Horus Heresy General

This thread made me bitter.

>>51701265
You've saved us, we're grateful.
Also, what's that Reaver's gun?

>>51701363

Are you an Iron Warrior?

Help me choose a 30k army, /hhg/.

I don't particularly like vehicles and actively dislike using transports in particular. From what I understand, HH has become nearly as vehicle-heavy as modern 40k. With this in mind, what legion would be best for running a mostly infantry list that can still combat vehicles in a reliable manner?

>>51701517

Space Wolves, World Eaters or Death Guard. They're the mostly-Infantry legions.

>>51701538
What are their anti-tank tactics?

>>51701265
New scan of the book is where?

>>51701517
Alpha Legion or Raven Guard, WE are also good but get shit on by artillery and IW/IF are also good with blobs if you give each blob a fortification as a means to move up a bit and not get shit on by arty.

AL/RG are your best bets, 60 marines with apothecaries in your deployment zone turn 1 aint no laughing matter.

>>51701549

Heavy Support Squads, or deep-striking Meltabomb units/Dreads.

Death Guard in particular can get relentless Heavy Support Squads for Mobile firepower with the right Rite of War.

>>51701538
Dreads, HS and SS squads.

>My favorite lists are always a small deathstar, lots of infantry, and less than a handful of dreads or preds to handle anything else.

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Titanicus will save us!.

>>51701557

Three more weeks until the book gets a general release. After that, beg for someone to take a bunch of crummy camera snaps.

>>51701585
Model pix when

>>51701613

Probably the Open Day in May

>>51701569
That's not us, anon, that's our SoH brothers in their Long March.
We do get them as troops in the Reaping though.
>>51701517
"Dynat", Harrowmaster of the AL.
His whole point is to make his infantry and dreads inflict more Explodes! and Sweep advances.
But Mechanicum forces fucking shit Haywire out of every pore.

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>>51701585

>>51701538
>>51701567
Danke.
>>51701569
That does sound nasty.

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What is most important for an infantry army, numbers, firepower, or maneuverability?

Hey there, dumb question from someone who is just getting into 30k (and 40k after a long long hiatus, so pardon my donkey brains here)

How does the RoW Primarch's Chosen interact with the compulsory praetor/centurian tax that the SW have? Does that over ride the requirement, as the primarch must be the compulsory? Or are you simply not allowed to take it?

>>51701646

Can't take it

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>>51701585
Why the fuck can't Knights use two ranged/melee weapons in 30k?!
I want my Gatling hands!

Thanks, wasn't sure.

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Starting work on a Megarachnid army using a modified version of the 4ed nid codex and spider goblin models

>>51701690
I would have been very disappointed if this had any other title. Good job.

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>>51701690
Behold

>>51701644
Numbers, maneuverability is acquired with transports and so is firepower so you want your infantry to be numerous so you can survive the shelling.

If you do play AL then you could infiltrate a bunch of bolter squads to deal with infantry and meltagun squads plus Dynat to deal with Tanks.

You could also use a World Eater Drop Assault Vanguard to come in with a huge ammount of jump infantry turn 1, weather the first round and chop shit up next.

It depends on what you want really.

>>51701713
Post the rules.

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>>51701713
Thin layers for you and all your critters, anon!

>>51701713
Please keep us updated. I love this idea.

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>>51701721

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>>51701713

Here's the only canon image of a Megarachnid. Hope you have it handy for easy reference.

>>51701759
That's a goddammed Tyranid Warrior and MkVII chestpiece

>>51701790

Not quite. Tyranids only have 6 limbs. 2 for combat, 2 for walking and an extra set for weapons. A Megarachnid has 8 legs. The front 4 are bladed like Tyranid ones for combat, the other 4 are for walking on.

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>>51701860
Where do the Siege Tyrants lie, anon?
>I stiill love this Perty

think 30 combi plasma mordaethyn are enough to rape cuckstodes or should i run 40 of them?

>>51701517
With AL you can do some funny things with infantry. What would you think about 20 breachers with 4 grav-guns and apothecary that infiltrates, which also has a vigilator attached to it so the whole unit has Stealth and can Scout even closer.
Field this with the Recon Company ROW for Shrouded on top of the Stealth and it becomes even more hilarious. That's 20 marines with a 4+ cover in the open, invulnerable save, FnP and enough grav guns to shit on any vehicle that isn't a spartan or bigger. Want to charge it ? Well even Red Butchers are going to get stuck on them, breaching shields means defensive grenades so only 2 attacks each, and then they have to get through the 5++ and FnP. Give the breacher sergant a breaching charge and you can even one-shot most 2W terminators.

>>51701890
>combi plasma
Why give Rending to a plasma gun?

>>51701912
so they can rape knights and drednaughts too. also id be running decap so theyd get preferred enemy against my unkillable tribune build

>>51701902
Holy crap.
>>51701723

So it sounds like Alphas are the way to go, then.

>>51701879
That's some nice mki armour you got their Mr. Stark

>>51701890
Veteran tacticals with combi-plasmas and sniper is where it's at. Give no fucks about toughness because the bolter still wounds on 4+, 'rending', and if the cuckstodes get close you can still try to bury them in up to 40 attacks on the charge.

>>51701879
Siege Tyrants a best

they got mcQuarrie darth vader helmets

>>51701945
>Veteran tacticals with combi-plasmas and sniper is where it's at.
really? i figure the twink-linked BS5 would be better. also they both have the same number of melee attacks, but cuckstodes would probably kill them first anyway since they strike first.

im thinking even just 20 MDs with combiplasmas could do some major damage to them

What the fuck do traitor legions get to balance out against custodes?

Can /hhg/ help me out with some mathhammer? I'm trying to figure out how Secutarii Peltasts with Rad Carbines compare to their normal guns plus Kinetic Hammershot versus typical 30k targets (so T4 3+, basically). The way I'm visualizing it a S3 gun that wounds twice on 6s is basically just a S4 gun versus T4, but I'm not sure that's right. If it is, that actually means that Rad Carbines do the exact same damage as spending 3ppm on Kinetic Hammershot (and double the cost of the models) on MEQ targets; the only advantage Hammershot has is 6" of range and Rending for 2+ targets.

Since the 40k Peltasts rules don't have Triaros access (yet) I'm really tempted to just build Skitarii Vanguards and give them a more Secutarii-ish paint job so that I can run them either as Vanguards in 40k or Peltasts in 30k. The math working out kind of seals the deal since there's there's not much reason to spring for the kits if they're not really an upgrade. Normally I'd be all about doing the proper conversions but fuck, man, it literally doubles the cost of the infantry in the list.

If I'm doing it wrong, though, and Hammershot is better than Rad Carbines I'll probably still just get the bits.

>>51702008
Cultist allies.

As for non-specific stuff: Vindicators. Rending sniper flamer vets. Etc.

>>51702008
alpha legion infiltrating like 40x plasmagun support squads with alphameme giving them preferred enemy.

other than that, nothing.

>>51701930
If rapiers are infantry enough for you, take a few quad mortars with shatter shells. Four Str 8 shots with re-roll penetration really helps mowing down the lighter vehicles.

>>51701945
>if the cuckstodes get close you can still try to bury them in up to 40 attacks on the charge.
You do realize they're I5 and their stupid AP3 spears still make a mockery of power armour, right?
>>51701982
>really? i figure the twink-linked BS5 would be better
>twink-linked
Your autocorrect/muscle memory betrays you, anon-kun :^)

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>>51702008
Death.

>>51702008

You get ADB.

Did any Night Lords rebel and go full loyalist? Would anyone be able to tell what a loyalist Night Lords company looks like?

>>51702062
kek. im thinking
plasma MD > plasma vets
flamer MD > flamer vets
melta vets (+machine killer) > melta MDs

i dont know how regular support squads would stack up compared to them, probably better than vets and MDs 2bh but i dont know.

>>51701982
No Mor Deythan have 1 attack each, 2 for the sergant. Veterans have 2 attacks, every single one of them.

Mor Deythan are better only that one turn they pop their Fatal Strike and use the plasma part of their combi-plasma. Veterans can keep the pressure going.

Also veterans are cheaper.

>>51702018
Rending gun is lame to start with- if I remember correctly, the 4-shot shred gun deals more wounds on TEQs than the rending one does, sheerly from weight of fire.

But as to which you should pick, never underestimate Rad-Carbines, they'll eat Castellax, Thallax, and any pesky MCs for breakfast, as on a six you always get two wounds, and 3 shots a piece is dirty business. As for Anti-Tank, just take Hoplites or something. Mechanicum can already hurt vehicles well, so just get 3-4 mobs of peltasts (just plain ol' vanguard) do deal with blobs/MCs. Q

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>>51702066
That Ultralfarine looks as if in a fighting game.

>>51702107

There are scattered reports, yes.

The former Chief Librarian actually went back to Terra. There was the one Night Lord who is with the XIXth in "The Value of Fear".

>>51702008

IW gets heavy bombardment and discount shadowsword, which is exactly what you need to overwhelm Custodes.
AL gets maximum infiltration and surprise Alpharius.
WE gets a party with Angron.
EC gets surprise flanking and two of the best CC characters in the game.
DG gets to compare the length of their polearms.
NL gets to cry.

>>51702062
>You do realize they're I5
Ofcourse, but if they're close enough that you can charge them you might as well, because if the cuckstodes charge you're even more fucked.

Charge with enough veterans and a decent number should survive to stab some golden wankers.

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>>51702107
>Did any Night Lords rebel and go full loyalist? Would anyone be able to tell what a loyalist Night Lords company looks like?
I'd say yes.
The whole "the galaxy is a big place and some companies were away from their primarchs".
It's how the IW suddenly have like 5000+ loyalists or something.

>>51701538

Aren't NL pretty infantry heavy?

>>51702168
Yeah but NL are only good at bullying those who are weaker than themselves.

>>51702167

IW deployed grand companies all over the galaxy because siege business will always exist. But Night Lords all basically did terrible shit and shared in their primarch's terrible shittiness. So its interesting to me to see a Night Lords company rebel and draw the line somewhere - and exactly where that line falls in the entire spectrum of "terrible shit the Night Lords did".

>>51702168
>>51702187

Their problem is similar to RG but even worse, in that their troops literally do not know how to fight on a level playing field. RG are overspecialized on how to approach a level playing field and will get railed by a hard counter, but all NL do is terror tactics so they fucking disintegrated before the might of the 1st.

>>51701517
Taghmata. I'll even sell you my ~4000 point army for cheap.

>>51702116
>No Mor Deythan have 1 attack each, 2 for the sergant. Veterans have 2 attacks, every single one of them.
right, i forgot MDs didnt get 2 base.
>Mor Deythan are better only that one turn they pop their Fatal Strike and use the plasma part of their combi-plasma. Veterans can keep the pressure going.
yeah but you are going to pop them within 12" since youd just be nuking them turn 1, so follow up isnt a big of a deal since they are going to murder you if you fail anyway.
>Also veterans are cheaper.
yeah like 45 points cheap which is pretty significant. but MDs alpha strike harder and can scout so you know theyll be in nuke range...

i was thinking 20 MDs with plasma and 10 vets with melta and machine killers, just for the extra anti tank if i fight a spartan deathstar... but i dont know if just be better off just running plasma support squads or something

>>51702199
>>51702107
>>51702167
There are at least a few. A big part of the reason the majority went traitor was Konrad getting arrested (though he was ordered to assist in Istvan AFTER that happened, but what the hell), with their mentality being something along the lines of "We became monsters to help you build your empire and this is how you treat us?"
I can image at least a few instead staying loyal because "We became monsters to help build this empire and we'll be damned before we throw everything we've done away to join Horus."

If that makes any sense.

>>51702222
How much is cheap?

I am interested.

>>51701517

Many of the Legions have vehicle light / infantry heavy options. Termie spam goes well with termie friendly legions like IF, DG, and TS. You can run 1 or 2 land raiders in a Primarch-run blitzkrieg with WE, EC, and SW. If you just want to deep strike infantry all over the place, IF, TS, and SoH have formations just for that.

>>51702167

Would you say that loyalist Night Lords would be predominately Terran?

>>51702264

Thats basically true for any loyalist fringe group. Even the RG fringe group which eventually became the Space Sharks chapter didn't rebel against the Emperor and just wanted to be rid of their primarch.

>>51702120
The rough plan for the list was to use Matrix of Ruin Ordo Reductor for maximum synergy, but that limits the amount of Secutarii I can bring. Two Thallax for compulsory since I'm not going to have a Warhound, one unit of Hoplites for anti-tank and to have a place to put the HQs (I have to take a Magos Reductor unfortunately, and I need the Axiarch to give the Secutarii PE), two units of Peltasts, and to put all the Secutarii in Triaros at max size (18 for Hoplites, so the HQs have room) with their anti-cover trinket. I'd like to take more Peltasts, but Matrix of Ruin only has five troops slots, and scoring Triaros in enemy deployment is way too good to pass up when the random mission deployments can be so wacky.

Beyond that I think I have barely enough points for a Krios and a Krios Venator if I don't upgrade the Thallax, or I could upgrade the Magos Reductor instead of one of them so that he's more than a tax paperweight. I'd like to get Vultarax in there eventually, but for 2000 point starting out I think I'd have enough work getting all this stuff built and painted as it is. Three Triaros is a little daunting... those things are huge.

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>>51702199
Well that duty would fall to the Terran veterans of the Eighth, the Emperor's Retribution.
>Because you aren't a dumb insane NL hobo that gets off from fear "just because".
>You aren't misguided vengeance, but righteous retribution.
>You are no night haunter, but an agent of vengeance.
>You are the Eighth.
>Don't fear the sentinel
I used up my only loyalist NL pic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLMuv5dc-rQ

>>51702258
Idk, 500-600? You can email me at throwawayemail748555@gmail, as it's probably best to not do transactions on an Mexican Baske-tweaving Message Board. I can give you my actual email (Contains my name, so i'm not posting it on /tg/) from that one.

>>51702339
Gimme a second.

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>>51701953
Do you have any non-blurry pics?
I want to see who wore it better.
I want to see if those IW who couldn't wait mere 1830410 years to get Tyrants would get embittered :^)

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>>51702339
>it's probably best to not do transactions on an Mexican Baske-tweaving Message Board
Eh, it's your loss, mijito.

Anyone know of any Land Speeder proxies that are as close as possible to the old school 2e ones? Those look dope.

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Can you play shooty Blood Angels in Horus Heresy?

Also, do they still get that sweet gold artificer armour?

>>51702339
>>51702351
Okay, just sent a message.

>>51702405
Yes you can. So many asscannons.

And yes, if you want them to.

>>51702405

Ass-Can spam.

>>51702405
Spam Ass Cannons, put them EVERYWHERE.

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>>51702399
Just convert one from the plastic ones. Even something simple as removing the fender and some of the canopy helps with the visuals.

>>51702420
>>51702423
>>51702426

...Go on...

>>51702405

Heavy support squads with 10 Asscannons. Predators with sponson and pintle asscannons. Deredeos with boob asscannons.

All the asscannons.

>>51702436
What are those dots?

>>51702442
BA can pay 5 points to turn any Heavy Flamer into an Asscannon. ANY Heavy flamer.

There was a dude a year or so ago named AssCanMan who was recasting them, but he died.

>>51702442
Any model with a heavy flamer can exchange it with an Assault Cannon. Predators can exchange their predator cannons for a TL version to get those lovely, lovely Baal Preds.

>>51702464

Sounds like it's cursed.

Some power was never meant to be used.

>>51702442

Blood angels can replace heavy flamers with Assault Cannons across the army. And this is all Heavy Flamers. So a dread with close combat weapons can replace the inbuilt heavy flamers with Assault cannons. you can have heavy support squads with 10 Assault cannons. Predators with sponson assault cannons and a pintle assault cannon. A Deredeo can replace the chest heavy flamers with Assault Cannons.

You can spam assault cannons out the arse AND JUST DROWN THE ENEMY IN ASSAULT CANNON FIRE.

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>>51702405
>Also, do they still get that sweet gold artificer armour?
For their elite formations, I assume.
Hey, Blood Angels get gold as a secondary colour pattern best colour, along with the arguably most sane Primarch and near OP stuff. Obligatory "how can other legions even compare?", SoHs have Catulan black as a secondary to their Verdigris, so do Salamander's Obsidian Forged stuff, so do Imperial Fists' Templar Brether and quite possibly Word Bearers too, along their formerly-elite red Blessed Children in the granite legion.

Do other legions have secondary non-Destroyer colour schemes?

>>51702452
Rivets?

>>51702464
Puppets war sells some minigun barrels you can slap onto shit like heavy bolters.

>>51702420
>>51702423
>>51702426
>>51702447

I'll rephrase that, can I play a more rounded army without relying on spam that may get nerfed in the coming weeks?

>>51702471
>>51702464
>There was a dude a year or so ago named AssCanMan who was recasting them, but he died.
Wtf happened to him?
Was it...Signus?

>>51702316

Are they still around in 40k? If so, do they still use the legion colors? I could use them as an excuse to play normal Marines instead of CSM.

>>51702494

>can I play a more rounded army without relying on spam that may get nerfed in the coming weeks

I'm still waiting for a rules update for IF, and their rules are way back in book 3. You will not have to worry about rules changes at all.

>>51702508

It doesn't sound very fun for my opponent though.

>>51702503

Just make your own special fluff chapter.

>>51702503
NL in the Traitor Legions book are pretty decent, though.

>>51702471
>>51702499
I was the asscanman.

Mould wore out, so I stopped giving a shit. I only made ~75 of them anyways.

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>>51702503
I was going to say no, but there's the Blood Ravens and Silver Skulls, so it's literally up to you, anon.
Try to make them not murderhobo-looking and you're golden, and I'll tell you this:

You can love the Emperor with all your loyalist heart and still wear all manner of grim trophies and shit.

Shabran Darr was a fucking berzerker and wore the heads of his enemies on his backpack spikes...but was loyal to the end, and Morturg was fucking glad to have him on his side..

>>51702517

If your opponent was a poorfag living off infantry spam? Yeah sure I guess. But your assault cannon spam will be mid tier at best - which is really where you want to be as far as competitive HH is concerned.

>>51702531

You needed more than 75?

>>51702146
>EC gets two of the best CC characters in the game.

Eidolon will eat shit to a generic Custodes HQ every single time and Fulgrim is so outclassed by Russ it isnt even funny

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>>51702525
>NL in the Traitor Legions book are pretty decent, though.
What do you mean?
The only decent NL are the Eighth, all others are fucking coward bullies.
All of them, except for one...

>>51702554

>Eidolon will eat shit to a generic Custodes HQ every single time and Fulgrim is so outclassed by Russ it isnt even funny

Good thing its a team game where team strategies matter.

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>>51702405

>>51702560
rules wise

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>>51702436
>All that effort
>Doesnt even file off the Aquila

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I really want to start a thousand sons army because of memes alone.

>>51702534
S6 Rending can hurt multitude of vehicles as well.

>>51702548
I sold them. I didn't even play BA.

>>51702578

How about multiple Spartans and Leviathans?

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>>51702575
Kek, look at this autist.
He doesn't know everyone can wear non-Palatine Aquilas.

>>51702584
He lives!

You still recasting?

>>51702565
what the fuck does that even mean

>>51702575
>Autism: The Post
>https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-FR/Storm-Eagle

>>51702596

It means don't be flaming retard and feed single units to a Custodes HQ

>>51702599
the only parts with the aquilla are the stormraven bits

>>51702604
>he doesnt know that a cuckstode deathstar will kill an entire EC army ez

>>51702604
Theres this thing in the game called challenges

Which EC have to accept.

>>51702518
>>51702533

I'd rather use something that actually exists, though. Maybe I'm autistic, but I think making up random fluff is a copout. However, if there's still a group of Loyalist NL that get sent out for vengeance mission, I'd be cool with it.

>>51702525

Eeeehhhh, not really, especially because it's built upon a shitty Codex, and unlike say DG, the bonuses don't quite make up for those flaws.

Fear is worthless because everything you'd want to use it on is either immune or you're hitting on 3s anyway with Eldar being the exception.

Nigh vision is only useful IF you have night fighting and IF you have guns in range.

Raptor Talons are ok as a core, but fundamentally weak in its own and you still need an aux and need to deal with not having ObSec. Taking a Warband is still better, but then you can't take a Talon without needing another aux, which gets points bloated.

Raptor troops are better, but then you lose out on free NF and rerolling charges, though they're still better than basic CSM, especially with stealth.

Stealth is the best thing they have going for them, which is pretty decent unless you play against Tau.

I prefer their legion rules, and would be satisfied if I could use them with CSM.

>>51702628
So send some chucklefuck sergeant at him?

Or better yet, shoot his expensive transports and move around him.

>>51702604
Dude, the only way I can even think about Removing Custbabs is through multiple simultaneous Medusae (IW/Reductor) or using TS-tier witchery.
That's like removing wine stains with mud.

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>>51702575

> getting tiggered by an aquila, which canonically is on shitloads of vehicles from all Legions in 30k
> NOT getting tiggered from the huge crux terminatus on the shoulderplate, which is Loyalist-only and Scouring-era at the very earliest

If you have to be pedantic, at least be pedantic about the right shit.

>>51702612
And FW didn't file them off for your 30k autism.

And they put aquilas on their MkII suits. And the dickbikes. It's almost like aquilas aren't such a big deal. Being the fucking imperial logo, after all.

>>51702632
Take a spawn aux. Cheapest decurion in the game.

Pair auto-night-fighting with an Alpha Legion warband + spawn for 2+ cover AL infiltrators slapping their cocks all over the opponent turn one.

>>51702636
>Dont get into melee while playing a legion who's defining characteristic is melee combat

Brilliant

>>51702669

why post in warhammer threads if you don't even play the game?

>>51702471
Just talk to DA/WS/GravBiker players. They've probably got tons of them around from all the Ravenwing Battleforces they picked up.

>>51702676
hes right. EC have no counter to cuckstodes

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>>51702632
>Maybe I'm autistic, but I think making up random fluff is a copout
Aight. I'll be sure to notify Forgeworld :^)
In the meanwhile, you can say the Crimson sons are still reaping traitor scum, wearing non-lightning navy blue and getting mistaken with rather creepy eyes-bleeding Ultramarines in ancient and field-repaired armour.

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>>51702632
The biggest slap in the face to NL players is that Black Legion actually pulls off Raptor Talons better. They can actually deepstrike and charge turn 1.

>>51702595
no.

>>51702684
vindicator

>>51702734
>3" unit coherency and a rerollable 5++
hope you brought 9 vindicators :^)

>>51702701

SoH are just better than NL
Every Legion is just better than NL
Quite frankly you should be grateful NL rules aren't just plain +modifiers against Imperial Army and -modifiers every everything else because everything else isn't scared of them

>>51702653

But that's not a Night Lords army?

>>51702701

Yea. That's pretty annoying, actually.

>>51702686

At least FW is GW. Some random dude claiming his dudes are actually these more powerful dudes because "It's my fluff xDd" is stupid.

>>51702751

At least 30k NL feel like NL, though.

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>Want to build small SW force to ally with my First Angels
>Want a Speaker of the Dead leading Deathsworn
>All with orange mohawks full Dorf Slayer style
>No real way to do this and small
Further proof that the VIth are just 5 mistakes short of being a real legion.

>>51702632
>Fear is worthless because everything you'd want to use it on is either immune
Making ATSKNF literal was among the dumbest mistakes GW has made recently. Why make a new USR that's completely worthless in the grand scheme of things?

>>51702778
>lol I don't like how allied detachments work
>That makes this one hot bed topic legion suck!

>>51702794

Fear should just give -1/+1 to hit in melee.

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>>51702747
>hope you brought 9 vindicators :^)
How did you know! :^)

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Anyway, here's my latest with some color fixes to bring down the warmth my camera loves to add. I probably just need a non-white background.

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>>51702772
>Some random dude claiming his dudes are actually these more powerful dudes because "It's my fluff xDd" is stupid.
But that's the thing, though.
They aren't more powerful than the enemy.
The hosts of the Dark Gods have the warp aiding their cause, while the remnants of the Eighth are alone in the dark.
Marked for death by the traitors.
Bitter blood between erstwhile brothers.
Distrusted by the Imperium they're trying to defend, whom chases them for "interrogation" purposes.

In a galaxy of monsters, post-humans and literal daemons, they know themselves to be no better than those who would love to claim them, and they bleed every day.

But they keep going.

Because they must.

Because they know the greatest sacrifice isn't dying for the Emperor

It's living for Him.

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A couple threads ago this old Alpha Legion fluff was posted as a tearful reminder of how cool they once were. Wasn't it just reprinted verbatim in Traitor Legions? If it's the most recent canon why are you complaining?

>>51702811
I'm mostly just miffed that there's no way to ally in a Priest of Fenris because they can't be compulsory HQ's.

And because Centurions don't have Warrior's Mettle having one join a Grey Slayer pack shuts down their gimmick.

And because the SC's don't RAW meet the HQ requirements, a three unit allied detachment with Deathsworn really just doesn't work.

>>51702922
Yet they still sent out watch packs to every fucking legion, as if they were the Commissars of the galaxy.
I wonder how much witchery can an allied detachment of TS contain.

>Yet they still sent out watch packs to every fucking legion, as if they were the Commissars of the galaxy.

No better Legion to play space policeman than a Legion full of military police.

>>51702882

I think that's why I like NL. They're bad guys, they know their bad guys, and they don't pretend to be better than anyone else

>>51702986
Space Wolves, Super Trooper Blue Falcons.

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Have you ever made a unit?

Post em!

>>51703011

There should be SW rhinos that are basically designed like police cars, with the flashing lights on the top.

>>51702986
Flashing lights LED backpack when?

>>51702986
>No better Legion to play space policeman than a Legion that needs even more space policemen for their own guys than the WE or NL
Yeah, I still sort of don't trust you.
Also, this is the Imperium, learn to speak Gothic for Empra's sake.

>>51703010
That's certainly why I like them. That, and the fact that they remind me of the old Rogue Trader fluff for marines in general.
"If not a disciplined killer, at least a controllable one."

>>51703026
I made a firewing RoW and posted it three times

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>>51703026
>allied to Eldar
Let's say I like that you take the initiative to be creative, and leave it at that.

>>51703011
SW are more beerfest than super troopers.

Just look at what happened when Geigor died. Bjorn just strolled up and was like "I'mm a be the same character, doing the same thing, with the same nickname."

>>51703046

>Also, this is the Imperium, learn to speak Gothic for Empra's sake.

You don't need to speak fluent Gothic to enforce the law. I'm literally imagining SW police writing up tickets on Astartes violators after a siege-turned-atrocity while the angry offenders scream in their faces and are unable to understand the law babble.

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>>51703026
You made those rules just to be able to ally Eldar cheese to your blackshields didn't you.

>>51703107
I dont even own blackshields or eldar, I just thought it would be neat if blackshields had a lost primarch as a character

>>51703121

>I just thought it would be neat if blackshields had a lost primarch as a character

why
the whole point of blackshields is mindbroken astartes doing on personal journeys to find themselves in war

So... is this the place for titanicus questions? If so what are everyone's thoughts on how the game is turning out with all the info that's come out about it.

>>51703154

I for one look forward to it. The shame is that we likely won't see it this year.

>>51703141
Or roaming warbands of astartes pillaging settlements

Or playing pirates, or warlords.

There are a lot of scenarios covered under the blackshield blanket. No reason that a lost primarch leading remnants of his legion couldn't be one of them

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>>51703099
>You don't need to speak fluent Gothic to enforce the law.
So you'll bring planets to their knees and forcefully annex them to the Imperium...while you still refuse to integrate and speak Gothic.
It's hypocrisy on top of hypocrisy with you.
>I'm literally imagining SW police writing up tickets on Astartes violators after a siege-turned-atrocity
Kek, silly anon. Corpses don't have human rights.
The same as non-compliants :^)

>>51703078
I wasn't expecting anyone else in here to get the reference.

Favorite beer to drink when playing games?

>>51703034
Does someone have that Deredeo police Dreddnought?
You know, I'd tolerate more the Emperor's Policemen than the Executioners.
If they only didn't break the LAAAAAAAAAWWW...

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>>51703181
>So you'll bring planets to their knees and forcefully annex them to the Imperium...while you still refuse to integrate and speak Gothic.

Yes

>Kek, silly anon. Corpses don't have human rights.

They have the same rights as clothing

>>51701373
Volcano cannon.

>>51701517
Iron Warriors and Death Guard are the best for pure footslogging because they can take a strong enough firebase to force the enemy to come to you, and they have shooty terminators that can protect that firebase from deep striking units.

Mechanicum is worth a look if you aren't wedded to legions, Cybernetica or Taghmata.

Alpha Legion and Raven Guard can potentially do it thanks to Infiltrate but it's trickier. Another alternative is Emperor's Children with the Maru Skara rite of war, which gives a chunk of your army Outflank.

>>51703227
>seeker squads become compulsory troops

Hot Shot

>>51702008
Daemons. Eventually.

FW's also said something about "Agents of the Warmaster" coming in the future.

>>51703262
Still less rights than animal pelts apprearently :^)

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>>51703289
What did you say?

>>51703313
X^[

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>>51703322
>FW's face when wondering what exo- and endothermic means.

>>51703345
wait what? what did they fuck up?

>>51703352
Leman Russ' armour of chilly death?
It's the work of exothermic generators of course.
Also, the heat magically goes away, and Russ is totally not at 273°C inside his pants.
It's exothermal, you see.

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With the Warrior's Mettle, is there any point in putting apothecaries into Slayer squads? Maybe bolter squads? Just throw them away?

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>>51703390
it expels the heat AWAY anon, leaving a nice cool clean shave

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>>51703202
>Favorite beer to drink when playing games?
Honestly, I was the weird aberration who refused to use bad beers for anything. The last time I threw a party in college we were playing beer pong in the hallway. Naked. With Stone IPAs. I peaked in college in some respects.

Generally, though, I preferred Becks. This being back when they made it in Bremen and not St. Louis.

>>51703262
>They have the same rights as clothing
Domestic clothing or alien clothing?

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>>51703423
>Leman's kek, seen in exothermic.

So if GW does another box this year, what's everyone's expectations for it? The armor type, the legions involved, etc...

>>51703473
>Betrayal at Knight Heads

>>51703402
You can still rapid fire and charge if there's an apothecary. Just don't shoot something rapid fire with the apothecary.

I think it's a subtle hint by FW that when your yiffs get hurt you should take them to the vet, not send a docter in alongside them.

>>51701713
>>51701759
I seem to recall someone making a fan codex of the xenos of the the crusade. It had the laer, the megarachnid and so on.

I can't find it thought. Oh well, there is something:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Xenos_in_30k#Tyranids_in_30k_.28Megarachnids_Proxy.29

>>51703427
I love me some Hefe, by Widmer.
I can drink that like a fish with water, or my dad and IPA's, or my ex and semen

>>51703473
plastic mkIV assault marine or plastic breachers would be cool

>>51703473
To coincide with Angelus, I can see DA and Nightlords force. Or it's Fist vs IWs

Maybe Mkiis or Mk V

>>51703298
What agents of the Warmaster do people want? Davinite Priests for sure, maybe daemon assassins like Spear.

>>51703473
Imagine a box filled to the brim with plastic MK VI
And plastic bullock pattern jetbikes

>>51703473

Mk II armour.

And 30k era Indominus.

That's the logical way to go.

>>51703536
That is true. But a close combat oriented squad, unless they got an assault transport, doesn't really have use for such things. Shame. At that point I might as well use them as Priests and free up an Elite slot.

>>51703473
>Wishlists
MkV assault marines (With just a fuck ton of differently made legs, arms, shoulders etc. to play up the 'cobbled armor' but they all have the same torsos and heads. I really just want cheap MkV heads, and for GW to make good running legs)
MkII tacticals
MkIII Breacher upgrades

Basic bitch Predator
Jetbikes
Quad mortars
Leviathans

Though we are probably going to get something shitty like a Destroyer squad.

>>51703575
>implying it won't be Siege of Terra
>40k tactical sprue, 40k terminator sprue, some 40k cultist sprues, a 40k daemon sprue and a 40k CSM sprue
>2 plastic character sprues for a traitor and loyalist primarch
>no other way to get them
>enjoy paying £125 for 2 shitty plastic primarchs

>>51703614
They won't do destroyer squad. It's just different power armour weapon load out.

It's gonna be 3 tacticals + something.

>>51701930
Raven Guard can pull the same trick, and have more deployment options for infantry (Decap Strike allows for pods without locking the whole army in them) and generally has a pretty heavy infantry focus.

in either case, you will find yourself relying heavily on dreads and rapiers in your elites slots to fulfill roles normally left to tanks. Land speeders of both types can also help.

>>51703627
>it's Dorn and Alpharius

>>51703632
Well so far it has been

>3x tacs
>Terminators
>2x 'special characters'
>"Special units' Dread or SOS/Cus

The Destroyers would probably replace the Terminators, because all three marks are now in plastic.

>>51703550
But anon, fish don't drink water, they merely absorb it through their skin.
Like my ex and semen :^)

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>>51703564
that would solve so many damn problems for making RG assault forces. and I could finally start work on a hawks force to run some armor without getting kicked in the balls by flesh over steel.

>>51703627
>>implying it won't be Siege of Terra
He did say this year, not this decade.

>>51703585
If they're close combat oriented you really want them in an assault vehicle anyway. And since the most budget choice only has a transport capacity of 10 you're not going to be able to squeeze in that apothecary anyway.

Think about this : Land Raider squadron of 2 phobos 1 proteus with explorator augury web. Grey slayers in the phobos, plasmagun squad or something that can bust tanks in the proteus. All this can Scout fowards 12'' before turn one thanks to the explorator thingy. Not allowed to charge turn one, but normally wouldn't be able to anyway and can also opt not to Scout against an army that comes to you. And already being inside the opponent's deployement zone when the Land Raiders go boom means you're already where you want to be

>I really should not be helping yiffs with basic tricks and tactics ...

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>>51702689
>implying the reaver can even hope to compare to the warpupper

>>51703648
I would expect bikes over destroyers.

>>51703669
>min 700 points of transports
Like, i know av14 wall is a thing, but at what points level is that economical?

>>51703681
>Warpupper cannot into melee
Therefore the Reaver is superior.

>>51702689
>>51703681
Both of you are ugly, now get out of here before your waists snap off again

>>51703627
I Had a thought recently that, when the Siege of Terra begins, they might release a box with the Emperor, a new Horus, and maybe Sanguinius, instead of doing what they did with the previous boxes, making an entire boxed game out of that one event instead of the larger Siege.

>>51703692
not >>51703669
but my guess is 3000, the standard level for 30k

>>51703689
I was expecting more armor after B@C's Dread, but we got Sisters and Custodes and that took everyone by surprise.
Lets face it, GW has had two really well received boxes. It's time for them to fuck up.

>>51703669
>3 land raiders
>budget choice

I'll just stick the unit into the Storm Eagle I have.

>>51703550

IPAs are fucking disgusting. Hopfags should go kill themselves. Hoppiness arose from necessity, not for taste. This is why traditionally, other more pleasing aromas were used to mask the hops. The oldest forms of alcohol like mead was sweet, not hoppy. And anyone who says it's an acquired taste is stupid. That just means you're dumb enough to ingest foulness until you grow to like it. You don't need to "acquire" a taste for things that actually taste good, they're delicious on the first try.

>>51703731
Do you feel the same way about coffee?

>>51703719
Nah, that'll be the Vengeful Spirit game, where you get to play for the future of the Imperium.

>>51703731
Did I say I agreed with him?
Did I say I like IPA's?
Did I not say my favorite drink was not literally named after its type, a Yeasty Hefeweizen?

Take your rage and go paint a WE army. We need more around here.

Do you guys think putting a Warhound Titan painted in legion colors in a War Hounds pre-heresy army is too tongue in cheek?

The few titan legion schemes I like are either 40k only, or have no relation to WE/War Hounds in 30k.

>>51703723
>3000, the standard level for 30k
Near me, we generally play at 2k, or sometimes 2.5k. 3k is almost apocalypse-tier, do you really want to see six knights, fifteen robots, a hundred berserkers or a full IW artllery line?

>>51703737

People who acquire a taste for coffee originally drank it for the caffeine, not for its taste, unless you just have a strange taste for coffee to begin with and enjoyed it on your first sip. Typically, the latter don't drink it black.

>>51703747
>Did I
>Did I
>Did I

Did I say you did? Deal with it, I'll post about whatever the fuck I want faggot.

Can someone tell me why Glaives and Fellblades are ont tanks? I'm trying to build an Ironwing list and i'm fuckiing hamstrung by the fact that my glaive needs a little tank buddy to be in my army...

>>51703767
Do it. Post pictures.

>>51703776
>do you really want to see six knights, fifteen robots, a hundred berserkers or a full IW artllery line?
Yes

>>51703780
If you are going to rant about IPA's, go do it in /b/.
Unless IPA drinkers are as bad as Bitter boys in your meta, it doesn't belong in this thread.
What do you drink when you play?

>>51703729
The sad thing is that Land raiders are still the 'cheapest' assault vehicle marines have. Spartans are more points, decently equipped stormeagle also costs more ... Where is that assault ramp pattern Rhino

>>51703848
>Spartans are more points

Stock spartan is less than half the cost of 2 phobos and a proteus. And can transport one big unit instead of 2-3 small ones.

>decently equipped stormeagle also costs more

Mine is like 30pts. more than a stock Proteus.

Are destroyers viable? I like the chemical warfare aspect being a DG fag and all but the Reaping allows for rad nades anyway and destroyers are expensive as shit.

>>51703928
>Are destroyers viable?

No.

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Reworking the list I ran today after a mediocre performance. It needs something but I'm just running in circles. Here's the list so far;

2500 pts Space Wolves (2225 right now)
"the Pale Hunters"

HQ: 460

Hvarl Red-Blade 210

Priest SotD 105 140
Art Armr 10
Grt Frst Bld 25

Vigilator 85 110
Grt Frst Bld 25

Elites: 845

Mortis Dread 125 155
2 Twn Lascan 30

Mortis Dread 125 155
2 Twn Lascan 30

9 Deathsworn 270 310
Grt Frst Bld 10
Rad Grnd 30

Phobos Land Raider 225

Troops: 360

10 Grey Slayers 125 145
10 Bltrs 20

Rhino 35

10 Grey Slayers 125 145
10 Bltrs 20

Rhino 35

Hvy Supprt: 560

2 Leviathans 540
1 Strm Cnnn each 20
Phsphx dschrgr 30

Hvarl needs something to do, but I'm not sure what. I can make the sworn a retinue to free up an elites slot if need be. Thoughts? Advice?

Has FW/BL/GW ever gone into how the SW legion was able to create stable marines from Terran stock when GW has been pretty blunt in saying that their gene seed is not compatible with humans that aren't from Fenris? From what I can tell, it's the reason the Wolf Brothers chapter failed.

>>51703780
>unless you just have a strange taste for coffee to begin with and enjoyed it on your first sip. Typically, the latter don't drink it black.
Oddly, I did not enjoy coffee until I drank it black.

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Are the arms on the Forgeworld Contemptor compatible with the body of the Games Workshop Contemptor?

>>51703982
That boils down to the time in the Astartes creation process the Canix helix is added to the marine.
With the Terran Marines, it was added once they were already used to the other super-human organs implanted into their bodies.
With the Wolf Brothers it was different as the aspirants bodies had not yet fully adjusted to being space marines, and the Canix Helix caused alllll sorts of hell on them.

>>51703951
What does the Vigilator do exactly? And why bolters on the Grey Slayers?

That frees up 150 points right there.

Seriously though, you have like no dudes for a 2500 point force. Maybe cut down on Dreads.

>>51704044
I thought they didn't have the Canis Helix until after they'd found Russ.

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>>51703767
It'd not be the first time.
Besides, Sarum's Mechanicum are the Redjack, and theirs is a rustworld.
So either red for blood omens or white for opus machina majesty, you'll do fine :)

>>51704011
I also didn't enjoy coffee until i started blacks. I'm starting to get the appeal of piccolos, but a true latte is too gluggy for me

>>51704063
Thats the point.
The Terran marines could handle having it, and not being Frenrisian, because they had been full marines for a while
The Wolf Brothers had the disadvantage of not being Frenrisian, and not being full marines when the Canix Helix was introduced,

You guys are making me feel guilty about drinking cold and mineral water

>>51704041
No. You will need to hack them.

>>51704090
>drinking cold water

enjoy your early death

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>>51704113
Bullshit.
Hot water is the devil's, and the warmer the worse it tastes.

>>51704113

Why?

>>51703473
>Plastick assault marines
>Plastic breachers
>Plastic jetbikes

Or just a plastic spartan

>>51704099
Could you elaborate a little on what you mean by hack?

>>51704139
>plastic spartan
too big for board game.

Honestly, if there are vehicles, I can see deimos rhinos.

>>51704145
cut, chop, slash, break

The FW arms come with the arms that attach to the shoulder pads of the dread. The calth one has the arm and the shoulder pad connected.

>>51704157
doesnt really have to be a boardgame, they could expand the HH line outside the games. A plastic spartan would be logical in that case.

>>51704080
I see what you're saying now. Do we know what made the SW's Terran marines unique from other early legions or were they fairly generic? I'd figure they'd be different somehow, they're still made from Russ after all.

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>>51704113
What

>>51704178
But all their HH stuff has been released as not stepping on FW's toes by releasing it as a board game.

>>51704198
Like GW gives a flying fuck about stepping on FW's toes

>>51704210
They should.

This has been discussed to death before

Death Guard here, hello fellow stinky traitors

Do my fellow pustules prefer The Reaping or Creeping Death?

>>51704179
The Wolf Brothers issue and Fenris-DNA-only could be due to the introduction of the Canis Helix, it got absorbed in the progenoids and was thus fundamentally changed. Personal theory.

>>51704168
I see. That kind of sucks, I was hoping to give mine Contemptor a Lascannon and now it looks like I'll have to for it a little.

They are the same size overall, yes?

>>51704232
Yes, the size isn't the issue.

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>>51704216
Oh of course they SHOULD. But that doesn't mean they will

Sorry for the unrelated pic, it's 2am and it's making me giggle so damn much.

>>51704219
Creeping Death is for footsloggers, Reaping is for rad grenades.

>>51704052
I got my ass reamed by phosphex medusas today, so i wanted some early game vehicle punishment in the future. You're right about the bolters tho. I'm just using BoP so I figured I'd throw them on. I can live without them.

If I dropped a leviathan how about another 10 slayers in a rhino and a termie command squad with Phobos for the big man. Scout can be given to termies? I don't remember. They are infantry.

>>51704232
Yeah. There are multiple ways to the approach though. I can't explain it properly without several pics, but magnetising the arms, whether FW or GW, is easy as fuck.

>>51704241
... Is that some kind of "watch out, whores" roadsign ?

I think it was Italy that legit had such a type of roadsign at some point ...

>>51701585
>>Titanicus will save us!
>>posts knights

i want the admech to leave

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Did this guy have clipped ears like some fighting dogs?

>>51704232
Basically, the FW weapons don't come with the whole shoulder pad, only the narrow rectangle along the bottom of the shoulder pad.

>>51704400
nah man he is just a mutilated murderhobo

>>51703780
>>anon 1 says he likes cake and mentions pastries
>>you come along and get pissy because he mentioned pastries and pastries are the worst and awful and and and
>>you then expect people not to call you a fucking chode

You are a fucking chode

Also>>51703838
Theakston's Old Peculier, because I've got to have something to enjoy whilst I get utterly trashed

I play Orks

why do blood angels get no love at all from forgeworld. no dread, no characters, no transfers... sweet fuck all while they have one of the most popular primarchs and so much potential for beautiful models like a body guard or their assault squads.

why no love FW?

>>51704604
Wait for Angelus.

>>51704604
Patience brother, they are clearly spending the longest time sculpting our beautiful forms

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>>51701265
I've been fucking dying over the last week but I'm just about well enough to do some photos.

What kinda stuff do people want?

People seemed to really want the actual Ordo-Sinister story (I've got an actual camera so it wont be pic related quality)

>>51704643
If I wasn't too tired right now I'd ask you to post proper pics of every single page so I could make an Inferno PDF

But gotta sleep or suffer the dire consequences.

>>51704643
>People seemed to really want the actual Ordo-Sinister story
Please do, photanon.

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Goodnight, Sweet Prince

Where's my god damn dreadnought pod

>>51704643
Talons of Emperor fluff and prospero numbers (1k sons and wolves losses) please.

>>51704643

Ordo Sinister please.

You might well be the new Scanon. Let me be the first to praise you.

>>51701879
What helmet is this? Regular MkII or the special helmet from the Word Bearers Ashen Circle?

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>>51704676
Coming right up

>>51704693
Tony seemed quite distraught over the Dreadnought droppod, as if the Mold had broke or something.

>>51704789
honestly, if they make a new version it will probably be much better than the old one, if the mastodon and warlord are anything to go by. the new method they're using to cut molds is working quite well for them.

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>>51704789
Reg MK2. The ashen circle one is kinda pointed in the visor and has reinforcing around it.

Sorry for Fingers and Darkness of image.

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>>51704806

>>51704643
Any mentions of Rangdan Xenocides in SW fluff section please?

>>51704823

I second this. I want to know about the Rangda. And the Space Wolf Fluff as well. Does it have mentions of them as Executioners?

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>>51704821

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>>51704777

>>51704789
>>51704806
>>51704821
>>51704851

All hail NuScanon. Praise be his.

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>>51704835
>>51704823
I'll check again later but I couldn't find anything. It was under the blanket "Silent History" - basically Space Wolves have their minds "washed" after many campaigns so they remember it as legendary saga so it becames difficult to tell fact from fiction.

Not 100% sure if there was anything on executioners - every other legion found them unnerving though.

"Image contains an embedded file"
wut

>>51703643
tssss slowly show photos of Rangdan Xenocides

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>>51704882

Please spoonfeed me (a little bit)

I want to start Emperor's Children. I've only played 40k before. What do? By which I mean, which things should I read and in what order? I read the stuff listed in the tactica & tips pastebin but it wasn't that helpful

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>>51704896
LEFT
HAND
OF
BLACKED

>>51704896
>dat image
New warlord head

>>51704919

That's the one FW made but never sold.

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>>51704919
It looks like the Barbute style helmet you can get at GW or at events.

I'll post some images I already have, you guys tell me what you want (I'll do Space Wolf history next) but it will be a while because I need to have a nap (fuckin' dying)

>>51704956

Anything you do is good, NuScanon. You are the hero we didn't deserve.

>>51704400
They got clipped by swords or teeth.

>>51704510
Kek.

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>>51704956

>>51701879
headcanon: Olympia is Space Canada

>Iron Withoot
>Iron Within

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>>51704976

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>>51704999

>>51702474
aren't they the jamming kind, like they were in RT/2E?

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>>51705018

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>>51705041

>>51705035
Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFRbZJXjWIA

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>>51705061

>>51705061
>cruciform insignia which has been used to designate elite close-quarters units of the Imperium's military since the time of the Unification Wars on Ancient Terra

Crux-Terminaturs haters BTFO.

>>51703731
TRIGGERED
bit still, you are 100 percent correct.
IPAs are hipster shit.

>>51703731
But it's an acquired taste. The bitterness is a refreshing change from the sweetness of high yeast Belgian specialty beers.

>>51704643
>>51704671
I support your assessment, fellow brother.

A PDF would be quite appreciated by the community!

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>>51704643
Is there anything more about the Warden Custodes? Any other alternative color schemes for Custodes?

>>51704882
>It was under the blanket "Silent History" - basically Space Wolves have their minds "washed" after many campaigns so they remember it as legendary saga so it becames difficult to tell fact from fiction.
What the fuck

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Is pic related plus a Leviathan dreadnought in a drop pod too small of an army at 2500?

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>>51705832
No additional colour schemes I could find.

>>51705846
Not word for word but that was the gist of it.
As i'm out of the shower and not as dead I will be posting again soon

>>51705858
Which RoW?

Also finish painting your models.

>>51705878
Alright cool, thank you for sharing.

>>51705858
No Angron? Angron is such a fun chap to have.

>>51705883
No RoW. Wanted to try building a list with what I have (half) painted without sniper vets in rhinos

>>51704851
Sanguinious D pimp slap confirmed

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So, Vadlor's warlord trait says that he can give any unit a teleporter for free. Does this mean that he can give it to every unit in the list, or just to one particular unit? The wording seems kinda ambigious to me, although it might have something to do with the fact that english is not my native language.

How to best build SoH out of some B@C boxes and a couple auxiliary buys? I was thinking of getting some Land Raiders and going full Heavy Armor, but I don't know if that works with their legion buffs.

>>51705903
I understand wanting to use all your collection and I commend you for it.
But it's not exactly how I would have built a list.

The Stormlord could be redundant in terms of anti-infantry firepower in an army that's melee-oriented and wouldn't be footslogging, and then when your troops disembark from it, how well-placed are they going to be to deal with armour?

>>51705968
I think that based on the wording it is every unit.

>>51706042
>and a couple auxiliary buys?
Do you mean you've bought allied militia, or a handful of upgrade kits for the BaC models?

Land Raiders + PotL for SoH works well.
Give your vets the sniper option and you can outflank with any Land Raider, disembark, and deal good damage, whether you charge or not.

You might not be taking full advantage of the "Merciless Fighters" rule, but situationally you might get its advantage, especially if your preceding "sniper" fire whittled down the enemy, and they're all striking at initiative 1.

Sons of Horus is a great special rule in my view. They're like a more aggressive, less specialised combination of IF, NL, WE and UM.
The only real downside is that allies are slightly less useful.

>>51704624
there better be an average of 1.5 nipples per chext

>>51704882
>>51704896
>Giant, secret, bipedal constructions of psychic horror, mutation, and soul-slavery designed to destroy the cosmic horrors underpinning the universe, which even the legions of super-soldiers who conquered the galaxy are denied knowledge of, lest they go mad from the revelation.

I like this.

Can I put a character in a unit of Rapier weapons battery?

>>51706350
Yes. They're a unit not formed by vehicles or MCs, so it's ok to join.

Tip: Siege Breaker.

>>51706363

More thinking of Maloghurst in a unit of grav cannons. but It wouldn't hurt with more Quad launchers (Using an achilles).