt is the moment you've given him a tool that he'll try to solve every encounter with.

>B but you can't make barrels of fire bolt

You can literally get a bunch of boulders and push them off a ledge to crush an encounter to death too if you wanted.

You guys act like gunpowder is going to suddenly destroy the entire fucking D&D multiverse somehow.

Explosive Runes exist. Fireball exists.

>>51706475
That's perfectly fine, but don't expect it to be for free.

>>51706492
It's less than 1 sp a pint.

>>51706406
>Hand crossbow rogue
>SA+2d6+2xDEX at a range of about 30ft normally
>Can shoot as often as you fucking like because even without crossbow mastery you only make one shot per action/bonusaction/etc
>No reaction attacks

>Melee swashbuckler
>SA+1d6+1d6+Dex
>Same number of chances to hit, harder to get advantage from hiding but easier to get advantage from things like prone
>Running 30ft after disengagemelee will probably still get your shit smacked if enemies move 30ft to chase you

I forgot one of the best things about melee swashbucklers, they threaten a pretty decent reaction attack since they can often get sneak attack even on a reaction attack. But then, I guess monsters are probably fine with hitting you instead.

>>51706484
I love that all of these are on the same comment. Explains so much.

>>51706242
Ring Mail is just riveted mail anon.

>>51706481
No you don't the hand's not free.

>>51706485
>How do you deal with the existence of oil then?

D&D has virtually always had two bizarre chemistry fiats:
1. Molotov cocktails are plentiful and cheap.
2. Gunpowder generally doesn't work and more often you need "smoke powder." This is straight from Appendix N, if it harms your delicate sensibilities.

>Gunpowder is not any more powerful than a Fire Bolt

Of course it is. Why do you lie, out of curosity?

>It's like saying the moment you let a wizard casually take Fire Bolt is the moment you've given him a tool that he'll try to solve every encounter with.

No its not. Why do you lie? You want gunpowder so you can stack a bajillion gunpowder charges unto themselves and destroy everything. That is why you are a cancerous munchkin. Difference between a munchkin and a mere powergamer is that a munchkin throws temper tantrums about wanting the DM to houserule *in his favor*, and then uses the houserule to break the game.

Definitely the lowest form of RPG life. What's worse, is your analogies are shit.

>You can literally get a bunch of boulders and push them off a ledge to crush an encounter to death too if you wanted.

Fine with me.

>You guys act like gunpowder is going to suddenly destroy the entire fucking D&D multiverse somehow.

That's your goal, yes.

>durr let me stack 1000 castings of fire bolt with my homebrew!

No.

>>51706484
>argues that paying peasants is more effective than using zombies
>but buying lamp oil to make bombs is being a munchkin

>>51706520
Gunpowder isn't more powerful than a Fire Bolt. Please show me where I lied.

>No its not. Why do you lie? You want gunpowder so you can stack a bajillion gunpowder charges unto themselves and destroy everything.

Please show me where I stated that. Ever. I agree with this man>>51705718 where a barrel bomb would be 4d6. This is less than a Fireball.

My goal is not to destroy the multiverse. You are literally an autistic faggot.

>>51706481
You need a free hand to attack with weapon with ammunition property.

again. "ammunition" property, not "loading" property.

>>51706519
Then literally how is the feat supposed to work, it says you can dual wield a light-one handed and a crossbow, and the crossbow ignores loading.

If you can't shoot the crossbow twice, why ignore loading?

If you can't do both with your hands full, why let you dual wield?

>>51706532
>here a barrel bomb would be 4d6.

And, you know... nearly for free.

>>51706520
>wildly accuse someone of being a liar and a cancerous munchkin

Hahahah holy shit this nigga got a persecution complex large enough to have its own GDP.

>>51706535
> I know RAI better than the author who created them

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/sageadvice_feats

>>51706543
How is it for free?

He'd need to spend a shitload of time getting the barrels, evaporating/treating the piss, harvesting the salt peter, the sulphur, the charcoal, refining it, making the barrels, transporting the barrels...

Or I could just be a wizard and throw a fireball. Or I could cast explosive runes on something.

You're overreacting like a fragile manbaby.

>>51706535
Hand crossbows are light one-handed weapons.

But you couldn't reload your hand crossbow if you had something in your other hand.

And you can't use two-weapon-fighting with ranged weapons.

Basically you use the extra attack from the hand crossbow to make another hand crossbow attack.

>>51706535
> It says you can dual wield a light-one handed and a crossbow

Where the hell does it say that anon?

> When you use the Attack action and attack with a one handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a hand crossbow you are holding.

It doesn't say DUAL WIELD anywhere. It let you attack with the same hand crossbow twice.

>>51706522
One is hiring menial workers to do menial work that nobody cares about is more efficient than using nearly all of a high level caster's spell slots to do it.
The other is bleating at the DM in the hopes he will give you a house rule you can then use to make the game more static, less interesting and overall far easier.

>>51706535
>>51706553
>>51706561

The solution to this is to just have a bunch of preloaded hand crossbows strapped all over your body, duh.

>>51706485
Oil is relatively weak, whereas there are no rules for exactly how powerful gunpowder would be.

Every pint of oil causes a 5-foot-square area to burn for 2 rounds, dealing 5 fire damage to any creature that enters the area or ends its turn in the area. I really don't mind that. It's hard for an asshat to optimize something like that without wasting resources that are better used doing other things.

Gunpowder is an unknown quantity, that would require the DM to stat - and probably not in a vacuum, since the sort of asshat that likes to optimize use of explosives would try to push to make it as powerful as possible.

You either make it as weak as oil, so that optimizing it is a waste of time or you make it "realistically" powerful, in which case you've just introduced a substance to your game which will change everything forever.

To prove this, let's hear how you would stat gunpowder. Come on, tell us how powerful you think gunpowder would be.

How much damage would a 1lb cartridge do to a creature in the same 5-foot-square area as it when it explodes?
How much damage would a full barrel of the stuff do, what would the radius be, etcetera?

Give us this information on how you think gunpowder should be statted and we'll tell you whether it would be a waste of time using it at all (like oil is) or whether it would absolutely destroy a campaign and revolutionize warfare in the campaign setting.

>>51706567
Except oil exists, isn't a house rule, and doesn't make anything easier.

Also, as a DM, I would probably make the peasants refuse/complain/demand food, etc, because they're peasants. There's nothing efficient about hiring unskilled laborers to do dangerous work. Zombies are literally a dream employee.

>>51706571
> Rogue
> not wearing a suit made of knifes, belts and zippers

>>51706579
He already told you here >>51706532 which cites >>51705718

Basically d20/3.0 rules for dynamite.

2d6 for a single 'charge', capping at 4d6. He never specified using it to make guns, cannons, etc. Just barrel bombs. Presumably inspired by >>51706208

>>51706558
'just' be a wizard, a class requiring minimum years of studu, followed by adventure to level 5.

Its a long standing idea that effort, training, and practice gate destruction in d&d.

>>51706553
THEN WHAT DOES THE FEAT DO THAT YOU CAN'T ALREADY DO?!

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>>51706561
>nd you can't use two-weapon-fighting with ranged weapons
NIGGA IT SAYS RIGHT THERE IN THE FEAT. TWF WITH 1 LIGHT WEAPON AND ONE CROSSBOW.

>>51706579
If you're so worried about it, why don't *you* suggest reasonable rules for gunpowder that aren't

- a waste of time
- doesn't absolutely destroy a campaign

I frankly as a DM will allow my players all the gunpowder they want, because it will NEVER be as good as magic. Even fireball becomes shit at higher levels, and gunpowder isn't even close to fireball in terms of potency.

>>51706618
It doesn't say TWF at all brah. You are delusional.

>>51706564
So then you get 3 crossbow shots from one crossbow, without TWF? That's even better.

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>>51706571
History confirms this is a good idea.

>>51706618
It's not TWF. That is not TWF. It's similar to TWF, however.

This is making a hand crossbow attack after making an attack with a one-handed weapon such as a hand crossbow.

>>51706625
gunpowder leads to mundane explosives and guns, which change the nature of a setting by existing.

>>51706605
...but the original post was explaining how *wizards*, specifically alchemists, would be the ones creating gunpowder. Which makes sense to me, seeing as how they're the ones studying, training, etc.

Like what kind of PC Alchemist can't make exploding dust? It's embarrassing to think that a level 5 PC specializing in alchemy will never actually achieve any remotely substantial progress in the field of chemistry.

>>51706628
>all those loaded guns pointing into him
>one of them pointing at his crotch
N O P E
O
P
E

>>51706637
But there's already mundane explosives and guns in the setting.

>>51704043
that sounds like hell, if i wanted to care that much about travelling i would go back playing AD&D

>>51706606
It let you shoot at melee without penalty.
It let you use extra attack with crossbows.
It gives you one more attack if you use hand crossbow.

>>51706618
You should actually read PHB.
> When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you're holding in one hand, you can use a bonus action to atlack with a different light melee weapon that you're holding in the other hand.
> LIGHT MELEE WEAPON
> MELEE